Grey Man : An Interview with an Modern American Human Being about UFO Tech Mythology and the Cult of the Alien Gods

Blake4d Interviews Local Arizona UFO expert Mr. Grey Man

It is funny shaking hands with Grey Man, his actual name being Carson and the rest he perfers stay between us. He is not that remarkable of an individual upon first glance. Nothing about him is even very note worthy. He is medium height, greyish black hair, he looks like he is in his fifties or sixties ( actually amazingly he is 75). His clothing is non-descript, but he wears a leather jacket with sunglasses that are rather dark. We meet outside of a resturaunt coffee shop in the Tempe AZ area, near Arizona State University and begin talking. Grey Man and I actually met a number of years back when the famous UFO sightings called the Phoenix Lights were over Arizona and other places. Way back in 1997. With the 15th anniversary upon us, I decided to see if I could get Grey Man to speak with me for an Interview, he accepted. Being he is an expert or interested party on many subjects, we decided to meet up before the March 13 date.

So now here were talk about the Halo Generation, Government coverups, Vampire Kids, Human Chimeras, and of course the UFO phenomenon. As I introduce you in my interview to the Arizona native known as Grey Man.


Blake4d : Why do people call you Grey Man?

GM : I suppose it is because of my experiences with extraterrestrials or Greys, but that is not really a fair description of who I am. But around Arizona and other parts I am know as the resident Alien expert, at least in some circles. But it is only some of my expertise, my real talents lie elsewhere.

Blake4d : Where would that be?

GM : If forced to give it a general definition, I believe I am a Watcher or a Monitor. Mostly for the younger generation of people I meet is the reason I am here, not to be some sort of cult leader but to help them figure out who they are. The poor kids today are either lost or outcasts, but they are treated like less than human in my opinion. At worst as pariahs, or vampires.

Blake4d : How do you mean exactly?

GM : In Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler, he refers to the Jewish people with the very harsh and bigoted statement that they are "...the people's vampire." I use this statement to give a contrast and comparison. When I refer to the younger generation as Vampire Kids in this article, I mean the post 2012 Generation Next or what I also call the Halo Generation. The younger generation that is graduating high school in 2012 is being seen this way by modern science. It has to do with fertility rates in human beings, the idea that CO2 emissions is caused by overpopulation, the myth of overpopulation growth on Earth, and possibly that Generation Next is a very special group of young people. So special in fact, that many modern adults in the scientific and religious communities may actually see them as a threat.

Blake4d : What do you see them as?

GM : Perhaps because there is so much distrust of them, they may actually be the meek that shall inherit the Earth. That is assuming there is any Earth left for them to inherit. At any rate, they are seen as salvation, threat, and thought criminals all in one generation. I do not feel for them, it is a hard burden those little technopagans have ahead of them.

Blake4d : Do you feel that this will get worse now that it is the year 2012?

GM : Unfortunately yes, yes it will indeed. Everyone has heard the year 2012 rumors. Are there really going to be any changes? They speculate on earth changes and how society may breakdown in conjunction with these, leading to what many think will be the end of days, or the end times. So do we really know how the world is going to end and things are going to change based on Mayan ancient civilizations as well as other prophecies? Even though I do love science and learning about the changes that are to come, however, what are the exact prophecies and what do scientists have to say about 2012? This is where some of the problems start.There are some twisted viewpoints that are being all thrown together, some valid and some absolutely not. Also take in the fact that some civilizations see 2012 as a global cleansing. These cultures expect and believe they are seeing casualties based on murders, suicides, and accidents that have climbed. But much of our awareness of this makes it seem larger than perhaps it really is.

Blake4d : Is it because of an awakening in the year 2012?

GM : I am not sure how much of the world is even awake sometimes. No I see it as primarily a simple things. All this is tied in to what I believe is a major problem, a dysfunctional mindset that is held by the Western world particularly. The older world sees the new world population as a threat, that the 2012 youth are not just larger in numbers, but they are consuming the resources at an ever alarming rate. Couple this with the fact that many believe this generation is a kind of new root race being born with special awareness and insights, even psionic and psychic abilities...you end up with bigotry and bias toward them.

Blake4d : So what are your thoughts about the ending of the Mayan calendar?

GM : The Mayan civilization was far from simply an older colonization of Stone Age peoples. The counting of time and making it an artform was quite an accomplishment for the Stone Age Mayan civilization.Their civilization is noted one of the only ones with a fully developed written language and possibly before even the Jews on the other side of the world. The Mayan art and architecture, sophisticated mathematical and astronomical systems still are defying some scientific explanations. Of all of these accomplishments, the Maya were astronomers of great skill and had mapped out the phases of celestial objects. Much discipline and work was dedicated to this for generations, so they must have seen it as important for future generations. The big question to many scholars is why did they end it at the point that they did?

Blake4d : Yes, why did they do that?

GM : They did this in wait for a generation that would live to see the calendar that they made. Such a strangely large task, if they did not believe they would come to be part of it at the time we are in. So they must have left it for the generation they prophetically saw. The generation of the Galactic Butterfly, the Halo Generation of 2012.

Blake4d : The entire calendar was in anticipation of this generation?

GM : Well, not in such plain terms. The Mayan's appear to be the only per-telescopic civilization to show clearly that they had working knowledge of the solar system and the astronomy to chart the heavens. Over 10,000 individual texts have been so far recovered as such evidence, those that have been deciphered have to do with astronomy and the Mayan calendar for the most part. The Mayan concept of time as art is shown through a Long Count calendar that can only be distinguished within 18980 days and remains equivalent to 52 solar years, which is the cycle repeats once each lifetime for most of us on Earth. According to the Mayan Long Count calendar the end of the cycle is in 2012 and the beginning of the new cycle will occur on December 21, 2012 and is discussed to not necessarily mark the end of the world, but a new beginning or a time of re-birth and a New Age. In fact, it could be a simple as the fact that paper was not a common technology anywhere in the world the Mayans lived in. It would not be for the later Azteca either.

Blake4d : Do you believe the Winter Solstice of 2012 is the correct date?

GM : Present day Mayans have always predicted December 23, 2012 to be the date of the global changes at the end of the calendar. Although it may fall on the date and day one after the zero date of the 22nd. Scientists and astronomers have looked for signs of what new beginning that are predicted or prophesied that are going to occur. However, Indian defense research scientists and engineers say that they cannot speak until 2012 of what is going to happen. It is also interesting to note that the Hindu calendar and the Mayan calendar both see this date as important. Even the bible is said to have some vague predictions that align to the 2012 timeline, but these are more questionable. The Mayan calendar also predicted geological events such as the July 26, 1992 time shift. The Mayan, Tibetan, African, Vedic, and Hebrew calendars are all in correspondence with the 2012 prediction. These are just some of the predictions made and discovered for our future pinpointing 2012 as the end date.

Blake4d : So what does that tell you?

GM : It tells me that our predecessors have lived and learned and made discoveries that reflect on our world even now. Documentations that we have deciphered from previous eras may be correct, they may have been mistranslated, they may be misinterpreted, or they maybe just plain false. Yet these ancient texts were written and documented for a reason. Maybe to warn us about what happened to their civilizations or maybe to warn us of our civilization downfalls that were seen many centuries ago. No one can absolutely say what is right and what is wrong because were not around then. Since we never lived in that time period and never were able to view first hand what was discovered, at best we can research and speculate. So we have to trust the brains and wisdom of cultures like the Mayans, when we are left to deciphering the information found or left behind by them. Besides there is a lot of evidence pointing to the fact that we were probably not the first inhabitants on this third rock from the Sun.


Blake4d : So let us take this slowly, what do you think are important issues for the world to consider currently?

GM : I think there are really a lot of things that are being over emphasized. Like over population. I think that over population is being pushed on us by the media and world, when actually the exact opposite is happening. I think lately of something that Aldos Huxley predicted, as eerie as it may seem, but I really like this quote. If anything seems like what is going on now in words, " There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution."

Blake4d : That is really deep...

GM : I also think of what that little brat Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, wrote as a foreword to Fleur Cowles 1986 book 'If I Were an Animal', "In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation.” Personally I am not sure I like the way that Prince Philip thinks. The little bastard should keep such ideas to himself.

Blake4d : That might be a good idea....

GM : My guess is that the biggest problem really is over the efficient usage of Earth’s resources. So what do the brightest minds and scientific folk in the world suggest we do?

Blake4d : I don't really know...but that sound correct.

GM : Me neither, but now the most startling revolution in the 20th century was one of health and how we are handling it worldwide. The world population is living longer and with less quality with each successive generation. It is a strange way we are going about dealing with over population, if this is true.The political economist Nicholas Eberstadt sums it up nicely when he stated that it is not that people "reproduce like bunnies" rather that they "no longer die like flies." In essence we are being told to be more like bunnies....

Blake4d : So you really believe that is the answer to over population?

GM : Maybe, but it is just like all the brilliant mathematicians plotting December 21, 2012 as the date known as - The Singularity. The Singularity is a predicted future even that is believed to precede immense technological progress in an unprecedented brief time. Futurists have also given their varying predictions as to the extent of this progress, the speed at which it occurs, the reasons for its velocity and the exact cause or the nature of the event itself. This is the date that everything we know will change drastically and was based on the hallucinogenic ideas of Terrence McKenna and similar pseudo prophetic hippies. Yet none of these have any bearing, if they are incorrect.

Blake4d : Much like the debate over global warming and CO2 emissions?

GM : Yes indeed, not so long ago the United Kingdom decided to start enforcing a Carbon Card that tracks the carbon footprint of individuals or businesses throughout Brittania. Their government absolutely believes that implementing individual carbon allowances for every person will be the most effective way of cutting greenhouse gas emissions.” An article by Ruth Lea, an economist from Arbuthnot Banking Group, quickly came out as saying: "This is all about control of the individual and you begin to wonder whether this is what the green agenda has always been about. It's Orwellian."

Blake4d : It certainly kind of sounds like it. Don't you think so?

GM : Well no, not exactly, a similar report in the United Kingdom stated clearly that, “No human is genuinely carbon neutral. Therefore, everyone is part of the problem, so everyone must be part of the solution in some way. Each birth results not only in the emission attributable to that person in his or her lifetime, but also the emissions of all his or her descendents.” Now that sounds Orwellian to me. Sooner or later this is going to be a reality, it is not a maybe but a fact of resources that are available having to be allocated. Amongst the masses, there will be distress and arguement over who deserves the resources. People like the Bilderberg group and the Melinda Gates Foundation have been discussing this for many years now, each with their own opinions and agendas.

Blake4d : So where do you think that is leading?

GM : I'll tell ya exactly where it is heading. I was reading this book of idiocy by one Barbara Max Hubbard ( no relations to Scientology and L.Ron ) in her book Manual for Co-Creators of the Quantum Leap. First she states: "Humanity will not be able to make the transition from Earth-only to universal life until the chaff has been separated from the wheat. The great reaper must reap before we can take the quantum leap to the next phase of evolution. No worldly peace can prevail until the self-centered members of the planetary body either change or die. That is the choice." Later Hubbard states: "We, the elders, have been patiently waiting until the very last moment before the quantum transformation, to take action to cut out this corrupted and corrupting element in the body of humanity. It is like watching a cancer grow; something must be done before the whole body is destroyed . . . the self-centered members must be destroyed. There is no alternative. Only the God-centered can evolve."

Blake4d : Barbara Hubbard, isn't she a ranking member of the World Commission on Global Consciousness and Spirituality and in the Club of Budapest International Foundation?

GM : Yes and she is a creative member of the Club of Rome. She is very infleuncial on the councils on world population measures also. Pseudo scientist that she maybe. Well her final solution appears slightly later in the book, but is clear as day. "One-fourth of humanity must be eliminated from the social body. . . We are in charge of God's selection process for planet Earth. He selects, we destroy. We are the riders of the pale horse, Death." She is in effect suggesting that the planetary population should desire to reduce its numbers down to somewhere between six hundred million to two billion and some change.

Blake4d : What methods would be used to do such a thing?

GM : It is already being done, fertility rates in Asia fell from 2.4 to 1.5 in 30 years, in Latin America it fell from 2.75 to 1.70 from 1960 to 1990 while in Europe the rate is somewhere at 0.15 which is close to nothing. it is not that the over population is the problem, it is the cycle every 27 or so years of low fertiility that drops the numbers back down again. Except the next couple generations worldwide are not showing a returning upswing. Women are concieving less frequently, and probably less the 20 percent of the men globally have viable healthy sperm counts for fertilization. Birth rates will be dropping greatly by 2023, assuming we all awake up on the 21st in 2012.

Blake4d : Are those statistics accurate?

GM : Don't get me wrong. There are regions in the world such as India and China there overpopulation IS a problem. But they are balanced by countries where underpopulation is the immediate concern. The biggest argument in favor of the idea that overpopulation is a myth is that plenty of nations are actually in danger of remaining without enough youth to support the elders. This actually brings a different kind of problem: in those countries, soon enough there won’t be enough working force to support those who are retired. This will inevitably lead to genetic population control.

Blake4d : What exactly do you mean by genetic population control?

GM : For many years science has added human genes to bacteria and farm animals, even plants and growth hormones. I recently read studies about it, In Minnesota, pigs are being born with human blood in their veins; and it's not just pig blood cells, some of the cells themselves have been merged, creating hybrids. In a Nevada experimental lab, there made sheep whose livers and hearts were basically human. In California, mice cages with miniature human brain cells firing inside their skulls, they apparently have been able to create mice whose brains are nearly one hundred per cent human. Genetics has figured out how to create any number of hybrid creature that are part human and partily animals. This is a line that science is blurring right now, with the intentions of using it for population control. These human hybrids are called human chimeras.

Blake4d : Is that really true?

GM : The Chinese government created the first human-animal chimeras successfully at the Shanghai Second Medical University in late 2003. The embryos were allowed to develop for several days, then were destroyed to harvest the stem cells. The chieras were a successful fusion of human cells and rabbit eggs, it is amazing. Researchers at the University of Wisconsin have been trying to do the same with a human and chimpanzee hybrid, they playful call a humanzee. At least in their scientific fantasies.
There are human hybrids on the drawing board in all the major countries. The process is as simple as, "...transferring nuclei containing DNA from human cells to animal eggs that have had nearly all their genetic information removed. The resulting embryos are therefore mostly human, with a small animal component." According to COSMOS magazine in as early as 2007. The big question is about the morality of human hybrid chimeras.

Blake4d : You mean how they would fit into society?

GM : No I mean what class, caste, or slave system would they be utiized under. For the most part science sees the most productive applications, if you raise them to perform menial jobs or dangerous jobs. Or be a worker class, a functional humanoid automaton. The chimera would have less rights than a clone. It is an engineered creature. You could mix human with the most docile of animals to insure rebellion or violence was outside of their natural matrix. They would be the perfect eternal servants. Slaves by design, programmed, and functional for lifetimes.

Blake4d : That's really scary to think about...

GM : Even more so, because it is true. LifeSiteNews website has David P. Barash a profession in psychology, who says human hybrids would effectively quash the belief that “...the human species, unlike all others, possesses a spark of the divine and that we therefore stand outside nature.” The article quotes Barash saying that, “Should geneticists and developmental biologists succeed once again in joining human and nonhuman animals in a viable organism,” then “it would be difficult and perhaps impossible for the special pleaders to maintain the fallacy that Homo sapiens is uniquely disconnected from the rest of life.” 2012 Kids maybe victims of this very twisted fate and psychopathic science that also gave them the ability to be seen as planetary livestock. These are a generation that the world seems bent on enslaving or being in fear of. This is just as much of a myth as the myth of the Earth not being able to take care of herself.

Blake4d : So this is why you are so concerned about the younger generations of 2012?

GM : Partly...The point of all this is that we are evolving all kinds of technology very quickly, actually more rapidly than ever expected. And this new generation for better or worse is integrated from day one. They are one with the system, as it were. This is the main thing that the Vampire Kids have going for them, and it is the thing that is most feared about little Generation Next. They have a natural aptitude for technology, almost as it their bloodline carries it, like an antibody. They are born with it, much like some spiritualists think that people are born with arcane knowledge by being old souls. Some of these kids are just awakening to this, and the year 2012 seems to be the galactic portal that is opening everything up for them. It is their day to shine in the sun for sure.

Blake4d : They also are very intune with the Earth and the ecology as it were...

GM : The 2012 Kids do not care if the world ends, so why would they care about using up the last of its resources. It is centered in the belief that if the world is recycling itself, then so will the resources. They have faith that the Mother Earth has been taking care of herself for a very long time before now, so she probably knows what is best for her. We are just passengers. Now looking at the evidence presented here and taking into consideration what I have stated the average person would have to be rather dim-witted if they didn’t feel a bit of anxiety in regards to what the future holds for them, their family, and humanity in general. And if I did not clearly address my main point, I will present it here in the last few words. Do not try to f**k with the natural order of selection. Evolution is violent. Evolution is deadly. Evolution is anything it needs to be. Evolution will not be controlled. The 2012 youth are a special group in the generations to be sure, this I completely believe. Yet it is in the nature of human ignorance to exploit that which is sacred. In our lusts for convenience, immortality, power and control, we are always seeking outside of ourselves what is already with in. There are some technologies that may not be right to exploit. The Generation Nexters could become transformed into something darker and more sinister than ever could have been predicted or feared. They are going to be powerful enough already.

Blake4d : Wow, that is pretty heavy and doomsdayish in a way, right?

GM : The biggest problem with the doomsayers that keep talking about the world being overpopulated does not start in our century. It begins quite some time before then even. The human race performed and survived without these pleasures handed to us on a silver platter and if we keep taking these things for granted, I believe, that we are going to have to survive without them again. Tertullian, a resident of the city of Carthage in the second century AD, when the population of the world was about 190 million, or only three to four percent of what it is today. He was quoted saying this,"What most frequently meets our view (and occasions complaint), is our teeming population: our numbers are burdensome to the world, which can hardly supply us from its natural elements; our wants grow more and more keen, and our complaints more bitter in all mouths, whilst Nature fails in affording us her usual sustenance. In very deed, pestilence, and famine, and wars, and earthquakes have to be regarded as a remedy for nations, as the means of pruning the luxuriance of the human race."

Blake4d : Do you fear the possibility of the end of the world?

GM : Nostradamus is one of the world's most widely known and read prophets. In all of his predictions he predicted Nuclear War or a World War III sometime between 1999 AD and 2012 AD. But most other scholars do not put much stock in it. Michael de Notre Dame was just not right enough times in the percentages for the skeptics. You, I, we all live in a world view that sees everyday as a potential end of the world, an apocalypse is waiting to happen at every corner. So fear of death is not something we need dwell on greatly. Greatly gifted minds are more apt to wonder if they are capable of dying and wondering what finding immortality must be like. You go ahead and put two and two together and see what can happen in the mix that you come up with.


Blake4d : Okay, now let us get to the stuff everyone is probably waiting for. Let's talk about aliens on the Earth and otherwise. First do you believe in aliens?

GM : Well of course, but that is a rather vaue question. The answer is three part if you ask it that way. First yes there are aliens that have visited the Earth, second not all of the things people believe to be alien activity are, and third some of the things people believe to be alien activity are actually created with psychotronic or psionic technologies our military and government possess. The majority of UFO actifvity that people have reported for the last century involves experiments to develop the Stealth Technology that we now have in the Air Force. Many people witnessed this in March of 1997 in Arizona and the Southwestern United States. It was called the Phoenix Lights. A triangular shaped flying V with lights along the bottom, This is an example of our top level Stealth Technology at the time. It has many features that normal aircraft do not...but it is not beinb piloted, fueled, flown, and was not based on an alien design, which is a popular theory. It actually was a design that came out of the experiements that resulted from the original Project Rainbow in 1947.

Blake4d : Project Rainbow, was the Philadephia Experiment correct?

GM : Yes.

Blake4d : So how were aliens related to the Philadelphia Experiment?

GM : That is a tricky question. Okay, first scenario, in 1947 is not the original philadelphia experiement. During the 1930s and 40s were the first real experiments under Project Rainbow. The Navy was working on ideas for how to make ships invisible or cloak them with wave forms et cetra. Well no one really anticipated what the experiement could result in. The original team working on Project Rainbow in the 30s was Dr. John Hutchinson Sr., the Dean of the University of Chicago, Nicola Tesla, and Dr. Kurtenaur, who was an Austrian physicist at U of C. They had been discussing the concepts of things or people being made invisible for several years. In 1934 they were joined by chemist Dr. John Erich Von Neumann, from Budapest Hungary. By 1936 or sooner Albert Einstein had defected from Germany and the Project Rainbow teams were fully ready. In 1936 both the project was expanded and Nicola Tesla was named the Project Rainbow director. Tesla was a friend of FDR and was director of the invisibility project until he resigned in 1942.

Blake4d : That is an impressive list of names...

GM : Yes, but there were many great scientists there who were unknowns, yet equally important. In 1936, Project Rainbow decided to have an initial test of their work. They achieved partial invisibility. In 1940 they had a a full test at the Brooklyn Navy Yard, using Tesla's recommended approach. That first test was on a small ship with a tender ship at either side of it. One ship gave the power and the other supplied the drive for the coils. It worked, just as Tesla had said it would. But in some documents it states, " The important point about the 1940 test is that there was no one on board the test vehicle. It was strictly a dry run with no people. This is important because of what happened later." The Navy wanted several people to keep an eye on Nicola Tesla. Thomas T. Brown and expert in electrogravity effects, Robert Oppenheimer, who Tesla knew and would later work with the development of the atomic bomb, and Dr. David Hilbert, the mathematician for Hilbert Space. An original member of the project came back as well Dr. Von Neumann, a mathematician said to have been Einstein's equal.

Blake4d : Is this the point that you wanted to read something directly from the interviews conducted with military personnel that were there?

GM : Something like that. Again there are documents and interviews about this, forgive quoting this portion from my notebooks for you. " ...After the successful 1940 test, the Navy decided to give the project unlimited funds and to classify the project. On December 5, 1941 I was in San Francisco and the government came and told me that a war with Japan would start within 72 hours and that they needed me to assist them. In January 1942 I ended up at the Institute of Advanced Studies. Tesla was given a ship and a crew for a full sized test. Tesla got a battleship. Tesla and Von Neumann didn't agree on some things. Tesla insisted that they were going to have a very severe problem with personnel. Tesla wanted more time but the NAVY wouldn't agree. Tesla made periodic announcements in the late 1930's and early 1940's about his contact with off planet species. He was in contact with the outside, who agreed that there was a problem with the people. He decided to sabotage the 1942 test in an attempt to stop the project. He de-tuned the equipment so nothing would work. The test failed. Tesla then turned the project over to Von Neumann in March 1942 and left the project."

Blake4d : Wow that is pretty heavy details about Tesla...

GM : Yes it is. Now this information predates anything to do with aliens and the coming events of the Philadelphia Experiment. "Von Neumann went to the Navy and requested time to study the problem to determine what had gone wrong. Von Neumann decided to make changes in some of the equipment. He decided he would need a special ship that was designed from the ground up. The Eldridge was selected. The equipment was built into the ship. They put all the equipment on the ship. October 1942 arrived. They selected 33 volunteers for the crew, who arrived after graduation in December 1942. We still have a picture of the class." In May of 1943 a third generator was installed, but it would not syncronize correctly with the two others. It zapped a crew member. In July 22 they had the test.The ship between radar and optically invisible. They discovered people very disoriented, but went on to announce the drop dead date of 12th of August, 1943. The goal was radar invisibility and not optical invisibility, and in their fury to get this done, the equipment was not setup correctly. All was fine for about one minute. Then a blue flash of light caused the ship to disappear completely. No radio signals, it had vanished. Three hours later it returned, most people have heard the horrible condition the crew was in.

Blake4d : Stuck between steel decks, fading in and out of phase, and many had gone mentally unstable...Right?

GM : Yes, but they did one more test without personell. The ship was gone for 20 mintues and returned missing equipment that was on board. Then was when the Navy stripped the ship and stopped the project. The ship was pulled into hyperspace. Some crew jumped overboard but ended up in a time tunnel which ended at Montauk, Long Island on August 12th, 1983. It was also nighttime. As the documentations explain, " The important thing is that there were two tests that were exactly 40 years apart to the day. It was a 40 year separation in hyperspace. Now, the Earth itself has a biorhythm that peaks on a 20 year cycle on August 12th. It "just happened" to peak and provided the connecting link through the fields of the Earth for the two experiments to lock up in hyperspace."

Blake4d : So that is when the aliens appeared?

GM : Nope. Starting about August 6th, 1943, UFOs appeared over the Eldridge. They hovered around for about six days after. One of them was pulled into the future year 1983 with the ship, and ends up at the Montauk underground facility. During 1947 two UFOs crash in separate incidents at Azted where Von Neumann had been transfered to work on the atomic bomb. It was he that eventually figured out the invisibility problems, as documents state, "He learned that he had to go back and do his homework in metaphysics. The nature of the problem was that the personnel on the ship were not locked to the zerotime reference of the ship. Humans are normally locked to the point of conception as a time reference, not a zero-time reference." He realized that he must have a computer and more knowledge in metaphysical concepts to get a locking time reference on the people and the ship. The computer was build in the year 1950 for the purpose. It was ready to be installed in 1952 and a test was performed in 1953 successfully. At this point Project Rainbow was shut down and over, the Navy changed the canceled project name to project Phoenix. Much information came out of Project Rainbow, some leading to mind control experiements with Project Phoenix and some invisibility research leading to the modern Stealth technology.

Blake4d : So what happened in 1983?

GM : Supposedly all participants in the projects that were active in 1983 were put under the effects of their developed mind control technologies. Tesla had been called in to help the members of the Navy vessel that were stuck in a time-lock pattern. The documentation interviews says of this, :Tesla's theory was that if you took the individual's time-lock and moved it forward in time than you would remove aging. That's what happened. It took between 30 and 60 days for the body to complete the change to the new time reference." Since some of this made it into the movie version of the Philadelphia Experiment, the goverment had an actual lock down moritoroium for two years time.

Blake4d : Is that reality immitating art or what exactly?

GM : I don't know really.


Blake4d : So why do they think that the UFOs showed up in mass at the site where you made the ship invisible with Project Rainbow, had you been broadcasting something like that for years, and they were all waiting all along?

GM : Well the first reason, why any of them had even been busy around the area before the last few days, was because Project Rainbow had created a rift in time and space. To simplify it was an artifically made rift in the timeline. The functionality though, was based on the rift being open, you could go through the rift, but there were many uncertainties about doing such a thin. Like you could meet up with yourself and cease to even exist.

Blake4d : So you cannot safely travel through any rift in time, as far as you know?

GM : Oh no, my goodness no. Most of the alien races first came through the very same rift, but we have no vehicles that are ready for that kind of propulsion yet. That is mainly the fault of our federal government, when the aliens species first confronted America and other countries, most of us blew them off, like they were an imaginary friend come to play at noontime. And that is not the funny part, the upper government is more than willing to fund the necessary projects, but it is the shadowy arenas of the government that have the real anti-alien agenda. Its like an interplanetary Immigration legal situation. Allegedly the shadow government, they have an agenda to enslave us with genetic materials as their cows and sows, an alien invasion or enlightenment would go against all those centuries of work. This is the stuff I was discussing with you earlier, about human chimeras and genetic memories being passed on with a breeding program that is already in place today.

Blake4d : So do you see anything for our future, as a human species existing on Earth?

GM : Yes, we survive. We change as necessary. Yet we have survivied much more difficult eras of human history. It is strange to even think about what to do if there is no society, but I do not see that as very viable if we are an alien food or livestock resource.

Blake4d : The Phoenix Projects end up spreading their resources across many areas, the research in fact is some of the most secretive ever in history. What was the face behind the mask with the Phoenix Projects in America?

GM : There are a lot of things going on within the Earth and the inhabitants of it currently. The Phoenix Projects are funded by an organization called the Orion Group, this is probably a front for one of the alien groups that has been messing around on Earth since the hyperspace portal was ripped open in the time space matrix. If intelligence is to be belived at face value, the Orion Group represent one of two warring interstellar factions called the Orions. They have been at war long millennia with the oldest interstellar race we have encountered on Earth or elsewhere, the Elohim. Most things point to the fact that we know very little that is useful about either group. The Orion Group members take on human looking and passiable forms. Their corporations are involved with experiments that involve the human geonome, the are allegedly altering human ovum and sperm to extend their own lifespans on this planet. They hope to produce viable hybrids with themselves, to raise their genetic mustard and be more successsful going out in the sunlight. They are very pale for the most part and prone to many basic human skin conditions. The other option is getting humans to actually mate with them and create legitimate hybrid children by natural child birthing methods. It is all very hush about such matters. That is why the mind control programs got underway, it is all an attempt to dumb this side of our society down to a few sound bytes a day. Like I say, there are several things that complicate matters to do with aliens on this planet.

Blake4d : Anything else important that you might want to give as an example?

GM : Well things like since 1947 there have been genetic alterations within several European bloodlines that are components of the alchemical 6th root race being able to incarnate. This 6th root race will be telepathic and completely human genetically. The Nazi Aryans thought they would be this incarnation of the new pure bloodline masters. Unfortunately they listened too much to their alien overlord masters, the ones everyone knows as the Greys. Besides the 6th root race has obviously incarnated already and right on time, in beautiful sunny South California. The surf culture, the music, the style of dress, the electronica break beats, the mix of Buddhism and Mexican cultures. The children of California are obviously the new offspring of the master races. The 6th Race is very similar to the humanoids Earth has had interaction with called the Nordics. But precious little is known about them, no great details. Just they maybe a blood relative of some sort intergalactically.

Blake4d : So exactly how many different kinds or aliens or alien species do you know of, I suppose if they reside on this planet is important enought to ask?

GM : Well now that's another complex question. First of all, just because they may come from the same area of space or time, that does not mean that they look or think completely alike. The Orion Group is actually more of a national identity, than a space alien contact group of any kind, they actually are home world to several varieties of aliens that we know of. They are home or the Orions, one called the K-Group that has not shown itself much, but also to several variety of the less evolved reptilian traveling traders. There were a bunch of groups that all showed up when Project Rainbow broke open the rift in the hyperspace, time space continuium. There are groups like the Antares that seem only interested in observation and monitoring of outcomes. The problem is distinguishing the true energies and manifestations, and not getting them confused with the brainwashing technicalities and repression of your real memories. As an agent, this kind of conduct was standard protocol.

Blake4d : Okay, how about the Greys specifically, there are lots of rumors about them and stories, what do you know about them?

GM : Well the Greys have a few factions within their greater socieity. They are the most difficult to get a real read on their intetions. But if the history is correct, they were the most numerous group that came through the original rift that was caused by the Project Rainbow accident. A dozen or more of their ships appeared all at once, allegedly. It was as if they had been waiting for their opportunity. The Greys are technically not at war with any of the other groups, nor do they have any schisms with the other races. But it seems that they are left to themselves, even by the Elohim and the Orions. The Greys are also the one that our government has had to deal with the most, because they apparently will not leave or do not want to leave this planet. For several reasons apparently.

Blake4d : What are those reasons?

GM : Well first of all the Greys home worlds are not in the best shape, no explaination, but perhaps they have polluted and ruined the environment of their world as we are trying to do on Earth. Apparently their original home world was a climate very much like Earth is, they find this appealing. Earth also has many natural resources and metals that are used by the Greys within their technology. Because of these things, especially in America, the government has had a hard time keeping them at bay. There is something to be said that besides defense against impending asteroid collisions, that the Star Wars defense system, may have been built specificially to defened against the Greys. The American government has also worked out some trade agreements with them over time, in trade for their technologies. Some rumors say we gave them access to gold and copper mines, other rumors say we traded a yearly allotment of human livestock, and still others suspect that they have been given permission to experiement upon our citizens, in small numbers at at time. They were told to be discreet in any case it seems. The Greys were at Roswell. They come in greater numbers, so they have been the ones that have crashed their ships and then we stole them. Let see...other than that, oh they come from somewhere outside our space time continum. Although our government has never been sure where that is exactly, a lot of what they tell us seems to be disinformation and not trustable. And unlike the other alien races encoutered, they seem to have no concept of religion or higher power philosophy, not even a universal diety. They acknowledge that there is a divine source in the universe, and the Greys refer to this source or the universe as a Mind. As in we are one with the Mind. Or the Mind is all around us. There are some reptilian groups which are part of the Greys as well, the most notable being the Zeta Reticuli, who are pretty nasty despite there has been no direct conflicts with them.

Blake4d : Is there any truth to the experiences abductees have claimed to have concerning the Greys, that they conduct experimentation or worse eat human organs et cetra...it is probably one of the bigger conspiracy theories out there about any aliens, you know anything about that?

GM : Honestly that is something that few if anyone knows much about for sure. I have heard that the reptilian groups have expressed opinions about the Greys being excessive in their conduct with humanity, but that is all that has ever been proven. They probably are continuing to conduct genetic experiments or abductions even now, but they generally work like a disorganized hive, repeating already tried methods over and over again. It seems that despite their technological advancements, that their actual biological sciences maybe rather primitive at heart.

Blake4d : Wow, that is a lot to absorb. So what other groups are we dealing with or trying to on Earth currently?

GM : Well as I said, the Orion Group and the Orion Confederation are the most likely to cause anything that brings the military into play. They are the closest to humanoid that visits this planet directly. Their genetics are very close to ours as well. They once thought they could crossbreed with humans, but for unknown reasons, the two genetics did not mesh successfully at all. They also need electronic system satellites to create a support field vibration on Earth for them to survive. Currently they have about twelve of these in place. Most who have dealt with the Orions believe they originally planned to try invading and taking over the Earth, but they have their own issues with the Elohim war. Still the Orion are the one group that seems to want nothing from our government, but they have expressed their wishes to set up a starbase either on Earth or the Moon.

Blake4d : How about the Pleiadeans?

GM : They have much more advanced hyperspacial technologies, they do not fold time and space with their mechanicisms. Instead they use velocity instead of a tessaract in space time. They seem to empathize with the human plights on Earth more than any of the other races, but they have very strict codes about non-interference. There are great limits to what you can get them to be invovlved with, or so it has always seemed to be. They are sensitive and concrened about Earth politics, galactic directives, and have their own system of intergalactic parliamentary laws. The Pleiadeans may very well be beneficial to humans, but we also have never asked them nor offered our hand in friendship. Since they will not come to our planet, if they have...none has done so in a very long time.

Blake4d : Would any single group benefit from something like the Greenhouse effect turning the Earth into deserts and harsher sun torn environmentally?

GM : Some of the reptilians would thrive in that kind of environment, maybe the Draconians, maybe even some of the others...there are probably 20 or more groups out there, and we know almost nothing about them. But most groups interested in Earth would love to strip its natural resources. In the long haul, we are still young, but the aliens realize we are too strong as a species just to wipe out. Evolution has given us our own sets of power and advantages, and they cannot just ignore us. That was proven to all of them when we harnessed the power of the Atomic Bomb. That was the day that the universe remembered to look in on the Hundredth Monkeys. God bless Hiroshima.

Blake4d : So with that thought, do you have any predictions for the readers about the future or the Earth? Or anything else?

GM : Yes, with any luck, the Earth will be able to survive. Darwin would be proud and so would anyone who has been watching this planet recently. We are growing, it has just taken some time.

And with that did my interview with Grey Man end. He asked me to include some videos of the Phoenix Lights for their anniversary on March 13, 2012. Thank you to Carson - Grey Man for allowing me to conduct this wonderful interview. Good luck to him as he heads back to his hideaway in Northern Arizona. Have a good year for 2012 everyone reading and everyone dreaming. Blake4d

If you don’t believe in any of the information researched in this article, fine. Just do me a favor and turn on your television or your radio and take a look and open your ears.

Much of the information in this hub is relative to the recent 2012 writing I have on HubPages, for some readers it might be worth taking a look at these alternate Hubs first for some perspectives. I hope the information has been informative and entertaining.

In particular these hubs :

2012 Youth : New Psychedelic Renaissance Apocalypse Culture and Technopaganism

Project Mayhem 2012 : Anonymous Global Cyberwar with the American Government

Monarch 2012 : The New Phoenix Program Mind Control and Psychotronic Weapons

7 Chakra Meditations : Thoughts About the Alchemical Galactic Awakening in 2012

Eden Sky : 2012 According to the Living Prophecy of 13 Moon Natural Time as Art

Each has a great deal of more indepth information that might be useful and relates to this Halo Generation Hub. It is important to note that not all of this is scientific or esoteric fact, but is a culmination of several types of thought. Thus the information is both real and in the realm of possibility, but not meant to provoke paranoia or panic.

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somethgblue 4 years ago from Shelbyville, Tennessee

And I thought my Hubs were long, although that was an incredible interesting interview.

I'm not sure I actually buy into the fact that you were actually talking to someone, it seemed more like you made that part up, as there was no difference in your written personalities. Two sides of the same coin in terms of thought processes, mannerisms, jargon, expression. When he reads from his 'notes' and you use quotation marks it is kind of a give away . . . but that is OK it worked.

Interesting take on the next Halo generation, I'm a little surprised nothing was mentioned about the Polar Shift, so had you really been talking to someone I think that would have been mentioned in some form.

It was good and well researched, I liked it!


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sparkster 4 years ago from United Kingdom

Great hub, I thoroughly enjoyed it though I too would have expected a polar shift to be mentioned at some point.

As for Blue's concern about actually interviewing a real person, Grey Man isn't your alter-ego is it??


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blake4d 4 years ago from Now Rising Out of Phoenix Arizona Earthlings Author

Thanx for the input guys, I have never been questioned so vigorously by someone that actually enjoyed my hub. LMAO. Thank goodness GM isn't here to see this right now. The truth is out there. Keep on Hubbing. Blake4d


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blake4d 4 years ago from Now Rising Out of Phoenix Arizona Earthlings Author

As to the Polar Shift, there was just not enough time for covering everything. It appears another hub is in order. Keep on Hubbing. Remember the Phoenix Lights in March. Blake4d


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blake4d 4 years ago from Now Rising Out of Phoenix Arizona Earthlings Author

Keep on Hubbing. Blake4d


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Vin Chauhun 4 years ago from Durban

i read something about people going nutters after they were part of the Phil Experiment, there was one case , in a bar , where one of the sailors kept on fading in and out, right in front of the patrons

this kind of technology if it was perfected, i believe it may have been perfected, could give us one heck of an advantage, not to mention make any ET's out there very nervous, I mean, there is no greater threat to alien existence than a space-faring Capitalist..hehehe


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blake4d 4 years ago from Now Rising Out of Phoenix Arizona Earthlings Author

You should check out my MONARCH article when you have time, it is very relative to what you are discussing. Not trying to toot my own horn. Thanx very much for taking time to read this one. Yes I suppose you are right, it also would be very good at making people believe in things that are not really there through holographic and psychotronic mind control weapondry. A lot to think about. Keep on Hubbing. Blake4d


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somethgblue 4 years ago from Shelbyville, Tennessee

Where do you think humanity got this technology, I'd say space faring capitalist are everywhere, the threat is allowing us to leave the planet with nukes . . . and hence we have never left the planet.

Unless of course you believe that made for TV docu-drama they made up in the late 60's and early 70's called the space race . . . ?


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blake4d 4 years ago from Now Rising Out of Phoenix Arizona Earthlings Author

Well that could be a novel in and of itself...let alone, I tend to always keep my mind open on such subjects, but I am willing to give you my rundown on the subject SB.

First of all, I am not inclined to be linear about such things as human evolution, technological advancements, and things that are currently outside the realm of explaination due to the limits of spiritual, scientific, or general knowledge at this point. I am a believer that any sufficiently developed understanding will eventually come to understanding or the unexplainable. That said...

It seems that the development of Stealth, Mind control, and Quantum based technologies up to this point in human history, these develpments stemmed from three main sources of influence.

The first and most obvious influence is that as humans have evolved from our first days grunting at the monolith, we have been slaves to the ability to manipulate our ability to evolve in step with our development of new technologies. There is much evidence that we have stunted our own growth evolutionarily by creating five fingered technologies ( ie. we would have evolved a sixth finger had we not started grasping sticks with our hands), so evolution is not really visible by increased knowledge or technologies, at least mechanical ones. Evolution is more likely a by product of our biochemical growth, as we take on more resistances, expose ourselves to more substances, eat meat, drink chemicals, etcetra we alter the way we interact with the environment biochemically, physiologically, and ultimately psychicly. If creating fire was a huge step forward that lead to our becoming more advanced, then the atomic bomb must have thrown us forward like a rocket to the moon. Since we use about one tenth of our mind at any given point in human physiology, we have used chemical neuroenhancement to burn out the old brain centers and shift to using a new tenth of the brain. Primitive man burned out the reptilian brain by using psychadelics, drugs, alcohol, radiation, carbons, sexual stimulus, and many other catalysts, which opened whole new dimensions of thinking, by the time humans hit the 20th century. I am not a propenent of it, but modern things like use of DMT and other synthetics maybe causing a 100th monkey type awakening across the wide map of the species and our neuralological networks.

So I am saying much technology awakened in human beings because we created an alchemical alteration of our species over time, it is an instinctual part of human nature that science denies, but is obviously there. We started choosing our evolutionary boundaries, and began to consciously accelerate them. Technology is therefore partially a byproduct.

The second and most popular influence is the extraterrestrial. I will immediately argue one point, although there maybe aliens, they maybe visiting us on occasion, and some may even be here...for the most part that is all popycock. Alien matter, DNA, ecology probably did drop here and seed life, so we have that as part of our original biometric matrix from the DNA on up. But just because the DNA is Starseed, does not make an alien of thee. Anyone with those matricies, but born here on earth is an Earthling, just one with a touch of another bloodline in their chemistry. Its like I am born in Kentucky, just because I have German and English blueblood, it does not make me royalty in Europe. All humans have extraterrestrial DNA, if that means that some future ghosts or past life memories or root race knowedge gets passed on that way, so be it. But it was only knowledge that we were already ready to access. The only time periods that show any possible visitations from otherworldly influences realistically are in Ancient Tibet, Egypt, the Maya and Ulmec obviously, Easter Island, and the modern Dogon. Except for the Dogon tribe, which is the exception to the rule, all other ET visitations seem very interested in using humans as slave resources, not teaching us about technologies. What we learned from those poser aliens (my words for them) was mostly what the left behind for us to tinker with, but almost all of it because useless during the last axis shift which changed the ley lines of power on the magnetics of Earth altogether. Atlantis and Lemuria are these groups, what good they might have taught us was blown to hell. Their fault too, I would speculate. And if the aliens that supposedly were so advanced that crashed at Roswell are to be used as an example, at best they cannot be more than a few hundred years more advanced than us now. They are basiclly not good role models to follow for high tech advancements. Yes, a few things like cell phones, satellites might have been influenced by this...by Einstein, Tesla, and all the Quantum theorist were onto something much bigger, oddly the Dogon understand quantum theory also. So it was already in the human DNA. Good for us.

Finally somethings maybe awakening in our species as the global axis shifts once again. New alignments, new magnetics, lead to new inventions. Until apples could fall from trees, Newton was at a loss for gravity, bad metaphor. But basicly somethings just come to be, if you exist long enough. Rocket science began the day we first saw a comet smack a TRex in the face. As mammals, we had to wait our turn. In that respect the Maya calendar is very influencial.

Space race? Well if we must include it, human greed is a very powerful factor in our current state of evolution. But I won't be calling JFK or MLK prophets anytime soon. They were just big monkeys grunting at the monolith.

And maybe a few good pieces of used space junk have fallen into our hands by visitations from otherworlders, but most of those seem not to be extraterrestrial as much as ultraterrestrial, not space travelers, but time travelers, which still ends up begging the question. We maybe selling space junk to ourselves from the future.

I believe some of all these are the combined influences that have led to these developments in evolution and technology. Balls to the wall. Does that answer your question about what I believe? What I write and what I believe are not one and the same. I am more interested in documenting and possibilities, I do not claim to be the harrbringer of any one truth, or claim that I know what is absolutely true. I do find the possibilities fascinating...

Keep on Hubbing SB. Blake4d


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somethgblue 4 years ago from Shelbyville, Tennessee

I agree with most of what you wrote but due to time limitations (lunch break) I will have to read it in depth to make a better comment.


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Vin Chauhun 4 years ago from Durban

i dont know if the poles will shift, and with the weak gene pool of the human gene pool, it would create one heck of a survival challenge. i dont think there is going to be any awakening of the human species, it been lead by the nose through technology that focus on the here and now, not technology that will cause to evolve or allow the human spirit to soar. Lets face it we are no different from the glorified monkeys that created us, we still have the basic reptilian mindset

the glorified monkeys that created us in "their image"...were no more evolved than we are ...hehehe

and there are many other alien races that no doubt fall under the same heading...:)


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blake4d 4 years ago from Now Rising Out of Phoenix Arizona Earthlings Author

Who knows, maybe as we exist here long enough, one of the other species might step up and bring something to the genetic evolutionary table of elements. My money is on viruses, marsupials, or possibly artificial intelligence, oh and maybe those monkeys we have been spending million teaching sign language and how to work coke machines. Boy those primates are going to be mad when they realize we opted to teach them a language for the deaf in humans. American Simian Sign Language, but you never know.

And Bears, you can never count bears out of the mix.

And maybe cock roaches.

Keep on Hubbing. Blake4d


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Vin Chauhun 4 years ago from Durban

it could even be a combo of natural virus and clumps of computer code,,,they meet one day in some polluted "back alley" ....do the nasty....and a new life form is born....hehehahahhhHHHA....:)

it could actually happen, in some lab, experimenting in computing,,,,,,,,,


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blake4d 4 years ago from Now Rising Out of Phoenix Arizona Earthlings Author

Virus...Code. Virus Code. VC !!!!! Wow your new name is an unconscious acronym for the next dominant species in evolution. Bow to the new masters of the Earth. Be nice to the humans VC. Keep on Hubbing. Blake4d


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Vin Chauhun 4 years ago from Durban

Hell No !!!!thats like a lion being nice to an impala...hehehe....


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blake4d 4 years ago from Now Rising Out of Phoenix Arizona Earthlings Author

LoL!!!! KOH. Blake4d


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Vin Chauhun 4 years ago from Durban

i must say there are some mighty fine females on Hubs....hell who knows, I might find miss VC, then i shall spread my essence around....:)

i have to admit...my genetics might be far superior to many of them but they will have to do....there needs to be as many VC offspring for the coming Hell on Earth.....


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blake4d 4 years ago from Now Rising Out of Phoenix Arizona Earthlings Author

This Hub author, nor Hub Pages can personally make any claims or opinions, about the superiority of VC in the genetic genepool, as such, those willing participants of any gender in such experiments, or potential offspring creations, do so at your own risk. Or for the pure fun or it. VC, be careful. I believe the genepool could still use some chlorine first.

Keep on Hubbing. Blake4d


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Vin Chauhun 4 years ago from Durban

sorry....i believe tequila would be a better option....hehe


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Vin Chauhun 4 years ago from Durban

and i believe chlorine might give false valuations on genetic viability....and i absolve u of any claims against U in the case of unlikely injury in the course of seeking gentic pairings...:)


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blake4d 4 years ago from Now Rising Out of Phoenix Arizona Earthlings Author

OMG VC. I will have to let you decide what is best for your own consumptions. I am so glad that you were willing to consume this bit of reading first, otherwise your vision may have gone blurry. Keep on Hubbing. Blake4d

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