Homosexuals in the Church

God does not approve of open homosexuality in the church

On the exact day and hour a vote was held to approve homosexuality in this church, an unforecast tornado hit the steeple and broke the cross.
On the exact day and hour a vote was held to approve homosexuality in this church, an unforecast tornado hit the steeple and broke the cross. | Source

Adultery in the Church

Scripture says, "In this is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins." (1 John 4:10). Basically, God loved us when we were yet sinners.

Suffering a temptation does not disqualify people from seeking out God, or disqualify them from being worthy of love from the Body.

I will go even one step further and say that even if a homosexual, or a porn addict, or some other occasionally lost a battle in his or her war, she can still come to Sunday.

But, these people should not lay hands on others. They should not be told porn addiction, adultery, or homosexuality is acceptable- it isn't.

In fact, if I go to a church where they say, "Greet 5 or 6 people in your area and say good morning", I don't do it. Who are these people? What spirits do they have that might attempt to transfer by laying hands on my hand?

I know a mighty man of God, Peter Kumar. He once went to India on a mission. The Holy Spirit warned him not to lay hands on one man. He did anyway, and saw in the spirit two snakes wind up his arms from out of the man. They bound his voice, and he could barely speak during his mission preaching.

I also heard Tom Deckard report how he was at a church to speak. The pastor told him privately, "We have a real problem with sexual sin in this church, which we are fighting." Deckard said that he spoke before he could think, in the Holy Spirit, "Well, there wouldn't be if you would stop laying hands on them."

So, a person not yet set free should be actively addressing the issue by submitting to prayer and repenting. He/she should hate the sin. He/she should not lay hands on others.

I attended a UMC, St. James in Athens, GA. A lesbian couple attended each week for three years. They had gay pride stickers on their bumper. That is not acceptable. If homosexuals want to attend, they should not be in an active relationship which they have every intention of keeping. They should not be flying a proud flag in support of their burden. Jon Bevere teaches that Grace is not a license to sin; Grace is the power in God to overcome sin.

And, if the congregation cannot set these people free after a time, they should encourage adulterers, addicts, and others to seek another fellowship- one where the Power of the Kingdom of God actually rests. In this case, the "church" should fire itself, if the person has not fired them already by quitting and attending somewhere else.

Paul was much more aggressive. Those who taught sin, and who refused to quit, were kicked out, and identified by name. (Read 1 Corinthians chapter 4 to learn more.)


Homosexuality = Adultery

The only place fornicating with a member of the opposite sex is permitted, is in marriage. God does not recognize marriage between members of the same sex. God explicitly condemns men laying with men as they would with a woman.

Homosexuality may be worse than adultery. But, the issue of gay and lesbian sin seems so heavily emphasized in the press. Fearful Christians whimper away from the press on this issue. Doing so is choosing the opinions of men over the opinion of God. It is a the worst kind of error. Still, in the church, preaching against sex outside of marriage is rarely heard, if ever.

God is against Melissa swapping spit with Mary. And, He is against Billy kissing Sally before marriage. After all, God created "Adam and Eve", not "Adam and Steve".

Unrepentant Homosexuality in the Church Okay?

Is it acceptable to have open homosexual couples in the church, who do NOT repent of it?

  • Yes.
  • No.
  • As long as it is not flaunted.
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Unrepentant Heterosexual Adultery in the Church Okay?

Is it acceptable for a male and female, not married, to be in a sexual relationship, and stay in the church?

  • Yes.
  • No.
  • As long as it is not flaunted.
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Origin of Homosexuality?

How does a person become gay?

  • Congenital- they are born that way.
  • Spiritual- it is a demonic spirit which can enter before birth (family curse) or later (rape, molestation, etc.)
  • It's like Richard Dawkins' theory: Just by being in the same room with a gay, you can catch it.
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What Happened to the Lutherans

Above, there is an image of a broken, inverted cross. Satanists invert a cross and include this God-hatred in some of their rituals. In this case, a cloudless sky produced a tornado that came down and hit this steeple, breaking it and leaving it as shown, as a kind of mock-Satanic identifier.

The storm also took up tents set up all over the church grounds as part of the convention to vote in an approval of open homosexuality -acceptance and approval- in the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America.

More Problems for Lutherans

Also in 2009, a member of the Lutheran Church in Kansas was killed in the church. "Doctor" George Tiller had been warned by God already. First, in 1985, Tiller's clinic was bombed. But, Tiller continued his practice of killing babies in the womb- after the 21st week. Second, an assailant shot Tiller in both arms in 1993. Finally, in 2009, a shooter killed Tiller in the foyer of the church.

That church allowed a murderer to stay in their midst. And, in the end, God allowed murder to enter the church itself.

Sin: murder, homosexuality, rape, stealing, and other immoral acts should not be condoned in the church. Yes, the church is for bound people. It is for people who want to be set free. That is why Jesus came. It is NOT, however, for people who want to promote and condone sin.

Of course, we want every kind of sinner to come to the churches. We want them to be led to the healing power and loving arms of an Almighty, forgiving God. If we tell them they are okay with all their sins, we do them a great disservice. Perhaps the best tool is to not just to show them right living by our example, but to pray for them earnestly and to encourage them to pray regularly and openly, and to teach them to read the Word of God daily.

Jesus is coming for a spotless bride, not one spotted with concessions.

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Comments 12 comments

Brenda Durham 4 years ago

You're right in that the church isn't for people who want to promote and condone sin. It's for people who want to be free, indeed.

Anyone who's in the pit of sin should be allowed into a church in the hopes that they'll be saved. But no, they shouldn't be allowed to promote sin in any way nor should they be considered as potential faculty, preachers, teachers, or in any ministry if they're not trying to control their temptations. If the person IS trying to live a Christian life, however, they should be shown great mercy just as our Lord shows us all great mercy. The Pastor and other authorities at any Church should be able to deal with these situations in a wise way and on a case-by-case basis if they have good discernment and are strong in the Lord themselves.

The homosexual advocates perpetuate their agenda even into churches; we know this; and no we shouldn't allow them to interrupt church services in any way nor give them any leeway to disrupt or undermine the purpose of the church.

On the opposite end of this issue, I personally know people who do have an ongoing personal struggle with the temptation of homosexuality, and they humble themselves under God's authority and the church's authority, and they're doing their best to live a Christian life. Those are unique people, I believe, and I thank God for them because they do show humility and keep striving for the mark of salvation as all Christians do. And they know they aren't qualified to be leaders until and unless they're free from the bondage of those temptations, just as any man or woman should know.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Brenda,

Thank you for your wise and loving input.

MFM


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Emmyboy 4 years ago from Nigeria

Such strong views you expressed there! You are truly courageous!


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Dave Mathews 4 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

Love the sinner, But hate the sin. Every individual has a right to seek and know God their maker.


Brenda Durham 4 years ago

Amen, Dave. But the thing is that they shouldn't be given positions of influence or authority unless they're capable of representing the born-again life, the "new creature in Christ" that repentance and forgiveness brings. It's actually the same with anyone else----if a former drunkard or thief or adulterer has changed his/her life and exhibits a pattern of strength and responsibility and self-control, then they should be allowed to be in positions of leadership or teaching, etc. I think the time frame is important. And whether or not the person recognizes their lifestyle as a sin or not. God didn't make people homosexuals, just like He didn't make people drunkards and liars. He made people with the capacity to choose how they live and how they react to temptations. With His help, all things are possible to overcome.


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Bob Ferreira 4 years ago

I completely disagree with all of these views expressed here in your hub, but to each his own. It's sad to me that so many people who claim to lead such spiritual, God-centered lives are so non-accepting. Because no matter what "God" may or may not have said, the one thing that is a universal thought is the unforgiving love of that God. You can't have it both ways - either God loves everyone, or he doesn't. Either he judges everyone, or he doesn't judge anyone. And if there really is a God out there, I tend to think that no one here on Earth is permitted to speak for Him, and to say what He may or may not have said, feels, or thinks.

Interesting hub - voted up.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Bob,

You are correct, either God loves everyone, OR He doesn't. That is a simple statement. The answer is, He doesn't.

“I have loved Jacob but Esau I have hated. I have laid waste his hill country and left his heritage to jackals of the desert.” If Edom says, “We are shattered but we will rebuild the ruins,” the Lord of hosts says, “They may build, but I will tear down, and they will be called ‘the wicked country,’ and ‘the people with whom the Lord is angry forever.’ ” (Malachi 1:2-4)

God does judge everyone, and He sends some to Hell.

God calls some to speak for Him. He has always done it this way.

In an encouraging way, I want to say to you, Bob, and to others who feel differently than what I have posted here:

Read the Bible and pray. Otherwise, how will you know the nature of God?


Brenda Durham 4 years ago

Man from Modesto, I must disagree with one of your statements. You said God doesn't love everyone. Although the verses in Malachi are valid and right (all Scripture is), the fact is that the Bible expounds upon the Sacrifice and Resurrection of Jesus, telling us that God so loved the world that He sent Jesus to die on the cross for all of mankind's sins. Anyone who accepts Jesus as their Savior has the opportunity to have their sins forgiven. That comes down to a choice---people must choose to Love the Lord. Redemption is offered to all, if they so choose to accept it. The Sacrifice is Love; God is Love; Jesus, being a manifestation of the Father, is Love!

So, although I see what you mean about the verses in Malachi (very valid verses, as is all of Scripture!), the thing is that we must interpret the Bible in its overall context. And that overall context is that God Loves everyone! It is only us humans who refuse sometimes to Love each other and to Love God.

God calls every Believer to speak for Him at various times. Whether each person answers that call and honors the substance of it, is...a choice the person makes.

God is omnipotent and omniscient, knowing past present and future. He knew that Judas would betray Him. He knew that Esau would sell His birthright for a tidbit of food. That's where God's judgement came in. It wasn't that Judas and Esau didn't have the chance to be covered under the grace of God's Love; it was simply that God already knew what they would do. God does not love wickedness. However, He died for all of mankind while we were still sinners! That includes homosexuals.

Love covers a multitude of sins. The Bible says so. I believe that includes all of mankind. The Bible says so! The only difficulty is in mankind's hearts. Neither homosexuals nor drunkards nor liars nor thieves nor adulterers will enter heaven. But indeed, when we repent and turn from our wicked ways, we are able to receive forgiveness. If we continue in blatant unrepentant sin, we will all go to the lake of fire. If homosexuals do not repent of the sin of homosexuality, and turn from that sin, exercise self-control to the best of their abilities, they will go to the lake of fire.

God loves all homosexuals just as he loves all sinners. But yes, He will judge us all if we don't repent and walk with the Lord and keep striving for the goal of ultimate salvation. The ones whose sins aren't covered by His blood, will go to the lake of fire. And again, that covering is available for everyone to have.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Brenda,

That is all very well said. I agree we must take the Bible in full context. I wish more people understood and practiced this.

Part of the full context is the very plain statement "Esau I have hated". Scripture tells us that Esau repented, but only a Saul kind of repentance; Esau wanted to receive the birthright for its value. Esau did not repent as David did- with a heart that wanted to be right with God as an end in itself, not for what it promised (the blessings of God).

I believe Esau is a type and a shadow of those who never truly come to God, those who reject Jesus. Salvation is a kind of birth right for all mankind. The blood of Jesus is sufficient to cover all mankind. However, not all will receive it. Some will reject the Holy Spirit, Jesus, and the Father. This rejection, I believe, is what Jesus termed "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit", an outright rejection of God.

The Holy Spirit once told me, "There is one condemnation and one rejection: rejection or acceptance of Jesus Christ." He was explaining to me that God is fair.


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Alexander Mark 4 years ago from beautiful, rainy, green Portland, Oregon

That's very interesting. I have never heard of this concept of spiritual transference by the laying of hands - not for evil. Can you point to some scripture that would shed light on this for me?

I had an instance where someone grabbed my hand forcefully to try and join me in prayer. She was quite astonished when I wrenched my hand from her (three times she tried to do this!) and told her no. I knew what she was, a busy body who craved power and she was using me to make herself look authoritative in the middle of the church. I don't worry about spiritual attack though, I depend on God to take care of me there and I take care of my human responsibilities (such as not allowing another to abuse me).


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Alexander,

I agree with your reaction. There is a spirit of control in churches. One of the negative reactions to this is that people are unwilling to ask each other for prayer support. The requester then (rightfully, most times) has to fear establishing himself below the requestee.

As for scriptures, "Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure." (1 Tim 5:22, KJV)

It is interesting that the two ideas arrive in the same sentence, "lay hands suddenly on no man" and do not "be partaker of other men's sins". I wonder if Paul is warning Timothy that those two things are directly related.

However, it clearly warns us to use some caution in laying on hands. Personally, I also start praying for a person without laying on hands. During the prayer, most times, the Holy Spirit directs me to touch them. This is usually the shoulder. Occasionally, it is the head or sternum (on men only). Taking someone's hand is not that common for me. But, each of us is unique and we have unique relationships with our Father.

I found this interesting article:

http://www.newwineonline.com/files/pdf/publication...

The author discusses many more ways that spirits transfer.


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Alexander Mark 4 years ago from beautiful, rainy, green Portland, Oregon

What you wrote about a spirit of control describes what I have been experiencing when I do get a little bit involved with a new church. I never stay. I understand that powers and principalities move to take over churches, and with the power structure and money flowing in at most churches, they have become perfect places for those seeds to grow. There are too many wicked people IN the churches and enough apathetic people who do not object to such obvious power plays.

Thank you for that verse! That describes my situation perfectly. And it's an interesting connection that deserves further study.

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