How Seth MacFarlane Demolished Modern Civilization

I watched about five minutes of Family Guy on Fox once, but turned it off in a mixture of boredom and disgust. It's a horrendously badly done animation, but the quality of its cartooning cannot compare to the disjointed pretense for storytelling. However, that's certainly the least of its faults as creator Seth MacFarlane, aided and abetted by the unparalleled money-grubbing schlock-meister Fox owner Rupert Murdoch, has built a cheap cartoon into a billion-dollar franchise giving voice to the most repulsive, repugnant, inhuman, and profoundly anti-Christian, anti-Muslim, anti-Jewish, anti-Moral, anti-Everything nihilism which ordinarily would not have made it out of online wanker forums inhabited by zit faced 13 year old sullen goth children who hate everything.

Much to my chagrin, I simply could not resist the opportunity to watch this week's Family Guy episode titled "Not All Dogs Go to Heaven," as it was the first time since the end of Star Trek The Next Generation fifteen years ago that the entire cast of the original Enterprise-D would be together on a television program. I expected all sorts of Star Trek in-jokes about socially-inept Trekkie nerds wearing pointy ears, (as that fantastic sitcom The Big Bang Theory does so well) and the beginning of the episode seemed to deliver on the promise as the Family Guy family visits a local Star Trek convention. It was there, right at the beginning, that it seemed as the show was derailing, as one of the first jokes regarded William Shatner's late wife, with an ample wink to the possibility that he drowned her. Again, much to my chagrin, it was way downhill from there.

I had tuned in to see the TNG crew make fun of itself. Unfortunately, the entire episode featured the cast with just a few lines, mostly centering around truly insipid, irrelevant, nonsequitor, childish potty humor, which was (as Simon Cowell loves to say) a complete and utter waste of time. It turned out that the Star Trek cast's participation was only a meagre subplot, promoted to pull ratings for the main plot, which was, very simply, the single most offensive thing I have ever witnessed in all my decades of watching television.

- One of the titles on a Christian bookburning pile is "Logic for First Graders"
- A dog fetches and chews on a crucifix
- God is Flash Gordon on a Star Wars Speederbike
and worst of all
- Jesus is going to date rape a woman

Although I was born a Catholic, I am not a practicing Christian in any way, shape, or form. I have an appreciation for all major religions, and see them all as being different and equally valid vectors towards humans comprehending the divine mysteries. But this episode of Family Guy literally made me gag. More important than my own retching reaction has to be the fact that Seth MacFarlane is certainly no stranger to offending everyone and everything, as is clear in an episode where a character dances around a dying AIDS patient singing "You've Got AIDS", and he is a hero to millions of viewers!

In "North by North Quahog", Jesus in engaged in a car chase shootout with police.
In "The Father, the Son, and the Holy Fonz", holy water is infectious and causes disease.
In "Stewie Loves Lois", a child prepares to murder his mother.
In "Barely Legal" a woman has sex with a dog taped to a chair.
In "No Meals On Wheels", an Adolf Hitler scarecrow is named a "Scare-Jew".
In "I Dream Of Jesus", Christ walks across water to get a dollar bill.
In "Family Gay", a ten person orgy is clearly shown.
In "McStroke", pedophilia is clearly shown.

There are lots more pornographic, racist, derogatory, and disgusting examples, but you get the drift.

Here is the crux of the issue. Although he is by far not the most vehement violator of human values, morals, and sanctity in this world, Seth MacFarlane is one of the most blatant and visible. Through the profoundly mistaken assumption that anything that makes money and doesn't land you in jail is fair game, Fox has given this callow, puerile, Neanderthal ignoramus a worldwide soapbox where millions of impressionable anti-social youths can find catharsis in the realization that they are not alone in their beliefs that "everything and everyone sucks," as Stewey (the talking homosexual baby) actually acts out their innermost fantasies: matricide, pedophilia, orgies, anti-Semitism, bestiality... Jesus Christ? Jews? AIDS sufferers? Kick them all in the crotch and then laugh as they writhe on the floor! That's so funny!

Yeah. Funny. Really funny.

Baudelaire noted in 1864 that "the devil's best trick was to persuade you that he doesn't exist," and although my own personal theological construct does not include an anthropomorphisized incarnation of duality, I do have to state that it is my most fervent and deeply held belief that the recent gleeful promotion and universal acceptance of every imaginable perversion and immorality; along with what I call the Big 6 D's: debasement, debauchery, decadence, degeneracy, degradation and desecration; is not just unprecedented since Sodom and Gomorrah, but is the clearest sign (whether you want to incorporate it into an eschatological thesis or not) that this civilization is on its last legs.

Since it seems we live in an age where the only effective way to be able to communicate any concept to a fellow human being is to use current media cultural references, I would like to quote Al Pacino as Satan in "The Devil's Advocate":

Who, in their right mind, could possibly deny the twentieth century was entirely mine?

We're done. Stick a fork in us. And it is the Seth MacFarlanes of the world that have done the sticking. Some more apropos commentary from Al Pacino's brilliant portrayal of the devil:

You sharpen the human appetite to the point where it can split atoms with its desire. You build egos the size of cathedrals. Fiber-optically connect the world to every eager impulse. Grease even the dullest dreams with these dollar-green gold-plated fantasies until every human becomes an aspiring emperor, becomes his own god. Where can you go from there? As we're scrambling from one deal to the next, who's got his eye on the planet? As the air thickens, the water sours, even bees honey takes on the metallic taste of radioactivity... and it just keeps coming, faster and faster. There's no chance to think, to prepare; it's buy futures, sell futures.. when there is no future. We got a runaway train, boy. Every one... is getting ready to fistf*ck God's ex-planet and lick their fingers clean, as they reach out toward their pristine, cybernetic keyboards to tote up their f*cking billable hours.

Seth MacFarlane, I am singling you out because in another age you would be convicted to death by stoning and, in another age, I'd be proud to cast the first stone. In this "enlightened" age, with its "finer" sensibilities you do not deserve death. However, you profoundly deserve what to you and your fellow civilization-demolishers is even worse: Total obscurity and disregard as the benighted cretins you are.

 

The latest despicable perversion from the April 19, 2009 Family Guy. Peter slices up a household pet cat with a razor blade and holds up the pieces.
The latest despicable perversion from the April 19, 2009 Family Guy. Peter slices up a household pet cat with a razor blade and holds up the pieces.

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jjrubio 7 years ago

OH Snap...this is good Hal. By the way you are right. The devil does try to make us think he doesn't exist but if you sit and look around long enough you can see he has his hands on basically everything...Doesn't it seem interesting that since 1914 the world has gotten even worse. Did you know more people have died from wars, famine and sicknesses in the 20th century than in any other times before that all added up throughout history. That's a basic fact. That is scary how prevalent that invisible and tricky force is that is corrupting the very world in which we live....Babylon and Sodom and Gommorah got as bad as this and you know what happened to them =) GOOD ONE HAL!!


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RKHenry 7 years ago from Your neighborhood museum

Family Guy is what Archie Bunker was in the 1970's and 80's.

I can't stand the show, but most of my friends love it. I was sad to read that they didn't give Star Trek junkies, like mysel,f anything worth watching. Glad I missed it.

Thanks for the great hub. Boo Fox Network! I think their news staff is a joke. I can't stand watching them either. Thanks again.


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Christa Dovel 7 years ago from The Rocky Mountains, North America

It is a shame. Thanks for telling it like it is.


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artfuldodger 7 years ago from Earth

Ha, finally someone that points out how truly lame Family Guy. It wouldn't even be on if the Simpsons were still funny. I'm also not religious in any way but it gets old when literally every episode rips on Jesus in some way. McFarlane peddles smarmy, uber liberal "dead white male" bashing humor that has the unique distinction of not actually being funny. I thought the point of humor was to make people laugh. Haven't really gotten that out of FG for years. Its just not amusing anymore.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Thanks, folks! I'm glad that there is general agreement that MacFarlane is a self-serving perv who is not even remotely funny to boot! :)


Steve (u suk) 7 years ago

that show is awesome, im glad we live in a world where you can take idiotic random things (almost always innapropriate) and use them to make others laugh you just wish you were that creative... dont bash seth he is one of the most creative minds of our modern day!


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

If I ever had to sink down to MacFarlane's degenerate level and make money by spitting in the face of religions, I'd rather shoot myself in the head: Something I advocate to Mr. MacFarlane himself. You mistake debasement, debauchery, blasphemy and the greed-driven promotion of hatred and perversion for creativity. Therefore, it's you and the others who have made Mr. MacFarlane rich who "u suk". :P


jjrubio 7 years ago

yeah....Hal is right!!! Steve U SUK....literally!!!!


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

jjrubio, it's funny because he really thinks he has a point, when the only point is on top of his head! :)

Steve, I don't publish comments from people who change their names and use the same IP address, so the world will never learn of your comments about "who gives a f**k about religions", "idiotic s**t like Chrisitianity", your desire that I get "beat up by an angry mob of family guy fans you dirty son of a bitch" and other sensitive and altruistic expressions of universal love and tolerance. You are the prototypical target of my Hub: Completely disgusting, revolting, pathetic wanker losers who live in their parents' basements and watch sick cartoons all day: People with no redeeming social value whatsoever who should have been aborted at birth, along with MacFarlane.


jjrubio 7 years ago

the only one who is a slut is your ugly ass!!! Ohhhhh I am soooo scared...scared of an illiterate who like family guy!! I don't think I will ever recover from that!!! HA HA HA HA


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

jjrubio, I've changed the Comments Settings to Moderate, so Steve's touching and affectionate terms can no longer soil this website.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Well... at least in his latest well-researched and thoughtful thesis, Steve admits that " yea i live with my parents but you talk s**t on cartoons cuz you have nothing better to do i really wish i knew you so i could slap the s**t out of you." So I nailed it. Just another junior braindead moron whose idea of a fun evening is to watch cartoons since he's too socially inept to get a date with anyone but a hooker. Steve, my boy, I'll list these in alphabetical order to make it easy for your IQ of 62 to look them up in the dictionary: You're a debased, debauched, degenerate, depraved, immoral, iniquitous, pathetic, perverse, reprobate, unprincipled, unscrupulous, warped idiot. And so is your hero, Seth MacFarlane.

Thanks, jjrubio! You know I appreciate your support! :)


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Elijah Grant 7 years ago from Fayetteville, Arkansas

I very much (respectfully) disagree. I think Seth McFarlane makes quality comedy for intelligent folks. Is it dangerous for lesser minds? Yes. But folks like you (Hal) or I should be able to discern for ourselves what to watch or not watch.

Would i let my children watch it? Pretty much never. They are young and impressionable, but an adult (some anyway) can discern whether or not something is appropriate or not and can decide which things to keep in their minds and which things to laugh about and not dwell on.

I mean don't get me wrong, i cringe when there's blasphemy. However to put it in a positive light, two of my favorite morning DJs who are on a completely different LEVEL of wrong from family guy, live by the following mantra, Charlie Chaplin's life philosophy. Life is a tragedy when viewed closely, and a comedy when viewed from afar. I think that is very much true. The show pushes no true agenda, it simply makes light of all things. I don't think there's anything which can't be made light of. Even religion, especially religion. Though I'm a Christian, i can still see the laughability of Family Guy portraying Jesus as a street magician. It's funny because it's so far from the truth!

All of the things you listed specifically get humorous response because they're juxtaposition. And i don't think brian having sex is supposed to be about beastiality. It's really just understood that brian is much like a human and does human things, another funny juxtaposition.

I don't think Seth is anti...anything. i just think he points out the humor in everything. Even pedophilia. The idea is so far removed from normality that it can in certain instances be found comical. It's shock humor.

That being said i think shock humor is a bit cheap and mcfarlane could cut it down a bit.

At any rate, good hub. well written. In summary: Seth McFarlane does pump out some inapproriate stuff but...adults can handle it.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

I find no redeeming social value to a young impressionable child channel surfing to watch what to all outward appearances is a fun kiddie cartoon and ending up watching a half naked woman trying to have sex with a tied-up dog, whether the dog is anthropomorphosized or not. Sorry. Therefore, if I am to agree with what you've justly and eloquently stated (and I certainly respect your opinion and your right to state it publicly), I can only come to the conclusion that the solution is to take Family Guy off the broadcast airwaves, and either put it on an XXX rated satellite channel which is for adults only, or package it in a DVD format and sell it in adult stores. If Family Guy is on the public airwaves which are administered by the FCC on behalf of the people of the United States, then it needs to be removed immediately as pornography.


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spryte 7 years ago from Arizona, USA

While I respect your position Hal, my husband and I both find Family Guy shockingly funny and sometimes brilliant in its content. The humor is not meant for children at all and any person that believes that simply because it's a cartoon relegates it to children's entertainment has not spent time with the likes of Beavis & Butthead, Ren & Stimpy or the Southpark kids.

There are references that only a person over the age of 35 would understand...like the scene where the entire cast is running around to the tune "Another Pleasant Valley Sunday" the same way the Monkees did.

Offensive...absolutely. Tasteless...beyond a doubt. But in a world where people are mincing around each other gingerly so as not to offend...The Family Guy is refreshing as hell.

Sorry...LOL!


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

spryte, you are very welcome to your opinion and I respect that. However, I disagree with the placement of Family Guy on the public airwaves, open to any child tuning into what looks like a cartoon but is actually a festival of depravity, intolerance, hate and perversion. Again, put it (and South Park, etc.) on DVD or on the Playboy Channel and that way any adults who knowingly want to expose themselves to it can do so. Not kids.


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spryte 7 years ago from Arizona, USA

Hal - tsk! Parents are there for a reason and they were given fingers just like anyone else. A mere click of the button or making use of parental controls would mitigate the problem. However, I guess it's too much to ask for that since parents can't even seem to pay attention to what their children do in school or on the internet.

Worrying about another person's impressionable children shouldn't be the responsibility of childless adults who would rather not pay a premium price to watch whatever they choose in the privacy of their own home. Just...be a grown-up and act responsibly. If you don't want your children to watch something that you deem inappropriate, exercise the power of the remote. Your TV, your remote, your children, your problem. Not mine.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

You are absolutely correct in that many parents let their kids become feral with no supervision, but the TV is now a universal fixture and it is almost impossible for any parent to determine what a child is watching every single waking moment. Pornography is not shown on the broadcast airwaves, why should a cartoon version of it be shown, especially when that cartoon has the extra added elements of nihilist blasphemy? Personally, I think Family Guy, South Park, etc. are revolting and have no place in the public media at all, but since Pandora's box has been opened, then it should be restricted to the same distribution channels as hard core porn. (... and no, I don't mean the internet...) :)


jjrubio 7 years ago

I agree with Hal. When that show came out and I watched it I was shocked that it was on TV. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but Damn! This cartoon is too much! ( hey Hal...Steve just doesn't stop trying to comment huh!!) LOL


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

jjrubio, no, Steve is now on a multiple (deleted) comment crusade to demolish my self-esteem and make me cry and get suicidal: "go kill yourself you man whore YEA I SAID MAN WHORE!!! Ass wipe d**k clown...i hope some crazed family guy fan f**ks you in your ass but you'd probably like that WUSS PUSS!"

My dear, if only you knew how much these words have pained me to my core! I don't know how Steve got to divine all my secret sexual fantasies about being sodomized by Family Guy fans, but I just can't stand it any more! If I can't have THAT, I don't want to live! It's either Family Guy sodomy or death, so I choose death. I'm taking my own life! Goodbye cruel world! :P

Actually, just before I die, I did want to mention that Steve has done an infinite service to this Hub. He has made any reader fully understand what the mindset is of the typical Family Guy fan. Steve is the Poster Child for Family Guy! See, boys and girls, don't we all want to be just like Steve? Then watch more and more Family Guy! :)


Steve 7 years ago

You sir are very welcome... fyi i just discovered this website while on a crusade to find pics of tattoos and this article caught my eye and now im al little obsessed with this website so thank you. But this dosent change the fact that your an idiot who cant appreciate humor in its simplest form.

Sincerely,

Steve

P.S. Burn in hell


Steve 7 years ago

And yes i may be ridicuous ass with an amazing amount of immaturity, but i hold myself with great poise, i am going to college and am going to work two full time jobs and may soon be raising a child. Watching a show chock-full of idiotic humor did not rot my brain and it certainly did not "Demolish modern civilization" you are one of the idiots in the world who dosent appreciate humor and puts your opinion on some godly pedastal, sir your word is not law and you need to realize that.

If you honestly cared about this enough you would kick Seths ass for demolishing civilization or whatever bull you are trying to pull over peoples eyes, instead of just talking smack


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

The latest from our friend Steve (at least the ones I could publish that are relatively scathology-free)...

"And yes i may be ridicuous ass with an amazing amount of immaturity"

Dude, I have to give you props on that one. You nailed it.

"If you honestly cared about this enough you would kick Seths ass for demolishing civilization or whatever bull you are trying to pull over peoples eyes, instead of just talking smack"

Ah, yes, Steve. You're right. The way to resolve this is for me to get on a plane to L.A. and physically cause grievious injury to Mr. MacFarlane and then get arrested on multiple assault and battery charges. How could I have been so wrong! Fists fix everything in this world! I had forgotten until you set me straight. I'm sure that's another lesson learned from Family Guy and similar cartoons. Thanks, Steve. You're a pal! And a very wise man! :)

Oh, and BTW, hell called and they said that I should stay away. Satan's afraid I'll take over! :P


Kathryn 7 years ago

Wait.. let me get this straight. You think that a cartoon on TV which makes jokes that you feel are insensitive is immoral.... but then claim that you would be the first to initiate the killing of someone you have never even met? Do you realise how much of a hypocrite you are?


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

HUH? What are you talking about? Are you reading Steve's comments instead of mine? Who do you think I'm trying to kill?


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Sorry steve. I'd love to keep publishing your demented comments but, as is de rigeur for a Family Guy fan, you're too illiterate to understand that:

IF YOU KEEP WRITING OFFENSIVE EXPLETIVES I CAN'T PUBLISH YOUR COMMENTS.

:(


jjrubio 7 years ago

that guys back again Hal? Children! They never learn!


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Hi jjrubio! Well, what I CAN publish from steve's last comment is, and I quote:

"I feel like a retard"

Good to see we can all agree on something! :)


jjrubio 7 years ago

LMAO...I Concur!


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Steve is what a bearbaiter's dreams are made of! :)

http://hubpages.com/community/Bearbaiting-Comments...


jjrubio 7 years ago

ha ha ha!!!


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

:)


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

More from steve! Here is the CENSORED version:

"hal your a f***ing liar!!! burn in hell you ni**er"

What possible comment can I add to that? Perfection incarnate! Ah, I DO love Family Guy fans. So erudite! So intellectual! So cultured! :)


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Another literary masterpiece from Steve which much to my never ending chagrin I will have to CENSOR:

"me again and sc**w you f*g everyone on the internet talks s**t on you cuz you dont post everything people say which is true you a** hole piece of s**t. Go get hit by a f**king bus!!! D**k head. take your dumb a** opinions with you too so no one has to hear them. You better hope i never meet you cuz it'll be the last time you talk s**t. and jjrubio im sorry but you're a b**ch you need to stop believing hals lies he is censoring so much of what people say and not posting their s**t you're all dirty f**kers."

Oh... How could I possibly explain to Steve or any other violent homocidal lunatic Family Guy fanatic that if they wish their comments to not be CENSORED that they might want to familiarize themselves with that strange and innovative concept of not using

DEATH THREATS

SCATHOLOGY

EXPLETIVES

and other words which are not suitable for a Hub audience.

Steve, I'd like to thank you from the bottom of my heart. Your comments are proving far better than I ever could that Family Guy fanatics who appreciate your hero MacFarlane's blasphemies, pornography, bestiality and nihilism are the scum of the planet who belong in criminally insane asylums and on chain gangs cleaning latrines with your filthy tongues. You're a pal! Keep up the great work! :)


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spryte 7 years ago from Arizona, USA

Gee thanks Hal... While I'm not offended by humor, I think you've gone a bit far in the insulting department yourself. So far I'm what...illiterate, the scum of the planet....belong in a criminally insane asylum....all because I like a certain television show that you don't.

Now I'm offended...by your generalizations. But then again, I do have the common sense to realize that Steve and yourself are just two extreme opposites of a very broad spectrum. Each of you has expressed an opinion and cannot fathom that there are people out there that do not agree with you. As far as I'm concerned, both of you have now sunk to a level far below the one you've accused Seth MacFarlane of having. At least he makes me laugh...


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

spryte, please read my comment again. "MacFarlane's blasphemies, pornography, bestiality and nihilism." Different people have different senses of humor and that's just fine. I fully acknowledge that there are parts of FG that are conventional comedy and don't trespass onto severe social transgressions. You mentioned one earlier: "like the scene where the entire cast is running around to the tune "Another Pleasant Valley Sunday" the same way the Monkees did." If I had seen that, I'm sure I would have enjoyed it and laughed. I am emphatically not against any of that sort of entertainment programming. But when we start casting a date raping Jesus and a woman having sex with a dog taped to a chair, then the people who enjoy THOSE aspects equally to the "Pleasant Valley Sunday"... those are the ones that Emperor Of The Universe Hal would lock into a chain gang and throw away the key. I'm sorry if that offends you or any other FG viewer, but that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.


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spryte 7 years ago from Arizona, USA

I'm just glad that you aren't deciding what I can and can't watch...or rather if what I watch so offends your sensibilities to the point where I need to be locked up into a chain gang.

Fortunately, I'm perfectly capable of making that choice myself. And on that note...I'm off to do other things. Good luck with your crusade. :)


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

With all due respect, if you find it "comedic entertainment" to watch bestiality, pedophilia and the historical character who is the personal savior of more than a billion people and considered the son of their God slipping a drug into a drink and locking the doors so he can rape a girl, then your choice is sadly regrettable.

Personal liberties stop at the point where they promote perversions and felonies.


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spryte 7 years ago from Arizona, USA

Perhaps you are easily influenced to perform acts of pedophilia, bestiality and date rape by a cartoon...I'm not. Maybe that is the difference? :) In that case it is probably a very good thing that you choose not to watch some programs. I don't see it as promotional at all...it's not like the show is sponsored by NAMBLA.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

The FG episode McStroke from Wikipedia:

"Connie (a teen) and Stewie (an infant) drive to Anal Point to have sex, but when Stewie takes off his pants, Connie laughs at the size of his penis. The next day at school, he is ostracized by the popular kids for his "baby penis", ending his reign of popularity. Stewie asks Connie for one last kiss. Connie accepts, but when Connie's eyes are closed, Stewie takes off his clothes and kisses her, making her look like a pedophile, thus having Connie arrested by school security."

I doubt even NAMBLA could have come up with something quite this perverse. And it's on national primetime broadcast television.

ABSOLUTELY REVOLTING, REPUGNANT, AND CRIMINAL. THIS IS CHILD PORN AND THAT IS A FELONY.

I find your position quite surprising, considering in your Hub:

Little Timmy And The EverQuest Pervert

You wrote: "There are so many hidden dangers, and not just of the pixilated monster variety, that it's right for a parent to be wary and concerned."

Then you come out and defend this sort of kiddie porn on prime time airwaves which is accessible to any child?

Also in that Hub you wrote (and I'm including this for a laugh, not to insult you) "So who was the hypocrite? That's right...yours truly." :)


Ryan O'Connor 7 years ago

You're being a big harsh on Seth. I mean he has created a show where everything and anything can be made fun of. It is a show which usally doesn't have much a storyline (which south park make fun of them for lol), but its collection of random meaningless skits is perfect for today's internet generation (modern civilization) who like our comedy in short quick doses (such as youTube clips). This is essentially what a family guy episode consists of (many many small meaningless skits). Who cares!!?? either have a laugh or just don't watch it. Simple :)

The internet has changed (or demolished.....lol) modern civilazation and Seth has simply created a show to cater to this generation. We are a lot harder to shock now days thanks to particular user shared multimedia video and imagery which contain porn, violence, disgusting and disturbing content (which many of us all watch). Seth had no choice, but to raise the bar for mainstream television. I just don't find Mr. Plow that funny anymore lol

Also why can't he make fun of Jesus, Jews, Pedophiles, Aids, rape etc.??? What is acceptable humor and what isn't??? Who sets these rules anyway???? People on this forum??? . And not trying to start a religious agrument here, but christianity it'self does really discriminate against homesexuals (which is their right to do so, good on them if that's what they believe in), but then people have a go at Seth for discriminating against Christians. Can't have it both ways guys.

Keep it up Seth! Loved your Christian Bale takeoff! hope you can again find top form. Cheers!

Ryan


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Ryan O'Connor, I can certainly see your viewpoint and to a large degree you're correct. If adult individuals want to watch distasteful matter that is completely up to them. There are endless avenues for them to engage in their definition of entertainment: Adult web sites, XXX cinemas, DVDs, and much more. My point is simple and clear: FG does not belong on the public airwaves, where anyone can channel surf to it. I'm not a parent but if I was I could not possibly supervise my child every moment of every day. Although I would attempt to guide and protect them from inappropriate content, there has to be a time when I have to have a shower or make a sandwich, and I shouldn't have to take my TV remote control with me.

Therefore, Seth should be able to express his opinion on what constitutes entertainment: On adult only entertainment vectors. Not on the airwaves which are managed by the FCC on behalf of all Americans.

There is no excuse whatsoever, other than blind greed and outrageous perversion, to place a cartoon or any other form of "show" on public airwaves that discusses the penis of a nude infant who then kisses an adult. Sorry. That's "lock 'em up and throw away the key category." Child porn is not acceptable in any way, under any circumstance, and with any justification imaginable. If anyone does not agree with that statement, then they are free to go back to the dank dungeons of extreme perversion where they belong. Just stay away from me and other sane and ethical citizens.

In cases such as McStroke and many others I see absolutely no difference from the producer and distributor of child porn and Seth MacFarlane and Rupert Murdoch. Arrest them all and put them away for life.


Ryan O'Connor 7 years ago

Maybe then the problem isn't with Seth, but rather the networks and the time they run the show. Here in Australia they run the show at 6.45 in the evening (dinner time), which is early for a M15 show (well, used to be, not anymore lol).

On the otherhand Fox (which I cannot stand by the way- especially Rupert and their news channel lol) however has a show which is hugely popular among the internet generation, and you can't expect them to change times or dump a popular show to inconvience their huge target market just so little children cannot watch it. I guess you can see this as greed on one side, and responsible business on the other. I do actually see both sides on that.

If little children are watching it though, then isn't that the parents responsibilty to make sure they are not? Here in Australia our cable provider has technology called "channel lock". So if parents don't want children watching a show, they can just lock the channel with a PIN number (while they have their shower). Just like if parents decided they wanted the porn channel, they could lock that also. It's all up to the parents. The Internet has a lot of unsuitable content (A LOT), and while you are having your shower, they can see far worst things on that than you can see on Family Guy. You can't blame Seth for that. Its just the world we live in.

As for child porn, I don't really see it as that. It's a cartoon! No actual real child was abused. It doesn't mean they endorse pedophilla. I do see it as in extremely bad taste, but that's what Family Guy is as a show - a collection of really distasteful jokes and why it is so popular to a particular niche' market. When you see somebody getting murdered/tortured in a movie like in Pulp Fiction, you might laugh and don't feel any real remorse (I hope other people did this because I don't want to be seen as a serial killer in the works on this forum lol). Anyway its not real, so it doesn't matter, that's why you don't feel remorse and why you laugh. It doesn't mean that it is ok to murder/torture people in society. It means nothing in the real world, we're just having a laugh. That's me however, and I realise that's not a lot of people (such as Hal Lucino and probably 80 percent of the population on earth) and that's fair enough for them. They don't have to watch Family Guy or Pulp Fiction. It's hard to agrue this last point about what is acceptable on either side because we are both right in our own view. I guess its personal in how far you can go with jokes.

In the end however they are the ones who have to stay away because it is their choice if they are to watch it or not. Not Seth McFarlane's, not Quinton Tarratino's, but their's.

Good debate here on this forum though guys by the way (on both sides). I'd love to hear more opinions :)


steve 7 years ago

hey hal family guy was hilarious last night dont ya think? 420 yea! your opinion is horrid seth should not be locked up you should for being an ass! Anyone second my motion?


steve 7 years ago

and if you watched the show you would realize how innocent it is no baby penis's were shown and no one really suffered from a stroke lighten up you sensitive sally


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

I'm not going to reply to Ryan O'Connor's or Steve's comments. All I am going to do is to point to the image from last night's FG I've just placed at the bottom of the Hub article. Sorry folks. Anyone defending the right for Fox to show this shot on the public airwaves is a pervert and a criminal. That includes anyone, of any stripe, of any background, and of any intellectual status commenting on this Hub. If you support THIS SCENE, you deserve to be locked up.

WHERE THE HELL IS PETA NOW?


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

I certainly appreciate your viewpoint, but I am far more likely to believe that an impressionable young person is more likely to mimic Peter's actions in killing a cat than they would be in killing another person, as it's an easier target. As a lifelong animal lover, I'm not going to let that stand. And no, I'm not changing the channel. FG belongs on Adult DVDs. Not on the airwaves owned and managed by the American people.


Steve 7 years ago

PETA WONT CARE ABOUT YOUR STUPID DEAD CAT HAL! ITS A CARTOON! I live in Pennsylvania and every day a redneck drops a cat from the top of his silo and kills it. Or he shoots it. Or he runs it over (VERY TRUE!!!) seriously Hal its not that big of a deal maybe PETA can help you understand that.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Sorry, Steve. Dropping, shooting, or running over animals IS A BIG DEAL. If you think it isn't then you definitely need psychiatric attention. Or better yet to be kept away from any innocent animals or people.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Dude, I'm an adult. I can make choices as to what I see and how I interpret it. What about the millions of children that watch this sewage?


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thePuck 7 years ago from Bay Area, CA

So, basically, your complaint is that a particular piece of creative enterprise (aka art) doesn't reflect your values and offends you. Your review is duly noted.

I think the show is funny as hell and I enjoyed every episode you listed...that's my review.

Isn't it great that we live in such a free culture that we both can have and share our opinions about Seth's art and he is free to continue creating it?


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

You, sir, are a moron, and a dangerous one at that. Finding humor or art in these circumstances is reserved only for the criminally insane.


GLC 6 years ago

Saying its "funny" is just a safer way to say that you embrace all that is wrong. Oh my gosh, Seth Macfarlane took all the filthy lusts in his heart and put them on a TV show and captured the hearts of every other scum out there, he is so talented!


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

I could not agree more. MacFarlane is a depraved pervert, and his appeal is to the perverts in the majority of his audience. Take this filth off the air NOW!


Chris 6 years ago

Surely you're not saying a cartoon in which a teenage girl is tricked into pecking a baby on the cheek while he's nude is anywhere near as bad/dangerous as actual child pornography.

You've established a number of parts in Family Guy where you find it's in bad-taste, disgusting etc. But why should that warrant its being pulled from air? You've provided no evidence that children are more likely to kill a cat having seen Peter accidentally do so than not having seen it; nor that we'll see an increase in bestiality or rape after Meg attempts to initiate sex with a tied-up Brian; nor that watching Stewie attempt to commit matricide will make kids want try it at home. And if people find humour in such a cartoon, how exactly is that such an atrocity?

That being said, the Peter-killing-the-cat scene did put me off a bit. I'd have preferred the creators to have kept that scene out of it.


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

Well, at least I'm glad that you are also drawing the line at the cat scene, but can you please tell me what clinical data you have to prove the total lack of psychological affect on impressionable young viewers of this GARBAGE? No, a teenage girl kissing a naked baby isn't child porn. What is it then? A Sunday school picnic? Of course it's just more of MacFarlane's depravity, perversion, insanity, and anarchic nihilism WHICH HAS TO BE STOPPED!


A Z 6 years ago

Family Guy used to be funny, and some parts are funny. However it is all just lure for MacFarlane's anti-decency propaganda. I used to think he was a great man, but now I realize that he is a big jerk. I maybe Catholic but I am very open minded to other faiths and beliefs, but MacFarlane is just an extremist. Unfortunately even if he is stopped I'm sure some other atheist extremist will take his place.


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

Thank you for your comment. Just because there may be tyrants in the future didn't stop America from stopping Hitler. AND YES I AM COMPARING MACFARLANE TO HITLER. Hitler annihilated millions of innocent people and MacFarlane is annihilating the social and moral capabilities of even more millions of people. MacFarlane should not be assassinated, but should be placed in a position where he is never able to spread his depravity again, preferably behind bars for the rest of his life.


Chris 6 years ago

"can you please tell me what clinical data you have to prove the total lack of psychological affect on impressionable young viewers of this GARBAGE?"

I have no evidence. You have no evidence. So why are you so adamant that it should be pulled? Because you speculate that his cartoons are more likely to cause people to be immoral? Why should Fox's lineup be subject to mere speculation? If people enjoy the thing, with a lack of evidence to suggest that it has terrible, isn't it at least morally acceptable to let people watch whatever fictional stuff they want to watch?


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

I'm getting really tired of stating this over and over.

The airwaves do not belong to Seth or Fox. They belong to the American people. If this was a case of an NC17 movie where you would have to pay to enter, then you can make a case that Seth has a right to spew his excrement all over the audience. The FCC manages the public airwaves on behalf of the citizens. It has the constitutional right to defend the suitability of broadcasts on those airwaves for the general welfare of the majority of those citizens. That's why disgusting, maggot-infested brains like those inside Seth's skull should never be allowed access to those public airwaves. Nuf said.


Chris 6 years ago

"The FCC manages the public airwaves on behalf of the citizens. It has the constitutional right to defend the suitability of broadcasts on those airwaves for the general welfare of the majority of those citizens. That's why disgusting, maggot-infested brains like those inside Seth's skull should never be allowed access to those public airwaves."

My objection has nothing to do with constitutionality, or ownership of the airwaves. My objection is that you have no evidence to suggest that taking MacFarlane's cartoons off the air would be good for society, beyond mere speculation. If the FCC have no evidence either way as to what the effects of their decision would be, they should let people watch Family Guy.

Hope that's cleared any misunderstanding up - I'm absolutely not discussing constitutionality/legality.


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

I'm discussing legality and only legality. From the FCC site:

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It is a violation of federal law to air obscene programming at any time. It is also a violation of federal law to air indecent programming or profane language during certain hours. Congress has given the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) the responsibility for administratively enforcing these laws.

The FCC has defined broadcast indecency as “language or material that, in context, depicts or describes, in terms patently offensive as measured by contemporary community standards for the broadcast medium, sexual or excretory organs or activities.” Indecent programming contains patently offensive sexual or excretory material that does not rise to the level of obscenity.

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If I was an US citizen, I would have long ago followed the instructions and filed a formal complaint against Fox and FG. Unfortunately I am not. I can only hope that some American citizen reads this and will file on my behalf!


Drew Cameron 6 years ago

The reason it is okay to "blasphemise" Christians and so on in the way Family Guy does is because God doesn't exist.

The jokes are absolutely in bad taste. Most funny jokes are, actually.


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

People like you have my pity. You are such fools and your lives are so empty and bereft of meaning. You will never know truth and beauty in this life, or the fact that God loves even you, who spit in the face of your Creator.


Chris 6 years ago

"I'm discussing legality and only legality."

With all due respect, I find that very hard to believe. There's very little legal discussion in your article, or subsequent comments. Furthermore, if you are in fact stating "This is what the law states should happen," you also seem to be stating "I wish it were so" and "Anyone defending Fox's right to show this is a pervert and a criminal."

If I'm wrong, let me know, and I'll apologise for wasting your time. If, however, you do wish to state that it is immoral to let MacFarlane's shows go on air, then I think you still owe an explanation as to why that's the case, in spite of a lack of evidence pointing to any negative consequences.


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

OK, dude. Let's start at the beginning. Homo sapiens created laws in order to enforce the moral and ethical standards of his society. These standards are not ethereal, but obligatory in any civilized community to ensure that individual rights are respected. The government of the United States is charged by the people to administer the nation on their behalf. Laws are created and enforced to ensure for the common welfare.

Now we have MacFarlane who being aided and abetted by Murdoch is causing irrevocable damage to the decency and ethical judgment skills of countless millions of innocent, naïve and impressionable children, because Rupert and Seth need to buy another, bigger private jet for each of them.

If this money was earned by any broadcast which was legal within a legislative as well as ethical and moral framework, then more power to them.

However, perversion is responsible for crimes of all shades, from date rape to murder. Fox & Seth have set up a factory where children are shown perversions of unprecedented scale under the guise of a "funny little cartoon."

That is against the law. It is reprehensible. It calls for banning, and no less than life imprisonment for Rupert Murdoch and Seth MacFarlane.

And...

Because I have a conscience (which seems to be a rather rare thing these days) I'm not letting off on the pressure. Enjoy:

http://hubpages.com/entertainment/Petition-The-FCC...


Chris 6 years ago

Okay, based on your answer, I think you believe that the enforcement of the law, as you intepret it regarding Family Guy, would benefit common welfare. Correct me if I'm wrong there.

(Incidentally - and bear in mind, I'm not an expert on American law - I'm not sure your interpretation of the "obscenity" law is the one used by the FCC. I think it's highly questionable that FG, "as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest". I'd also point out that the PTC has complained to the FCC many times, and the show only seems to be getting "worse", as opposed to banned.)

You still seem to be implying that Family Guy will cause an increase in crimes (particularly bestiality, paedophilia, date rape, and murder). That's something you have still not offered evidence for. If, ultimately, that's your beef with FG, then you're trying to cost people billions of dollars, and trying to stop millions of other people from watching a cartoon they want to watch, because you have a feeling, but no evidence whatsoever, that doing so may reduce crime. That's not something I can morally agree with.

I'm not here to bait you, Hal. I've taken what you have to say seriously. I just disagree, because I think you have no evidence to support (morally speaking) banning FG from TV. That doesn't make me a pervert. It doesn't mean I don't have a conscience. It doesn't make me insane. We either have a disagreement, or we misunderstand one another. Either way, I'm sorry that people come on your blog and insult you and your religious beliefs (that's utterly out of line). But that doesn't give you the moral green-light to blanket-insult anyone who thinks Fox should be allowed to show FG.

Anyway, just to make my position clear (and so I understand what position you're defending), not all of the following statements can be true:

1. There is no evidence that FG has bad consequences.

2. It's not okay to ban shows without any evidence they have bad consequences.

3. It's okay to ban FG.

I believe 1 and 2 are true, and that 3 is false. You believe 3 is true; which of 1 and 2 do you believe is false (perhaps both)? Or is my argument invalid?


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

Oh, believe me, Chris... I know you're not an expert on law or much else other than getting lolz at Stewie's jokes. :) I can point you to dozens of peer reviewed published medical studies on the desensitization process of being exposed to violence and perversion, including the famous one on the survivors of the Khmer Rouge who would laugh uproariously when shown filmed scenes of mutilations. So you have absolutely no grounds to your belief other than "FG's cool, dude, leave it alone." No baiting at all. Your argument is totally invalid, immoral, unethical and illegal. Here is the bottom line: You enjoy FG in toto, you are a pervert. That is my opinion and in this case, my opinion is backed by facts, which I hope to help the FCC understand and take the proper legal action in order to take this despicable unspeakable revolting filth off the public airwaves forever.


Brett 6 years ago

I was actually going to voice my opinion, but now I'm afraid I will be deemed a thoughtless, perverted pig just for liking the show.

While I respect your opinion, Hal, I also strongly disagree. I am catholic, I'm an animal-lover, and while I was appalled by the cat mauling, I still find humor is the kind of character that Peter is. Simply watching it does not make me all the things you say the fans are- not in the least bit... but I can understand what might make you feel that way, and I respect your passion.

After all, I'm pretty passionate about animal-rights, and I've been known to go to extremes when it comes to Fur in fashion... just try to tone it down a bit. There is no need to bring yourself of your opinion down by being radical.


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

1) On my Hub I'll do whatever the hell I want and say whatever the hell I want. At least I don't make my living by mentally raping millions of children. I can't believe that you show up here defending Seth, the #1 criminal pervert degenerate in America today, and then tell me how to conduct my business and... tone it down. I have two words for you and they aint Happy Birthday.

2) Catholic and animal lover and you still "find humor"? Guess what. You're either a hypocrite or a liar.

Absolutely pathetic.


JS 6 years ago

It seems as though the humor implied in Family Guy is wasted on a large group of people who simply do not understand it. It transcends the literal interpretation of the jokes portrayed. The fact that Peter Griffin- in addition to many of the other characters- is an idiot legitimizes his antics. FG pokes fun at the ignorant people in this world as well as modern society as a whole, and anyone and everything is fair game. Anyone who sees the creator and writers as insensitive perverts are just not understanding the art form or the platforms and contexts of the jokes.

Furthermore, in response to the debate over the legality of the show’s network airing, the law has never been black and white. For that matter, no law has ever been clearly defined. The extent to which something is offensive or immoral is dependent on interpretation, and it is for that exact reason that we have courts, committees, and voting in this country. If it was up to one person to decide what is legal and what is deemed immoral, then we wouldn’t have much of a democracy.

My last point is a general one regarding the fact that society has always had trouble moving forward and accepting a more open view of the world and it is that backwards tendency that seems to be condemning FG. For instance, it was common thought in the 1920s that jazz music was corrupting the youth. We look back on that now and see how ridiculous it was to believe that a music style could affect the development of young people, yet people continue to make similar mistakes today, the criticism circulating FG being no exception to that.

The fact that I watch FG doesn’t make me any less intelligent or less sensitive and in some ways I would feel comfortable exposing my children to a show like this knowing that life experiences and education would be the definition of their character, not a cartoon. Personally I see Family Guy as a way to push through the taboos of today’s society and as a means of forcing us to examine ourselves and our shortcomings as a whole. It seems to me that a social introspection is the target of the show’s gags, more so than them being a mean-spirited, mindless way for Seth MacFarlane to promote a perverted agenda.


Doug 6 years ago

You do realize " The Good Book" has sex, violence, pedophelia, nudity, murder, rape, incest, anti-semetic nature, as well as other things that you are criticizing Seth McFarlane on. Do realize that your beliefs are protected under the first amendment as our mine. I can see your worry for humanity and what television portrays. You need to realize though that the lack of parenting is more responsible. Bad economy leads to more parents working longer hours. Discipline not being shown properly and a lack of proper education do more evil then a tv show. Your beliefs are archaic and your kinds fear of knowledge that will sever the sinew of faith and cast light on the fact that it is an outdated crutch IS a problem. EVOLVE..Grow..Family Guy may have some silliness and crude humor but do not say in is unintelligent. How many shows do you know that have mentioned Benjamin Disraeli? Name one that is not on Pbs or has Alex Trebek...


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

Thanks for your opinions. They are wrong. I am right. Seth should never see the outside of a prison cell. Thank you for your comments.


Hals Right 6 years ago

In a recent episode,Stewie(the baby)and Brian(the dog)got trapped in a locked bank vault. MacFarlane and company were able simultaneously incorporate the following subjects into one scene: beastiality, pedarism or (pedophilia), homosexuality and scatology. Quite an accomplishment for Seth.


DramaMama 6 years ago

Forgive me if this comment (or a similar one) has been made...I didn't read all of the posts. But here is my two cents.

Are you familiar with the absurdist school of thought? Basically it is an artistic movement that is based on the ideal that life and everything in it is absurd - we are all going to end up the same way...six feet under...so all of the things we think are life-altering and dwelled upon are just silly.

Seth MacFarlane is an absurdist, and a great one. We literally have to laugh to keep from crying, and that is what he does.

If you look through classical literature you will find crued jokes everywhere - Shakespeare and Chaucer were full of inappropriate material. Even the Greeks, considered by many to be the greatest playwrights in history, wrote satyr plays which were X-rated sex comedies in which actors wore three-foot phalluses for comedic relief. They wrote these because the audience needed a break after watching heavy, soul-crushing tragedies. Again, this is why Family Guy, as well as other extreme comedies, are so popular. Our world is full horror, and we have to laugh to keep from crying.

Let me also say that I am a parent. I have two young kids. And despite what has been said by some, yes I do know what my kids are watching at all times. That is because I limit not only what they watch but how much they watch. They do not have free access to media.....they have a dvd player in their room, their own dvds which have been screened by me, and they are only allowed to watch them at certain times.

So, while my kids watch Dora and Diego or something of the like, I will watch Family Guy and laugh until I cry.


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

I would rather compare Attila The Hun, Vlad The Impaler, or Jeffrey Dahmer to the great literary minds than MacFarlane, who is an opportunist, a pervert, a sadist, and a degenerate swine who is a disgrace to our country and our race. Cry when you watch FG and shed your tears for the death of the ethics of decency and the waning of the morality of humanity.


Andrew Barton 5 years ago

Steve, look at the people who say they like Family Guy, like spryte, they use their words and respect other peoples' opinion. So does Hal, he realizes everyone is entitled to their own opinion, you are too. My problem with your comments are that you try to force you opinion on others. I believe that Seth MacFarlane should have died on Flight 11 on 9/11, but that is my opinion. So if you want to discuss your opinion like a civilized adult, and not like a child, I'm 14 by the way, you can, your comments should not be deleted if you talk in a civilized manner.

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