How do you figure out if a belief is true or not?

The nature of truth itself

Stepping off the plane in a winter rain as a self described 'fellow traveller', he was here to soak up the vibe,
Stepping off the plane in a winter rain as a self described 'fellow traveller', he was here to soak up the vibe,
 to witness the change in the most obese nation in the world, the nation with the empty beaches and endless parks, the next day, , in one of them he found..
to witness the change in the most obese nation in the world, the nation with the empty beaches and endless parks, the next day, , in one of them he found..
a middle aged businessman sweating there to loose his extra weight under the watchful eye of his personal trainer.
a middle aged businessman sweating there to loose his extra weight under the watchful eye of his personal trainer.
His mobile rang and he picked it up shouting angrily that he wants to change the menu of his prepared party for a hundred guests, he doesn't care if food is already made and go to waste, he pays and wants something else with less sugar and fat
His mobile rang and he picked it up shouting angrily that he wants to change the menu of his prepared party for a hundred guests, he doesn't care if food is already made and go to waste, he pays and wants something else with less sugar and fat
The trainer, a vegan by choice with holistic training under his belt, reassured the man that one night doesn't mean anything if he is not ready to change his whole lifestyle accordingly..
The trainer, a vegan by choice with holistic training under his belt, reassured the man that one night doesn't mean anything if he is not ready to change his whole lifestyle accordingly..
The fellow traveller watched a close-range encounter between two men driven by conflicting codes of honour and decency.
The fellow traveller watched a close-range encounter between two men driven by conflicting codes of honour and decency.
Both Australian men of similar age, conservative, generally consistent about their core values and their respect for traditional authority and uncertain about radical change.
Both Australian men of similar age, conservative, generally consistent about their core values and their respect for traditional authority and uncertain about radical change.
Julian Cribb, a former scientist, he wrote his book: 'The coming famine: The Global Food Crisis and What We Can Do to Avoid It.' He approached them with the question he came here to ask.
Julian Cribb, a former scientist, he wrote his book: 'The coming famine: The Global Food Crisis and What We Can Do to Avoid It.' He approached them with the question he came here to ask.
"Do you fear that we run out of our food supply?"  The men stopped on their track unsure what to think, while Julian added that the food system is already creating misery for the poor.
"Do you fear that we run out of our food supply?" The men stopped on their track unsure what to think, while Julian added that the food system is already creating misery for the poor.
"It's not our problem, mate," the businessman waved his hand. The trainer smiled politely: " We eat too much here and people pay their price."
"It's not our problem, mate," the businessman waved his hand. The trainer smiled politely: " We eat too much here and people pay their price."
"Maybe you would be happy to hear then, that by the middle of this century the world will be unable to feed itself unless there are radical changes to agriculture, land and water usage..."
"Maybe you would be happy to hear then, that by the middle of this century the world will be unable to feed itself unless there are radical changes to agriculture, land and water usage..."
"Good news for us then, no more problems with being overweight," laughed the businessman cheerfully.
"Good news for us then, no more problems with being overweight," laughed the businessman cheerfully.
 It is the biggest challenge we face because it is even more immediate than climate change, Julian added  urgently.
It is the biggest challenge we face because it is even more immediate than climate change, Julian added urgently.
"Modern diet has to change," the trainer said in agreement with Julian, "and the way modern cities recycle resources, there is so much waste."
"Modern diet has to change," the trainer said in agreement with Julian, "and the way modern cities recycle resources, there is so much waste."
Julian smiled broadly: "Precisely..."  "Lady Gaga's concert tonight," the businessman chipped in, "she has her famous meat dress on, no danger of not enough meat there, ha,ha, ha."
Julian smiled broadly: "Precisely..." "Lady Gaga's concert tonight," the businessman chipped in, "she has her famous meat dress on, no danger of not enough meat there, ha,ha, ha."
"And look at that endless mass media food advertisements," the trainer pointed the finger at him: " There is more food not less."
"And look at that endless mass media food advertisements," the trainer pointed the finger at him: " There is more food not less."
"As things stand," Julian sighed impatiently,"we will probably lose about a quarter of our food supply in the next few decades when the world's population will grow from 7 billion to 10 billion."
"As things stand," Julian sighed impatiently,"we will probably lose about a quarter of our food supply in the next few decades when the world's population will grow from 7 billion to 10 billion."
But both men had already lost interest in his prophecy concentrating on their more immediate concern, how to survive in the world of food over-supply...
But both men had already lost interest in his prophecy concentrating on their more immediate concern, how to survive in the world of food over-supply...
The same evening in a pouring rain struggling to get through the Lady Gaga's  fans, many dressed in 'made home' meat clothes, he boarded the plane again and left the country of the most obese people who don't believe in incoming famine...
The same evening in a pouring rain struggling to get through the Lady Gaga's fans, many dressed in 'made home' meat clothes, he boarded the plane again and left the country of the most obese people who don't believe in incoming famine...
 and what about you, what do you believe, where do you stand?
and what about you, what do you believe, where do you stand?

Human beings are gregarious

conformist

and suggestible,

why else

would they

spontaneously

adopt

inarticulate idioms

picked up

from the media,

shouted in their ears

every day.





The same phrases

that sounded so incomprehensible

and suddenly

with every repetition

unbelievable

becomes

believable.





And why do we

do

more dangerous

things

such as adopting

fantastic ideas,

populist prejudices

and simplistic

political ideologies?



Why, in fact,

do individuals

want to give up

their independence

and become

part of a mass?






Perhaps it is too much

of an effort

a responsibility

to stand on your own feet,

take the trouble

to find out

what you really believe.





We just like to be alike,

likeness

in the deepest sense

of the word

doesn't consist

in the photographic

accuracy

with which we note

every mole

or age blemish

but in the overall sense

of a movement

and life

within the person,

in capturing

that impression

of a living human being.





We can recognise

a friend

even from behind

and in the distance

from their stance

and their gait,

do we really

want to believe

what they believe in

for their sake?




Looking

at the dark

silhouetted

trees

that emphase

the depth of space,

I am as well

searching

for the metaphor,

for the depth

in the unkown

surrounded by shadows

of long passed associations,

based on memory

it is as though

observation

and experience

that have been concentrated

through the passing years,

are just files

in my head

neatly compacted

ready to be recalled

flavoured

by my imagination

to form the belief

I want to believe in.






We need to believe,

we like to believe

shadowing the beliefs

of fellow human beings

without losing touch

with the world

we rely on our spontaneity

and authenticity

and repeat

the inarticulate idioms

shouted by those

with the strongest voice,

instead

we should separate them

from the familiar faces

those idioms of supposed truth

we trust without doubt

they should be looked at

in silence

listening only

to our own mind and heart....






"Knowledge is opportunity,"

2011 Physics

Noble Prize winner

Brian Schmidt

likes to repeat.

He found more than 50 supernovas

whose light was weaker

than expected

which suggested

the expansion of the universe.

Incredibly,

Albert Einstein

reached the same conclusion in 1917

but then thought

it must be wrong,

there was just not enough evidence

to confirm his belief.




Fearing that his constant quest

for answers

to such cosmic mysteries

may consume him,

Brian creates his own way

how to look at things.

He is still hungry

to unlock more answers,

but also knows

it is journey

rather than destination

that counts.

He travels with open mind

to look for anything

his direction

and point of view

depends

what he finds

along the way.

That is how science work,

he finally said.





Is it possible to believe

that our beliefs

should form in the same way?

Is it possible to believe

that our belief system

is an open road

with new logical conclusions,

with new arguments

based on well researched evidence

with new points of view

with never ending quest for answers?



Is it possible to believe

that our beliefs are true

only until someone prove them wrong?




You are not sure

what to believe any more?

You are on the right path

to find the truth.

Your road is full of bends

and never ends,

my fellow traveller,

you often loose the track

but there is no return,

you are tired and stuck

and grab

for the 'ready made doctrines'

the closed in answers

that provide an immediate relief

but no way out.

Empty your luggage

of those unnecessary things

and struggle on,

your know now

you don't need to have answers,

you just need to keep looking....




When you meet by chance

fellow travellers

on that bumpy road

feel their heartbeat

and offer a friendly hand,

but resist

to follow their footsteps

so easily visible

in the sand,

make your own...





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Deborah Brooks profile image

Deborah Brooks 4 years ago from Brownsville,TX

this is so full of dept and true menaing.. sharing on facbook

debbie


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yoginijoy 4 years ago from Mid-Atlantic, USA

Is belief the same as faith in your poem? Sometimes faith or hope is just as strong or maybe stronger. I loved your poem and the photographs are just beautiful!


whowas 4 years ago

Beata,

If this is in answer to my question then I'm humbled and delighted. It is an awesome one.

I absolutely adore what you do and how you do it. You are brilliant. A star.

Thank you.


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JimMiles 4 years ago from Orlando, FL

Wonderful.


Larry Wall 4 years ago

Excellent.

We have all heard, follow the crowd, don't rock the boat, go with the flow, don't be a troublemaker, the masses can't be wrong and a thousand other cliches.

If more people read your hub, the might figure out that a lot of the good things about our lives and the result of people not going with the flow or doing something just because we always have.

You given people a lot to think about.


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RandombyBabbles 4 years ago from Houston,TX

I agree with Larry.

I think people don't like thinking for themselves because it's easier than coming up with their own ideas in a society that does not encourage the youth to question the nature of our consumerist system..but instead rewards the empty efforts for people to follow trends and become "cool"


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flashmakeit 4 years ago from usa

Great poem it is awesome to experiment with beliefs, make theories and than comes the real facts that can be proven.


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you, my fellow travellers on a quest to find the truth, I have to apologize, I have published it before it was finished, maybe you don't mind to come back and read some more:)

Dear yoginijoy to answer your question:

BELIEF for me means acceptance as true, credence, in religion it is body of teaching

FAITH for me means surpporting a cause or ideal, in religion it is formal statement of religious beliefs. I have written a hub about faith in the past, maybe you would like to read it as well: http://hubpages.com/literature/In-a-world-where-ev...

But, as I said before, what I believe is truth, doesn't need to be truth, you can prove me easily wrong, I am fully aware that beliefs and faith are closely interrelated in people's mind:)


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Pamela-anne 4 years ago from Kitchener, Ontario

We must try and believe in ourselves and find our individual beliefs not necessarily going with the crowd but making ones own footprints in the sand. take care pam.


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shara63 4 years ago from Delhi

simply wonderful !....revealing the truth of hypocrisy and how we are duped so easily by imposing others ideas & beliefs on us...thus blocking the scope for us to explore and others maintain their monopoly!

To move on is life and to stop is dead..so moving on with our heads up and on is wise than to sheepishly follow others path !


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you, my fellow hubbers, your words beautifuly illustrate my poem, thanks again:)


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picklesandrufus 4 years ago from Virginia Beach, Va

Love this piece. So much more is learned on the road less taken. Thinking independently has become a thing of the past for many people...thank goodness for those who simply choose not to follow! vote up


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rfmoran 4 years ago from Long Island, New York

Beautiful and thought provoking.


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alancaster149 4 years ago from Forest Gate, London E7, U K (ex-pat Yorkshire)

Be bold, be innovative... But watch out - don't get too clever, and be choosy about your beliefs (they might be the wrong ones)!


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liftandsoar 4 years ago from Richmond, VA

Beautiful piece and thought provoking. Is one's belief system something of our own making? Might something be absolutely true but not satisfying? If so, what do we make of it?


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TKs view 4 years ago from The Middle Path

Hello, Beata. I haven't been around much of late but am quite pleased to have dropped in on this insightful poem of yours.

It is indeed easier to not think for yourself or feel what is in the heart. Thank goodness there are people like you that don't let us get to comfortable in the sea of white-noise that passes for culture these days.

Well done.


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you, my fellow hubbers for your insightful and progressive comments that like a river keep running from its inspiring source. There are many questions asked and no answers to be given, we just need to keep looking.... you are right 'alancaster' we know nothing and our beliefs, they are right only until proved wrong:)


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Gypsy Rose Lee 4 years ago from Riga, Latvia

Voted up for sure. Dance you own dance, sing your own song, be who you are and only true to yourself don't worry what others think. You said it so well. Enjoyed your poem. Passing it on.


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kj force 4 years ago from Florida

Beata Stasak...nice written hub, very true words...I guess we a humans have to weigh the pro's and con's of what we are told by media/society etc...believe what we want to believe..we only live once ( as us ) I do believe in reincarnation to a point....


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Fennelseed 4 years ago from Australia

People tend to look for answers and conclusions. They tend to want to wrap things up as explained, before moving onto the next issue, thought, debate. Nothing seems to get us Australians going more than a murder mystery and how quick are we to jump on the trial by media wagon and have someone drawn and quartered because of nothing more than media hype and the resulting consensus by numbers. I am not a go with the flow person, rather I am the little rock that creates little eddies. I like your thoughts very much, thank you for sharing them and your beautiful images. My votes to you and sharing.


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you my fellow hubbers for your kind words and a beautiful addition to my thoughts, keep hubbing and keep be true to yourself and your words:)


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B. Leekley 4 years ago from Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA

I agree with the points your hub makes. Up, Useful, Interesting, and shared with followers and on Facebook, Twitter, and Pinterest.


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kreatis20 4 years ago from Slovenia

When you will meet with Jesus Christ - then you will figure out that He is true and others are false! I was there - on the both sides of the bridge, so I know what I write...


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you B.Leekley for your kind response, happy my hub was useful for you. Thank you kreatis20 for your honest response, we all have different experiences and it is good to share it but it is also good that each of us may experience the same thing and yet we may interpret it differently...if we respect each other in spite of that, than we really figure out what is true and what is false:)


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Wayne Brown 4 years ago from Texas

Common sense is a low-hanging fruit and most abundant in our world if we observe others. The Lord gave us a brain and the power to reason. Toss common sense into the mix and one has a litmus test of life and all that affects it. It is simply a matter of attitude. You covered a lot of ground with this verse...good work! WB


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you so much, WB, your wonderful insight into this difficult subject as well as your kind praise of my work means a lot to me:) All the best in your writing and hubbing:) B


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manatita44 4 years ago from london

Taste it.


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

thank you, Manatita, hope your taste is good:)


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manatita44 4 years ago from london

Working on it. You know, climbing the mango tree which is sturdy, slippery and so tall, takes lifetimes. The Bodhisattva is swift of foot and reaches the top. He takes the mango and shows it. He says, "This is a mango." Then he offers, "Have a slice" Perhaps I have seen the slice but not yet tasted it. Pray for me.


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Happy to do that, manatita, but I am not different to you, my dear fellow hubber, because I have tasted it not...


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Of course not, mehmet, just find your own way of believing, there is no right way or wrong way...just the way that suit you:)


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mandarmk9 4 years ago from Ratlam, India

Beata,

Amazing poem. The photos were breathtaking.

We need to believe,

we like to believe

shadowing the beliefs

of fellow human beings.

Amazing Job.

:) Mandar


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

thank you, Mandar, we follow each other shadow, we follow the footsteps of those who walk there before us....and maybe just maybe we add something as well to the knowledge of the past:)


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joer4x4 4 years ago from Philadelphia, PA

We must all create our own foot prints in the sand for soon the ones we follow are distorted by others following the same path.

As we perceive, so do we believe.


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

You have wrapped it up very nicely, Joe, thank you:)


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endless sea 4 years ago from Lucknow(U.P.) India

awesome! believe is indeed what our mind make us think, we may be wrong sometimes and we leave our prints behind on our rods so that people coming after us might know what we achieved after our believes!! We just have to make sure we leave foot prints on a cemented floor but not on sand, cause cemented prints will be there forever unscathed and original while the prints on sand will be covered with sand and might misguide you sometimes :)


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

thank you 'endless sea' for your inspiring answer, I think at this stage and age we walk mostly on a cemented surface, however we hurry too much and move in crowds so how these cemented prints define us only time can tell:)


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

thank you 'endless sea' for your inspiring answer, I think at this stage and age we walk mostly on a cemented surface, however we hurry too much and move in crowds so how these cemented prints define us only time can tell:)


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manningnd 4 years ago

We are taught at an early age... sit down shut up memorize these "facts" and regurgitate them on this test and you'll be fine. After years of that kind of conditioning that's all people want to do as adults; sit down listen to the media and repeat whatever you agree with. If an opinion is not represented in the media it is obviously not worth looking into.

Love your style, will follow.


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Becky Bruce 4 years ago from San Diego, CA

This is awesome! I love the way you paint the world... so real


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you, 'manningnd' and Becky, happy you like my style, I just can not write any other way:) All the best with your hubbing and living:) B


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dianetrotter 4 years ago from Fontana

How clever and interesting. It's like the pathway of logic to critical thinking.


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

That sound to sophisticated, my dear fellow hubber, I feel very honoured by your description and thank you for stopping by. I am very happy your visit was worthwhile:)


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dianetrotter 4 years ago from Fontana

Thank you Beata!


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Rosyel Sawali 4 years ago from Manila, Philippines

Very nicely written! I like the way you presented it! ^_^


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you, Rosyel, happy you find the time to stop by:)


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Robert Kernodle 4 years ago

Hi,

I read your fan mail and visited your hubpages place. Yours is a very creative approach to presenting a hubpages article.


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you, Robert, I am a teacher of Art and have studied creative writing in the past, so my profession and my interest blends in, but I believe that it is not important what form you choose to use, the important is if you have something to say:)


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Claudia Marie 4 years ago

Very Creative! As shown in your work, it is not wise to believe everything you hear, it is very important to thoroughly investigate matters, It reminds me of a noble minded group of people called Beroean's who carefully examined matter as to whether these things were so.

Reference: The Book of Acts Chapter 17:11


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you, dear Claudia for finding your time to stop by and also for your reference, it always amazes me how many people follow my thread of thoughts and add to it something valuable along the way...our thread will soon be long enough to circle our earth:)


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visionandfocus 4 years ago from North York, Canada

Profound idea beautifully expressed. So many of us, as children, download beliefs from our parents and find, later in life, that they are limiting our experience of the world. So often these beliefs are merely opinions and outlooks on life and not truth with a capital T. The good news is that these limiting beliefs can be transformed and transmuted to ones that serve us. The hardest part is the first step--that of rooting them out. But once we open ourselves to the possibility of change, nothing is impossible. :)


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you, my dear new fellow hubber for visiting me and leaving this beautiful comment for us to read:) All valuable journeys start with the first step...and you are on your way...way ahead of many of us:)


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Highland Terrier 4 years ago from Dublin, Ireland

Very interesting and certainly a great deal for us to think about. The hub creates a thought process that will not leave our minds any way soon. Indeed I will thinking about this for a quite a long time.

Thank you.

I am looking forward to reading the rest of your hubs


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you, my fellow hubber for stopping by and leaving your meaningful and encouraging comment. The reason I write is often because I can not get some ideas out of my mind, the process of writing helps me to consolidate my thinking processes, although I don't necessary come to any conclusion, somehow the picture becomes clearer and often becomes a springboard for other hubbers to chip in their ideas....I love this writing collaboration:)


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susansisk 4 years ago from Georgia, USA

So much to think about...great writing, and could be made into a song. Love the photos, too.


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you Susansisk, pity I am not a songwriter, ha,ha...but if some great singer came along I would love to write it as a song for him/her:)

Lovely to meet you on the hubpages and all the best:) B


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triciajean 4 years ago from Bantam, CT

This hub is lovely and true. My favorite phrase is "shadowing the beliefs

of fellow human beings." You have describe this tendency well.


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you, triciajean for you encouraging comment and all the best with hubbing, living and believing...whatever it is worth believing:) B


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vveasey 3 years ago from Detroit,MI

Hi Beata Stasak

glad to meet cha!

You're very poetic

maybe

you yourself

are a lovely poem

Belief can be beautiful

So

can truth

Belief can be bad

so

can truth

Belief can kept you hanging on

So can truth

Sometimes it's better believe

than

to know the truth

Sometimes it's better to

know the truth

than to believe

It's the Yin/Yang

of

Belief and Truth

Thanks for the fan mail

I'll be returning the favor

Dig ya later


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Beata Stasak 3 years ago from Western Australia Author

Great methaphorical poem on the truth/belief..heads or tails choices of life...love it, hope you dig me later and send some more, ha,ha:) Thanks mate for stopping by, happy you find it useful:) B


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Beata Stasak 3 years ago from Western Australia Author

So beautiful, mehmet, so profound...thank you for sharing this with me:) B


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skye2day 3 years ago from Rocky Mountains

Thanks for your lovely poem beata. There is so much emotion in your words. A very moving poem.

Everyone is searching. It is universal. We were created in the image of God. Until our heart is filled with the love of Christ the search continues on and on. Love is a choice we choose who we will follow. No one can fill the hole not stuff, things, government, education, money, husband, best friend, or work, vacations, therapists, religion. Only Jesus can fill the empty hole. John 14:6

Faith is the assurance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 There is only one true God, Amen. We are not it.

Merry Christmas to you and yours beata. God Bless!!!!!!!!


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Beata Stasak 3 years ago from Western Australia Author

Merry Christmas to you as well, dear 'skye2day' and thank you so much for stopping by and leaving your insightful comment:)


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daisyf1305 3 years ago from miami beach

beautiful I love the whole we need to believe I do believe...


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Beata Stasak 3 years ago from Western Australia Author

thank you, daisy, you are very kind...all the best to you:)


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christianesk 3 years ago from The Global Hamlet

On my second 22 oz and slowed down enough to properly appreciate this. "Inarticulate idioms," - ahh, I love this! Truth will withstand all questions, all analysis, therefore, if you are a true seeker, let not your doubting trouble you, for it should serve all the more to drive you to find Truth, and Truth is paramount!


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Beata Stasak 3 years ago from Western Australia Author

But what is truth, christianesk? There is billions of people and each of them seeks their own truth, many following footsteps of others in more conventional religious sense, some are just cynical and shape their own truth to accomodate their own needs and wants, some are looking for scientifiacally based evidence in everything and some are just free-minders forging their own path.....now which of the true seeker and which of their truth is the one....the universal one?


Graceland 24 months ago

Until I found this I thoghut I'd have to spend the day inside.


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Beata Stasak 24 months ago from Western Australia Author

Really???

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