How to Navigate through the Misuse of Religious Words - 1

One of the most important things in studying the Bible is learning the precise and accurate meanings of the words that are intended to convey a particular message. If a word is perceived to be something other than the intended definition, extreme error can result. There are thousands of religions that use Scripture as their authority, but each one has their own twist on a particular word that they base their doctrines upon.

It is of utmost importance to do a word study as it is quite common for people to use the same religious words, but they do not convey the meaning that God had inspired them to be. Many who are part of the Church system are conditioned to believe something other than the original intended meaning.

There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. - 2 Peter 3:16

Common Religious Words

For example, common religious words like “love” and “church” mean many different things to different people. It would be a misuse of the word to put it in a sentence being ignorant of the delineation from the source language in the context of its true form and meaning.

Most that have been indoctrinated their whole lives will have a hard time conceding that they have been hoodwinked into misusing language to support a corrupt religious system controlled by ecclesiastical men.

When we communicate, it is very important to convey the standard for the word meaning; otherwise, confusion will create an inaccurate understanding.

For example, the word “love” is a common biblical word used by many religious people, but they incorrectly use it in a sentence by saying, “You are not showing God’s love,” which in their context is a notion that what you are doing does not make them feel warm and fuzzy inside. What they fail to understand that there are four different kinds of love in Scripture, and agape love that is used predominantly throughout the New Testament has absolutely nothing to do with their personal feelings at all.

This should be a good example of a statement that means one thing to one person, but totally different to another who has studied the biblical standard the word “love” in the proper context to make the distinction between accuracy and deviation. Without a standard, words and their definitions can be twisted to mean just anything you want them to mean.

The building called Church.
The building called Church.

"Church"

Another example is the word “church.” It is a term that has caused many religious to speak from both sides of their mouth. The real problem is that that word “church” has usurped the true intended meaning of “ekklesia” derived from the Greek. Confusion arises when a word is used, but it resembles and pertains to something completely foreign to the biblical standard. In this case, the word “church” was part of the agenda of organized religion to replace “ekklesia.” Many do not know that the word "church" is a mistranslated word.

Deeper study into this particular word can be found in the links to the articles on the right. Please peruse them for further clarification.

When corrupted words are exposed for what they are, people become infuriated because they want to protect their religious man-made system that proselytizes that the “Kingdom of God” is found in their religious buildings called “synagogue” and “church.” When a word is perceived in a particular way and pushed from a different angle, the true intention of words becomes misplaced, replaced, or covered up in a cloak of deception.

Men throughout religious history have been murdered for exposing the hoaxes that are implanted into translated words. The modern Church system is steeped in the trap of religious confusion because they love to use the word “church.” The fact is, “church” does not mean “ekklesia,” and “ekklesia” does not mean “church.” The indoctrinated religious Church minion will speak from both sides of their mouth in their double-mindedness by saying in one breath that church is not a building, but the people. Then, when you ask them what church they go to, they will point to the sign above the doors of their precious building.

The building called Synagogue.
The building called Synagogue.

"Synagogue"

In the New Testament, the Greek word “synagogue” is used many times. During that time in history, a synagogue was simply an assembly of Jewish people in a religious sense, or otherwise. Just like the word “church,” “synagogues” have become synonymous with a religious building.

The apostasy of modern day religion creates religious organizations that are patterned from the corrupt nature of the Jewish synagogues (churches).

Today, “synagogue” does not work for the modern pew-warmer because it refers to the Jewish establishment, and “ekklesia” does not work because it refers to Christ’s Kingdom. When man wants to be in charge, "church" (kurikos) is deemed the best definition in an attempt to usurp "ekklesia."

When we use words that mean something other than what God has meant them to mean, the language will then communicate and proselytize the principles of Satan that are based on the traditions of man.

Words have been twisted throughout history to promote a pagan and heathen concept called “Church.” The first century followers of Jesus Christ were not about building fancy structures called “synagogues” and “churches,” but about establishing a community of believers called the “ekklesia” where Jesus Christ was the Head, not to conforming to some religious bureaucratic hireling that demands blind obedience in a structured environment.

There is no command in Scripture to go out and build churches, attend them, form a hierarchical government, and support the entity in religious ritual.

Central Government

The pew warming Christians will have a hard time grasping the true meanings of the words they love to use. They have been brainwashed in church propaganda rather than studying Kingdom principles.

Those bound to the slavery within spiritual Babylon are not able to move beyond the idea of not having a central government. If one type doesn’t work, they create another "prison" system to replace it. The whole concept needs to be cut out at the root. When people stop submitting to a slave system, the host will eventually die. When Christ returns, the indulgent church hirelings and their spoiled lemmings will be done away.

Slavery and freedom are two entirely different systems based on completely different principles.

A natural community is not about having "church" control, but about independence and freedom in Christ without human kings (pastors) trying to run everything themselves within an institutional corporate structure.

Many fail in their understanding of the difference between leading and ruling. One is about family, and the other is about control. One is about the government of the Kingdom of God manifested through Jesus Christ, and the other is the central religious government system of man through Satan.

The Beast System

The system of Babylon is a corporate beast where the Great Harlot rules over the kings of the earth. In similar manner, the Church systems portrays itself to be of Christ, but in their actions are bound to the Beast system.

Jesus Christ said that he would build his Ekklesia.

What does this look like for someone coming out of the harlot church system?

It is simply de-institutionalizing and de-organizing from the program of being herded around by the whims of religious officials. It is no longer having a lemming mentality mindlessly nodding your head and saying amens as a good conforming slave should do. It is no longer about following the rules and regulations of ambitious hirelings that are only out to benefit themselves.

The message of the Kingdom of God and its application to the followers of Christ does not look like the way the world in doing things. The difference between the wheat and the tares is a difference of the Ekklesia and the Church. One group will enter the Kingdom of God and the other is simply storehouse for dead branches.

The opiate of the masses has glossed the eyes of the pew warmer swallowed up in the "synagogues" and "churches" of men.

Get out while you still can. Jesus Christ never mandated “churches,” nor does he want them. Jesus Christ came to give liberty, freedom and independence from them.

The products of Babylon have murdered many men of God for standing on the truth because they will not allow themselves to being brainwashed in their their system that demands a piece of land to erect a building to practice their idolatry where a master is appointed over the slaves demanding finances to keep his business going.

The Ekklesia
The Ekklesia

The Ekklesia

Those who are among the Ekklesia are well aware that "church" is a misnomer meant to confuse and neutralize people from using the gifts that God has given them. When Jesus told Peter that the gates of hell would not prevail against the Ekklesia, he was not lying. They are alive and well today, but you will not find them partaking in a religious system that taxes, controls and plunders people.

Those who do NOT partake in their religious rituals are hated by the religious officials and their lemmings because they walk a different path that does not conform to affiliating, supporting, listening to, depending upon the idolatrous practices of the "church."

Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” – Matthew 11:28-30

The Jesus Christ of the New Testament had no temples, shrines or palaces, but went out and preached the words that his Father gave to him. The principles of the Kingdom of God put into action by the followers of Christ are considered “anarchy” by those in church government because it defies their coveted elevated hierarchical positions. These men will refuse to give them up and let Christ lead; they will fall when the Beast falls.

You see, true liberty in Christ is considered “anarchy” to those within the Church system because it points to giving up man’s control over others.

The gospel of the Kingdom is about declaring a different king and a different kind of government. The "Church" will call it “treason,” and history attests to those who have been persecuted, imprisoned, beaten and murdered for it. Anyone who stands in way of the religious elite pacifying their slaves with their propaganda are considered the enemy.

The mystery of the Gospel of the Kingdom is about finding liberty. The "Church" minion will have no concept of true liberty by playing the "church" game with their endless nonsensical routines in the agenda of the antichrist beast system.

True liberty is found in Jesus Christ and is awaiting all of those who would heed the call to come out of the harlot system.

Those among the Ekklesia be encouraged!

The “rock” on which God would build His Ekklesia is through Jesus Christ on the principle that he (NOT the organized system of Church) would teach us this directly with words that are not tampered with.

Please peruse Part 2 of this theme that continues to explore the religious words, terms and phrases that are used by many.

How to Navigate through the Misuse of Religious Words - Part 2


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Oztinato 17 months ago from Australia

People gather in groups for social reasons and to organise and budget etc. Its not that bad.

Are you a loner?


graceinus 17 months ago from those of the Ekklesia

Oztinato- He is not a loner and I totally agree with this article.


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Oztinato 17 months ago from Australia

There are some good points in this Hub of course.

But what is the alternative?

Its either no group activity (being a "loner") or being with a group of others.


graceinus 17 months ago from those of the Ekklesia

Oztinato- The answer to your question is in this Article, but your carnal mindness blinds you from seen it.


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Oztinato 17 months ago from Australia

As I said there are some good points made in this Hub.

However I still need to know if you belong to some kind of group as well.


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Rich kelley 17 months ago from The Ekklesia

Many that might agree that the institutional church system is wrong look for something similar but right. Problem is that if you are going to use anything from mans religion in an attempt to draw closer to God you will fail. It is God's way or the highway so to speak.

A grown up person doesn't like to be told it is my way or none at all. (could be why we are to come as little children) Look how many people are offended by the statement "the only way to God is through His Son Jesus Christ". Man doesn't like conflict or arguments so we have those that say it is all the same God. I say as scripture does that if the God you believe in doesn't have a Son named Jesus then you are following the wrong God.

Today most people believe that Jesus is God and that also is an incorrect teaching of man and not from scripture. Yet thousands gather in their buildings perpetuating all these false teachings of man to their destruction. Today as long as the music is good and the story from the pulpit sounds good things are good. Continue putting the money in the plate and continue to be lead in apostasy.

There is a remnant that is out there scripture shows them to always be there. They are a remnant because they are a VERY small number of the whole that are actually living the way God calls them to. As this article points out just because you are using the correct buzz words doesn’t mean they are being used correctly.

When you leave the religious system it is best to leave everything. Being called out of Babylon doesn't include bringing their practices with you. Being called out means you don't run with them anymore lest you partake of their sins. This article is needed by many to explain how the words seem right yet the differences. Problem is that what God wants changed is our behavior not our definitions of words to justify our behavior.

Thanks for the teaching Aaron


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Oztinato 17 months ago from Australia

I read more about it and it is a loose community of believers without a church building. Correct?

When the church was young people met in homes but as numbers increased churches were constructed. Is that it?


graceinus 17 months ago from those of the Ekklesia

Oztinato- You seemed to be hooked on the word "church." Which is the blindness I'm talking about. I suggest you conduct a indepth study of the word "church" AND an indepth study of the word "Ekklesia" (ecclesia). Study and research these two words for youself. You'll soon realize there NOT the samething.

The word Ekklesia can be found in Greek text as far back a 500 BCE. That's 500 years before Jesus was even born. Therefore the word church could not have existed 500 years before the birth of Jesus. So how did the word ecclesia become church. Therefore the word church for the meaning of ekklesia is wrong. Find out for youself "when" the word ekklesia was first "MISTRANSLATED" in the bible as "church." This is the kind of thing this article is trying draw peoples attention to. How words have been abused by the "church" system and people are accepting it without question. As long as people remain focused on what they consider to be "the true church" (which all churches believe "Theirs" is the true church) and their false teachings, then they will never seek the Kingdom of God.

To answer your question

The ekklesia are those past and present who are citizens of the Kingdom of heaven who follow(ed), as disciples, the teachings of Jesus Christ. As opposed to those you see today who are "members" of a church (any man made church) who get spoon fed false doctrine from the pulpit.


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PlanksandNails 17 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Ozintano,

((("When the church was young people met in homes but as numbers increased churches were constructed. Is that it?")))

No it is not it all. I am a bit confused why you use the word "church" in your comment. It shows that you did not read the article, or you do not understand it.

I have written many articles on the subject that you can find on my profile page as well as many of the links that I posted within this article that make distinctions between the Church system and the Ekklesia using Scripture as the standard.

((("People gather in groups for social reasons and to organize and budget etc. Its not that bad. Are you a loner?")))

Your statement is all too common, but I will bite.

If we belong to Jesus Christ, we belong to the Ekklesia (a spiritual organism). It is a life in Jesus Christ where communication with him is as active as we want it be anyplace, anywhere and anytime. It is about having an encounter with God's word of salvation. It is a spiritual family of equals living in trusting obedience to him. It is not ordered by the wills and laws of men, but led solely by the Holy Spirit. The Ekklesia are not about religious man-made central governments and their constitutions with their human motivations and actions.

If you are looking for social processes, patterns and forms you will not find them because the less structure and organization gives greater room for the Holy Spirit to move. Any other way hampers the free action of God's Word.

The Church system constrains people in structures, templates and dogma of organized religion.

The narrow road is not about having man-made patterned relationships.

If we take a look a Scripture and the men who chose to follow God, it was not easy. In fact, going against the lemming mentality meant rejection by many.

“I am become a STRANGER unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother’s children.” —Psalm 69:8

“Nevertheless, when the Son of Man cometh, WILL HE FIND FAITH on the earth?” —Luke 18:8

I really don’t think the narrow road is congested like many believe it to be as they partake in the Sunday rituals each week. The blindly feed off “ear candy” and then walk out the door and carry on down the broad road.

“Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and NARROW IS THE WAY, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.“ — Matthew 7:13-14

Those among the Ekklesia must shed the gloss and glitter of organized religion before they can follow Jesus Christ. Many in their families will reject them because they are caught up in the seduction of spiritual Babylon. Those among the Ekklesia trust in God even if there is no human companionship because God’s grace is sufficient.

“Be strong and courageous. Do not fear or be in dread of them, for it is the Lord your God who goes with you. HE WILL NOT LEAVE YOU OR FORSAKE YOU.” —Deuteronomy 31:6

Leaving organized religion will take people away from the fellowships of the religious social clubs. In our wilderness of loneliness we find the true Jesus and by his spirit gives us the desire to seek God in ways we find nowhere else.

“Fear thou not; FOR I AM WITH THEE: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.” — Isaiah 41:10

“Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: FOR THOU ART WITH ME; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.” — Psalm 23:4

As I stated in the article, churches are storehouse for dead branches. No one is willing to get off the comforts of their warm pews and carry the cross.

Following Jesus Christ and learning from him will require walking through many hardships, difficult decisions and enduring trials of all kinds. Most want the easy way; therefore, they gravitate like lemmings through the church doors and allow self-titled hirelings to take over their lives.

Noah was alone, although surrounded by his people. Many men like Abraham and Lot were set apart. God did not speak to them in the company of religious men in a building, but out in the wilderness. Moses was also set apart, and it was their desire to seek God that drove men like these away from the crowd.

You cannot hear God for yourself when you pay religious men to hear “God” for you.

Human companionship is a good thing, but walking with God in an ungodly and un-genertate world can lead to loneliness.

“So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.“ —Luke 14:33

“And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.” —Matthew 19:29


graceinus 17 months ago from those of the Ekklesia

PandN- This is another great article. It's sad to see that people don't get the point even when you try to spell it to them. But then again many don't want to. At the same time I don't believe your efforts are in vain. There are the few who understand what you are doing and do ask questions. There the few who do see the false church system for what it really is. And what to leave it. If even one will seek the Kingdom of God as a result of of your efforts, then it is well worth time and effort. This is the purpose of the ecclesia.

God Bless


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Oztinato 17 months ago from Australia

I have read about it and it is just another form of Christian community. Basing an entire group on one idea is not that noteworthy.


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PlanksandNails 17 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Ozintano,

(((I have read about it and it is just another form of Christian community. Basing an entire group on one idea is not that noteworthy.)))

According to the Greek defintion of ekklesia, your idea that it is another form of Christian community falls short.

It may not be noteworthy to you, but "ekklesia" is based on the teaching of Jesus Christ found in Scripture.

In you last comment you have used the word "church" and then you use "Christian community." Without applying a standard to religious words as stated in this article, I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Being among the Ekklesia identifies us with Jesus Christ who are a people that are called out.

Called out of what you may ask?

It is a calling out the ways of the world as we prepare to assemble before him when our King returns. Being call out is a separation that happens by heeding the call of our Lord and Saviour.

There is only one singular Ekklesia, but it is not confined to one particular place like the counterfeit church system. The assembly, or congregation will not physically manifest until Jesus Christ gathers all of his elect before him on the last day.

The calling out process of God’s elect are a remnant of scattered people throughout the world who are guided by the spirit of Christ till the building process of the Ekklesia comes to an end.

Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and THEY WILL GATHER HIS ELECT from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. – Matthew 24:30-31

The final gathering will be a culmination of all those who have heeded the call to come out of the system of the world. They will congregate, assemble and come together before the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

One of the easiest ways to differentiate between the “ekklesia” and the “church” is that one is called out of the world , and the other calls you into one of the millions counterfeit congregations called “churches.”

THEY ARE NOT OF THE WORLD, just as I am not of the world. – John 17:16

You could travel around the globe in search of the Ekklesia and you will not find the “congregation.” The reason is that the called out ones are spiritual organism that has not physically manifested yet. If you come across one of the brethren of the Ekklesia, they will be preaching the message of the Kingdom of God with the gifts God has given them to help build the body of Christ.

No building or piece of property was ever meant to contain the followers of Jesus Christ.

Yet the Most High DOES NOT DWELL in houses made by hands - Acts 7:48

The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, DOES NOT LIVE in temples made by man - Acts 17:48

Jesus Christ is the One Shepherd of his one flock. They are spiritually one with Jesus as he is with his Father. The Ekklesia know his voice and follow him in obedience because of their love for the Father. They have only one Shepherd (pastor) who is Jesus who leads, teaches and guides them in all things. They are all brothers and sisters (brethren) who have the same Father who have eternal life being born again by the Holy Spirit as a family member in the Father’s house.

The Ekklesia can only be seen from a Kingdom perspective and that is why many cannot “see” them because they are blinded. Those of the world look to physical things to affirm their “faith,” but their gospel with their man-made traditions is a vain endeavor. The Son of God is calling all who would heed his call to come out of the harlot system and enter through the narrow gate.

When we become a true disciple of Jesus Christ by learning form him, we become strangers in the world, as we are no longer citizens of it anymore, but citizens of a heavenly Kingdom. We are no longer blinded in the carnality of the worlds ways. Our sole purpose and directive changes to call others out of the world system to no longer conform to the ways of the evil one.

I DO NOT ASK THAT YOU TAKE THEM OUT OF THE WORLD, but that you keep them from the evil one. – John 17:15

But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and TO THE END OF THE EARTH.” – Acts 1:8

Our prerogative is to call others out while we are still here on the earth until and anticipate and be prepared for the great gathering at harvest time by the command of our King.

The false shepherds are thieves within the Church system calling those to come into their religious kingdoms that they have built for themselves. They preach their false gospels to the masses as they gobble their delicacies with delight. All those who enter are stored there up like dead branches awaiting their demise. These are the voices of the ecclesiastical men that indoctrinated masses choose to listen to.

I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture. THE THIEF COMES ONLY TO STEAL AND KILL AND DESTROY. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. – John 10:9-10

The voice that we choose to listen to has direct implication on our eternal destiny.

A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for THEY DO NOT KNOW THE VOICE OF STRANGERS.” – John 10:5

He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ So the servants said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ But he said, ‘No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, GATHER THE WEEDS FIRST AND BIND THEM IN BUNDLES TO BE BURNED, BUT GATHER THE WHEAT INTO MY BARN.’” – Matthew 13:28-30

The gathering of the weeds must come first before the great gathering of the Ekklesia. Our job is not to try to root out the evil of the word system, but call as many as we can out of the weed patches before harvest time comes.

The wheat in the barn is the time of the great gathering of the Ekklesia at the end of the age.

Those in the church system butcher verses in Scripture because they are blind to the true meanings of them, but those among the Ekklesia understand that this following verse is not about cherry-picking a verse to support the church system church, but anticipation of gathering before their King, NOT some hireling pastor.

And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, NOT NEGLECTING TO MEET TOGETHER (episynagōgēn), as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near. – Hebrews 10:24-25

Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered (episynagōgēn) together to him – 2 Thessalonians 2:1


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PlanksandNails 17 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Rich,

I agree, thanks for adding your thoughts and the encouragement.


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PlanksandNails 17 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Graceinus,

I'm finding the more religious people that I talk to speak the religious language of the harlot system. When I attempt to explain that the same sounding words that they use do not mean what they are intended to mean, they look at me with a disdainful look and parrot what their pastor has etched into their minds.

The message of Gospel of the Kingdom opposes the Church Kingdom message and that is why there will always be some pompous physical manifestation to contend with because they believe it is foolishness. In contrast, the poor, hurt, needy and lost find it Good News. Go figure!


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Michael-Milec 17 months ago

Congratulations planksandnails on very well composed article . Voted interesting.

As of a reader the words of Jesus Christ of Nazareth recorded in NT , one may raise an eyebrow , what the Master of the universe has to do with the "Yes" or "No" final question concluding the article. . . If He- the God and Jesus Christ have anything to do with the Holy Spirit, then they know the answer. Equally saints and sinners , we depend on HIS word and HIm only. In order to find peace with God and fellowship of oneness with Him, we begin and end within His word. Didn't Jesus say "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and we aill come to him and make Our home with him?!" He did say, and that is all what matters to Him and to His kingdom. He knows who are His because He dwells withing them regardless to what-kind of ekklesia they might belong. (They are One; we are One.) They are manifesting His presence in words and deeds everywhere they live and work all the time. .. This much I wanted to say for the sake of searchers, hungry souls for God and His righteousnes. Go to Jesus, read His word and talk to Him. Say outlod who you are what is your concern, what you have red in this article and be sure, He will give answer to you and tell you more then all our human wisdom could, because He loves you and wants you out of hell and out of any human control.

Peace with us.


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Oztinato 17 months ago from Australia

Are you sure this is not all just another excuse for religious intolerance and feelings of superiority?


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PlanksandNails 17 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Michael,

As followers of Jesus Christ, the word of God becomes our standard. Jesus said he would build his ekklesia, which means there can only be one kind. It is carnal man who desire many different brands and kinds of "ekklesia;" therefore, they change it to their liking. Christ is not divided, which means that any man who is the head over the people other than Jesus Christ are not part of the body of Christ.

What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” Is Christ DIVIDED? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? - 1 Corinthians 1:12-13

And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the HEAD of the body, the ekklesia - Colossians 1:17-18

Thank-you for the comment. It is appreciated.


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PlanksandNails 17 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Oztinato,

When you play the intolerant card, it is like a boomerang. When you flick it, it comes right back and hits you in the face.


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Oztinato 17 months ago from Australia

Planks

I accept your right to exist and believe stuff etc but not the "right" not to accept other Christian groups as legitimate. Intolerance of other relIgions is unchristian.

Therefore I am not at all intolerant of your beliefs but am only attacking the intolerant bit. Live and let live bro.


graceinus 17 months ago from those of the Ekklesia

Oztinato- Oh please quote ANY verse in the bible where Jesus was tolerant about anything. Or show me any verse in the Bible where Jesus taught on tolerance. As a matter of fact show me "ANYWHERE" in the bible where TOLERANCE of other religions is a subject of christian teaching. And don't twist or take verses out of context.


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Oztinato 17 months ago from Australia

Jesus used the story of the good samaritan (a man from another religion) to demonstrate what a true compassionate attitude is. This shows His great tolerance and deep appreciation for other relIgions. He was also tolerant of sinners as shown by His acceptance of publicans, prostitutes, tax collectors, Roman centurions etc. The list is endless.

Love and tolerance go together.


graceinus 17 months ago from those of the Ekklesia

Oztinato- That's where you are confused and wrong. The sins of the of publican, prostitutes, tax colleters, Roman Centurion and many others were not tolerated by Jesus. You see, Jesus paid for "their" sins on the cross. Their sins were not tolerated.


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Rich kelley 17 months ago from The Ekklesia

The story referenced about the Samaritan has nothing to do with tolerance this is trying to make the square peg fit in the round hole. these comments are an excellent example of what this hub is about.

The "certain man" that was mugged his religion is not known. The Samaritan showed "Splagchnizomai"; to have the bowels yearn, feel sympathy, to pity, to have compassion. No where are the actions of the Samaritan remotely "tolerant". The story was told by Jesus to get the religious folks trying to stump him to see who their neighbors were.

Leviticus 19:17-18 'You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him. You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.

Those that profess to be disciples of Jesus are to be corrected by the brethren, not tolerated. The first words of Jesus after the desert were REPENT, not tolerate. Disciples are to be like Jesus, all of Him.


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Oztinato 17 months ago from Australia

Forgivness, love, compassion etc all involve tolerance. The Samaritan was tolerant of others and JC was tolerant of poor sinners etc. Divine love is always tolerant of others failings. This is a basic truism.

The expression "suffer the children" means "to be tolerant of" the children.


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Rich kelley 17 months ago from The Ekklesia

If those professing to follow Jesus would repent instead holding on to whatever belief they have that allows them to continue in the same lifestyle as the rest of the unrepentant world the incorrect use of words wouldn't be needed.

It isn't the lack of tolerance of others but not accepting some thing in life that's wrong that is hard to swallow. With the professing church infected with the lets all get along attitude the "church" looks no different than the rest of the unrepentant world.

Here is a news flash world Jesus didn't give up his life so you could continue doing whatever you wanted to do. Yet the ones pointing the finger at the lack of tolerance have a small dictionary of terms they have invented to keep them in the sinful life they refuse to acknowledge and repent of.

You can’t serve the world and Christ yet the butchering of words and scripture to justify man's worldly beliefs continues as in the time of Christ.

Tolerating wrong is not love nor is it doing what is right. Truth is not basic as defined by man He is the truth and the light. His words and teaching give us truth not man's ideas mixed with some of His.

The Samaritan did what was right regardless of his religion. He might have not liked the man at all reading into the story to suit some wrong thing in your life isn't going to change it being wrong. Pointing out wrong isn't hate or lack of love like those still in a particular sin like to use as their defense.

Tolerance is a weak straw man for justification of a life style that will lead you to separation form the Kingdom of God. I did it my way is a song, live it and you will surely die.


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Oztinato 17 months ago from Australia

I gave several examples of tolerance including JCs tolerance of other religions, sinners and children. Compassion follows tolerance and leads to humanitarian service and teaching: all of which JC did. It is impossible to seperate tolerance from love and compassion.


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PlanksandNails 17 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Oztinato,

I simply don't believe in the same Jesus you do. Your Jesus is remade and refashioned into an ecumenical god of your own distorted imagination.

During Jesus' ministry as attested in Scripture, he confronted many of the religious pious. The fact is, you can throw out words like love, compassion, forgiveness, tolerance, etc.., but in the end they mean absolutely nothing to God at the expense of truth. Truth is intolerant of falsehood period.

We are to be tolerant of those things Christ is tolerant and intolerant of the things he was intolerant of. Jesus said few will enter the narrow gate of life, but many will pass through the wide door to destruction.

A politically correct "Jesus" that you believe in is about a "gospel" of tolerance wrapped in relative truth. This "gospel" is nowhere to be found in the pages of Scripture.

The tolerance you believe in is a compromise that comes from man's "wisdom."

Jesus did not tolerate sin and sinners, but called them to repentance out of agape love. He did not tolerate the doctrine of demons back then, nor does he tolerate the false doctrines that ring from the chapel bells today.

Jesus himself is the One who said that He is the only way to the Father.

I reject your cafeteria gospel that co-mingles with error in the name of tolerance.

(((Therefore I am not at all intolerant of your beliefs but am only attacking the intolerant bit.)))

You are blind to your self-refuting statements revealing that you don't even adhere to the "gospel" you believe in.

I'm not buying your grey philosophy, nor is anyone else here; therefore, your comments will no longer be tolerated.

Have yourself a great day.


Neil Braithwaite 16 months ago

@ Oztinato -

In case you don't have the time to research "church" history, here is a simple synopsis:

In historical perspective; by the late third century, the "Ekklesia" Christ said he would build had been transformed into a man-made hierarchical corporate religious institution and renamed "church." By the early fourth century church leaders had embraced the pagan apologist, sympathizer and Roman emperor Constantine in a colluded effort to stabilize the empire by positioning the growing Christian church as the "official" religion of Rome. From that point forward, history clearly shows that the burgeoning "Roman Catholic Church" was heavily influenced not only by the politics of their collusion with Rome and its emperors, but also by Greek philosophers and paganism as well. Rather than follow the teachings of Jesus and his Apostles by the guidance and direction of the Holy Spirit, the Roman Catholic Church fell prey to these alluring and powerful influences as they developed and implemented their man-made corrupt religious doctrines and creeds. At the direction of the Roman Catholic Church, Christ's Ekklesia was "officially" transformed into something that no longer resembled the biblical bride of Christ and what Jesus and his Apostles both lived and taught about the Kingdom of God. The official Church of Rome could now successfully espouse and defend its false teachings and doctrines and grow in number, power and stature while keeping all its members obedient and under their control by two specific means. First, the Catholic Church kept the written word of the bible out of the hands of the people/laity. And second, the Catholic Church used the threat of excommunication, banishment and even physical harm against any church member that did not adhere to their teachings and doctrines - with enforcement and punishment backed by the strong arm of their emperor leader and the Roman government. This arrangement between the church and state to keep order and control in the empire was strongly favored not only by emperor Constantine, but also the Church Bishops who benefited greatly by their new-found political connections to gain and wield power and influence over "their" church. This major development within Christ's Ekklesia was similar to what Jewish leaders had perpetrated on Judaism through their collusion with that same Roman government in Jesus' day. Jesus' long list of indictments against those Jewish leaders in Matthew 23 would not only have been applicable to the leaders of the new Roman Catholic Church then, but also to today's leaders of protestant and evangelical churches - which are both really nothing more than off-shoots of the Roman Catholic Church. Today in America you will be hard-pressed to find a protestant or evangelical church of any denomination or creed that doesn't adhere to basically the same corrupt Roman Catholic doctrines. These churches are also governed in a similar manor at the hands of powerful church "leaders" who have colluded with the government through a 501c3 IRS corporate contract which supersedes all biblical authority to the directives of the State.


graceinus 16 months ago from those of the Ekklesia

Neil- I believe most people who call themselves christians don't even realize just how much say so and control the government has over churches that have the 501 c3. Just like you won't hear church clergies of churches that have the 591 c3 speak out against the new law on gay marriage. They will keep their mouth closed on this subject because they don't want to lose their 501 c3 tax status. Also they will not speak out against the president and other officials who supports this new law for the same reason. Have you notice not one church has spoken out against it. ALL of these church clergies are cowards and greedy. The Catholic's, JW, SDA, Mormons, Baptist and all the rest are bunch of greedy cowards.


Neil Braithwaite 16 months ago

graceinus - When the Ekklesia becomes unequally yoked with the world nothing good can ever be expected. That's why Jesus didn't organize an institution and you won't find anything remotely similar to what is called "church" today in the NT.


graceinus 16 months ago from those of the Ekklesia

Neil- You are right, thanks

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