I don't have enough faith to be an atheist, the gay agenda, and abortion.

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New: Another powerful book and documentary.

"Evolution's Achilles' Heels" exposes the fatal flaws of evolutionary thinking. Authored by nine Ph.D. scientists it produces a coherent, coordinated, powerful argument. The authors all received their doctorates from similar secular universities as their evolutionary counterparts. Each is a specialist in a field relevant to the subject written about: Origin of life, natural selection, genetics, geology, the fossil record, radiometric dating, cosmology, and ethics.

Official Trailer for Evolution's Achilles' Heels documentary

Frank Turek is the owner of that title which is on his book, his TV show, and videos.

This hub is not a hub you can skim over and gain anything from it. I could put into words the messages Frank Turek has presented in video but I think it is much better to offer you a smorgasbord of his video presentations so that you can, at your leisure, explore various topics, questions, discussions and debates he offers up on atheism and Christianity. Before going any further I think it would be advisable for one, no matter your beliefs, to open your mind up to the material presented in the video below before exploring the other videos and perhaps only view one at a time when you have the time to watch without interruptions. You can pick whatever topic is of interest - I think you will find Frank very intelligent, thorough and understanding as he addresses these topics. For more compelling presentations related to Truth, God, Miracles, and the Bible go to CrossExamined.org or watch Frank's show "I don't have enough faith to be an atheist" on Direct TV channel 378.

Below you will find video clips of Frank Turek from his I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist TV program and different speaking appearances. You can also see more on Frank Turek's Tangle page.

IF YOU ARE A DISCIPLE OF RICHARD DAWKINS

and don't want to read anything else on this hub page at least skip to the Lennox video near the end of this hub page. After that debate with Dr. John Lennox of Oxford, Dawkins has refused to debate authentic Christians again. You don't need a degree from oxford to understand why.

Enough faith to be an atheist?

Only a 1 MINUTE video: What is Apologetics?

Absolute Truth: the claims of absolute truth vs. relative truth.

Frank Turek, author of "I Don't Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist," explains why faith alone doesn't make something true.

Frank Turek shares how the New Testament cannot be a made-up fabrication or myth -- not with all those embarrassing details!

Can't Evolution Explain Morality?

A Girl Asks Frank Turek If She's Going to Hell

Dr. Frank Turek on Richard Dawkins' "The God Delusion"

Frank Turek, co-author of "I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist," and Christopher Hitchens, author of "god is not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything,"

Dr. Frank Turek, a well-known Apologist, discusses the Gay Agenda. This was recorded from Dr. Turek weekly program, "I Don't Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist

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What about the "Gay agenda"?

If you are interested in the truth about this topic you really should watch all 6 of these videos by Frank Turek.

I'm going to insert a little of my own two cents here. We have heard of at least one study which concludes, according to Dr Michael Bailey, of Northwestern University, Illinois who col-led it, “Sexual orientation has nothing to do with choice. Our findings suggest there may be genes at play – we found evidence for two sets that affect whether a man is gay or straight...But it is not completely determinative; there are certainly other environmental factors involved.”

Reading his statement is baffling to me and I wonder how anyone can trust a study conducted by this man who reveals by his own statement how set he is on getting the preconceived conclusion which he states foremost "Sexual orientation has nothing to do with choice." and then after making a statement which is absolute he backs it up with study results that are "iffy", "Our findings 'suggest' there 'may be' genes at play". May be? He then goes on to say genes are not completely determinative. NOT COMPLETELY DETERMINATIVE must mean choice could have something to do with this. Additionally nothing in his study deals with the function of choice in relation to homosexuality, so he actually concluded something from his study that wasn't even studied in the study!!!

If homosexuality was completely genetic, one would expect that this sexuality would be the same over the course of a homosexual's life. However for females, over time sexual preference does seem to change. A 5-year study of lesbians found that over 1/4 of these women forsook their lesbian/bisexual identities during these 5 years: 1/2 reclaimed heterosexual identities and 1/2 gave up all identity labels. Other studies have confirmed that sexual orientation is not fixed in all individuals, but can change over time. For more on this go to Sexual preference or orientation? at this link,

Yet, the gay advocacy will run with Dr. Bailey's study and his obviously flawed conclusions and insist that homosexuality is solely determined by genes and they have no choice about this life style.

The problem with that reasoning, even if it were true, is that it can be applied to many genetic traits. Take for example alcoholism. Who would disagree that addicts or alcoholics don't choose to be such, they have a genetic predisposition to these sinful behaviors.

Is that any different than being genetically predisposed to homosexuality? Yet who would tell an addict, 'Hey man do it 'till your heart's content, you have no choice"?

In the final analysis, whether YOU believe what God says is sin is rooted in genes or your choice it doesn't change the fact that it is sin and God commands us not to sin.

Can you be Gay and Christian?

The great moral and spiritual issue of today is how does the church deal with homosexuality. How do Christians respond to LGBT people who tell us they love the Lord and that they experience God's power and love? What is our answer to them when they say that the law of love is our greatest law, and so love requires us to embrace them just as they are? What about the argument that the Old Testament laws (such as the prohibition against homosexuality and the dietary laws)? Does it no longer apply?

Dr.Brown answers these questions and more in his very important book based on sound scholarship, with compassion that causes the reader to wrestle with the issues to discover the biblical truth.

Do You Think Homosexuality Is Wrong?

Dr. Brown Shares Important Details about His Latest Book Can You Be Gay And Christian?

Dr. Brown, a Pentecostal, has a confession to make.

The CrossExamined Solution

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Through seminars, television programs, podcasts, and this site, Frank Turek and the CrossExamined team help young people understand why the Christian faith is true and reasonable and train them to defend that view.

Can't get enough of Frank Turek?

Just Search YouTube for Frank Turek for more insight on a cornucopia of subjects! Dr. Frank Turek is a dynamic speaker and award-winning author or coauthor of four books: Stealing from God: Why Atheists Need God to make their Case, I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist, Correct, Not Politically Correct and Legislating Morality.

Dr. Zacharias has spoken all over the world for 42 years in scores of universities, notably Harvard, Dartmouth, Johns Hopkins, and Oxford University.

Head of Human DNA project converts to Christianity

Scientific study backs intelligent design

This new peer-reviewed scientific study shows that in the human genome so-called “redundant” units actually have highly specialized functions.Casey Luskin, an attorney with graduate degrees in both science and law says, “It’s this sort of sophisticated, information-rich control that is expected by intelligent design, in contrast to Darwinian biology, which fails to anticipate it.”

Not God's Type: A Rational Academic Finds a Radical Faith

Holly Ordway, PhD...

... a hard-core atheist who thought Christianity was a complete joke. Openly hostile towards Christianity & believing Christians were super- stitious idiots, she was a fan of Richard Dawkins. When challenged as a college academic and scholar to look into Christianity her life took a surprise turn as she realized how intellectually defensible Christianity is. Listen to what she says.

An atheist who doesn't believe in the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature

His critique of the modern scientific worldview: a “heroic triumph of ideological theory over common sense.”
His critique of the modern scientific worldview: a “heroic triumph of ideological theory over common sense.” | Source

Prominent Atheist Thomas Nagel has a problem with the modern scientific worldview.

Mind and Cosmos: Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature Is Almost Certainly False is a 2012 book by Thomas Nagel, Atheist Professor of Philosophy at New York University. Mr. Nagel presents a sweeping critique of the modern scientific worldview, which he calls a “heroic triumph of ideological theory over common sense.” He argues that moral value, consciousness, and meaning aren’t just incidental features of earthly life, but fundamental features of the universe. Rather than random evolution Mr. Nagel envisions the unfolding of a cosmic predisposition.

Just search You Tube for "Atheist scientist becomes Christian." See how many there are! Listen to their testimonies.

So if you have gotten this far

and are one of those lost souls who has been brainwashed to believe, or is lying to yourself, that a fetus is not a human being, I challenge you to sit through a viewing of these next two videos BELOW. The first one is only 2 minutes long, so try to at least make it through that one. If that doesn't tweak your thinking you will never make it through the second video (53 minutes) so don't even try. And Jews, here is a new show you can watch on TV -------->

If you do however manage to watch the two videos below, share them with others along with the link in the next sentence. You just might save the mortal lives of fellow innocent human beings (<link) who will then also, like you, have the opportunity to be eternally grateful.

On the anniversary of Roe v Wade this video clip sums abortion up nicely...

but here is an explosive abortion documentary with no holds barred. Marcus Pittman has incorporated seasoned pastors, activists, and theologians into this video

“God, not governments and legislatures, gives persons these inherent natural rights."

Friday, April 18, 2014

Alabama Supreme Court Opinion Rules

“God, not governments and legislatures, gives persons these inherent natural rights."

So what else does science have to offer atheists?

After touching on the subjects of homosexuality and abortion, lets visit atheism once again from recent scientific perspectives. .

After his debate with Dr. John Lennox of Oxford, Dawkins has refused to debate authentic Christians again. Wonder why? Watch this clip of the debate.

Books by Lennox

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In this reply to Stephen Hawking’s latest blockbuster, ‘The Grand Design’, Lennox exposes the flaws in Hawking’s logic and demonstrates that far from disproving a Creator God, Hawking’s arguments make his existence seem all the more probable.Tackling Hawking, Dawkins, Dennett, Hitchens, and a newcomer in the field, the French philosopher Michel Onfray, Lennox points out some of the most glaring fallacies in the New Atheist approach. In God’s Undertaker, John Lennox evaluates the evidence of modern science in relation to the debate between the atheistic and theistic interpretations of the universe, and provides a fresh basis for discussion.Ravi Zacharias brings together many of today’s leading apologists & Christian teachers, like Alister McGrath & John Lennox, to address topics present in the very future of worldwide Christianity. like spiritual transformation & militant atheism.
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In this reply to Stephen Hawking’s latest blockbuster, ‘The Grand Design’, Lennox exposes the flaws in Hawking’s logic and demonstrates that far from disproving a Creator God, Hawking’s arguments make his existence seem all the more probable.
In this reply to Stephen Hawking’s latest blockbuster, ‘The Grand Design’, Lennox exposes the flaws in Hawking’s logic and demonstrates that far from disproving a Creator God, Hawking’s arguments make his existence seem all the more probable.
Tackling Hawking, Dawkins, Dennett, Hitchens, and a newcomer in the field, the French philosopher Michel Onfray, Lennox points out some of the most glaring fallacies in the New Atheist approach.
Tackling Hawking, Dawkins, Dennett, Hitchens, and a newcomer in the field, the French philosopher Michel Onfray, Lennox points out some of the most glaring fallacies in the New Atheist approach.
In God’s Undertaker, John Lennox evaluates the evidence of modern science in relation to the debate between the atheistic and theistic interpretations of the universe, and provides a fresh basis for discussion.
In God’s Undertaker, John Lennox evaluates the evidence of modern science in relation to the debate between the atheistic and theistic interpretations of the universe, and provides a fresh basis for discussion.
Ravi Zacharias brings together many of today’s leading apologists & Christian teachers, like Alister McGrath & John Lennox, to address topics present in the very future of worldwide Christianity. like spiritual transformation & militant atheism.
Ravi Zacharias brings together many of today’s leading apologists & Christian teachers, like Alister McGrath & John Lennox, to address topics present in the very future of worldwide Christianity. like spiritual transformation & militant atheism.

Seven Days That Divide the World: The Beginning According to Genesis and Science

What did the writer of Genesis mean by ‘the first day’? Is it a literal week or a series of time periods? If I believe that the earth is 4.5 billion years old, am I denying the authority of Scripture? In response to the continuing controversy over the interpretation of the creation narrative in Genesis, John Lennox proposes a succinct method of reading and interpreting the first chapters of Genesis without discounting either science or Scripture. With examples from history, a brief but thorough exploration of the major interpretations, and a look into the particular significance of the creation of human beings, Lennox suggests that Christians can heed modern scientific knowledge while staying faithful to the biblical narrative.

To say creation scientists don't have respectable degrees, don't publish in peer-reviewed scientific journals & don't do real research is FALSE.

Seven Reasons Why We Should Not Accept Millions of Years

Go down on that link to [You can finish reading the rest of this article at Answers in Genesis. Click here.] and look at #7 for a list of Prominent Young-earth Creation Scientists.

There are literally thousands of MS and PhD scientists all over the world (numbers which keep growing) who believe based on scientific evidence that the earth is only about 6,000 years old, as the Bible teaches.

Dawkins

Often called the ‘high priest’ of atheism, tweets it is immoral to let DS babies be born.

Are we past the days when people with DS were thought to have nothing to offer? Well, Read the article!
Are we past the days when people with DS were thought to have nothing to offer? Well, Read the article! | Source

Speaking of Dawkins: Frank Turek gives his lecture on the Old Testament God as described by Richard Dawkins in his book and the New Testament God. Anger vrs. Lo

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Unlocking the Mysteries of Genesis ~~~~ Trailer ~~~~

Are you an unbeliever?

If you are I would like to leave you with this thought. I believe it is not by chance you have been led to this hub page.

You my friend are being wooed by the Lord Jesus Christ who says, "Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me."

Throughout Scripture you will find this truth, that God uses people to answer prayer and to fulfill His plans. They can be people we least expect. From Genesis to Revelation, ordinary people were used of the Lord to meet needs and were used as His instruments to bring leadership, provision, or deliverance.

This is not the first time Jesus has "knocked on your door". Pray it is not the last for Jesus also said

..."But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven."

Is that a risk you are willing to take simply because in error you think or have been led to believe that atheism makes sense?

Atheism:The Moral Reason

A  Jewish mathematician delivers a biting defense of religious thought.
A Jewish mathematician delivers a biting defense of religious thought. | Source

I'll tell you what does make perfect sense.

What makes sense is: If there is a holy, just, loving, omniscient and omnipresent infinite creator of the universe (and of mankind), his ways would not be our ways and after sin separated us from him he would provide mankind with the knowledge of creation, of who he is, who we are, how to live on earth, his will for humanity and mercifully a way to be saved from our sin. That provision exists right under your nose! It is His word, the Bible. Accept it for what it is and His word will open your eyes to the truth. Not to do so just doesn't make any sense.

Why trade the hope of eternal bliss for a belief that when you die there is nothing. If your belief in atheism is the truth, what would you lose by accepting Jesus, nothingness? But if it isn't and God is real, you will have lost an eternal life with him and gained eternity in hell.

Even in your unbelief you can't deny that last sentence (although not THE reason to accept Christ as your savior) does make perfect sense, and guess what - the Bible, specifically Jesus, put it this way,

"What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul?"

Ravi Zacharias Q & A: How Do We Know the Bible is True?

Don't wonder - read - it is true!

How Do We Know the Bible is True?
How Do We Know the Bible is True?

Over 20 relevant issues are discussed including:

Is the Bible totally without error?

Did the resurrection really happen?

How do we know that the 66 books of the Bible are from God?

Does the Bible contradict itself?

How were people saved before Jesus came?

What is the purpose and meaning of life?

Did miracles really happen?

Was Genesis derived from ancient myths?

How should we interpret the Bible; should Genesis be literal?

Do you have to believe in a young earth to be saved?

Within these pages you will find responses to those honest questions of faith. These powerful biblical insights are soundly presented by more than a dozen respected defenders of the faith, including Ken Ham, John MacArthur, Terry Mortenson, Jason Lisle, Brian Edwards, Tommy Mitchell, Jobe Martin, Georgia Purdom, Bodie Hodge, and Roger Patterson.

 

Atheism, a religion? OH YEAH!

Atheism is a non-theistic religion

Atheism, a non-theistic religion, attempts to explain everything in our world, including how the universe came about and how one should relate to all humans. As such, it is a belief system, a comprehensive, naturalistic worldview (in contrast to a supernatural worldview) and is called secular humanism. In government funded schools generations of America's youth have been educated in the religious view of naturalism, which in reality is atheism.

I suppose this is just a series of coincidences?

Of course there is no such thing as HELL.

Actually there is but guess what,

there is no such thing as an atheist.

This Guy Proves It’s Crazy to Be Atheist With One Simple and Hilarious Question

Outspoken atheists such as Bill Maher and Richard Dawkins say that they would believe in God if there was scientific evidence. This movie calls their bluff.

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feenix 19 months ago

tsad, this hub is one of the most, if not the most, important discoveries I have ever made on HubPages. I have no doubt that my choosing to read this work is Divine Intervention.

Beginning today, I am going to watch Dr. Turek's videos, and return to this post over-and-over again so I can absorb all the important information it contains.


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tsadjatko 20 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

Well Izettl, you can be glad you didn't do that hub, I can't tell you how many vulgar comments I've had to delete. It seems that the one thing some atheists actually do understand is how to use profane language in ways I never imagined. I suspect members avoid being banned by commenting as anonymous so I had to switch to only signed-in users may post comments years ago.

Hope you watched the last video "The Genesis Code Hidden Within The Ancient Chinese Language.


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izettl 20 months ago from The Great Northwest

Wow, put together well. A lot of info and thoughts. I wrote a hub on atheism one time and I found myself not being able to write it down to scale for a hub- this is a BIG topic and all the other topics addressed here as well. I love that you put this out there and hope many others listen and read as well.


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dianetrotter 21 months ago from Fontana

All I can say is "Wow!" Praise God! I liked your answer to my question and looked to make sure I was following you. Then this article caught my eye. Thank you for dealing with the hard stuff!


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tsadjatko 22 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

Thanks for recognizing that this is a compilation of challenging and searching questions and answers by and from both sides with experts in their fields and not just my opinions or interpretations. It seems however very few non-believers are open to truly seeking the truth of these matters and engaging other points of view once they've made up their minds. I seriously doubt any hub page atheists have even attempted to investigate all that is here or I'm sure they'd have left some kind of comments. Just too overwhelming I guess.


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wba108@yahoo.com 22 months ago from upstate, NY

These are those hot button issues that Christians don't want to discuss. And the reason for the resistance is because of there importance. I think it's great that you're willing to take on the fight for these truths.

Loved the video on absolute vs relative truth, I think as Christians we should be able to at least tackle these kind of basic questions. The " am I going to hell" video was Good too, this was a good primer as to what you're up against when you bring up these issues.

I couldn't help to notice a common thread that runs through the debates with leftists, atheists, and gay rights spokesman, it's that they try to shut down honest debate with ridicule.


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tsadjatko 22 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

Well thanks Lawrence, appears open minded people like you think I am pretty good at presenting a reasoned debate! Come back when you can.


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lawrence01 22 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

I just saw this hub and had to have a look. Awesome. I only looked at the 'Evolution's Achilles heel' part and really enjoyed it. I'll be back here again when I've got more time. Voted up


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tsadjatko 23 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

Stargrrl, I trust it won't disappoint! I wrote it so you can start at the end and work back or in the middle or at the beginning!

In that sense one could say it has no beginning and no end.

Hmmmmmm, where have you heard that before?

Thanks for the comment my discerning friend.


Stargrrl 23 months ago

This hub is jam packed with information. I will definitely be back as this is a huge pill to swallow. Of what I read so far, this hub is a breath of fresh air!


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lifegate 2 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA

Enjoyed the videos and thoughts! Thanks for the post.


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tsadjatko 2 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

Friday, April 18, 2014, Alabama Supreme Court Opinion Rules, that Child Includes Unborn Child! http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/62523

The 8-1 decision affirmed the position adopted by the court a year ago. In that case, Ankrom v. State, the court ruled the term “child” includes the “unborn child.”

“God, not governments and legislatures, gives persons these inherent natural rights."


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tsadjatko 2 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

Thanks for commenting Wickramshingle. However, as one fellow truth seeker to another I think it would do you good to actually investigate more and maybe start with Frank Turek's videos because to endorse the christdelphians demonstrates clearly that you do not know the tenants of true Christianity. All you have to do is Google "christadelphia cult" and you will find ample proof that they are a cult. And don't be decieved by those who say there is no objective classification of what a cult actually is and without that the term is best avoided as a label.

The theological definition of cult is and has always been A cult is a perversion of the gospel, based upon an unholy devotion to a person, a principle, or both. A cult of Christianity is a group of people, which claiming to be Christian, embraces a particular doctrine system taught by an individual leader, group of leaders, or organization, which (system) denies (either explicitly or implicitly) one or more of the central doctrines of the Christian Faith as taught in the sixty-six books of the Bible.

You must first understand what the tenants of true Christianity as set down by God in the Bible are before you are equipped to discern a cult and I would suggest you start there and once you understand what makes them a cult I trust you will have learned a lesson - that one must test the spirit and the measure against which it must be tested is the full Biblical scriptures in context.

Any examination of christadelphian teachings reveals that they deny and contradict the clear teachings of the Bible. While they may sincerely believe they have the truth, they believe a lie, for they deny some of the most fundamental doctrines of the Bible.


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Wickramshingle 2 years ago from East Coast

I'm not a religious person but I always try to seek the truth in anything I'm interested in and I am very interested in the Bible and different religious beliefs.

Over the years one truth I've found is that to be an Atheist or to believe in evolution requires an enormous amount of faith, much more faith than it takes to believe in a Supreme Being.

If a person has even a passing knowledge of the wonders of the universe common sense will dictate over in most cases contrived theory.

If you or anyone else is interested in the Bible there is a religious group called the Christadelphians. Their dogma is the most truthful I have found. I am at a loss to find any contradiction with their teachings and explanations of the Bible, and I have tried. They are not a cult, they want nothing from no one. They are a small group of people who live by their beliefs. Even as a point of reference it is worth investigating.

http://www.christadelphia.org/belief.htm


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North Wind 2 years ago from The World (for now)

I had never heard about Dr. Frank Turek before but he does have some very interesting points. I personally believe that there is no such thing as an atheist and that people who say that they do not believe in the existence of God say it because they would rather be God. Submission is a huge problem for them.

Watching that debate was a bit tough for me partly because my connection would not load it at a good speed and partly because the truth just stares me in the face and it is hard to see it debated for me. What Turek said about absolute truth is absolutely true. It has always been clear to me that my belief in God would not make or break Him. I knew that He would not cease to exist because I said so. If all people decide today to take the worldview of Christopher Hitchens and live as he did it would not change God's existence or His power.


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skye2day 2 years ago from Rocky Mountains

I could not listen to videos. I am at the library. I fried my computer a couple of days ago. Coffee spill. The enemy may try n stop me but not so. The perfect computer is out there. God knows. I read a few comments and I so appreciate the quotes you presented on time. We do not know. Today is the day of salvation. Because of Brenda my dear sister I decided to come over for a read. I will return and look forward to it. Keep em coming, tsadjatko! Tighten up the belt when the storms come. In Christ Jesus, Love, Skye


Ben Blackwell 2 years ago

This looks cool, but there's a lot here. I definitely like the way it looks. I'll come back to this shortly and look at some more videos.

Good job bringing them together.


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tirelesstraveler 3 years ago from California

Score! I don't remember where I first heard him, but it's good to reconnect with him. I wish more people would think like him


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tsadjatko 3 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

Thanks for the comment! Of course all I did was bring attention to Frank (which takes no talent on my part), but I just had to share what I found in him because he presents a cornucopia of scientific and spirtual insights and explanations for those who are seeking the truth and the answers to their questions. You can watch him on NRB, too (378 on Direct TV).


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Froggy213 3 years ago from On A Mountain In Puerto Rico

Hey my friend, I am working my way through these videos and loving every minute. I am amazed I haven't heard of Frank, but I know him now. Great! Voting up across the board!


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Carneades-Georgia 4 years ago from Augusta, Georgia

Authors at FRDB debunk McDowell. Anyway, we non-theists have our surrebuttals to your rebuttals, and so we can have a lot of intellectual stimulation!


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tsadjatko 4 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

Thank you for citing an essay which the author, an x atheist now turned Christian? retracted himself from his website. You mean to tell me that is the "the best?" anti Turek essay you could find?

I welcome readers to read it as it is a farcical peek into the head of this obviously "bothered" author Kyle Williams and a pathetic excuse for evidence to refute the book.

Below are editorial comments on Amazon from well known and respected people

"I already know ten people to whom I will give this book. It's truly a Godsend."

—David Limbaugh, Author, Absolute Power and Persecution, from the Foreword

"I wish [this book] had been available when I was an atheist-it would have saved a lot of time in my spiritual journey toward God!"

—Lee Strobel, Author, The Case for Christ and The Case for Faith

"If you're still a skeptic after reading I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist, then I suspect you're living in denial!"

—Josh McDowell, author and speaker

"Atheism requires gobs of blind faith while the path of logic and reason leads straight to the gospel of Jesus Christ. Geisler and Turek convincingly show why."

—Phillip E. Johnson, Author, Darwin on Trial and Reason in the Balance

"I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist will equip, exhort, and encourage you'to give the reason for the hope that you have . . . with gentleness and respect.'"

—Hank Hanegraaff, President, The Christian Research Institute, Host, Bible Answer Man

"This book should disturb anyone claiming to be an atheist . . . perhaps enough to persuade them to begin a search for the God who has been there all along."

—Cal Thomas, Syndicated Columnist, Host, After Hours, Fox News Channel

"Geisler and Turek present the crucial information needed to avoid being swept away by the onslaughts of secular ideologies that cast science, philosophy, and biblical studies as enemies of the Christian faith."

—William A. Dembski, Author, The Design Revolution

Amazon gives the book an average 4 star rating with 255 reviews. Of the 255 reviews on Amazon, 166 gave it a 5 star, 22 a 4 star, 5 a 3 star, 17 a 2 star, and 45 a 1 star, which guess what - Kyle Williams is one of the 1 stars - probably reviewed when he was still an Atheist.

If you read the 1 star reviews it is not hard to see their motivation for writing those reviews was not seeking the truth but to express their prejudices and/or hatred for christian apologetics.


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Carneades-Georgia 4 years ago from Augusta, Georgia

Your projection onto me,boomerangs!

Google http://www.bringyou./apologetics/p98.htm to find Kyle William's essay I Don't Have Enough Faith to be a Christian: a reply to " I Don't Have Enough Faith To Be an Atheist" by Geisler/Turek.

When I just did that to make sure the article was still there, I found one about whether Williams had become a Christian to which I will now go.

Thanks. My hubs detail my criticisms of religion.


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tsadjatko 4 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

Your problem is that you are blind, twist what is said and are a very out of touch with reality person. No one is talking about blinders in that scripture - Blinders are something that serves to obscure clear perception and discernment. Being blinded means you have no ability to see or perceive at all which is obviously your problem. You say "There exists an essay on the Web that takes apart that book. Read it and ponder." yet you provide no link to the essay - I can't find it in a Google search and wonder if you just made it up - which wouldn't surprise me. On the other hand there are myriads of reviews supporting Frank's book and the points made in it - and you claim there is only one "essay" that you can't even provide a link to that supports your insane accusations.

Good luck with your discussion of the book because you have already well demonstrated you are incapable of any kind of critique based in reality or truth - you are blind, and your beliefs are proven by polls to be in the vast minority of beliefs. But thanks for your comments - very enlightening although not in the vain you intended.


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Carneades-Georgia 4 years ago from Augusta, Georgia

That twisted notion that we unbelievers have such blinders on blasphemes humanity! We find belief to reside in never-never land! That remark boomerangs on believers, showing them credulous,since they depend on gullibility to believe instead of evidence! It is their contempt for reason that shines through.

Thanks. I should discuss with Frank the book. For now, I'll discuss that book soon on one of my hubs.

They follow faith, the we just say so of credulity.


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Trish_M 4 years ago from The English Midlands

Hi tsadjatko :)

Thanks for your response!

I hope that you are keeping as well as possible :)

And I'm glad that I now know that you read my article ~ even if we disagree :)


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tsadjatko 4 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

Hi Trish, how are you?!

Of course I did check back on it when I got a chance - I don't think I said I would have a response.... but I found it too long and encompassing to merit a response ... frankly I was overwhelmed with this question "Where should I start?" and just felt that it would lead into a never ending discussion that no one would win...been there done that. I am in agreement with Frank Turek on everything I've heard him speak on and nothing in your hub changes my opinion. If you would like to debate Frank's point of view I'd suggest you get in touch with him. Thanks for your comments.


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Trish_M 4 years ago from The English Midlands

Hi Tsadjatko :)

Do you remember having a go at me for procrastination, and then betting that I would never come back to your 'too intimidating' hub?

Do you remember saying about mine: 'I'll tell Frank to check it out next time I see him' + "I'll definitely check back on it when I get the chance." ?

Did you ever read it?? :)

If so, what was your response?


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tsadjatko 4 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

“The god of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not.” 2 Corinthians 4:4.

"...there is a spiritual blindness which comes upon some men. These are, to begin with, unbelievers. The god of this world does not blind Believers—but he blinds the minds of them which believe not. It is, therefore, a very dangerous thing not to believe on the Son of God. The penalty of unbelief is death and condemnation—and that penalty begins to fall on men when, in consequence of their unbelief, their foolish heart is darkened, their intellect loses the power to perceive spiritual objects—and the god of this world blinds their mental vision.

Ah, my Hearers, how anxious Satan is to secure your destruction, since, rather than that you should see the saving Light of God, he takes the trouble to blind your eyes! God grant that no man here may die under this dreadful deprivation of Light which is caused by Satanic influence upon the minds of men who have not believed in Jesus!"

source http://www.spurgeongems.org/vols37-39/chs2304.pdf


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Carneades-Georgia 4 years ago from Augusta, Georgia

Why, Turek does no more than give rationalizations and false interpretations! There exists an essay on the Web that takes apart that book. Read it and ponder.

Why theists fail comes forth in Carneades- Georgia and my other blogs here.

I find profanity stultifying!

I find scriptural immorality evil or stupid for the most part.See the hub the buy-bull.

I hope for your liberation from superstition!

People might as well pray to me instead of to Him as I can do no more than He,but say so!


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Trish_M 4 years ago from The English Midlands

Hi :)

I enjoyed reading that about Hitchens; I loved listening to videos of his debates.

By the way, did you ever get around to reading my hub, inspired by this one of yours?

'Turek and Geisler Say 'I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist' But They Believe in God's Morality and the Bible'


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tsadjatko 4 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

Christopher Hitchens: God's favorite atheist?

How did the face of a militant movement endear himself to religious leaders? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

December 17, 2011 By Art Moore © 2011 WND

When he eulogized famous religious figures, Christopher Hitchens contemptuously brushed aside conventional sensibilities, unleashing his Oxford-bred, wickedly witty disdain on the departed, often, it seemed, before the body had became cold.

Of the Moral Majority founder he wrote in 2007: "The discovery of the carcass of Jerry Falwell on the floor of an obscure office in Virginia has almost zero significance, except perhaps for two categories of the species labeled 'credulous idiot.'" He closed the piece lamenting it's "a shame that there is no hell for Falwell to go to."

Among his tamer descriptions of Mother Theresa, whose order said it would pray for Hitchens' soul after his death Thursday, was: "A fanatic, a fundamentalist and a fraud."

How does one explain, then, the outpouring of appreciation and respect from people of religious faith for this uniquely talented British-born American journalist – a leading figure in the "new atheist" movement and the author of "God is not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything" – who died at the age of 62 after an openly reflective 18-month battle with esophageal cancer?

Douglas Wilson, one of many evangelical Christians who debated Hitchens and developed a fondness for him, recalls in an obituary published by Christianity Today telling a debate audience "that if Christopher and I were not careful, we were in danger of becoming friends."

Wilson, a pastor, theologian and faculty member at New Saint Andrews College in Idaho, said that while Hitchens rejected his arguments, the two share something significant.

"Unbelievers can smell accommodation, and when someone like Christopher meets someone who actually believes all the articles in the Creed, including that part about Jesus coming back from the dead, it delights him," Wilson writes.

"Militant atheists," he notes, "are often exasperated with opponents whose strategy appears to be 'surrender slowly.'"

It seems that for all his personal and intellectual contradictions, this "anti-theist," Trotskyist, counter-cultural thinker of unmatched journalistic prose who famously defended the Iraq war and offered conservatives some of their best defenses on other issues, displayed a virtue lacking in many who profess religious faith.

Though his critics included atheist intellectuals as well as religious believers, the hard-drinking, heavy-smoking Hitchens inspired a passion for pursuing truth, displaying a fierce determination that cut through the intellectual accommodations of a jaded prevailing culture.

I came face-to-face three years ago with Hitchens' fervor, which manifest itself in a way quite familiar to evangelical Christians.

After a fascinating hour at a Las Vegas hotel bar discussing the existence of God, he made his pitch personal.

As we walked toward the exit, he professed a complete inability to comprehend how someone could say, "I know Jesus as my savior."

He then paused at the door as a pretend Beetles band next door nearly drowned his words.

"Give it up," he said, earnestly, of my Christian faith.

"You'll be happier," he insisted." Maybe not at first, but you will be."

Earlier, Hitchens had debated Christian author and scholar Dinesh D'Sousa on the question of whether religion is the solution or the problem regarding the current geopolitical crisis. Though he scorned Christianity (It's a "plagiarism of a plagiarism of a hearsay of a hearsay, of an illusion of an illusion, extending all the way back to a fabrication of a few nonevents."), Hitchens' self-deprecation and deft, deadpan humor proved irresistible, prompting frequent outbursts of laughter and applause from a crowd of 1,000 at a libertarian conference with a mixture of skeptics and religious believers.

But it was believers in the audience like Islam specialist Robert Spencer, a speaker at the conference, who proved Hitchens' magnetic power.

"I'm not an atheist, but Hitchens would almost make me one," Spencer told me at the time.

After that faceoff at Bally's in Las Vegas, I had expected only a brief stand-up interview with Hitchens, but he suggested we find a place to sit down.

We found the hotel bar, which seemed appropriate, serving as it does as American secular culture's sacred space. Hitchens clearly was familiar with the liturgy: "I'm going to have a Johnny Walker Black Label, please. Straight, with an express cup server on the side. No ice in the server."

He briefly told of his two-year-old collaboration with an informal group of prominent "new atheists" who prefer to call themselves anti-theists. Along with Hitchens, the "Four Horsemen," as they are called, are biologist Richard Dawkins, and philosophers Daniel Dennett and Sam Harris.

He insisted his motivation for dedicating himself to the gospel of anti-theism was straightforward and he had no hidden agenda.

"I do it because I think the essential argument that underlies all other arguments is the one between belief in the supernatural and repudiation of that," he said. "It cuts across all the left-right, libertarian-statist arguments."

He had no time for atheists who say they wish they could have faith, but "they just can't find it with themselves to believe this stuff."

"I say I can't understand why anyone would want it to be true," he said.

Unlike many who won't let others below the surface of their intellectual arguments, Hitchens admitted that he didn't want there to be a god, because he didn't want to be "under the permanent control and supervision of an unalterable celestial dictator."

It's the "servile" and "masochistic" part of the human personality, he said, that wants to be "kicked around," controlled and "told what to do."

"It's an unappetizing side of the human personality," he told me. "I have contempt for it."

Hitchens touched on the theme in a debate in August with former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, a converted Catholic, arguing that once a creator is assumed, it forces people to submit to a "cruel experiment."

"And over us to supervise this, is a celestial dictatorship. A kind of divine North Korea," he said. "Greedy, exigent, greedy for uncritical praise from dawn til dusk, and swift to punish the original sins with which is so tenderly gifted us in the first place."

'Intellectual scorn'

Noting that Christian evangelists say they are motivated by a desire to please God, I asked Hitchens – pointing to his "zeal" for his message – what motivates him.

"Well, intellectual scorn, really. Frankly," he said. "A sense of superiority, arrogance."

He quickly made it clear that he was speaking for himself.

"It's a feeling of just intense irritation that people are allowed to say that they are people of faith. They feel that by making this statement they have added to the argument," he said. "By announcing they believe something for no reason at all, without any evidence, they don't contribute to the discussion."

He said he wanted to change that and make the word "faith" a "much less positive one – maybe even a pejorative."

Hitchens said he was suspicious of my use of the word "zeal," because he was wary of "the idea of a moral or intellectual equivalence between myself and someone who is a person of faith."

He insisted that unlike "faith positions," the materialistic atheist announces in advance what it would take to "overthrow" his stance.

"Show me rabbit bones in the Pleistocene rock and I'll give up," he said. "I will. I will tell you in advance. You find that, and come to me with it. I'm done. I surrender."

He said, however, that being the witness of a miracle, such as a resurrection or an instant cure of leprosy or blindness, "wouldn't persuade me that the supernatural exists."

Hitchens explained that in such a case, it's much more likely that he would be "suffering from a delusion" rather than witnessing a suspension of the laws of nature.

A fellow writer with The Atlantic, Jeffrey Goldberg, recently wrote that Hitch


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

Sorry, I meant agnostics don't know.

But some atheists acknowledge that they don't actually 'know' either ~ as do some believers; Christian and otherwise.


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tsadjatko 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

No way - atheists know there is no God and think anyone who believes that notion is delusional - agnostics do not know - there is a big difference! If an atheist simply doesn't know if there is a God then why would they call themselves atheists? - are you saying atheists aren't convinced there is no God but they just claim there is no God cause they have nothing better to say about it?


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

Re comments from A Little TRUTH:

I actually think that there are more atheists around than ever before.

As for atheists, it's not that they do not care, it's that they acknowledge that they do not know.

It may be that many atheists do not want to waste their time on Turek's arguments.


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parrster 5 years ago from Oz

Just watched the Turek/Hitchens debate. Loved Tureks closing comments.

Thanks for posting the hub, have bookmarked and will listen to more soon.


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A Little TRUTH 5 years ago

Good one!


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tsadjatko 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

Thanks, I was just c__ious. (Like scratching my nails on a chalk board on that one isn't it? lol)

I'll look into your advice and thanks.


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A Little TRUTH 5 years ago

OK, thanks, I watched the 1 min video and part of another – that’s enough for me on this subject. You don’t want too many people agreeing with you, like you say it may look like you’re monitoring the comments. But I really think there aren’t too many atheists around anymore, and that’s why they are not commenting. I personally don’t know any. Maybe there’s some agnostics, but they aren’t going to comment because, by definition, they don’t care.

An underground c___ you say. Please be careful with the C word if you don’t have “FDA approved” in the same sentence, and you are located in the fictional place they call “UNITED STATES” where the alphabet men have jurisdiction by presumption to do anything and everything. People are doing time for that. I am currently NOT in such a place, but I still avoid the C word out of habit.

You could start with www.naturalnews.com and put fibromyalgia in the search bar, you’ll get all kinds of good stuff. If you’re not familiar with MMS (sodium chlorite – when you mix it with citric acid you get chlorine dioxide), check out www.miraclemineral.org, and download his free ebook. I’ve used this stuff successfully on tooth abscesses, gum disease and skin cancer. Another good site is www.relfe.com or www.thedoctorwithin.com.

I agree with Nancy Regan when she said ”Just say no [to drugs]”. But if you still need prescription drugs only because you’re weaning yourself from them, then a good place for discounts is www.medstore.biz. They do have a bit of herbal stuff too.

Take care.


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tsadjatko 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

That's right.


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

Hi :)

Yes, we all agree with those, who agree with us :)

I might judge active Christianity by its members, but I don't decide whether or not Christianity is correct by its members.

Many of my friends and family are Christians, so I know plenty whom I like, as well as those, whose behaviour I heartily dislike.

But Christians and their behaviour are not relevant to whether or not God exists and whether or not Jesus is / was God incarnate / Son of God.


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tsadjatko 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

Thanks for those links Trish! Turns out they are nothing new to me and I observe all those recommendations but to little avail with my condition. Originally the doctor was giving me magnesium shots which seemed to help a little with my fatigue but he had to stop because the insurance company would not allow him to treat me with those shots even if I paid for it myself. Ever since I have tried and still take the best most absorbale magnesium supplements but have not noticed any improvement.

Let me assure you that what frustrates you when others congratulate erronious people on their errors it is not a Christian thing. It is a human thing, as it is human nature to be prone to our biases and faulty reasoning. I know this because I see it all the time for example with political views. I can't tell you how many hubpages I have commented on where my comment never appears because it disagrees factually with the author or is civilly critical of their hub's reasoning or incorrect facts. Anytime you see a hub with only Kudos on a controversial subject you can bet the author is censoring debate...I do not mean to imply most hubs are like that because I have seen many also that are greviously off the mark entertain discourse...I try to welcome discourse.

The biggest mistake Atheists and others who are often just looking for a reason to denounce Christianity make is to judge Christianity by its members who are by Christianity's own definition, fallen, imperfect sinners who on their own can never get it right and need a perfect savior to set them right with God. I know that is a very simplistic representation but the point is if Christianity is a book and Christians are the cover of the book, we all know you can not judge a book by it's cover.


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

"I'd venture a guess that no atheists watch these videos, at best very few - as you can see none comment here on them"

Tsadjatko, I find it equally frustrating, when people ~ Christians ~ keep asking me to argue my case for evolution ~ but then don't read what I have written. Or they write things that are completely wrong, but will not acknowledge this, no matter how clearly they are informed.

It is then also very frustating when others ~ Christians ~ congratulate these erronous people on their knowledge, and state that they agree with them, without, apparently, checking anything out.

I am not talking about debatable points ~ I realise that people will passionately defend their beliefs ~ but about out-and-out errors, lies and propaganda. And, unfortunately, it happens regularly.


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

Tsadjatko,

I would like to reassure you that, while online religious arguments can become very unpleasant, that is not always the way.

I have taken part in online religious discussions for several years, where no nastiness or vulgarity was allowed.

Anyone coming along just to stir things up was banned. Everyone else discussed issues. It became very very heated, at times, and, of course, there were sometimes upsets, etc, but not the vulgarity etc that you describe.


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

Hi :)

I have a chronic illness, too ~ it seems to be the norm nowadays ~ but fibromyalgia is really horrible!

I have been looking into it for a friend ~ you may be interested in reading these:

http://web.mit.edu/london/www/magnesium.html

http://www.drmercola.com/health-tips/10-foods-and-...

http://www.thehealthierlife.co.uk/natural-health-a...


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tsadjatko 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

I posted this hub under atheism because there are other hubpages on Frank Turek posted under Christianity. But I see the scientist in you, questioning what you observe -that is good and one reason why I like reading your hubs!

I'd venture a guess that no atheists watch these videos, at best very few - as you can see none comment here on them, and if they did I fear I would most likely have to delete their comments due to vulgarity (that has been my experience whenever I have commented on their blogs). Of course this is the internet so you can't really know if a real atheist is doing the posting or just some idiot who worships vulgarity, so I don't wish to paint atheists with a broad brush - just saying anecdotally what my personal experience with atheist blogs has been. If I were on a Christian blog challenging their beliefs maybe I would get the same vulgarity(but I kinda doubt it)though the same rule applies - you can't know that they are really Christians, it's the internet.

If that does not answer your question to satisfaction it goes without saying that I can not determine your need to watch the videos, at least not without more information about you and your beliefs. Only you and your maker can do that.

One good thing about a lively comment section - you don't have to worry about duplication :-). On this hub I think Frank says what needs to be said and I would be presumptuous to embellish upon it, and I found his arguments and insights to be inspiring so I thought I'd share him on HubPages.

Hey, if you could point me in the direction of an underground cure for fibromyalgia I would be grateful.

Always great to hear A Little Truth! Thanks for keeping the comments long and lively.


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A Little TRUTH 5 years ago

I’m not an atheist, do I still need to watch the videos? I’m a bit of a science buff, and I know that the more that scientists discover, the more it can’t be denied that the universe was intelligently designed.

Since the comments are longer and more lively than the written part of the hub, I’ll comment on the comments.

Trish_M: You really got it for being an alleged potential procrastinator, but I see you pulled through with flying colors! I better be careful what I say here. But this is tsadjatko’s hub – so maybe not. I commented elsewhere to tsadjatko that I would read this hub someday, but didn’t for about a week – and I got off scott free on the procrastination! Maybe I’ll get it for something else.

Regarding chronic illness, I hope that readers and writers here realize that the medical and drug industries have perpetuated most, and even created some, diseases; and that there is a remedy for just about everything. It’s just that they are not FDA APPROVED, so you have to look to the underground. Since tsadjatko is big on the play on words that is baked into words, maybe I should use “dis-ease”.

Regardless though, tsad, I’m glad to hear of the blessings you’ve received and the positive change to your path.


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tsadjatko 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

HUBba! HUBba! (Southern slang means expression of approval, excitement and/or pleasure)


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

LOL :)


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA.

You know what they say...size does not matter!:) You are right Trish, you have never complained about the length of a hub(to my knowledge) and I have not either for I always marvelled at how well your hubs are presented besides there MASSIVE SIZE! I was just having a bit of fun here, so go ahead and make fun of one of my hubs! FARE IS FARE!


La La 5 years ago

Highvoltagewriter looks like the ball is in your court!


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

Hi :)

I don't think that I have ever complained about the length of hubs.

I know that mine are often a bit long, but some subjects do need a lot of time and space.


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tsadjatko 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

Ahhhh Yes but you must not ignore rule # 1

Do as I say not as I do! (besides liberals this rule often applies to women)

Oh, Oh, now I done it! How do I switch this hub category to HUMOR? Somebody tell me quick.


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA.

Yes tsadjtko, I was told that my first hub on evolution was to large, (the Evolution of Evolution) and yet Trish's hubs made it look tinny! First time I read her evolution hub I had to send up a flare and wait to be rescued!:)


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tsadjatko 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

@ Trish

Déjà vu ?


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Rob Lattin 5 years ago from Born in Chicago, now I'm in Mostly Michigan

Great resource! I'll keep coming back.


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

Hi :)

Yes, it's long, but it's a big subject.

"Why Put Off Until Tomorrow What You Can Do Today?"

"Too intimidating"?


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tsadjatko 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

Wow Trish that is a long hub!

"I'll definitely check back on it when I get the chance." :)


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

Great! :)


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tsadjatko 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

Hey Trish_M :-)! I'll tell Frank to check it out next time I see him.


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

Hello again Tsadjatko :)

I have watched some videos and read some of this book and I find that it is too large a topic to be able to respond to here.

Indeed, I chose just one aspect of the subject area ~ morality ~ and wrote a hub on it. You should be able to find it, quote easily, if you wish to read it.


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tsadjatko 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

Well what muddles Science up is the mainstream media - they (and sometimes hack scientists like those involved in claimategate) have no respect for the truth - only their agendas. So they portray theory as fact and fact as "crazy religious fundamentalism" all the time.


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

I need time to watch the videos and consider my responses to them ~ which is different from responding to subjects in which I was already involved.

By the way, I agree with Highvoltagewriter that, usually, 'science ... is a system of trial and error'. Science is certainly ongoing and adaptable. Otherwise it would say that it knows everything and then, in effect, simply cease to be.


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA.

Hay tsadjtko, it never fails to amaze me how evolution love to quote scientist and books on evolution with PURE CONVICTION even though they know perfectly well that science being what it is a system of trial and error and consent experimentation to reach a conclusion that is ear marked to "evolve" into something else when new evidence is "proven" to replace the old concepts.

"They" must be really bored!:)


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tsadjatko 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

Well it is interesting that in the last two weeks since you posted on my hub you were able to find time to post 13, often lengthy comments, on another hub "with only limited access to a computer" :-)

But you obviously were engaged there and as you say "If a thing is worth doing, it's worth doing well".

You need not defend yourself as I will concede you are not a procrastinator...you did do what you said you would do and come back and I deserve to be called on the carpet for making that assumption. And I apologize for the "thin skin" comment as well...for someone to put up with my messin with you and remain composed and civil you can't be thin skinned. So as far as tsadjatko is concerned when viewing these videos my advice to you would be to JUST IGNORE HIM (me)! HE IS IRRELEVANT. :-)


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

I have been on holiday, abroad, with only limited access to a computer, and this is a subject which, in my opinion, requires time and consideration.

As I said;

"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread"

"Look before you Leap"

"If a thing is worth doing, it's worth doing well"

"It is unwise to give advice unless and until you know the circumstances"


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tsadjatko 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

"I'll definitely check back on this when I get the chance." That was two weeks ago - I've only ever heard a comment like that from procrastinators, but we are all guilty of procrastination aren't we? It's not a bad word and no offense intended. :-)


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

Procrastinators?

I'll be in touch.


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tsadjatko 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

Is that how you usually respond to people who bother to look at your hubs?!

No just to procrastinators. But if you are that thin skinned I'd suggest you not bother reading them.


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

Re 'The Big Bang':

Georges Lemaître (1894 – 1966) was a Christian (RC) priest, astronomer and Physics professor, who proposed the 'hypothesis of the primeval atom', which later became known as 'the Big Bang theory'.

Apparently, it was, indeed, Fred Hoyle, who coined the actual term 'Big Bang' ~ in 1949. Wikipedia states: 'It is popularly reported that Hoyle ... intended this to be pejorative, but Hoyle explicitly denied this ...'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

Tsadjatko: "But I'll bet you never come back! Too intimidating for you to face, I'll bet."

Wow!

Is that how you usually respond to people who bother to look at your hubs?!

Anyway, I have just watched '... the material presented in the video above right ...'.

I also watched a video, showing Turek debating with Christopher Hitchens.

I have many responses ~ too many to add here, just now. I have written lots of notes and I need to give the subject a lot more thought.

However, for now, I will simply say that Frank Turek has not, as yet, convinced me. Definitely not. I'll get back to you on this subject, when I have sorted out my thoughts.

By the way, I find Turek's negative attitude towards homosexuality very, very off-putting.


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tsadjatko 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

I too have a chronic illness and God has never forsaken me (nor I him, most importantly). And because of my faith, in retrospect, I now recognize his hand on my life through it all and I know my affliction has and is accomplishing a purpose in my life, drawing me closer to God. In a sense my affliction derailed me from the path I was on to worldly "success" and what initially appeared to be a disaster I now count a blessing. The Bible says, “My son, do not despise the chastening of the LORD, Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; For whom the LORD loves He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives”(Heb 12:5-6)

Frank Turek has too many videos from his show to digest at once but I find I never tire of tuning him in and over time continue to gain much insight from his various discussions. Thanks izettl for visiting and your complimentary fan mail - I have the larger task reading all your insightful writings.


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izettl 5 years ago from The Great Northwest

THis is interesting stuff even though I have "faith". I've been in spots where hope, due diligence and many other virtues did not help me an ounce, but faith. faith is defeintely a way of thought, a comforting thought, a form of optimism. I agree it's not a reason to believe in any particular thing.

Here's my example; I have a chronic illness with no cure so I do not have faith that I will be cured- I'm not an idiot, but I do have faith that I will make it in life OK living with this illness. When the tough times arise, I have faith I'll make it through. Nevertheless, this is interesting info. thanks for sharing.


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tsadjatko 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

I just bought a half dozen copies of the book on amazon -it is half price now - like 8 bucks. Not a small paperback either. I watch Frank on direct TV NRB 378 9 pm. He is really a genius - Cisco fired him recently because of his beliefs although he didn't express them at work - one of his shows tells you all about it. Anyone, believer or not will be moved by his videos.

Thanks for recognizing truth when you see it.


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA.

WOW, this is probably the best presentation I have seen on the argument for intelligent design! I will link this to my evolution hubs! I am sorry it took me so long to watch the videos and I having computer problems! I did not watch them all but enough to want to read his book!


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tsadjatko 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

lol touche! But I'll bet you never come back! Too intimidating for you to face, I'll bet.


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread"

"Look before you Leap"

"If a thing is worth doing, it's worth doing well"

"It is unwise to give advice unless and until you know the circumstances"


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tsadjatko 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door Author

Hello Trish! A litlle advice:

"Why Put Off Until Tomorrow What You Can Do Today?"

"Nothing is so fatiguing as the eternal hanging on of an uncompleted task." ~William James

"Procrastination is the art of keeping up with yesterday." ~Don Marquis

"Every duty which is bidden to wait returns with seven fresh duties at its back." ~Charles Kingsley

"If you want to make an easy job seem mighty hard, just keep putting off doing it." ~Olin Miller

"It is an undoubted truth, that the less one has to do, the less time one finds to do it in." ~Earl of Chesterfield

"One of the greatest labor-saving inventions of today is tomorrow." ~Vincent T. Foss

"You may delay, but time will not." ~Benjamin Franklin

"Someday is not a day of the week." ~Author Unknown

"To think too long about doing a thing often becomes its undoing." ~Eva Young

"Don't fool yourself that important things can be put off till tomorrow; they can be put off forever, or not at all." ~Mignon McLaughlin, The Neurotic's Notebook, 1960

"Procrastination is opportunity's natural assassin." ~Victor Kiam

"If you want to make an easy job seem mighty hard, just keep putting off doing it." ~Olin Miller

"What may be done at any time will be done at no time." ~Scottish Proverb

"The best way to get something done is to begin." ~Author Unknown

"The time to begin most things is ten years ago." ~Mignon McLaughlin, The Second Neurotic's Notebook, 1966

"Putting off an easy thing makes it hard. Putting off a hard thing makes it impossible." ~George Claude Lorimer

"Tomorrow is the day when idlers work, and fools reform and mortal men lay hold on heaven." ~Edward Young

"A year from now you may wish you had started today." ~Karen Lamb

"How soon “not now” become “never”." ~Martin Luther King Jr.

"Don’t wait. The time will never be just right". ~Napoleon Hill

"Procrastination is the grave in which opportunity is buried." ~unknow author

We shall never have more time. We have, and have always had, all the time there is. No object is served in waiting until next week or even until tomorrow. Keep going day in and day out. Concentrate on something useful. Having decided to achieve a task, achieve it at all costs. -Arnold Bennett.

"If and When were planted, and Nothing grew." ~Proverb

"The greatest amount of wasted time is the time not getting started." ~Dawson Trotman


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

Hi :)

I'll definitely check back on this when I get the chance.

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