Christians & ex-Christians Prove God Exists by Debunking Salvation: Science & Spirituality Reveal the Real Jesus Christ

We are all born inherently good. It is things like convincing people that they are 'unworthy sinners', bullying, abuse and economic depression, etc., that create human monsters.
We are all born inherently good. It is things like convincing people that they are 'unworthy sinners', bullying, abuse and economic depression, etc., that create human monsters.

Highlights

  1. Intro to Christian Deconversions, Conspiracies, Contradictions & Comparisons
  2. Original Message of Jesus Christ
  3. How the Universe Works
  4. Jesus' Purpose vs. Our Purpose
  5. How We Connect with God
  6. Why God Can Only Create 'Good'
  7. How 'Salvation' Became Dominant
  8. Advice for Moving Beyond Religions - Christianity is not the only religion with an increasing deconversion rate.

This essay is meant to soothe relations between Christians, Atheists and religious & anti-religious attitudes, in general - by providing rational arguments to often divisive debates about the most natural aspect of our existence: God.

It should also restore [at least some] confidence in both God & Humanity by explaining 'the real' lost messages of Jesus Christ; and how science is starting to dovetail into some of them - including who & what we are.

This collective explanation simplifies our lives to make sense from beginning to end from a new (to us) Christian perspective. If you've been mired in a dogmatic version of Christianity or are wandering the edge of unbelief, as so many are - you just might find relief from the fear of death in this new version that so many Christians are discovering & embracing. And, If you are a dogmatic atheist, hopefully you'll come to realize that people who choose a life of religion - any kind - are not stupid. There are a few ways to prove the existence of God. The main ones are in here.

Most Atheists & non-religious folks (not all) can't see how 'a God' could exist beyond religions. And most Christians (again, not all) have a hard time believing that God could exist without Jesus Christ dying to save souls through death and resurrection. Basic Spirituality is a very misunderstood perspective. But, we are well-into the 21st Century; and it is time to stop harming each other over things that are both obvious and provable.

On top of that, as you will see: it is chaos out here if you are an earnest seeker searching for spiritual truth. Maybe this world has Jesus' original story bent; and if you still want to believe in God - things like free-will & unconditional love do actually exist in a barely-tainted form.

I've had some feedback from non-religious folks regarding what a turn-off it is for how familiar and personable I am with the word 'God' (and utilize scriptures) in here. That is because most Christians (current & former) are really familiar with thinking of God as 'a person'. This should all still make sense to just about everyone. Think of God any way you want - I do eventually get into the science.

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If Jesus was God 'not like us' - then doesn't that make Christianity just another pagan religion?
If Jesus was God 'not like us' - then doesn't that make Christianity just another pagan religion?

Why Question Christianity?

The similarity between Christianity and the pagan 'salvation' mysteries (Dionysus, Horus, Mithras, etc. - especially Mithras) so disturbed some early Christian fathers, that they had to resort to the most bizarre reasons to explain the similarity to the pagan cults. I mean, how many 'only sons of God', 'saviors' and 'messiahs' does God need to send down here to 'save' souls from 'sin'?

This is what the philosopher and satirist Celsus (170 CE) had to say: "Are these distinctive happenings unique to the Christians - and if so, how are they unique? Or are ours to be accounted myths and theirs believed? What reasons do the Christians give for the distinctiveness of their beliefs? In truth there is nothing at all unusual about what Christians believe, except that they believe it to the exclusion of more comprehensive truths about God". Source

Two Versions of Christianity - the Older-New One is Increasing

Did you know that there are now two versions of the religion of Christianity swirling in various ways around the world today: the traditional version that people are more familiar with that focuses on the 'salvation' message; and an older, pre-State version that focuses on the original teachings of Jesus Christ as the Kingdom of God 'being within' - as taught similarly by previous Holy Men throughout the ages.

Much of what Jesus was teaching has been misinterpreted largely due to overly-literal interpretations. There is even an old-new biblical translation that many Christians are currently unaware of. However, there also does seem to have been some state tampering, especially with the four gospels.

As concerning as anything else... if you have ever wondered why Christianity has been combined into a bunch of new 'christ-infused' hybrid belief structures and outlandish conspiracy theories, the 'real message' of Jesus Christ that people are just now discovering and 'playing with' - is the main reason why. Actually, some of the many and NEW different kinds of conspiracy theories that developed because of these new 'beliefs' have become quite ridiculous.

Someone took the time to map out the history of Christianity and 'The Church'. It is very interesting, if nothing else...
Someone took the time to map out the history of Christianity and 'The Church'. It is very interesting, if nothing else... | Source

The 'proof' of what Jesus was really teaching is contained within the red letters (just the words of Jesus) in The Bible. If you are a Christian, there is no need to look beyond it - plus, there are a few different ways to see that original message beyond this explanation. This is the way *I* first saw it; and I'll share other ways.

But, it is in this simple, freeing, ages-old spiritual message - along with amazing things science has been discovering - that we find the existence of 'God'. It is also in this original message that we realize why Jesus the Christ was here to teach at that point in time: to free human souls from the bondage of paganism & poverty. And yet, 'paganism' gradually replaced the foundation of his message.

If you've done research, some of this might be familar to you. But, I don't think I've seen anyone gather all the puzzle pieces that we have found in one place; and put them together in a way that really starts to expose the big picture of our reality, yet - although, there are a few outrageous conspiracy theories that try. This isn't a conspiracy theory. That is what sets this information apart - it is a spiritual report based on the collective studies of your basic, deconverting (and some not deconverting) Christian seekers.

Many Christian churches are addressing these issues for their congregations.
Many Christian churches are addressing these issues for their congregations.

A Very Good Question

If we believe God is perfect and omnipresent, and that he kept The Bible unblemished by Human fallibility... Why couldn't God keep his messages straight among us via The Holy Spirit that he supposedly-used to keep The Bible from becoming tainted in the first place?

How Most Christians Fall Away from Beliefs

Losing your religion is not an easy or fast process - nor do any of us set out to 'lose' anything. Most Christians are simply seeking answers to spiritual questions; and are looking for a way to validate their religion so that they can confirm it within themselves. That is certainly what I started out doing. It is seemingly by accident that we stumble across more questions.

This is another deconversion anomaly - many of us will tell you that we were led out of our religion (or altered harmful beliefs about it) by 'The Spirit' or Christ, himself. I would definitely be on that list.

Getting through all this information took over two decades; and much of the time, was a scary process. For a while, you feel as if your soul is in limbo while trying to re-find footing. But, its okay - you learn a lot about the reality of life, and how God guides us. And in my opinion, Jesus turned out to be way cooler than most of us were told. :)

Interesting Comparisons

Ten Reasons Christianity is Far Superior to Any Other Religion - Look at how valued the concept of sin, and salvation from it, is 'the focus' of this belief set.

Ten Reasons Why Christianity Makes No Sense - Realizing that debating the issues has crystallized the inability to reconcile even the most fundamental principles of Christianity.

What was the original message of Jesus Christ?

Many people have come to believe that Jesus Christ was a compilation of ancient characters - including the infamous Julius Caesar. But many of them also believe that there was 'one main person' he was based on. Perhaps you have heard of the Book of Q? In fact, the number of people who have re-written the gospels in an attempt to remove the inaccuracies throughout history is significant.

As a Master of Israel, Nicodemus would have been familiar with the pagan beliefs that 'his people' lived among... The salvation story within Christianity would have been VERY familiar to him. I'm not so sure he would have bought it. :)
As a Master of Israel, Nicodemus would have been familiar with the pagan beliefs that 'his people' lived among... The salvation story within Christianity would have been VERY familiar to him. I'm not so sure he would have bought it. :)

Nicodemus Comes to Jesus in the Night for Answers

Unless otherwise noted, all bible verses below are quoted from the King James version since that is the translation that many Christians respect the most.

John 3: "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh: and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Nicodemus said, How can these things be? Jesus answered, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

He would have known how previous pagan gods supposedly came with healing + miracles + spiritual teachings + how they often 'resurrected for salvation', etc. Nicodemus wanted the truth like we all do. What was it that AMAZED him?
He would have known how previous pagan gods supposedly came with healing + miracles + spiritual teachings + how they often 'resurrected for salvation', etc. Nicodemus wanted the truth like we all do. What was it that AMAZED him?

Jesus Explains 'How to be Born Again' to Nicodemus

The first paragraph in the bible passage above is what scares most people; because Jesus is saying that a person cannot enter The Kindgom of Heaven without 'being born of the spirit' ASIDE from being born in the flesh - which is the easy part for us. We're just born - we don't have to 'do anything' to be born in the flesh.

Most Christian denominations interpret this verse in a similar way, depending - such as, 'born in the flesh' and 'born of the spirit' can represent water baptism and saying 'the sinner's prayer', respectively. A person who says the sinner's prayer is essentially inviting the spirit of christ into their heart to be 'born again' by his spirit.

Another Really Good Question:

Why did the Isrealites get stone tablets TWICE; while Christians didn't even receive an oral OR written version of The Sinner's Prayer ONCE if it was so important?
Why did the Isrealites get stone tablets TWICE; while Christians didn't even receive an oral OR written version of The Sinner's Prayer ONCE if it was so important?

While I suppose being born in the flesh could be referring to baptism (a beloved pagan concept) - Jesus had not died and resurrected, yet. The sinner's prayer for salvation hadn't even been invented - and you will find it NOWHERE in The Bible.

Think about it... IF the sinner's prayer was so important for the salvation of souls; then WHY didn't Jesus give the prayer directly to his disciples to teach after he supposedly resurrected from the dead? He gave them the 'Our Father' - why would he not hand out something so simple if it was required for eternal salvation?

God supposedly gave the Isrealites the Ten Commandments in the form of stone tablets TWICE in order to make sure they didn't miss out.

Beliefs are the foundation of our lives - no matter what they are. Why would a god who supposedly created us need our beliefs?
Beliefs are the foundation of our lives - no matter what they are. Why would a god who supposedly created us need our beliefs?

Why Divert the Power of People's Beliefs?

The religion of Christianity would have us think that a non-belief in the salvation message is a direct decent into hell after we die - murderers and 'little-white-liars', alike. Where does that put 'free will' if that is our choice - Heaven or Hell - for doing absolutely NOTHING aside from being born as a human being?

Really, why are we required to BELIEVE IN anything? It is another really good question! If God needed a sacrifice, he supposedly got one. Do you require your children to believe in anything you've ever done for them?

Disciplining kids for disobedience is not the same as forcing them to 'believe in' you. Covenants are mutual, not one side forcing itself on the other with dire consequences for all who fail to comply - that is a controlling ultimatum.

Beliefs are actually imperative to our very existence - I'll talk in much more detail about that, eventually. There are a few scary conspiracy theories wrapped around this specific 'diversion of belief' issue. Don't put too much into conspiracies. The reality of the truth Jesus taught is so much more powerful.

No, Jesus was not talking with Nicodemus in the verses above about a future sinner's prayer that would be based on his near-term death (that part may have happened) and resurrection...

Where are the many saints who supposedly 'rose from the grave' with Jesus?

Matt 27:52 “Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.”

These saints appeared to many - yet, no one - out of all of the people who would have noticed & witnessed this particular miracle, including religious, political and military leaders or their scribes - mentions it. Jewish people take their holy men very seriously. If this event had happened, it would have been a HUGE confirmation for them that Jesus was their Messiah. There is a reason why Jews do not celebrate Easter with Christians.

Being Born Again is both easy and not a requirement - in fact, marvel not! :)

Being 'born of the spirit' seems more complicated than 'born in the flesh' - until you consider: "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."

It sounds to me like we are NOT anymore in control of becoming 'born of the spirit' than we are 'born of the flesh'; and more importantly, Jesus INSTRUCTS us: "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again."

Not every person who is born of the flesh will also be 'born again' of the spirit - and it is OKAY, according to Jesus. Just because a person may not enter The Kingdom of God because he did not 'move the spirit upon them'; does NOT mean that they are going to 'hell'. We'll see why people who are not born again are still part of things toward the end. (No, I'm not talking about reincarnation - you'll see an image with hands in handcuffs being 'set free' when you get that far.)

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Jesus Reveals Who He Really Is to Nicodemus

"Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness."

Who is Jesus including within the 'we' that he is talking about? Most Christians believe that he is talking about the Holy Spirit - The Trinity is yet another Christian concept founded in paganism. But, toward the end he says: "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

Christ is ALSO 'in heaven'. His SPIRIT remains in heaven WHILE he is 'in the flesh' - "even the Son of man which IS IN heaven" - there is NO SEPARATION between 'Christ's Holy Spirit' and 'the flesh of Christ'. He originated 'as spirit' in heaven; and as such, remains connected to all that he is when he is here.

This was the original message of Christ - that we are 'just like him'; NOT that he was going to die and 'save us' from our sins. Jesus supposedly having 'no sin nature' does not come close to resembling our human experience. Sacrifices to atone for 'sins' was a pagan concept; and the people of this world had made considerable sacrifices to their various gods & goddesses throughout history up to that point. Christ was trying to enlighten people - that was a lie.

If you had known 'your christos within' you would have known the Father of your christos (God) also. Now (not later) you DO know him and have seen him.
If you had known 'your christos within' you would have known the Father of your christos (God) also. Now (not later) you DO know him and have seen him.

Re-discovered Bible Translation & Interpretation

Christianity teaches that God is separate from us, with our 'sinful souls' needing to be reconciled to him. But, the entire way you see Jesus Christ, read the New Testament, and see the salvation message will change dramatically after you understand this next point:

John 14:6: "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

The Theosophy folks re-discovered this: if you go into the original translation of that scripture, you will find that Jesus does not refer to himself as a 'personality' as being 'the way'; but to the divine principle of Christ or Christos - (which literally means 'the way') within him.

Jesus Christ WAS God in the flesh teaching & demonstrating to other 'gods in the flesh' who they really were beyond the pagan lies they knew: that they were REAL children of God - direct offspring just like him.

This 'christos' has different names in various religions, usually Christ Consciousness, Kingdom of God or Kingdom of Heaven. It exists within the hearts of everyone - no 'belief in' anyone or anything, required:

Luke 17:20-21 “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.

Hebrews 2:14-18 means nothing unless Jesus was really like us.

Christ proclaimed this truth sarcastically to Pharisees who were harassing him - before he died - who did not and would probably never believe in him. (Sort of like, "Duh, you don't get the truth even when I flat-out say it!) He is NOT talking about a kingdom within them that remains dormant until ‘his resurrected and ascended spirit’ enters them - we just read him say that his spirit is NOT separated from his body BEFORE he died.

Plus, Jesus is speaking in CURRENT TENSE; and he does it again - John 10:34 "Is it not written in your law, I said, YOU are gods?

We're just like him. If that were not true, then nothing Christ said, did, taught or thought means anything: he would be like any other pagan 'god' who claimed to be 'the only one' to 'save' people from eternal damnation.

And this is the thing both Pagan & Jewish leaders were afraid of: Jesus WAS 'just like us' as he claimed. How would the truth of what he was really trying to get across alter people's perceptions of themselves if they started to believe such a sacreligious message that appears to be 'against God'?

Various forms of paganism was the foundation for many of Rome's beliefs, laws and government structure, etc. They couldn't let people go down that route. Plus, they probably had a pretty hard time believing in the message, themselves.

Pre-Gospel Writers & Pauline Controversy

Additionally many people now wonder if the Apostle Paul was not talking about many of the same things Jesus Christ really was - in similar ways. There is much controversy surrounding Paul's teachings. There is also controversy surrounding just how many letters in the New Testament he actually wrote - 7 out of 13 is the generally agreed-upon number.

Q1: "When early (PRE-gospel) writers like Paul speak of their "Christ Jesus", they do so in exclusively mythological terms. He is the divine Son in heaven, speaking through scripture, connected to the believer in mystical ways. Christ Jesus is the very substance of Godhead, pre-existent and the image of the Father... For all that Paul and others have to say about faith, no one ever raises the need to have faith that Jesus of Nazareth was the Son of God and Messiah. The very equation: "The divine, spiritual Son = Jesus of Nazareth, recently on earth," is universally missing."

Many diehard Christians question Paul, now - despite that he is credited with writing over half of the New Testament scriptures. What if Jesus & Paul's message was the SAME; and the four 'saved' gospels (out of HUNDREDS destroyed) were manipulations?
Many diehard Christians question Paul, now - despite that he is credited with writing over half of the New Testament scriptures. What if Jesus & Paul's message was the SAME; and the four 'saved' gospels (out of HUNDREDS destroyed) were manipulations?

Both Jesus and Paul were executed for what they taught

Q2: "Instead, they speak of Christ as now present on earth (e.g., 1 John 5:20), sent by God as he has also sent the Spirit. (The Spirit and the Son are sometimes linked, as in Romans 8:9, Galatians 4:6, Phil. 1:19.) As the Pauline letters convey through the use of their ubiquitous phrase "in—or through—Christ" (e.g., Romans 6:11, Ephesians 1:4, Titus 3:6), Christ is a spiritual medium through which God is revealing himself and doing his work in the world. He is a mystical force, part of and interacting with his believers, and he is God’s agent of salvation. All this lies plainly on the pages of the New Testament epistles, while beside it stands a void on the Gospel Jesus."

Quotes above from The Jesus Puzzle by Earl Doherty.

Why was Jesus more-likely cruxified?

John 8 "And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed... But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God..."

The Controversy of Kabbalah

What did Jesus really die for? Why does his story share so many details about his birth, leadership, messages, death and resurrection with several other previous world 'saviors'? Its a darn good question.
What did Jesus really die for? Why does his story share so many details about his birth, leadership, messages, death and resurrection with several other previous world 'saviors'? Its a darn good question.

Jesus was probably cruxified for blasphemy from every pagan-religion's perspective - including Judaism, from whose temple in Jerusalem literally produced 'rivers of blood' from animal sacrifices. At that time, the Jewish religion definitely fell under the category of 'pagan'; and JEWS were the original followers & believers in Jesus' original message.

'Christ' has the same meaning as 'Krishna'; and his message wasn't new - simply misunderstood and/or rejected. Buddha would no-doubt have been cruxified if he had been in Jesus' place.

The difference between each of these holy men (and others) is that they were speaking to their specific audience through their own culture & ideals that they were familiar with. It is the most-probable reason why Jesus constantly referered to God as 'the Father' - because that was the way the communities that he touched were used to thinking about 'God'.

It was a very pagan society from almost every direction; and Jesus was talking to people from their 'level of understanding' - as did Buddha and Krishna for their audiences, etc. I'll talk in more detail about this, later.

But, because of these new realizations about Jesus' teachings of the Kingdom of God 'being within'; his purpose is now often credited to fulfilling a different old 'Jewish Law' than the original traditions the world is accustomed to...

Kabbalah is said to be the secret, mystical version of Judaism handed down thru Moses - and NOT for the general population.

While the re-discovery of Kabbalah has been helpful for many - at this point in time, since it is old as any other 'path' - it is just another potential stepping stone and not necessarily 'the way'.
While the re-discovery of Kabbalah has been helpful for many - at this point in time, since it is old as any other 'path' - it is just another potential stepping stone and not necessarily 'the way'.

Matthew 5:17 - Jesus said, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

You will find much of this kind of teaching about the Kingdom of God in the Jewish Kabbalah. Jesus had this to say in the Nag Hamadi, found in 1945: "The Kingdom of God is inside you and all around you - not in a mansion of wood and stone. Split a piece of wood and I am there. Lift a stone and you will find me."

Did you know that there are two versions of almost every religion - even Christianity? (Just as Kabbalah is considered to be the mystical version of Judaism.) It is as if there is a version that everyone can believe in; and a 'hidden', mystical version that people who realize can discover and reach for.

There really is no way to know how intentional the twisting of Christianity was - especially since former ancient religions (ie. Lord Krishna's - coming up) also became somehow similarly-twisted; along with the fact that the salvation message probably became much more highlighted over 1500 years after Jesus' death during the Protestant Reformation. This is of course when people began to take The Bible more literally and as the literal 'Word of God'.

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Christ came to FREE the minds of mankind - not lock us in a spiritual prison.

Romans 8:1-2 "Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (your christos) has set you free from the [pagan] law of sin and of death."

Sin, death, hell and the deliverance from it through various rituals were all ancient pagan concepts. These are the things Christ came to free souls from - so that people could see themselves for what they really are: human beings, 'god in the flesh' just like him. The majority of us are not currently 'aware' that we are just like him, yet. :)

I know this infusion of information is overwhelming - and frankly, it is the tip of the iceberg. Most Christians reject sources beyond The Bible because of the ban on anything outside of it - and what it says about 'evil sorcery'.

The Bible was written in a very specific way so that believers would not seek out anything beyond it. But, there are 'good' & 'bad' alternative sources all over - in the same way that there are 'good' & 'bad' Christian believers and preachers, etc.

Stay present, build trust in listening to your entire being (your christos or 'kingdom of God' within). I'll talk a lot more about how to do that, later. But, we all generally-know 'how to listen and trust ourselves'. You'll be able to tell what belongs and what doesn't. God is not afraid of our questions. He welcomes all hearts with perfect intentions, no matter how curious.

Matthew 7:7 "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you."

Seek Ye First...

Matthew 6:33 Therefore seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his rightwiseness, and all these things shall be cast to you." Wycliffe Bible
Matthew 6:33 Therefore seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his rightwiseness, and all these things shall be cast to you." Wycliffe Bible

Salvation Similarities

Notice the similarities between the Christian salvation message and Lord Krishna's in this quote? They consider Jesus to be one of these 'Masters'.
Notice the similarities between the Christian salvation message and Lord Krishna's in this quote? They consider Jesus to be one of these 'Masters'. | Source

Why You Can Trust Your Internal Guidance & Intuition

This is probably one of the most poignantly-missed things Christ taught about the Kingdom of God being WITHIN:

Luke 10: 5 & 6 "And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house. And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again."

NOTE: Jesus gave the above instruction to his disciples before he supposedly resurrected, ascended, then gave 'his holy spirit' to them in the Upper Room in the Book of Acts. Most people don't have a problem believing that the disciples were 'just like us'. How the heck could THAT be unless the Kingdom of God being within - without the need for 'salvation' - is true?

Of course, Christianity has an explanation for this. In Luke 9, Jesus supposedly 'gave them power and authority' - similar to the way the devoted followers of both Theosophy and Lord Krishna came up with - if you want to go float around in the astro plane with them. Yeah, that's sarcasm - isn't it strange how other religions are so similar and yet slightly different than Christianity? Lord Krishna is much older; and his messages are no-doubt at least as twisted as Jesus' are.

Did you know that many previous 'holy men' insisted that their words not be written down? (And most of them did not write them down, themselves - such as Jesus.) These religious misunderstandings that seem to be so easy to develop are no-doubt why.

Being baptized in the HS is an incredible experience that feels like your heart has been struck by lightening - and yeah, you literally feel 'so filled up' that you CAN'T talk in English for a while. But, it is nothing that anyone can't experience.
Being baptized in the HS is an incredible experience that feels like your heart has been struck by lightening - and yeah, you literally feel 'so filled up' that you CAN'T talk in English for a while. But, it is nothing that anyone can't experience.

What is Speaking in Tongues?

I mention this because many deconverting Christians fall into this set of beliefs (or Theosophy) because they come to believe that projecting into the astral plane is 'the next step' in reaching 'God'. I mean, if you can directly connect to a 'spiritual master' who is supposed to bring you the rest of the way 'home' - that MUST be the answer if you've realized something is wrong with your current set of Christian beliefs, right?

Please be careful out there, peeps. *I* went to the edge and then researched further before jumping in with both feet. The initiation ritual that is performed for both of these systems seems to be no different than the Christian concept of 'being baptized in the holy spirit' (another huge controversy within Christianity).

Any set of beliefs that insists you need someone or something else outside of yourself to 'save' you is not 'the way'.

How God Guides Us...

Back to Jesus in John 3: The first time I heard about this 'kingdom of god' stuff years ago, I had picked up a book about Kabbalah on a whim called, "God Wears Lipstick". It was pink and had a big, red 'kiss' on the cover. I was just starting to peek beyond the bible a bit; and that part of the book's message really resonated within me - because this part of the exchange between Jesus and Nicodemus always seemed like so much more... This part of the conversation would roll around in my head like a marble.

I mean, WHY would Jesus tell Nicodemus to 'marvel not' about being born again - a 'salvation' concept that he had not provided, yet - and then later, go off about how every one that 'doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved'. AND, what about that 'wind blowest where thou listest' part?

I couldn't put my finger on what was wrong with this scene; because I could not comprehend the incredibly simple meaning of it due to my Christian beliefs before that book opened up my imagination - inspiring me to explore the topic of the 'Kingdom of God' further, for myself.

This is also another way that the gospels could have been accidentally-misinterpreted. As I said above, Rome's pagan leaders probably had a hard time believing in Jesus' original message, themselves. It was probably pretty easy for them to simply update the old pagan beliefs because of not being able to comprehend a different meaning.

Just so you know, that is how God will guide you - gently, casually. He does not push. I did not become a follower of Kabbalah. God talks in many ways. He is always with you. There is nothing to fear.

Despite controversy, many Christians deconvert into Kabbalah because it is based in the Jewish faith, just like Christianity supposedly is. It is semi-familiar and comfortable for them.

Kabbalah has the 'Tree of Life' system; while Buddhism and other religions talk about variations of the 'Chakra' system. Both 'systems' are human concepts that complicate things, further. I will explain the simplicity of both these systems, later.

The Kingdom of God Within was Jesus' Core Teaching

Continuing in John 3: Nicodemus responds "How can these things be?" as if in COMPLETE surprise - because he was USED to the concept of 'sacrificing' to 'atone' for his human nature.

Jesus seems to be amused and teasing Nicodemus in his response, "Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?"

As spiritual leaders, the 'masters of Israel' should DANG SURE be aware of the reality of their existence. If religious leaders (not necessarily only Jewish ones) - had become unaware of who they really were; and who God was in relationship to them - then it seems like a pretty good reason why Christ might have been here at that point in time to teach - reminder, much?

John 17: "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me (Jesus is saying these things BEFORE he is supposedly crucified). And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me... before the foundation of the world."

While 'the man' Jesus may be a compilation of ancient characters; 'Christ' IS a real consciousness that has 'come down from heaven as 'the son of man which is [also] in heaven'. That is the 'we' he is referring to in this scripture: "We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness."

Nicodemus was probably somewhat familiar with other religious belief systems; and he may even have been more knowledgable than us - simply because he lived closer to the timelines of Lord Buddha, Lord Krishna and other Holy Men than we do. He may have been aware of more accurate and/or lost messages from teachers we may no longer even know about today.

There were several people previous to Jesus who claimed (or more commonly, their followers claimed) to be 'saviors'. And while we cannot say for certain who any of those people were - any more than we can say for certain who Jesus was; these 'Christs' also incarnated (Both Jesus and John the Baptist are on this particular list - in fact, some people believe that John the Baptist was 'the real' Jesus.) as the 'son of man which is [also] in heaven' to become 'just like us'.

The story of The Laughing Buddha is one that definately makes me think of a 'Christ Consciousness'. Supposedly, they don't really like to be made a big deal about while they are here; and yet, they make an impact whenever and wherever they go. Plus, they all seem to have similar dispositions and messages that were freely-given to the audiences of their day.

The Laughing Buddha's Last Words:

Maitreya, true Maitreya
Reborn innumerable times
From time to time manifested among men. The men of the age do not recognize him.

Compare to Christ's words:

"We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness."

Maitri is Sanskrit for 'loving kindness'. Psalms 63:3 "Because thy lovingkindness is better than life, my lips shall praise thee."

Christ and others like him have been here at times trying to show people these simple, spiritual truths - such as in The Sermon on the Mount. You will find more details about the difference between 'The Christs' and us past the video.

He probably also did 'miracles'; and may even have cast out 'demons' - yikes! However, Christ did NOTHING that he said WE are not capable of, and more. Additionally, through their various teachings, the Christs were probably trying to teach us to 'stand on our own' and 'think for ourselves':

John 14:12 I (Jesus, the person trying to teach you) tell you the truth, anyone, who has faith in me (me = 'christos', not HIM, directly) will do what I (Jesus, the person who is just like us) have been doing. He will do even greater works than these, because I (Jesus, the person) am going to the Father (God) - JUST LIKE we will someday, also.

If all this is true, and Jesus didn't actually die for our sins to save our souls from eternal damnation... What was his real purpose here; and what really happens to our soul after our body dies?

Yet more patience required: first, who & what the heck are we?!

We are Eternal mini-Universes: Models of the Big Kahuna Universe

Of course, the creation story in The Bible is a metaphor, and was considered to be that by many religious leaders before the literal age of Protestantism took the argument to new heights. More details about how God created the world, later - this is mostly about us. These images will come in handy in a few places, keep them in mind. Try not to let this part overwhelm you. God is small - said no one ever. :)

Think of this shape more 'organic' like an amoeba, while we each 'bump up' against each other and sort of 'bleed into' each other - mirroring each other - 'as one'.
Think of this shape more 'organic' like an amoeba, while we each 'bump up' against each other and sort of 'bleed into' each other - mirroring each other - 'as one'.
Three-torus model of the universe
Three-torus model of the universe | Source

This is the shape of our Universe - an infinitely-in-motion donut. Many scientists doubt this theory because that would somehow mean that it has a finite space - an edge that we could eventually see or reach. But, it is a slowly, constantly expanding donut, with God / The Source being 'the center' - which is where his/her attention is focused: on the whole of the Universe.

We are each mini-representations of the original Universe, meaning: WE are the center of our own Universe - literally. Our body exists in the 'equilibrium' between contraction and expansion - it is where OUR attention exists (see images). The entire bubble surrounding us is 'the rest of us' - the 'god-self' part of us - that we can't see. It both flows through us and encompasses all that we are - totally emersed in the Consciousness of God or 'Universal Consciousness'.

There is even a working scientific theory that Gravity - the very thing that holds our feet to the ground - is Consciousness. And since the discovery of Primordial Gravitational Waves, how far off does the theory that 'God' created the Universe sound, now?

Animals are smart within the perspective of their world.
Animals are smart within the perspective of their world.

Even more mindboggling... There are Universes within Universes, just as our body is made up of innumerable mini-Universes or cells - then into yet smaller Universes we call atoms.

Each 'Universe', no matter how small, contains its own version of 'Source Consciousness' - just like our beloved animals do. We can see that animals are 'life energy'; but they obviously experience life from a different perspective of consciousness than we do. A simpler one that doesn't do nearly as much thinking or imagining - but, is no less 'real' or perfect for them.

This consciousness is our battery or life-force. We could not exist without it. We could not breathe without it - and we don't. Our body dies without it.

While civilizations have come and gone in this world - all of this 'universal action' is eternally, infinitely in motion. It never stops.

A really comforting Near Death Experience of a 15 year old boy who describes what we are 'really like'; and that we have nothing to fear after our body dies:

This movie on Quantum Physics is over ten years old; and people are still talking about it - including in the video, above. With as much advancement in this field as there has been - an updated version might be even more mindboggling.

This video is turning out to be far more relevant than I thought it would be when I originally wrote this article - I refer back to it often from this point. If you have time, I highly-advise watching it all the way to the end. It is not a time-waster. :)

Near Death Experiences (NDE's) are one place to get a sneak peek into the process of dying - expect them to vary significantly. I chose this one because it speaks to me the most; and does a good job of explaining some of the things I am talking about in here, better.

If you have done any research into NDE's - dying actually sounds kind of exciting. In the NDE above, this gentleman gives a beautiful description of 'everything he knew about everyone' and what it is like to 'go into the light'. I have also read that you can choose to go anywhere before you go into the light, such as - visit your loved ones; or move forward or backward in 'our time' to experience things like the future or historic events - or even travel the Universe.

Our existence in this life is where the attention of our soul is currently focused.
Our existence in this life is where the attention of our soul is currently focused.

This NDE testimony provides a beautiful metaphor of 'how we exist' in this life... It is as if the entire 'eternal, internal consciousness' part of us is focused on a book or movie. You know how it is when you allow yourself to become engrossed. Someone could walk into the room (and even talk to you); and you can be so focused on the STORY in the book, that you don't even realize they are there.

It is as if we are the main character in our own play; and we are both watching and participating in the experience - simply for the experience.

Jesus Feeds the 5000

We are capable of 'believing' as Jesus did to accomplish all that he did - and more. Matthew 14: Jesus said, YOU give them something to eat. He was a teacher who was teaching people HOW to take care of themselves no matter WHAT...
We are capable of 'believing' as Jesus did to accomplish all that he did - and more. Matthew 14: Jesus said, YOU give them something to eat. He was a teacher who was teaching people HOW to take care of themselves no matter WHAT...

Jesus & Peter Walk on Water

Matthew 14: And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?

Creation 101:

This NDE video is yet another source (there are so many) that claims we are more than just bodies - and that we are somehow both ONE; and 'extremely creative beings' who create our own reality: no 'belief in' a god or religion is necessary.

Science has been developing some fascinating theories about that. (Much more about 'the science' coming up - patience, please.)

Whatever we believe is what will manifest around us. You've heard of people walking on smoldering coals and bending spoons. It is because they believe.

If you can convince yourself to believe that you can move things telekineticallly with just your mind - you can. If you believe you can feed 5000 people with a few loaves of bread and some fish, you can. Do you believe you can walk on water?

On a 'spiritual' level, if you believe that you can project your soul into the astral plane to have a face-to-face chat with Lord Krishna, you can. If your religion inspires you to believe that the Holy Spirit 'guides' you in your life - it does. If you believe that wearing a certain type of crystal will heal you - it will. If you believe 'laying on of hands and praying in Jesus name' will heal you - it will, also.

Jesus often said to people he had healed, 'Your faith has made you whole." We can certainly receive help from others. In that case, they become 'co-creators' with us - but, we receive absolutely no help UNLESS we believe.

Luke 8:45 Jesus said, Who touched me? Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me. He said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.
Luke 8:45 Jesus said, Who touched me? Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me. He said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.

Most beliefs become real to us by thinking thoughts over and over. This is why they are so hard to unravel - we 'build' them. In the case of Jesus healing people, all they had to do was watch him heal others; and they were easily convinced that he could heal them. The people Jesus healed were READY for him to heal them.

This is also how Jesus' disciples would have healed through their own christos within - by listening to his instructions (of course they had that advantage); and by watching Jesus - being influenced by his 'power' enough to convince them of their own christos or power within.

Healing was not something the disciples were capable of doing until they could believe in the truth about themselves and everyone else around them. It took time, as it takes us all time - but, being in the direct presence of Jesus probably had a profound spiritual affect to accelerate their 'believing' capabilities.

In a nutshell, the most profound thing Jesus ever tried to do was help put our lives in perspective for us so that we could - again - see ourselves for who we really are: just like him and no different.

Your 'Point of Power' and 'Point of Attraction' is always in the NOW. What do you believe? What are you creating? What are you capable of believing? What are you capable of creating?
Your 'Point of Power' and 'Point of Attraction' is always in the NOW. What do you believe? What are you creating? What are you capable of believing? What are you capable of creating? | Source

Another way that we create our reality is by 'attracting the essense of it'. Whatever we give the majority of our attention to through our thoughts and emotions will play out through our physical reality.

This is why we can 'attract' a hard or carefree life. For example, if you think a lot about what an 'unworthy sinner' you are; or worry about 'bad things' that happen in the world - what kind of situations might manifest around you? Probably not ones that bring you much satisfaction or contentment.

Whatever you 'broadcast' to the Universe through your thoughts and emotions is what you will attract to you. So, we attract the kinds of situations & people into our lives that support our beliefs. (This may not be the only reason for both 'good' & 'bad' things to happen to us - but, it is the main one.)

Election 2016: How did President Donald Trump DO that?!!

We are all born with this kind of confidence and self-worth - but, most are RE-taught 'how to behave' and 'what to believe'.
We are all born with this kind of confidence and self-worth - but, most are RE-taught 'how to behave' and 'what to believe'.
Congratulations, Trump supporters! There is no doubt that there was as MUCH passion within your campaign as Hillary's. Yeah, I'm cryin' inside for a bit, ha! Image Source: http://theweek.com/articles/606919/how-president-trump-rule-america
Congratulations, Trump supporters! There is no doubt that there was as MUCH passion within your campaign as Hillary's. Yeah, I'm cryin' inside for a bit, ha! Image Source: http://theweek.com/articles/606919/how-president-trump-rule-america

The way we believe is also why it may seem to us that 'some people' are WAY too prosperous than we think they should be; while WE struggle to put food on the table. It doesn't have anything at all to do with whether or not you are rigidly following 'the right' religion; or 'how good' you are being...

Successful people are successful because they BELIEVE IN themselves - some to the point of being obtuse about it. Donald Trump would be a good example: you can NOT tell that man that he is wrong; or that he looks goofy, etc. It isn't just that he 'won't admit it' - he literally REFUSES to believe those things about himself.

11/9/16, a post-election update: Trump WON?!! Woah! The entire world is shocked. I, personally, have some complaints about this election (who doesn't?); but from the objective perspective of this article...

Donald Trump does have an inordinantly-high amount of self-confidence; and he had many co-creators within his campaign, plus additional 'co-supporters' across the land. Votes were very divided; and some say Hillary Clinton won the popular vote - so, what does that say about America as 'a consciousness'?

We're very divided. Trump will either become 'the vessel' that America needed to help navigate us into a better world; OR we will discover he brings 'negative contrast' that we don't want - and we can then 'steer' our way toward another, potentially-better option. Relax & breathe. Creating a decent utopia between primitive tribal timelines into all-inclusive, worldwide globalization takes time, ha!

Art by  Dave Cutler
Art by Dave Cutler

The Water Cycle is the Best Representation Our Life Cycle

The water cycle probably best represents our life cycle - with 'rain' being birth; and 'evaporation' being death of the body as the non-physical, 'soul' part of us continues on.
The water cycle probably best represents our life cycle - with 'rain' being birth; and 'evaporation' being death of the body as the non-physical, 'soul' part of us continues on.

Streams, Pools, Lakes and Oceans of Life

When you start thinking about the things you WANT (not what you don't want), along with how you know you'll feel when you get them - instead of thinking about 'how things are', and how bad they make you feel - your boat will slowly start to turn in the streams of life.

Sure you still have to deal with situations - but don't allow them to 'dominate' your thoughts. Just deal with them the easiest and most logical way available to you. Listen to the 'Kingdom of God' within you that speaks largely through your intuition and emotions. 'All' of you has a much broader perspective than your 'point of attraction' (your body). We'll talk in much more detail about how to listen to your inner-guidance system, later.

Multiple streams can flow together at a time; and there are an infinite combination of them for us to choose from - without us really realizing it, at first.

Flowing tributaries meander toward larger bodies of water like lakes and oceans.
Flowing tributaries meander toward larger bodies of water like lakes and oceans.
...Those BFFs or siblings who always 'get' us; and even when they don't - still love us, unconditionally. :)
...Those BFFs or siblings who always 'get' us; and even when they don't - still love us, unconditionally. :)
Crowds could be considered 'whirlpools' as streams converge together, and then go their separate ways.
Crowds could be considered 'whirlpools' as streams converge together, and then go their separate ways.

We Can Feel 'Like One'

We can cross over streams and/or hang out in them for a bit while we make course corrections. For instance, perhaps your neighborhood has the 'dark streams' of poverty and crime running through it... or, maybe you are currently in a stream that has manifested a fullfilling career; while at the same time, another stream has swerved in to manifest illness.

We sometimes share streams with others; and they run into 'pools', 'lakes' and 'oceans', etc. For instance, a family might be a pool, a community could be considered a lake; and an entire city could be thought of as an ocean - and yet, the diversity of various streams that swirl together into these larger 'points of attraction' beyond our single little ship makes things like cities, neighborhoods, teams, bands, cliques - and even families (as a group) - 'seem alive' - don't they?

If you've been to church during a really good sermon or worship service - you have experienced what these 'pools' feel like on a spiritual level. This is why it is very difficult to convince Christians (or any religious person, I would imagine) that there is no God. Because that is simply impossible for so many of us to believe. We KNOW what we have experienced; and are unwilling to let go of the obvious.

Have you ever been to a really good concert or sporting event (Go Seahawks!) where everyone got 'caught up' in the excitement of what was going on - and you felt like you were on the same wave 'as one' with all those strangers (and our BFF's, even more)? Its the same thing.

How Streams Work and How God Communicates with Us

Streams can be 'good', 'bad', or anything in between - always bringing stuff meant to help us grow & develop in this existence. Remember the mini-universe model above... It is through 'contractions' (which can be either 'good' or 'bad') flowing through us that leads to the expansion of our soul.

This 'expansion' is constantly 'adding' to our soul; and we experience all that we have become in this life after our body dies. That is when we are capable of perceiving the reality of all that we really are.

Most good & bad things that happen to us are related to our current stream(s); and is an attempt to guide us into better waters (no one 'steers' for us). The idea behind that is: if/when we 'feel bad' - ideally, we will learn to re-orient ourselves towards 'feeling better' (instead of wallowing in the misery like so many of us do).

We instinctively know the truth. We speak it to each other all the time. Listen for it. :)
We instinctively know the truth. We speak it to each other all the time. Listen for it. :)

To simplify that... when we are happy - we are essentially 'in sync' with what 'everything we are' is feeling. Things are so simple, its mindboggling.

On the flipside, any time we 'feel bad' about ourselves or are angry about someone or something (any 'negative' emotion about anything); that is our 'indicator' that our 'inner being' (the 'god-self' part of us) does not agree with our perspective - because God always looks for (and sees) 'the good' in absolutely everything.

Yes, even things like 'abuse' - someone who abuses is damaged and screaming for love & acceptance; and the challenge that 'the abused' has to get past will cause them to 'become more' than they would have if they had not been physically harmed. Absolutely NO ONE can harm your soul. God keeps that safe - we'll get into why and how he does that, later.

We frustrated humans desperately pray for relief from our problems wondering why God does not answer our prayers... While not realizing that God is ALREADY DIRECTLY communicating with us through our body, soul and situations.

God is PURE POSITIVE ENERGY (just like we are in our non-physical form) and can only read hearts. The physical aspects of our world - including human-born beliefs & religions - are only relevant to us. God isn't 'watching' and seeing like we see; nor does he have any use for our language, thoughts or actions. They ARE tools & toys for US to utilize, however - no matter how 'right' or 'wrong' we believe they are.

As such, God cannot tell whether our hands are folded properly; or if we are kneeling during prayer. And, God simply cannot tell the difference between the sincere worship of a Christian, Muslim or Hindu - or a crazed football fan, for that matter.

I'll go into more detail about this stuff, later.

Jesus was 'naturally good'; and it is our natural state of being, too.

Jesus was well-known to be especially-protective about children; hung out with community-abhorred tax collectors; had compassion on 'harlots'; healed on the SABBATH; and in John 4 - Jesus talks to the Samaritan woman at the well: Shame! :)
Jesus was well-known to be especially-protective about children; hung out with community-abhorred tax collectors; had compassion on 'harlots'; healed on the SABBATH; and in John 4 - Jesus talks to the Samaritan woman at the well: Shame! :)

How Our Soul Expands - the Good

Have you ever had happy emotions so intense, that you felt like your heart was about to burst? Your soul is expanding!

It is easy to see why good situations happen: Joy, Love, Contentment, Good Health, Abundance, Fun and Harmony, etc., is our natural state of 'being like God'. We'll take as much of that as we can get, please!!

This was Jesus' natural state of 'being' - he made absolutely no extra effort to love or heal people. His all-inclusive, loving disposition was one of the things that was considered to be so unusual about him.

Illness could not exist where Jesus 'believed' it could not. The reason why we have a difficult time healing illnesses is because by the time we develop symptoms and realize that we are sick - we've already got a bunch of momentum going in that stream. It is more difficult to make course corrections at that point.

Compilation of Spiritual & Scientific Teachers Explaining How We Create & Perceive Reality

The Science Behind Our Reality & An Experiment in Creation

As I've said, there are so many - teachers today who confirm our existence as I'm explaining in here: we are very creative, spiritual beings having a human experience instead of the other way around. This video (right) is a complilation of some current teachers explaining black holes, vortexes and how we create & perceive our individual realities.

Warning: this video packs a serious wow factor - but may not seem entirely clear until you get through the rest of this wordy - but (hopefully) clarifying from a Christian perspective - explanation. Also, 'the leading edge' will be mentioned; but the meaning might not be clear: it is a reference to us as human beings, being on the leading edge of this physical-based reality. That will be more clear later; but should help keep things in context for the video.

I'm not kidding, WE are CREATORS - here is an experiment: take a simple topic that is innocuous to you (one that you don't already have either a positive or negative 'momentum' built up around; and that you don't usually encounter during a normal day) - such as lady bugs, sea shells or whatever.

Think about every little thing you can appreciate about that subject. Imagine yourself interacting with the item - for example, imagine yourself picking up shells on the beach; or hold an image of the object in your imagination - maybe do some picture searches online to get some inspiration.

Meditate on it, giving it all of your attention for at least ten minutes for a few mornings in a row; and also sporadically during the day, if you remember. Write about it if you don't like the idea of meditation. The point is to concentrate your focus on it.

After the first morning, sometimes - you will start to notice an increase in how often you cross paths with that subject during the day. It is mindboggling (and can get pretty funny) how many different ways the universe can find to bring that subject into your experience.

The Universe LOVES us and OFTEN goes out of its way to show it. It is the NATURAL, 'default' state for wellbeing to flow FREELY to and through us. :)

And, by this time, after I've described 'how it works' - you can probably look back on your life and see where you have indeed attracted either 'good' or 'bad' situations, people or things into your life that supported your beliefs - almost always, your 'creations' begin from persistent, rolling-thoughts in your mind.

The most frustrating spiritual lesson to learn. Ugh! I highly recommend taking advantage of things like 'the silent scream' and just screaming at the Universe, in general. I somehow did not get struck by lightning. :)
The most frustrating spiritual lesson to learn. Ugh! I highly recommend taking advantage of things like 'the silent scream' and just screaming at the Universe, in general. I somehow did not get struck by lightning. :)

The Most Maddening Lesson

The fact that we create our own reality can be a really frustrating thing for seekers to accept, at first - especially since it is so easy to look back in hindsight and see exactly 'how we got here'. It is almost embarrassing, certainly undeniable and often funny.

Plus, we don't want to hear that almost everything that happens to us is pretty much our own fault. No, its my MOM's fault or my alcoholic husband's or the fault of politicians, etc. Things aren't MY fault... I have personally thrown things and smashed them against the wall.

For instance, it is very very difficult for me not to blame the religion of Christianity for the split between my mother and myself (another common story) - and I'm sure I'm not entirely there, yet. Some course corrections take more time than others.

The bottom line is, even though we may share streams - and even though we start out in the 'same stream' as our mother/parents/family, church congregations, and friends, etc. - we don't have to stay in anyone else's negative streams - whether we live with them, or not.

Actors & Actresses laugh and cry on cue.
Actors & Actresses laugh and cry on cue.

We have control over our own thoughts & emotions. We are each the captain of our own ship - no matter what is happening to us, or going on around us. While this may seem like an impossibility for us to do, at times - we watch actors & actresses manipulate their emotions for us all the time while playing 'let's pretend' on TV and in movies. We have more control than we realize.

This is also why 'escaping' can be good for us - as a diversion or a plain 'ol break.

The purpose of both 'good' and 'bad' situations is to cause our soul to expand.
The purpose of both 'good' and 'bad' situations is to cause our soul to expand.

How Our Soul Expands - the Bad

'The good' in 'bad' situations can be a LOT harder for us to detect. It is related to both our goals of soul-expansion; AND the solution - meaning, every problem includes the inspiration or 'pushing off point' for its own solution, if we can both realize it and reach for it (as an individual, or collectively).

For example, when we find the ROOT of a problem - such as holding something inside that needs to be released (resentment, perhaps); then we can use that knowledge to alter our course (by altering our thoughts & emotions surrounding it); and 'push off' towards healing the resentment that we have been hoarding.

Another way we can move beyond a bad situation is by finding the good in it - no matter how ugly it seems to be. Focusing our attention on the good, instead of 'the bad' can help us discover the path beyond it.

Christians who come to different conclusions than their parents, families or communities should not become outcasts. Really. We haven't been led astray; and we're not 'possessed' nor 'insane'.
Christians who come to different conclusions than their parents, families or communities should not become outcasts. Really. We haven't been led astray; and we're not 'possessed' nor 'insane'. | Source

Continuing Example

For instance, with regards to the situation I talked about with my mother: I can choose to focus on 'the bad' (and how that makes me feel) or 'the good'. Sometimes you may need to focus on the bad for a while and 'work your way up' toward feeling better - just like a course correction on a ship takes a little time, and sometimes through rough waters.

But, I am currently comfortable thinking about my mother like this: I KNOW we love each other. And while we have always sort of irritated each other (we have opposite 'styles', ha!), we could also be quite the giggle twins. It is those times and that 'feeling of giggling with her' that I try to focus on (and her smell which I will apparently never forget); because *I* know that mother/daughter bond is the 'real truth' of our relationship - and the 'split' between us is a silly situation that she happens to believe is very serious...

Her only daughter's eternal soul is on the line! That isn't an easy thing for a mom to be thinking about - and it is 'the thing' that I still hold against the religion of Christianity: for inspiring her believe those things so erroneously & emphatically.

Oh yeah, I know my mamma loves me, ha!

And yet, no one can 'make us' believe (or unbelieve) anything... this is why excommunicating your unbelieving children (or whatever their 'sin' is) is really uncool. How does it make anyone feel? In hindsight, I would not have told my mother about any of this, except that she was naturally in the loop when I began questioning. As my questions grew, and I started 'discovering' things - and I couldn't stop - that is when she cut me off.

However, I have absolutely no doubt (you'll see why, later) that our relationship is okay. It will heal naturally and with perfect timing, either in this life or later. She has her own 'christos' that is helping her through her life experience; and I have mine.

Solutions are often (not always) as simple as 'letting go' of the harsh things within our current stream that has made us 'sick' - such as, not being able to see ourselves as anything other than a victim, to be able to forgive a past abuser.

Forgiveness & Unconditional Love is easier than we thought; and is a HUGE relief for our soul - we'll get to that, eventually.

Also, an illness can be a good way to get our attention and/or the rest our body & soul has been craving. It can even be a way to get attention from others that we have been 'needing' - since God works through us via our 'christos'. Plus, illnesses and harsh situations, in general, often bring opportunities to heal relationships - or even create new ones.

If a situation ends in death, then that is exactly how things are supposed to go. God does not see 'death' the same way we do... For God, bringing us home is a joyous opportunity of expansion for everyone concerned; and our soul is NEVER in 'disagreement' with it: even if it does not feel that way from our limited human perspective leading up to it; or from the perspective of those we leave behind. However, once 'death' happens (we never actually 'die'); we can look back and see the perfect purpose of it.

In fact, since most of us have such a hard time understanding God's 'indicators'; and he never forces his will or perception on us - death can often be 'the only way' to bring us the relief that we have been so desperate for. God absolutely will NOT perform a miracle for us just because we think that he should. (Although many people DO still experience 'miracles' as they 'believe' - both within religious contexts and otherwise.)

Matthew 15:30 "And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them."
Matthew 15:30 "And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them."

The Difference Between Crowds of Jesus' Day and Us

Our purpose in this life is to figure out how to utilize what we know, in order to fix our own problems - so that our lives as both individuals and communities become less full of strife and more satisfying. We are creators, our job is essentially to bring 'Heaven to Earth'.

Jesus' healed people in LINES all day long. Most were simple folks who got to see 'miracles' happen right before their very eyes; and some of those people experienced one within their own body.

It was a different time with the majority being lost in the brutal vastness of Rome's many pagan religions and poverty. The people of Jesus' day were a different crowd in need of a serious spiritual infusion of Hope, Love and Understanding. Because for humanity to simply 'survive' is not necessarily enough...

But, that isn't what the crowd of this day & age is in need of. We have plenty of Hope and every other good thing swirling around us. MUCH of the reason for that hope TODAY is due to past 'expansions' mankind has gone through. And, as important... Jesus was 'called' because of the 'desires' of previous humans decades before his time craving relief & truth about themselves.

As such, we are essentially in a place to 'reap the benefits' of others who have lived before us - while continuing to slowly expand, create and 'pave the way' into all that mankind can become into generations still beyond.. :)

Row Row Row Your Boat is a more profound song than we thought. Capt. Kirk and the boys do this song justice.

The Main Reason Why Our World is in Chaos

This is the main reason why our world is in chaos, because most of us don't realize that we 'co-create' or 'co-attract' this entire world all the way down to our individual selves, families and communities. And since we don't realize that we do this - or HOW we do this - chaos galore!

It's okay... supposedly the chaos is part of helping us to 'become' in this world.

Life is but a dream, and our hearts are boats in the stream... We had no idea what a profound song, 'Row Row Row Your Boat' is. The fact that it is sung 'in a round' with voices 'streaming' into each other makes it that much more profound.

What Happens to Our Soul When Our Body Dies?

When we die, we remove our attention from this realm of suspended belief to return to the fullness of our natural state of being. Essentially, we read the last page, close the book - and probably fall into that 'between worlds' feeling for a bit until we re-adjust to our 'real lives' again - JUST like we do at the end of any good book. The NDE video above describes this general process very well.

Where Evil Comes From

Sometimes, the transition between this physical life and our non-physical one can seem really scary - you may have heard of NDE's where people have experienced things that resemble 'hell'. It can be easier or more difficult from our current perspective based on what we believe about death.

Note that, EVEN IF a person experiences 'heaven' in the beginning - their 'beliefs' can still play a role. What have you been taught? Are you looking forward to heaven? Do you believe there is a 'hell'? Have you 'been bad' to fear it? Does the concept of evil scare you?

Pslams 23: Fear no evil.

Humans create evil - which means, we can also regain control over it and deal with it.
Humans create evil - which means, we can also regain control over it and deal with it.

A reminder: 'evil' did not even SORT of scare Jesus. He knew exactly who he was, where evil comes from, and how to deal with it.

Matthew 8:16 When evening came, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed; and He cast out the spirits with a word (GO! or Rockma!), and healed all who were ill. Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. (You can plainly see it within me.) Luke 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. (Through the Kingdom of God or 'Christos' within.)

The nutshell version: our beliefs create both evil and illness - not that they aren't 'real' as we are experiencing them - just like 'real' illnesses that Jesus healed became obsolete. It depends on the stream that we have been navigating in, as to how real evil becomes to us. It can affect us temporarily into our transition from this life until we become fully aware of ALL of our 'awareness'. It doesn't take long. Supposedly, it can be not quite instantaneous.

In other words, we can no more bring 'evil' into our afterlives (or experience it) - any more than we can experience sickness - simply because we don't have a human body to experience those human things, anymore. Everything that happens to us is for the purpose of our soul's expansion: both 'good' & 'bad' stream through us (re: mini-universe model); with only 'the good' (which is the only thing that actually exists) - causing the expansion.

I don't know about you, but that sounds extremely powerful, to me. I'll actually talk in more detail about 'how & why God does that', later. :)

It is highly-unlikely that we will ever collectively get to this point - and certainly not anytime soon, if we do. :)
It is highly-unlikely that we will ever collectively get to this point - and certainly not anytime soon, if we do. :)

“Whatever plane (or stream) our consciousness may be acting in, both we and the things belonging to that plane are, for the time being, our only realities. As we rise in the scale of development (or our body dies) we perceive that during the stage through which we have passed we mistook shadows for realities, and the upward progress of the Ego is a series of progressive awakenings.” The Secret Doctrine

The better relationship you have with the non-physical part of yourself - the easier the process of 'dying' will be for you. NO ONE ends up 'in hell'. We'll see WHY no one goes there when we get more into our navigation system; as well as WHAT are our treasures in heaven!!

Yeah, it sounds like dying might be as fascinating as this life can be. But, the NDE doesn't go very far beyond that... what happens AFTER we 'go into the light'?

Doesn't matter, back to The Christ:

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The Difference Between Christ and Us

The most unusual thing about Jesus (and the other 'Christs' that we know about) was that he chose to care for and about people beyond 'the norm'. Most ‘spiritual' teachers both past & present teach NOT to worry about your neighbor or anyone else. God is looking out for them; and everything is working out the way it is supposed to – no matter how sick their bodies or their lives are.

Jesus taught people to 'turn the other cheek' - so that we don't fall into the trap of getting caught up in someone else's bad attitude or 'darkness'.

Essentially, other people have their stuff to go through; and you have your's... Let God 'do his job' so that you don't accidentally become entangled in something that 'isn't your's', etc. This is actually really good advice, generally speaking; because most of us are not here to participate in this life in that way.

Images from 'The Bible' series.
Images from 'The Bible' series.

However, Jesus was a teacher who chose to share what he knew with superstitious people who probably didn't 'believe' very good things about themselves - and, helped those (often desperate) people where they needed it. He died for doing that, simply because of what/how people of that time 'believed'.

Jesus could easily have lived a rich, healthy, long life - but, he was HAPPY to come play with us; KNOWING how it would affect and 'expand' the collective consciousness of all mankind.

The ONLY difference between 'Christs' and us - is that we have not returned to The One, yet. Our spirit is NOT 'completely in heaven' at the same time we are in this existence. Our soul is not 'complete' (or 'awakened', 'realized' or 'aligned', etc. - many different words are used to describe this concept) - to fully become one with The Creator, yet.

However, neither are we EVER disconnected from Our Source.

Christ is simply a soul that has completed ALL of its life lessons to 'become one' with The Source of God (or at least, closer than most of us ever have). And since he started out JUST LIKE US, he is able to return to us in a way that God himself, cannot. Christ HAS to be born into a human form that contains his christos - just like us - in order to physically interact in this plane of existence. Just like we do.

Original Source and Creator of ALL Life & Universes = 'God'

The Tentative Apologist: What place, then, for a creator?
The Tentative Apologist: What place, then, for a creator? | Source

The One cannot leave the confines of the original, indigenous realm; so Christ - and OTHERS LIKE that soul who have also figured out how to spiritually reconnect - is how God experiences and takes part in their existence: by working through their 'christos'.

He does the same thing with us 'disconnected humans', but we don't realize it. We BELIEVE that we are disconnected from God when we are NOT. No matter how 'undeveloped' our souls may be; there is a part of us that is ALWAYS connected. We are as much 'Sons of God' as Christ is, and we always have been. We are NOT 'adopted' or 'saved' as Christian Theology dictates.

This is the way we are created, to experience lives that The Creator cannot. This is ALSO WHY reincarnation is IRRELEVANT. Whether it exists or not is completely beside the point.

It will take however long it is supposed to take for your soul to 'return to God' completely - according to however long he/she decides it is going to take. Would you have it any other way?

We are meant to become Companions of God - just like Christ and others like him already are. When you think about it, it is really nice of 'The Christ's' to pay us earthly humans a visit every once in a while - or any attention, at all.

Why would they?

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1 John 4
1 John 4

Unconditional Love - Embracing Both the Good and the Bad

Because they are ONE with GOD and GOD is LOVE. God loves ALL of his creation, it is IMPOSSIBLE for him to hate any part of it. (The NDE video above explains this very well.) And, as 'lowly' as we humans supposedly are - we are as much a concern of God as the Christ's were when they were where we are now.

This is the biggest and most difficult lesson for EVERY soul in this experience to learn: how can God love absolutely EVERYTHING about ALL that he/she has created? As mere humans, we cannot BEGIN to fathom what 'Unconditional Love' means to God. So many people of various faiths strive for it as if it is something we can completely comprehend and achieve. Most people can't, and God does not require us to while we exist in this earthly realm BECAUSE we DO feel 'disconnected' when we are here. That is part of the experience.

Sure, Jesus gave us the golden rule that tells us to do unto others as we would have done to us, etc. But, who do we have the most difficult time loving unconditionally?

No, we have been led to believe this... keep reading, the truth is so much more powerful!
No, we have been led to believe this... keep reading, the truth is so much more powerful!
Stop judging each other and stop judging yourself. Learn how to love - even yourself - unconditionally. Photo by stockimages
Stop judging each other and stop judging yourself. Learn how to love - even yourself - unconditionally. Photo by stockimages

OURSELVES. Christians (there are other religions & cultures who do this in various ways) are especially 'programmed' in this life to judge themselves as much (and more harshly) than others - for much smaller offenses. For instance, I've seen Christians 'accidentally' tell a little white lie; and feel so bad about it afterwards that they practically became suicidal.

This is because most Christians are taught that every time we sin, we nail Jesus Christ to the cross all over again. Guilt, much?!

Just trust me on this, for now... Christ does not want ANYONE feeling 'guilty' over anything concerning him. You don't understand 'sin': "they know not what they do". That isn't what his death was about.

Many ugly people may actually be very loving beings - but don't remember. It is like we are given a serious case of amnesia when we're born. Our memories are erased for a reason (watch the NDE video).

How else would a 'god' experience something like the innocence of a child - without forgetting that they are a god and actually becoming a child? How else would an omnipotent, non-dual, all-inclusive-male-female being experience the difference between being male and female - or any of the fifty shades of grey in between?

How can a generically-loving being actually experience 'falling in love' or the humiliation of betrayal? What about victory and defeat? What about that joyous feeling of decorating the house for Christmas? And what about 'that thing' that happens to you - as a human - when your favorite song comes on the radio?

It is EASY to Love Unconditionally

As 'one' we are all part of a whole - sort of like cells in a body. We mirror each other, as much as we hate to admit it. The people that we dislike or love the most are exactly the way 'we would be' under the same circumstances and born with the same disposition, etc. Once you realize that, it is so much easier to stop judging people, forgive and LOVE them - and their quirks. :)

Our 'amnesia' gives us a sense of 'being a singular human' in this world. It may actually be rather difficult for us to experience what it is like to be an individual - to this extent - outside of our earthly realm of suspended belief.

So, reminders or 'a light through the thick fog' about love are a good idea because we humans can really get confused about things, right? How hopeless would this life be if we really thought this skin that we have to live in every day was 'it'? There are times when we have all felt like we are more than the sum of our parts - big, like that would fill up a room.

Image from 'The Bible' film.
Image from 'The Bible' film.

What Did Christ Teach About Love?

Matthew 5 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others?"

Matt 25: "For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."

The REAL Message of Christ and what happens to people who are NOT 'born again':

This is why Christ said: "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."

Because we each 'are who we are'; and we CANNOT CONTROL our spiritual destiny as Christianity (and other religions) insist that we can. The best thing you can do for 'God' in this life is to LIVE your life to the fullest according to your conscious and life experience as those things grow and develop in you.

You ARE [an expression of] God; and you WILL return home when you are ready - without condition:

BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY GOD KNOWS HOW TO LOVE!!!!

Unconditionally.

New Reasons Jesus' Death Was Included in the Bible

Many people have come to believe that the story of Christ's death, resurrection and 'salvation plan' for humanity was included in The Bible for one of two reasons:

1) The man we know as Jesus may actually have died in the way that has been described - simply because that was a common way for rebels (religious or otherwise) to die in those days. However, he did NOT DIE to SAVE anyone from their 'sins'. Again, sins and 'sacrificing' were pagan concepts.

There is really no way to know for certain if this was an intentionally-deceptive storyline twist; or we humans of the future have misinterpreted things this drastically over time. See again, the alternative interpretation above on, "I am the way the truth and the life". It is a very subtle variance, and an easy mistake for anyone to make - even during the founding of the religion - trying to translate from one language into another.

2) The death/resurrection/salvation part of the story may have been plagarized from previous accounts as a spiritual metaphor - not necessarily to 'deceive' anyone. This is where that belief might apply...

Awareness is Resurrection

Did you know that only 5% of our cognitive activities (decisions, emotions, actions, behaviour) is conscious; while the remaining 95% is basically on auto-pilot being generated in a non-conscious manner based on previous learning since we were born? Source

The Kingdom of God

What Jesus says about the Kingdom of God in the Gnostic Scrolls.
What Jesus says about the Kingdom of God in the Gnostic Scrolls.

How We Connect with God

It is said in many religions in various ways - although it is often ignored - you are the closest to God when your attention is fully-present 'in the moment' - when your mind is focused; and not wandering away through various forms of 'escapes'. Thoughts that stay in the present are naturally unconcerned about the past and not worried about the future. (And not feeling insecure at all because you LOVE yourself and everyone else, unconditionally. :)

When we begin to accept ourselves 'as is' and 'remain present', we are essentially starting to realize our character in this life; and 'make it real' within the various streams that we exist within: we are 'resurrecting' or 'awakening' to directly participate with much more conscious intent.

'Connect' the physicial, emotional and inner/god-self parts of you - allowing your non-physical self to flow through your physical self like the 'stream' that it is (see 'we are mini-universes', above).

ALL of your intentions, attention & energy STAY present with you (in your body) - allowing your soul to experience the waves of your emotions no matter how good or bad they feel, using them as your navigation system.

Btw, there are lots of non-religious folks (and religious ones) who do this 'staying present' stuff, naturally... And are no doubt wondering why I'm talking about it as if it is something to strive for. Cheers to you! :)

Emotions are the navigation system for the soul.
Emotions are the navigation system for the soul.
We've all gotten totally lost while concentrating and giving our undivided attention to things we are obsessing over. :)
We've all gotten totally lost while concentrating and giving our undivided attention to things we are obsessing over. :)

It is a relaxing, 'go with the flow' experience - not a struggle. Let go and let God... It is your ego that is filled with all kinds of beliefs consisting of worries and fears that keeps us from 'letting go' and trusting our natural intuition and instincts - and, it keeps us from sensing these indicators, clearly. For instance, sometimes we are picking up someone else's 'indicators' and we don't realize that it isn't our's.

We are familiar with what it feels like to remain present... When we do things like play a musical instrument; or our mind gets lost in something with all of our intent, especially in a highly-focused, almost obsessive way - we are 'naturally' staying present in the moment; and we are also creating with our entire being - a very good way to create.

Also, you are no longer helping to create and/or magnify problems - your's, Humanity's or anyone else's - by obsessing over them. Thinking about and imagining the solution to problems puts you in a better place to help and CONSCIOUSLY-create solutions (see Creation 101 above).

Escaping vs Experiencing

By all means, take in the occassional escape. We have this ability for a few reasons: 1) so that we CAN escape and relax because this life can get so hard; and 2) so that we can participate in our lives, communities and cultures - reading books; or hanging out with your friends to watch a concert or see a movie, etc.

Of course, we can also stay completely present during events with others - or allow our minds to sort of 'flip to auto' (while often wandering away). The difference is our focus: either 'escaping' or 'experiencing' - and yeah, it can be a varying mix of both.

We are here to create and experience life, not heaven.

Some souls find it easier to stay present than others do - and some moments (such as happy ones) are easier to stay present in.

It isn't a constant thing, and it is not meant to become a constant thing as some religions claim. Sure, there is a 'nirvana' that can be reached - but, why would you want to be in that headspace so often while you are here? When your body dies, there is Nirvana or Heaven.

Jesus chose to stay on the cross instead of 'poofing' off to The Bahamas. Why, if it wasn't for salvation of souls? More to come...
Jesus chose to stay on the cross instead of 'poofing' off to The Bahamas. Why, if it wasn't for salvation of souls? More to come...

The Ego is a Tool

It wasn't even a constant thing for Jesus. In fact, being varying degrees of 'disconnected' IS a tool: Jesus ALLOWED himself to be tortured and nailed to a cross; when he could probably have 'thought' himself to The Bahamas by that point.

Sure, Jesus started out still having compassion as he was hanging up there - as noted by his conversation with one of the thieves next to him. But later when he says, "Why have you forsaken me"... He was probably having a pretty difficult time 'believing' - or, maybe his christos intentionally-stepped into the background so that he wouldn't be tempted to heal himself and escape toward sunshine and greener pastures? :)

Any time we feel abandoned or lonely - ANY time - we are actually lonely for 'all that we are'. We humans often look to others to fill that void; but the best relationships happen when both people feel secure & accepted within themselves.

The ego acts like a valve, allowing the stream of our broader perspective to flow through us based on 'what we believe' - is it barely a drip, a trickle, flowing freely or gushing? It will vary based on 'what you are allowing'.

I really don't mean to compare Dr. Suess's Cat in the Hat to Jesus Christ... Okay, maybe I do. ;)
I really don't mean to compare Dr. Suess's Cat in the Hat to Jesus Christ... Okay, maybe I do. ;)

Learning how to 'control the weather' - through our thoughts & emotions - within our mini-Universe so that the ego can relax and let the stream flow freely through us - no matter what is going on around us - is supposedly a very-doable trick. However, we are not required to master it as Christ had it mastered. Most of us are still children at play. :)

We never make a 'wrong choice'. Any choice we make is where we will experience life from - complete with all the various rewards and/or consequences - because we are explorers on a frontier.

God is our Baseline

We are here to explore situations, feelings and emotions that God cannot, will not and absolutely REFUSES to experience - because he/she is our baseline, keeping us eternally 'untouched' by whatever ugly things we might go through while we are focused here.

'Baseline' is a concept used in many systems to determine 'variance' against normal or expected results. My favorite definition: the return to an original state.

God can only attract 'the good' in our lives because it is all that really exists. Here's why:

We are God's Sons & Daughters:

Most Christians think this verse is talking about angels - nope, they are not the 'sons of God'. In fact, I don't think angels are different from us or Jesus. They are probably beings like us, just not focused in a physical existence at the moment.
Most Christians think this verse is talking about angels - nope, they are not the 'sons of God'. In fact, I don't think angels are different from us or Jesus. They are probably beings like us, just not focused in a physical existence at the moment.

The Original Creation Story

Legends, even Christianity's creation story - tell variations of why God created this kind of existence: because he/she was the 'only one' and wanted an EQUAL companion. God became lonely, so excrutiatingly lonely. Who knows how long God may have been in that state? God was miserable...

This 'agony' created DESIRE to no longer be alone - negative emotions have a profound purpose in our lives to inspire all kinds of desires and repulsions within us - which is one of the ways we figure out both what we want, and do not want, to create.

God was ecstatic with the first glimmers of creation; and the many souls (or sons of God) made 'in his image' - because God was (and is) happy to no longer be alone - plus, now there is US to explore and experience all kinds of various lives and types of existences with. God's fun levels pre-creation and post-creation are dramatically different.

Based on this original creation formula, agony (or any negative emotion) causes desire to expand the soul until it can realize how to create the desire. Desires that are born out of 'bad' stuff, always end up 'being good' - sort of like a bouy will always re-orient itself out in the waves no matter how rough they are.

To simplify that, when someone is mean to us - we desire them to be nice. When we are mean - we desire ourselves to be nicer, etc. When we're poor, we 'wish' we had more money - and theoretically, we eventually create a way to get it. Desires from negative emotions are the INSPIRATION from which more 'good' is created.

This is the same concept behind how 'bad' streams are meant to not only help our soul expand - but guide us into 'good' waters.

How God Creates 'Only Good' - Agony vs. Desire

Extracting the good out of our existence isn't really an effort that God makes. Its just inevitable.

An extreme example is a person who kills another (because of an obsession or their perspective of circumstances) - and succeeds. The murderer is later often full of regret, hating themselves and desiring to be a better person. And even if they are not, God knows their heart, and knows why they have no regret.

Our hearts are completely exposed to God because we are a natural part of Source. Being 'just the Universe' (no small feat) without human hangups has its advantages: no human perception, no human judgments, no human knowledge of human ideals beyond 'how things feel'.

If a person's heart is completely dark, God knows why they 'believe' the way they do about themselves: through reading the lifestory of their emotions. The reason people do bad things or 'turn bad' is NEVER EVER EVER because the person was 'born evil'; nor has that soul become 'too evil' to not eventually be able to return to their natural state of being at death.

We're All Born Naturally and Completely 'Connected' - Then Duality (and expansion) Begins

When we are born is when we begin to 'become dual' beings with a soul and a physically-based ego BOTH meant to assist in our expansion in this life. The ego (not the personality) 'falls away' when our body dies: its purpose complete.
When we are born is when we begin to 'become dual' beings with a soul and a physically-based ego BOTH meant to assist in our expansion in this life. The ego (not the personality) 'falls away' when our body dies: its purpose complete.

When have you EVER looked into the eyes of a newborn baby and thought, "Hmmm, I don't know... This one looks like it could be a little 'off' right out of the starting gate."

No! We're ALL born PERFECTLY 'CONNECTED' with our SOURCE from day ONE - and more importantly, we REMAIN perfectly connected throughout our lives.

While our body may not always be born perfect; and we are not always born into perfect (or even semi-safe) situations, there is a reason for that: 10 times out of 10 it has to do with the original intentions that the soul - as an entire being before they were born - set forth in order to eventually cause a certain level or type of expansion.

Yes, we sometimes CHOOSE to come into this life with handicaps; and we also choose our parents and general life paths. Parents also choose their children; and we come into 'agreements' with each other as co-creators. Our familial connections (and every other close connection we develop) are INDEED eternal.

Yes, we love each other that much (as eternal beings) - to become each other's biggest human supporters and/or 'pains in the butts' in this life, ha! The NDE video goes into this; and there is much more info about this 'pre-choosing' aspect of things out in Internetland. Try not to let this subject become a diversion for you, some people can really get wrapped up in it. We don't need to know every little detail about how every 'engine' in our life works. This is all you really need to know about it.

We are NEVER in danger of 'losing our soul' NOR of being 'eternally punished'. We're NOT BAD (we're NOT bad children, we're NOT bad parents, we're NOT bad friends & neighbors, NOR bad stewards of the land or governments) - we're temporary human bodies with eternal souls going through experiences in this physical world.

Surprise, that's it. :)

God is beyond all-knowing and all-forgiving - he/she is all-understanding. The amount of compassion God has for each individual soul is literally out of this world.

A Reason for Everything

When anything 'bad' happens, as in our example with the murderer above, God knows the other person (co-creator) who was killed is 'fine' (beyond fine, even); and the 'victim' has received the soul-expansion that they were aiming for. God is always focused on 'the good'.

There is a reason for absolutely everything to be happening to us. Our eternal god-self is always orchestrating or 'attracting' events (the big ones are usually pre-set; but nothing is set in stone) - often with other 'eternal mini-Universes' within our streams - in such a way that causes our soul to experience whatever 'expansion' it needs from wherever we are currently at. We can also be part of a 'pool' of expanding souls.

This may seem like an unfair, semi-hopeless message for prisoners, because it sounds like you helped co-created this dire situation - and now YOU have to pay for the rest of this life. Essentially, it feels like you'll experience 'the good' out of this ugly experience - someday - probably after you die, just like the victim did.

What Human rules & beliefs are really for: Humans.

What a victim gets out of any situation is different than what an offender gets. And, being a creator means that we can turn ANY situation around. And some prisoners (and victims who don't die) DO exactly that.

Remember, we don't have to remain in ugly streams... We have the option to 'expand' during this physical life; OR later, after our body dies. Because we are Creator-Captains of our own ship, we always have choices - we just need to realize it.

Many Christians worry that this message means 'go ahead and sin'... But, absolutely NO ONE is born wanting to 'be bad' when they grow up. It simply doesn't 'feel good' - it isn't our natural state of being. Plus, dealing with the consequences of murder (or whatever) in this life is not a generally-pleasant thing.

Murderers still 'pay' one way or another - either through their own judgment, the judgment of society, the chaos of circumstances that can develop around those things - or, a combination. God certainly isn't conveying to us that WE should not utilize the tools we've come up with to maintain order among ourselves.

Frankly, our Human rules & beliefs are as much a part of helping to create the stories that make up our lives to cause the expansions of our souls - as anything else. However, discovering ways to keep people from becoming so twisted in the first place - should maybe become one of mankind's top priorities.

The Best Things in Life Are Free

YES! We Have Treasures in Heaven!!

Matthew 6:20-21 "But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

These 'good parts' of our lives that Source attracts & maintains for us will stay with us forever after our lives are complete in this existence. These are 'the treasures' that God keeps for us in heaven.

In fact, when we are free from these physical bodies - we will know everything, again (see NDE video); and our minds will 'work like God's'. People who have passed on no longer see you in the limited way they did while they were here. They see who you really are, as God does. Being 'non-physical' is very different for us from the way we experience life in this limited way, now - but, how else would the story 'seem real'? (Another link to the NDE video above if you haven't seen it, already.)

No matter where you are in this learning process, it is highly-likely that your life will slowly become more fulfilling - while building momentum as you become more familiar with being connected to all that you are. It is an integral, understated part of you that will grow stronger as it is used and 'worked' like a muscle.

Know ye not ye are the temple [of your christos]? Stay present in your precious moments. You and God are connected buddies. Photo by imagerymajestic
Know ye not ye are the temple [of your christos]? Stay present in your precious moments. You and God are connected buddies. Photo by imagerymajestic

What changes when you practice 'staying present'?

Staying in the moment is actually kind of hard to do, consistently - try it. All kinds of thoughts are always trying to pop into your head to take you elsewhere. But, as you begin to 'practice' as often as you remember; and stay in the present for as long as you can each time - it will become easier and second nature to you.

As you gain experience with staying in the moment, you will notice that when some offensive thought comes into your mind, you will begin to automatically reject the ones that your 'true self' does not want to become a part of you. Eventually, unwanted thoughts come at you less often. You also begin to distinguish between your thoughts and other static you may be picking up on.

And don't get hung up on things surrounding Chakras or the Pituitary Gland, etc. Your connection, no matter how 'undeveloped' it may be with The Source of God is DIRECT, just as Christ's is. Religious rituals are human concepts. While some of them may be 'stepping stones' to help you realize some spiritual thing - they are not 'the way'; and you don't need them, anymore.

Do you need to know how any system in your body works - digestion, circulation, etc. - in order for them to work? They just work - and they did long before humans became aware of their anatomy.

The Meaning of Sex!! ;)

The only thing that is nice to know, although not imperative - is that the Solar Plexus is the organ that processes your emotions - just as your eyes process sight, and your ears process sound, etc. This is why a heartache literally feels like your heart is aching; and joy feels like you are getting ready to take flight.

Also, sex was designed in this existence to be both extremely pleasurable and the means for creating life for good reason: a sexual climax is so SWEET because that is a taste of what a fully-realized / complete / aligned / awakened soul feels like when it connects to Source. And, when you are lingering in the afterglow... heaven for a while, literally.

God did not leave us down here without that profound reminder.

Some of you will just have to trust me on this point (or not)... A sexual orgasm feels exactly like the same experience as 'being baptized in the holy spirit' except without the sex - plus, orgasms aren't usually powerful enough to make you start speaking in other tongues. Well, close maybe, ha! There is a plethora of information on the spiritual aspects of sex if you are interested in digging through piles of stories & research about it.

You will also begin to realize what your 'intuition' is saying to you, more clearly. And, because we see ourselves as individuals; we may each hear something different than someone else will hear in a seemingly-similar circumstance. This is why judging others has to go.

Additionally, we may FAIL at clearly-hearing what our 'divine inner self' is saying to us. Messages can get lost in translation; and/or we can 'be bad' (use our ego/free will) and reject what our instincts are telling us. In this case, we are simply learning a lesson or going through an experience. But, how many times have any of us ever regretted ignoring that nagging voice in the back of our mind?

One last thing about staying in the moment... another 'spiritual fad' that has probably always been around - is that other demonic entities, alien beings, 'thought forms' - or simply souls detached from their bodies - can become attached to your spiritual essense.

However, if YOU are inhabiting your body, there is no room for anyone or anything else. Any 'attachments' you may have will eventually leave because they are not being fed; and because they don't get to have any fun. 'All of you' is now doing all of the driving; and you are not sharing the wheel. :)

Everyone and everything is connected to God. We all know exactly how to connect with our Source. Humans may complicate it, but it is the most natural connection in the world for us to make. So, relax and just do it.
Everyone and everything is connected to God. We all know exactly how to connect with our Source. Humans may complicate it, but it is the most natural connection in the world for us to make. So, relax and just do it.

Prayer & Meditation

If you become overwhelmed, and 'staying present' becomes difficult for you - go ahead and talk to Christ - even when you're not overwhelmed and 'just because'. Having the option to do that can be a lifesaver - if for no other reason, than prayer has the potential to bring us grounding comfort when we need it the most. Remember, he said that he was everywhere 'in spirit'?

Prayer can be as simple as talking to yourself; and is a good way to 'give stuff back to the Universe' that you don't want - thoughts, feelings, emotions, etc. Sometimes negative ones cling to us just because we need to release them.

Spiritual things are a lot simpler than most of us were taught. If you're putting a lot of thought into something; and you're only getting more confused - you're thinking too much. Blow it all into an imaginary balloon - then let it go and drift away. You can start over with a fresh mind, later.

God Appreciates & Loves Us as Much as We Do Him...

Meditation should be no more complicated than prayer. Psalm 46:10 - "Be still and know that I am God." It is an easy, quiet, personal spiritual exchange of love, appreciation (do you know that God appreciates YOU being 'down here on the leading edge' AS MUCH as you appreciate God? TRUTH!) - and sometimes knowledge between you and your christos.

It is normal for meditation to last ten to twenty minutes. Even a few seconds can help. Many spiritual teachers today teach new meditators to begin with a minute or two at a time - perhaps speckled throughout the day when you think about it. Relax and 'just be' for as long as it feels natural or good - letting any intrusive thoughts just float by like clouds; but don't let them touch you.

As meditation becomes more familiar to you, you'll begin to experience subtle communications with your entire self; and you WILL KNOW that it is 'you' and NOT some questionable 'evil spirit' or whatever. It will feel like the most natural thing... In your daily life, you are constantly sending information to your eternal self; but meditation teaches you how to 'receive', also: be still and know.

You'll learn the most mind-boggling things about yourself. Those 'thoughts' (heard, seen or an 'impression') will naturally touch you in the most perfect way that you need - they won't float away like clouds. This 'communication' never gets old, and is a huge boost for us every single time it happens: realizing that it is natural for our eternal, 'true self' to know us so completely; and speak to and through us so personally is an experience beyond description. In fact, the first few times you experience it - the jolt of surprise (and delight!) may very well knock you out of your relaxing meditation. :)

Matthew 7:7
Matthew 7:7

Got a burning question you want guidance on or an answer to? Meditate in silence while gently holding the question in your mind. When it 'feels right', release the question and sit quietly in an attitude of acceptance. A response always comes. I have personally never experienced anything more profound than a strong impression, a few words or a glimpse of what I guess could be called a vision. A glimpse was all I needed.

Other people report entire, clear visions or dreams - or even entire conversations with 'themselves' or even other 'beings'. It probably depends a lot on what you are up for. With all of my past spiritual experiences, I am more of a suspicious sort - so I don't reach for that stuff. Only do what you are comfortable with. YOU control absolutely EVERYTHING about the experience. Your christos will only guide you in a very natural way.

And, as you already know, there is NOTHING that you can EVER say or do - nor anyone else - that will separate you from the love of God. He loves you, dearly. That is one of the things Christianity taught you that it got RIGHT.

Photo Credit: Jacob Abshire
Photo Credit: Jacob Abshire

Moses' Egyptian influence is beside the point. God will use anything we believe or perceive to cause our expansion.

The Torah and Old Testament have their own plagarization issues, with many OT stories, sayings and rituals originating in Ancient Egypt. The story of Jesus' life is also strikingly similar to the Egyptian God, Horus.
The Torah and Old Testament have their own plagarization issues, with many OT stories, sayings and rituals originating in Ancient Egypt. The story of Jesus' life is also strikingly similar to the Egyptian God, Horus. | Source

Why do Christians believe their souls need to be saved, to begin with?

Continuing with Jesus and Nicodemus in John 3: Jesus seems to be giving Nicodemus a glimpse into his future: "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him [his message of the Kingdom of God or Christos within] should not perish, but have eternal life."

It should also be noted, that Nicodemus helped bury the body of Jesus (this is another conspiracy theory, but it is kind of a fun one) after his death. He had obviously been moved by the conversation he had with Jesus...

Remember, many exChristians (and Christians, believe it or not) now attribute Jesus 'messianic presence' as fulfilling the different old Jewish Law of Kabbalah (this is Jews for Jesus?!!) Essentially, the man we know as Jesus the Christ had to become a martyr in order for his message to expand beyond his life and 'become known' into other consciousness's alive in this world - and into generations beyond. And, that original message was:

John 10:10
John 10:10

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world... that he gave his [not only] human-begotten ['awakened' 'realized', 'aligned'] Son [who is just like us]; that whosoever believeth in him [the Christos within] should not parish [through untrue pagan beliefs] but have eternal life" [that many don't realize is already theirs].

"For God sent NOT his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him [their Christos within] is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the [Christos being within] name of the only begotten Son of God. (We will see how Jesus became 'the only' Son of God in a bit...)

Its all about perspective...
Its all about perspective...

Jesus 'Saved' People from Pagan Beliefs Meant to Diminish Their 'Light'

"And this is the condemnation, that light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved."

This 'condemnation' is referring to pagan religions: the deeds of men were 'evil' - and they don't come into the light because 1) they are not AWARE that they have their own light; and 2) they are AFRAID of the punishment that they believe is coming to them. Eternal or even temporal retribution is a decidedly human construct.

"But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."

Essentially, when you realize who and what you really are - and that you are perfect exactly the way you are (and are continuing to expand)... you WANT to 'stay present' and 'come into the light' more to integrate with 'all that you are' - then, your deeds (creations) may be be made manifest 'in God'.

Where did The Gospels come from?

The Roman Emperor Constantine is credited with proliferating Christianity when he supposedly became a convert. However, some significant changes were made to the religion shortly after he embraced it; and there is much controversy surrounding the purity of his motives.

Did you know that many Christians still believe that Jesus' disciples, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John actually wrote the books of the New Testament that are named after them? Quote: There is sufficient reason, based on hard evidence, to believe that the gospel accounts were written by the authors of the same name... Source

They didn't: "None of the gospels are eye-witness accounts of Jesus' life; and, they are all written in Greek and not in the native tongues of anyone who met and followed Jesus."

For the first three hundred years, pockets of Christian survivors stayed hidden and secretly wrote and traded manuscripts among themselves - even between cities & countries. (This is supposedly the time when Paul was traveling and writing letters.) They had been persecuted from the founding of their religion until 313 AD when Christianity finally became legalized across the Roman Empire - so, early Christians were USED to having to keep the message of Christ 'under wraps'.

Perhaps if Christianity had stayed an underground religion, we might have more of those original manuscripts available to us.

There are actually a few really colorful conspiracy theories that outline 'how Christianity became pagan': The Apostle Paul did it! Or, the Romans created Jesus to deceive the Jews; or the Jews created Jesus to deceive the Romans, etc. - plus, the 'Illuminati' are in there, somewhere. Whatever changed, Christianity became the state religion of ALL of Rome in 380 AD before it split.

In 325 AD, the famous Council of Nicea was held. The doctrine of the Trinity was declared to be the official doctrine of the Pauline Church, and one of the consequences of this decision was that out of the three hundred or so Gospels exant at the time, four were chosen as the official Gospels of the Church (because there were 'four corners' of the Earth). The remaining Gospels, including the Gospel of Barnabas, were ordered to be destroyed completely. It was also decided that all Gospels written in Hebrew should be destroyed. An edict was issued stating that anyone found in possession of an unauthorised Gospel would be put to death. This was the first well-organized attempt to remove all the records of Jesus’ original teaching, whether in human beings or books, which contradicted the doctrine of Trinity. (Muhammad Ataur-Rahim, Prophet Jesus of Islam, 1992 edition, p. 40) Source (There is more than one source of this information - research.)

Where did Jesus Christ come from and why create a religion around him?

No one really knows where Jesus came from or what his real name was - although, you will find many theories out there. One of my favorites is that Jesus was Cleopatra & Caesar's son, Caesarian.

It is really interesting what people have come up with - and almost all of those ideas are real possibilities, especially since Jesus was probably a combination of people.

But, since early Christians were so persecuted; and yet, the religion of Christianity was becoming part of religious culture even BEFORE the first council - the most popular theory is that Jesus was a person who was plucked from an earlier time when people still had the memory of him and/or his teachings with them; and many of his teachings were added to the state religion of Christianity because they were the most recent spiritual teachings raging across the empire.

Christianity was declared illegal at one point in time...

The saddest and most likely scenario is that the earliest Christians - including their beloved holy man & eventually almost all of his original disciples - were annihilated for their now somewhat lost & mangled beliefs.
The saddest and most likely scenario is that the earliest Christians - including their beloved holy man & eventually almost all of his original disciples - were annihilated for their now somewhat lost & mangled beliefs.

Many people have come to believe that the earliest Christians held the original 'beliefs' surrounding Christ; and were a sect of people who were probably almost completely eliminated because of them.

Christianity was declared to be an illegal religion (remember the lions?); and all of Jesus' disciples - with the exception of John - were likely martyred for their original teachings. Even Paul who came later; but is considered to have lived around the same time Jesus did - was martyred for his spiritual teachings.

For these and many other reasons, early Christian history has been an astounding puzzle for Historians, Archeologists, Linguists and Theologians to piece together.

Discovery & Documentary by a Roman Catholic Priest

The Imperial Cult

The Imperial cult was inseparable from that of Rome's official deities, whose cult was essential to Rome's survival and whose neglect was therefore treasonous. Traditional cult was a focus of Imperial revivalist legislation under Decius and Diocletian. Christian apologists and martyrologists saw the cult of the Emperor as a particularly offensive instrument of "pagan" impiety and persecution.[1]It therefore became a focus of theological and political debate during the ascendancy of Christianity under Constantine I. The emperor Julian failed to reverse the declining support for Rome's official religious practices: Theodosius I adopted Christianity as Rome's state religion. Rome's traditional gods and "Imperial cult" were officially abandoned. However, many of the rites, practices and status distinctions that characterized the cult to emperors were perpetuated in the theology and politics of the Christianized Empire.[2] Wikipedia

A Unifying, State Version of Christianity

Whatever the case... Tossing the 'other Jewish Law' of Kabbalah aside (if they even knew about it); and making Christ the 'only Son of God' and 'Savior' of both the Jews and the various pagan 'gentiles' - using ancient prophesies about a messiah from an already-established monotheist religion - gave them a believable foundation for this new state religion designed to UNITE people across the Roman Empire.

The older Jewish religion gave Christianity validity; while this new religion united pagans into one increasingly-manageable mass (or risk execution - neat option).

It really looks like they very cleverly and creatively (a really brilliant feat, when you think about it) re-created Christianity in such a way - through Jesus; and by peppering in a modge podge of spiritual concepts from popular pagan religions - that most every diverse religious person of the day, no matter where they came from - could accept and believe.

The people just needed to 'have faith' along with the proper instruction from church-appointed Popes & Priests from the new updated holy book, The Bible.

They even created a way for followers to proliferate this 'good news' by ordering them to tell others who had no knowledge of it, yet. This is why so many Christians are incessant about 'witnessing' and converting others - because Jesus supposedly commanded (these scriptures look to have been added in later) his followers to do so - again, before he died.

And they needed to HURRY UP about it, because the apocalyptic warnings in the Book of Revelations were going to be coming true ANY DAY NOW - and people's souls will be LOST if you're not brave, courageous or zealous enough to convert them. It will basically be YOUR FAULT if you do not succeed!!

While Christ may have commanded his followers to proliferate a message - what was it, originally? Are you SURE it was that he was going to become yet another 'die for you' 'only son of god' savior of the world? To date, the world has at least sixteen similar saviors that we can count; and I've seen people list over thirty of them. Many of these holy men have the same virgin birth story including visiting wise men; similar death/resurrection stories; and very similar sayings and messages.

Proof of God!!

If there was a 'real' Jesus; and there had been no controversy surrounding him - then we human souls would never stop looking to him for our own 'salvation'.

The fact that there are so many similar messages like the one Jesus was actually teaching - spread around the world through varying timelines and tailored toward the unique perspective of each ancient audience - proves the existence of a God or 'Universal Consciousness' as much as any scientific theory.

Here and NOW!
Here and NOW!

When is God's Kingdom Going to Manifest on Earth?

The Kingdom of God is within... that means that it has always been here for as long as we have been populating this planet; and it has been slowly developing and expanding for ages. Stop looking toward the sky for it. Luke 17:20-21 “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.

In our current timeline, humanity is supposedly the most spiritually advanced than we have ever been - despite that we have been more technologically advanced in the past. It is the reason why we have practically destroyed ourselves on more than one occassion. (Yeah, that's hearsay.)

How God Sees Us... The song, 'From a Distance' is a wonderful reminder.

Its okay if Christianity got 'salvation' wrong. God only sees 'the good' in everything because he sees us as we are and what we are becoming - not how 'bad' we are being. There is plenty of good in Christianity for him to appreciate, as he appreciates the good in all religions.

Christians Get Boatloads of Credit!!

But if that is true, maybe we are finally coming into a balance between the two extremes where a great future for everyone continues to be possible. Whatever you may think about Christianity or any other religion... The spiritual 'expansion' of mankind might not have happened to the extent that it has without them.

It should also be noted that many Christians are - and have always been - in the middle of just about every spiritual revolution since Jesus, often in defiance of the interpretations of their religious leaders. It isn't like God hasn't been working through Christians simply because their beliefs may be be a little off. It is the sincere intentions of any heart that God 'realizes' and 'expresses' through - as I said above, no belief 'in God' required.

Currently raging spiritual ideal:
Be MUCH more selfish. 'You' comes first. Helping others will come naturally and with perfect timing. When we heal ourselves, we heal the world. When we change ourselves, we change the world. When we love ourselves, we love the world.

Peace.

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Advice for Continuing: Navigating Spiritual Forks in the Road

My apologies for the length of this article, but because of the many weird conspiracy theories and spiritual teachings out there - I feel compelled to include 'how to continue' from here; as well as a couple resources beyond this point.

While these last videos (including the two MOST poignant ones at the very end - God has a wonderful sense of humor; and we could use some, now) may seem to be on completely opposite ends of the spectrum - they are not. I see our 'reality' as a dream. We each play the character in the dream - until we wake up. And even then, it isn't like we stop playing the character, right?

But, many of us reach a spiritual fork in the road; and things start to change, slowly at first. Perspectives about spiritual matters begin to change. When we get to that place, it is decision-making time:

- Stay at the fork in the road (even for a while until you get your bearings). There are many communities that people have built around those 'forks' - and, they will tell you that they are as nice as anyplace else.

- Turn back to re-commit and re-embrace the safety of past belief structures.

- Explore other paths; and maybe even decide to commit to one of those, instead.

- Decide to continue on, research and create your own spiritual path.

No matter which path we end up taking - most of us also end up taking on more responsiblity for our own lives and spiritual selves. Move at your own pace. It took me twenty years to come to these para-conclusions; and I've only really been comfortable enough to write about them, fairly recently.

What Might Jesus Christ Say to His Followers Today?

Current Spiritual Diversion: Aliens (no, I'm not joking)

In both the 2nd part of the video above; and the first four minutes of this video - Abraham talks (vibration = emotion) specifically about these alien conspiracies - and why they are harmful to the awakening of many people who already view themselves as 'being awakened'. It seems to be as harmful as 'salvation' has been for Christianity; and is nothing but current human perception trying to explain and translate something beyond itself that it doesn't understand.

Basically, each inhabited world within the Universe has its own frequency (in video at 2:30) similar to the way radio stations have their own frequencies. People who believe they have had alien abduction experiences are NOT making it up. However, nothing is physically happening - and nothing can harm a soul. Get out of that stream. You know how, now. :)

We only perceive other worlds and space phenomena that is within our stream. So while there is supposedly plenty of 'life energy' around us; and sometimes we (as individuals) can even receive transmissions from 'other realities' enough to perceive them - it is highly-unlikely that we will ever directly encounter entire alien civiliations 'as a world'. We can't even communicate with them, much less see them. Abe says there is an 'almost impossible' way, but they have never heard of it happening.

I highly-advise not looking any further into this issue - simply because it just seems like yet another thing to divert people's attention with confusion, worry and division.

A Few Safe-ish Introductions: Choosing Spiritual Teachers in an Alien Jungle

This is a slice from this video (right), "He would like you to remember that you were born as LIQUID LOVE..."

The first five minutes is a speech about Jesus - how he loved & healed, etc. This is 'Abraham' - a soul collective of infinite intelligence as translated by Esther Hicks. If you've heard of the book or movie, 'The Secret' - these people are the origin of that teaching. Abe has lots of Christian fans as demonstrated by this question. Some powerful stuff comes at the end, watch until 5:50 - even past the giggling. In another video, I have even heard Abraham say that there is evidence of 'the truth' about Jesus in a cave (or some caves) in Spain - for those of you who may be adventurous explorers interested in getting to the bottom of this controversial issue.

If you decide to continue from this article; and are looking for a teacher that is more spiritually-focused - as opposed to more contemporary teachers who do things like teach classes in walking on burning coals... I highly-recommend Abraham because of the simplicity of their teachings; and the absense of any religious diversions - or any other diversions, such as all the alien conspiracy theories that seem to be slipping into so many spiritual messages.

Absolutely none of those 'aliens are coming' messages feel right to me; and Abraham is not in agreement with them, either. Although they will explain how 'aliens', 'demons', 'thought forms' and other metaphysical things like that work. (I'm a long-time Sci-Fi fan, you have no idea how disappointed this made me, at first, ha!)

I really think those alien messages have become yet another diversion for spiritual seekers. It is another thing that doesn't matter, but we humans can get so hung up on it - like 'salvation', karma or reincarnation.

A second theory I have not yet ruled out, is that these 'alien theories' COULD be coming from humans who WERE previously in another 'spiritually-higher stream' than Earth is - or was. The rumor has been that our world WAS in serious danger of an apocalypse; and 'a call' went out that our planet needed HELP.

Supposedly, many came from 'completely alien places' to be born into human bodies (complete with christos, because all life originates from the same Source) - to our chaotic world simply to help provide balance and stabalize it. It has supposedly been an incredibly difficult adjustment for these formerly-alien beings to suddenly 'become human' - and many MANY people consider them to be heros.

Whether any of that is true or not, it is yet another thing that is currently beside the point. If that is indeed what happened, it maybe doesn't hurt for us to feel grateful for the possibility - but, IF those mysterious alien-turned-humans exist, they have (or will) receive their 'spiritual rewards' by heaps & bounds, ha! They certainly weren't intending to create alien religions among us. The only thing this theory might do is help explain why there is so much of an 'alien vibe' bleeding in.

The good news is, these theories should slowly start to fade away over the next couple of decades. (The timeline of their arrival keeps getting pushed back, ha!) Then again, how long have so many Christians been waiting for Jesus to come in the clouds?

Of course there are a couple wild conspiracy theories wrapped around that correlation, too. Suspicions abound: people were waiting for JC to come back and transform our world into a paradise; and now we are waiting for aliens to come and essentially help us accomplish the same thing (or enslave us, depending on the conspiracy theory). *sigh*

Esther Hicks & Abraham: Teachings may seem simplistic; but also pretty spot-on when you think about how much we use our imagination & emotions for SO MANY things. It makes sense that they play a more important role in our lives than we realize.
Esther Hicks & Abraham: Teachings may seem simplistic; but also pretty spot-on when you think about how much we use our imagination & emotions for SO MANY things. It makes sense that they play a more important role in our lives than we realize. | Source
Bentinho Massaro
Bentinho Massaro
Teal Scott or Teal Swan
Teal Scott or Teal Swan

Having said all that, if you really want to bump up your spiritual knowledge - Bentinho Massaro is another teacher who seems to have figured out some 'deeper' things (he's been a student of Abraham, among others). This insightful young man has the potential to blow your mind. He's special, and you can tell - yet, still a little 'immature' on top of obviously being a savant in the area of spirituality.

Bentinho lost his NON-Christian religion (deconversions are not just a Christian thing) - and yet, the story of his 'path to enlightenment' is familiar to many of us... The phases that he went through, the depression, the general process, etc. I highly-recommend both interviews from the link above - although the second one is long. The best stuff is at the beginning, however. Just watch until you're too bored to keep watching. :)

While Bentinho can sound a little arrogant at times; has some things off - like there being a specific number of 'dimensions' (they are infinite with no 'division' between them); and sometimes talks about "the good" aliens - they are not the foundation of his teachings; nor does he constantly talk about those things. You can pick & choose between them or not when he does.

One last spiritual teacher worth mentioning - especially for people who are dealing with heavy emotional issues - is Teal Swan. As with all teachers, take everything they say with a grain of salt; and throw out the stuff that doesn't work for you. However, Teal has an exceptional knack for understanding & explaining emotional issues and how to move beyond them. She is affectionately known as 'the giggling guru'; and is good for people who have a hard time wanting to 'stay present'.

A change, Teal rips the Universal Law of Attraction. I typically prefer teachers who sometimes go against the grain. :)

Despite how fond I am of Abraham's teachings (they supposedly originated explaining the concepts of the Law of Attraction; and I like their no fluffy-stuff approach) - plus, they also have good advice about emotional issues...

I totally agree with Teal in this video about the pitfalls of the LoA. In fact, through this semi-rant about it, Teal does one of the best jobs I've seen of explaining the reality of our existence and how we use the LoA - along with MAJOR misconceptions. Essentially, things are not so simple as 'monitoring/controlling' our thoughts & emotions - the LoA is more complicated (and easier for us than that). The 'blame assumption' needs to get GONE. (Remember when I said above, it was the hardest 'smashing' lesson to realize we create our reality?) Most of this video is spot-on; and she has advice at the end that sounds right - from 17:14.

Some people may need to start with more information about their specific emotional or life issues until they can get to Abe's often overly-simplified suggestions. The perspective of a 'soul collective of infinite intelligence' is probably different from a 'human' experiencing and talking about these things, ha!

If the NDE video & info above is semi-correct, this is just one way we 'play harmlessly'. God exists in the wholehearted beliefs of these beautiful people.

Bottom Line: Life is Supposed to be GOOD

Keep watching Abe's video past Jesus above for more about beliefs - another splash: "Source 'tunes' itself to see the good in everything - and so can you. It is diverse, and the basis of love beneath all things - it exists within every place, people, religion, political party, etc. You will NEVER find all of your truth in one place... because you are FREE eternal beings who came to create, co-create and experience your own truth - not someone else's." (Abe also likes to say, "You are so free, you can choose bondage." ;)

If you're curious about what 'infinite intelligence' has to say about death (brace for laughter, their perspective is not the same as our's; also, compare this to the NDE video - there is much consistency. I did not intentionally pre-plan that - its like a bridge between us humans and when Abraham starts talking.); the world's religions (an older but very detailed video) or about healing (newer & powerful, eye-opening conversation with a doctor - as usual, the most potent stuff comes later from 7:56). Doctors are still very needed because 'medicine' CAN help us - simply because it is easier for us to 'believe' that a tangible thing will help...

OR other new & radical life commentary - this is a playlist of collected videos specifically for Christian seekers, the comments explain why each one is included. You can also go to YouTube and search for 'Abraham Hicks' + whatever topic you are curious about. When listening to Abe, it helps for me to remember: the word vibration = emotion; create = attract.

Science plays a huge role in Abraham's simplistic teachings. Its really nice to know that things are supposed to be easier for us humans than we thought or were taught. Here's to our future in 2017 & beyond - CHEERS!
Science plays a huge role in Abraham's simplistic teachings. Its really nice to know that things are supposed to be easier for us humans than we thought or were taught. Here's to our future in 2017 & beyond - CHEERS!

Just for fun, I'm adding this video of Abe recently talking about America's 2016 Presidential Election: We think it is the BEST election EVER! Apparently, this is their opinion because they see it as a good lesson for us as both individuals and a collective consciousness on the illusion of disempowerment. As I've explained, we have more control over our reality than we realize - and Abraham always tells it like it is.

Then again, that non-physical 'group' of consciousness is really consistent about seeing absolutely everything as being good for us - like a stuck record. Abe thinks that our civilization is as snarly as it is because we humans became so attached to the drama. I think they have us pegged. Humans are drama queens. :)

Or, what about this video? What do you think? Does God 'directly' get anything out of stuff like this - from performer, judge or audience perspective?

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roob 11 months ago from USA

Uhm Jesus was the only man in flesh to resist temptation. The Bible says every man doesn't have to marry and have sex. Also the Bible is full of relationships that succeed and fail. Have you read it? I mean in the first testament their is Adam and Eve & that is just the beginning. There are ton of families in the Bible who cheat, get drunk, and so on.

I don't see how the Bible has lied to you. Maybe a misled believer lied to you. But I could not see where the Bible lied to you in your post. I would be willing to answer any questions or concerns you got the best I can with scripture reference if you like?

I once went "crazy" then lost God. I was even messing with the occult & devil himself. I was seeing things and so on. I have gotten right since and I am cleaning my life up once again. I am not perfect but I have studied the Bible a lot as I had so many concerns and doubts like you!

Have a great day! Or at least try lol.


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Misfit Chick 11 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Yes, I covered that Christians believe that 'Jesus was the only man in flesh to resist temptation' - did you actually read my entire article? Here's a repeat of just that part. I know it is long, sorry:

'This is what Christians are taught: that Jesus was just like us, so that we have no excuses. By coming down 'as the Son of God' to become a lowly human like us; Christ proved that WE can do everything that he allegedly said we should (like judge others) - after our souls are 'saved' by his blood; and we are 'adopted' into his very exclusive spiritual family, of course.

As such, because Jesus Christ became man to go through the 'human experience' - Christians believe that they should be able to resist sin just like he supposedly did - which is why he is considered to be a 'perfect sacrifice' for our sins. Sexual Abuse in The Church. Photo source: Wikipedia

And even if/when those who have been saved sin - it is no big deal; because 'the blood of christ' will save you in the end (because he loved the world so much)!

Have you ever noticed the lack of spiritual integrity in Christian churches; and how rampant 'sin' has always been within them - everywhere throughout history? It is because it is so easy to keep sinful secrets - since you can ask for forgiveness and move on with your life after each hypocritical incident, knowing that 'God' has forgiven you.

I mean, who really cares if anyone else forgives you, right?


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Sgt Prepper 11 months ago from Elkhorn, WI

"For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other we are the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?" 2Cor2:15-16


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Misfit Chick 11 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

If the bible were actually the 'word of god' you would maybe have something there - but, it isn't. Try reading some of the links that have been referenced or even some of the books, above.

FYI - I am NOT trying to 'change the minds of Christians' about what or how they believe. This article is about how/why *I* (and so very very MANY other peoples) have changed our minds about it. It can be a beautiful religion when the people are not trying to force their belief system onto others who simply cannot believe - what we see as - such obvious deceptions.

Christianity SHOULD be 'just another way we play harmlessly' - and, it is. But, we humans need to be learning the 'love' and 'acceptance' part; and we're failing miserably.

Here's a quote from above regarding what you've said in case you missed this:

"Because IF you are convinced that you will spend an eternity burning in hell if you disobey The Bible - you are in bondage to that man-written book; and you will do everything you can to make sure that your friends & relatives are in bondage, too - because you BELIEVE that heaven is unattainable without 'salvation'.

Isn't that what you have been taught?

The last words of Christ to Nicodemus are a direct contradiction to what he previously told him:

"And this is the condemnation, that light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."

Compare to:

"Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."

Christ Came to Free the Mind of Mankind - Not to put Us in a Spiritual Prison


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El Shaddai 2016 10 months ago

I am confused. Do you believe in God or do you not believe in God?


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Misfit Chick 10 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

I believe in God - Our Source, Our Creator & Co-creator - but not as a 'savior for our sins'. We are all theoretically 'one dynamic soul' - a 2nd soul that God created a long time ago to eventually become a true companion of his - as the Christ Consciousness' (who are also a part of this one dynamic soul) already are. In a nutshell, I hope that makes sense.


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Sgt Prepper 10 months ago from Elkhorn, WI

Jesus saith unto him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." No man or woman.


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Misfit Chick 10 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

If you go into the original translation of that scripture (and others) - you will find that Jesus does not refer to himself as a "personality" as being "the way", but to the Divine Principle (The Christ or Christos - which literally means 'the way') within Him - which exists within the hearts of all men, or women. ;)

"Know ye not that ye are Gods, and that the Spirit of the Most High dwelleth in you?" Christ told people that BEFORE he was supposedly crucified.


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El Shaddai 2016 10 months ago

Not really. LOL! Where or how did you come up with these theories of God as a source and as a 2nd soul?

EL


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Misfit Chick 10 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Look up the original text and compare it to the translations. This article is long enough - yeah, it could have been a lot longer, ha! But, this is not meant to become a 'what to believe' guide; it is meant to be more of a starting point to get souls thinking, inspire people to do their own research, and come to their own spiritual conclusions.

So, if you're really curious, you're going to have to do some work on your own. There is plenty of detailed information about these things around the web - probably mostly within Theosophy websites; although other spiritual sources have worked these things out, as well. The 2nd 'shattered' soul thing (that will eventually re-become one as a companion to The Source) can also be found in various religious texts, including within some American Indian folklore.

Bits of possible truths are embedded everywhere - God did not (nor would he) put 'his word' into just one late-entry, obviously man-manipulated 'holy book'. We have been a part of him since we were created - not just within the past 6K years or so.

I suggest reading some of the links in this article. I included them for a reason - not because they all tell 'the truth'; but because they all contain at least some truth. Your spirit can and will discern whatever it needs to see - and disregard the garbage. Ask God or Christ for help and protection to do it if you are not yet confident enough in your own connection to The Source.

Peace. :)


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El Shaddai 2016 10 months ago

I found this website. Is this what you are talking about? https://www.theosophical.org/


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Misfit Chick 10 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

That is one site that will probably have Christs mission on earth laid out - a little too well. Like I said, there are 'truths' - and you disregard the rest.

If you follow the Theosophical teachings about Jesus all the way through - you will come to their explanations of the various 'ascended masters' and 'reincarnations'of Jesus. MANY people believe in this stuff and have for a long time.

However, *my* inner voice does not jive with it all. I really think that each 'Christ Consciousness' was an individual direct 'from the Source'.

The Theosophy 'initiation' sounds an awful lot like the Christian concept of 'being baptized in the Holy Spirit' - except that it is supposedly a process that takes years. Any religion that requires you to do a bunch of rituals - especially rituals that take you away from your body - is something you should question.

But, Theosophy does take the words of Jesus and do a pretty good job of revealing the translation discrepencies. If you really want to look into this from a perspective that you can maybe understand easier - try doing a search for 'Christians who believe in Theosophy' or some variation of that. Because going directly from The Bible into Theosophy can seem a little too-mystical and strange without a semi-escort who is familiar with your language and ideals to help explain their point of view to you.

Its an interesting belief system to look into - in my opinion, that's all - just interesting mixed in with a little bit of truth like most religions are to me. ;)


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Misfit Chick 10 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Hey Loli, I didn't see your comment until now - I don't know why. Your comment just makes me smile - in a good way - because it proves my point about how many different ways Christians believe in their religion - and *I* believe that they all have their poignant truths and twists. Thus, the smile. :)

However, I was raised Catholic for a while too - and then my parents 'got saved'. And my mom's fundamental version of Christianity considers this statement to be sacreligious:

"But I believe now that the beliefs of Christianity are false (that we should pray to Saints, Mary, and that some sins are weightier than others). A lot of people don't take the time to understand Christianity."

This also makes me think of my very Catholic grandmother who DOES pray to the saints more often than to Christ or God. For instance, when she loses something, she prays to St. Anthony because he is supposedly the saint in charge of helping you find lost stuff - and it WORKS for her, every time. ;)


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Misfit Chick 10 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Sorry Loli, I walked away from this and then it popped into my head again - I wanted to say something about this the first time. I can certainly agree with this statement:

"If you lose your faith because of the Church, or anything a person did, then your faith was in people, not in God."

I think there are a lot of people who do 'get mad' - and I also think that a lot of those people eventually return (like in the very first comment, above).

But, this is an incorrect assumption; and I've heard it so many times from Christians:

"As for priests and others who have fallen away...it can be argued they were never in Christ to begin with, but thought they were and deceived others into thinking they were."

*I* was not mad at any church or any of the people in it - I had questions. It started with one and grew into probably almost a dozen of them from there. Similarly, the former evengelical preacher in the atheist video at the top (as well as most every 'man of god' turned atheist or whatever) PREACHED the 'good news' and we ALL BELIEVED at one point in time. Some of the reasons he gives for eventually disbelieving were also my reasons.

Really.

I can tell you that I was 'officially' baptized as an infant into the Catholic Church; later went through my First Communion; then maybe fivish years later 'got saved' via 'the sinners prayer'; then was baptized again - fully, in a river 'like it is supposed to be done', apparently; and then a couple years after that - I was officially baptized with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of 'Speaking in Tongues' (yeah, before I graduated from high school) - and I can STILL (much to my amazement, despite my current anti-beliefs for so long) speak FLUENTLY in tongues still today.

*I* was invested in the religion of Christianity - wholeheartedly. And, I have no doubt (probably because of my own experience) that most people who lose their religion - whatever one it is - were originally invested in it at least as much as I was, if not more so.

It feels more than a little insulting when Christians use this as a response to our change in beliefs - as if we don't quite have a brain for ourselves, poor things. ;)


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Sgt Prepper 10 months ago from Elkhorn, WI

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Proverbs 14:12


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Misfit Chick 10 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

It never ceases to amaze me how many people are so sure that THEY are not the ones being 'deceived'. Research is a good thing - read some of the links I've included in the article if you don't know where to start. Or maybe you still need to actually read the article. :)


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Sgt Prepper 10 months ago from Elkhorn, WI

When I first read the article I "assumed" it was written by a fellow-believer sold-out and on fire for the Lord. After re-reading it I still don't see the writings of an atheist or Luciferian. Sorry, but I was hoping we were kindred spirits.


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Misfit Chick 10 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

I've been adding much more to this article, recently - some based on these comments, so people have more information 'where they need it'. If you were hoping that I was an atheist or 'Luciferian' - no, that's not me. We are kindred spirits - we all are. :)


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Sgt Prepper 10 months ago from Elkhorn, WI

Sounds like you're open to Mormonism? I highly recommend Glenn Beck's co-authored book "Agenda-21". Did you know all Mormons are required to stock-pile food and own at least one firearm per household? Also see Ted Koppel's new book " Lights Out"!


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Misfit Chick 10 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

I am not 'open to any religion'; and I'm certainly not worried about any apocalypse or needing anything. But, thanks for the reading tips - I read all kinds of stuff, both tame and radical, ha! :)


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Misfit Chick 10 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Well thank you, LoL! My grandma was also my Catecism teacher; and I have a soft place in my heart for that religion because of her. I used to go close myself in her bedroom, choose from one of many rosaries that she had hanging on her wall - and pray them for hours. It always felt really good. I wasn't even 10, yet.

I think some of our spiritual experiences are meant to help us realize God - even if, and maybe especially if, they are not religiously-sound as far as he is concerned. If nothing else, those things can help us see 'what is wrong'; and make course corrections. In fact, I think all spiritual experiences are meant to steer us toward him.

Just because I don't even SORT of believe in the 'salvation' message (or even the story of Jesus' birth, anymore) - doesn't mean that I'm 'lost'. :)


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

Misfit I just read. Will give you my comment

After reading other hubs.


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Misfit Chick 10 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Really? Cuz that was awfully fast, LoL! Perhaps you are a speed-reader. :)


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

Misfit why do you put word in I never implied or said

Never do I consider my self wise as to boast or brag

But you seem to be the one that causes divisions by use of words. I only want people to understand the hope that all humans have

Even though the great cover up exist .the truth

Still be accessed.


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Misfit Chick 10 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Sorry, you are difficult to understand sometimes - like now. You can tell that you are on a cell phone. I'm not trying to cause any divisions - I'm trying to knock them down. There is a huge difference. :)

You are assuming that there is no hope in this hub because you apparently skimmed it. It takes me longer than 12 minutes to read this - and certainly, if you are going to watch any of the recommended videos and/or check out any of the links that lead to more information about a topic - it would take even longer, yet.

Christians always want everyone else to LISTEN to them, but the flip-side does not apply. The only reason why someone with your beliefs usually read something like this all the way through is to prove me wrong - not because you're interested in getting to the bottom of 'the truth'.


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

Misfit that is your opinion. But think if I am already familair with your material. Before I knew you on Hp

Then this is not about you or proving you wrong

I am happy I can list some thing here you posted

First link is simply an opinion of a John Crossan. His analyis Starts way after the death of Jesus.

Next true about how false religion got started

Not as you worded religion was pure in truth until the last deciple died.

Then satan planted men who wanted to practice pagan and religion of christainity of Jesus.

This has to do with the Edics of Milan. Pagan and Christain beliefs combined and free to live with out persecution.

Example is mention of 25 of December was adopted as Jesus birthday because it was not

Found in the scriptures. So since the 25 of December was a feastiful of worship to the sun god. They adopted it as the birthday of the Son of God. This is a lie but pagan meaning.

Next your link talks about ceasar.

The one writing this report has not realized that the word ceasar is a title like presendent in our language.

What ceasar is he comparing when it was more then one.

I am going to stop here for now . But here is my list.

Another thing you need to consider the time line of subjects and the time period your refrences write reports.


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Misfit Chick 10 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Nope, you assumed like every other Christian trying to prove me wrong... Like I said, you need more than a few minutes. This is why Christians can be so MADDENING - because they are always SO SURE that they already know everything.

If you were to watch the documentary and/or read the link analysis (or do your own search); you will see that JULIUS CAESAR is who is being compared to Jesus - not 'just any caesar'. Historians have written specifically about what happened with Caesar's death and funeral - which included the scene where they stop for HIS WIFE (not Jesus' mother Mary) to mourn over Caesar's body that is such an iconic religious image NOT included in the bible.

I just added more about Roman's Imperical Cult, above - obviously, more about that was needed. But, watching the original documentary from 1988 on YouTube would be my recommended starting place on this specific aspect.

The Gospel According to Caesar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvga-98x6Nk


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Say Yes To Life 9 months ago from Big Island of Hawaii

I noticed you live in the Seattle area. I lived there for awhile, and LOVED it. Unfortunately, my personality shortcomings, which Christ did not heal me from, forced me to have to leave it. To add insult injury, I had to sit helplessly while my rescuing brother's daughter dropped out of high school to join a cult. That is what destroyed my faith in God.

Fortunately, things have worked very well for me here. The hard cold facts are, we all have to figure things out for ourselves. Religion is nothing more than a tool towards that end.


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Ajax 2016 7 months ago

I. Am. Floored. Your mind is brilliant! I have to spend much more time with this hub I was just outlining my hub on the same topic. Im studying the control systems that feed anti-intellectualism and citizen apathy. Media entity, corporate conglomerate, the elites; I myself am learning so much. Please follow me and maybe you could give me some feedback on my hubs. I just started. All new to me being so interactive with my thoughts. Im usually very private and fearful of common lashings from closed minds. Excellent to find one that spreads thoughts through knowledge rather than forcing beliefs.


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Misfit Chick 7 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Oh my gosh, that sounds like fun - and a huge bite to take on, ha! It took me a long time to get through this stuff - and then to get completely comfortable with it so that I could present it like this. People are in various stages in this learning process, and many are just coming into it.

And, since I know how agonizing those beginning steps can be - and how tricky they are; I was really hoping to help people through that part, faster. Maybe there are some of us who 'had' to go through it in order to start cutting a path - but once a lesson is learned, it can be used by others to make their experience less painful (and shorter).

I honestly had no idea how much I knew until I wrote this - and much of it 'clicked' together as I was writing. Things like this happen when you let the stream flow through you - also things like making basketballs practically jump through hoops for you (like the pros who make it look so easy, do); blasting out a perfect rendition of 'charge' on a trumpet (I used to play - cool!); or just sitting on a porch casually contemplating life when the most amazing idea crosses your mind - that is where God lives. It took a long time for me to figure that out. Hopefully this article helps people get back to living their lives faster & free-er.

Thank you and following. :)


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Norine Williams 7 months ago

"O FOOLISH [CATHERINE] Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, "CRUCIFIED" among you?"

Catherine, I realize there are Books (40) that have been "left out" of the Bible, I realize there are "additions" politicians or religious leaders have inserted, I realize there is ONE GOD that Religions worship but have made "idols and/or graven images" to get to HIM, I realize Religion was originated from "pagan gods," BUT "I BELIEVE" the Bible is the ACTUAL WORD of THE CREATOR (GOD) written by men who were "inspired by GOD!" What other Book has as many "accurate fulfilled prophecies" written BEFORE Bible? Explain!

Sure, man has "added and/or deleted," but I KNOW the POWER of the HOLY SPIRIT (aka JESUS)! What HE HAS SAID in Bible has been "fulfilled" in "my" life! Therefore, "I BELIEVE!"

You can say "Christianity" is a "control mechanism," but for one that does not believe in GOD, there are "consequences" for their actions as it is with GOD! Therefore, we MUST BE SAVED from the "consequences" (HELL)!

Man's "additions" and/or "deletions" of Bible cannot overpower the POWER of the HOLY SPIRIT who "HELPS" discern LIES! I don't care where man says GOD'S WORD "originated," I don't care how RELIGION "thinks" we are all serving the same GOD (although HE is ONE SPIRIT), I BELIEVE HE is as one's spouse "a jealous GOD" who "will not share HIS "GLORY" with another!" If you were GOD, would you? Read II Kings 17:29-41!

It is our job as Disciples of Christ to inform those in error! However, Satan has deterred you by putting the spirit of "research" in your mind and making you loose the "hope" that we should have! Romans 8:24 says "For we are saved by "hope:" but "hope" that is seen is NOT "hope:" for what a man seeth, why doth he yet "hope" for?"

Romans 10:1-4 "Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to GOD for Israel, is that they might be SAVED. For I bear them record that have a zeal of GOD, but not according to KNOWLEDGE. For they being IGNORANT of GOD'S righteousness, and going about to ESTABLISH THEIR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS, have NOT submitted themselves unto the righteousness of GOD. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that BELIEVETH!"

Where are you Catherine? Why did you go? Are you that "weak" in your FAITH? Why did you allow Satan to enter his playground (your mind) to deter you from your FAITH? Have you not heard in the natural world "Curiosity kills the cat?" How much more do you think it will in the Spiritual world? You're mixing natural things (research) with Spiritual things!

This is a Spiritual journey in which our "FAITH" determines our outcome! You are matching "your PEANUT brain" against the ALMIGHTY! What kind of "FOOL" would do that?

You must have something that Satan doesn't want you to exercise or he wouldn't be "stalking" you! Your mind is his playground and you have allowed him to play!

I'll be praying along with your mother!


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Misfit Chick 7 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

I will tell you the same thing I told my mother about praying for me: don't pray for your will in my life - but God's will. How the heck do you think I got to this place? By myself? No... you do not come from a hardcore perspective such as your's to the one above by yourself or easily (as I've said). LOOK at all the extra sources I provided.

You can believe what you want to, sweetie. Just stop hurting people with the fanatics of your beliefs, that's all I ask. You use them like a baseball bat. That is not even SORT of how Jesus teached - and again, 'salvation' was not his original message. I'm pretty sure that I've proven that several ways over. But in the end, you can only see what you believe.

Thanks for taking the time to read, Norine. I know that could not have been easy for you. Peace.


Jason 6 months ago

I'm impressed. While I was reading I kept expecting to read something that would cause my eyes to roll, but now that I'm done I feel like a huge weight has been lifted. I feel unjudged and totally accepted. I agree with Ajax, above. Brilliant. Thank you for sharing.


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Norine Williams 6 months ago

You guys are ONLY a step above an Atheist! You believe there is a God (Or is it little "g" because you've become the "god" doing "RESEARCH?") but don't believe in HIS POWER!

Based on your analogy, the entire Bible is a LIE! No Old Covenant; No Ten Commandments; No Prophets telling of Jesus' coming; No NOTHING because It proves one should "fear" the LORD!

I would like to direct your attention to the one thing we will agree on "DEATH IS INEVITABLE" and as I've asked other unbelievers, "What IF the Bible is TRUE?" "What IF there is "a jealous GOD" who does not wish anyone to receive "glory" other than HIMSELF? What IF there is a "Judgment Seat" that ALL MUST stand before? What then?

If Bible is A LIE, why can't anyone provide a book that was written before the Bible with as many "accurate" fulfilled prophecies? If you can do this, you may have a leg to stand on!

Now PROVIDE or you're demons for blaspheming AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD using "Science" and "Research!"


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Misfit Chick 6 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Thanks Jason, I'm really glad it helped. This stuff is supposed to be freeing and it is...

Norine, I DO totally believe in the power of God (with a capital G, I use the cap most of the time) - its just that the power of God flows NATURALLY through us ALL via the 'Christos' that we all have embedded into our hearts - not just a select few. Yeah, we have to 'choose' to participate with it more directly - but, no 'salvation' is needed now or back then.

You don't understand how profound Jesus 'original message' of the Kingdom of God being within us is... That is because of the way the story of Jesus has been twisted in your mind. What about the controversy surrounding Paul? WHAT IF the New Testament is relatively correct with the exception of the four main gospels that are obvious manipulations?

It is a really hard message for Christians to grasp - which is why I take so much detailed time & words to explain it, above. Jesus message was not about him dying on a cross to save anyone from their 'sins' - he came to set people free who ALREADY BELIEVED THAT about OTHER 'saviors' that already existed in this world at the time. He came to save the followers of Mithras, the worshipers of 'Caesar', the bondage of all those previous gods & goddesses that people were worshiping so heavily at the time...

He came to set pagans of his day FREE from their religious bonds - and men in power turned him into the poster-child for paganism.

I've heard that argument before... 'What if the bible IS true... That is a reasoning based in FEAR (which is part of the problem I have with Christian 'beliefs'). God doesn't need to create a situation so that people will fear him in order to create a way for them to agree to follow him - he can raise up children from stones, remember? We are were ALREADY God's (without Jesus dying on a cross), and pagan religions distract us from that profound knowledge.

That is actually the biggest 'sin' of Christianity.


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Kiss andTales 6 months ago

Misfit you have a vast amount of infomation rolled togather. But I will pick certain things you bring to mind.

Like why did God not keep religion in a pure state.

Reverse the thought why did people not keep religion in a pure state ?

Like a home you live in ! Say purchased it spotless , super clean inside out.

You move in it. Will your house reflect the last owner ? Or will your house reflect you by being clean , tidy, organized , the answer is it reflects on you .if you do not keep clean and pure standards . the point is earth is our planet home in a big scale ! What we see today is what man has done to our planet earth.

It was a flourshing paradise given to the first to humans our genectic parents. Our Heavenly Father does not live here no planet could hold his dynamic power or presence.

Earth is for our habitat.

The final conclusion we can not judge God by mans imperfections .

The condition of the earth tells us he is incompetent. Not equal in mind nor power to reverse the damage done nore wise enough to solve all our human problems.

What you judge is the hand of humans.

The Heavenly Father stays the same.

He just has not interfered but allowed man to do as he pleases to prove the point.

That is man can not rule himself. History proves this.

The truth is always pure.

But people contaminate it by actions.

Just like a clean home.


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Misfit Chick 6 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

K&T, we are arguing about the exact same thing from the opposite perspective:

You view humans to have ruined religion and the way the world works - and so do I.

The difference appears to be, that it is OKAY with you that this has been done; and we should change nothing about the way so many people have been led to believe in pagan untruths designed to enslave their hearts & minds.

You would also 'get more' if you actually read the article. You don't even know what you don't agree with in it. As I have said, it is not something to be read in one day - it works better ingested a few sections at a time.

And, I'm sorry Norine.. I've already responded to all your accusations in the previous response to you. I'm not allowing yet another extended arguement on the same exact things over and over again while you refuse to consider my perspective.


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Misfit Chick 6 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

And, I'd also like to add for Norine in particular... With as much time, effort and energy as you have put into replying to this hub, you could just as well as read it and then replied more accurately to it.


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Kiss andTales 6 months ago

Misfit you are very passionate about people learning the corruption in religion.

This has become the case true but not the real focus ! the truth is people have the same right as you to make that decision for themselfs.

We can give them our opinion or our decided choice on the matter but they choose .because it is between them and the Heavenly Father.

We can not choose for no one .

You say I think its ok to do nothing about people being decieved.

Think again ! If no one cared I would be doing something else in selfish pursuits.

I love to talk to people ! I love good hearted , honest and truthful people.

But I do dislike hypocrisy, bossy forceful

Nasty personality type people , who think it's there way and you are a fool .

There is no fool on HP. I see all as Adults and will treat people in that manor. Enough of that.

But what I was trying to say is based on this scripture we should keep this on mind.

Ps 15:1 ,O Jehovah, who may be a guest in your tent? Who may reside in your holy mountain?

2. The one who is walking faultlessly, Practicing what is right And speaking the truth in his heart.

Ps 15:3 He does not slander with his tongue, He does nothing bad to his neighbor, And he does not defame his friends.

These scriptures tell us we are guest here on planet earth. This planet was here when we came.

We do not own it just because we arrived by a birth date.

The same with an hotel we would be a guest ! Not a owner .so would we tell a neighbor in the next room .the people lied to you about who owns this hotel, what it's policies of how it is ran.

No! Because we all are guest at that establishment.

Also look at another thought !

Re 11:18 But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time came for the dead to be judged and to reward your slaves the prophets and the holy ones and those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.”

You see the Heavenly Father is the owner of planet earth he is in control of when to step in to handle his affairs.

We are not to think we can fit in his seat of judgment to do anything that only he has a right to do.

We are responsible for our own conduct

and we are to work with him not against him.


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Norine Williams 6 months ago

NOTHING can separate me from the HOLY SPIRIT! I KNOW HIS (JESUS) position which is to "lead and guide us into ALL "truth!" It's too bad you don't!

Do you really think HE approves of your actions? You've made HIM to be a LIAR doing HIS JOB for HIM ("leading and guiding into ALL truth" by "Researching!")!

You wouldn't want a man to come in and takeover your position on a job, but you're messing with GOD; violating HIS LAW (WORD)!

So you see, it's doesn't matter to me if you are right or wrong (in your eyesight) you are WRONG in the sight of GOD because you are IN VIOLATION OF HIS WORD!


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Misfit Chick 6 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

I'm not trying to separate you from anything; and the only thing I am in violation of is the way you perceive The Bible. The 'Word of God' and 'The Bible' are two completely different things. The Spirit of God does not now - and has never - needed a book to contain his word. Pagan killers & manipulators made you believe that.


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Kiss andTales 6 months ago

No one can make anyone believe what they do not want to.

No matter how much a person may as example listen to your words its still their own right to believe it or not.

Next my question to you is what did Jesus read from ?

He read from the book of Isaiah !

Luke 4:17 the scroll of Isaiah was handed to him.

We today have that same scroll as in a log. Says the same thing .

No deciet here.

People should be sure of all things .


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Misfit Chick 6 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

K&T: "people have the same right as you to make that decision for themselvs... We can not choose for no one. I do dislike hypocrisy, bossy forceful nasty personality type people , who think it's there way and you are a fool"

This article is not here to force my opinions on anyone - it is simply information for people who are usually searching for the words 'christian deconversion' or 'real message of Jesus' or 'debunk the salvation message' - things like that.

While at the same time, admittedly - I have promoted this article in some HP debates; those are places where disagreements about the topics surrounding Christianity (or whatever) takes place - so, I feel as justified 'making my case' as you do.

The reason why my debates frustrate you is - again - your view is all sunshine and roses: we should all be able to believe whatever we want to - no matter how harmful those proven, erroneous beliefs are to our individual souls, the souls of our children, and the entire world as a whole.

If you can't read the article, skim down through the images - they tell at least half of the story. If the message of Christianity didn't REMOVE people's perceptions from the reality of their existence in God - things would be different. Christ came to try and get the TRUTH across to pagan people who needed it; and the important thing is...

We NEED his 'real message' today... No more lies, and no more excuses. What did Jesus really die for, K&T? I know you care, you just don't realize that there is something to be caring about.

It's okay if you are satisfied with your beliefs the way they are... I say that in here, too; PLUS give extensive reasons as to why ANY set of 'beliefs' is Okay. But, knowing the power of them and the effect they have on the world is a resonsibility most people don't want to consider.

"These scriptures tell us we are guest here on planet earth. This planet was here when we came."

Actually, we helped create this planet with our Creator - and, we continue to create our own reality - which is why our planet is in such chaos: so many people BELIEVE IN all these DIVISIVE LIES that they insist are 'the truth' (no, not just Christianity, but they are a HUGE source of confusion).

"You see the Heavenly Father is the owner of planet earth he is in control of when to step in to handle his affairs. We are not to think we can fit in his seat of judgment to do anything that only he has a right to do. We are responsible for our own conduct and we are to work with him not against him."

Listen to yourself... LOOK where you put yourself in the scheme of things. You have a much bigger part to play, as do we all - this was Jesus original message; most of us just don't realize it. We're far more worthy and competent than what you can possibly believe BECAUSE of the 'limits' your Christian beliefs have placed on you...

It is because of these 'limits' that I do participate in debates every once in a while - though you will notice that I pick and choose my battles. When someone puts a question up that I have some pretty pointed things to say around: I follow the calling of my inspiriation to say them, and will continue to do so.

As I've told you before... I hang out in those places and debate people like you and Norine once in awhile, not for your benefit... But for the benefit of all the others who are still questioning and looking for the truth. Arguing with people who are sure they 'know all about it' it is the best way to expose reality.


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Misfit Chick 6 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

K&T: I have absolutely no problem - at all - with this scripture within the corrected parameters of Jesus message that I detailed above. In fact, what this says is MUCH more powerful within the real message of Jesus Christ to pagans who really really needed to hear it:

"Luke 4:17-21King James Version (KJV)

17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me [the Kingdom of God or 'Christos' within that WAS/IS currently ALIVE & WELL within each of us if we choose to 'enable' that part of internal ourselves - no 'salvation of the soul' necessary], because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

I say the the article above that Jesus WAS SENT by 'God' to set the record straight about who we actually ARE 'in him' - God sent Jesus down here to TEACH people who were enslaved in pagan religions that simple concept.

Again, if you would actually read the article... Jesus came to fullfill a DIFFERENT and much more ancient Jewish Law than the 'one of his day' that we are currently aware of. Do a search on Christianity + Kabbalah and find out why people are connecting them. That is what this article exposes.

They twisted his message... that should concern you.

Btw, I'm not going to let Norine's response to you through. You're welcome. :)


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Misfit Chick 6 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Norine: No, I haven't overstepped my boundaries, dear... I'm right on track. I've already talked to you about 'being led by the Spirit'. I simply do not use a manipulative book like you do. God's Spirit cannot be contained.

Relax and stop worrying... There are plenty more people all around you that you can actually see who I'm sure you are convinced are going straight to hell (or will be left behind). I am no different than any of them from your perspective.

The difference between you and I is... I don't worry about those people going to hell, anymore - because I know what really happens to their souls, now.

I worry far more about people like you who worry so much about everyone else. Please relax, we're all fine. Really. :)


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Norine Williams 6 months ago

Let GOD be the Judge!

I rely on HIM (Holy Spirit) "TOTALLY" not some mess man has placed on a computer and I KNOW my position (Romans 1:25)!

FOOL!


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Misfit Chick 6 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Yes, I agree... especially since I know that God does not judge. He has more than enough Christians (and other relgious folks, frankly) to do that unnecessary thing for him. (Yeah, that was yet another pagan-perception (possibly the main one) that God sent Jesus here to correct in the minds of people.)

Also, I'm pretty sure that the post I just deleted from you to K&T about 'fools' would apply to you, now. I almost wished I had left it up here.


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Kiss andTales 6 months ago

Misfit the problem I have with you is questioning the motives of the Heavenly Father.

The only one that keeps doing this is satan.

He did this with Job.3:4.

He also keeps accusing his brotbers with bad motives.

Job 1:9

Says he accuses those day and night.

Rev 12;10

The point is if this is wrong for satan to do.

Then it is absolutely wrong for any human to question Gods motive.

When you can create the things he has and add a day to your life and others.

When you can return life than you are more than human.

But right now you need him to keep you alive.

Why destroy that.


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Kiss andTales 6 months ago

Also just because you own a weapon does not mean you have a right to use it in a dangereous way. That also goes with our speech. We are to have respect for our creator.

Shooting off any kind of way is not wise at all just because you can .

Liberties are are not alway advantagious.

No different then a court room and you are standing before a judge in a courtroom.

Can you mouth off to him as you please

No! So do not think you will be over looked here either.

The law stands because he allows it to

But if he allows it and we respect it

Then we certainly should not disrepect him in any manor.


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Misfit Chick 6 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

I completely fail to understand how you see me as questioning the motives of God? Really? How? I HAVE respect for our Creator; and I am not 'shooting off any kind of way just because I can'.

There are a growing number of millions of people who have come to believe in much of what I have written - and we all came to these 'new conclusions' through some painful & extended periods of personal research.

You completely misunderstand the message in here just like Norine. I have a GREAT DEAL of respect for God. The fact that I do not consider the manipulative, pagan dogma of Christianity to be 'God's Word' is admittedly a big difference between us.


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Kiss andTales 6 months ago

You might not believe in dogma of ! But your phases in your hubs do not show respect.

I disagree that all people agree with you because they read your hub.

Saying all and millions is pretty egostistic. I get this from you.

You have been dealt with in an abusive way and religion was a tool some one used on you.

Sorry that you was abused .

but religion was used as a tool.

Just like an accident some one may drive a car reckless and cause causualties. But do we go around telling people not to buy or drive cars ?

No we do not , nore do we say cars are evil because some one used it in a reckless way. I have a problem with you bad mouthing why God does this and that. You say this but you mean that.

Its clear .


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Misfit Chick 6 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

I don't agree... What phrases do you see that do not show respect for God?

I am pretty sure that I never once said that all people agree with me because they read my hub... Again, you misunderstand or are assuming, I'm not sure which.

Millions of people - the majority of them being former 'ex' Christians along with MANY who actually remain in their various Christian churches - considered much of this stuff to already be true years ago. Of course not everyone agrees with every single thing above. Some people wandered into other religions (Islam is another big one because they also believe in Christ in a similar way) or 'non-religions', some developed or started to follow various conspiracy theories, etc. Kabbalah was a booming religion for a while and Christians are still deconverting into it.

*I* did not do any of that. As I say in the beginning, it took a couple of decades for me to gather these bits & pieces together - and I did some of it with the help of people who had discovered the same things before me... I've included lots of links to other people who 'believe' in at least parts of this general message.

Here is where I can sound rude, because I start to lose patience with people who refuse to actually do the research or read the article in order to know what they are accusing me of...

I am not now nor have I EVER 'bad mouthed' God in here... I'm bad-mouthing the harmful lies that the killers & murderers who created the religion of Christianity imposed on its followers in a (good start, but failed) attempt to unite a crumbling yet vast pagan empire.

The reason why it is important for Christians to begin to realize this stuff - is because their beliefs HARM them and their children, as MUCH as they harm the rest of the world. Many Christian beliefs (especially the salvation message) are detrimental, contradictory and OPPOSITE to the reality of our existence according to God (see very first article image and lots of others in here) - which was the original message of Jesus Christ: to enlighten pagan people to the 'unbelievable' and blasphemous truth that we are ALL EXACTLY like Christ except in various stages of 'growing up'.

As a Christian, I 'get' that that is hard for you to see... I've said over and over that it wasn't an easy or fast journey - which is another reason why I remain persistent. After you realize the implications above on the world; you have a silly desire to let people know HOW their beliefs are harming them and their friends & families. I'm sure that is one of the reasons why so many people have written about their deconversion experiences or created YouTube videos, etc. The truth is WAY cooler and FAR more freeing than what you've currently got in your head.

I'm sorry if I've hurt your feelings in the past - but you will never find me in any religious debate agreeing with the idea of, "everyone should be able to believe in any fairytale they want to" that hinders people's minds from becoming all that God meant for them to become.


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Misfit Chick 6 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Btw, just so Christians don't feel like I am only picking on them - I have had similar (but opposite) conversations with dogmatic Atheists; and I have told them the same thing:

The truth is WAY cooler and FAR more freeing than what you've currently got in your head.

It is as important for Atheists to realize this stuff as it is for any and every kind of religious person.


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Kiss andTales 6 months ago

Misfit as you stated here" There are a growing number of millions of people who have come to believe in much of what I have written - and we all came to these 'new conclusions'

So now you deny these words.

Are you two people or what ? What you may delete some one else does not.


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Misfit Chick 6 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Fine. I can certainly see why someone so suspicious as you would jump to that conclusion and not take it in context by:

1) Actually READING the article so that you could read that entire part where I express 'how I and others' came to these 'beliefs' over decades in much more detail.

2) Putting it in context... I've also told both you and Norine more than once in here to RESEARCH why Christians have been deconverting into Kabbalah for decades.


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Norine Williams 6 months ago

NO! She's someone who has a "gift" from GOD and has "tasted" HIS POWER! "New conclusions" are from SATAN "IF" it defies the WORD OF GOD!

What do you want her to do "DELETE TRUTH" (WORD)?

"A fool's mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul" (Proverbs 18:7)!

"These six things doth the LORD (JEHOVAH) "hate:" yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren" (Proverbs 6:16-19)!

Now which one of those missed you?


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Misfit Chick 6 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

We all have the same gifts from God, Norine. There is absolutely nothing in here that 'defies the Word of God' - only that book that you keep insisting is 'the word of god'.


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Norine Williams 6 months ago

A fool's mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul" (Proverbs 18:7)!

It's REALLY coincidental my daughter asked me to view a video on YouTube entitled "Urgent Warning: God showed this man Judgment Day" just last week in which a white lady had placed something on the computer that lost 33K souls that she had to give in account for!

View it!


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Misfit Chick 6 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Norine, you constantly think about 'souls needing to be saved' and 'the judgment that is coming', etc. If you had read my article above, you would know that is why you attract that stuff to yourself - because you think about it, constantly. Whatever you believe and/or allow to dominate your thoughts: that is what you will draw to you. It is a Universal Law created by God Almighty. It would do you good to learn a thing or two about it.


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Misfit Chick 6 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Norine, you are becoming a borderline stalker. It is unnecessary to continue leaving long book-comments in here - especially since you can't actually read the article, much less respond directly to it. I'm not even reading them, anymore. I am well-aware of your point of view and rejected it for the many reasons above a long time ago. I am just fine. Go find someone else to 'save'.


T. H. 6 months ago

I am a person who came from Christianity and into Kabbalah until I started to think it was another religion to put us in bondage. But wow, this almost makes sense. I think I need to read it again. What a relief. Thank you I think. :D


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Misfit Chick 6 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Truth is stranger than fiction. You are welcome. Have a happy rest of your life. :)


MidnightMark 6 months ago

WOW! As an atheist, I can't believe I read that whole thing (I may have skimmed through some of it). And while as an atheist I can't possibly agree with some of this stuff (the bible verses are a little offputting), all I can say is WOW! Is this really possible? Could Christians really have gotten things so wrong? How! I think I'm more frustrated, but more for Christians now. Should I bash them over the head or give them a great big hug and say, "There, there." LOL!


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Misfit Chick 6 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

I think that depends on the type of attitude adjustment they need. Sometimes I needed a hug; other times, a good slap might have helped, ha! Thanks for reading most of this, anyway - I know its LONG. :)


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ValKaras 5 months ago from Canada

I think we should not look into "what's true-or-not about Christ's or any other teaching for that matter - but what's wrong with the people. I think "consciousness evolution" takes time to out-root animalistic tendencies in man, and no teaching can speed up that process. If it could, the picture of our coexistence would look different today after millennia of reading holy books.

So, it ultimately doesn't matter "how good the teacher may be", but how bad are the students. Proving or disproving the existence of this or that god is a nice intellectual adventure which won't stop people from "sinning" if it's ingrained into the very fabric of their bodies, their minds, and their hearts. Personally, I wouldn't even call it "sinning" any more than I would call "sinning" use of diapers. It takes time to grow, and we are too quick to criticize those growing pains.


Janet 5 months ago

I just scrolled down to say wow! I've heard of LoA and have read books on it, and that sounds right about being what Jesus was really probably teaching. I need to pick those books back up again. Thanks, this was an inspiring read that made me think.


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Misfit Chick 5 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Thanks, Val... I'm going to guess that you are yet another person who is responding without actually reading the article. I explain 'what's wrong with people' in it, thoroughly - along with what's right.

We'd all like to blame the entire human race for simply being primal, selfish pigs with very little 'good' in us. It is a huge misunderstanding on both sides of the religous isle.


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Norine Williams 5 months ago

It's not about "being good" or "bad" but what GOD wants of us and that is to "BELIEVE" on HIM! Consequently, IF we "BELIEVE," all things will 'come together' for the good of them that LOVE the LORD!"


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Misfit Chick 5 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

I'm really glad it did, Janet... There are lots of books and teachers out there about the Law of Attraction, and they all supposedly started with Abraham and 'The Secret'. I don't know if that is true, or not.

I can tell you that the first time I saw anything about The Secret (LoA) - I actually bought the book and took it home to read when it was first popular over a decade ago, now. I bought it because I was looking for current messages in this world that were being shared by 'people in the bible' - which is what you find in many NDE's: people talking to 'Jesus', etc. That is why I started researching those. I thought that this book might be a message directly from the Abraham we know of in The Bible - so, I was willing to consider it.

But, when I discovered that the Abraham in The Secret was a 'soul collective of infinite intelligence' - I literally threw the book away because of my Christian beliefs at the time and what The Bible says about 'evil sorcery', etc. I was sure that book was evil, LoL!

However, after I wrote this article I rediscovered the teachings of Abraham - really, AFTER - it was like a 'reminder' in the back of my head. And then, when I went out to see what Abraham had to say about Jesus, I found the incredibly poignant video that I included, above. It fit in perfectly at the end of this article.

A lot of people (like Val, above) keep asking - why bother with this? What's the big deal about getting the story of Jesus correct - when everyone already is so sure that they know 'the truth' about him - Christian, Atheist, Muslim, Jew or whomever...

This is why: because there IS a God-Source who DOES care about us and always has. Realizing that completely changes our perception about ourselves and each other. Its an important realization.

Good luck on your continuing journey, Janet. :)


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ValKaras 5 months ago from Canada

You got it wrong, Chick. I consider myself quite a spiritual person loving the human race, but that doesn't prevent me from noticing their shortcomings.

It seems like you didn't read my comment entirely - I did not say that anything was actually "wrong" with people, but we should stop expecting them to live up to some ideals while they are still consciously evolving and in a need to "burn their fingers many times before they eventually realize that fire is hot".

"Sin" is not a word in my vocabulary, and while nothing is "wrong" with us as species, many things are wrong with us as "followers".

We shouldn't expect from a toddler to understand electronics, and maybe should stop pushing people to grasp something so unfathomable as universal intelligence. When they pretend they do - it's just an intellectual arrogance, so typical for every cultural epoch pretending to know more than they do.


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Misfit Chick 5 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

And, like I guessed... You didn't actually read the article, you're just inserting what you believe to be your relevant obversation. It is as out of place as some of Norine's comments.


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Misfit Chick 5 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Hello again, Norine... gosh, I really wish you would actually read the article so that we could have a common frame of reference from which to discuss this stuff. :)


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Norine Williams 5 months ago

I'll try but I'm busy "fighting demons" who hate "rightly divided WORD!" I wonder why I attract so MANY? No I don't! ANYTIME "TRUTH" is being TOLD; he comes (Satan)!

ALL GOD wants us to do is "BELIEVE" on HIM (WORD) with ALL our hearts! IF it's screwed up; HE'LL "reveal!" HE has for me! I have NO WORRIES "in Christ!" I don't care who said what; I don't care who "added or deleted;" I don't care because I'm "in touch" with that ONE SPIRIT who has done what you say is not right in the Bible and that is "HE" "leads and guides" me "into "ALL" TRUTH! How do you think "illiterates" have a relationship with GOD?

How could I have dreams that I didn't know were in Bible and find out LATER; it's there? How can HE tell me exactly what WORD is saying "IF" I have no contact with HIM? How can I have the ability to discern believers from non-believers who only give "lip service?" How does HE give me "peace" (although it may not look like because "unbelievers" upset me sometimes) with myself in ALL situations? How can I KNOW "whatever" demon approaches me, he will not win? How can I? I KNOW what I KNOW what I KNOW! GOD is REAL and HE will do as HE SAID in HIS WORD - REVEAL ALL and GUIDE INTO ALL TRUTH!

LOVE


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ValKaras 5 months ago from Canada

This is exactly what many commenters do, Chick, they don't necessarily stick closely to the hub's message, but choose to say what's on their own mind regarding the topic. I get comments like that all the time, and don't find anything strange there - not really suspecting that they didn't read my hub. - However, I forgot to say that I liked your hub - in case that was missing. And, unless you are a psychic or something, my comment is not telling that I didn't read it, that was YOUR impression upon my not directly touching your theme.


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Misfit Chick 5 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

My apologies, Val - you're right, of course. It is hard to read through all this and I am aware of that. Thanks for the additional opinions. :)


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Misfit Chick 5 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

I know exactly what you are 'fighting', Norine... I"ve been there. And yet, why do so many people BELIEVE that they have 'the truth'? It is because beliefs are 'built'. You know that you are not the only person who is so incredibly passionate about your perceptions 'being the truth'.

I KNOW you love God, JC & HS. If that is true, and someone else that you KNOW also 'loves God' (with a similar passion as you) - insists that something is amuck - what harm does it do you to consider it IF the HS has things down so pat in your mind & spirit?

What IF something is a little 'off'? What IF we are really just like JC? What IF the Romans incorporated pagan beliefs into his original message to unite their multi-pagan empire: whether intentionally or by accident?

The HS will tell you which parts above are wrong or not - IF you listen to your heart where he resides instead of your head. And, if you come to the exact same conclusions you had before you read this - then, you have 'your truth' down pat and you know it. :)


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Misfit Chick 5 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

And better yet, which was my original point... we will have a common frame of reference from which to have a discussion on the same wavelength. I mean, it HELPS for us both to 'know where the other is coming from' (*I* already know where you are coming from) in order to have a productive discussion surrounding this stuff. You 'don't get' alot of what I have said. You could refute or agree with whatever better - if you understood 'where I am coming from'. Dang but I hope that makes sense now, ha!


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ValKaras 5 months ago from Canada

Chick - Have you ever thought about our minds as instruments that process the reality via conceptualizing things in a linear fashion of causalities - and actually unable to know the truth other than the one generated by our own conceptualizations?

What if Christ, and God, and Bible, and the whole religious package is merely one of many limited ways that we are playing with our minds?

Have you ever studied the science of hypnotism to the point of realizing the true nature of "belief", and how it is not really anything like a "reflection of Truth in our souls", but a simple function of our brain, a tool that helps us to avoid thinking over and over about something that we established as true enough for us?

You can hypnotize a person and tell him that he is a dog, and he will "believe" it to the extent of starting to bark and salivate. It is a known scientific fact that much of our psyche naturally operates by being switched to that automatic pilot of our convictions. What if much of its program is wrong?

We believe in so many things dictated by limited perception of our five senses and equally limited mind's ability to process it. And yet we are talking from a pedestal of "knowing" something about matters that are completely out of our league to know.

Let's be logical for a moment, and let's think of all those fine scholars who have much more brains than you and I combined. And let's ask ourselves : if they are so deep and spirited and learned and educated in so many disciplines of science - why are they STILL looking for answers? Why don't they just keep reading the Good Book, and stay at the level of knowing where you and I are trying to be smart about universal truth? Are all those fine minds a bunch of village idiots?

You see, I am not questioning how "right" or not this or that passage of Bible is. I am not questioning your faith - be my guest and believe what you want. But if you are putting your faith as an undeniable argument on the discussion table, then I will protest, because faith is a personal choice, not a fact.

You want a proof? In Iran and in the United States the same mathematics is valid, which makes it universally valid. Since faiths in those two countries are different, then the "spiritual truth" is up for grabs, not in the league of mathematics. There is nothing axiomatic about our belief system. It's deliberate, it may have variations, and we are capable of disbelieving in something that we believed in yesterday.

Again, don't take me wrong, Chick, I am not against anyone believing what they want - but their faith is not invited to a discussion, because then I may claim that Santa Claus is the real god - and you try to prove it wrong if you can. I will talk "from my devoted heart" about my faith, and I have just as much "evidence" as you have.

Yes, there is a universal intelligence orchestrating all reality (whatever reality actually is). But I don't see the point of personifying it, ascribing human qualities to it - like "it sees us, it approves, it punishes, it feels..."

and the whole fairy tale.

Your hub contains stuff of religion to which I could not respond rationally for all the reasons mentioned. In many instances you reminded me of my own views, and then you lost me in the unknowns of beliefs. Well, this much I had to say. I am not a competitive type, and I don't want to "win" here. We are both losing the moment when it falls down to that level of "who is going to outsmart whom". I admire your mind, Chick, and this is not to bribe you to go easier on my somewhat radical views about man and his faith. As far as I am concerned, feel free to disagree.


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Misfit Chick 5 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

I totally understand your logic, Val... Keep in mind that I was writing this from a formerly-religious person's perspective, and more-toward Christians. The stuff in religious contexts might simply help you to understand the perspective of where religious folks are coming from.

You know, I am really wondering if you actually read this again, Norine - I've heard you say that we believe that same before, ha! You still do not understand where I'm coming from - only repeating what you've already said over and over again; and not really debunking anything I've written, at all. You are so convinced that you are that right and I am that wrong.

Oh, well. :)


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ValKaras 5 months ago from Canada

Chick - I understand, and let's leave it at that.


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Misfit Chick 5 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

I'm not sure you do, but its okay... It is not easy for Christians to alter their beliefs; and the road from one end of 'beliefs' to another is not so simple as to simply remove the fairytale. Consider this article to be written 'in their language' and 'from their perspective'. Everything looks weird semi-backwards, I know. :)


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jackclee lm 4 months ago from Yorktown NY

Catherine, this is a very long piece. You may want to consider making it into an eBook. It would help people reading it. You do raise many good points about Christianity and the Bible. There is so much information out there. It is hard to separate the truths from the deceivers. Good job!


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Misfit Chick 4 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Thank you, and thanks for the advice. I've been meaning to pour this whole thing into several posts within its own blog. I want people to be able to access it from anywhere. Its just that the thought of doing it is so tedious, you know? Ha! One of these days... :)


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jackclee lm 4 months ago from Yorktown NY

You must hold the record for the longest hub.


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Misfit Chick 4 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Perhaps, but I just want to add this information since so many people have made this comment; and it has been an excuse to not read all the way throught it for many...

I didn't start out intending for this article to become so long; and for as long as it is - it has been months since it has gone below a 90 rating as judged by our fellow hubbers & hired editors, etc. It usually hovers around 95. It has also hit 100 or more than one occassion.

You tell me... Am I 'that good' of an actual writer to have written something so long to warrant that kind of a rating?

While I could put all of this info in a book as so many others have done, I want this to be available to everyone. I will eventually organize it into a blog - but, the restructuring alone would be so tedious. It is at least a month-long project, if not more.

And really, what is the difference if you read this in a book form, a blog or in an article like this? Its not like it is as long as the bible - plus, it is much easier to read & understand; and sheds light on an awful lot of misunderstandings - not just Christian ones.

So in the end, it really depends on how interested anyone is in getting to the bottom of these complicated topics. Many people are certain that they know the truth - while at the same time being certain that other people DON'T have the truth. How can you be so sure that 'your's' is the right truth?

It wouldn't be such a big question if people didn't judge each other so harshly based on their perceptions of 'the truths' contained within their various religious (and non-religous) dogmas.


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savvydating 4 months ago

I see you very recently deleted your reference to Burton Mack's book regarding "Q," on whom you had based many of your observations. Today is 10/21/2016, and I had read your article a day or two ago. Anyway, it is just as well that you omitted the reference since Mack ignores archeological evidence regarding the true history 1st Century Judea.

Interesting article, but the authors you have listed have fabricated Jesus by ignoring the criteria for authenticity for canonical and non-canonical ancient texts. No serious scholar would ever do that.


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Misfit Chick 4 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Actually, the reference is still in there (under the 'what was the original message of Jesus Christ' heading toward the beginning) - but yeah, I took the big 'Amazon link' out so that people like you didn't think that the entire article was based on that book.

In your response, you dismiss a lot of links and sources within that you haven't necessarily followed through on. If simply dismissing everything makes you feel better - oh well, many people do that. As I've said in here, it doesn't matter what you believe. Just stop hurting people over your erroneous 'beliefs' - that's all *I* want.


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Misfit Chick 4 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Furthermore, this article is not based solely on the literary analysis of people who claim to be 'experts' - there are many sources within here, inclucing scientific ones. I know its long. I used to be a diehard Christian. If you think for one second that it is just a few jumps from one way of believing to another - you're wrong.


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savvydating 4 months ago

Misfit, I am not hurting anyone. I have made some analytical statements and that is all. I did not say the entire book was based on Mack, nor did I dismiss everything you wrote about science. You have invited Christians to read your article. I did so. No, I am not going to address every single point you made. No one here has. We would have to write a book---which you wouldn't care to read anyway. Lol.

Anyway, I hope you find the peace you are looking for. In the future, I would appreciate it if you would not put words into my mouth by claiming I said something which I did not, or by assuming you know what I think. Thus far, your assessments about me and what I am thinking have not been at all accurate. Anyway, I hope you find the peace you are looking for.


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Misfit Chick 4 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

I'm not sure I would call your statements analytical; and I have my peace, thanks... As far as hurting people, that is just inevitable for Christians to do, often without realizing it and certainly not intentionally. It wasn't meant as a personal attack.


Hal 4 months ago

I had a significant vision many years ago that changed my life even then as a believer. I was praying and looking high in the Eastward sky one unusually warm December night. I was on my balcony and later that night, awoke from sleep when the whole room lit up with a beautiful non blinding light. What I saw was life changing and moved me further from the Church but closer to the Shepherd. What I do know, is the Church in many respects is not telling us and have never been telling us the truth. We paint Jesus the way he may not have looked and we paint Mary in a way she may not have looked. I must repeat if I was a racist man holding any hatred against one certain race of people I would ask God to change me before I die. Do it before you die.


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Misfit Chick 4 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

I'm going to assume that you are speaking directly to me because of the comment before your's; and if you are, you are right in one sense: my 'racism' against most (certainly not all) Christians is poignant in this article - as well as my intense desire to smooth relations among all religious & anti-religious extremists. It is what I was saying above about 'bad' things steering you toward 'good' things. No need to ask God to change me - or any of us, required. That happens naturally as our soul continues to expand. This was written for one reason: a desire for mutual understanding all the way around. There is nothing negative in that. Thanks for the comment and for sharing your visions. Those are cool.


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Misfit Chick 3 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

FYI - I just wanted all of you who are coming in here since the election to know that there IS quite a bit of traffic on this page despite that no one has said anything; and people sharing it through Facebook is also starting to happen more frequently. To be sure, it will continue to be shared in as many places as we can find to share it.

Despite that this article SEEMS to be about a completely different subject - we all know that it is not. These erroneous misconceptions that magnify our split between there being 'no God' & Christian dogma need to be cleared up so Americans can see themselves for who they really are: Children of God not Children of Republicans.

No more fear. Jesus set you free for a reason. Embrace it.


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Em Annett 2 months ago

I like many of your ideas but there is absolutely no way to know if any of what you are saying is true or not. I can tell you one thing: there is nothing good nor could anything good come out of my having been sexually abused by multiple family members as a child. It was an awful thing, I would have suffered much less and been a much better person without it, and it wasn't my fault. Not 'for your own good'. Unless I find out something to the contrary when I die and go to heaven (if it exists. who really knows)

I often take the view of the Rabbi who wrote 'when bad things happen to good people'. His son died from the disease in which you age quickly. Often people ask how can God exist when such things happen? The Rabbi's conclusion was that perhaps God could not just 'do anything' and prevent this from happening-but could and did provide strength in the way of support from other people and I suppose he means-help in coping with it.

You know how people think their parents can just do anything, when they are little? And then find out that this is not the case. Maybe that's how it is.

The thing I like about Christianity is the idea that Jesus is with us in it, even when we can't feel it, and it makes no sense, and it is destroying us. No, there is no quarentee that anyone will have the ability to cope with whatever happens. I've dealt with my own mental illness to know that you can easily be overwhelmed-there are people who hear voices, or see things, and it doesn't magically go away. Give them the right meds, and some can be helped. Some end up being more or less zombies.

I've seen people in the mental hospital who were medicated and they just walked around in a circle all day. Just thinking positive thoughts will not make the cancer go away, nor will praying, at least, usually, keep the pain of cancer at bay. You need medical science for that.

Some people amazingly keep their faith even though awful things happen. To me that is amazing. There was a Christian pastor who stilled believed after his son died from cancer (he was maybe 12?), and then there was that family who's son was tragically killed in the water park accident not that long ago. I don't understand how they keep their faith, but it is better to have faith, whether it is what you believe, or other's believe, because it helps you through it.

I'm old and my meds for CPTSD aren't working as the did in earlier years (not ususual), my family is highly dysfunctional and no, it's not my fault. It's called the human condition.

I didn't used to know how awful being sick could feel until I was dehydrated plus had sleep apnea last year. It was as though I didn't exist, yet was there, strugging to breathe, and meanwhile having all these OCD religious compulsive thoughts yada yada. For about a month or two I could not relax even when resting, and I thought, if this is anything like what it feels like to die I don't want to be there.

I suppose I had misconceptions about a lot of things-I used to think we would all have meaningful/happy/or at least redemptive deaths/endings etc. Not so.

I've been in too many day treatment sessions (therapy) in which someone grew older, their spouse was dead, and they were put into a sort of group home-or maybe lived alone.

Some people with mental health problems are stuck into situations in which they don't have good protection from being taken advantage of. I heard one woman speak of having been raped by a relative of the person who ran the residential living (or whatever it was) house she lived in.

Well I tend to blame myself for everything anyway (the lot of abuse survivors), but please don't tell me or anyone else is it good to be sexually abused. Or to be a little child (or anyone else) who lives in a war zone-or who doesn't have enough food to eat.

How is it my fault that my health care is not going to be a good next year as it was last year???

I hope we all go to heaven and that God is there, and is love, but there is nothing in this life that, logically speaking, show that it's true. As far as I can see, it is all random. But I still hope, and try to trust, as much out of fear as anything else (thank you SO much for the idea of HELL-and that is for not just Christianity, but all the religions and ideas which contain this idea-which includes, by the way, Buddism. If you look into anything below the surface, you will find negative icky and awful things.....sexual abuse of boys in Buddest temples etc......because even if human beings are essentially good, and have souls that are good, while we are on earth we do horrible things to each other. Hence, the idea of redemption makes a kind of sense....

Well I'm depressed and not doing well so take this with a grain of salt...but PLEASE don't blame people for the shit that happens to them, and don't assume that you can use positive thinking to make it all go away. ThaT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS. Try positive thinking on the next earthquake if you believe that.....


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Em Annett 2 months ago

Well I took a nap and came back to either erase/edit my post-because when I wrote it I wasn't feeling well at all, and my OCD religiousity was working over time. For those not familiar with it, OCD is an anxiety disorder.

Here are some of the kinds of compulsive thoughts you can have if you have OCD Religious Scrupulosity:

That the person has sinned or broken a religious law, or displeased their god in some way, either in the past or present, and may therefore go to hell or receive some other punishment

That prayers have been omitted or recited incorrectly

Repetitive blasphemous thoughts

Thoughts about impulsively saying blasphemous words or committing blasphemous acts while attending religious services

That the person has lost touch with God or their beliefs in some way

Thoughts of being "unworthy" of salvation in some way

Intrusive sexual thoughts about God, saints, religious figures, etc.

That the person, through negligence has broken religious laws concerning speech, dress, food preparation, modesty, etc.

Intrusive "bad" thoughts or images that occur during prayer, meditation, or other observances that "contaminate" and ruin or cancel out the value of these activities

Believing that one's religious practice must be 100% perfect, or else it is worthless or worse

My form is obsessive thoughts about whether God is real or not, about whether I 'believe' in the 'right' way etc. Also I am always saying something to 'cancel' 'bad thoughts.' So I came here looking for some relief from the OCD by finding something that would PROVE to me everything really is okay and not to worry, and of course that doesn't really work except temporarilty. I dunno....my compulsion says I MUST say that I am a Christian of some sort or ELSE, if you know what I mean. Had to come back to erase the post or edit it.

Well when I'm feeling good I don't obsess about this so much, but generally I have decided to be a Christian Universalist-because we believe everyone goes to heaven, and to take the spirituality of Fred Rogers as a kind of hope or comfort. He seems to have believed that God loves everyone no matter what, and once wrote that heaven is pure gift. He believed that every child was special and unique, and was not a person who shamed others (generally-no one is perfect.) Of course, no matter what I do, the OCD will try to torment me unless I can do some behavior therapy and/or get better meds. THE BEST thing to do is IGNORE the thoughts, but that is hard! I will try though. As someone wrote, OCD is the disorder of doubt.


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Misfit Chick 2 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

I choose not to be affiliated with any religion, but Christian Universal is probably close. I've also been called a Deist. I just think of myself as generally-spiritual. :)

Your obsessive disorder is very familiar to me. Have you seen my other hubs about The Twilight Saga? I know how frustrating & life-sucking obsessions can be. I grew up with an obsessive, dissociative disorder (among others) probably for the same reasons you did: childhood traumas of all kinds for years, including sexual abuse.

Why do you think I pushed myself on this religious hub so hard? Ha! I NEEDED to find out 'my truth' - if you read some of the stuff at the end, you'll see that there isn't 'one truth'. But, it doesn't sound like you believe much different than that now.

My main sexual assaulter was my stepfather from 6ish to 8ish years old. He was as disgusting & perverted as you can imagine. My mom was gone a lot. He made sure of that; and she didn't do a very good job of taking care of me to begin with - although since she was having lots of struggles due to HER own 'disorders' dumped on her by her older brother, I found her easier to forgive, later.

One day, just a few years ago, maybe 4 or 5 - I was sitting at my desk; and my mind wandered off into a daydream: I was suddenly eight years old and standing in front of my stepfather. He was knelt down on one knee in front of me like you might do if you were having a conversation with a child. I looked him right in the eye and said to him, "You hurt me." And he replied back in the exact gentle, contrite tone that I needed to hear it in, "I'm so sorry." It felt like ‘he meant it’ even though it was a very short scene that played out in my mind.

The daydream faded away (really, that’s all it was, a daydream), I burst into tears, cried for a while and then it was gone. And while I have told this story to a few people who I thought it might help - I have not felt 'that kind of pain' since that day. I don't think about it anymore, it doesn't even cross my mind unless I'm prompted, like now. It ‘feels’ completely gone.

That 'daydream' happened before I discovered this stuff and realized just HOW MUCH our imaginations, thoughts & emotions play an integral part in our lives. We can change our story. I've changed parts of mine.

You don't have to believe any of this; but it is long... You may have missed some things, its very detailed. Take your time, even over days… If something doesn't 'feel right' to you, just ignore it. The other things that do feel right to you are little spiritual stepping stones.

My 'relief' (about religion) came during the middle of writing this when a significant point about how 'our ego is a tool and how Jesus used it during his death as a tool' was fleshed-out through an insightful impulse. It felt like a missing piece to the puzzle. When I hit the publish button on that day, I felt this YUGE surge of relief/release (whatever) gush through me like a stormy wind... and then, I started hearing the song, "Fly Like an Eagle" in the literal kind of way - as if I had just turned on the radio, it was that clear, detailed (from the very beginning guitar rips) & loud!

The idea behind 'abuse' or any traumatic situation (and it is the reason why so many children start out this way) is because we chose to come into this life that way (or sometimes with a handicap, such as being blind) in order for our soul to experience the expansion we pre-planned with our entire being before we were born. (I explain this in more detail, above.) No, its not even SORT of a perfect concept from our human perspective; but from the pure & impartial perspective of Universal Consciousness, it is a fair teaching tool that is SUPPOSED to push us toward our DESIRES while being repulsed by the CAUSE of the desires.

We humans are just becoming aware of this stuff in the past 2 or 3 decades; and adjusting our minds to it is not nearly as easy for some of us as it is for others - simply because of the way we have been ‘programmed’ by this world. The truth COULDN’T come out earlier, simply because we couldn’t understand it until we got a little bit of science behind it.

From our perspective, a NICE god wouldn't ‘work like that’. But, if you are an eternal 'energy-only' being who can only read ‘heart energy’; and does not even SORT of grasp our languages, thoughts or actions - it is really the only way that God can cause the expansion of our soul. Human stuff is only relevant to us. The more 'extreme' trauma is, an equal desire is created AND exists for us - either to take advantage of in this life; or, if we don't realize that we can/should take advantage of it - we'll experience that 'growth' upon death. And, it won't be a 'small thing'. It will feel worth it. God loves us too much - that's why he is our baseline, keeping us eternally UNTOUCHED by whatever ugly things we might go through down here.

For instance, *I* (as my human self) TOTALLY agree with you (and trust me, I've screamed at God about this and even seriously cussed him out at one point - a lot of 'new' people who come to realize the Law of Attraction do, see 'window smashing' above). I would have-could have-should have learned these 'lessons' a different way and been far happier. Plus, I have a LOT of religious baggage in my background on top of abuse:

But, the combination of the two is what eventually inspired this article. It has actually helped quite a few people. I get more emails than comments from them (along with an occasional angry one).

I'm not trying to 'let abusers off the hook' - at all. This is NOT a 'give permission to anyone to do anything' ramble. It lets you know that you do not have to stay in that 'dark stream'... That is where your depression is coming from. PTSD, and a bunch of other labels you could put on it. But, you don't have to accept the labels. We KNOW we're sane AND worthy AND eternal and completely loved. And while we can wait to realize that after we die (watch Abraham's video on death at the end - its a hoot!); when we come to realize who & what we really are 'in God' - we can start to believe in that instead of our past, because it is 'the real truth' about us. All the other stuff is lies. Our life IS supposed to be good; and we are PERFECT from God’s perspective.


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Em Annett 2 months ago

Thanks Misfit for your response, I'm sure that you 'get it' and understand where I'm coming from. I'll take from what you wrote what helps, and leave the rest.


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wba108@yahoo.com 2 weeks ago from upstate, NY

I agree with you that the modern church as a whole has lost its way and become stale, lifeless, legalistic and powerless. The emphasis on our unworthiness is misguided and destructive.

According to the scriptures, " as a man thinks in his heart so is he". We become what we behold therefore if we focus on our unworthiness, that's what will manifest in our lives because we are coming into agreement with what the enemy wants for us. If fact Paul never referred to Christians as unworthy sinners by he always referred to them as saints.

Now I believe there are limits to this principle that some refer to as the law of attraction. Just because I believe i'm going to be a great this or that doesn't mean it will happen if its not God's plan for us.


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Misfit Chick 2 weeks ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

As long as you believe there is an 'enemy' after you; and only 'God' can save you and/or bring anything at all 'good' into your life - you don't really have to take responsibility for anything, nor are you in conscious control. Your creation abilities are on auto-pilot.

At some point, you decide you're tired of cruising and want to take the wheel. It was created for you to take. It is your purpose. Buddhist refer to religions as a river that needs to be crossed to get to the other side. They are meant to carry us to the truth & help us realize it.

There is no separation from us & God, that's an impossibility. Believing either way doesn't hurt you, but it does (& has) affected the way of the world in negative ways for centuries. Realizing the scope of the deceptions - whether they were intentional or not - and getting spiritual things into perspective is becoming necessary in this day & age for so many very good reasons.

I watched a documentary last night about the Dead Sea Scrolls on 'The Naked Archeologist'. Thousands of scrolls of all kinds found from the time of Jesus. They were trying to iron out the debate on whether the scrolls were a Jewish library put there by Jews escaping persecution from Rome during the destruction of the temple (some 'books' are missing if that was the case); or if they were created by 'Essenes' who were an uber-religious sect of Jews.

They finally broke the puzzle by finding the bathrooms for the village, of all things. They had all kinds of strict instructions with one of the most bizzare being that latrines had to be 2000 yards from the village; BUT you could only go up to 1000 yards from the village on the Sabbath. They supposedly didn't eat much from Friday night through the weekend just because they couldn't go to the bathroom on that day.

The story of their 'High Priest of Righteousness' sounds an awful lot like Jesus, and so do many of the teachings. One of the archeologists hypothesized that this was a spot where the religion of Christianity & Judaism existed 'as one' before they were separated. It was fascinating, and backs up some of the links I included above.

The religion of Christianity was born for a reason; and it has been developed & expanded into all kinds of diverse versions. It really makes you wonder how much truth is really in our history books; and its amazing to realize how stories, legends & religions develop.


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wba108@yahoo.com 2 weeks ago from upstate, NY

"As long as you believe there is an 'enemy' after you; and only 'God' can save you and/or bring anything at all 'good' into your life - you don't really have to take responsibility for anything, nor are you in conscious control. Your creation abilities are on auto-pilot."

This is a valid criticism of most of the church. They think, God's going to do what he's going to do and their isn't much we can do about it except sit back and watch. The basic misunderstanding here is to think that our main purpose in life is to receive Jesus and then hide from the devil and honker down till he returns and maybe warn others to do likewise.

The real truth is that God wants to use people to reveal Himself to the world. The responsibility that true Christians have is enormous and our callings are impossible to fulfill unless we lean on God for strength and direction and take the time to strengthen ourselves in the Lord as David did.

We are not passive in our call to extend God's kingdom on earth, as a matter of fact we're to take an offensive posture against the enemy in order to recover what He's taken. We have to put the armor of God through prayer and meditation through faith. We're called to be warriors who take the kingdom by force and prevail against the gates of Hell. If you're attacking the gates of your enemy, you're definitely on offense.


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Misfit Chick 2 weeks ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

And that would be the 2nd danger of your version of Christianity - that many (if not most) of the people in this country & on this planet are your enemy to be prevailed against (or used by 'your enemy', same difference).

I think you missed the point about what the purpose of 'evil' & 'sin' is above; plus the definition of evil is relative. Your insistence that there is an enemy apparently as powerful as God to be 'overcome' is as harmful as believing you're an unworthy sinner. I've explained why there is no judgement in detail, above.

Perhaps that is a part of your beliefs that feels too-familiar & 'real' for you to you adjust, yet. That is why this article is here - for people who are either ready for it or who are getting ready for it.


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wba108@yahoo.com 2 weeks ago from upstate, NY

MC- "I think you missed the point about what the purpose of 'evil' & 'sin' is above; plus the definition of evil is relative. Your insistence that there is an enemy apparently as powerful as God to be 'overcome' is as harmful as believing you're an unworthy sinner. I've explained why there is no judgement in detail, above."

No, the enemy is no match to God but God isn't above using even him for his purposes. When Satan was cast out of heaven there was no struggle, when light appears darkness has to flee. Even on the earth now, Satan has already been defeated, as frail as any Christian is, they still have the potential to easily and always defeat Satan if they allow God to display His power through them.

God has allowed Satan to remain to display His glory through us (jars of clay). God also uses Satan to help strengthen the Saints and for other reasons besides.


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wba108@yahoo.com 2 weeks ago from upstate, NY

Misfit- I think we'll have to just agree to disagree.


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Misfit Chick 2 weeks ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

No problem, I used to believe as emphatically as you about the same things. Heck, I used to argue them. We're all on our own spiritual journey and no one's 'truth' is exactly the same as anyone else's. God is a very personal experience; and I wish you nothing but the best.

Norine - sorry, again: I will not approve another comment from you until you actually read the article and respond to IT. As I just said, I can & have argued your side; and I'm well-aware of your fears & concerns. There is no need to get all excited every time someone else says something in here. Relax. The only apocalypse coming is within your own soul where it is supposed to be.


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Norine Williams 2 weeks ago

Why then am *I* not afraid to discuss and you are?

Your actions show [once again] you are AFRAID OF TRUTH!

I TRULY feel your 'belief' stems from your childhood and you REALLY haven't forgiven your mom; subsequently, "trying" to prove "her God" wrong!

Retaliation?


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Misfit Chick 2 weeks ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

I've told you - I'm not afraid to discuss. If you want to discuss some direct thing about this article that you refuse to read - after you read it - fine. We've argued many many times; and I've left plenty you have to say in the above comments. How do I know you haven't read it? Because you keep asking me questions that I've answered in the article, like 'what do you mean there is no hell, how can that be' or 'what happens then when we die - no one has to pay for anything'?

MAYBE God set this 'bad' situation with my mom up so that the perspective above could come out through yet another different kind of source. There have been so many other people who have come to the same semi-conclusions several different ways over the past 2 or 3 decades - and it is becoming more persistent.

You can be afraid to consider it to the point of not even reading it - like both you & my mom, LoL! Or, you can trust yourself to be able to discern spiritual things beyond your ingrained understanding of the bible. It wasn't always around & it won't always be around - everything cycles. Where will the Word of God go when there is no manipulated human book to contain it?

I had been researching this stuff for 20ish years before my mom & I had our temporary falling out. If you actually read this article, you would know that negative things happen for positive things to manifest. Yup, I was pretty angry with her for a while. I'm at peace, now - and frankly, very very VERY appreciative of the spiritual FREEDOM, perspective & experience it has given me.

Judging is a YUGE Christian theme. Some Christians believe it is required of them. When, why or how I do & say what I do is not your business to try to figure out. I don't care how in tune to Spirit you think you are over me. We are obviously on different frequencies at the moment. No biggie, God is tuned in to all of them.


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Misfit Chick 2 weeks ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Thanks for the usual prattle. Everything cycles - I meant THE EARTH, Norine. Taking things too literally is another problem with some Christians. No, 'The Word' will never change cuz its not contained in the pages of a book.


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Norine Williams 2 weeks ago

You should know using SCIENCE! Oh! I forgot, you're NOT a "Christian" because ANYONE who denies His Power or "Does NOT "obey" His commandments" (I John 2:3-5) is NOT His!


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Misfit Chick 2 weeks ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

This is another reason why I can tell you haven't read this article: you keep accusing me of things that are not true. I respect God and apparently know a great deal more about his power than you do. What you've got in your head is nothing compared to what actually is.

You're obviously one of those dogmatic Christians who doesn't think Science can back God up - because he apparently created mistake on top of mistake from your perspective; and this world has no Scientific rhyme nor reason to it. You've got your manipulated, man-written bible & overly-literal interpretations - that's all you need.

That is the main reason why most Christians do not get taken seriously by non-Christians. Logic, reason & common sense - all attributes God instilled in our minds - are twisted seemingly beyond repair in your's.

You judge often, wrongly & with seething contempt. Your spiritual fruit is rotten. Read the article and catch a clue or be on your merrily destructive way. This is really the LAST comment I will approve by you. I won't even read them anymore.


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Ericdierker 9 days ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

Maitri and Seuss in the same article with Christ? Right on! You Go Girl! For if I am a steward of the beasts that God has provided, how much more am I to respect different people and their ways. You are so clear in calling our dogmas and rituals tools. Innocuous until used and the use is our free will. Our Bible is true yet it is reported on by the CNN of slant and perspective. We really deserve more. But around 400 to Luther, the Bible could only be read by the "holy".

But all this is good. All the rigmarole sets us up to advance. So that is cool and not all are called to advance as a lamb is not a lion.

Thank you for helping us expand our understanding. Let us do it without negative judgment. I close like this because I love it. Namaste, especially to your personal mahatma.


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Misfit Chick 9 days ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

Thanks for the support, Eric. It is 'judgement' against each other that probably irritates me the most - and I think that is what I address most in here. Ironically, it is judgmental people that I come down the hardest on, also. If we could all relax and just be concerned about ourselves - without judging ourselves - we would get along with each other better and probably be a lot happier. Its all so simple, really. Tawanda! (I thought I'd throw in my own mystery word, ha!)


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Ericdierker 8 days ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

You are so right about judging. I find myself judging myself so many times a day it sucks. It builds a resistance within me to be my creative self. But when I slow down, meditate and pray and become mindful I stop judging me and for sure others. What a great journey our co-creator has given us to partake in.

Sorry over here in Fighter Town USA we do not use Tawanda, we use "wing man".


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Misfit Chick 8 days ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD Author

You probably have to be a girl who has watched the movie 'Fried Green Tomatos' a few times to get Tawanda. :)

I see Source/God as 'The Creator' and us as children 'in his image' & in temporary human bodies - as you've said, 'Father' feels good to you.

Jesus came to teach us how to be like him, 'gods in the flesh'. I think it is a personal preference as to how 'intimate', 'sacred' or 'familial' God becomes to each person. Many people who believe in Christ Consciousness like to maintain a sort of sterile perspective - atheists who believe, for instance. But, most of us who are Christians or were Christians are cozy treating that part of us like a close, cherished & wise family member. It becomes whatever you need & changes with you. :)

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