In The Days of Noah

Then and Now....

The Bible states that before the time of the return of Christ, the world will become like it was before the flood. Jesus Himself makes this claim, outlining exactly how the world will be. If you study other accounts (or myths if you prefer) besides the Old Testament you will find many similarities in other cultures to the view of the flood from the Bibles perspective.

Many of these stories speak of giants, violence,large boats and using birds to search for dry land. Others speak of a world that had become over populated. In one legend the “gods” destroy humans because they are keeping them awake!

The closes to the Hebrew telling of the flood is the Sumerian description of these events. They are so much alike that when the tablets were interpreted into English the scholars who did the interpretation were baffled! for more details on this, watch the video below. I am not writing this hub to try to prove the reality of the flood, for what is the point of that? People will believe what they want to believe, and that is my point! The people of today have become 'brainwashed and conditioned by culture to the point that they do no longer except the insights presented to them in the Scriptures.

The attitude seems to be "believe anything as long as it is not connected to the Bible!" Any other explanation seems to do, in fact the latest trend seems to be a "spiritual goulash " a little of this and little of that! Science denies the evidence that there was ever a world wide flood to the magnitude that it speaks of in the Bible. They would rather claim that the Grand Canyon was the results of millions of years of erosion than the work of a massive flood.

However, my purpose in writing this is not to prove the reality of the flood, but instead to draw a connection between the days of Noah and modern times. To have a better understanding of what were the mind set was back in the ancient times. After all, when you take a good look at the myth around "The Great Flood", or even Atlantis myths you can see a lot similarities with the way the world was the way it was then and the way the world is now!

If we are to believe the Bible what so ever, we are lead to believe that men in the days before the flood lived much longer than than men ever have since then. To me, it is interesting to note that we are now living longer than we have in "recorded" history (besides of the time before the flood). Yes, science has made great strives in improving life-spans of humans and yet, at what cost?

More and more our elderly are ending up in nurses homes and dyeing alone away from there families! On one hand, we have made grate advances in medicine. We have eliminated many illnesses that use to plague mankind. Unfortunately, we have created many other health risk created by our "progress"!

We are now facing the reality of overpopulation in world that has become more and more polluted. Even so. we go about our lives just waiting for the other shoe to drop, for it is like we do not know what else to do! We marry and divorce at a growing rate of speed and does not seem to show any sign of changing. Another trend that is happening at a alarming rate, is the dismissal of Christianity or a general belief in God. In fact, 1st Timothy 4:1 states that many will turn away form God "giving heed to seducing spirits and the doctrines of devils." This is exactly what I see happening in today's world.

Many laugh at those who dare to say Jesus Christ will soon return, much like they must of laughed at Noah when he built the Ark! One thing I believe is worth pondering is, if men lived as long as they did, was it not possible that they were able to develop technology that could compare to our own technology. In fact, there are many clues that have been discovered by archaeologist that suggest this very fact. the popular view is that these discoveries point to alien involvement, but could it not also suggest that at one time our ancestors had developed a advance technology? For King Samuel makes the statement that there is noting new under the sun, which may hint to this reality!

In Matthew chapter 24, Jesus makes it clear what the signs will be before his return, and to me these signs are increasing at a a alarming rate and even nature seem to have become unpredictable bizarre. a perfect example of this is Irene which has to be the most unusual hurricane ever! Just look at what happened to the state of Vermont, who could have predicted that?

In Jackson Brown's song "Before The Deluge" are some thought provoking lyrics that seem to fit the message I wish to generate in this writing. No, we do not no the time that Jesus will return, but the signs seem to be increasing, so our duty is to be ready. Are you?






Powerful, just great!

So did the anchients know how to fly or what?

This song has a thought provoking message that seems to fit with the one I want to convey

Here is the Lyrics to the video above.

Lyrics from: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/j/jackson+browne/before+the+deluge_20068553.html

Some of them were dreamers
And some of them were fools
Who were making plans and thinking of the future
With the energy of the innocent
They were gathering the tools
They would need to make their journey back to nature
While the sand slipped through the opening
And their hands reached for the golden ring
With their hearts they turned to each other's heart for refuge
In the troubled years that came before the deluge

Some of them knew pleasure
And some of them knew pain
And for some of them it was only the moment that mattered
And on the brave and crazy wings of youth
They went flying around in the rain
And their feathers, once so fine, grew torn and tattered
And in the end they traded their tired wings
For the resignation that living brings
And exchanged love's bright and fragile glow
For the glitter and the rouge
And in the moment they were swept before the deluge

Now let the music keep our spirits high
And let the buildings keep our children dry
Let creation reveal it's secrets by and by
By and by--
When the light that's lost within us reaches the sky

Some of them were angry
At the way the earth was abused
By the men who learned how to forge her beauty into power
And they struggled to protect her from them
Only to be confused
By the magnitude of her fury in the final hour
And when the sand was gone and the time arrived
In the naked dawn only a few survived
And in attempts to understand a thing so simple and so huge
Believed that they were meant to live after the deluge

Now let the music keep our spirits high
And let the buildings keep our children dry
Let creation reveal it's secrets by and by
By and by--
When the light that's lost within us reaches the sky

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Faithful Daughter 5 years ago from Sunny Florida

How very true. There are many similarities of the flood in other cultures, however, as you stated, people rather believe anything but the Bible's account. We are living now as in the days of Noah and soon the prophesy of the second coming of Christ will be fulfilled, whether anyone believes it or not.

Vote up and interesting!


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Great Hub, and very interesting!


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Thank you so much for dropping in Faithful daughter, and I have also check out some of your writings and I love your honesty!

Hello willstarr, I appreciate the commits and you stopping in!


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North Wind 5 years ago from The World (for now)

The attitude seems to be "believe anything as long as it is not connected to the Bible!"

I love that line because it is very true. I see people bend over backwards to separate themselves from what is said in the Bible. Yet they still use different quotations to suit their purposes....but that is another topic entirely.

I always thought that the people in Noah's day had a lot of technology. I do think that we are in the days which were very much like the days of Noah and Lot.


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samantha stacia 5 years ago from Arizona

I MUST agree that statment is profoundly true that people seem to blieve anything as long as it is not in the Bible. That is an odd phenomena.

And yes, we are noticing a trend of thigs beginning to follow as in the days of Noah, but we have some time to go-it says that EVERY thought in every mind was for evil intention. I can't agree that we are near that yet at all. I believe that is why the days will be shortened(which I thnk could very well be a natural physical occurance sometime since the last big earthquake that caused the sunami in Japan is said by scientists to have shortened our day by a few seconds as a result of the disturbance in the earth wobble) and the reason the days will have to be shortened for the elect(true believers) is because we will be SO badly affected by the evil in peoeples minds.

We are far from that, but we are seeing the seeds of it now I believe.

This is a thought provoking article, voted up and awesome!

Samantha Stacia

http://samantha-stacia.blogspot.com


Eddie-Perkins 5 years ago

This certainly seems to be the attitude "believe anything as long as it is not connected to the Bible!" Thank you for this message of warning. I will be among those taken out before the time of the tribulation, but there are so many who will be left behind – I’m praying and trying to be a vessel God can use to reach them before it is too late. Blessings ~ eddie


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US

With the rapture and Holy Spirit gone there "will be nothing left but evil", except for the Jew of course who will be fleeing finally realizing their big mistake, for there will be flesh for at least the millennium. Great hub, love to see the truth and no fear in telling it.


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin

HVW! I truly enjoy your hubs! Thanks for letting me know you have new hubs ready.

You did a great job with this hub, I too believe we are in the "days before Noah".

In this day and age, all you have to do is turn on the TV to see how wicked the world has become. Bridezillas is a good example of the way many women act in real life. These women are so selfish, and yet, I KNOW women like this, believe it or not.

The there are the Intervention type programs, everyone is addicted to something, it seems that there are very few people who are just normal anymore.

I am shocked over the number of atheists here on hubpages. Not only do they not believe in God, they seem to have a deep seated hatred of God. I don't understand their anger.

The good news is that God loves those atheists, and all they have to do is love God back and accept Jesus into their lives, and then live the best they can.

God does not make it difficult to get into heaven. Thanks again for another awesome hub!


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Hello Magnolia, it is so good of you to stop by! Personally I do understand the reasons why atheists hate Christianity, (at least some do). It is in part because of the fact that Christians have attack the concepts of evolution and many feel this is unfair. Also, many despise the hypocrisy that has been demonstrated though out the history of this religion.

This only goes to prove as men and women we are capable of great wrong doing and only the the salvation brought to us by God's sacrifice of his only son so we may be redeemed. Yes I have been converted to Christianity and yet I can clearly see were the hostility comes from, for Christians have done much evil in the name of Christ! There is also a power behind this, the influence of "the accuser" who is constantly doing all in his power to discredit those who put their trust in God.


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dingyskipper 5 years ago from Northamptonshire

fantastic


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Thank you dingyskipper for dropping by, and I would be curious to know what you think about my evolution hubs!


Lone Ranger 5 years ago

True Christians have never wronged anyone, but there are many who profess to have come in the name of the Lord and then proceed to do unspeakable things.

The Holy Bible is very clear when it states that most people embrace the darkness and flee from the light.

The "Great Accuser" is out of commission. He no longer can hold court before The Almighty to accuse the brethren. His days have long passed, but before he was thrown into the Lake of Fire, he gave his authority over to the beast of Revelation. The evil we see today comes straight from the evil that resides in the hearts of mankind.

Soon, very soon, I intend to start my own Hub. I am not sure, however, if they will allow me to keep the name "Lone Ranger"...for they say that name is already being used (by me). Any suggestions?


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Welcome back.Lone Ranger! I have missed you around here! It is great to hear you will be joining us! I will have to see what the rules say about using a name that you have already used on "the outside" so to speak. Personally I do not see why there should be a problem with it. Just in case, be prepared with another "handle." Once you joined, I will be glad to help you with tips on creating a hub. Keep me posted on when you will join, for if you join under me or Magnolia, one of us will be credited for you joining up. The same way, if you have a friend that would like to join, it is best to have them join under you so you can make some money off of it. It is not much, but every little bit helps!


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sharewhatuknow 5 years ago from Western Washington

Gotta love those Egyptian Hieroglyphs depicting flying crafts such as helicopters, planes and perhaps a B-17 (the "Flying Fortress" bomber plane used in WWII, but without wings shown, but sure looks like a turret)...< A domelike gunner's enclosure projecting from the fuselage of a combat aircraft. Taken from "American Heritage Dictionary.>

The other hieroglyph sure looks like a missile dropping straight down on a mound. ( This mound signifying a village, town, country perhaps ??)


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Rosemay50 5 years ago from Hawkes Bay - NewZealand

A fascinating hub and very informative. We are always learning.

Thank you for the lovely Fan mail


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SusieQ42 5 years ago from Lakeland, FL

I guess that those who believe in anything as long as it's not in the Bible are going to get their "come uppance" aren't they? We Christians know the difference! As sure as the nose on my face, we are seeing "end times" events...you are definitely right. I think this is a great hub. Keep on writing!!!


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Thank you so much for dropping by SusieQ42 and I am glad you like this one!


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Mamadrama 4 years ago from Upstate NY

I would love to sit and chat with you sometime. I am not one to chat religion or politics with anyone, but I would enjoy speaking with you on this. I find that it is either the Christian way or not.. although there are many religious views out there. I love hearing both sides of the story. Very enlightening.. Great Hub!


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Highvoltagewriter 4 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Any time you want to chat would be great! I hope I do not come across as a bible thumper, for the fact are I have studied a lot of belief systems and I use to despise Christianity for they way that people pushed it on others. Then, I started to come to understand that it Christianity is not about the people who promote it, it is about the God that desires a relationship with mankind!


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Trish_M 4 years ago from The English Midlands

A learned friend told me that once people stop believing in God, they start believing in anything.

We seem to be emotionally wired to believe in something ~ even if our sense of logic tells us to question things.


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Highvoltagewriter 4 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Hello Trish M...we should never stop questioning things! What we need to do is ask the right questions and try to decipher what is true. That is why I wrote My "Are we Blinded by Science?" hub, to take a look at what we believe and why. The problem is that the Bible makes it clear that "the world" will never understand Bible truths "leaning on there own understanding." Without having a new way of looking at things (though the eyes of the spirit), the mysteries of the Bible remain just that. mysteries.

This does not set well with those who want to have everything explainable on a physical level. Even though, science is now taking off in directions that can be looked at as quite abstract! The whole concept of the M Theory changes the rules don't you think?


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Trish_M 4 years ago from The English Midlands

Actually, I don't find the Bible mysterious at all. It is clearly a mixture of history, mythology, belief, wishful thinking, dreams, etc, etc.

The ancient authors wrote what they thought, what they had heard, what they had experienced, what they believed, etc.

They interpreted everything as best they could ~ living in their time and place. But they did not have the knowledge or experience that we have ~ particularly advanced modern scientists.

Like all ancient documents, the Bible is well worth reading and studying, because it tells us about the mindsets and the experiences of people long ago.


Lone Ranger 4 years ago

Mamadrama wrote:

" I find that it is either the Christian way or not.. although there are many religious views out there. I love hearing both sides of the story."

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Then perhaps, my dear, you would be willing to hear this one as well.

A Christian apologist, French mathematician, and physicist by the name of Blaise Pascal(b.1623 - d.1662)devised a simple yet significant game. He called it the "Wager" argument, but you may have known it as the "Probability Theory".

Pascal believed that there is as much evidence to prove God's existence as there is evidence to discount God's existence. So, to deal with this stale-mate he reasoned if all things are equal, and in his eyes they were, the wise person should gamble that God exists.

His rationale is thus: In this game (of life), everyone must make a wager on whether God exists or not...it is inescapable, "The game is in progress and the bet must be laid." Because you have already been born, there is no option...you have already joined the game and now must lay down your bet.

Pascal believed that since the evidence in favor of God's existence was equal to the arguments against His existence, the odds were equal. Hence, reason would not be violated regardless of the choice one makes, therefore reason and logic cannot be used to place the bet.

Instead, Pascal theorized that one should place their bet using a matter-of-fact, no-nonsense (pragmatic) approach to weigh the facts regarding one's ability to achieve maximum happiness as the deciding factor. This is to say, since logic and reason are cancelled out and can be of no help in this matter, one should make the decision based upon which side of the coin would bring them the most happiness.

So, "If one wagers that God exists and He does, one has gained eternal life and infinite happiness. If He does not exist, one has lost nothing."

Conversely, "If one wagers that God does not exist and He does, then one has suffered infinite loss. If He does not in fact exist, then one has gained nothing. Hence, the only prudent choice is to believe that God exists."

Naturally, believing that God exists is only the first step and Pascal knew that. Obviously, the demons from Hell know that God exists and that knowledge did nothing to save them. Knowing that God exists, finding out who He is, and then finding out what He wants from you are the obvious next steps. Whether or not you accept His plan is up to you and will determine where you spend eternity.

What is nice about Pascal's Wager Argument is that it can be used in many different scenarios.

Case in point: Mormonism versus Christianity

If Mormonism is true and Christianity is false, and I am a qualifying Mormon who has received my temple recommend card and who follows all the dictates of the Mormon church to the letter (pay, pray, and obey), I can become a god in the "Celestial" heaven and populate my own planet (eventually) after I receive my certificate from Joseph Smith, Jr., when he greets me upon my arrival in the highest heaven.....

If I am still a good Mormon but did not receive my temple recommend card or perhaps I am just a good non-Mormon person, I still get to go to the "Terrestrial" heaven, which is the secondary heaven where Jesus Christ resides.....

Now, if I am a bad guy, I can still go to the 3rd heaven, which is called the "Telestial", after I have worked off my demerits in spirit prison and good Mormons prayed for me in their temple after my death and baptised me post mortem and after I accepted the teachings of Joseph Smith and his church in the after life.

Now, if Mormonism is false and I believed the lies of Joseph Smith and followed his gospel message istead of Christ's, then I will be burning in the Lake of Fire for eternity with Satan, Hitler, Stalin, Casey Anthony and all the demons of Hell.

On the other hand, if Christianity is true and Mormonism is false and I accept and believe in the gospel message of the true Christ of the Holy Bible and accept Him as my personal Savior, I will be in Paradise with Him, His Heavenly Father, and the Saints of Heaven for eternity.

Now, if Christianity is wrong and Mormonism is correct, I still go to one of their 3 heavens, which aint half bad. So, in this regard, the prudent person should choose to reject Mormonism and choose instead to follow Christ Jesus of the Holy Bible, instead of the ficticious Christ of Joseph Smith's demented mind.

Best wishes to you and yours. - L.R.


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Highvoltagewriter 4 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Hello Trish M, I am left wondering if there is any use in these discussions at all since you appear to be closed to any possibility that Christianity has any merit or truth...I stand firm in my believes for I have tested the waters in many belief systems and at long last have returned back to that I now see as true. You say are open mind and yet it does not appear that way at all from my point of view. I have carefully studied scientific views, for I even had friends that were scientist and spent time hunting for fossils shoulder to shoulder with my best friend at the the time, who is now a Naturalist!

I see the Bible being fulfilled right before my eyes, and yet, there is nothing I can do to convince anyone of this if they refuse to see!


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Trish_M 4 years ago from The English Midlands

What you haven't taken into account, HighVoltageWriter, is that I have been considering this subject for many years. :)

In primary school, we had morning worship every day ~ sometimes this would last for three hours!

When I was about 13, I was one of the few people, in my school form, who stood up and declared myself to be a Christian. I even wore a little enamel badge, proclaiming my membership of the church.

I went to Church meetings three times a week around that time.

I would spend school Religious Education lessons and Sunday School classes debating with my teachers.

I spent many years enduring a fair amount of distress because I tried so hard to believe what my mother and my teachers believed.

I wanted to believe and even believed that I believed ~ yet I actually doubted.

I studied History for my degree, which includes a good deal of Theology. My dissertation was on popular Christianity.

I married in church, took my kids to Sunday school, and had them christened. At that time, I was attending church and having regular meetings with my Anglican priest, which I thoroughly enjoyed.

I had ~ indeed still have ~ many Christian friends and relatives. I talked to them.

I believed the original sin stuff and I prayed ~ and prayed.

But my doubts continued.

One day I listened to a radio discussion with the then Bishop of Durham. He had doubts. Lots of doubts. He did not believe in half of what the churches taught.

I decided then that, if an Anglican bishop could have doubts, then so could I. I didn't need to be frightened of my doubts. That was very liberating.

I also started to question the 'fact' that we are all sinful ~ and I rejected the claim.

I joined an online religious discussion group, where we had many serious in-depth debates.

I started to enjoy reading the Bible. I found that, to me at least, it provided evidence that God was not in its pages. If God exists, then I am convinced that he is not as described in those Biblical books.

To say that I am 'closed to any possibility that Christianity has any merit or truth' is not entirely correct, because, if someone could show me the truth of it, then I would have to accept it.

I did believe ~ admittedly with difficulty ~ but nothing ever made real sense.

I am open to possibilities, but I have looked at Christian religious possibilities for many years, and I have concluded that agnosticism works best for me, because there is absolutely no proof that any Biblical mysticism is true.

Highvoltagewriter, you see something that I don't see. I don't know why different people experience this so differently. I have been looking at this subject for at least four decades, so it is not a refusal; it is a complete inability.

I have come to the conclusion that Christianity is just one of many religions which, over the centuries, has helped to satisfy the needs and fears of the human mind.

I think that there is much about our Christian heritage, which is lovely ~ singing hymns, offering thanks, sharing special times, celebrating Easter and Christmas, constructing wonderful sacred buildings, etc, etc.

Humanity needs ritual and we enjoy it, but, sadly, religion ~ Christianity included ~ has also caused, or enabled, much harm and pain. There is plenty of pain in the Bible. A real loving creator would not behave as the Biblical God behaves.

I agree that there is little point in much religious discussion, if the aim is to convert people. I cannot force myself to believe something, so I am unlikely to change at present, and I would not want to take away your faith, even if I could. I do not have the right or the desire to do so.

I see these as objective discussions, not personal crusades. :)


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Highvoltagewriter 4 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Hello Trish, thank you for being honest with me and sharing aspects of your search for truth. Just yesterday at church I heard a sermon about doubt and how it was important to have doubts and questions, and yet there are many questions that stay unanswered no matter were you search to find them. I went though most of my life frustrated by the things I have seen presented by Christianity, so I turned to other belief systems and have read many "scriptures" of many different religions and to be honest, found them all lacking in presenting any thing that was absolute. I have had many false starts with returning to Christianity, for I wanted all the answers handed to me on a silver plater.

Then, something happened to me that was not on a intellectual nature. When it first happened to me it frightened me on level that was greater than any experience I had with the Occult. For I found that there was something that was answering my prayers I found that I was actually having a communication with something beyond my understanding!

I have just started reading a book by Ann Rice called "Angel Time" that I think you may be interested in reading! I had heard that Ann had recently returned to her faith and have turned away from writing about vampires and witches. However, she still has a dark intensity to her writings.

I am also writing a book about a werewolf that becomes a Christian and in many ways, it is a metaphor for my own life!

Personally, I have come to believe there is a adversary of man who is doing what every he can how every "he" can to keep people from knowing the true God. I have seen to many lives change though Christianity to believe that there is nothing to it. For myself I have found that not until I was willing to surrender my will, did I not develop a relationship with this God. I could not do it on my terms!


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Trish_M 4 years ago from The English Midlands

Hi :)

I think that, once someone believes in something, it seems to come true.

I remember telling my kids that Father Christmas would only visit, if they believed in him. Some of their friends didn't believe and they were not visited by Santa Claus. But those who did believe, enjoyed the special magic of his visit.

Have you heard of Derren Brown. He is amazing a modern 'magician'. He experimented to see if the old saying was true: 'think lucky and you will be lucky'. I may write a hub about it, because it was so interesting, but, it appeared that a lucky mascot that he manufactured, really did become 'lucky'. It must have been because people believed.

You say: 'I have come to believe there is a adversary of man' ~ the way I see it, this 'adversary' will exist for you, and for others, for as long as you and others believe ~ while not existing for those who do not believe.

I think that this might be an explanation for this phenomenon.


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Highvoltagewriter 4 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Cool! Trish M.....I believe I will win the lotto! Hay does that apply to evolution also? Believe strong enough that dinosaurs lived 65 million years ago and sure enough it becomes true! So if I belive real hard that I win the lotto and DO NOT win who do I get to sue? Illusionist have been around for thousands of years, I had a friend that could hold his hand over a flaim for a minute or so and would not get burned, but sooner or later he did gert burned. I had another friend that could make it appear that straws could float, but it was not real! Just like the Egyptians could create the illuision of a snake that were eaten by the snake produce by Moses!


Lone Ranger 4 years ago

Howdy, HVW, do you mind if I cut in on your dance with Trish, if for only a moment? Thanks.

I have said it once, but I'll say it again, "There is none so blind as those who REFUSE to see."

Trish got me thinking the other day along with some Mormon associates of mine. So, I thought to really understand where both parties were coming from I must go straight to an authority to help me better understand their condition. I found what I was looking for, but it was not in the Holy Bible; rather, it was in the Encyclopedia of Mental Disorders under DELUSIONS:

"Delusions are irrational beliefs, held with a high level of conviction, that are highly resistant to change even when the delusional person is exposed to forms of proof that contradict the belief."

This pretty well sums up Evolutionists and Mormons, who are both brainwashed, indoctrinated individuals who believe in the concept of human evolution - one believing that humans evolved from an inferior form, whereas Mormons believe that the TBM (true believing Mormons) will evolve into a superior form (gods).

Hope this sheds a little light on the subject and I will say more as time allows. Peace be with you all. - L.R.


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Trish_M 4 years ago from The English Midlands

Hi again :)

No, HVW, it's nothing specific ~ nothing that could guarantee a lottery win ~ it's just a general 'belief', which can generate a good feeling, which can make one see things in a positive and 'lucky' light. :)

If one feels lucky, then life is likely to be a more positive experience than if one feels unlucky ~ to the extent that some people will actually believe in good and bad luck.

It seems that how / what one believes can actually affect one's beliefs ~ ie the beliefs, themselves.

I think that, if you did not believe in a creator and an adversary, then you probably would not see so much evidence for them, but, because you do believe, you are likely to interpret experiences as evidence in favour of their existence.

As for illusionists, yes they have, indeed, existed for a long, long time and this could explain a lot of the miracles related to religion ~ including Christianity's ~ 'miracles'.

Oh, and my Mum can put her hands in candle flames.


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Highvoltagewriter 4 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

There is those who believe in a holographic universe, as I stated in "Are we Blinded by Science." In fact science is moving in that direction. I have also stated that my relationship with God is not based on the intellect, and if one expects to find evidence for God this way then all that person will find is frustration! God does not bend to our terms...That is my story and I am sticking to it!


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Trish_M 4 years ago from The English Midlands

And, as I said, I have no desire to convert you :)


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Highvoltagewriter 4 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Personally, I feel it is God that does the converting...The more I look at the world events the more I believe that the world is on the brink of self destruction, in the ways that the Bible depicted it would happen. I do not feel it is a accident that the Middle East has heated up the way it has, or the fact that Israel has remained a target for hatred. The economy is in shambles, much like it was predicted in Revelations to be. And yet the world does want to acknowledge this. However, some day the world will confess that Jesus is Lord!


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Trish_M 4 years ago from The English Midlands

Hi :)

My daughter recommends that you look at the death of 1000 qualifications' by Anthony Flew and 'the parable of the gardener' by John Wisdom.


Lone Ranger 4 years ago

Happy Black Friday, HVW!

I wanted to write about this in a Hub, but it seems appropriate to discuss this now. I promise not to be long-winded, but there are essentially three elements that are at work in a person's life that are constantly forging and reforming the core belief-system. In turn, the core belief-system gives life to our character, perceptions, perspectives and opinions. In fact, the core belief-system governs how we think. The three elements are as follows:

1) Authority

2) Reason

3) Faith

It is important to note that each one of these elements may act together, work separately, work in perfect harmony, or be in conflict with one another. When they are in conflict, one experiences confusion and doubt. And, not all elements are called into play in any given circumstance.

What does this mean? It means that for those who rely upon faith and faith alone, they are governed by what is known as "Blind Faith", that is, faith that is going it alone, without the benefit of authentic authority or without the benefit of sound reason. This tends to be a dangerous place to be and most cults find solace and comfort living by faith, apart from authority and reason.

Conversely, those who live by reason alone, are those who only believe what they can measure, quantify, analyze

and justify through logic, sight, senses and rationale. It is difficult to find anyone who dwells in this realm completely, but your most ardent, non-biased scientists would come close.

The problem with those who base their belief system soley on reason, is that they will never find God or know Him. You see, The Almighty deliberately hid enough of Himself that one is forced to trust Him and reach out to Him in faith. As is said in the New Testament, "Blessed is he who believes and hasn't seen." Reason requires no faith and without faith we cannot please God, find Him, or know Him.


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Highvoltagewriter 4 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

I may say LR you have a way of expressing things that I some times have trouble with myself, so I appreciate your insights. I always avoided and despised what could be considered blind faith, and when I finally returned to Christianity, I at first came kicking and screaming until I found that my payers WERE being answered, even though not always the way I wanted them to be answered. Little by little I developed a relationship with God, but not on my terms and yet, he was patient with me.

God has allowed me to explore many paths and views of life, that I now deem incorrect. So Trish, when you speak of certain concepts there is many times I feel like saying "been there, got the tee-shirt!" In fact, I have gotten so many "tee-shirts" form travelling down dead in streets that I could start a tee-shirt shop! Jesus promises that if you "seek you will find" it just that some times if we seek in the wrong directions and under the wrong rocks, you may find a deadly serpent or something else that can be harmful to your life! I know I am using metaphors here, but the bottom line has been for me, that there IS a God, a God that Created me and sent his son to die for me and you and any one who desirers to except Him!


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Trish_M 4 years ago from The English Midlands

Well HVW, I did seek, and I did find, but my finding do not seem to have been the same as yours ~ or the Lone Ranger's.

You seem to assume that your conclusions are the correct ones and that mine are incorrect ~ but that may not be so. :)


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Highvoltagewriter 4 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

And yet I have watched other people assume just the opposite. What I found true about seeking and finding is that it can change over the course of time! When I first started seeking answers to lives questions, I believed what others had tried to convince me; and that was that man had invented God. What intrigued me, was just how, why and when did men start to invent God?

The more I searched the more I realized that there had to be a God! I just did not like the "nature" or the caricature of God

as he was presented to me by those who confess to believe in him! That is why I placed my bets on the "god" of this world-Satan! For the explanations presented by Christianity seemed weak and...pathetic! My rebellious nature took me to the extreme- for at that time, that is what applied to me! Intensity and a kill or be killed mentality. This view softened with age, and I finally embraced "The Middle way" Buddhism. The Problem was that a time came in which some of the Buddhist zealots became just like the Christian zealots!

So I tried to turn to science...but it was too late! I had already seen to much though my spiritual eyes, to believe life was cut and dry!

This has been a teaser for my next hub...."My search for God." This will be a "fearless and moral inventory" a time line and in depth look at my own quest for understanding...You don't want to miss this one!


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Trish_M 4 years ago from The English Midlands

I'll look forward to it :)


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Trish said:

"You seem to assume that your conclusions are the correct ones and that mine are incorrect ~ but that may not be so."

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I cannot speak for HighVoltage, Trish, but I can tell you that my search for truth took me beyond the scope of "science". REASON could answer some questions that I had and even though it was a good guide for awhile it refused to take me one step beyond its ability, so AUTHORITY and FAITH were able to take me where REASON was unwilling and unable to go.

You see, science can only attempt to answer questions about what they see before them, but when they try to answer questions about WHY they see these things before them, they move from the realm of REASON into the realm of FAITH, but since they deny the authentic authority of the Bible, and without warrant, the quality of FAITH they end up employing is of substandard quality - kind of like using a leaf, water, and needle to find their way through a vast, unchartered wilderness instead of using the map and compass that is already provided through God's Word. So, lost they are and lost they will stay.

In the end, science can only tell you that you are on a wilderness trail and can describe your surroundings in vivid detail, but they cannot tell you why you are on the trail, where you have been, and where the trail leads. When they try to answer these questions they leave the soft, warm blanket of REASON and run head-long into the cold reality of FAITH!

Trish, scientists can measure the galaxy and even think they can measure the universe. What they have found is that the universe is moving away at a uniform rate. If they use projections, and they do, they can project that at some time in the past, all matter in the universe seemed to come from a singular point in space and came about through a singular, cataclysmic event.

However, even though they may be able to track things backward in time, like pressing the rewind button on your DVD player, they can only go so far back and then they are left with more questions that they cannot possibly answer through REASON alone.

Notice that science can never go beyond the Big Bang. They know it was there and they know it happened (and I agree with them), but they do not know why it happened or how it happened...so they leave it alone.

They see life on this planet, but they really don't know why it happened and what "life" really is. If it was all about merging chemicals and amino acids together our scientists would have been able to replicate life long ago in a lab...but they can't.

My point is thus: REASON has its limitations and there are many things in life that cannot be explained through REASON. In truth, there are times when REASON is insufficient to explain the really hard questions that need to be asked.

In my experience, there are a sufficient number of people who stop asking questions at the very point where REASON runs out of gas. This reminds me of the Russian Cosmonaut who returned to Earth after orbiting the Earth for a week or two (Sputnick). Upon his return, he said to the effect that, "God doesn't exist, because if He did, we would have seen Him."

This poor fellow was trying to employ REASON to explain something that lies far beyond the scope of REASON and is far too VAST to gauge with scientific instruments and comprehend through scientific knowledge. He was, in a sense, trying to understand that which is INCOMPREHENSIBLE, by using his little scientific field manual as his AUTHORITY and relying upon his senses to guide him to truth. The Almighty cannot be seen through the use of an electron-microscope or even through the Hubbel Space Telescope, yet His Divine finger-prints and Essence are all around us, but we must use the eyes of FAITH and the AUTHORITY of His Word to know Him.

So, yes, I believe my conclusions are the right ones and your's are exactly what I would expect from someone who relys on REASON to answer all of life's hard questions. Good luck, Trish, we are pulling for you! :0)


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Highvoltagewriter 4 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

So just to let Trish know that I have published that hub I was telling you about...it is called "My search for Truth."


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Trish_M 4 years ago from The English Midlands

Ok ~ I'll check it out, when I have a few minutes :)


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shofarcall 3 years ago

Hello HVW,

I pray that I am prepared for Jesus's return. It is certainly an awareness that I have that it could be any given day or night....I don't have interest in worldly activities and sing the praises of my Saviour daily. And a myriad of other things but how will we ultimately know until He arrives. I know I love Him and live to do His will but frequently fail.

Great hub and these days are much like the days of Noah., where good is called evil and evil is called good and my goodness, there are so many scoffers. Maranatha


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Highvoltagewriter 3 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Satan wants you to doubt your salvation; and yet on the other hand, we should not allow our certainty of salvation make us complacent.

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