Is Suicide A Mortal Sin? You tell Me!

I was always brought up to believe that suicide was a mortal sin, that it was unforgivable and that you could not go to Heaven if you took your own life. The logic being that life is so precious to God that taking any life, even if it were your own, is one of the greatest sins right up there with murder and that suicide condemns a soul to be lost forever, because God can't forgive you until you repent and you can't repent of suicide after you are dead.

Having tragically lost people to suicide, I wanted to find out if this were true. The first time I had ever heard the word was when I was in grade school. I was probably around 9 or 10 when I heard that a girl in my class had an older sister who had killed herself. I remember how very shocked I was because not only had I never heard of such a thing but just the idea that it was possible or that someone could want to do that was just so alien to me. I was then told that this 16 year old girl had gone into her garage, doused herself with gasoline and set herself on fire. She then went running down the street engulfed in flames, screaming until she finally fell dead. I was beyond shocked and kept picturing that image in my head. I kept thinking of her sister and her poor mother having to deal with the horror of it all. I tried to put myself in her position and understand what she could have possibly been thinking. What could ever make a child take her life in such a painful and horrific way? We attended Catholic school so we all had to attend a memorial mass for her. It was my first brush with death and there was just no way of understanding it. But like most things with children when it doesn't directly affect us, it soon faded from my mind. As the years passed, I heard about a few more suicides that happened to people I didn't know..a friend of a friend and a distant relative whom I had never met and as sad as it was at the time to hear about it, I didn't really give it much thought until around 10 years ago.

 

It was about mid morning when there was a knock on the door. My father and I both reached the doorway at the same time and as he opened it, I was shocked to find my friends mother standing there. Vesna was one of my best friends from grade school and high school but we had lost touch after that. In the 10 years since school I must have spoken to her only a handful of times. Every once in a while she would call and fill me in on what was going on. Even through school, she was a lot to handle. She was always so much fun to be around, she had boundless energy, loved to party and chase boys and was always getting in trouble for something. Then there were the odd times when she would become really depressed if something didn't go her way. She never got along with her parents and at one point was even placed in a foster home. She was a wild child and the instigator of our group. I remember going to her house with another friend one afternoon when we were around 13. She decided she wanted to introduce us to her older cousin who"was really cool". Anyway, she convinced us that her cousin had taught her to drive and insisted we take her dads van that was sitting in the driveway. I can still remember that drive. He lived about 20 minutes away by highway and we were experiencing a sense of freedom we had never known before. All of us, driving together, singing along with the music we had blasting, with no parents and not a care in the world. I don't remember what happened when we got there but we didn't stay long and the cousin who had "taught her to drive" didn't seem so pleased to see us. I don't remember the drive home either but I think he might have driven us back. Not surprisingly, she got into a world of trouble when her parents found out and later told us that she had never driven before and was kind of scared when we were on the highway. I am grateful now that we made it home ok and was also glad I didn't know any of that while we were on the road but it was classic Vesna so to speak. So, like I said, in the past 10 years since high school, I had rarely spoken to her. The last time I did was about 2 weeks before her mom came to my door. She called me and sounded really depressed so I went to meet her for a coffee. She told me she had been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and she had to take some medication that she really couldn't stand. I told her how I had been diagnosed with Crohn's disease and the surgeries I had to have, etc. She seemed a little happier then. She went on to say that nobody understood what she was going through and so she basically had no one left in her life who wanted to spend time with her because of her disorder. She was happy that I was sick too so that we could, in her words, help each other through it all. Remembering what she was like back in the day, I told her that one of my biggest problems was exhaustion and that I hardly ever go out anymore, especially to bars and clubs. I was never a club person to begin with but you couldn't drag me there now if you paid me. I also knew how much she liked to drink which is something else I didn't do anymore. Nonetheless, she seemed a bit better by the time we left. A few days later she called and wanted to go out. She was really depressed and didn't know what to do with herself. We went to a restaurant and ordered some food and coffees. She was taking some new medicines that just sucked the life right out of her. This was not the same person I knew. She had no expression on her face and spoke in a monotone. It was like everything was in slow motion..her actions and her thoughts. If you asked her a question, she'd stare at you expressionless for a few minutes until you almost forgot what it was you asked and then in that same monotone, she finally answered you. It was a difficult lunch to get through and my heart just broke for her. She complained about the meds and wanted to stop taking them because they made her feel zombie like but I encouraged her to stick with them, suggesting they may just need to be adjusted. Needless to say, it was one of the longest hours of my life. I didn't hear from her again for another few days, maybe a week but when I did, I knew she was off her meds. She insisted that I come out for a drink with her. I really, really didn't want to but I finally gave in and said I would go for an hour. The next time she called and left a message, I just couldn't bring myself to call her back. It was difficult talking to her and I was just so exhausted. A couple of days later, she left me another message. She sounded upset which was pretty normal for her these days but again, I just didn't feel up to returning her call. You couldn't have a normal conversation with her, each call was gut wrenching and took a lot of time and energy and I just didn't have the energy to give her at that point. Two days later her mother was knocking at my door. I had only seen the woman once or twice when we were in school and she had never before been to my house so I was kind of shocked. The first thought that crossed my mind was that she didn't come home and they were worried about her. She had run away from home so many times when we were younger, she would just take off for days or weeks at a time never telling anybody where she was. The first thing I said was,"What's wrong?" She just looked at me and said,"Vesna died." It was like someone just punched me in the stomach and my mind started racing. She came over and hugged me. I couldn't understand what had happened though. I was picturing car accidents and all kinds of crazy stuff. I heard my father say," Oh my God, What happened? " Then another blow to my stomach as I heard, "She killed herself." I heard her say it but it still didn't seem real. Why had I not seen this coming. I should have seen this coming. Why didn't I call her back? I, of all people should have seen this coming! I knew what it was like to find out you have a chronic illness, which is depressing enough but to have a mental illness causing depression..how had this not even crossed my mind? I was the only friend she had left and I hadn't returned her phone call. Why didn't I return her call? If I had returned her call this wouldn't have happened. It was my fault. Granted it had only been 2 weeks since we had started talking again and we had only spoken a few times but I should have known! I should have been able to stop it.

 

Her mother told me that she overdosed on her medication. I can't tell you how much I thought about it in the following year. I could hear her voice as plain as day. I imagined what it was like for her..taking her pills, swallowing the whole bottle, lying there knowing you were going to die. Was she scared? I imagined fear gripping her after she had taken them and there was nothing she could do. What must that have been like..knowing you were going to die, becoming frightened, perhaps changing her mind but knowing it was too late? I couldn't sleep for the longest time. I just kept imagining it over and over again. Was she scared, had she changed her mind, what was she thinking? It took a long time for me to stop blaming myself. I know it's not my fault but I still think I should have been able to see it coming, that if I had only returned her call this wouldn't have happened. Perhaps God brought her back into my life at that time precisely because I should have understood what she was going through and in so doing, I could have saved her. I have come to terms with it now though. Regardless of whether it is true or not, I will always feel some what responsible but I have since made peace with it.

 

There is an interesting side note to this which helped me to get over some of the blame. I am a bit of a pack rat when it comes to sentimental things. I have saved every letter, card, note, scrap of paper, etc that I have ever received from grade school right on through to the present and from every relationship I have ever had. After she died, I went through all of it, from the 6th grade when we first became friends right through high school and into the present and what I found shocked me to my very core. First of all you can clearly see that she had times of mania and times of depression both in the way she spoke and in the way she wrote. I mean even her handwriting changed during those times though besides her being pretty hyper, she wasn't much different from the rest of us back then. What shocked me the most though was note after note saying she wanted to kill herself. Of course she wasn't really serious, at least I don't think so but I couldn't believe how many times she said it. I don't remember her saying it and I know it wasn't a phrase our group used but there it was on paper. In notes we passed around in class and in letters she wrote to me, more often then not, there it was. It was stupid stuff though like, I hate my teacher, this class sucks, I want to kill myself...I hate my parents, I want to commit suicide or so and so never called me back, I swear I'm gonna kill myself. Like I said, I don't remember her speaking that way but there it was, page after page of it. Was this self fulfilling prophecy? Did her subconscious some how know this is how her life would end or was it simply coincidental? I'm really not sure but I don't think it was just a coincidence. Which brings me to the real question. What happens to a persons soul when they commit suicide?

 

I have learned that the Bibledoesn't have anything to say on this subject one way or another which I find really strange since quite a few people in the bible committed suicide and though it was talked about, it never gave an opinion one way or another on whether this was ok or wrong, sinful or not. It seems to me if this were a sin and one that there was no coming back from, God would have made it clear and there would at least be some mention of it.
I also learned that in the early Christian era suicide was not only tolerated, but condoned by the church. As a result certain sects such as the Donatists and the Circumcellions jumped off cliffs in great numbers to hasten an afterlife that promised greater rewards than those found on earth. However, faced with the loss of so many of its members, in the early centuries (4th to 6th) the church decided that anyone else who committed suicide was going to hell.

So what do you think? Is suicide a sin and considering the one who committed suicide was a practicing Christian, what if anything happens to that soul once they die? I'm still not sure. Part of me feels that it's really wrong. Perhaps if it happens due to mental illness then it's different. Perhaps then they are not responsible but what about those people who aren't mentally ill? What happens to the person who just can't handle the trials of life anymore? What happens to those who are just lonelyor poor or just tired of the struggles? What happens to them? And what about things like, suicide by cop or assisted suicides? Can we really get passed God's law that way? Are we really fooling anyone? After all, God knows what is in our thoughts and in our heart. Does the fact that we goad someone else into committing that final act for us really make any difference to God? I don't think so. I would love to hear your thoughts on this because I have no answers. So...what do you think?

 

As a final aside, I just want to say that no matter what you are going through in life, suicide is never the answer. In fact, I think it is one of the most selfish acts a person can commit. The pain and devastation that you leave behind is by far the wost thing you can do to people who love you. Believe me, I know how difficult life can be and I can't say the thought has never crossed my mind. There have been times of great pain when I prayed, even begged God to call me home but aside from an act of God, I could never reap that kind of pain on the people I love. If the thought has entered your mind then I beg you to seek help. Talk to someone about it. If you feel there is no one you can talk to then seek medical help. Talk to your doctor about it or call a suicide hot-line. Remember, there is nothing so bad that is worth taking your life.

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Story Thyme 6 years ago

A person goes to heaven or hell based on if they have accepted God's forgiveness for their sins. It is a one time thing that lasts forever and covers all sin: past, present, and future. When Christ died on the cross, everyone who is living today was in the future. If He only covered the past, none of us are saved. It is not contingent on whether they commit suicide or murder. Moses was a murderer and so was Paul.


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enchanted13 6 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Thank you Story..and I agree with you to a certain extent. Yes, once you accept Jesus as your Saviour and accept His forgiveness then it is a one time thing that lasts forever but for our part we must still repent of our sins and try not to sin anymore. We cannot accept what Christ did for us and then continue in our old life of sin and expect it to be ok. Yes, Paul was a murderer but after he was saved he didn't go out and continue to kill people. So if suicide is a sin..and I'm still not sure if it is or not, but if it is and we know it is, can we then kill ourselves and expect to be forgiven for it? Especially since we really wouldn't be sorry for doing it or we wouldn't have done it in the first place. I'm just not sure.


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samsons1 6 years ago from Tennessee

voted up & beautiful! though this question has gone 'round and round' since Judas, I believe the Bible gives the best and only answer, after all, God does not need our opinion. Matthew 12:31-32 says: "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come". As we know no one can come to repentance "unless the Spirit draws him"; this drawing him is the Holy Spirit continually telling us we need to repent, confess and accept Jesus and we just reject this calling to repentance, thereby 'blaspheming the Holy Spirit...'


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Marliza Gunter 6 years ago from South Africa

I've dealt with a lot of depression people, but this clearly is a case of an evil spirit that was overpowering her...she did cry out for help, but your fight was not against her, but against this evil spirit, who told her for years that he will kill her. Basically he will mess up her life so bad, till she does what he wants, to kill herself. Your time with her was a heavy strain on you, because this evil was sucking you dry of all energy and power you had and left you tired and also feeling down in the dumps. His primary purpose would be to get you away from her if he recons you as any kind of threat to him...In this specific scenario, she needed Jesus more than anything else. The fact that she hated the meds, was because when in a deep level of depression, then any strong medicine or alcohol that could impair your normal judgment, will be fatal for you in a personal spiritual fight like she had. Those medicine thus created fear and weakness, and made the evil force more stronger.

Not all scenarios is of demon origin, but with years of knowledge how to look for their presence, this particular one is. If she was born again Christian before death, then she will be saved. Death is death, the question really lies with if you believed in Jesus before death, even if it is moments before death, Jesus will bring her into His heaven.


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enchanted13 6 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Thank you Samson and Marliza! I very much appreciate both your thoughts on the subject. It's funny, I'm not sure where this came from exactly. I have been working on 2 other hubs for a while now but the other day I started thinking about this for some reason and wrote it out in about an hour. Like I said, I'm not sure why but it has been weighing on me so I really do appreciate your thoughts!

Thank you..xoxo


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brotheryochanan 6 years ago from BC, canada

Suicide. Ya don't always need a scripture to perceive the mind of God on matters, the Holy Spirits' purpose is just this.

Suicide is wrong because it either ends the work God wants to do in that persons life (if saved) or it ruins any chances for salvation to occur (if unsaved)

Reincarnation is an evil doctrine because people kill people so they can have a better life next time round if this one isn't working out so well, hence, bombers may have a better life next time after they destroy something for their worthy cause. This is just evil and of course no christian would buy into it as a thing to do or a proper doctrine.

What God will do with the saved life that commits suicide. Let us speculate as to why the christian offed themselves in the first place. Their connection to God was flawed. We as christians know God never lets us down and he will pick up as often as we need and ARE sincere towards God. Christians who sin for the fun of sinning are christians God regrets anyway. So God will really have to judge this but i do not think they will get brownie points.

Unsaved people who kill themselves, oh well, that's a shame, come judgment they will experience a second death, somewhere in the future, again.

People with chemical imbalances, tricky, again boils down to saved or unsaved. God will reward christians who sincerely tried, more than christians who didn't really try, either way, Reward! and by reward i do not mean one gets a bigger mansion or more cattle or more land.

As to demon possession. Well thats kind of a salvation loop hole, dontcha think? My favorite rebuttle to this is, "while watching the movie of his/her life, the unsaved notice a shadowy figure entering them, "whats that?" the person asks. God replies, "Oh that's a demon entering into you, its seems you were possessed for the rest of your life". To which the unsaved responds. "Gee, i am sorry then God i would have come to you but it seems i had a demon controlling me". We read of exclamatory demons, shrieking, i know who you are jesus of nazareth, and throwing their hosts into fires, etc.. whew, thank goodness jesus was around to help. But what after he left? Churchianity certainly doesn't teach how to expel demons, there is no set pattern for instruction. Paul goes through much dedication to mention the gifts of the spirit and how prophecy and tongues edify the church and how they should be used but never says, oh.. hmmm... "when casting out a demon you must etc, etc". So many people go around with demons, I mean 6 billion people in the world, say 1 billion demons, one is 6 is possessed, wait subtract the christians and littel babies, one in 4 is possessed... its a ridiculous idea that was birthed by babylonians and other false religions and unfortunately the jews assimilated during their 400 yr exile and domination by syrians, babylonians and romans influenced by the pagan practices all around and their many "spirits" and the catholics included fallen angels to appease this "false belief system" and put forth a christian parallel to make themselves more viable.

Good question. Don't do it!! LOL


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SilentReed 6 years ago from Philippines

I don't think suicide is a sin. The martyrs of the church chose to die for their belief although they were given the option of life if they renounce their faith.The church acknowledge their martyrdom so how could it be a sin?Sometimes death is the only way out from an unattenable situation.For honor,faith,belief,to spare others from further sufferings,to save lives.


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brotheryochanan 6 years ago from BC, canada

Martyrdom is not a suicide. Suicide is when you kill yourself not when someone else kills you. You cannot call standing up for your faith and then being shot a suicide. Did johh the baptist commit suicide? NO. Did stephen? NO. How is a person to know that God will not wisk them away to safety before they die if they stand up for their faith? Martyrs' die in good standing before God for surely, Gods work is over for them if they die.


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enchanted13 6 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Thank you both for your replies!

Silent Reed, I have to agree that martyrdom is not suicide. They didn't choose to die nor did they kill themselves. They stood up for their faith and I can only pray that if I had to choose under threat of torture and death, that I wouldn't have given in to the fear or pain and was able to stand as strong as these great Christians did.

Brotheryochanan, you have given me a great deal to think about and I thank you. I agree with you that suicide is wrong as you could no doubt gather from my hub. I guess, I just wanted to ease my guilt..to know that this troubled friend finally found peace and is with God but I can't know that because I can't know her heart, I don't know what she really believed. I know that she was raised Catholic and was baptized and confirmed but alas, that does not always mean one really accepted Christ or really thought about or tried to live in their salvation. I can't know if she reached out to God in the end, if she would have done the same thing with or without the mental condition or the medications she was taking, etc. I can only hope and ask for forgiveness. I believe in a merciful God and if there was any way of saving her, I know that God would not let her slip from His fingers.

Again, thank you for your insights! God bless!


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Marliza Gunter 6 years ago from South Africa

yes...brotheryochanan...What a deplorable mess this world is in!! ;)

Tis reminds me of a song "What kind of love are you on?"

"You blame it on your mother

you know its not true

but you like it like that"


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drpastorcarlotta 6 years ago from BREAKOUT MINISTRIES, INC. KC

very good Hub! (1 Corinthians 6:19-20 NIV) [19] Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; [20] you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

(1 Corinthians 3:16-17 NIV) [16] Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you? [17] If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God&'s temple is sacred, and you are that temple.

I think those are pretty clear. If you are a Christian your life and for that matter your body are no longer your own, they were bought with the blood of Christ. Here are two more passages:

(Psalm 39:4 NIV) Show me, O LORD, my life's end and the number of my days; let me know how fleeting is my life.

(Psalm 139:15-16 NIV) [15] My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, [16] your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.

You might be asking what those two have to do with suicide, they don't even talk about death. Yes they do. Both of them talk about God knowing how long your life will be. How does God know? He knows because it is up to Him to decide. When a person kills them self, they are playing god in their own life. They are taking the decision away from God. Now I ask you; is that a sin?

GREAT HUB!! When you get a chance, come visit my Hubs! Blessings!!


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enchanted13 6 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Thank you Drpastorcarlotta. I appreciate your comments and I have to agree suicide is wrong and is a sin but what about the christian who commits suicide? Can they be forgiven? For that matter, what of the person who is in the grips of a chemical depression? Are they fully responsible for their actions?

Thank you for giving me more to think about though. I'll be by..you have wonderful hubs! God bless!


EmbracingTheTruth 6 years ago

First of all I am sorry that you had to experience this, I had a distant cousin who took his life and it really affected me in so many ways. So I can only imagine what you are going through. But it was not your fault that she made the decision that she did. You did what you could to help her, but you cannot allow others to drag you down. God allowed her to commit the act because it was her choice, and it had nothing to do with you not returning the call. If she had had God on her side, she would have been able to call on him to help her.

With that said, I do not believe that a true christian would ever commit suicide. People say that Samsom committed suicide, but when you read the context, it is clear to understand that he was in battle. He had to save his people, even if it cost his life. So if he committed suicide, then you could say the same for all the soldiers who die in battle. As for King Saul, was he really a man of God? I hardly think so because he continually sought to kill David, whom the Bible clearly describes as a man of God.

True Christians have the Holy Spirit to lead them and guide them, and the Spirit will never lead them to kill themselves. If a person was saved, and then ends their life, then at that moment of decision they were not under the Holy Spirit, and thus unless they repent, they will not be saved. No unrepented sin will enter into heaven, because God can only forgive if we ask for his forgiveness.

So does this mean that all those who commit suicide will enter into hell? Absolutely not. God is almighty and all powerful, and he can bring people to repentance after they have made the decision. In your friends case, she had time to repent from the time she took the pills, until she died. But the chances of this happening is probably very slim, because these people have rejected the counsel of God, so why would they accept him now, after they have made a choice to destroy the gift that God has given them? If we cannot appreciate the life that we have here on earth how will we appreciate the life after? People who commit suicide make it clear that they do not want the gift of life...not in this life, or in the life to come. But at the same time we cannot judge, because God allows bad things to happen to others so that we can see the light. For this reason, we do not know whether or not he saves the people. I know that a lot of people, myself included were brought closer to God when my cousin committed suicide, and because of it, I would hate to think that he is destined for hell. But those things are in the hands of God. What we can do now, is work out our own salvation with fear and trembling.


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enchanted13 6 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Thank you ETT. I'm really sorry to hear about your cousin as well. You're right..I think what makes suicide so awful is the devestation it brings to those who they left behind and I can only hope that she turned to God in those last few minutes.

Thank you for stopping by..I think you have some great hubs! God Bless!


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CMCastro 6 years ago from Baltimore,MD USA

Such a tragic story and it must have taken you a lot of courage to share that with us. I hope that you have received support that you need in this tragic loss. My one advice to you is to make sure your close ones have made the decision to accept Jesus Christ in their life. And to know that He has forgiven them and to know that there is no one to blame including themselves for what ever has not worked out in their lives. Then if you see them initiate a relationship with God's son Jesus then share with them those beautiful poems and scripture you shared with us. I wish you peace and gladness in you and your family.


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enchanted13 6 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Thank you so much CM! I appreciate your words of comfort and support more then you know.

Much love..


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Team Wiseman 6 years ago

Suicide is simply a great sin. The Bible is clear on this fact. You said it yourself, we have no chance to ask for forgiveness, cause while we breathe on this Earth, that is the time for decision. We wrote on the same topic. Check it out if you would like to know more. Suicide is a spirit, a demon, and it is causing many in these days to reject God and His saving power by killing themselves. This demon army of suicide is amplifying the problems of our generation, making them seem as there is no Hope. But Christ is our hope. Not the end of a barrel on a gun, or the bottom of a pill bottle. What happens to one who commits suicide? They don't go to Hades immediately. If anyone would like to know more, just check out our writings as well. This is a great hub, enchanted, and keep up the great work. You have surely helped someone in need. May God Bless You And Your Writings. We are definitely following your writings. Team Wiseman


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enchanted13 6 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Thank you Team Wiseman. I value and appreciate your opinion and look forward to reading your hubs!

God Bless!


Nightvid Cole 6 years ago

It is out of pondering precisely this type of question and the logical absurdities that result no matter what answer one chooses, that caused me to turn from "born-and-raised" Christian to agnostic at the age of 23. If God exists and is all-loving, and if the Bible is really the word of God, surely no one is punished for something they are not informed of? Oh, yeah the church changed the rules when they were losing members to suicide, but surely God's rules don't change when humans decide that it does...but yet it is equally obvious that, although suicide would be 'forgiven', God doesn't command us to do it. There's even the issue of the fact that if one who has not heard the Gospel is not "saved", God is not loving, but if they are, then God is commanding that poeple be condemned against their will not by the actions of God but by those who tell them of the Gospel. None of this religion makes any sense. It's concocted entirely by humans wanting control, changed whenever the church wants funding, and its absurdities should be obvious. So many different claims of people having divine revelation with God telling them each different things. Either God is not consistent with Himself or each and every one of them is simply hallucinating.

There has never been any demonstrable and unambiguous evidence that you can have consciousness without brain function, or normal consciousness when the brain function is altered by molecules of ethanol or LSD. The mind is purely a function of the brain. There is no afterlife, no immortal soul, and no mind without a brain. When you die that's it, no hell, no heaven. The sooner you wake up from the religious delusion the more fulfilling you will live. Do everything while you can and enjoy every day, because when you go, you go. Forever.


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Darlene Sabella 6 years ago from Hello, my name is Toast and Jam, I live in the forest with my dog named Sam ...

Honestly my dear dear girl, it really seems as if you really already decided in your own mind! However, I did have a long talk with my priest about this and if you are mentally ill, and you take your life it is not a sin, it sounds to be that she was bi-polar and almost everyone with this illness tries suicide, some succeed while others fail to only try again. Even if you had called her back and spent time with her, when she got depressed the pain is to much, it's almost like cancer where every cell in your body hurts and your heart and soul is in torment, take time to understand that life has NO rules, it is like a spinning ball of craziness, some people just want to leave...due to pain of the soul or pain of the body, and remember only God knows your true intent behind your actions. Peace & love darski


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enchanted13 6 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Thank you so much Darlene! I appreciate your thoughts on this and though I want to believe that, it's always comforting to hear it from someone else. :)

God Bless!!


helen 5 years ago

Suicide is not a sin. If you think it is then you are judging and that is a sin. Suicidal people are struggling harder to live than you could possibly understand. A person with Parkinsons walks strangely and a person with a mental who struggles acts strangely, but judgemental people with their own expectations usually gets in the way and that attitude witholds the help that they need and deserve. Society seems to judge the suicidal instead of finding ways to help keep them alive. What gives you the right to think they WANT to die. They want to live, but they are struggling very hard to live with the depression, schizophrenia, severe anxieties that can be debilitating. HAVE A HART AND STOP JUDGING. Be more open minded and compasionate and maybe they won't feel so weird themselves as that vibe comes off of YOU!!!

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