Jainism-The religion of Non-violence

 Thirthankara Rishabh Deva,the first thirthankara
Thirthankara Rishabh Deva,the first thirthankara
 MAhaveera-A painting
MAhaveera-A painting
 Yogi Mahaveera-facing a poisonous serpant,still cool and preaching to that.
Yogi Mahaveera-facing a poisonous serpant,still cool and preaching to that.
 Gomateshwara-one of the gods worshipped by Jains.His large monolithic idol at Shravanabelagola-During the great head-bathing ceremony conducted once in 12 years.
Gomateshwara-one of the gods worshipped by Jains.His large monolithic idol at Shravanabelagola-During the great head-bathing ceremony conducted once in 12 years.
 Emblem adopted by Jains all over the world.This indicates the five vows to be followed by every Jain,Jaina idea of the universe, and all main points of Jaina philosophy
Emblem adopted by Jains all over the world.This indicates the five vows to be followed by every Jain,Jaina idea of the universe, and all main points of Jaina philosophy

History of Jainism

Jainism is actually a pre-vedic relegion according to its canons. But there is no historical proof to support that. So we have to accept it from the date of reliable evidence.That reliably dates back to 9th century B.C.

THIRTHANKARAS

jAINS BELIEVE IN 24 THIRTHANKARAS who rejuvinated the philosophy from time to time.These thirthankaras are like prophets.First thirthankara is Rishabha Deva,whose mention and story is found in Rig-veda.So, jain scholors say that at;east, the existance of Jainism should be believed from the date of Rigveda.But ,historical evidences are found for 23rd thirthankara Parshwanatha only,who lived 250 years earlier to Bhagwan Mahaveera-the 24th thirthankara.Hence, jainism can safely be dated back to 9th century B.C.

Bhagwan Mahaveera,who was born and developed in present Bihar state.lived in 6th century B.C. and his date is undisputed. He was the contemporary of Buddha.but younger to him by 12 years.

Mahaveera lived for 72 years. He became a yogu at the age of 30, meditated for 12 years, and realised the ultimate truth( called -kevala gnana) nad spent the rest 30 years of his life in preaching it to the people, without any descrimination . Hence, he is regardwed as swami or god

Philosophy of Jains

Main points of Jainism can be enumerated as follows:

1. World is neither created nor is there is anyone to maintain it in the same condition. The universe came into existence because of the combination of so many different type of particles here, and it changes, as this permutation changes.So, there is no creater.

2. Every living being has a soul. Hence it has the capacity to get salvation( moksha) sooner or later. It has to make up its mind for that.

3. Good or bad deeds and thoughts done by us ( karma) acts as bondage, binding us to this world. We have to suffer for our deeds/thoughts either in sorrowful or enjoyable manner.Liberation from this cycle is the aim of life.

4 Salvation/moksha is nothing but bringing us out of this bondage of karma.This has to be achieved by doing good things, meditation, donations, helping the poors, etc. Keeping our needs to the minimum is the best way to have less karma.

5. on loosing karma, every soul can attain godhood.But that path is not easy.

6.God doesn't solves our problems. We have to solve it ourselves.God is revered and prayed for -he shows us the way to getout of the karma bondage.We pray him with the wish that let we too become like Him.

Video showing Jaina way of life.Video taken during the 'Mahamasthakabhisheka' Of Lord Gommatesha at Shravanabelagola

7.Good conduct, Good knowledge, and Good faith are three important virtues one should posses to achieve solvation.

8 Non-violence is the basis for all good developments. Violence is the root cause for all sins. Hence,observe non-violence at all costs.

Jainism books

Several books are available on jainism.But the following one is best for preliminery but quite exhaustive knowledge of this religion:

1. COMPENDIUM OF JAINISM-by Justice T.K. Tukol

Published by justice T.K.Tukol trust,Bangalore.

Chairman;B.T.Tukol,Ph:91-080-2664 8335; email-educare@tukoltrust.org

2.Studies in Jainism-by Herman Jacobi

3 Jainism-By-Annie Besant,Pub: The Theosophical society, Adyar,Chennai-20,India.

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H P Roychoudhury 7 years ago from Guwahati, India

Nice article. Jainism is the root of Hindu religion. Thanks for sharing.


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BkCreative 7 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

Thank you so much for this information - from a person who knows. I do like being informed.


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tonymac04 7 years ago from South Africa

Excellent Hub - thanks for writing it so well.

Love and peace

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prasadjain 7 years ago from Tumkur Author

Thank you all, my friends. i am happy this hub is useful.Ask for doubts, if any.


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soumyasrajan 7 years ago from Mumbai India and often in USA

nice article prasad jain. Jainism and philosophy flows from you smoothly.


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prasadjain 7 years ago from Tumkur Author

Thank you Mrs.Soumya. i have only tried to present the main ideas of the

relegious philosophy, in an understandable manner, without technical jargans.


Bal Patil 7 years ago

It is well noted that Jainism is a pre-Vedic religion.I would like to give an url of my Paper: The Rise, Decline And Renewals Of Sramanic Religious Traditions Within Indic Civilisation

With Particular Reference To The Evolution Of Jain Sramanic Culture

And Its Impact On The Indic Civilization

http://www.herenow4u.de/Pages/eng/Articles/TheRise...

(A Paper presented in the Conference on Religions in Indic Civilisation in New Delhi, December, 18-21, 2003, Organised by the Centre for theStudy of Developing Societies in collaboration with International Association for the History of Religions and India International Centre.)


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prasadjain 7 years ago from Tumkur Author

Thank you Mr. Bal Patil. I shall go through your paper. Please be in touch.


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ratnaveera 7 years ago from Cumbum

Dear Jain, Thank you very much for this Great informative Hub on the wonderful religion Jainism. I love and believe all the principles that followed in this great religion. It has great tendency to give real satisfaction to the genuine followers.


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prasadjain 7 years ago from Tumkur Author

Thank you mr. Rathnaveera. I admire your respect for relifions.


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pachuchu1977 7 years ago

Nice Information...thank you. It is very helpful


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stars439 6 years ago from Louisiana, The Magnolia and Pelican State.

Thanky you for a very interesting hub. GBY


H.S.Sowmya 6 years ago

This article very briefly but summerically explains the essentials of jainism.Thanks.Thumbs up!


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soumyasrajan 6 years ago from Mumbai India and often in USA

Very nice article on Jainism prasadjain. Enjoyed reading about these basic ideas.


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soumyasrajan 6 years ago from Mumbai India and often in USA

I saw that I had already written it earlier also. Then I also remembered our exchange. You had thought I am female. I do like your article. Incidentally I just wrote an article on similar ideas- about what is truth.


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prasadjain 5 years ago from Tumkur Author

Thanks Mr.Soumyasrajan.See,now have added a video also


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jainismus 5 years ago from Pune, India

Thank you for this detailed description of Jainism. Yes, Jainism discusses about non-violence in deep. Jains are following non-violence in better way.

Recently I have written a short hub Live and Let Live Philosophy of Jainism. Please have a look:

http://hubpages.com/animals/Live-and-Let-Live-Phil...


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voodoo123 5 years ago from Provo, Utah,United States

Nice Post share living being with a soul.it make capacity to get salvation( moksha) sooner or later. It has to make up its mind for that.


jay rao dear friend of Tukol family 4 years ago

wondeful to see JAINSISM and true non violence. how wonderful and great it would be if the whole world practices true nonviolence. I am priviliged to have known the TUKOL family


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prasadjain 4 years ago from Tumkur Author

Thank you Mr. Jay Rao.


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rahul0324 4 years ago from Gurgaon, India

Great information!


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prasadjain 4 years ago from Tumkur Author

Thank you Mr. Rahul


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sunilkunnoth2012 4 years ago from Calicut (Kozhikode, South India)

Good article. I will study it when I have time. Keep on writing such good stuff.


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prasadjain 4 years ago from Tumkur Author

Thank you very much.


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torrilynn 3 years ago

prasajain,

really nice hub. I recently have written about yoga and how it relates back to the Indian culture.

thanks for this hub and for furthering my insight

Voted up


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prasadjain 3 years ago from Tumkur Author

Thank you very much. Felt happy on knowing you are a yoga practitioner.


Anuragarya 3 years ago

If someone doesn't believe. In god as a supreme person, he is an ATHEIST, that's all. The Vedas are the final authority. Jains believe that creation is eternal, including material creation. But then, why are material objects temporary, if the material energy is eternal? The earth bears so much weight, but still is floating on space perfectly. If to float an aeroplane a living entity ( such as a pilot ) is required, how can earth float on her own account? That means, a SUPREME LIVING ENTITY, THAT IS GOD, IS REQUIRED , TO MAINTAIN EVERYTHING ANIMATE AND INANIMATE. Now one may ask that god should be fee from duties, but actually it is NOT his duty nor he is under anyone's order that he maintains the material world, but he does that so that we are properly taken care of. But , simultaneously, he remains aloof from the material world and enjoys eternally with his devotees on his spiritual world, vaikuntha. He knows everything that is happening in the material world, yet he remains aloof from its happenings. That is the special quality of god, which , I think the tirtankaras, the messengers of god, don't have . The Jains themselves say that the tirtankaras don't know what is happening in the material world but still worship them, as they think that it removes the bondage of karma. They are correct to SOME EXTENT ONLY. They only worship the messengers of god, but neglect the supreme one. And who removes them from the bondage of karma? Who grants them liberation? If our own senses are imperfect, how can we liberate ourselves? Even the tirtankaras had meditated on the supreme person for thousands of years, then they became enlightened. This is a fact to be understood. Moreover, among all the branches of Vedanta , the acintya bhedabheda tattva is the most relevant. Please study that so that you know about god, and who actually god is. Please study govind bhasya commentary on the Vedanta sutra and you may know that god is great, and sweet! You must also know HOW great god is, and stop declaring foolishly that ' Oh, we are all god.' First know the qualifications of god and who god ACTUALLY is. You may download govind bhasya and Prameya ratnavali by Shri baldeva vidyabhushana from the following link in word file :

http://www.harekrsna.com/philosophy/gss/sastra/lit...

And please check www.krishnapath.org for further download on THEISTIC spiritual literatures.

Thanking you

Yours faithfully,

Anurag arya


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prasadjain 3 years ago from Tumkur Author

There are many shortcomings in the above comment. it is not possible to explain all points here.But i shall mention some points here-

1.Tirthankaras are not just messengers of God. They are Gods themselves.They know what is happening in the universe at all times, as a witness, without any involvement.

2 .Every religion holds its sacred books are supreme.Jains do not agree with Vedas fully as they propagate the theory of creation and advocate karmakanda.If for this reason alone Jainism is called Atheist, then it is their delight. WE won't come in the way of their enjoyment.


Anurag arya 3 years ago

There are many branches of Vedas and karma kanda is for materialistic people. The highest thing is pure devotional service. Karma kanda is just for people who are too attached to materialistic people. And the Vedas are infallible and axiomatic truth. You can put out any question and I will answer them right here, on behalf of the holy Vedas.


Anurag arya 3 years ago

If you don't mind, can we have a high level philosophical discussion, based on the above comments?


Anurag arya 3 years ago

Note: Srimad bhagavatam is the foremost of Vedic scriptures and bhaktivedanta vedabase is the greatest preserver of such knowledge. Following is a verse regarding Jainism according to srimad bhagavatam :

Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 5.6.9

yasya kilānucaritam upākarṇya końka-veńka-kuṭakānāḿ rājārhan-nāmopaśikṣya kalāv adharma utkṛṣyamāṇe bhavitavyena vimohitaḥ sva-dharma-patham akuto-bhayam apahāya kupatha-pākhaṇḍam asamañjasaḿ nija-manīṣayā mandaḥ sampravartayiṣyate

SYNONYMS

yasya — of whom (Lord Ṛṣabhadeva); kila anucaritam — pastimes as a paramahaḿsa, above all regulative varṇāśrama principles; upākarṇya — hearing; końka-veńka-kuṭakānām — of Końka, Veńka and Kuṭaka; rājā — the King; arhat-nāma — whose name was Arhat (now known as the Jain); upaśikṣya — imitating the activities of Lord Ṛṣabhadeva in His paramahaḿsa feature; kalau — in this age of Kali; adharme utkṛṣyamāṇe — because of increasing irreligious life; bhavitavyena — by that which was about to happen; vimohitaḥ — bewildered; sva-dharma-patham — the path of religion; akutaḥ-bhayam — which is free from all kinds of fearful danger; apahāya — giving up (such practices as cleanliness, truthfulness, control of the senses and mind, simplicity, the principles of religion, and practical application of knowledge); ku-patha-pākhaṇḍam — the wrong path of atheism; asamañjasam — improper or against the Vedic literature; nija-manīṣayā — by his own fertile brain; mandaḥ — most foolish; sampravartayiṣyate — will introduce.

TRANSLATION

Śukadeva Gosvāmī continued speaking to Mahārāja Parīkṣit: My dear King, the King of Końka, Veńka and Kuṭaka whose name was Arhat, heard of the activities of Ṛṣabhadeva and, imitating Ṛṣabhadeva's principles, introduced a new system of religion. Taking advantage of Kali-yuga, the age of sinful activity, King Arhat, being bewildered, gave up the Vedic principles, which are free from risk, and concocted a new system of religion opposed to the Vedas. That was the beginning of the Jain dharma. Many other so-called religions followed this atheistic system.

PURPORT

When Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa was present on this planet, a person named Pauṇḍraka imitated the four-handed Nārāyaṇa and declared himself the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He desired to compete with Kṛṣṇa. Similarly, during the time of Lord Ṛṣabhadeva, the King of Końka and Veńka acted like a paramahaḿsa and imitated Lord Ṛṣabhadeva. He introduced a system of religion and took advantage of the fallen condition of the people in this age of Kali. It is said in Vedic literatures that people in this age will be more inclined to accept anyone as the Supreme Lord and accept any religious system opposed to Vedic principles. The people in this age are described as mandāḥ sumanda-matayaḥ. Generally they have no spiritual culture, and therefore they are very fallen. Due to this, they will accept any religious system. Due to their misfortune. they forget the Vedic principles. Following non-Vedic principles in this age, they think themselves the Supreme Lord and thus spread the cult of atheism all over the world.


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prasadjain 3 years ago from Tumkur Author

It is possible only if we meet,not here.


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prasadjain 3 years ago from Tumkur Author

Jain scholars have already replied to this silly remark.


Anurag arya 3 years ago

This remark is not silly. It is the verdict of all intelligent devotees of The Lord . By the way , what silly answer have the Jain atheistic so-called 'scholars' have given? Can I know it?


Anurag arya 3 years ago

I think high level discussion is possible by way of comments and replies, here. I give my verdict of the infallible Vedic authority and you give reply by quoting the Jain scriptures. Anekantvad philosophy , by the way , is not really strong, so many vaishnav scholars have refuted it like Madhvacharya , Ramanujacharya especially. Even shankaracharya defeats philosophy like the Jain one, although he spread the impersonalist philosophy, which is also another form of atheism, nothing more.

As far philosophical discussion is concerned, we can do it by above mentioned way right here. There is another of your hub page, ' Jain nude saints, ' there too I can give my arguments. You tell what you think now.


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prasadjain 3 years ago from Tumkur Author

Your assumption that Jains are atheists itself is silly. Tell me what Jainagamas you have read?


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prasadjain 3 years ago from Tumkur Author

Every philosophy has its followers and each one contradicts others. It is better to allow their beliefs to remain with them as that harms nobody. jainacharyas like Pujyapada, samanthabhadra have answered the criticisms raised by vedic acharyas. Great Kannada poet Kuvempu has called Madhva philosophy 'the worst of all'. but we need not go any one's words. Better thing is- instead of simply criticising, we should try to understand good points in each theory, and find out where these philosophies match.We cannot change people's faith.


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prasadjain 3 years ago from Tumkur Author

Christians say Bible is great,Muslims say "quoran is great, You people say

Bhagavadgita is great.I say -Jinagamas are great.None of us is ready to change our opinions.Why? Because, each mind can think separately, and analyse.That's why some one has said-'There can be as many religions as there are people' .That being the case , can we discuss complicated philosophical issues just by mails? You have your belief;I will have mine. However, there is no harm to anybody.

AS Jainism believes in God, it cannot be an atheist religion.If you are anybody feels happy by calling it so, it is left to them.


Anurag arya 3 years ago

Then give me your mail ID please. And I call Jainism atheist because it doesn't believe in a supreme being. It generally raises questions as , ' If god created world, then it means there is a desire and therefore he is not god. ' But I have already answered such type of questions above and I have already said that god created this world because it is we who want to have some separate enjoyment from god. And that very thing is called ' material enjoyment. Well, I will answer such questions of the most common Jain ' scholars ' in my mails. You can mail questions to me and I will answer. My mail ID is anuragarya@ymail.com. I hope you start believing god as an absolute, supreme being , instead of a relative being who has to sit in meditation to 'become' god. As far as we mortals are concerned, we can be equal to god in quality, and not quantity, and that is the acintya bhedabheda philosophy as mentioned in earlier comments.

And Jain agamas also don't believe in god as the supreme being, therefore I call them ATHEISTIC, and I don't need to read them, and quoting my earlier comment on your hubpage 'Jain nude saints ', I would only say:

- What is the purpose of the Vedas?

- Vedic literature teaches one to engage in pure bhakti – pure devotional service. According to the nature and qualification of its so-called followers, Vedic literature has recommended various processes such as karma and jnana. Due to the faults of these followers, various opinions have cropped up. Actually, the Vedas are the only evidence and the instructing spiritual master of mankind. On account of misinterpretation, various opinions other than pure devotional service have been preached. (Bhagavatarka-marici mala 1-6)

- Which Sastra is the essence of all scriptures?

- Srimad Bhagavad-gita is the essence of all scriptures. For one who has not received the nectarean instructions of Bhagavad-gita, studying other scriptures is like an ass carrying a big burden. (Sajjana-toshani 12/2)

And Vedic knowledge is not man made like the Quran and bible , but it directly comes from god. The disciplic succession is as follows :

1) Kåñëa, ( krishna ) 2) Brahmä, 3) Närada; 4) Vyäsa, 5) Madhva, 6) Padmanäbha,

7) Nåhari, 8) Mädhava, 9) Akñobhya, 10) Jayatértha, 11) Jïänasindhu, 12) Dayänidhi, 13) Vidyänidhi, 14) Räjendra, 15) Jayadharma, 16) Puruñottama, 17) Brahmaëyatértha, 18) Vyäsatértha, 19) Lakñmépati, 20) Mädhavendra Puré, 21) Éçvara Puré, (Nityänanda, Advaita), 22) Lord Caitanya, 23) Rüpa (Svarüpa, Sanätana), 24) Raghunätha, Jéva, 25) Kåñëadäsa, 26) Narottama, 27) Viçvanätha, 28) (Baladeva) Jagannätha, 29) Bhaktivinode, 30) Gaurakiçora, 31) Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté, 32) His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupäda.

And this , the Bhagavad Gita is also a transcendental text, and not subject to material nature. And an ordinary man cannot 'compose ' a text like the Bhagavad Gita, because it speaks about very high subject matters which man cannot imagine himself.

Well, saying this, I leave it on you to decide whether truth is relative, as you people think, or absolute , as all the acharyas, except the Jain and Buddhist ones, say. Yes, we would obviously debate , or discuss, whatever you may call, through email.


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prasadjain 3 years ago from Tumkur Author

Christians and muslims do not agree that their holy scripts are written by humans.

Jaina doctrine is much older to Vedic scripts. According to Jaina tradition, Bhagavad gita was first told by Lord Neminatha(22nd tirthankara) to Krishna,which he, in turn, told that toArjuna.Evidence to this is found in 'Siri bhoovalaya'- a book written in numerical script and that is micro filmed and preserved at National Archieve.

When Jain Anekanta vada does'nt say 'Truth is relative' it only says,'Truth has many dimensions.Do not look at only one side and draw conclusion.Look at othersides also and form a complete idea of truth.If this idea sound 'not strong' to you, no quantum of discussion can take us to a satisfactory end.

And, even when Jainism says about 'relative truth' it is only pointing towards worldly truth ,not about obsolute truth. Jainism accepts that-

1 God is there.He is pure, and omniscient.

2 Soul becomes impure by attachment of Karmas.It can be purified by good conduct, Atmadhyana and developing detachment towards worldly affairs.

3 Every soul has the ability to become 'Sarvagna', and attain godhood.Deliverence(Mikti) is the goal of life

Concept of god is different in different religions. Actually, religions in the world do not differ much in the they advise to live live in this world.But, they differ in their concept about god and making of the world. But when the soul attains Moksha, that itself is godhood and he will then be in 'Absolute' state,from which there will be nofall.That is the ideal state.


Anurag arya 3 years ago

But in Bhagavad Gita , krishna says :

tasmät sarveñu käleñu mäm anusmara yudhya ca mayy arpita-mano-buddhir mäm evaiñyasy asaàçayaù

“Therefore, Arjuna, you should always think of Me, and at the same time you should continue your prescribed duty and fight. With your mind and activities always fixed on Me, and everything engaged in Me, you will attain to Me without any doubt.”

He does not advise Arjuna to simply remember Him and give up his occupation. No, the Lord never suggests anything impractical. In this material world, in order to maintain the body one has to work. And about neminath, there is no mention in Bhagavad Gita . Krishna says :

çré-bhagavän uväca imaà vivasvate yogaà proktavän aham avyayam vivasvän manave präha manur ikñväkave ’bravét

çré bhagavän uväca—the Supreme Personality of Godhead said; imam—this; vivasvate—unto the sun-god; yogam—the science of one’s relationship to the Supreme; proktavän—instructed; aham—I; avyayam—imperishable; vivasvän —Vivasvän (the sun-god’s name); manave—unto the father of mankind (of the name Vaivasvata); präha—told; manuù—the father of mankind; ikñväkave —unto King Ikñväku; abravét—said.

TRANSLATION

The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun- god, Vivasvän, and Vivasvän instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Ikñväku.

Therefore, Sri krishna didn't say, ' neminath taught me '. He said, ' I taught to vivasvan. ' Because he is the supreme lord, he doesn't need to be taught. He is the all knowing already, and doesn't need to practice something to 'become' god. He is already in full control. If someone has to do something to ' become ' god, then that person cannot he god, because god is god eternally. We mortals can be all knowing and blissful like the supreme lord, and play with him, dance with him, and enjoy eternal life of bliss and knowledge. But the supreme potency of god, such as his cosmic potency, through which he creates material world, cannot be in us. ' God' means a person with inconceivable potency. Can the tirtankaras satisfy all of their their devotee's desires? Like, if I want to be a friend, a lover , or a parent of a tirtankara, then can he agree to do that? Can he accept my love beyond servitude? Why does he ' have ' to be detached? Isn't he already detached, eternally? If he is the supreme lord, then why did he take so many births to 'become' god? Only krishna has this wonderful , unique, quality.

The bible was written by the follower's of Jesus Christ . They were mortal humans. The Christians themselves say that. The Muslims say that god is invisible at all times, and the same invisible god delivered the Quran to Mohammed . But how can an invisible, and practically nothing-type image 'deliver' something? That's why the Quran and bible are fallible, whereas the Vedas are not, as I have already mentioned the disciplic succession through which they come. Different vaishnav sampradayas have disciplic successions coming from different expansions and incarnations of krishna, like Vishnu, rama, hansa avatara, etc. , but that is not a matter of concern, as they are all incarnations of krishna.

Mukti is not the highest goal of life, but bhakti, pure, loving, devotional servic


Anurag arya 3 years ago

NOTE - THE FOLLOWING COMMENT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPEARED, PLEASE CONTINUE READING FROM THE POINT YOU HAVE LEFT.

But in Bhagavad Gita , krishna says :

tasmät sarveñu käleñu mäm anusmara yudhya ca mayy arpita-mano-buddhir mäm evaiñyasy asaàçayaù

“Therefore, Arjuna, you should always think of Me, and at the same time you should continue your prescribed duty and fight. With your mind and activities always fixed on Me, and everything engaged in Me, you will attain to Me without any doubt.”

He does not advise Arjuna to simply remember Him and give up his occupation. No, the Lord never suggests anything impractical. In this material world, in order to maintain the body one has to work. And about neminath, there is no mention in Bhagavad Gita . Krishna says :

çré-bhagavän uväca imaà vivasvate yogaà proktavän aham avyayam vivasvän manave präha manur ikñväkave ’bravét

çré bhagavän uväca—the Supreme Personality of Godhead said; imam—this; vivasvate—unto the sun-god; yogam—the science of one’s relationship to the Supreme; proktavän—instructed; aham—I; avyayam—imperishable; vivasvän —Vivasvän (the sun-god’s name); manave—unto the father of mankind (of the name Vaivasvata); präha—told; manuù—the father of mankind; ikñväkave —unto King Ikñväku; abravét—said.

TRANSLATION

The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun- god, Vivasvän, and Vivasvän instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Ikñväku.

Therefore, Sri krishna didn't say, ' neminath taught me '. He said, ' I taught to vivasvan. ' Because he is the supreme lord, he doesn't need to be taught. He is the all knowing already, and doesn't need to practice something to 'become' god. He is already in full control. If someone has to do something to ' become ' god, then that person cannot he god, because god is god eternally. We mortals can be all knowing and blissful like the supreme lord, and play with him, dance with him, and enjoy eternal life of bliss and knowledge. But the supreme potency of god, such as his cosmic potency, through which he creates material world, cannot be in us. ' God' means a person with inconceivable potency. Can the tirtankaras satisfy all of their their devotee's desires? Like, if I want to be a friend, a lover , or a parent of a tirtankara, then can he agree to do that? Can he accept my love beyond servitude? Why does he ' have ' to be detached? Isn't he already detached, eternally? If he is the supreme lord, then why did he take so many births to 'become' god? Only krishna has this wonderful , unique, quality.

The bible was written by the follower's of Jesus Christ . They were mortal humans. The Christians themselves say that. The Muslims say that god is invisible at all times, and the same invisible god delivered the Quran to Mohammed . But how can an invisible, and practically nothing-type image 'deliver' something? That's why the Quran and bible are fallible, whereas the Vedas are not, as I have already mentioned the disciplic succession through which they come. Different vaishnav sampradayas have disciplic successions coming from different expansions and incarnations of krishna, like Vishnu, rama, hansa avatara, etc. , but that is not a matter of concern, as they are all incarnations of krishna.

Mukti is not the highest goal of life, but bhakti, pure, loving, devotional service is . In that pure service the god and devotee, both serve each other and enjoy blissful life. The Jains say that a layman cannot attain liberation, and liberation is not possible in this age. But chaitanya mahaprabhu is so merciful, that he has made liberation the most easy in this age, that is, by chanting the holy names of god, one can be delivered from all sins and attain liberation . Of course , non violence and all are similar for all, and even an ant should not be killed. But one should not be a fanatic in the matter of nonviolence and detachment . Layman, woman, all can attain liberation in this life, without having to become a digambar muni.

It is also wrong to consider that simply by becoming a vegetarian one can save himself from transgressing the laws of Nature. Vegetables also have life. One life is meant to feed another living being, and that is the law of Nature. One should not be proud of being a strict vegetarian. The animals have no developed consciousness to recognize the Lord, but a human being is sufficiently intelligent to take lessons from the Vedic literature, and thereby know how the laws of Nature are working, and derive profit out of such knowledge. If a man neglects the instructions of the Vedic literature, his life is very risky. The human being is therefore required to recognize the authority of the Supreme Lord. He must be a devotee of the Lord. He must offer everything to the service of the Lord and partake of only the remnants of foodstuff offered to the Lord. That will make him able to discharge his duty properly. In the Bhagavad-gétä the Lord directly states that He accepts the vegetable foodstuffs from the hands of a pure devotee. Therefore a human being should not only become a strict vegetarian, but he should also be a devotee of the Lord, and offer to the Lord all his food, and only then partake of the prasädam, or mercy of God. Such a devotee can properly discharge the duty of human life. Those who do not do so are eating only sins, and thus will be subjected to the different types of distress, which are the result of the various sins.

The root of sin is deliberate disobedience to the laws of Nature, through not recognizing the proprietorship of the Lord.

So please , this is a request to all mundane scholars , philosophers, religionists, etc. to take advantage of this bad age and make the best use of a bad bargain, if you know what i mean. And everyone knows that Jain doctrine isn't pre- Vedic , it started from rishabhdeva, and before rishabhdeva, the matsya incarnation of Vishnu had arrived and instructed the Vedic knowledge to the Manu of this kalpa. Rishabhdeva is the incarnation of supreme lord Vishnu and he appeared long after matsya. And rishabhdeva's teachings were very different from today's teachings of the Jains , you can see in srimad bhagavatam fifth canto. It is king arhat who has played with his teachings.


Anurag arya 3 years ago

You people say that god cannot take incarnations, as he cannot take birth on material world. But god's power is so inconceivable that even if he appears to deliver the fallen souls to help them get gpfree from material entanglement, he remains untouched by material energy, as he is himself the controller and creator of it. And I have already said he has not sent us here to play silly games with us, but it is by our own choice that we have come into this material world. Can Jainism answer the question why we have come into this material world? Can it answer why we have to work so hard like the digambara munis to achieve liberation? In the first place, why have we been put into this vicious cycle of birth and death? Jainism is therefore, imperfect, and , it's scriptures are also imperfect. The Vedas answer all such questions and they even answer the silly challenges put forth by the Jains .


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prasadjain 3 years ago from Tumkur Author

Your comment clearly shows that your study of Jain scriptures is totally imperfect. Jainism has answered all questions asked by you. When Jains are ready to accept that different views are possible , you hold that what you, or your scriptures say is the only right thing and no other thought is possible. Have you read and understood Karma theory as forwarded in Jainism. If not, go through 'Gommatasara' ,especially 'Jeevakanda' and 'Karmakanda' portions in it.After that, come for discussion with me.Unilateral discussion is of no use.


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prasadjain 3 years ago from Tumkur Author

The present

Bhagavad gita text was compiled in 1000 B.C. The Vaidic people have left many parts inconvenient to them.

Arhat is not the name of the king. It is the name given to a soul that has attained full knowledge(Sarvagnatva)after maditation and loosing karma bond.


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prasadjain 3 years ago from Tumkur Author

WE differ. I believe mukti is and should be the highest goal of life. But it cannot be achieved without bhakti.But, bhakti in what-in the principles that help us to relieve us from the bondage of karmas. Tirthankaras have shown the way how that bondage could be lost. That's why, we should believe in His preachings and behave according to them.


anurag arya 3 years ago

i dont study all kinds of scriptures like a donkey. but ok, if jainism has answered all the questions, then lets see what answer they have. tell me, what answer have they given?


anurag arya 3 years ago

Lord Krishna is complete in six kinds of opulence – wisdom, beauty, fame, power, wealth, and renunciation.

Anyone can claim to be God, but who can actually prove it?

To protect innocent people from imposters, Arjuna asked Lord Krishna to prove his divinity. Lord Krishna granted Arjuna divine vision and revealed his spectacular unlimited forms as the cosmic universe. Thus he conclusively established his divinity.

“Arjuna saw in that universal form unlimited mouths, unlimited eye, unlimited wonderful visions. The form was decorated with many celestial ornaments and bore many diving upraised weapons. He wore celestial garlands and garments, and many divine scents were smeared over his body. All was wondrous, brilliant, unlimited, all expanding. If hundreds of thousands of suns were to rise at once into the sky, their radiance might resemble the effulgence of the supreme person in that universal form.”(Bhagavad-Gita 11.10-12)

In each incarnation, Lord Krishna proved that he was God, all the details can be found in the Srimad Bhagavatam. Here we will focus on his incarnation 5000 years ago.

Lord Krishna performed miracles that no other being can perform.

When Lord Krishna was 7 years old, he lifted a mountain (26 miles in perimeter) and held it up with his one hand for 7 days. Witnessed by tens of thousands of people who were standing underneath the mountain.

Lord Krishna expanded his body into 16,108 forms. Which means he duplicated his body into 16,108 identical bodies.

Lord Krishna transformed himself into others. This means he can make himself into a copy of anyone.

Lord Krishna showed in his mouth, the whole Universe.

Lord Krishna granted Arjuna divine vision and reveled his spectacular unlimited form as the cosmic universe. In which Arjuna could see the various forms of Lord Krishna, and unlimited Planets while being seated in one place. He was also shown the past, present, and future.

Lord Krishna killed all the wicked Kings who were tormenting and harassing the public. People were saved in this very life and didn’t have to wait for the Day of Judgment.

When a woman called Draupadi was disrobed in a court of kings, she called out to Lord Krishna for help and he supplied her with an unlimited sari and thus she could not be disrobed.

Many atheists tried to kill Lord Krishna, but Lord Krishna very easily defeated them all and also gave them on the spot liberation. Lord Krishna is most merciful; he gives liberation even to those who try to kill him. The Lord can give on the spot liberation; one does not need to wait for the Day of Judgment.

Lord Krishna brought back to life many dead people including the six children of Devaki.

Lord Krishna cured diseased people including transforming a hunchback woman into a most beautiful woman in return for offering sandalwood pulp to the Lord.

4. The fourth requirement is that the contender’s qualities are known and proven

Lord Krishna has 64 qualities, which are all mentioned in the Vedic scriptures.

Supreme Father:

“It should be understood that all species of life, o son of Kunti, are made possible by birth in this material nature, and that I am the seed giving father” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 14.4)

“I am the father of this universe, the mother, the support and the grandsire”(Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 9.17)

Supreme Creator: Lord Krishna is the origin of all.

“The whole cosmic order is under me. By my will it is manifested again and again, and by my will it is annihilated at the end” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 9.8)

“Furthermore, O Arjuna, I am the generating seed of all existences. There is no being, moving or unmoving, that can exist without me” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 10.39)

“I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who perfectly know this engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts”(Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 10.8)

“Of all that is material and all that is spiritual in this world, know for certain that I am both the origin and the dissolution” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 7.6)

Supreme Controller: Lord Krishna is the supreme controller.

“I give heat, and I withhold and send forth the rain” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 9.19)

“With a single fragment of myself I pervade and support this entire universe”(Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 10.42)

Supreme Maintainer:

“The splendor of the sun, which dissipates the darkness of the whole world, comes from me. And the splendor of the moon and the splendor of fire are also from me” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 15.12)

“I enter into each planet, and by energy they stay in orbit” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 15.13)

“This material nature, which is one of my energies is working under my direction”(Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 9.10)

Omnipresent: Lord Krishna is omnipresent, meaning he is present everywhere.

“I am the supersoul, O Arjuna, seated in the hearts of all living entities, I am the beginning, the middle, and the end of all beings” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 10.20)

Omnipotent: Lord Krishna is omnipotent, meaning he is the greatest.

“There is no truth beyond Me. Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread”(Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 7.7)

Omniscient: Lord Krishna knows the past, present, and the future.

“O Arjuna, I know everything that has happened in the past, all that is happening in the present, and all things that are yet to come. I also know all living entities” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 7.26)

“Many, many births both you and I have passed. I can remember all of them, but you cannot!”(Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 4.5)

There is Only One God:

“Those who are devotees of other gods and who worship them with faith actually worship only me, O son of Kunti, but they do so in a wrong way. I am the only enjoyer and master of all sacrifices. Therefore, those who do not recognize my true transcendental nature fall down”(Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 9.24)


anurag arya 3 years ago

The Vedic scriptures are the only scriptures that have existed since the beginning of time, and thus eternal and the absolute truth. There is no higher authority than that of the Vedic scriptures.

Lord Brahma who is the first created living being states in Brahma Samhita:

“Krishna who is known as Govinda is the supreme godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and he is the prime cause of all causes.” (Brahma Samhita 5.1)

After Describing various incarnations of the Lord such as Rama, Balrama, Vamana, Nrsimha, and Vishnu, Sukadeva Goswami states:

“All of the above mentioned incarnations are either plenary portions of portions of the plenary portions of the Lord, but Lord Krishna is the original Personality of Godhead” (Srimad Bhagavatam 1.3.28)

Lord Shiva in the Gita Mahatmya states:

“Only one God – Krishna, the son of Devaki (verse 7)

In the Padma Purana it is stated:

“By scrutinizingly reviewing all the revealed scriptures and judging them again and again, it is now concluded that Lord Narayana is the supreme absolute truth, and thus he alone should be worshipped”

In the Skanda Purana it states:

“In the material world, which is full of darkness and dangers, combined with birth and death and full of different anxieties, the only way to get out of the great entanglement is to accept loving transcendental devotional service to Lord Vasudeva.”

The position of Krishna as God is confirmed by great personalities like Narada, Asita, Devela, Parasara, Brahma, and Shiva.

The Srimad Bhagavatam gives the address of Lord Krishna as:

The top most Planet shaped like a Lotus called Goluka Vrandavan in the spiritual universe called Vaikuntha.

Conclusion

Everyone is looking for God, well here is the person God, Lord Krishna. Since you do not know anyone else with the details and proof just mentioned. Why don’t you accept him?


anurag arya 3 years ago

God is the most powerful person, no one can defeat God in anyway.

God is the most beautiful person, no one is more beautiful than God.

God is the most loving person, he is the nicest guy around.

God is the most merciful person, he doesn’t send anyone eternally to hell.

God is the most forgiving person, he gives us unlimited chances (reincarnation).

God is the most caring person, he even cares for the animals like cows, pigs, chickens etc. (vegetarianism).

God is the most fair person, we are rewarded or punished based on our own actions (karma).

God is the most just person, he doesn’t make one suffer or enjoy for no reason (karma).

God is the most efficient person, he doesn’t keep the dead waiting (reincarnation).

God is the most responsible person, he doesn’t order his followers to hate others.

The Vedic scriptures, Srimad Bhagavtam and Bhagavad-Gita. Are the only scriptures on the Planet that completely describes a person who proved without a doubt that he has all the above qualities. That person is Lord Krishna.


anurag arya 3 years ago

Lord Krishna declared himself as the Supreme Father:

“It should be understood that all species of life, o son of Kunti, are made possible by birth in this material nature, and that I am the seed giving father” (Bhagavad-Gita 14.4)

Lord Krishna declared himself as the Supreme Creator:

“Furthermore, O Arjuna, I am the generating seed of all existences. There is no being, moving or unmoving, that can exist without me” (Bhagavad-Gita 10.39)

Lord Krishna declared himself as the Supreme Controller:

“I give heat, and I withhold and send forth the rain” (Bhagavad-Gita 9.19)

“With a single fragment of myself I pervade and support this entire universe”(Bhagavad-Gita 10.42)

Lord Krishna declared himself as the Supreme Maintainer:

“I enter into each planet, and by my energy they stay in orbit” (Bhagavad-Gita 15.13)

Lord Krishna is Omnipresent: meaning he is present everywhere.

“I am the supersoul, O Arjuna, seated in the hearts of all living entities, I am the beginning, the middle, and the end of all beings” ( Bhagavad-Gita 10.20)

Lord Krishna is omnipotent, meaning he is the greatest:

“There is no truth beyond Me. Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread”(Bhagavad-Gita 7.7)

Lord Krishna is Omniscient: meaning he knows the past, present, and the future:

“O Arjuna, I know everything that has happened in the past, all that is happening in the present, and all things that are yet to come. I also know all living entities” (Bhagavad-Gita 7.26)

“Many, many births both you and I have passed. I can remember all of them, but you cannot!”(Bhagavad-Gita 4.5)

Lord Krishna declared himself as the Only God:

“Those who are devotees of other gods and who worship them with faith actually worship only me, O son of Kunti, but they do so in a wrong way. I am the only enjoyer and master of all sacrifices. Therefore, those who do not recognize my true transcendental nature fall down.” (Bhagavad-Gita 9.24)

“Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.” (Bhagavad-Gita 18.66)


anurag arya 3 years ago

The above articles courtesy : www.gitamrta.org.


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prasadjain 3 years ago from Tumkur Author

So, you are commenting without reading basic scriptures of religion you are criticizing.! to tell you what they have said, i need to rewrite the book here,which is not possible.


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prasadjain 3 years ago from Tumkur Author

Thanks for the pains taken by you

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