Joyce Meyer: Materialist or Evangelist?

The Meyer Family Compound

Photo by:  Robert Cohen / Post-Dispatch
Photo by: Robert Cohen / Post-Dispatch

As a Christian myself, I must say that tithing to the Joyce Meyer Ministries, or any of these mainstream TV evangelists is something believers ought to be careful about before writing a check. Yes, God wants us to give to Caesar what is Caesar's and give to Him what is His according to the Bible. However, what if you learned that a significant amount of those monetary gifts you have been sending to the Joyce Meyer Ministries is being pocketed and flaunted by Joyce Meyers herself, her husband, her children, her in-laws and friends? All under the banner of "Enjoying Everyday Life." Please.

Various sources on the web estimate her ministry income at near $100 million a year, if not more by now, given the recent disasters. Yes, you will say that she does use the money to spread the Gospel around the world, feed the hungry, bring them supplies, build schools, and rise churches around the globe. According to Celebrity Net Worth, Meyer was said to be worth $8 million as of 2014.

I am just bothered by a "servant of God" who lives a lavish life style at the expense of the average working American Christian. She uses her personal past sinful story to compel people to give because prosperity will be the result. She recycles and rewrites the Word of God into books, magazines, audio, and video material and sells them at ridiculous prices with promises of a better life. I mean, is that not what the Holy Bible is for? Why rewrite it? For profit.

There are stories of how she sets pledge goals in her conferences and conventions making the congregation meet the outrageous and expensive quotas with guilt-tripping statements. Of course, she misinterprets and abuses Bible quotes to make them sound as if the Lord wants His people to go broke with faith in it all.

Let's itemize just some of the earthly gifts bought and paid for by the Joyce Meyer Ministries congregation, or partners. The following is taken from a county assessor.

Joyce Meyer Ministries Headquarters

  • $20 million building
  • $23,000 marble toilet
  • $30,000 conference table
  • $11,219 French clock
  • $10 million corporate jet
  • $900,000 annual salary paid to Joyce Meyers herself, who is the head and president of the ministry board of trustees
  • $450,000 paid to her husband, Dave Meyers, who is the vice-president
  • It is estimated that about only 10% of her estimated $8 million monthly ministry income goes to actual charitable causes

Joyce Meyer and her family's private indulgences

  • $4 million for five homes for herself and her four children within a compound
  • 10,000 square feet for her house alone that flaunts an 8-car garage
  • Lexus and Mercedes-Benz cars ranging between $40,000 to $55,000 for her, her husband and son

The list goes on based on other articles on the web, but the bottom line is, it is disgusting to me that false prophets such as her, can get away with this scam by using God and people's suffering. She suckers folks to give what little they have in order help her maintain her greedy lifestyle. Save your money from her and instead give it to real churches and organizations that lead by Jesus' actual example.

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Chad A Taylor 7 years ago from Somewhere in Seattle...

And the Jesus who once stated to the masses, "Foxes have holes; birds of the air have nests but I have no where to lay my head..." Jesus still wanders the streets of our nation waiting for His church to find Him... When will we leave the 99 for THE ONE? Thanks for encouraging me with this article.


Becca 6 years ago

So your the type of person who would not give to a beggar on the street for fear that he would use it for drugs and alcohol, forgetting that God told us to give out of our hearts no mattter the outcome. Whatever the beggar does with it is not in your control or concern, what is of concern is your heart, and that is what God sees. So you can choose to pass the beggar(Joyce Meyer) out of animosity, or you can choose to give out of your heart, which the Lord sees. Let God take care of the rest. And as for a false prophet, She is leading people to Christ and leading them to live better lives. A false prophet leads people away from Christ and to live self centered lives also telling prophecies that will not come true. She tells truth that can be tracked in the word and she even says to meditate on it yourself. Sounds to me like you need to search your heart and ask God for deliverance from a religious spirit. The end point is that she is helping the world through her funds and others through his word. King David was wealthy but still praised the Lord and the Lord loved him most. The Lord says that he will bless us abudnantly if we follow him, isn't that what she is doing? If she chooses to use her money in a way you do not approve, that is between her and God. That doesn't make her any less of a follower of the Lord. You sin as well, does that mean you are a false prophet or not truly a follower of the Lord? Let those who have not sinned throw the first stone, sound familiar? So follow the Lord whole heartedly and he will add to your life as well. Meditate on this before you are quick to anger and Judge. God bless.


nima 6 years ago

are we serving God or man?.. people like joyce and benny have used the power of desperation for too long. everyone has a choice. even if people get saved are you telling me that salvation is bought? open your eyes these are the last days. stop hero worshipping please


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jcm_blabs 6 years ago from My Bunker in the Midwest Author

Becca, it seems as though you have judged me without attempting to get to know me. I am simply presenting information that people ought to be aware of before opening their wallets to a so-called, and lavish, servant of God. I will be the first to give to anyone in need, but not to someone who already has more money than me. She loves to recycle the Word of God and selling it re-written in her own way to make a profit. When Jesus entered Jerusalem, He did so riding on a donkey; not on a horse-driven chariot. Therefore, she's not following the example of the humbleness of Jesus. Do your research before commenting. Thanks.


Maxy 6 years ago

This truly says it all. I couldn't have said it better myself. After watching the program, the longer I watched it, the more I realized what was wrong. I felt it. It's truly sad that people lose sight of God's purposes. The ministry itself becomes one's "god" and goes from down, down, down from there.



Shannon 6 years ago

I think it is really a shame to speak badly of fellow Christian's when you tithe your money to a ministry God will bless you and deal with people who wrongly use the money. I think its wise to give to ministries that are reputable. Because the Meyer family have nice things better than what I have doesn't bother me, I would not want to try to make the sacrifices of time and spiritual battles that they have gone thru. You may want to check your own heart if your so jealous, Solomon and David weren't paupers. We should want to bless those who spread Gods word not put them down. Our politicians have a lot more material things and want abortion and gay marriage. Why don't you complain about them. I really feel said that someone who claims to have Jesus love would be so intent on wasting time slamming a ministry that reaches the unsaved. whether or not money is misused many people are being saved from hell. Isn't

that the most important thing?? Love people enough and work together as the body of Christ?


Rachel 6 years ago

I got to your hubpage because I was wondering if you could "tithe" to Joyce Meyers, or if it was considered, you know, extra. I am a new Christian, but I will forever be grateful that God led me to watch Joyce Meyers because she and the Copelands are the reason I became saved. I saw so much of myself in Joyce, and I believed in what she was saying. If I do give to her ministry, I can't concern myself with what she does with the money. She will have to answer God for that.

Shannon, God loves politicians, abortionists, gays, and you. You're right -- let's all try to get along.


Taylor 5 years ago

We are to be good stewards of His money that He gives us...we are blessed to be a blessing...we have specific duties and helping someone to build and empire for themselves is not one of them...seriously, $900,000 + $450,000 for one household from folks who are thin king they are giving to help other people, like the kingdom of God, not one family! Really? Christians think this is okay?


Open mind 5 years ago

There is nothing uglier than American style tele evangelism


caroline  5 years ago

Watching Joyce Meyer has made a positive difference in my life. She doesn't stand at a pulpit and demand you do this and you do that, she doesn't judge, she simple says God loves you and when you truly know it, it "changes your want to".

I believe she speaks from her heart, being very open about her past (growing up/mistakes she has made) and tells of how to PRESS ON and GO FORWARD to live a VICTORIOUS life. After all, isn't that what God wants?

At the time the cars, houses were purchased - she GAVE the proceeds from all her books (30+) to the ministry. The ministry then gave back a portion of her book proceeds in form of salary.

The $23,000 Commode listed above sounds very ominous. But again, is not exactly the truth. The very thing being said about Ms. Meyer's use of the Bible.

The Commode was an antique piece of furniture (not what most think of as a toilet), PLUS the amount written above is wrong. It was a typo and "watch" groups "jumped on it".

Ms. Meyer is VERY open to sharing financial accountability. If you seek answers, simply ASK.

When asked about financial matters, she has come forth so anyone may know where things stand. You may go to her website joycemeyer.org and view financial info under the "About Us" button. You can also request a "detailed annual report". If you are a partner, you will receive one automatically.

Re: selling expensive tapes/CD's. CD's are constantly offered for "whatever you can afford". They change monthly so you could, in fact have almost a complete library of CD's for as little as $1.00 each. Yes, they are also sold for different amounts - generally $5-6 dollars per cd.

Jesus did ride a donkey, was born in a stable did not acquire "things". His purpose was different. He was to die/be raised from the dead for the human race.

Priest of Jesus day wore costly, expensive jewels. Heaven itself has golden streets, gates of pearl and many jewels.

Jesus said Blessed are the meek. The meek are not to be downtrodden financially, physically or emotionally.

Joyce Meyer travels over 10 months out of the year, has apprx 200 speaking engagements per year at 3-4 hours EACH. When you break it down, she is making less than most pastors who go Church to Church and take up donations for their time/travel.

I believe the real reason behind some of the comments is because she is "out there more, doing more and achieving more".

When serving God, we must not loose sight of the purpose.

Jesus Christ came to give us LIFE and to have it MORE ABUNDANTLY.

I personally believe Ms. Meyer's heart is sincere in serving God.

Sadly, the negative comments/squabbling only enforces those who don't know God to look down at the Church.

In His Love


Lori 5 years ago

Joyce Meyer makes a lot of her money from the books she writes, books which have helped and blessed millions of people around the world. I believe money sent to the ministry is used for the ministry. Money from the books she writes belongs to her to do with as she please, just the same as Steven King or Danielle Steele or any other author. Why is it people always want to judge Christians for having fine things and large salaries? It's ok for Bill Gates to make the kind of money he does for running his company but not Joyce Meyer? hmmmmm. I don't remember reading in the Bible that you must be poor to follow Christ. He didn't promise we would be rich either. But He does help those that help themselves and He blesses those that bless others.


Ms. Bea 5 years ago

I don't like to think of myself as a jealous female, picking apart someone like a hen. That has always been a turn off to me. However, I have always had to be careful when getting involved with a church, because there is so many wolves in sheeps clothing. And when you find them it is amazing how shameless they are. I don't like to think of Joyce Meyers in this way, because for the most part I don't believe she is. No one is perfect and she obviously has no problem in admitting that, it has become a commical element to her testimony.

I think that is was a good point or fact that one person pointed out about the proceeds from her own labour (her books). She does have the right to enjoy the fruits of her labour. I don't know the $ breakdown between her books and peoples donations to her ministry, so therefore I am not going to make judgment. If there was an open book on both though I, would probably check it out.

I find her very practical, instead of the tons of hocus pocus stuff you see. I'm sure I don't need to mention names because we know who they are. Again shamelessly shameless.

However, I heard Joyce Meyers talking about a woman who had left her home, her state, her everything to come and work for Joyce Meyers. Joyce Meyers said that when she could not get into speak with her, she parked herself in the yard of the ministry and insisted on talking with Ms. Meyers, because apparently this woman believed God wanted her to work for Joyce. However unlike a practical person, she did not send the ministry a resume or any notice of her intent in advance.

Joyce Meyers said she did call her minister back in the state where she came from, who said she never exhibited a threatening behaviour. However she would not and did not come down to talk to her. She commented to her audience that should be understandable.

To me I did not understand that, and found it cold. I agree that the woman did not present herself in a practical way, and that they should have made sure she wasn't a physical threat, (which I believe they did through the police) but to not communicate with her at all. I was quite surprise, that Joyce Meyers with all her support could not have at least spoke with the woman.

I wonder what kind of affect this made on her. I think this is what happens, when people mistake ministers for Christ.

And I know that there are so many people who are lonely and looking, (probably like this woman) who get caught up in some ministries and taken over and over. They find out their money is wanted, but their company isn't.

I think just even a few kind words, even if in a written form or a phone call would have made such a difference in this womans life, after coming all that way.


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jcm_blabs 5 years ago from My Bunker in the Midwest Author

@ Lori

Thanks for your comment. I didn't know that about her having this woman coming to her for work. While the woman's approach of Meyer was unconventional, it could also have been a test from God of Meyer's ability to even give the woman the time of day. If Meyer thought she was too good and on a high horse to not want to talk to this woman, then that's on her, which God may judge her for one day. After all, Jesus did NOT reject the approach of anyone for anything. Of course, those were different times back then, but He had nothing to fear because the Father was with Him always during His ministry on Earth. It's possible that Meyer was afraid for her life/safety/property/money by avoiding this woman. Judgement Day will sort it all out.


believer 5 years ago

Joyce came from nothing...absolutely nothing. She had to trust in God to provide everything for her and her family...clothes, food, mortgage, everything...for a long, long time in the earlier years of her ministry. I'm happy she's finally able to have some of the material things she's always wanted, quirky and expensive as they might be. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that she lives off of 10% of her income and tithes 90% back into her worldwide ministries and publishing efforts.

All that being said, I did hear her once or twice mentioning a personal fitness trainer and a personal assistant. And I wondered if she was going to get caught up in the "prosperity and abundance" crapola so many televangelists are vomiting to their followers these days. I think not. She may have strayed a bit, but her message of repentance and practical application of biblical principals remain true and I have personally found no fault in her that would cause me to doubt or question my faith in Christ.

Just my two cents.


Blogger 5 years ago

Meyer is a false prophet. End of story.

The proof is in her lifestyle. She takes money from others to live like a queen. This alone reveals she is a false prophet.

Paul said to follow him as he follows Christ.

Neither Christ nor Paul lived as does these false money worshiping false teachers.


another blogger 5 years ago

This article is a shame! This woman has done incredible things to reach the hungry sick and dying around the world. All that takes money! Traveling around takes money! You can't do this with nothing! She came from nothing and built a ministry. Tell me, what business or non profit organization can run without money? Look at the hours she spent studying and putting in to writing those books and cd's etc. and they ask for a donation not your paycheck! What is so different then anyone else who has a best seller? So what if she has a nice home! why not? she worked for it! and she has spent years on helping others reaching the unsaved. I would say GOD is smiling down upon her granting her blessings for her faith and good works abundantly. Isn't that the way the LORD works? Who is anyone to judge anyone anyway? You do what your supposed to do as a good Christian and let the LORD handle the rest. I am very disappointed in this article because this woman has helped me through a lot of tough times. GOD knows there were many. I have seen what she has done done for others as well. That's it let's just slam any good this world has to give. What is wrong with spreading inspiration in such a sad world? It's all up to HIM! do not judge lest thou be judged Amen!


another blogger 5 years ago

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Rudyak47 5 years ago

Hi everyone! Why do people tithe their money to these people anyway? Where is the command to tithe your money?


sdrp 5 years ago

I would just say to all of you above. I make no judgement of Meyers because I do not know her intention, but I do know this - she is uneducated in the things that she speaks about. Yes, it has made her rich. But, the CHRIST is about rising to a higher level of consciousness, not about prosperity gospel. As someone said above, we can have and have it more abundantly. The question is what did Christ mean by "abundance." It's a spiritual abundance. I believe that Meyers is honest, but she just doesn't understand. She hasn't looked into such questions as "where did we get the Bible?" She isn't educated in history, languages, critical thinking, the pscyhology of belief, the biology of belief, "brainwashing," "indoctorination," learning and other subjects that help one to examine "religion" with an educated eye.


Samarpan Biswas 5 years ago

hi i believe in jesus


joe1 5 years ago

I have listened to some of joyces cd's. The message is good, and I know there are outreaches to help those in need. However I do see that there is a question as to whether she is being a good steward of the calling to which has been given to her.. The scriptures state that is easier for the camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God. so pray that she is able to do what the man in the scriptures could'nt. "sell all and follow me". God bless you!


Sandy 5 years ago

Joyce Meyer is a fantastic woman of God. I have read her materials and listened to her speak for years, she is a faithful woman of God, and she has helped many people in their walk with God. She is honest and open about her life and her finances. She has a book that is in the top 10 best sellar list and I believe she should be able to keep the money she gets from selling her books. There are many people making alot of money off of books or cd's they have made. I believe Joyce hears from God and if she is doing something wrong God will not continue to bless her ministry. She is no where near a false prophet. What false prophet would have the fruit that she has in her life?


Liz 5 years ago

Can I quote the original poster? "Various sources on the web".... now THAT's responsible journalism.

I have always loved Joyce Meyer. I believe she has insight from God. I will see her every time she comes to town-FOR FREE. I have bought a couple of her books. I have made NO donations to her ministry.

Her books are NOT overpriced. Try walking through a large bookstore and you'll see similar prices for similar type and length books.

And, no... some people simply DON'T read the Bible (sadly) but will read a book from someone who understands it a little better than they do.

I have NEVER heard her exploit people by making junk promises, unlike some ministries that promise you special "holy water" or "anointing oil" in a gilded flask for a hundred dollar donation... or worse yet, "debt cancellation."

If you don't want to give, DON'T. That's between you and God. And whether she has been a good steward of her money is also between her and God. I love how people think she should walk around in sackcloth just because she's a Christian, when CEO's on wall street drive Jaguars and it's to be expected.

God rewards obedience with prosperity. Abraham, David, Solomon... rich men, blessed by God. She has a grueling schedule, travels and preaches many many times per week, plus writing all of her books. She works her butt off. She still gets paid less than Julia Roberts, IF Julia actually chose to "work" as many days as Joyce.

Christians who can't be happy for the prosperity of other Christians doing God's work? Surprise, surprise.


Venessa 4 years ago

How come we have so much to say about someone who works God? But we don't question Walmart, and other corperatios who are multi billionaires that probably spend there money on drugs, sex and what ever else hurts people? Joyce has the best boss God and he apparently approves cause she's still around, and she should get paid for being an author, after al she's not claiming to have written the bible she simply writes about how the word of god has changed her life and how it can change ours. Oh ya I never ever heard her claim to be a prophet and p.s. if you don't want to give then don't! I don't and I still get to watch her for free! Pps. Doesn't her earnings only prove that with god his blessings are endless, but with humans there is greed wich puts limits on our income, so chill and let our father do his job!


Leslie 4 years ago

Joyce Meyer is an amazing woman! She has been through a terrible childhood. Her books and CDs have changed the lives of many including mine.

Bottom line is the Bible states to tithe and give 10%. God knows your heart and whatever the money is done with is the other persons doing. It isn't our place to judge anyone but to love everyone! I believe God has blessed Joyce TEN FOLD because she is following His word and His path and telling the world about JESUS CHRIST. The devil is putting bad thoughts in your head and getting you to say bad things about her because the devil is afraid of her. JOYCE MEYER ROCKS! What are you doing with your life?


Jorona 4 years ago

To me Joyce Meyer is a blessing! I do not worship her but I certainly worship the God she serves. I am so glad she has the things she has and amazed at how God blessed her! People tend to think Christians should be average or poor but God said he came to give us an abundant life. When you honour God in little HE will give u much. How she uses her money is her buisness not mine. Even is she uses it to feed 1 person in poverty it makes a difference.She travels and works hard to bring the gospel in a simplified and practical way. Let God judge!

Stay blessed!


Kitty 4 years ago

If you judge what's in people's heart, then you play God. Because only God knows the deepest secret of every heart. Give anyway.


kenneth abbott 4 years ago

there is alot of things I don't agree with mrs meyers on, But she is bring lost souls to god,Her homes, family homes, her jet airplane and her salary,is really nobodys business,she desevres everything she has,you might say she is weeping what she sowed.nothing wrong with that,are they?. WE as christances need to pray for each other,and not be so fast to down talk each other,that's all I got to say.


jessica 4 years ago

U people r all crazy idiolizing this woman. The money has gotten to her. And that's not what the Lord wants for us. Keep focus on him and not the materials of the world.


jessica 4 years ago

That's for the article. I agree with u. She has definitely lost her way.


Mari Morgan 4 years ago

What's the matter with you people? MEN (people with penises) who were educated, wealthy, and politically savvy wrote the bible.If you must believe this travesty, go to some local church; you don't need these snake oil peddlers on TV! They play on your wishes for health and prosperity;they are the ones who get rich on you,there isn't any special blessings that they have from a very distant god, if there is one!


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa

excellent article. and to those who say "but she is bringing people to CHRIST"...what good does it do to "bring them to CHRIST" when what you are really doing is bringing them to a false christ? the thing that makes a lie believable is that tiny amount of truth buried in it. all who accept joyce meyers (and any like her)as a true teacher of GODs Word, are being deceived and if they miss out on salvation because of her (and any like her) their blood will be on her head. i used to watch her, and actually liked her, until GOD showed me that her words were NOT HIS Words. personally i would rather give to a homeless person on the street than to her or any like her.


joanne123 4 years ago

FYI, here is the report from the BBB and it doesn't look favorable for this minstry..only passed 10 out of 20 standards for a non profit charitable organization. http://www.bbb.org/charityreviews/national/religio... Personally I don't like to idolize any one person to experience the word of God. Ministries are important to spread the word, and I do support them, but we should be careful donating to someone who seems to be doing it for a very lavish lifestyle.I wouldn't begrudge her for enjoying a comfortable,or evena fairly wealthy lifestyle, but it seems she is right up there with the wealthiest 1% , and it's tax free money...that's just not right, IMO.


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sanstav 4 years ago

So, um, how is Ms. Meyer different than any other televangelist? Ans: She's not.


Lyn 4 years ago

I pray that Joyce is being a good steward of what God has blessed her. If God tells me to give to her ministry, I would, if it is to help save a soul.


donald321 4 years ago

I first came to notice Joyce when her program was called the word.For me it was a discerning lesson with all televangelists. Everything Joyce would preach would coincide with every piece of hell that i was going through at that time and she continually has been a saviour to me even as i speak.Though one must not forget Christ is the only one, Joyce could never kid us on with her teaching as it has to be from God herself. Yes i tithe to her ministry and i thank God for her life. I started tithing about 10 years ago and my life has changed dramatically. Each year i increase my tithe to her ministry and i must say if it were not for her teaching i would have backslid long ago. She deserves everything God allows her to have and it is of God that she and her family are so blessed. This woman has been doing God`s work for so long without blemmish that it must be from God. I am a man from the Western Isles Of Scotland and i am not concerned about the nasty comments made about her, and so what if she is not perfect, can any of us afford to speak. God is taking care of that. Many souls who have found goodness from her work i`m sure do not care for the money side of it and if it was foremost in the Meyer ministry they would long since have lost it. May God bless her, her family and all of you who despise goodness.

Shalom From bonnie Scotland.


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa

donald321...as i said earlier, what good is it if she "brings so many to GOD" if it is the wrong god she is bringing them to? she says in an interview that she has a huge following, she is very popular and she thinks the only way that can happen is if GOD made it so...this is not true, GOD says people will flock after those who make them feel good

2 Timothy 4:2-4

King James Version (KJV)

2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

people with gather to themselves teachers that will tell them the things they want to hear...things like GOD meant for us to be rich.

Proverbs 30:8-9

King James Version (KJV)

8Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me:

9Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the LORD? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain.

we don't speak out against joyce because we despise her or because we despise good things...we speak out because she is teaching lies. we speak out to warn new believers that to listen to her is to be deceived.


Ash 4 years ago

@ timcgaa70, Please tell me how Joyce is speaking lies???


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa

i gave to important examples in my last post, how many more do you need?


A M Werner 4 years ago

After reading through all the comments, the thing I found most interesting was the complete lack of Scripture being used until timcgaa70 offered some. Isn't the Word our sword for doing battle? There are many Scriptures that show us clearly how wealth can become a crutch, how the cares and riches of the world can steal from us our salvation. Many like to look at the wonderful work these prosperity preachers do with their wealth, all the things they build and accomplish - but they hold much back in reserve for themselves and their families. This is where the day-by-day existence is revealed. This is where the truly charity of a poor widow giving her all is revealed. This is where those giving much from their abundance are exposed. The amount people give and donate has absolutely nothing to do with the faith to give all, like the poor widow. Just because Joyce Meyer was poor at one time, it does not justify holding back so much in reserve and living prosperously in this life. The cares and riches of the world have indeed entangled themselves and choked the Word out of her - and that means the teachings she is offering are infested with weeds. Peace


Sherry 4 years ago

Do not touch the Lords anointed or you will have Gods wrath. Be careful.

Most of the skeptics sound like they have jealousy in their hearts. Just do a little check in your heart. Joyce states numerous times that she is paid from her books that she sells not from the ministry.

Her ministry feeds the hungry and provides takes care of people who cannot care for themselves. builds houses in devastated countries. These are things I cannot personally do but I can support her ministry and be part of helping others. So far I don't see you being the Holy Spirit and the convector of people.

Be careful of judging others.

Seek peace at all costs


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa

sherry...GOD gives HIS children the ability to discern truth from falsehoods. it has nothing to do with being jealous. how can one be jealous of an empty heart? joyce most assuredly is NOT one of GODs annointed. what good are all these acts of charity if she teaches lies? the blood of every person who believes her teachings will be on her head, for they are as lost as she is. before you start preaching beware, i strongly suggest you go back to the bible and learn what is truth and what is not. if your heart is sincere, GOD will show you.

BTW, do you realize that joyce is using GOD to make money? if spreading the Word were the purpose of her books they would be written and handed out for free. she is only interested in making money, not saving souls.


josh 4 years ago

you that she's a false teacher but you can't prove it. If your only reason is riches. I doubt you. Read leviticus 28, God promised to bless us physicaly, spiritualy, financialy and materialy.

You don't have a right to talk about a servant of God falsely when you have no proof.

About riches, we all have to be blessed. I my self will have more money than she is having. And am born again, Jesus is my Lord and Savior.

We get to know false teachers by their fruits, what comes out of their mouths if contraly to the gospel of Christ. By their fruits we know them NOT by their riches.


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa

josh, GOD says HIS remnant are a poor and afflicted people...not a rich or wealthy or prosperous one. you say we have no proof, yet when we use GODs Word to prove our stand is the correct one, you deny it. CHRIST said it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. so how is what we say against the gospel CHRIST taught? The bible also tells us a time will come when men call evil good and good evil. that time is now.


josh 4 years ago

Not every rich. Some people trust their money and leave God. Some people use their riches to bless others, as Jesus told that man, '' sell your properties and follow me'' .

If they preach things contraly to the bible, they corrify to have a poor understanding of the gospel or false teachers.

But if they preach the gospel, and do what Jesus tells them to do. Following His commandments. Then i don't see any thing wrong.

Abraham, Solomon, Job were also rich but they are not false prophets.


josh 4 years ago

you are right some look for money and are false. They are after money. Should i ask u some thing personal?


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa

josh, ages ago i used to listen to joyce. my first warning bells went off when i heard her call some women a bunch of fat cows. on national tv. that isn't something a child of GOD does. my eyes have since been opened to her true self, and she is a vain woman. it is important that she dress nice and "keep up with the jonses" as it were. GOD warns us that we cannot serve both HIM and money, and that is what joyce is attempting to do. you can ask me anything you want to.


josh 4 years ago

We can't serve God and money. Meaning we don't have to put trust in money, we most serve the Father who provides us with our needs. Seek first My kingdom...others shall be added unto you...

I believe as christians, we have to face trials and tribulations, the world most hate us because we are not of the world. But when God bless you. He can give you favor that every thing you do becomes such a blessing.

Most preachers quote Bible scriptures, are they all false?? And i my self and most people when we encourage others, counsel, and so on we use bible scriptures.. Do you think that's bad too?.


josh 4 years ago

i meant, most preachers write books, make cds and quote Scriptures in the books. Like wise when we encourage people we use scriptures. Is that also bad?

They do sell the books because they use money when making them.


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa

anytime anyone uses GOD to make money, it is bad, wrong. whether it be poetry, singing, movies, books, it doesn't matter. and remember, satan can quote scripture to, does that make him holy? people can make the Holy Scripture mean anything they want it to mean but it does not mean it is the truth. we cant serve GOD and money means if we try we will love the one and hate the other, the 2 are NOT compatible. when we have money we depend on it and not GOD, it is human nature. show me one rich person who doesn't go out and buy what they need instead of asking GOD for it. it is in asking GOD for our needs that we keep our relationship strong with HIM. that we remember who our maker is, who our source of strength is. and you can tell whether a preacher is false by their fruits. do they live the way CHRIST lived? if they do not they are false. preachers are supposed to be setting examples. if they desire to be preachers then they better be prepared to make sacrifices and leave the world behind. if they cant do this they have no business being preachers.


Josh 4 years ago

You are right, money makes people forget God.

And satan knows Scriptures but for him, he doesn't believe. Bible says devils read and trembles, they don't believe.

But men read and believe, remember without faith you can't please God.

It's not that men of God most be poor. Our God is a rewarder of those who seek Him deligently.

Do you believe in wilderness??. All christians most pass through wilderness wheather rich or poor, there we temptaions, trials and God strengthens our faith. After you are fully taught of God, when you are strong in faith, and money can't separate you from God, then God blesses you with financial blesses because here you are strong in faith, here you are fit to face tribulations and trials.

Some people who get money when their still young in faith, i mean when there young spiritualy, they may turn from the Father. But to some who first seek the kingdom of God, amd they learn alot from the Father, when others are added to them( mat 6:33), they always know what to do and can't easily turn away from God because of what He has given them.

If you say that all people who have money are false, because they have money, no.

Here where iam. Some people go to seek God on the montain, some come driving others come walking, for they have no transport, others bord taxes, because its what they can afford. They are not equal but they seek God.

False teachers teaches a broad way, they will always tell you when you sin ''why repent ye?'' Jesus paid it all. ''why do you pray?, He knows all your needs'' when the bible tells us to pray without ceasing. And Jesus Him self said, ''men aought always to pray and not to faint'' even Paul in phillipian 4:6.

They will always tell you not to bring fourth fruits meant for repentence, mat 3:8.

They will always prophesy things which won't come to pass.

They will do things which don't glorify the Father and not repent.

they will always teach contraly to what the Bible says.

With that we know they are false. If they do some of such then you conlude, they have poor understanding of the gospel, if they don't addmit when told then they are false.


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa

josh, GOD does reward those who seek HIM diligently, but those rewards are spiritual rewards, spiritual blessings. not worldly wealth. why would HE tell us to separate ourselves from the things of the world and then reward us with the things of the world? that wouldn't make much sense. if we are taught that money is the root of all evil then why would HE reward us with it? preachers who preach that GOD meant for us to be rich are false preachers because they preach against what GOD teaches us, pure and simple.


josh 4 years ago

Yes you are right, spiritual blessings, but when you are blessed spiritualy, you will have it all.

yes '' friendship with the world is enmity with God''. What i get from this. Loving the world, things like, admiring, envying, fraud, argument, pride, all evil- thats the world.

Money is the route of all evil, true .

You said '' why would HE tell us to separate from the things of the world and then bless us with the things of the world'' . the things of the world are, killing, lieing, fornication, speaking guile and all evil.

If you take it like that, let me ask you, don't you have a home? Isn't it in the world? Then why don't you consider it as the thing of the world and leave it. Don't you have a job? Are you not paid? . You also get paid.

When you read Psams you will find so many scriptures talking about money. And you will get reasons to work and get money.

Money is the route of all evil'' we have to be sober. But we don't to hate money. We have accept money which comes from good ways. Not stolen, not from speaking guille, actually money from God.


josh 4 years ago

Yes you are right, spiritual blessings, but when you are blessed spiritualy, you will have it all.

yes '' friendship with the world is enmity with God''. What i get from this. Loving the world, things like, admiring, envying, fraud, argument, pride, all evil- that's the world.

Is the route of all evil. What is evil? Eg fornication, adultery, haterade, selfishness, and so fourth.

When you read the Bible, you will find out that we don't have to seek for money, food, clothes and so on. We have to seek God, His kingdom and righteousness and others shall be added unto us. Which others, well jobs, favour, food, clothes , money. That's what i get from it.

Tell me, do i have to hate money so that i go to heaven?


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa

i am on disability, GOD provided my home and the money i have is enough to take care of my needs, any need i have that comes over the money i have GOD takes care of. i thank GOD HE has not made me rich. you continue to believe as you will since nothing i say will convince you otherwise. we will see who is right in the end. i am done with this conversation.


josh 4 years ago

ok, thanks. What i know God will never let the enemy plunk His chosen ones from his hands.

He has His remnant and they will stand cuz He is with them.

I too don't believe in most preachers, mostly televangelists, they work for money. When you read the bible, you find God's people facing trials and tribulations. And Jesus said, '' the world will hate you cuz you are not of the world and it has hated me, a green tree, how about you dry trees??'' these people are loved all over the world. They are of the world, cuz the world loves its own. they have money, too much money. In the bible men of God refused money. These welcome money, you are very right.

But people should always wait for God to give them all their needs.

let me tell you this, the life most preachers live is different from the life the prophets , apostles and the bible tells us to live. You are right.


James hunter 4 years ago

Just wanted to clear something up, the bible does not say that money is the root of all evil, the bible says that the love of money is the root of evil.

There is a big difference, when you read the Bible anything that God built was of excellence, his temples, many of his kings and prophets were prosperous and wealthy people and there are even promises from God that say that those who serve the Lord will enjoy the fat of the land.

The apostle Paul said that he has learnt to be content with much and with little. Nowhere does the Bible teach us that poverty is a sign of spirituality.

Why would a God of excellence raise up a people of poverty, no doubt some people will be poor but also some will be rich.

Lastly incorrect doctrine in certain areas does not mean that you are leading someone to a false Christ, that is incorrect.

The only way you can lead someone to a false Christ is if you preach a Christ that is not risen or not by the right hand of the father.

In regards to Joyce, well even the Apostle Paul said that lets rejoice in the fact that the Gospel is being preached even if in some peoples opinion it's from the wrong motives.


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa

james hunter, your very words show your extreme lack of understanding. since we are talking about joyce here, take a good look at the picture of her estate above. the money that went into that place could have went instead into helping the orphans and the widows, there will always be more orphans and widows than money to help them. did JESUS gather to HIMSELF money or a huge estate with a pool and many room mansion to live in? no, in fact HE had no home at all. joyce loves money and the luxuries it brings her. GODs people who happen to be rich do not care for the money and give it away when ever the opportunity arises. as often as not money is a burden to them. as for unsound doctrine. if you teach a lie about CHRIST then how are you leading someone to the true CHRIST? how can they know the truth if you tell them lies? there is more to CHRIST than the fact that HE arose and sits at the right hand of GOD. if a person gets side tracked running after money because they think that is GODs purpose for them, they will miss out on GODs true purpose...their salvation. prosperity preachers preach that GOD means for us to be rich. what they really mean is get rich so you can give bigger tithes so they can get richer. that is what it all boils down to. do they not tell you if you give more in your tithing you will get bigger financial blessings in your life? the only ones getting rich here are the prosperity preachers themselves.


James hunter 4 years ago

I am in complete agreement that riches that we possess should ultimately be for God's honour and glory.

But I would like to hear an answer as to why so many of God's prophets, kings etc were wealthy, rich and prosperous etc.

Secondly the apostle clearly states this..... That the gospel is summed up in this that christ lived, died an rose again, so our salvation is not based on anything else.

Sure we can have msundersndings and believe certain things that may not be accurate but to make a claim that this automatically means that people that have been saved in her ministry are not in a true relationship with Christ is quite scary, forgive me if I have misunderstood this but it does seem that this is what you are saying.

Let's not forget that God has shown in his word that he blesses people with riches, he blessed Solomon in that way because his priority was people.

Absurdly rich.... Why? Because God gave it to him but of course I am not saying that this is the case of every individual.


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa

there are probably millions of christians in this world. but there are not millions of saved. there are a great many who will say Lord, Lord, to whom CHRIST will say, I never knew you.

to be saved you must accept CHRIST as the divine Son of the Living GOD, and that HE died and rose for your sins. once you have accepted HIM into your heart, HE begins a renewal, changing you from the old to the new. you are no longer interested in the ways of the world. instead you want only to please GOD. if GOD chooses to bring money into your life, what you think of it is only how you can use it to please GOD, because that is your only priority in life. if you have any other priority in life....then you need to rethink your relationship with GOD and HIS Son.


josh 4 years ago

Tru that.

clarrify me please here. How is ms Meyer not use the money to help people? I see they build schools, educate the needy and love the poor.


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa

she doesn't love the poor, she is repulsed by them. she does her charitable works because it is expected of her and because it is tax deductable. listen close to how she speaks about certain classes of people. you can almost hear the loathing in her voice. mother theresa loved the poor. princess diana loved the poor. joyce doesn't love the poor.


josh 4 years ago

I know you have heard her preaching. Have you ever noticed something false?? Am just curious.

And i wonder how you can tell that she doesn't love the poor!

Tell me cuz i have not known every thing about her. i had just started reading some of her books.


josh 4 years ago

does it affect people to listen to them?


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa

josh, i am 42 yrs old. i have spent my entire life walking with GOD, learning about HIM, learning from HIM. unlike most people, there was never a point in my life when i did not know GOD. I was given to HIM before I was born. HE revealed HIMSELF to me when I was three. i made my choice to obey HIM the moment i was old enough to understand what i was doing. that was around age 5. at this point in time, most of what i know, i have learned directly from GOD and that is usually contrary to what most preachers preach. unless you are willing to listen to GOD and throw away self wisdom and time honored ideas, you will not be able to see the truth for what it is. i have said in several posts what is wrong with joyce but you keep asking what i find wrong with her. i don't like to repeat myself. if you really want to know what GOD wants in your life then read the KJV bible, quit listening to preachers.


josh 4 years ago

Ok, thanks. Do you mind if i get you my email adress?


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa

josh, if you want to have a sincere discussion about GOD, i look forward to you contacting me.


Loise 4 years ago

Am so surprised how u confuse the issue of tithing and giving.tithing is emphasised in the book of malachi 3:6-12,whether u tithe in joyce meyer or however, ur obeying God's word.What is important is once u believe the promise that goes with tithing then u will be higher than joyce meyer,God's children are promised to be blessed more than they can imagine,and i believe if u see your fellow christian going astray pray for them that God would make them see light,please don't judge so you may not be judged,no one is righteous


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa

Loise, when i first saw your comment i was to busy to respond and my memory being what it is i just remembered that i never responded. i apologize for that. as for tithing, tithing is not just giving money...it is giving ten percent of all your increase, that means your spiritual increase as well, giving of yourself, your time, your love. we are also to be wise shepherds of what GOD gives us. that means when we tithe money, it goes where GOD wants you to put it, not where a greedy preacher wants you to put it. just because she does good things does not make her a speaker for GOD. GOD gives HIS children the ability to discern when a person is false or not. when you are truly walking with GOD you will learn that the true riches, the only riches worth having, is the riches of spiritual growth and a firm and close relationship with GOD. GOD IS our riches. if joyce were as close to GOD as she claims, she would not be thinking "i deserve to be rich", she would be thinking, how can i use this money to glorify GOD. she would keep just enough to live on and the rest would go to the orphan and the widow. let me ask you something...when CHRIST walked this earth, preaching the gospel, did HE gather to HIMSELF money and material wealth? you know the answer...HE did not even have a home to call HIS own. not because it was not possible for HIM to have one, but because HE preferred to focus on GODs will, doing what HE was sent here for. if we truly obey and follow CHRIST, then we also should prefer to focus on GODs will, not on gaining riches.


adrian 4 years ago

And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.

And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.


ana 4 years ago

This is so sad, @ The author, are u really a christian? just asking? What does it mean when God says He will bless you till your cup overflows??Why aren't criticizing Beyonce for having a private jet but find it wrong for Joyce to ride one? The God I serve is a rich God because he owns EVERYTHING. How rich was JOB ( bible)?? Think about it


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa

@ana...you have little understanding if you compare someone like beyonce to joyce. beyonce isn't someone supposedly preaching the word of GOD and getting rich of it. she is simply an artist getting rich off her talents. joyce is making money and using GOD to do it with. get understanding and with it get wisdom.


AdrianBL 4 years ago

tlmcgaa70 , you seem to be very full of YOURSELF here.

What about King David, Solomon etc? These are humans too and they were among the many rich people in the Bible. If we look at their mistakes and their "rich fifestyle" , how can we even take them as examples?


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa

did David or Solomon tell people to tithe a percentage of theri income to them and in return GOD would make them rich? David and Solomon lived in obedience to GOD. yes they made mistakes, but they walked in accordance to GODs laws. they were kings. kings are rich. but GOD blessed them above all other kings to make an example, to show HIS glory and power. there is NO comparison between them and people like joyce who use GOD to make money. you people who speak in defense of joyce ond others like her show your lack of understanding and wisdom. in the many comments on this hub there is much evidence given showing why joyce is bad news and not godly. yet you refuse to accept that evidence and instead prefer to follow her blindly where ever she leads, even if that means following her to hell...which is exactly where she will lead you. GOD gave you a brain i suggest you start using it and not just follow such preachers blindly because they sound good to you.


AdrianBL 4 years ago

Hmmm...I apologize as I didn't read enough of the above before commenting. But now, I think I have read enough. From the above, josh,james and others mentioned more than enough. I don't have to repeat.

Like you said, let's wait til judgement day.

Let me give you an example of how you are so full of yourself: "unlike most people, there was never a point in my life when i did not know GOD."

Wow, that's such a bold claim.

I'm sorry to have to aim at you but you have been aiming at others by saying they are "lack of understanding and wisdom."

Joyce does sound good but the things I learned were not because they sounded good. In fact those stuff were really hard to practice and most importantly, from the Word. We have the Holy Spirit to help us discern. If I do hear something fishy, I would not practice it.

David and Solomon were kings. Then how about Abraham? And many other rich people in the bible?

Let's use one example:

You mentioned: Solomon lived in obedience to GOD? hmmm, then how do you explain him continually "collecting" wives and concubines?

Who are YOU to judge Joyce and say that she would go to hell? Would she meet King Solomon in Hell too, for all the idolatry he brought into Israel through his wives and concubines?

Let's say Joyce didn't do well enough, she may still go to heaven.

1 Cor 3:15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

I hope I did not quote out of context but here's another: John 21:22.

Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.”

Paraphrasing that: Jesus decided to MAKE Joyce rich. So, what is that to you?

I wonder if you have anything to say about preachers like John Piper. Here's something related to the above.

http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/taste-...

Deuteronomy 8:18

But remember the Lord your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth, and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your ancestors, as it is today.

From Deuteronomy 8:18, we can see that if God gives this power to certain people, then they will be rich. So happens, Joyce is "using God" to do so. Well, that's how you see it. I don't see it as wrong at all.

I'm not craving for wealth as I do not sense that in Joyce sermons. In fact, I've been struggling finacially. And guess what? I tithe to my own church! I don't bother donating to Joyce because there will be others who can and will do it.

Our debate will go on and on...but as you can see, there are endless amounts of issues to debate about. I already used Solomon as an example. Just imagine if I start bringing out more "flaws" in the bible.(which are not flaws, just to clarify)


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa

perhaps it is a bold claim...i cant help that, but it is also a true claim.

i am tired of arguing this point. believe what you wish, you're going to anyways. nothing i say will make any difference. anything i say you will find something in it to argue about. or something to support your theories. i know what i know. you really need to understand the bible as a whole not pick and choose this bit or that bit that justifies your beliefs and take them out of context. i am not here to judge joyce. but i can say if she believes she is saved she has a long walk ahead of her before she walks the walk of a true child of GOD. at this point in time her actions and words show me she is just using GOD to get rich. when she begins to treat people like mother theresa treated them...then i will know that she walks with GOD. what is all the riches in the world if you have not love or compassion on your fellow man. and i don't mean putting on a mask of compassion so others will tithe to your ministry. i mean losing sleep over the suffering of others compassion. i mean living to ease the suffering of others compassion. love like that is GODly love. joyce is not david or solomon or abraham...she is joyce and GOD will judge her for her thoughts words and deeds...not on what david, solomon or abraham did, thought or said.


Nicole 4 years ago

I think it saddens God when His people bicker back and forth with judgement. Bottom line, we need to stop judging and give every minute of our day to Him who is worthy. It doesn't matter where you got your info from. Accurate or not. People are going to say that your judging and your going to say that they are judging you. Just stop the nonsense and focus our minds and our hearts on Jesus! Let Jesus take care of everything! God Bless:)


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whittwrites 4 years ago from the Philly area

When a Christian ministry grow to large like so many have said already the person running the ministry may lose sight of why they are there. They start to serve the ministry not the one who called them there in the first place.


Janet 4 years ago

Good on you for writing a hub that raises some very important points. These tele-evangelists are scammers and it's incredible how far people will go to ignore the facts.

This greedy message of prosperity abundance and success is so far removed from the bible it's laughable, but people have been 'sold' salvation for a long time - they need to justify their own behaviour so they defend hers, it's nothing new and been well researched in the psychology of cults, which is playing out here exactly as expected in the comments.

great hub!


mary 4 years ago

Gods word clearly tells us that Every Servant is worthy of their hire,,,and God Blesses His own,,and doing a work for Jesus he will fill you with abundants.....


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa

a servant of GOD is not greedy. most tele-evangelists, joyce included, use GOD to get rich. its a business for them. and they will answer to HIM for it. nowhere in the bible does GOD tell us that if we serve HIM we will be rich. we are seen thru out the bible that GODs people are a poor and afflicted remnant. remember the prayer...8 Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me:

9 Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the Lord? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain.


P.E. 4 years ago

There are false prophets, teachers, etc. and then, there are those who make mistakes due to the sinful skin we live in. People will be people the ones who judge, will also be JUDGED! This is a revolving truth...They talked, taunted and crucified Jesus Christ, so what about us? mere humans not worthy to be compared to the risen savior..Christ! Education is good but not always the source of Gods revealing, he used an ASS..a donkey to speak, God can use anyone, somethings come by way of revelation which can be unexplainable to humans..(flesh) No one can understand GOD and his plans...Jeremiah 29:11 (you look it up). Opinions are like veins in ones body, to everyone there are MANY!!! So, i love Joyce and praise God for her life and here work in Gods Kingdom. however there are false prophets, teachers, pastors, etc. out there in this crazy world so..trying the spirit by the spirit will be by many, but let us remember that winning souls for the Kingdom of God should be the main focus and while yet there is only one way to God, there are many strategies in getting folk attention in hopes that they would even begin to seek a life with CHRIST! FOLK WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE TRUTH NOR THE WHOLE ANSWER ONLY GOD DOES. We are so HOLY but yet SATAN is still left in our lands to TEST OUR LIVING!


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa

P.E. there is a difference between judging someone and discerning the TRUTH. do we judge when we call some one who steals a thief? no, it is a fact that id you steal you are a thief. we know by the Holy Word how we are to live and behave...so when we see one who claims to follow GOD saying and doing things contrary to GOD, then it is not judging to call them on it. it is a fact. judging is like saying a fat person does nothing but eat. that is an assumption...and a wrong one in many cases.


Sergey A 3 years ago

What's going on?


quest 3 years ago

This is fascinating reading of a fictional story, as you should be aware Joyce Myers & the ministrys financial accounts have been available to the public & to the IRS for the past 5 years minimum. In this time she has been audited as taking a 250k salary, not receiving any of the profits personally from the many books she writes which well and above bring in more than she and her family draw.....If you have 10 people in a family business drawing 100k each which is not hard for any managaement positon christian or otherwise, then you have 1 million a year which will contribute over 30 years a good amount to a family compound...and so to have a compound worth 10 million would not be surprising....nor hard to do. Within 1 year her books bring in far more than this, and the money is spread around the ministry and the world...however look for yourself at the audited books and financial statements supplied....you can find it online....being thrilled for others and giving is a lifestyle and does create more income....


Nea 3 years ago

Joyce Meyer admitted to stealing payrole checks when she worked for an auto dealership in the 1970's. Meyer claims that she "borrowed" the money for her boyfriend at the time. I guess once a thief always a thief.

ALL TV evangelists are monetary villains.


hi 3 years ago

she lies.


Beverly 3 years ago

I'd like to know what charitable causes(s) they expect her to fund when her own charitable causes must take up far more than 10% . I simply do not believe this story PLUS for it to say she profits from her own SINFUL past.... what was sinful about her father molesting her from the age of 5... Just tell me WHAT SIN DID SHE COMMIT THERE. and that is exactly what she draws on to help other abued women. People that spread such gossip without the ability to back it up with proof (I suppose this person has actualy SEEN the $23,000 marble toliet. This disgusts me. This woman has done nothing to have the sefl righteous bigots of the world slandering her name.


marianne 3 years ago

@Nea : You forgot to tell that years later she brought the stolen money back to her former employer!

People change after they've met Christ and learn how to obey Him.

No one is without sin, see:

Psalm 14:3 But all of them are corrupt; no one does right.

Romans 3:12 They have all turned away and are worthless. There isn't one person who does right.

Do you believe you as well received (or have to receive) God's mercy? Then there's no right to judge others, see John 8:1-11.

Jesus Himself did not condemn the woman and in John 8:15 you can read He does't judge anyone.

Are you more than Jesus, who had all the power and right to judge and condemn us? He didn't because he is love and came to rescue us not to condemn, we condemn ourselves if we do not believe in Him, see John 3:18

He who believes in him is not judged. He who doesn’t believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.


Anonymous 2 years ago

Yep scam.. reached out to them for help for someone in my family (that didn't know I reached out) in real need and was turned away. They only look good when the cameras are rolling, I now see them for what they really are, leaches, sucking off sympathetic to the poor to support their own lavish lifestyles.


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jcm_blabs 2 years ago from My Bunker in the Midwest Author

I'm sorry to hear that. It doesn't surprise me. That's why giving to these ministries is pointless. Thanks for sharing your comment. May things get better for that family member.


suz 2 years ago

We will all be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment, where each one of us will give an accountability of our lives to God.


V. Smith 13 months ago

I think it is fine. She explained once that the ministry money is not theirs and it were to die or leave, everything would still belong to the church. Yes they have luxury tests, the problem us that in the Bubke God tells us not to be jealous. Sometimes, reading the figures, it us a bit difficult to stop our heart jump, but we must keep God in our heart. He is the only one to judge. My concern us rather one down to earth. The billy Graham family has got millions and millions on their accounts, and sll famous ministers do. I have no problem with this. What ai would ask is respect demonstrated through transparency. So for example to give every quarter a view if their expenses, all the expenses paid by the ministry, from hair dresser to private jets... And to implement a rule like: if they have a lot, to stop asking for more money, just give away until there is nothing left and show us they helped the world with people's tithes. That I think, they owe it to all Beluevers.

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