Kids' Bible Stories: Bible Stories about Kids That I Would Never Let My Children Hear

Kids' Bible Stories: Stories about Kids in the Bible are Not Suitable for Children

I was gifted a book once of Bible stories for kids. The well-meaning gift-givers thought they were doing a nice thing, providing my children with a set of stories meant for them, from a book that the gifters consider (unthinkingly) to be a superior moral guide.

I threw it away before my children saw it. Why? Not because I didn't believe the gift-givers were sincere (although misguided, in my mind), but because I didn't approve of the material. I spent much of my time teaching my children to be peaceful, non-violent beings. Do not hit, do not throw things, do not throw tantrums, do not harm others. Treat all living things well. Unfortunately, the bible has other ideas about what is acceptable.

Adorable childrens' version of the story ignores the obvious - that many babies and children died along with their parents and animals.
Adorable childrens' version of the story ignores the obvious - that many babies and children died along with their parents and animals.
The ark docks on dry land. The bodies of the dead litter the land as the waters recede.
The ark docks on dry land. The bodies of the dead litter the land as the waters recede.
A positive spin is put on the story where Abraham almost murders his beloved son to prove his faith to God, at God's request.
A positive spin is put on the story where Abraham almost murders his beloved son to prove his faith to God, at God's request.

Well-Known Stories that Children Shouldn't Read

This cutesy, child-oriented book started out with the story of Noah's ark and the flood. This is a well-known story that is told over and over at Sunday schools and churches every week and year. Commercially, this ark and flood story is a money-maker, too. There are, for sale, cute little animal playsets with boats so kids can play Noah's ark. You can decorate your nursery with the images of pairs of cute animals peering over the side of an undersized boat.

What is conveniently left out is what happened to the millions of other beings that were not on the ark. What the inhabitants of the ark would likely see when they peered over the edge of their boat would have been lifeless, bloated, floating bodies. Mommies, daddies, pregnant women, children - just like the intended reader of this story, babies and goats, lions, sheep, giraffes, penguins, baby lambs.... THEY ALL DROWNED. They died a horrible, terrifying, torturous death. I will not teach this to my child as if it were fact, let alone somehow GOOD.

This was followed by the story of David and Goliath. By the time I got here, I knew the book was destined for the trash. I remembered this story from my own childhood, the discord that existed between what my parents taught me - do not throw rocks or hit (or kill) - and what God helped David do - slingshot a rock and then kill a giant. David, a lowly peasant boy, armed only with a slingshot and his faith in his God, defeats Goliath, a nine-foot giant that inspired fear in every soldier he encountered. David takes the giant down by delivering one well placed slingshotted rock to the giant's forehead. But, it wasn't good enough to teach the giant a lesson. David then uses the giant's own sword to kill him.

Ah no, my preschool-aged children did not need to be taught that killing is the will of a being they are supposed to love and revere and who supposedly loves all his creatures. To me, it would be bad enough to read these stories to your kids as fiction, but as FACT, OH NO, not in my house.

And let's not forget the story of Abraham and Isaac. Abraham, on orders from his loving God, prepares to sacrifice his child. He binds him and has the knife to his throat, fully intending to carry out this gruesome and horrific act, when an angel intervenes just in time and stops him.

Let's visualize....A father is HOLDING A KNIFE to the neck of his child! People read this story to their children, REALLY? Not in my house.

Instead of focusing on how sick and sadistic it is to test someone's faith by requiring the blood sacrifice of his own child, whom he loved and cherished and waited years to be 'blessed with'!!, we are supposed to take away a message that if you trust and have blind, unquestioning faith in the lord, you will be rewarded or provided for, or some such nonsense.

It seems that a ram was a suitable substitute. God still required a blood sacrifice, it just didn't need to be Isaac. Whew - good save. Great story.

******But, did you know that there is an actual HUMAN SACRIFICE of a child made to the Lord in the bible? Were you aware that being savagely, brutally TORN APART BY BEARS (sent by God) is a suitable punishment for little children who mock a bald man? How about the fact that there are many instances where God ORDERS THE MURDER OF BABIES AND CHILDREN? In one instance, he even sends Moses back to finish the job because his army left some of the little boys alive. Did you ever hear about that in Sunday school?*****

HUMAN SACRIFICE - JEPHTHAH'S DAUGHTER (Judges 11)

Jephthah makes a deal with God, which God seemingly accepts. Jephthah, after praying for guidance about a particular war, agrees to make a burnt sacrifice to God if he is successful in his military campaign. He tells God that he will sacrifice whatever creature greets him first at his house upon returning from a battle with the Ammonites, if only God would make sure he was able to defeat the enemy.

God "delivered" the Ammonites and granted Jephthah victory. Jephthah returned home to see his precious, innocent young daughter run from the house to greet him. Devastated, he explained to her about his deal and that she had to be offered to the Lord as a burnt offering. After being granted her last wish of wandering in the wilderness for a couple months, she returned to her father who dutifully stabbed and then burnt his own daughter to death to keep his end of the bargain with God. Nice, eh?

How do you explain this to your children? That someone would murder their own child to keep a deal with God. If kids can't trust their own parents, who can they trust? God - nope, he's the one accepting the sacrifice. How horribly confusing this would be to children if this story were told in it's sickening entirety to small kids.

ELISHA AND THE BEARS ( II Kings, 2)

Elisha was a prophet of God, and an underling to the great prophet Elija. When Elisha became a full-fledged prophet in his own right, he was irked when some children mock him and didn't believe he was a real prophet. They taunt him and call him insulting names, making fun of his baldness.

He curses them in the Lord's name, of course. The next thing we know, all 42 children are being attacked in a bloody, vicious mauling and being ripped open by two bears.

Let's reiterate: children were violently murdered for making fun of a man's bald head.

Can we really not find a BETTER way to parent than all-out terrifying our children into compliance. Could not a "loving god" as he's called by his followers, find a better way to teach the children a lesson than having them violently disemboweled? REALLY?

I absolutely teach my children not to tease, taunt or bully anyone. But, I do not think that being torn to shreds by bears is fitting for the 'crime'. Imprinting stories like this in children's brains in the hopes of teaching a lesson or imparting a warning is at least bordering on being emotionally abusive, I think.

GOD ORDERS, APPROVES OF AND ENCOURAGES THE KILLING OF CHILDREN

The more I read, the more I realize that this book, the Bible should be locked up, away from children. There is no other book so full of rape, petty jealousy, hatred, genocide, destruction, violence and murder that I would leave within the reach of my children. Why would this one be an exception? But the religious advocate for this God to be put back in our schools and to be part of our daily lives? I've just gotten a renewed sense of urgency to fight this. Keep this away from my children.

On the topic of God killing babies and children, I will let the "good book" speak for itself.

"Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children." (Isaiah 13:15-18)

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7)

All who curse their mother or father must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:)

...and in Numbers, Chapter 31, we join up with Moses after the slaughter of the Midianites. In verse 7 we are reminded that the battle of Midian and the slaughter of the males was as the Lord commanded. It seems that all the men were killed initially. The women and children were spared, but Moses, still an agent of the Lord, clarifies his order telling the soldiers to go back and "kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him." "But all the women children that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." (Numbers 31:17-18)

With you I smash man and woman; with you I smash the old man and the boy; with you I smash the young man and the girl...". (Jeremiah 51: 22)

"The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords." (Hosea 13:16)

...and it goes on...


As I was writing this, I realized that there is enough material here to write a book. But, alas, someone already did so with some of the stories...and it's illu

AND THERE ARE OTHER STORIES THAT I DON'T WANT MY CHILDREN TO HEAR

I also think the drowning of 2000 pigs by Jesus in the New Testament is a cruel story for kids. (Matthew 8, Luke 8 and Mark 5). How uncaring to remove evil spririts from men, place them in pigs and then send the poor pigs to their deaths by drowning. And this is in the "kinder, gentler" new testatment. I'm not sure the pig farmers whose livelihoods depended on those pigs thought so. And it's just needless, pointless destruction of animals. I do not want my kids to think that's ok.

While we are on the subject of the New Testament, the story of Jesus having a little temper tantrum and cursing a fig tree is odd, to say the least. Jesus was angry with the tree and caused it to wither because it had not produced figs out of season when he was in the mood for a fig. Temper tantrums, when you don't get what you want or expect it unreasonably should not be glorified as an acceptable course of action by the 'perfect' human/god. At least, I will teach my children better than that.

There are too many others to go on...the destruction of cities including all the children, Lot and his daughters, the cannabalism by a mother of her son after a famine inflicted by God, ...



The Brick Testament: Stories from the Book of Genesis
The Brick Testament: Stories from the Book of Genesis

The Bible stories depicted in Legos (I kid you not). It doesn't hold back much of the violence/blood, etc so it's not really for kids, but neither is the Bible.

 
The Oxford Study Bible: Revised English Bible with the Apocrypha
The Oxford Study Bible: Revised English Bible with the Apocrypha

Because everyone should READ the bible for themselves instead of regurgitating these stories as they have been told to them, and so on, and so on...

 

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gobangla 5 years ago

A lot of religious people won't allow their kids to watch even PG movies, but they have no problem exposing their kids to the R rated and sometimes X rated Bible. I think people have this idea that the Bible is good, so they don't really think about how horrifying it actually is.


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TahoeDoc 5 years ago from Lake Tahoe, California Author

Hmmph. Even google finds this content offensive enough that I can't have ads on it. I didn't make any of it up, though. It's in the bible. Isn't that a 'sign' that it's not suitable for children?

It's too offensive for google and hubpages for me just to tell people that this is in the bible, but people send their kids to Sunday school and church, SPECIFICALLY to be taught these lessons?? Wow!

So be it. I won't make any money from this one, just consider it a public service announcement and a warning to parents.


gobangla 5 years ago

I don't see any reason for an ad ban. Especially since you didn't even mention the story of Lot and his two daughters.


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TahoeDoc 5 years ago from Lake Tahoe, California Author

I know, right? How sad is it that there were so many to choose from that some really "good" (representative) ones had to be omitted?


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Slave2No1 5 years ago from Oneida, NY

The bible is a collection of stories & fairy tales, many of which were passed down over the ages verbally by memory. (No super-beings were ever involved, just super imaginations.) When finally committed to text, all of it was edited, re-written & arranged by humans some 400 years AD. Since then, it's gone through many translations from one language into another, creating errors in meanings from the original, yet it still retains direct quotes (red print?) as if someone was right there taking down every word spoken. It's so full of errors & ancient misconceptions that anyone who even takes it for a history book is a fool & a sheep-brained moron. Lest we forget that actual history facts include Alexander the Great's military genius, along with his ego-ladened & mis-guided idea that he had conquered all the known world. In reality, he only put about 3.5% of the world's total land area under his short-lived rule. That's less than a puny 1 to 28. In perspective, it would be a 5' David standing up to a 140' tall Goliath, (not a mire 9'). The idea of wiping out over 99% of the world's population of humans & animals makes 'god' the absolute worst mass-murderer EVER, surpassing every known mass-extinction in all of Earth's history. Implying that everyone after the 'flood' is decended from Noah, his wife & 3 son's children is totally ridiculous. Creating a viable DNA population from 3 inter-related sources, is as stupid to believe as from the singular-source, off-spring of Adam & Eve. In either case, it would result in a dead-end bunch of mental imbiciles &/or physically disabled human lumps, devoid of the ability to continue human pro-creation.


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Slave2No1 5 years ago from Oneida, NY

Any 'faith' in ancient (or modern) religious books is a brain-wash on par with the likes of Hitler who is known to have said: "Give me a child under 5 and I'll make them into anything I want them to be."


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Joyus Crynoid 5 years ago from Eden

A few years back some of my well-meaning relatives gave us a book, intended for our young daughter, entitled "What really happened to the dinosaurs". Looking through it I was amazed to discover that the dinosaurs all died in Noah's flood, and that before the flood people and dinosaurs co-existed. Like you I tossed the book where it belongs, in the trash.

I like Julian Jaynes's theory that the bible was written by people who obeyed hallucinated voices, similar to the hallucinations of modern day schizophrenics. That 'bicameral mentality' was the norm until about 3000 years ago. Unfortunately the cults that grew up around it are still alive and well, perpetuating the insanity.

Thanks for telling it like it is.


Diana Hullenbaugh 5 years ago

I only read the Noah's ark story and I believe if you read the bible all the people that drown had a choice to get on the ark and they chose not to do so.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

OH NO!

"everyone after the 'flood' is decended from Noah, his wife & 3 son's children is totally ridiculous. Creating a viable DNA population from 3 inter-related sources, is as stupid to believe as from the singular-source, off-spring of Adam & Eve. In either case, it would result in a dead-end bunch of mental imbiciles &/or physically disabled human lumps, devoid of the ability to continue human pro-creation."

THIS IS APPARENTLY WHAT HAS HAPPENED!

As for Diana Hullenbaugh - No, they did not have a choice, go back and read it again! If they had had a choice, the ark wouldn't have been built so small. What idiot would believe such a story anyway?

In fact, what idiot would believe that God killed himself (as Jesus) in order to save his "creations" when all he ever had to do in the first place was accept their apology? Go take a bath in the blood of Jesus, maybe you'll smell better.


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getitrite 5 years ago

As a child, my parents gave us a book titled "Beautiful Bible Stories for Children"

My favorite story was Samson. There were graphic pictures of Samson killing a Philistine--and a lion. What sick images for a six year old. But at the time it was my favorite. I read it over and over, and the iconic pictures were amazing.

There was so much war and murder, just in the first few pages that, even at that young age, I was very disturbed at "reality"


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA

Good Morning, Doc!

My kids had a Children's Bible Story Book when they were little. I never read to them from it, but think that my older daughter read it on her own. Now that I think about it, what frightening stories they are! I agree with you. I thought that the stories of the punishing God that were such an integral part of my Catholic school upbringing had long since gone the way of the dinosaur, but I guess not. It is sad!

I have always thought that wars have almost always been fought in the name of God and religion, with one side being termed godless (evil) and the other side being godlike (good). How often do we hear, "God is on our side!"

As for Google, I recently wrote a political article concerning choice, contraception, and basic health care rights of women being targeted by politicians. Google disallowed ads on that, also, because of the subject matter. Go figure!

Keep up the good work! I look forward to reading everything that you write!


Diana Hullenbaugh 5 years ago

Austinstar, I simply stated my opinion and what I believe just as everyone else has And I did it respectfully.I am no more an idiot than you are. Bitterness makes for an ugly person. "Take a bath in the blood of, Jesus I might smell better"? Are you serious? Put your fork down and then maybe you wont be so fat. I apologize I should not have said that. But you have no right to invalidate someones opinion. I did not realize that this wasn't an adult discussion. Now I will take a look at the story of Noah's Ark again in the bible. Apparently I missed something.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Whoa, touched a nerve there!

Actually, if I DID put my fork down I really wouldn't be so fat! You are correct.

Perhaps I am correct also. Perhaps I should have said maybe your comments will smell better.

Why do you think people would choose NOT to get on the mythical ark? Perhaps they were idiots? For that reason alone the invisible one should have drowned them, I guess.

The point is this - the story of the ark is a violent one and should not be considered a valid educational story for children. It should also not be considered a valid educational story for anyone! It's a ridiculous story that brainwashed people accept as fact. If it's your opinion that it's true and believable, then by all means, please express your opinions on the subject any way you see fit. I cannot possibly "invalidate" your opinions in any way. You are free to say whatever you like in this country. This fact was just validated by our supreme court that gave special dispensation to the Westboro Baptist Church. They think it's a sign from God when an IED goes off and kills a soldier. Even better if the soldier is a homosexual. Oh God is thrilled when that happens according to their opinion. Whatever.

Sorry, TD, I digress a lot these days. Senility, I guess.


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TahoeDoc 5 years ago from Lake Tahoe, California Author

Yikes, guess I should read all the way through comments. I knew this subject was controversial, but I don't really know why. These stories are NOT suitable for children, not my children anyway. If these horrible stories were in any other book, parents would be outraged that their kids were exposed to the violence and hatred and awfulness.


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Slave2No1 5 years ago from Oneida, NY

Fact: About 10,000 years ago, at the end of the ice age, all that melting snow & ice had to go somewhere & it DID raise sea levels all over the world, which HAS to be the source for all of the world-wide ancient accounts of "the flood". It makes perfect sense that the primary story came from the middle-east due to the sea rise from the Atlantic pouring into the Mediterranean, which then pushed up through the rift between the Asian & European continents where the city of Istanbul in Turkey is now. This eventually broke through & filled up the area we know today as the Black Sea. (The most humongous waterfall of all time, dwarfing Niagara.) Science discovered that it was once a very low 'Dead Sea' depression in the Earth, w/ a fair-sized lake, around which humans had established villages & other settlements. When the water came down into that huge basin, it MUST have been monumental, inadvertently surprising & drowning thousands of humans & animals. Naturally, the basic story of what happened was embellished & dramatized by each successive story teller over thousands of years. Eight people, (4 men & 4 women) could NOT have built a wooden ship as large as the story implies in the time allotted. (Like the Pyramids, modern man w/ modern tools couldn't do it.) Such a huge boat was still far too small to carry all the animals & supplies needed to survive as well. The entire BS story is as fanciful as the one attached to it, explaining why there are no "Unicorns".... Duhhh! Any sane person knows that Thor isn't responsible for lightning bolts.... Come on all you indoctrinated & brain-washed people... wake up to reality & stop believing such ancient bull-crap can possibly be anywhere near the actual truth. Yes, most ancient tales have a SEED of truth, but beyond that.... Hol-E chitt!!!!!


Diana Hullenbaugh 5 years ago

I apologize if I offended anyone. I have gone into other links that have been posted because I enjoy Cheryl's writings. I did not realize what I was about to read until I read it. I feel that everyone is entitled to their opinions and nobody has a right to invalidate how somebody feels or views something. The worst thing that will happen to me for believing if this is in fact mythical is nothing. And when you call somebody an idiot for having a certain belief that is invalidating their opinion. I would like to say that I completely understand everyone's point of view and to each their own. I was brought up in church and I don't know any other way. Some of you perhaps all of you were not and that is all you know.


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TahoeDoc 5 years ago from Lake Tahoe, California Author

So no more name calling, k? This is exactly why I write this. Everyone I knew growing up was exposed to the bible as if it was 'fact'. So no one really reads it for themselves or stops to think that maybe it's not what they were told it is. Any idea that there is anything negative is met with the assumption that there must be some explanation to make it a positive because the default assumption is that God and the bible must be GOOD.

The problem is that is NOT true. When you read it, really read it, it becomes obvious that it's just a bunch of primitive stories and legends that used fear to control the followers. We have to learn to think and question and reason for ourselves.

No one who was raised with the bible as 'tradition' will put much thought into the stories they are actually teaching their kids. They teach their children the way they were taught. Look at the good parts of the Bible and ignore the fact that it's actually barbaric, violent, hateful of women, homosexuals, 'outsiders', and primitive.

That's why I write, and will continue to write articles like this. People need to see it from a different perspective. There's too much hatred that can be justified if the Bible is allowed to be the 'moral guide' for humanity.


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Slave2No1 5 years ago from Oneida, NY

When such 'indoctrination' of religious beliefs is passed down through succeeding families BY trusted & loved family members, it's hard NOT to keep passing the same BS down again, over & over.... it's been going on for a looooooooong time. I was raised Episcopal & even served as an acolyte (altar-boy), but I was never really INTO it. I did it just to help get rid of the "butterflies" when performing in front of people, because I had some nervous trouble in 'Public Speaking' Class AND I was also in THEATER, PLUS beginning to learn guitar. NO other reason having anything to do with religion, honest. It was a non-speaking part in a play to me, period. When your own parents say THEY believe this or that and expect you to obey the ritualistic rules, etc., they also expect you to follow their lead & do the same w/ your children because their parents did it for them & helped to see to it that your parents did it TO you as well. The day I realized Catholics (in general) were taught to look down on any other form of their own Christian religion, really make me think: "There's something wrong here... If good teachings say to love & respect your fellow man, why do they think they are better than anyone else & that they sit at the top of some hierarchy?"

Their own egotistical attitude will eventually be their downfall & has caused all the strife in that regard for many centuries. They're their own worst enemy, not any deep-red skinned dude they call 'Satan' & pretty much use to blame everything on. Since it seems logical to say that darkness must have always existed & only the creation of light gave it an opposing 'good' side, then the same thing applies to the idea of what evil is; or is that "too deep" for a religious person to fathom? LOL


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

I've said it time and time again. Someone really needs to do a whole rewrite on the bible. It's 3,000 years old! The only reason it became so popular is that is was like magic to be able to read and write and eventually "own" a real book. There wasn't anything else to go by. Communication was so limited then.

Now, even books are going to the obsolete land. Kindle and Kindle like tablets are the future.


Bluedermis 5 years ago

Wait, so there are stories in the Bible that involve VIOLENCE? Oh noes! It can't be! How could a bunch of stories written over seven hundred years have ANYTHING we wouldn't like today! Oh no!

If you are reading the Bible as a history, you're doing it wrong. If you're reading it as pure 'truth', you're doing it wrong. The flood story? The creation stories? Basically trying to prove to the rest of the Israelites in exile that the Babylonian gods weren't as good as Adonai. So yeah, it'll be violent. Were they made for children? No. Just like the Epic of Gilgamesh isn't for children. It's just a bunch of stories that made up the Israeli cultural heritage. Would you give the Iliad or the Oddysey to children? No? Then why would you give the Bible to children?


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TahoeDoc 5 years ago from Lake Tahoe, California Author

Yes, that is EXACTLY my point, why would you?


Bluedermis 5 years ago

There are two types of Christians (primarily) that give the rest of us a bad name.

1. The fundamentalists/"Bible Christians".

2. The nominals.

The fundamentalists believe the Bible is completely the direct word of God. He stretched out His hand and wrote it all Himself. They say that interpretation isn't needed.

Those people are the worst. They are the same the world over. From them, we get such GREAT people as the Spanish Inquisition, Al-Qaeda and (I'm going to annoy some people with this, but oh well) the New Atheists. I'll only go into the Christian ones here.

As my previous post said, the Bible needs to be interpreted. To take the Flood story, for example. Most likely, that one was a relic of the Babylonian exile. Remember the Tower of Babel? Same inspiration. They were trying to convince the Hebrews in Babylonia that Adonai was the REAL source for the stories that they would have heard while there, as well as convincing them that the Babylonian gods were evil.

Interesting fact. You remember the snake in the Garden of Eden? The reason it is a snake is because the snake was a symbol of most of their enemies, from the Pharoah of Egypt to the god of their enemies, Baal.


Bluedermis 5 years ago

Mind you, the Booo of Tobit is fairly harmless.


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Slave2No1 5 years ago from Oneida, NY

Too many people think the bible needs to be interpreted; what it needs is to be disseminated and fixed of all the obvious exaggerations and errors for all those brain-washed, indoctrinated people who think it was written by 'god' and not a compilation of stories by humans. An eon of time may be like our day to a supreme being, (assuming there is one) and that this super-entity took 6 days (or 6 eons) to create the universe, but nothing so superior and powerful needs to rest on the 7th day or eon. In ignorance, ancient humans placed their own limitations on their ideas of what a 'god' is, which is ridiculous. When asked why 'god' wasted 150 million years on dinosaurs, to answer that "Oh, 'god' must've been taking a nap," is moronic, idiotic and just plain stupid. Since when does a supreme being need furniture, like a bed? Oh yeah, I forgot..... apparently, 'god' sleeps on a cloud, and lives in a gated community, populated by all the good people that ever existed. Yeah, right. When it comes to 'god' stopping man from building a tower by magically and instantly making every one think and speak a different language, in order to explain how come there are so many different languages, is nothing more than a child-like immature and convoluted theory-story. The bible is nothing more than a collection of ancient Fairy Tales that became revered over the centuries. To believe that it has anything to do with reality is akin to believing there actually is a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

No gold at the end of a rainbow? Carp! I've been chasing rainbows all my life. Even the double ones?

If you think Bible stories are bad for children, try watching cartoons! Tons of violence and bad manners and icky stuff.

Somebody please put an R or X rating on the Bible and most of the cartoons!


Bluedermis 5 years ago

Wait, I'll just pull out a science book and see what it has to say that is obvious pap and dreck.

Here's a good one. Apparently, it is a Children's First Encyclopedia!

Let's see what it says, eh?

Oh, here's a good one. Did you know that all birds have three claws facing forward, and one facing backward?

Oh wait, what about parrots?

Obviously, we should destroy all books that don't outrightly say that parrots have two claws facing forward, and two facing backwards.

You see what I did there?


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crystolite 5 years ago from Houston TX

Nice hub,thanks for sharing.


Baileybear 5 years ago

Great hub. I have ads banned from one of my hubs about abuse in religious cults. Agree that the bible is full of violence & other unsuitable content for children - murder, cannibalism, rape, incest, brains splattered, foreskins hacked off, animal abuse, etc etc. And I read the bible from cover to cover as a young child - terrifying stuff.


Bluedermis 5 years ago

Having read the common interpretation of Elisha and the bears, I can explain it to you.

The boys? They are in fact the warriors of Bethel. Why Elisha kills them? Being bald was a sign that you were powerless and weak. They are not instead saying that he is physically bald, but that he cannot protect Israel.


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TahoeDoc 5 years ago from Lake Tahoe, California Author

Wow, I thought even serious apologists had given up the warrior interpretation. Even stretching na'ar (the word used in the Hebrew) to mean young-adult male is really pushing it. but some still try. It generally referred to children, but may mean young adult (teenage or 20s) males. Yes, it's better to think it was almost grown people, but since God had already shown his thirst for kiddy blood, we have no reason to think it was grown-ups rather than children - could be either one. Either way, it's horrible.

I also love the argument (which you will come across if you keep looking up apologists' explanations), that it wasn't really Elisha, but the Lord, who sends the bears...as if that makes it better. The whole thing is twisted and the apologists 'explanations' just make it all more twisted.


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TahoeDoc 5 years ago from Lake Tahoe, California Author

And I'm afraid I have a problem with the bible either way

1)Literal interpretation makes God look like a genocidal, hateful, racist, sexist, jealous, immature a$$hole.

2) Metaphorical bible presents the problem of trying to decide which of the gazillion interpretations to accept. Does each person get to decide which parts to take seriously? Or is there some authoritarian body to make the correct interpretation? Which of the hundred sects/divisions of Christianity gets the final word?

There's no way to 'accept' it on either of these premises. Sorry.


Bluedermis 5 years ago

Oh, I just remembered! I forgot to look at Abraham and Isaac.

You know the context of the time, I assume. We've got multiple sources that show child sacrifice as an acceptable method of getting the gods to listen to you. The story is merely trying to tell people that they aren't supposed to sacrifice children or other people.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

TD, I love your explanation of why you don't trust the bible. Can I use it?

Blue - Why in the heck did people need to be told they weren't supposed to sacrifice "children or other people". Were they really that stupid?


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TahoeDoc 5 years ago from Lake Tahoe, California Author

@Blue- the order to sacrifice Isaac came FROM God, to test Abraham's faith, which God should already have been fully aware of. An omniscient God would not have to 'test' anything, he'd already know the outcome of said test before it was administered.

@Austin - absolutely, use whatever you want. I just try to break it down to the basics. :)


Bluedermis 5 years ago

Well, Austinstar, do you remember the story of Troy? Well, according to the myth, Agamemnon's fleet was kept in harbour because of the weather. Infuriated at the delay, he sacrificed his daughter, and the weather cleared.

So yes, they were that stupid.

TahoeDoc, the current reading is that the 'command' wasn't from YHWH, but that Abraham thought that that was the proper way to sacrifice to God.

Remember, at the time, people in the area thought that having sex would cause the rain.


Bluedermis 5 years ago

The other reading of it is that it is a subversion of the way the usual story of the time would be. Guy A has problems. He sacrifices his child to his god. His problems go away.


Bluedermis 5 years ago

Also, when you speak of the story of Noah and the flood, which one do you mean? The one with two of each animal and 370 days in the ark, or the one with 7 pairs of every clean animal and bird and 40 days and nights?


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TahoeDoc 5 years ago from Lake Tahoe, California Author

Whose "current reading" would that be, exactly? I don't doubt that people thought ridiculous things then. People have always and will always create explanations for phenomena that they don't understand. But this is the book that is widely interpreted to be the 'word' of God. Some believe it's literal, some believe it's inspired. This is in THE book from which we are told to derive our morals and laws in this country.

Is the bible from God or not?

If not, is it just a collection of stories? If it is a collection of stories, can we please stop trying to put the 10 commandments on the side of schools and public buildings? Can people please stop trying to force prayer in school based upon what's in that stupid book? Can we regard the whole thing as superstition based on ancient beliefs? If so, then what's so special about it as 'divine'? If it's not divine, can we please put it where it belongs - on a shelf of 'sort-of' useful and 'sort-of' manipulated history stories?


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

"If properly read, the bible is the best evidence for Atheism". (Paraphrased from Isaac Asimov)

I have read the bible, quite properly, and I am now an Atheist.

I have also read other books. They are what they are and none are "divine words from God".

The story of Noah's ark never happened. It would have been impossible in either version you mention. There must have been something "like" that story, but it has been embellished beyond all believability. It was probably a man who lived on a boat and had a lot of pets and a rather severe storm came along that lasted a while and caused flash flooding which killed a few hundred people. It's just the Chinese whispering game all over again.

And I agree, yes they were that stupid and ignorant of how things worked. All the more reason we should not hold the bible or its stories up to modern "laws" or reason.


AKA Winston 5 years ago

TahoeDoc,

A well-written piece. It is too bad the ones who could use these truths most will dismiss them out of hand.

Worse even than the bible is to be reared in an evangelical home. It is difficult to describe what it does to one's ego to be 4-5 years-old, totally confident in inerrancy of your parents' beliefs, and to be sitting alongside them at the revival while the revivist pounds away at how unworthy we are, how eternal hellfire is the reward for making normal, human errors, and how the only possible escape is to fall on your knees and cry out to an invisible super-being (like a really pissed-off Santa, who is also real to your 4-year-old mind) to be saved.

A psychologist told me once that this type of harm could not be undone, that it was permanent. The end result is extreme judgmentalism, as the only way to elevate self to the level of "I'm O.K." is to devalue those around you to "Not O.K.".

When ego and belief are entwined, it is nearly impossible to alter a belief because there is no "self" other than the belief - to change beliefs feels like death of self. To combat this fear, almost any fantasy can be accepted as rationalization to hold onto beliefs.

It is chilling and sad at the same time.


AKA Winston 5 years ago

On the subject of the bible, my brother (who holds a Ph.D. in religion) has told me that when reading in the original languages it is obvious that Genesis is poetry and that the most of the old testament should be classified as moral fables, told to make a point.

Now, when you understand that the old testament is fable, what then happens to the new testament writers like the author of Matthew who relied on old testament "prophecies" to show an alleged connection to Jesus?

Simply put, it makes those connections fictional, too. One of the great lies of Christianity is the claimed fulfillment of prophecy surrounding Jesus.

What no one talks about is the near cold-reading technique used to make this claim, meaning that the new testament books were written a-f-t-e-r the old testament books, so if one found a fabled passage about a birth in Bethlehem, how convenient to have Joseph and Mary wind up in Bethlehem (and by two completely different routes according to the two authors who wrote about the birth fable.)

It would be like giving an assignment to two different fiction writers to come up with a plot line that gets two characters to point A: one author comes up with a census idea, and thus the characters have to travel, while the second author decides to simply start the story with the two characters in a house at point A, and not explain it at all.

Yet these two fictionalized accounts of the birth of Jesus are both accurate and proven true by the propchecy of a book of fables?

I rest my case.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Winston, I think it's not only possible to remake yourself, I think it is imperative! Get rid of false beliefs and you will become much stronger than you think.


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

I, too, got rid of a book of children's Bible stories which was a gift. Again, not because I was against my children reading such books, per se, but because I, too, thought that the content was far too disturbing!


ruffridyer 5 years ago from Dayton, ohio

I am so glad that people who reject the bible are so very {self} rightous and Compassinate and open minded towards others who beliefs are different.

It is obvious from these comments that ONLY bible believers are judgemental

I was not raised in a christian home. My parents didn't attend any church, read any bible stories to my brothers and sister. Not children's stories or from the bible itself. Nor did we have prayers before meals or at bedtime.

My parents were good people who taught by example to be kind to others, work for your keep and not be critical of others beliefs.

I was 19 when I started dating a girl of the Mormon faith. I didn't know or care about her religion, she wasn't active at the time. After we feel in love and got married the missionaries started coming by, we took the lesson's and I became a member.

We were married 31 yrs before she died, I am still a member of the mormon faith. I believe the story of Adam and Eve, Noah and the Ark and most important the life, mission and truth concerning Jesus of Nazareth.


ruffridyer 5 years ago from Dayton, ohio

I am surprised the story of Jephthah's Daughter was included in a story for little kids. I wrote a hub on this very topic explaining my opinion that God never asked for nor accepted the sacrifice.

The rains lasted 40 days, then the waters remained on the earth over a year. The bodies of the slain would have been devioured and decayed away by the time the Ark rested on mount Arafat.

Goliath was an Evil man. Slaying him was an act of justice and a matter of survival for the children of isreal. Should we not have hunted down and slain Bin Ladin?


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Paladin_ 4 years ago from Michigan, USA

A very excellent hub, TahoeDoc! I'm glad someone is willing to take a stand against such vileness in raising their kids. Of course, they will (and should) eventually be exposed to it, but hopefully at an age where they are equipped to handle it. My kudos to you!

Incidentally, in response to the previous comment regarding Jephthah's daughter: God most definitely accepted the sacrifice. Jephthah and his daughter agreed to a two-month waiting period wherein she would "bewail" her virginity.

"And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed."

According to Judges chapter 11, the "daughters of Israel" made it a custom thereafter to spend four days each year lamenting her sacrifice.


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TahoeDoc 4 years ago from Lake Tahoe, California Author

Thank you Paladin! I appreciate your reading and your comment. The irony of such a vile book being held up as the pillar for morality continues to baffle me.


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Trish_M 4 years ago from The English Midlands

Hi :)

Yes, that's the thing that really baffles me too.


John 4 years ago

How ridiculous can you get? You all say these are fairy tales? May God have mercy on you. Do you forget that all of the people in the great flood were evil sinners? They spat on the word just as you do? I cannot and will not judge you for this. But I know someone who can. God is merciful and loving. But like any father it would be unwise to disobey Him. David and Goliath? It is a great story filled with moral values. To think that people of this age would twist it hurts me. It is up to the parents not only to guide them through the ways of Jesus and God... But to teach him the ins and outs of said story and ones of its likeness. Goliath was an evil person who rebuked God and used his size and strength to inflict terror. This does NOT mean WE can kill a person for bullying. I mean CoMe On PeOpLe. Do not so easily discard these stories for your lack of understanding. Instead, ask someone who does understand.


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TahoeDoc 4 years ago from Lake Tahoe, California Author

John- Sorry this disturbed you and I wish you peace. But, the stories were not made up by me. They are in the Bible. I seriously doubt that the babies, unborn babies, cows, sheep, lions, tigers and bears were all evil sinners.

I will guide my children, but am doing it without teaching them to resort to violence. So far, so good.

I think we both 'understand' these stories. We just see them from different points of view.

Thank you for your comment.


John 4 years ago

You are mistaken. I am not disturbed. I am simply scared for you. I will pray for you. And no the unborn and cows and sheep were not sinners per se. But they were coming into a world as such, which God knew would only lead to more unholy things. I am sorry. You say you understand, but it seems you are much further off than you think.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

John, you follow a "God" that prefers to kill his own creations and justify it because he judges them to be "sinners". He is judge, jury, and executioner - the biggest bully of all time. Enjoy your dirty knees.


John 4 years ago

LoL... Wow. I follow the only God. I will pray for you though.


AKA Winston 4 years ago

I believe the story of Adam and Eve, Noah and the Ark and most important the life, mission and truth concerning Jesus of Nazareth - in other words, I'm an idiot.

There, FIFY.


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Trish_M 4 years ago from The English Midlands

Hi :)

I can appreciate that those who believe that the Bible is the very word of God would find this worrying, but I ask: would a loving creator father God really treat his 'children' like this? ~ I don't think so.


John 4 years ago

You all seem very dilusional.


annie 4 years ago

I'm with you john. Maybe if children were read these stories society would have a more promising future. We have taken god out of everything and our children are paying for it. When the bible was taught in schools how often did you hear of mass shootings or gay marriage even being an issue?


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Trish_M 4 years ago from The English Midlands

How can anyone compare gay marriage with mass shootings!?


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Apparently the delusional people can. They also still think owning slaves is OK.


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TahoeDoc 4 years ago from Lake Tahoe, California Author

What Trish said.

AND...The ones who had God in school are the ones who raised the mass shooters and had gay children, aren't they?

AND...The most peaceful, happiest societies are the ones with the least religion. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/our-humanity-n...

I can parent without having to explain why god would drown pregnant women and babies, and would require or accept blood sacrifice. I don't have to terrify my children with fear of hell into obedience. I don't rely on outside reward and punishment to take the responsibility off of me as a parent. That is my job.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Perhaps they can pray away the gay and stop mass shootings by begging and pleading with their one true "god". How's that going for you all?


AKA Winston 4 years ago

(When the bible was taught in schools how often did you hear of mass shootings or gay marriage even being an issue?)

I concede the correlation between Victorian societal mores and reduced information about mass shootings and gay marriage.

I also acknowledge that when the bible was being read in classrooms, the world experienced WWI, The Great Depression, WWII, The Holocaust, the Hiroshima and Nagasaki atom bombs, the Korean War, the rise of the Ku Klux Klan in the south, segregation, as well as Joseph Mcarthy's communist witch hunts and the rise of the Military Industrial Complex.

Now, I can't say there is any causal relationship among any of these things - but we, as humans, are humdingers at making up our own causal relationships (although wrong most of the time).

First step to wisdom is to acknowledge areas of stupidity within oneself and attempt to deflect its influence.


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Paladin_ 4 years ago from Michigan, USA

Perhaps the reason we didn't hear so much about "school shootings" back when the Bible was in schools is because, by the time kids were old enough to handle guns, they were working 12-hour days next to their parents in some f***ing factory. Good old days my *ss.


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Angela Brummer 4 years ago from Lincoln, Nebraska

Definitely the editing department missed something before offing the stories to a younger audience. Sounds R rated!


Tessa 4 years ago

Wow! Anyone who thinks the bible is a "Fairy tale" is sorely mistaken. I'm thirteen, and since my parents have not sheltered me from this information, I understand that man has a choice, and it started in the garden. If you teach your children god is not a merciful god, by "Protecting" them from history, then you will be punished, and your children will inherit lies, and be misled in life.

And about all the violence occurring during bible readings during school. Look at our surroundings today, in 1963 evolution was taught in school. Ever since then S.T.D's have increased as well as: crime, death, teen pregnancies, and all sorts of stuff. And as long as your talking about humans, there will always be war, I mean look at were we are today.


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TahoeDoc 4 years ago from Lake Tahoe, California Author

Tessa- You are 13 and I will not debate with minors. There are so, so many things that can be addressed in your well-rehearsed and repeated lines, but this isn't the place for you. Some of the adults on this board are ruthless (on both sides of the debate), so you might not want to hang around here. Just trying to save you from aggravation.

Just one question- if your parents lived in, and you were born in, Iraq, would you say the same things? Unlikely.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Tessa, do you really believe teen pregnancies and STD's weren't a problem before 1963?

And why should people be "punished" for just being born "in sin"?

The stories of the bible are delusional and should not be taught to anyone, especially children!


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Sheri Faye 3 years ago from Chemainus. BC, Canada

TahoeDoc this is very very well done and I couldn't agree more.I was brought up Catholic and these stories terrified me....right out of the church as a matter of fact. I don't believe the bible at all, but I do believe in love and peace. Thanks for this!


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jstfishinman 3 years ago from Bakersfield,Ca.

While I disagree with you about the Bible, I also realize that as a parent there are tough decisions to make.

Your hub was well thought out and well written, and I admit a different take than I have. My personal belief is that we have protected our children so much that the consequences of life become abstract. We have children that do evil things. There are consequences.

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