LUCIFER: The spirit of Antichrist!

Is Lucifer the Devil?

Let me start out by saying I am a born-again believer. I was raised in the traditional Christian church. Whether it is because of my own "dump all evil in the same box" mentality or whether this subject was never really taught and covered in the church, I have believed that Lucifer, because he was cast out of heaven, was the Devil named Satan.

I spent an entire day reading every verse about Lucifer and also those regarding the Dragon, the Serpent, the Devil, Satan, and the god of this world. Lucifer's name is only found once in very few versions of the Bible and he is called "star of the morning (helel), son of the dawn" in the original text. The results of my study were startling in that it appears most evident that Lucifer is the "angel of light", the spirit of antichrist that is now in the world, and the coming Antichrist, who attempts to mimic the real "bright and morning star" (Jesus)!

THE FIRST BEAST (Rev 13) compare to LEVIATHAN (Job 41)
THE FIRST BEAST (Rev 13) compare to LEVIATHAN (Job 41)

Who or What is the Devil?

Before we get to the startling scriptures, let’s first talk about who the Devil is. We clearly see him identified in Revelation 12:7-9 states, “And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. And the dragon and his angels waged war, and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.”

Next, I did a study on the word “dragon”. We see in Revelation 13:1 the angel of the Lord stood on the sand of the seashore. And John “saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names.” First of all, this isn't a literal "sea". In Chapter 17:15 this sea is described as the peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues.

We see the fate of the antichrist and false prophet in Revelation 19:20 into the Lake of Fire. However, we also see the fate of the dragon (aka Satan) being bound for a thousand years at the same time. Ultimately, the dragon’s final destination is shown to be the Lake of Fire also, where the Antichrist and false prophet are in Revelation 20:10...a thousand years later.

Let’s now go to Isaiah 27:1, which states, “In that day, the LORD will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, With His fierce and great and mighty sword, Even Leviathan the twisted serpent; And He will kill the dragon who lives in the sea.” We know the beast of the sea has seven heads. Psalm 74:14 states, “Thou didst crush the heads of Leviathan”. For a pretty graphic description of Leviathan, read Job 41! The study of Leviathan was fascinating!

Speaking of "crushing heads", what was the curse on the "Serpent" in Genesis 3:15? "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel."

For more on the purpose of the Devil, I invite you to read my hubs Satan's PURPOSE and The Battle for your SOUL.

LUCIFER (Heylel): the Antichrist
LUCIFER (Heylel): the Antichrist

Who is Lucifer?

Rather than focus on who the Devil is, let’s now turn to Lucifer. First, we must look at the definition of the name Lucifer (a proper Latin name inserted into the original text by the Catholics). It is really the Hebrew word helel (hay-lale’); the morning star. The only scripture that names Lucifer is Isaiah 14:12: “How you have fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the dawn!” The proper translation states, “How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn!” We know that “star” in the Bible sometimes means “angel”. So we can confidently say that 'Lucifer' is an angel. On the other hand, we also know Jesus is called "bright and morning star", but He is God (see hub Who Do You Say That I AM?).

Because it appears helel (aka 'Lucifer') might actually be the spirit of antichrist, I started studying! 2 Th 2:7 states that “the mystery of lawlessness is already at work”, and seems to align with 1 John 4:3 which states “this is the spirit of antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.” Here we see "lawlessness" and "antichrist" aligned.

Well, if we read from the beginning of Isaiah 14, we will see that the words and characteristics spoken to the “star of the morning, son of the dawn”, are indeed being spoken to THE KING OF BABYLON (verse 3). Did you know that the Great Harlot that rides the Dragon beast is representative of the City of Babylon?

What are the characteristics spoken of about the King of Babylon in Isaiah 14?

Vs. 6 states he subdued the nations in anger with unrestrained persecution.

Vs. 13 states he will raise his throne above the stars (angels) of God.

Vs. 14 states he will make himself like the Most High.

Now, let’s look at some of the consistent characteristics of the Antichrist in three other books of the Bible:

Daniel Chapter 11

Vs. 3 states a mighty king will arise, and he will rule with great authority and do as he pleases (lawlessness).

Vs. 16 states he has destruction in his hand.

Vs. 33 states he will persecute the saints; they will fall by the sword and by flame, by captivity and by plunder.

Vs. 36 states he will exalt and magnify himself above every god, and will speak monstrous things against the God of gods.

2 Thessalonians 2

Vs. 3 states that he is a man of lawlessness, the son of destruction.

Vs. 4 states he opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

Revelation 13

Vs. 2 states the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority.

Vs. 5-6 state he has a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies against God, His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.

Vs. 7 states he will make war with the saints and overcome them.

Vs. 12 states the false prophet will make the earth and those who dwell in it worship him.

King of the Abyss: The Antichrist
King of the Abyss: The Antichrist

Abaddon/Apollyon = 2nd Beast (Antichrist)

Now that we’ve seen these passages in Isaiah, Daniel, 2 Thessalonians and Revelation are talking about the same person (the Antichrist), let’s look at just three more characteristics listed in these passages that would lead to the possible conclusion that the angel of the abyss [bottomless pit] of Hades, Abaddon (Hebrew)/Apollyon (Greek) is the second beast, the Antichrist as foretold. THIS IS HIS BIBLICAL NAME.

Revelation 17:8 states “the beast that you saw was and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and to go to destruction.” This beast is clarified in verse 11, it states "And the beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth (king) and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction." So, we know this beast is the second beast, not the dragon.

HERE'S THE BIGGIE: These two verses, Revelation 17:8 and 11 use the word "perdition" in the KJV! What does PERDITION mean? It is from the Greek word #684 apoleia (ap-o'-li-a) [do you see the root of the Greek name Apollyon?], which means ruin or loss; damnable, destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste.

Did you know the Antichrist is also called the "son of perdition"?

2 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV) "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;".

Compare to the (NAS) "Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,"

Isaiah 14:15 states helel (the star of the morning) is thrust down to Sheol (which is the same as the Greek word Hades), to the recesses of the pit. Now earlier, we saw that the dragon and his angels were thrown down to the earth. Well, we know helel is an angel and that the second beast is given power by the first beast, the dragon (Satan).

Abaddon/Apollyon is defined as “the destroyer”. He is the king of the abyss of Hades, a destroying ANGEL. We could then also say, he is the "angel or 'son' of perdition". Contrary to the "sons of God" that procreated with human women, the Antichrist has no desire for women (Daniel 11:37). Some think this means he will be a homosexual or asexual, but if you read my hub Islam and Revelation, your eyes will be opened to what this means! I believe 'Lucifer' (the Antichrist) is indeed the angel of destruction, Abaddon/Appolyon in the flesh!

Lucifer/Abaddon/Apollyon in the flesh? Well Isaiah 14:16 states that 'Lucifer' (aka king of Babylon, the City called the Great Whore in Rev 17:5) is a MAN who made the earth tremble, shook kingdoms, made the world like a wilderness and overthrew its cities. The word MAN here is from the Hebrew word #376: iysh (eesh); a great man; a champion; a mighty man (a person) from 582, which is a mortal man. We read in Revelation 11:7 that "the beast that comes up out of the abyss [bottomless pit] will make war with them and overcome them." This is speaking of the two witnesses, who are killed by the Antichrist! Therefore, helel is an angel of Satan, the dragon, but is not Satan (the dragon) himself; the dragon is the beast that comes up out of the "sea" in Revelation 13:1.

If you enjoyed this hub and wish to know more about Lucifer, I invite you to read my hub Is Lucifer the Devil?

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Royal Diadem 7 years ago

The Bible tells us that in Ephesian 6:10-13 KJV

10. Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

11. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

13. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

There is too much evil in the world for me not to believe that there ain't no devil. We must learn that our warfare is not against people, boy that a hard one, we have to try to look beyond them. Thank you again for another outstanding teaching and I have you feed on my Igoogle so I won't miss any of your teachings.


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi sister! I'm JUST posting the Take Up HIS ARMOR hub right now! Praise God!


Torstein Langesaeter 7 years ago

http://bki.no/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3642#toptar..."forside"

Posted - 06/13/2009 : 11:41:50

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Who is the Antichrist?

Many are studying the Bible trying to find out who the Antichrist will be.

Has the Antichrist arrived ?

The “Beast” or the “beast from abyss” is the Antichrist.

Antichrist is one single person.

“The beast(Antichrist) that you saw , was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast (Antichrist) that was, and is not, and yet is.

9: And here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth

10: And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he comes, he must continue a short space.

11: And the beast (Antichrist) that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes into perdition.

12: And the ten horns which you saw are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.(Antichrist)

13: These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.(Antichrist)" Revelation 17

I think George Walker Bush will fulfill this prophecy.

Written while George Bush was still in office:

“We have had a period in recent history, from 2001 to 2004, when there were six living presidents, five of whom had fallen from office, and the sixth was then - and still IS now - our acting president, President George W. Bush. If he is the one that is, then we are talking up-to-the-minute current events here, and the person who is elected president in 2008 will be number seven, the one who will preside for a little while.

In 2001 these presidents were alive: Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, George H.W. Bush, and Bill Clinton

Who will take the office of president when something happens to number 7? None other than the one Revelation identifies as the Beast, himself. (GEORGE WALKER BUSH )

Clue, Part Three: "The beast, who once was (president),

and now is not, is an EIGHTH KING - GEORGE WALKER BUSH

(he resumes the office of president once again!).

He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction." Rev. 17:11 ”

Antichrist will meet his destruction when Jesus returns.

That will occur after 6000 years. Then the millennium will start.

http://bki.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1814

"And then shall that Wicked (Antichrist) be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming" 2 Thess 2;8

Antichrist will return to power and people will be amazed when they see the beast (George Walker Bush) again gets power.

Obama will only be ruling as US president for a short while.(short space)

"and when he comes, he must continue a short space."

http://www.ezilon.com/articles/articles/7299/1/Mys...

Obama will get problems with his birth-certificate.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=1...

He is born in Kenya.

Daniel 11; 20 tells about this same person that will only be in office a few days and then Antichist- the "vile person" will come.

"Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes (Obama)in the glory of the kingdom: but within FEW DAYS he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle".(birthcertificate)

"And in his estate shall stand up a vile person (Antichrist - George Bush), to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz2lHItA9-s&feature...

The verses in Daniel 11,21 to chapter 12 writes about the Antichrist and everything he will do.

"I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15: Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16: They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms" Isaiah 14

http://www.markswatson.com/bushac.htm

"It is these things that are pillars of the system of those who serve the Devil. The man of sin will not be an atheist he will be a religious person and will have the backing of the religious world, just like our current President does. Remember that the false prophet is the one who causes worship of the Man of Sin (Rev 13). He will wage war with the backing of the religious establishment. He will talk of prosperity, propose to bring it, Just like our current President. He will seek power through violence just like out current President. There are indeed many more parallels between the current President and the coming man of sin than many people like to believe. He has done a great deal to force Israel to divide her land up"

It is important to understand what the “the bottomless pit” or the “abyss” is.

http://www.greatdreams.com/reptlan/abyss-and-beast...

http://endtimepilgrim.org/abyss.htm

The "beast from abyss" is Antichrist. The "Son of Perdition" is another name of Antichrist.

Judas is called “The Son of Perdition”.

Jn.17:12 tells us that no one will be lost, but the son of perdition, who is Judas.

2 Thess. writes about Antichrist - the Son of Perdition.

"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4: Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God" 2 Thess 2;3

http://dreamingofmoshiach.blogspot.com/2008/01/pre...

“What will happen between President Bush second and third visit to Israel that will cause the USA elections to be cancelled? It says in the Zohar HaKadosh that Iran will bomb the USA and in response, the USA will make international wars against all the Arab countries that opposes her.

"In total, President Gog Bush will visit Israel 3 times. But between his second and third visit, something* will occur that will cause the USA elections to be cancelled and President Bush will remain the president.”

(It is interesting to note that the name Bush read in reverse is Shuv - RETURN.)

The second seal will soon be opened when Iran bombs the US.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp1gDZSwSpM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhucwFWK4Sc

Ahmadinejad will fulfill the prophecy written about in the second seal.

The first seal was opened 911.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMdLvQCEmog&feature...

Revelation 9;11

" And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. "

Antichrist is called the “King of Babylon”. He is the chief of this superpower.

The “Mystery Babylon” in Revelation 18 :

"Babylon is a definite, geographical place: As the home country of antichrist, Babylon is a finite geographical location. For although the name "Babylon" as used in this prophetic context is, as we have seen, symbolic (i.e., mystery Babylon is the name of the future empire"

http://www.ichthys.com/Tribulation_Part_3B.htm

When you understand who the King of Babylon is,you will understand that he is the leader of this country - United States of America.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=03F922754A...

BABYLON THE NATION

The bibical signs of "modern Babylon" or Mystery Babylon in Revelation can not be mistaken.

Here are some of them.

http://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/biblestudies/Def...

Babylon would be the youngest and greatest of the end time nations (Jeremiah 50:12).

Babylon would be the Queen among the nations (Isaiah 47:5,7; Revelation 18:7).


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Torstein, it's interesting reading what different things are aligning to prophecy. All we can do is pray, pay attention, and ask the Lord for confirmation, as He will reveal this "son of perdition"; we know that for a fact. Amen!


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

In response to Torstein, there is much speculation out there as to where end-time Babylon is and who the Antichrist will be (or is). I'm currently reading a recommended book called "What Is the Antichrist Islam Connection?" by Ronald L. Back. It seems apparent that the Antichrist will rise out of the Old Grecian Empire, and will be either Grecian, Turkish, Egyptian, Lebanese, Syrian, Palestinian, Iraqui, or Iranian. I'm still reading the book, but it indicates the Great Harlot's religion will be Islam and that the Antichrist will later destroy Islam and replace it with a much worse religion, leading up to the battle of Har-Magedon.


peacenhim 7 years ago

Super! Another well informed Hub! I also believe that these are the end times and that "The Antichrist" spirit is at work amongst non-believers in many venues in order to persuade the masses if possible to follow the Angel of light, which is really the "prince of darkness." Books, movies, video games, YouTube, the occult, etc....much spiritual warfare and confusion. It is time to be well informed of who the enemy is, and who we are fighting against. Eph. 6:10

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." 2 Tim. 4:3-4

This is so evident in the New Age movement.


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi peacenhim! For solid truth, while we can get it, I highly recommend viewing a ten-series video on Youtube by an ex-PLO Muslim Terrorist who is now a LIGHT for Jesus Christ, revealing the Antichrist to the world! He is Walid Shoebat (he needs our constant prayer for protection): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW-5VrK3CVI . It takes about two hours, but you will be highly informed!!

Also, I have captured this concept in my hub, "The Unholy Trinity" and one on my Carrie Bradshaw profile called "Response to Islam: The Unholy Trinity". "That wicked shall be revealed" the Lord says (2 Thes 2:3-8), before He comes again!! It is now being revealed, praise God!


set-up-set 6 years ago

Dear Judah's Daughter

I find myself staggered at the breadth and depth of your immensely readable and insightful contributions, and am astonished at how consistently well-researched, intelligent, and to-the-point your posts are. You truly seem to have found your calling, in approaching these topics with a passion, enthusiasm, humility, and willingness to help others that is the hallmark of anyone committed to true and higher learning.

God bless you.


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

set-up-set, What a beautiful compliment! You have truly blessed my heart today. I am encouraged! I so appreciate you coming to read and am thankful this hub was fascinating and interesting ~ it gets more involved in my later hub called "Is Lucifer the Devil?". I surlely love reading God's Word and "seeing" so many things by the Spirit and sharing these things in writing! So good, I just can't keep it to myself! lol ~~ May God bless you!! Thank you again!!


exjwlaurie 6 years ago

Another excellent hub Sister JD! So much 'meat' here to process, and I so appreciate your clearly discernable "anointing" in your teachings! =)


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Praise be to our LORD, Jesus Christ, sister Laurie! I dug in to pan for this 'gold' and it certainly aligns with my other continued studies about Lucifer. We share a passion for the Word and its truth, not the 'doctrines and traditional teachings of men', amen!! Love you so much!!!


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lxxy 6 years ago from Beneath, Between, Beyond

I must say, there's something fascinating about the revelations--and Lucifer in general. I s'pose it's a know thy enemy type of thing.

I've read much about other religions and their "bad guy," and they all seem to be pretty nasty characters.

And to a more finer point--I also own a copy of "The Satanic Bible," by Anton LaVey. But that's more nihilistic philosophy than religious.

Anyway, thanks for this up-close-and-personal with Lou.

And for a lil laugh, you may get a kick out of this comic:

http://www.downtoearthcomic.com/d/20010430.html


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi Ixxy! Quite appropriate cartoon! lol The Bible is a fascinating book. I've enjoyed studying it over the past year and half and have written about a lot of discoveries ~ and blessed to see the consistency in the characters and the message. I'm glad you are a fan, and I hope you get a lot out of what you read here. Be blessed!!


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peterxdunn 6 years ago from manchester uk

Lucifer was the Roman/Latin name for the planet Venus. When the original Hebrew text - that was translated into Greek then mistranslated into English to get Lucifer - was first written down: at a time when Rome would have been a collection of mud huts (IE Latin did not exist as a language), it refered to a Babylonian king called Helal not a supernatural entity.


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

peterxdunn, Helel is not a proper name either. Fallen angels are supernatural entities, just as angels of heaven are. God and Satan are supernatural and not human, yet they control humanity by whatever Spirit/spirit humanity yields to. I recommend you read my hub "Is Everyone Possessed" to see the supernatural realm interacting with the physical, since the beginning of time and until the end.


Francis 6 years ago

Hi there Judah's Daughter. Here are some questions I want you to elaborate on, cos I seem not able to grasp clearly everything in your article. According to your findings:

- Is Satan an angel? And is he a fallen angel?

- You seem to draw a distinction betweem Satan and Lucifer(or as you say Antichrist)to whom you say Satan gives his powers. If I follow well, you mean Satan cannot be the person to whom he gives his powers to at the same time. So how is it possible you say the beast out of the sea is Satan when Revelation 13:2 says Satan(the Dragon) gives all his power, seat and authority to this beast?

- Is it your belief that the king of old Babylon will have to come back, then go into perdition? If so, don't you think it might be conflictual with the idea of reincarnation? For it is appointed for each man to die once and then the judgement?

- I thought you would have pointed out Tolstein as a false prophet for his predictions failed about George Bush. Don't you think instead of expecting a particular man (antichrist), antichrist may simply mean the spirit of lawlessness of people who've given allegiance to the devil?

- What about the King of Tyre? Was he the cherub in Eden? How many people were in Eden? How was he a covering cherub?

Please, throw some more light and God bless you.


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi Francis, and I thoroughly appreciate your mind and your questions, for some of this is covered in my hub “Is Lucifer the Devil?” (click on the blue lettering of this title in the hub)

To answer your first question, the Bible doesn't say Satan was ever an angel, but calls him "the Dragon, the Serpent of Old, the Devil and Satan" (Rev 12:9; 20:2), and states that "he was a murderer from the beginning" (John 8:44). The word for 'serpent' in Gen 3:1 is 'nachash' and means a literal 'snake, from its hiss'. Satan can speak through and use whatever/whomever he wants (even Peter in Mat 16:23 and of course, Judas in John 13:27). Biblically, Satan aligns with the allegory of the multi-headed Dragon that lives in the sea: Leviathan (Ps 74:14; Is 27:1) and the Dragon/beast of Revelation (13:1-3).

Based on the version of the Bible you read, some say “the Dragon stood on the seashore”, watching this multi-headed beast come up out of the sea; some say “I [John] stood on the seashore”, and others say “he [John] stood on the seashore”. To clarify this, look at Rev 12:3-4 and 12:7-8. This clearly shows the dragon comes up out of the 'sea' of peoples, nations, tribes and tongues. While Satan works through the peoples of the world, the Antichrist is exalted and followed by them (except for those people whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life – Rev 13:8 and 17:8).

Reincarnation is not possible when it comes to man. Angels are eternal beings. This is why the angels who sinned in the days of Noah are incarcerated in the deepest abyss of Hades until the judgment day. However, the rest of the fallen angels are busy about their master’s (Satan’s) work. If you look up the word “angel” in the Hebrew or Greek, you will see that ‘kings’ is included in the definition. Quite a shocking thought. This is also in my hub "Is Lucifer the Devil?"

Regarding fallen angels, etc. I have a hub you might be interested in reading:

"The Origin of the Nephilim" http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/The-Origin... Once again, there is a link (blue type) within the hub to another called "Giants After the Flood", and from there a link to one called "Is Everyone Possessed?" (just a catchy title). I don't believe everyone is possessed :-)

The flesh of an angel is a mystery, considering we are told we can entertain angels unaware. That's too deep for me to think, I think.

The Bible says heylel is a MAN (Isa 14:16) and that the number of the beast is the number of a MAN (Rev 13:18). However, I don’t limit God’s Word. What I do know is Satan and the Antichrist are separate entities, for the beast (Antichrist) and his false prophet are cast into the lake a fire a thousand years before Satan is. Islam is expecting their 12th Imam and Isa (their Jesus) to reign for seven years, etc. You can read more about this alignment in my hub “Islam and Revelation” (blue type link in this hub).

The Bible says the king of Tyre was a covering cherub in the Garden of Eden. Gen 3:24 only tells us God placed cherubim (plural) on the east side of the Garden to guard the way to the tree of life.

God bless you, too! The Bible is a fascinating book, and much of this is never covered in church :-)


ChristianSoldier 6 years ago

After I read the article "Jesus is the true Lucifer", I realized that Lucifer from isaiah is infact the anti-Christ. Because both you and the dude that published the other article come from different views on the identity of the anti-christ, and to my surprise, the same result.


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Ah yes, Sanctus! Yes, we do agree on this. I think you're on the right track, realizing that the "star of the morning" mimics the true "Morning Star". I am encouraged that God is giving you understanding ~ eyes to see. Praise God! Blessings to you, CS :-)


ChristianSoldier 6 years ago

But still, if the fallen cherub aka "Lucifer" is the anti-Christ, who is the devil? what is he?


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hello, my friend CS ~~ Please, please read this hub to better answer your question: http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/The-Unholy...

Hope to see you there :-) God bless you!


greg 6 years ago

I must say great research you are right on point but i new research proves something even more everybody please read: and i believe the one of the first seals were broken in world war 2 stated in Luke 21:20 when you see Jerusalum being surrounded with armies you will know its desolation is nigh .. and a person I have labeled the antichrist is jewish and turned on the jewish and worked for Hitler , and theres more Daniel 9:26-the people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the temple .. the meaning that he thy antichrist would come from the Roman Empire which my guy was born he lives lawlessness and is son of destructive he has destroyed 4 countries already and is destroying America now he owns your music , tv , media except Fox news and a Humanatarian of huge contributions majority to politics also fancys himself as a god as he said in his own words not once but he also states quote"God in the Old Testament had certain attributes like invisible ,i was pretty invisble benevolent i was pretty benevolent all seeing i try to be all seeing"unquote his name is ... George Soros


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

One thing's for sure, greg ~ Jesus said there would be many false christs, claiming to be the Christ, in these last days (Mat 24:24). The spirit of Antichrist has been around even in Jesus' day, and its ruler is yet to be revealed. His reign will be only seven years, for after that he and his false prophet will be thrown into the lake of fire, never to come out. I don't think George Soros is deceiving the elect, however, as he is not disguising himself as "Light", but is openly anti-God. That's just my personal opinion. It doesn't mean he isn't a major player in setting up the kingdom of the coming Antichrist.

George Soros was born 1930, so would be 80 years old today. I am researching more about him and did find this one article that may be of some interest to readers: http://www.liveprayer.com/ddarchive3.cfm?id=3657

I invite you to read my hub, “Islam and Revelation” which will surely show you the alignment of the coming Antichrist, comparing Bible prophecy with the eschatology of the Qur’an. No doubt George Soros is funding such groups as CAIR and is a traitor of his own people, born a Jew and having escaped the holocaust. Here is the link to “Islam and Revelation”: http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/The-Unholy...

I also have a hub called “The Last Seven Years”, which points to the period of the final Antichrist beginning in 2010. Have you heard of Dewey Bruton? He’s spent 20 years studying Bible prophecy and presents an outstanding teaching, scrutinized even by Jews. Here’s the link, if you are interested in viewing his teaching: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1bkB1nShSU It will take you approximately two hours to get through the whole series of 12 videos.

May we be good Watchmen in these last days. God bless you.


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Momma Mia 5 years ago from North Carolina

Nicely wriiten!! Happy New year to you!!

as always

wishingUwell

Mia


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ladyjojo 5 years ago

excellent hub and i love how you backed it up with the scriptures. Lucifer is defintely Satan. He's no longer the morning start but a wicked mean man. I don't know why people have this idea that the devil is some scary looking man with horns. He was one of the most goodlooking angels and he still is people would be shock when it's the amargedon showdown when the see who he really is. Hiding behind hideous evil faces.

God bless you for sharing, keep on the right part always


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Thank you, Momma Mia ~ Happy New Year 2011 to you, too!! God bless you!


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi ladyjojo, I appreciate your kind comment, and may I clarify to you what the point of this hub is ~ that Lucifer (heylel) is NOT Satan himself, but rather the Antichrist. They cannot be the same entity, as the Antichrist, with his false prophet, are cast into the Lake of Fire a thousand years before Satan is. Here's the portion of the hub you may have missed, and I encourage you to look up the scripture passages:

"We see the fate of the antichrist and false prophet in Revelation 19:20 into the Lake of Fire. However, we also see the fate of the dragon (aka Satan) being bound for a thousand years at the same time. Ultimately, the dragon’s final destination is shown to be the Lake of Fire also, where the Antichrist and false prophet are in Revelation 20:10...a thousand years later."

Here is another of my hubs that will show you biblical proof that Lucifer cannot be Satan:

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Is-Lucifer...

Blessings to you.


XEE 5 years ago

Antichriest could be anything, Either a Person or a State or even some Cult...


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi XEE ~ thanks for coming by to read and comment! Look at this comparison: There is the 'spirit of Antichrist' and there is the 'little horn' (king) - Dan 7:8, 11 and 20 and Dan 8:9, the Antichrist (a man), as stated in Isaiah 14:16. Those who follow after him will accept the mark of his name or the number of his name. They are following the 'spirit of Antichrist', by the power of Satan ~ for it is Satan who gives him power and authority.

Likewise, we have the spirit of Christ in all Christians, yet there is one king over us, Jesus Christ. We who believe and follow Him have the seal of God on our foreheads (Rev 7:3; 9:4; Eph 4:30). While Lucifer (heylel) is not Satan, but an angel of his, Jesus was God in the flesh and is the image of the invisible God (the Holy Spirit) - John 1:1, 14; 4:24; 14:9; Col 1:15. The Adversary seeks to mimic the Truth, but is not the Truth. These are my thoughts, based on what I understand in the scriptures. People, whether governments (States) or cults, follow after the beast (Antichrist) ~ so, you are on the right track. God bless you.


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lord daniel 5 years ago from MARYLAND

well judah i have spoken with angels before helel is the position lucifer had when he was stilL CLEAN.bUT AFTER HE fell it was given to someone else.HELEL is like a title ok.

Well and the beast is not devil but the devils spirit will be inside the antichrist this wher u read the beast that comes from the bottomless pit,and remember there are two.the antichrist is the son of the devil.


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi lord daniel, I recommend you read my hub "Is Lucifer the Devil?" It may open your understanding a bit more. If you read my hub "Islam and Revelation" the THREE beasts of Revelation are clarified. The Dragon (Satan) comes up out of the sea of peoples. The Antichrist (heylel) comes up from the abyss (bottomless pit) and the false prophet from the earth. Agreed! God bless you.


IncredibleTruth 5 years ago

Your factual approached reasoning resonates with me. Answer this: what do you think of freemasons? While I dont know, bc im not a freemason, ive understood that they may have, as you, a morefactual based understanding of the original meanings of the original iterations of the bible. That is, they have knowledge beyond the interest serving translations. Ive know men of the church who are masons. Ive also seen posts where people say its lucifer worshipping (as opposed to the devil). Opine in depth if you would.


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi IncredibleTruth, Does this hub say anything positive about 'Lucifer' (heylel, aka Abaddon, aka the Antichrist)? That should answer your question. If Masons serve Lucifer (and choose to call him that), they are serving a fallen cherub, a fallen angel that is anti-Christ. Men of the 'church' who are masons are deceived. It's the higher up Masons that know whom they serve. The lowest levels think Lucifer is true 'Light' when only Jesus Christ is the true Light. One cannot serve both God and Baal. Heylel serves Satan and those who serve heylel (aka 'Lucifer') do the same. I hope this is helpful.


Incredible Truth 5 years ago

Thank you for the informed response. Just so you know how the deception is spread amongst the decieved, these pages try to make the issue muddy for people like me who are christians just wanting an informed journey down the path jesus has created for us.

abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread657907/pg1


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Just keep treasuring the "Incredible Truth" found in the true Light of the world, Jesus Christ. The last days are said to be worse than ever before in the history of the world (Mat 24:21) and your faith will tried, even to the death for some (Mat 24:9). Stick close to the Lord Jesus Christ, read His Word, pray and rely on His Holy Spirit to keep you in the shadow of His wings (Ps 17:8).

Those who follow 'Lucifer' have been turned over to the delusion. Look at 2 Thes 2:9-12 "The coming of the lawless one [Lucifer/heylel] will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness."


Lance 4 years ago

The deception is great, so great the elect might even be fooled, but they will not, and for this I give thanks beyond measure to the Lord God the Almighty! There is no one person who is The Antichrist as the false prophets say! There are "many" who are "of the spirit of antichrist", and they are the "sons of disobedience". They promote the liberal humanist's and deist's doctrine that a human has the right to be "independent", that man's duties are limited to man's "interests", that man's developments in the seven liberal arts and sciences can create "innovations" that man can use to direct man's own future without Divine grace! These same human beings, in developing human relations via "social networks", are attempting to perfect man's nature through man's own efforts! In reality, they seek to be able to create their own "rule of law" to do to themselves, and with others of like mind, anything their wicked hearts desire "anytime, anywhere"!


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi Lance, thank you and I admire your passionate response. There is definitely a 'spirit of antichrist' affecting all the 'sons of disobedience', yet I still hold to the scripture predicting the 'son of perdition', meaning the 'angel of destruction' as a single man ~ yet, I could be wrong. Likewise, there have been and will be many false prophets, yet there will be a False Prophet ruling alongside The Antichrist, if what I understand the scriptures to say is correct. You may find my hub "Islam and Revelation" interesting, in that they predict their Imam Mehdi who will be ruling with their Isa (Jesus, whom they believe is a mere prophet) for seven to nine years...

Either way, we know things are prophesied to get much worse than ever before in the history of the Bible, in the days to come. The Day of the LORD is closer than ever before. May we stay awake and alert, and obey the voice of our LORD and Savior, Jesus Christ. Be blessed!!


twoedged 4 years ago

The Dragon is not the Beast. Each are separate entities. The Dragon always fought against Truth. The Dragon did not arise out of the sea. The Dragon is a wonder in heaven and a rebel against God and the Jesus Christ. The Dragon rises up out of those who were called to Truth (angel) but became the enemy of God. The Dragon is a brood of vipers, pharisees and hypocrites. Most cannot hear it but the Israel you see now in the Middle East is antichrist, a lie and a deception. Zionism is (ascends to the mount taking everything by force), it is the Dragon mouth of the false prophet. It has undermined all Christian nations and sees itself as messiah and replacing God. It hates Christians and is a delusion sent upon those who hold the Truth in unrighteousness. Christians have now bound themselves and allowed themselves to be marked as liars and antichrists. They now preach another Jesus and another gospel and except for the elect, have fallen into perdition. For many years now, through gradual degradation of Truth, THEY have allowed this beast from the bottomless pit to arise and will be guilty of their sins. Who hath an ear let him hear. If you truly want to begin to understand you will need to do months of research and I suggest you start with Iamthewitness.com and branch out from there. Most Christians now live in a delusional world that they themselves have created. Most will not wake up! They will wonder after the beast. They will be guilty of working iniquity.

Some very good points about Lucifer. Israel was as an angel that fell and became Lucifer. It was the beginning of of opposition to God and ended in rejection of salvation unto this day. The Jews who became TRUE Christians never looked back. If Jesus could address the early churches by addressing the 'angel of' it is the same for Old Testament Israel who was the 'single' olive tree, but we are branches grafted in and if they return and stop their rebellion can be grafted back in. The only problem now is Christians who call themselves Judeo-Christian which is a lie from hell. No such thing exists and it abominates the truth by trying to lift up antichrist Israel. They are yoked unequally.

God is not going to wait, nor are the son's of God going to wait for 'Christians' to get it. He has sent teacher after teacher but they are rejected and branded them antisemites. God is not going to tarry for those who are not taught of God but are rather taught by the deceptive precepts of MEN. Men of the earth, whose names are written in the earth.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hello, twoedged,

First of all, I took a quick look at the website you put in your comment. I can definitely see anti-Semitism in the post, so I don’t want readers to assume I support that website’s postings. The fact is, we can’t single out a nation or race of people. ANYONE who opposes Christ Jesus is Antichrist. Judas, a Jew, betrayed Him. The religious Jews of His day crucified Him. I agree with Romans 11, that the cultivated olive tree is the True ‘Israel’ (of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob). Not everyone physically descended from Abraham are ‘Abraham’s offspring’ (Rom 9:7). We of the wild olive tree (Gentiles) are grafted into the cultivated olive tree; those of the cultivated tree (Jews, the original chosen ones of God) that REJECTED/REJECT Jesus Christ are cut off, yet if we Gentiles glory in this, we too, can be cut off. REPENTANCE is what it takes to remain on or be grafted in/back into that tree. Faith in Jesus as Savior and LORD is the Only Way.

Regarding the Dragon / ‘beast’, you need to read Revelation 12 to understand the beast that comes up out of the ‘sea’ (peoples) in Rev 13. Rev 12:3-4 state, “Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads. His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth.” Vs. 9 confirms, “The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.” Chapter 13:1 tells us of the 'beast' that comes up out of the sea: “And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.” Does this description of the 'beast' match that of the 'Dragon' in Rev 12:3? Yes.

Speaking of the great delusion of ‘Christian’ churches, my latest hub might be of interest to you: IRON and CLAY: The Harlot of Babylon: http://hubpages.com/politics/IRON-and-CLAY-HARLOT-... The Jews that crucified Jesus were in bed with Rome. The RCC is also in bed with that Iron empire, and she and her ‘daughters’ (Protestants) are yet in bed with the government and intimately embracing THE Antichrist religion. There is a warning given to all those who profess to be God’s people in Jer 51:45 and Rev 18:4, and this trumpet is blowing NOW:

Jer 51:45 “COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! RUN FROM THE FIERCE ANGER OF THE LORD!”

Rev 18:4 “COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE, SO THAT YOU WILL NOT SHARE IN HER SINS, SO THAT YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE ANY OF HER PLAGUES!”

Be blessed.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

twoedged, I did not post your comment, as you are basically saying the same things, anti-Jew and anyone who supports them is anti-Christ. See, here's the END OF THE STORY in

Revelation 1:7:

"BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen."

Revelation 20:7-10:

"When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city [Jerusalem], and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

May I caution you that you appear to be a soldier going out to convince the nations of the world to surround Israel to destroy them. What shall be your end? Fear God. He is Sovereign and in control.


twoedged 4 years ago

http://www.seekgod.ca/hr/hrfaqs4c.htm

As a woman you have placed yourself as a teacher in Israel. Be warned you are now responsible for ignoring Paul's admonishion to women. All those you lead astray you will give an answer for. This is serious business and if God permit you will be shown the dangerous position you are placing yourself in. There are those who bear the sword but not in vain. Thoroughly read the link. Know this, we will rejoice, but they will be in bitterness.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

I suppose you dislike females as much as you do the Jews, twoedged. See, God's judgment is righteous. You bring your own judgment upon yourself by your pride (root) and subsequent ignorance. If you understood Paul's admonition to 'Women', you wouldn't say what you just said.

I'm willing to teach you, but if you don't want to learn from a female, you don't want to learn from the Holy Spirit that teaches through this female. I'm aware of the warning given to teachers, and I am very careful about what I study and teach.

See, the whole issue of 'women' submitting to 'men' is about Christ and the Church = the Husband and the Wife. It's not about gender. I am not a wife to you or anyone else, only God. Even if I were your wife, knowing you have wrongly interpreted God's Word would cause you a great deal of frustration because I first submit to God before anyone else. Consider Abigail and Nabal.

Since we're sharing links, be a gentleman and come by and read: http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Your-Daugh...

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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area

Hey twoedged, did you realize the seekgod.ca website you appear to be gung ho about belongs to someone named Vicky Dillen?

I'm just sayin'.

But yeah, check out the link Judah's Daughter gave you. The subject of women in the ministry is pretty well covered, and I don't see anybody saying anything that leads to me to believe she is not spot on, as usual.


4 years ago

I believe that Lucifer is higher or superior than the Devil/Satan, for He is the Ruler of Hell & All of its beings/demons/fallen angels. He's like a great mixture of power of high angels and the power of pride, hell & darkness. Satan is truly the Evil One, or the Devil but He doesn't have the absolute authority over Hell & all its beings, for Lucifer, the Light-Bearer or the Fallen One is the Absolute Ruler of it, & remember 'Pride' is the Greatest and First of the sins. Lucifer was once the Greatest of the Angels, the angel of music & enlightenment who refused God's orders to bow down to humanity.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi L7 - I appreciate your view, however, in my hub "Is Lucifer the Devil" I go into the various types of angels and how we know, by the description given in Isaiah 14 (compared to Eze 28), 'Lucifer' was a cherub and not an Archangel. Cherubim were primarily used to guard. The whole teaching that he was the 'greatest of the angels' that led mustic in heaven and led the revolt against Michael and his angels is not stated in the Bible, but is a traditional doctrine taught by men. I didn't know this, until I read the Bible for myself and really studied the passages used to support that teaching. The study results are in my hub "Is Lucifer the Devil?". I hope you come by and read that one.

The way I view Lucifer is not that he is greater than Satan, for Satan instigated the war in heaven and took a third of the angels with him, inluding Lucifer. In Isa 14, Lucifer is a great king, the king of Babylon. While, even as the end-time Antichrist (king of Babylon), he is worshiped and followed by all whose names are not written in the Lamb's Book of Life, those who follow him are 'of their father, the Devil'. It is Satan who influences the world, who 'deceives the whole world'. When people are tempted all over the world, even at the same time, it is by the 'spirit of Satan'. We've all been taught that Satan is not omnipresent, but I'm not so sure. Angels are certainly not omnipresent, so if the masses believe Satan is an angel, that's where the assumption lies.

In other words, I see Lucifer as the embodiment of Satan's character, though he is not Satan himself. He was and will be the worst of all antichrists. Lucifer is only one being, while Satan influences and works through masses of 'kingdoms' and 'governments', thus he is depicted as the Dragon with seven heads and ten horns. Lucifer is but a horn on that Dragon, though an incredibly destructive one at that.


Son of God 23 months ago

Hello children of the one true living God, please pray that you will be accounted worthy to escape the hour of temptation that is going to come upon the whole world. And pray that you will also be accounted worthy to stand in the presence of the Son of man.


deanamckelvy@yahoo.com 11 months ago

Judah's Daughter, I love your love & obvious passion for the Word of God...more specifically, the "TRUTH" of the Word of God. That being said, I hope you will have the time & opportunity to check out a teaching I came upon several years ago as I was searching for answers of my own in regards to the identity of "Lucifer" as I too was taught EXACTLY the same as you stated you were. This is a somewhat lengthy study, 8 parts to be exact. You can find it by googling, Cherubims by Roy Richmond. I would very much appreciate your feedback. I value your genuine desire to shine light on the Truth of God's Word.

To sum it up, it says, the Latin word, Lucifer, meaning "Shining One", is not referring to Satan at all. On that you agree. He however says, that it is descriptive of "ADAM". Satan was never a shining angel of light. For he has always been the waster, the destroyer, the prince of darkness, a liar and murderer from his beginning...a dust eater (serpent).

"MAN", however, is the one who has been all the things of which Isaiah 14 & Ezekiel 28 speak. ADAM/LUCIFER, was the resident of Eden, the beautiful one, the prince of God, even the shining cherub among the stones of fire. He was in Eden, the Garden of God, in Paradise, in Heaven, ruling from the Mountain of God. He was among the Stones of fire---shining with the glory of His Creator. Even so, it was in a pale light, for he was only a model of the finished product. But we, see Jesus the "TRUE" SHINING ONE!

In conclusion, Isaiah 14 & Ezekiel 28 speak of two "MEN", the king of Babylon and the king of Tyrus. These two areas of scripture are not referring to Satan, but to specific 'MEN'. In the spiritual sense, each king could be typified as "ADAM"; for he fits all the criteria listed., He was in the height of glory until iniquity was found in him when he said in his heart, "I AM GOD and I WILL ASCEND!"

Judah's Daughter, I see "PRIDE" being the 'common denominator' here, so to speak. Pride coming before a fall. I see a "theme" of "confusion" here....tree of "good & evil" & then there is the tower of Babel (Babylon - confusion) & then one other thing I find very interesting, Tyrus = (Tyre) Hebrew name is "Tsur", which means "rock"...makes me think about Jesus's words, "Upon this rock, I will build my church...", likewise the "false" church AKA, the "great whore", built upon this rock "Tyre".

Anyway, I hope you have the chance to read it & are able to comment on your findings. I believe you will be able to expound upon this teaching vs. exposing for "false teaching".

Anxious to hopefully get your valued "input"!

---Deana


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Judah's Daughter 11 months ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi Deana! Thank you for your support and for sharing about the article you would like me to read. I appreciate the summation. Right now, my subjective thoughts are that angels took on human form throughout Scripture and though Jesus is called "Lucifer" (if we were to translate morning star or star of the morning into Latin), we are told that He is not and was not an angel. And yes, we also agree that Satan was not an angel, but the Serpent, a murderer "from the beginning".

There were cherubim placed in the Garden of God (Eden) to guard the entrance, so Adam and Eve could not re-enter in their fallen state. I realize "angel" also means "messenger", the Hebrew word malak, thus we get Malachi (origin from malak), the prophet (messenger). Also, I see the "seven angels of the seven churches" receiving letters, so I believe these are referring to pastors (possibly). It is apparent that the king of Babylon in Isa 14 and the king of Tyre in Ezek 28 were indeed humans, yet called cherubim. They were wicked kings - were they angels in human form or perhaps possessed by fallen angels? I have another hub entitled, "Is Everyone Possessed?" that delves into this question further, giving Biblical examples (i.e. lying spirits that speak through the mouths of the human prophets in 1 Kings 22:23)

We are told that we will judge the angels, and I assume these angels are the created beings that were never human - though again, I do believe angels can take on human form as God appeared to Abraham in Gen 18:22. God was not mortal there and thus, why He was born in a flesh and blood Temple, so He could shed His own blood for His Betrothed (paid the mohar for His Bride) - ref. Acts 20:28.

Your post is interesting and I do appreciate the insight. Thanks so much.

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