Fundamentals Of Meditation (Part 1. Christian Meditation vs. New Age Meditation)

Although this is part of a series, it is a complete study on its own. (Part 1 of 9 in series)

* all [bracketed] words in Scripture verses are mine *

The purpose of this article is not to address the New Age Movement (I may do that in yet another article for there is much to say) but my intent is just to motivate people to give serious thought to what they feel is proper meditation. As soon as one says the word meditation, an image comes to mind of someone sitting in a lotus position with their fingers forming circles and their eyes closed. Meditation has been around for so long and not much is taught in our Christian churches about this practice. The popular notion about meditation sits contrary, I believe, to the Scriptural idea of meditation. To get a general idea of what people think of meditation, I think Wikipedia had a great definition of this practice.

"Meditation is a holistic discipline by which the practitioner attempts to get beyond the reflexive, "thinking" mind into a deeper state of relaxation or awareness. Meditation is a component of many religions, and has been practiced since antiquity. It is also practiced outside religious traditions. Different meditative disciplines encompass a wide range of spiritual or psychophysical practices that may emphasize different goals—from achievement of a higher state of consciousness, to greater focus, creativity or self-awareness, or simply a more relaxed and peaceful frame of mind."

The basic idea is to decrease the "busy-ness" of one's mind, to narrow the stream of thought, or even to empty one's mind of everything and focus inward in some versions and outward to some infinite obscure point in others . The result is supposed to be an expanded awareness, a sharpening of the senses, a clearing and cleansing of the mind. This goal is already at odds with what Scripture says about meditation, so it's easy to see how this idea can be corrupted into something insidious, as Eastern religions claim one can climb out of this earthly box and achieve enlightenment. They can attach meanings and rituals to the elements of this practice and make it into a fleshly, even dangerously evil spiritual enterprise.

I believe that most Christians think that relaxation/meditation is harmless and can be beneficial to its adherents. It has however turned into a big hideous monster that has infiltrated Christianity. What has grown out of this misapplication of a Biblical mandate is what is known as the New Age Movement. The New Age movement has been encroaching on the church for a while and the number of Christians who regularly meditate and take elements of this movement as part of their personal lives and devotions is truly frightening.

A somewhat recent meeting of the minds has re-energized what already was a growing cultish group that sneers into the face of God and His word at every turn. There was published a renewed Manifesto for New Agers, the tenets of which were based on the original Manifesto incorporating the ideals of Alice Ann Bailey.

The nine basic goals of these "New Agers" are as follows:

1. A New World Order.

2. A Universal Credit Card System.

3. A World Food Authority.

4. A World Health Authority.

5 A World Water Authority.

6. A Universal Tax.

7. A Universal Military Draft.

8. Abolishing Christianity, Judaism, and Islam in favor of a Universal "Faith" of human awareness.

9. One Uniting World Leader.

This agenda is upsetting enough to people with any Biblical knowledge at all, but with Christians using New Age methods incorporated into their Christian meditation, or even replacing Christian meditation altogether, it is distressing indeed.

Compare this New Age idea of what meditation is, to how the Apostle Paul spoke of it.

"Be careful [anxious NKJV] for nothing but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God , which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true , whatsoever things are honest , whatsoever things are just , whatsoever things are pure , whatsoever things are lovely , whatsoever things are of good report , if there be any virtue , if there be any praise , think [meditate NKJV] on these things." (Philippians 4:6-8) KJV

Since the mind is never empty, the notion that someone can empty it, is utter foolishness. The mind was not meant to be empty or idle. I believe that it was not meant for much "drifting" thought either. All of us hears in our minds, endless words of thought dialogue, sees endless scenes of memory and imagination. What a person can do is insist their thought's focus would narrow to one thought path, a deeper consideration, a pondering of things usually not considered deeply. But for what aim? for what benefit?


Let's look at the differences between true and empty/dangerous meditation. The first thing we take from the definition above is that their meditation is a "holistic discipline." Discipline is a positive word. Without discipline we can run amok. It sounds so good, doesn't it? The trick is in the word holistic. This holistic approach is what distorts the reality of the shallowness of this practice. This practice supposedly "tunes" one into to a sense of the whole of existence. The word holistic used generically is harmless, but when used to put a worldly spin on the spiritual worship experience, it is evil. The idea that the center of anything for a Christian could be something other than Jesus Christ, is blasphemy . What is the essence, the sense of the whole, as far as the Christian is concerned? Is it not God Himself ? Any attempt at meditation for some purpose other than worship/contemplation with God or fellowship/communication with God is nothing short of blasphemy. The very concept of blasphemy is to continually reject God and to put the self above Him. Meditating to achieve self-awareness, or to become one with the physical universe (the creation) instead of the Creator Himself is blasphemy. To elevate the creation above the Creator, is blasphemy. To endeavor to "find one's center" without God being that center, or saying that "the human self is the center," or the "physical universe" is the center, or some cosmic energy "that some might call God" - all of these references go blasphemously against God's Holy Word.

The definition above also calls meditation practiced commonly as psycho-physical . That is the attempt to blend mind and body with elements of "universal energy" to achieve something in an individual that is greater than what he himself was at the start. How ironic that God has offered that very thing when we are born again. He, the God of the universe, has offered to come into us (indwell us) and to never leave us again. His wish is to make us holistically more than we were before but only on His terms. To say that there is a way to do some practice, without God, that will somehow allow you to crawl out of your "earth-bound" life box and become anything more - is blasphemy. Some, "friendly" to Christians say that they narrow their focus to just focus on God. Yet the actual practice involves merely repeating a mantra "Jesus" or "Spirit" over and over, or try to fill their consciousness with the "energy" of love. Those people still miss the mark of what Christian meditation is.

The next problem we see is that meditation was supposed to have one set of goals and not to encompass an individual's tailored concept of what was to be achieved. Meditation is a divine command and the goals are clearly stated. Basically, no one can meditate, in the Biblical sense of the word, without being a Christian. That may be considered by some an antagonizing statement but nevertheless it is true. Meditation is the emptying of oneself before the throne of God. To lay at the Lord's feet all sin, all fleshly encumbrances and make your requests known to God. It is a waiting with the word of God in hand and bathing yourself in those words. It is worship in the deepest sense, as you receive communication from the Holy Spirit and are renewed in Him.

"This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thyself prosperous, and thou shalt have good success." (Joshua 1:8 KJV)

"Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all." (1 Timothy 4:15 KJV)

Seventy-two times David wrote a directive into his Psalms that required a pause, or a complete stop of a song to dwell on the meaning. That meditation notation was selah in Hebrew (seh-law') meaning to pause, stop, consider, to meditate on. It is from a root word ca-lah (saw-law' Heb.) which means to hang up. (Literally to hold in place with the foot to weigh its value or worth). The idea David wanted to convey is at that point in the song there was an important concept or thought that needed to be considered, meditated on, so he put the notation selah there so that one may pause or stop to consider what was actually being said, so as not to lose the importance of the statement. The term selah has been recognized as the benchmark term for meditation in the Old Testament and gives us a key piece as to how to meditate.

"Stand in awe and sin not: commune with your own heart upon your bed, and be still. Selah . (Psalm 4:4)

"I said, "I will take heed to my own ways , that I sin not with my tongue; I will keep my mouth with a bridle, while the wicked is before me." I was dumb with silence, I held my peace, even from good and my sorrow was stirred. My heart was hot within me, while I was musing the fire burned : then spake I with my tongue. Lord make me to know mine end , and the measure of my days, what it is; that I may know how frail I am. Behold thou hast made my days as a handbreadth; and mine age is as nothing before thee; verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity [emptiness]. Selah." (Psalm 39:1-5)

In both of the Scriptures above, important pieces of meditation are present.

1. Emptying yourself before God. (which unbelievers won't do)

2. Taking note of your sin and logically confessing it as sin before God (which unbelievers won't do)

3. Realizing that one is frail and nothing , emptiness, vanity, before a holy God. (which unbelievers won't do)

4. After the emptying and the confessing, a musing or an enveloping of oneself in the word of God. (which unbelievers won't do)

5. Be still and wait on communication from God, as one lays as an empty vessel waiting for God to fill Him with His fire , His power from on High. (which unbelievers won't do)

Meditation is supposed to be a cleansing from sin and the burdens of the flesh that weigh one down and hinder fellowship with a holy God. Meditation provides a way of allowing God to speak to us individually through His word. He will empower His word to heal a broken spirit, to cleanse the heart of lust and strongholds of Satan and to get us back into perspective for service to the King of Glory. How shallow it is for those who meditate sitting in a lotus position and saying their mantra over and over. How evil it is for people to think that they will achieve any enlightenment or oneness with the real universe that is in line with a Holy God. All they do is waste time and effort to gain virtually nothing of benefit.

A sense of self? That will not save. A sense of clarity? About what? Even if one is relaxed and clear that will still not pay for their sin debt. All is vanity and emptiness if God is not there.

So what do you want to achieve with your meditation? Do you want a true sense of clarity? Do you want a cleansing of the confusion of life? Then do the first step and become a Christian and then the very goals you have for meditating in the first place will become your reality.

Here is the start:

Realize that before a Holy God you stand a sinner and that you can not save yourself.

"All have sinned and come short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:23)

Realize and believe that Jesus came to earth to bleed and die to pay for your sin.

"For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)

Empty yourself before that God and ask Him to save you.

"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Romans 10:13)

Pray this or something like it: Lord God, I know that I am a sinner. I believe that you died to pay for my sin, that You God came in human flesh and shed your blood for me. I believe that you were buried and rose from the dead. I need you to save me. Please come into my heart and save me right now. I turn from my life and turn to you as the only way of salvation. Thank you Jesus for saving me. Amen.

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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA

Excellent hub, brother. Those who meditate in the New Age sense are attempting to become one with the universe that God made, rather than one with God through faith in Christ. The New Age movement exalts/worships man's inner consciousness, while Christian meditation lays down oneself and exalts/worships Christ. To empty oneself in the sense of knowing there is no good thing in us and wanting more of Christ in us is not the same as emptying our minds to be filled with whatever muse will deceive us into thinking we are a god and the like.

Many that succumb to hypnosis, etc. are deceived into believing in previous lives and reincarnation, etc. Edgar Casey is one who never remembered all he said while in his trances (states of hypnosis)...likewise, what came forth from him has made him a "father" (so to speak) of the New Age philosophy.

I always appreciate what the Lord shows you and your willingness to share, brother. Also, I recommended your hub "Only One Crown (A Poem)" to another hubber today. That's my very favorite. Love you in His love!!


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no body 6 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

Thank you Sissypoo! I don't know why it took so long to write this, unless it was opposed by the enemy that knew it was what people needed to hear. Behind this comes a series on Philippians 4 on meditating on truth, just etc. Thank you for loving me and praying for me and standing by me. Without my wife and my sister I never would have been able to get here. I love you so much.


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DeBorrah K. Ogans 6 years ago

Nobody, Great hub! Spending quiet time with God is very important! “The basic idea is to decrease the "busy-ness" of one's mind, to narrow the stream of thought, or even to empty one's mind of everything and focus inward. The result is supposed to be an expanded awareness, a sharpening of the senses, a clearing and cleansing of the mind.” Yes, Yes! This is the point of meditation!

“Any attempt at meditation for some purpose other than worship and fellowship/communication with God is nothing short of blasphemy.” Not only is this true but it is dangerous! God desires to be the center of our lives not just some side attraction!

“"I said, "I will take heed to my own ways, that I sin not with my tongue; I will keep my mouth with a bridle, while the wicked is before me". I was dumb with silence, I held my peace, even from good and my sorrow was stirred…” This is a wonderful scripture I learned while still yet a child! It has helped me on many occasions!

“Whatsoever is true, whatsoever is noble, whatsoever is right whatsoever is pure …. Amen

Thank you for sharing your wonderful insight, In His love, Peace & Blessings!


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no body 6 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

Thank you DeBbie I always respect your opinion. I am looking forward to the series I'm doing on Philippians to expand on this meditation, Continue thinking on these things. Love you, my sister.


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thevoice 6 years ago from carthage ill

well done hub read thanks god speed


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Dave Mathews 6 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

I use meditation as a form of total relaxation. I actually do "Self Hypnosis" clearing and cleansing my mind, and then take my entire body piece by piece into a fully relaxed state. 10 to 15 minutes in this state is like 8 hours of sleep, and can be accomplished easily and effortlessly.

Brother Dave.


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA

Any use of the word "hypnosis" is cautioned, Dave. That type of opening of the mind can allow for entry of the spirit realm that is not of God. Using relaxation techniques to go to sleep really shouldn't be called "self-hypnosis", in my humble opinion...


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no body 6 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

The Voice. Glad it was enjoyable. I think that meditation and worship are keystones to personal growth in the Lord. And just like a pond that needs an inlet and outlet - evangelism is the outlet. The meditation of the world is nothing like that of the Lord and the outlet produces nothing.


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no body 6 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

Hi Dave Matthews, I think hypnosis is something different than what you are describing, isn't it? You are describing deep breathing and relaxation that is commonly associated with the term meditation. It really isn't meditating either. The controlled breathing uses the science God created to benefit the body. The slowing of input allows the mind to rest a bit. Hypnosis is thought focus and is dangerous, I feel. It allows someone else to place triggers into your mind and the mind must be yielded to do this. This makes one very vulnerable. Whereas the Bible says to think (meditate, ponder) on the things such a those things that are "just" and "true" etc. and "the peace that passeth all understanding will keep your heart and mind." It never says to empty your mind or what is in my mind to become empty-headed. Instead it says

"Come now let us reason together."


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no body 6 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

I do agree with you sister Judah D. With the mind's guard shut down or off, one makes themselves able to be manipulated. If a word from the hypnotist can be so effective to a yielded mind what would prevent spirit forces that wish us harm to play with us as well? I've always steered clear of anything that was not using what God gave me to think. I can be stupid on my own without yielding to stupid. I love you sis. And you too, Dave M.


coffeesnob 6 years ago

Good hub brother Bob

I find the best way for me to meditate is to think on His Word. Therein I find the rest, the peace and strength and truth,

Be blessed

CS


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no body 6 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

I think that all Christians that are serious about meditation do the 5 steps above but just don't think of that process in quite those terms. They may not always do the complete emptying of oneself so meditation is not as productive as God would have it to be. Or they may not do their confessing before they reflect on the Scripture and their sin disrupts the fellowship with the Spirit. They may never stop talking to God and listen to Him or not wait a little before the throne to see if God has something to say to them. Or they may not say anything at all at a time when they need to express themselves for the two-way conversation God wants. Christians have these elements as a natural part of who they are in Christ but if they are consistant in the use of them God can fellowship more closely with them. Love ya Coffeesnob.


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Cari Jean 6 years ago from Bismarck, ND

This is a great hub with a lot of good information. I don't think people, even Christians, who practice this New Age Relgiion realize how dangerous it is. It is evil and they are opening themselves up to all kinds of evil things. I would love to read your hub on the New Age Movement if you decide to do one.


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no body 6 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

I was starting a series on Philippians 4:8, where Paul states Whatever things are true, etc. continue to think (meditate) on these things. The New Age has infiltrated everywhere, including the White House and all of the educational system. New Age concepts are being taught to our children and kids that graduate college are prepared for the nine goals listed here. It is scary stuff. Would make me want to home school if my kids were still small.


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aesmith2009 6 years ago from USA

This was a very interesting post. I've never looked into anything dealing with New Age concepts but you are right about them being taught to college grads. I graduated college in Dec. 2007 and the main focus they have on you is making sure you buy everything on credit. I'm glad I had parents to teach me better. Unless I really need it, if I can't afford to pay for it there is no need to get it on credit. Also, in adressing the issue of universal faith it makes me think about all of these "non-demoninational" churches that have no doctrine, not even the Bible's doctrine that they follow that are springing up in every vacant store front across America. I believe in One God, One faith, One Baptism but some people take it too far. They allow things to go on in the house of God that should not and are totally against the Bible and then they justify it by saying that God has no respect of person.


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no body 6 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

Your doctrine has been true to the word as I've seen it thus far and I respect you as a fellow teacher. The world is changing and if folks don't see it, it's not like we Christians have not told them. The progressive, New Age, one world philosophy is being pushed and I don't think it will be too long before The Rapture happens and Antichrist is revealed. I thank you for trying to be true to the word and caring whether or not others do the same. Love you in Christ. Bob.


Rhonda Jones 6 years ago

It was meditation integrated with the scriptures that helped me overcome years of depression even though I had been a Christian for 20 years. Through quieting my mind I was able to recognize and take authority over destructive thinking and even more importantly, I was able to been to hear God. Now some 10 years later, I still continue my daily practice of spending time just dwelling in God's presence and meditating on the Word. Each time I leave God's presence through meditation I feel like another layer of my old self is peeling off. I believe through Christian meditation we die to self and become alive to Christ. Meditation begins and ends with God. Thank you for your post.

Blessings,

Rhonda Jones, The Christian Meditator

http://www.thechristianmeditor.com


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no body 6 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

You seems that you describe deep relaxation which may calm your stress but does not do what is proported to do by its adherents. They say one by emptying their mind can reach out to expand their mind to achieve enlightenment. It is new age thinking. When a Christian meditates he emptys himself before the Lord and comes to an end of himself. He calls out to Him with all his heart. Then envelopes himself with Scripture as his heart and mind prays to a holy God. Then in the stillness before God one waits on his musings for something from God. Meditation of the world eliminates God. If you get blessings from the Lord then you must be doing more of this Bible process than you wrote.


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James A Watkins 6 years ago from Chicago

Great Hub! It is one thing to sit quietly in the dark and wait for God to speak to our heart of hearts but quite another to "empty our minds" in the manner of TM. An open mind will accept a lot of crap. Thank you for an excellent read.


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no body 6 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

That coming from one of the best Christian writers on HP is quite the compliment. You are one of the people I wait for to reply to things I write. Thanks for stopping by. I was surprised at how many people who are Christians think that focusing on one word "Jesus" or "Love" actually helps them get closer to God. It makes them feel religiously fulfilled maybe. It makes them feel more relaxed maybe. But it opens up a whole lot of chance for the idle mind to be used by the enemy. I can attest to it myself. When I let my mind drift aimlessly, that's when I sin. When I put my mind on autopilot, that's when I sin. I hate to think what would happen should I do this on a regular basis, reaching out with my mind to the spirit realm like E.T. phoning home. It does hit a nerve with folks because so many do something similar when they meditate. Love ya Jim, my brother.


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IntimatEvolution 6 years ago from Columbia, MO USA

You know there is an amazing difference between true and empty meditation practices. One feeds the soul, the other looks good on camera. It is about as simple as that, yet your beautiful hub reminds us that the consequences are a lot more dangerous and powerful.


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no body 6 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

Thank you Julie for everything. You are the best. God bless you, my friend.


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no body 6 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

Thank you Julie for everything. You are the best. God bless you, my friend.


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drpastorcarlotta 6 years ago from BREAKOUT MINISTRIES, INC. KC

I love this: So what do you want to achieve with your meditation? Do you want a true sense of clearity? Do you want a cleansing of the confusion of life? Then do the first step and become a Christian and then the very goals you have for meditating in the first place will become your reality. Well said! I voted-up! Check this meditation Hub out when you get a chance. Much love no body...

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/drpastorca...


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no body 6 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

Thank you my sister for your love and prayers. I will check out your link too. I still have a couple of installments to this series. Love ya, Bob.


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IntimatEvolution 5 years ago from Columbia, MO USA

I love this hub of yours. I come back to it regularly. It is my constant reminder on what is important and how to accomplish it the right way, thru prayer. Love you!


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Tamarajo 5 years ago from Southern Minnesota

Excellent teaching and distinguishing between the meditation principles of false religion and the genuine spiritual disciplines of our faith.

During my prodigal years I was involved in New Age style therapy . It is a theif and a robber that trys to come up another way. They rob biblical truth but deny the power thereof. Its princples run parallel with biblical ones which is what makes it so deceitful. I really liked how you showed the biblical foundation of meditation there is so much mixing of false religion and Christianity and the lines get blurred for many. Great clarification. I will be back later to read your current post onthis topic


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no body 5 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

Each one of these articles have gotten more powerful for me. At the time that inspired this article, I was watching the end of my first marriage and I was stressed to the max. It was beginning to affect my health and my job. I went for help to this shrink that said he understood me as a Christian. He suggested I clear the clutter and focus on one thought or if I could, absolutely no thoughts whatsoever. He said that most chose a mantra "ohm" or such but I could just say "Jesus" over and over or focus on the feeling love. That's just plain bullstuff. Same term different meaning. Love ya Tam.


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no body 5 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

I just realized that I had not replied to you yet Julie. I am so happy you enjoyed this hub. I am truly amazed that God is so good. May the Lord bless you and keep you. I love ya Julie.


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lambservant 5 years ago from Pacific Northwest

I am so glad to have found this hub. I think about this term meditation a lot. As a Christian, my meditation is not empty, mindless, and me focused. I meditate on God's word, or a Biblical truth I hear someone speak. I may read it several times, pondering it, reflecting on it, praying about it. I try to digest it deeply into my spirit and soul so that I may be changed and know God in a deeper way. I have heard on a couple of occasions that meditation (Christ centered meditation) can be likened to a cow chewing his cud. Its kind of a gross analogy, but I find it accurate for me. A cow chews his food painstakingly, swallows it, and brings it up again later to chew on it some more to make it easier to digest.

Glad to have found you on hubpages.

BTW, I don't think you are a no body. God created you, and you were made in his image, you are fearfully and wonderfully made. There for you are of great value. Blessings.


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no body 5 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

Lambservant I think you are a kind and thoughtful person. I didn't exactly mean I was a nobody when I thought of the name. HP doesn't exactly let you change your moniker too easily. Kinda stuck with it now. Originally I was feeling a little discouraged in my attempts at losing weight. I looked in the mirror and said to God, "I have no body that my precious wife can look at and desire." That name became my reminder to keep on working to make myself more desirable to her and to glorify the Lord with my body. I have a sense that in this age of stress and continuing degeneration of society that more and more people will turn to what they understand is meditation. I am almost 100% certain that I am going to write a book on meditation because it continues to be one of the most read of the topics I write. Thank you sister for your affection and readership. Love, Bob Smith.


Fabian 4 years ago

I was going to meditate for the first time. However, as a Christian, not a strong one, but still a Christian, I decided to look for some guidance online, a biblical truth behind it. This post was amazing. I would have done so much harm to myself. Quite often, my mind would be plague with thoughts and voices that I'd rather they weren't there and I thought meditation would be the tool to set me free. I guess our Father led me to this website and showed me the real truth I had forgotten. I need to meditate more on His word and that will set me free. Thank you all for being there. God bless.


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no body 4 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

Your comment Fabian has blessed my heart. I have heard of so many people getting into meditation from so many angles and for so many reasons. New Age Meditation seems to suit anyone no matter how estranged that person is from the Bible and its teachings. I saw that wiccans, athiests and many others have many results that to me as a Bible teachers frankly scare me because it involves so pretty bizarre forces that are not the Holy Spirit. People claim to have visions and out of body experiences, to talk to the dead and fortell the future in trance. That is not for me or anyone that would claim to love the Word of God. I thank you that you have drawn my attention to this hub because it has been a place where at least two people have published their idea of what meditation is and I had to delete it. My wish is that you are drawn to the rest of this series because meditation does have some other considerations that would make the practice a deeper and more meaningful experience between you and the word and God. God bless you Fabian. Bob.


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no body 4 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

To Meditate Properly: I appreciate your suggestion of reminding yourself about time spent. I have a tendency to look up and a great deal of time has passed but it is always worth it. However, I am retired and have a bit more time to spend with God in meditation than does others. Others may have more serious consequences with more time spent and the worry about it may interfere with their focus on the things of God. I appreciate the imput. God bless. Bob.


Leah 3 years ago

My Christian father meditates. I don't argue with him about it. He doesn't see anything wrong with it.


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no body 3 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

It is not exactly dangerous to a Christian. He does not lose his salvation for meditating. He just won't produce any fruit. The greatest danger to him is that he opens himself up to some influence on his thoughts from demons. Being alone with our sinful minds for longer periods will not birth minds that do not sin, instead it breeds more complicated sin structures in the mind, also called "strongholds." Allowing our minds to drift to whatever it wants will invariably drift toward sin. Bur if he also reads his Bible that will help defend his mind. Thinking longer on a Scripture that is the living word is focusing on the Lord. The mantra is the thing that is empty and sets the mind adrift in a sea of its own sin. Focusing on nothing but our most buried feelings and nature is the thing that many will find does not help but hurts them. But the small benefit of feeling a bit relaxed because of the quietness, he may in time find is not worth the time invested because a Christian's walk is one of action, not inaction. Thank you for commenting.


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Lady Guinevere 3 years ago from West Virginia

sorry but what a bunch of doo doo.


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no body 3 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

Thank you Lady G. Appreciate your comment. Bob.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

What a wonderful hub. The only thing I ask for is God to lead me on the path He wants me to follow. I am not perfect, but I love God and He is the One that knows that path. Hope that makes sense.


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no body 3 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

God bless you Michele Travis, it makes perfect sense. God has asked His children to meet Him in the quiet, with a broken attitude, ready to be led. Once there He will illuminate what He thinks of you (how He loves you) and how you can learn to love and serve Him better. Thank you for stopping by and commenting.


andrew boules 3 years ago

What's wrong to meditate upon God's word , and then meditate upon my goals and see myself achieving them , like meditating on succeeding in the company I work for and be the best salesman


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no body 3 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

Thinking upon your goals is not meditation in the sense of Scripture. You visualizing what you want to happen in your life may not be led of the Spirit. It is not wrong in and of itself. It just won't accomplish what focusing on Christ will accomplish. Meditation was never meant to visualize a human goal-related focus. It was meant to ready you to receive a word from the Lord about your life. It was meant to be a time where you and the Holy Spirit can commune and communicate in an atmosphere of utmost honesty. Using Scripture to simply enrich your thinking ability, if that is what you are doing, is a shallow use of His Word. If you are indeed focusing on Christ and listening to what He says to do with work and other things that you have been led to do by God is meditation, if that is what you are doing, keep it up. I wish only the best for you. Thank you for your question and comment. Bob.


Andrew boules 3 years ago

Im really lost and I need help , is the subconscious mind powerful and when visualizing the desired goals it attracts , circumstances , people and ideas to help you achive the desired goal ?


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no body 3 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

The mind IS powerful but the fact is that God is the One who ordains things to happen. The conscious mind is where things are worked out, plans are made. But the thing is that the Bible says "the heart of man [the center of the motivation, which includes the subconscious mind] is desperately wicked." A man can picture what he thinks is good for himself and be completely wrong in the decision and life path that decision takes him in. Life is short and we really do not have time to waste, a blink and a nod and it is over. The Bible says "As a man thinks in his heart [seat of motivation] so is he." It is always better to be in alignment with God who wants to grant you bigger results with the life He's given you than you ever could dream possible. So, first of all make sure you know Jesus as Lord and Savior. If you do not know how to approach God so that you can have a relationship with Him, you can see how to do this at the end of this article. Once you are a child of God, you will find yourself yearning to be closer to Him and realizing that He will grant those things that are needed to live that full rewarding life you crave. He will begin to work- you will be made brand new, complete with a new heart that beats for God. You will be able to have peace of mind. You will know fulfillment.

Now if you are asking about how to handle the subconscious mind, you do it by filling your conscious mind with God and God's word. "I have hidden Your Word in my heart [subconscious mind, seat of motivation] that I might not sin against you." Don't worry about freeing it or what mantra to say. Don't worry about wasted "mind space" leading to stress. Just focus your mind on Jesus. Talk to Him and tell Him your dreams and goals and He will begin to show you those things that He knows will work for you (and subsequently for all those depending on you) as He works His will in you life.


Andrew boules 3 years ago

I read 75% of the bible till now , and im 23 years old

And I serve god in every way and I sin and repent and confess .

I pray and ask god for my dreams and goals to see if it is according to his will , then I visualize myself and use my subconscious mind to sett goals and achieve it


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no body 3 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

A relationship with God begins with you asking Jesus to into your heart to save you. Of course, I do not know how you approached God because only one can read hearts and that One is God. But if it was like how it is described in the article and you meant what you said, that you would trust Jesus to save you and forgive you for being a sinner, then God will begin to direct you. As I mentioned earlier, when you desire a thing to happen in your life, it is critical that God be directing you in it, else it be a waste of time. The saved child of God will naturally speak to God like He is right there with him. He will desire to know that his goals are God's goals. People have been visualizing themselves making things happen for centuries but without God in the mix those things will not unfold as they think. It will not bring about fulfillment and peace of mind.

This is what I advise and any part of this you have already done check it off:

1. Make sure of your salvation. Right now you can reaffirm that relationship by recommitting your life to God. If you have not asked for forgiveness for being a sinner, then do so, like the article describes.

2. Read a little of the Bible everyday. Pray first that God will use the words you take in to speak to your heart as regards the things you desire and the plans that you have formed in your mind.

3. Speak to God about those plans and tell Him that His plans are what you wish for your life. Ask Him to help make your plans and His plans match up.

4. Then simply have faith that all will happen as God and you have planned it. God will never leave or forsake His child.

I know people who have been born again and that do not give God control in their life and their lives seem to spin their wheels, but God is teaching them by the things happening to them.

On the other hand, I know folks that try to compromise and do not approach God for salvation, but simply rehearse what they think are their weak points and then visualize their goals without God having a part of it at all. Make sure this scenario is not you Andrew. Just reading the Bible or naming your mistake to yourself will do nothing to help you. If you are a child of God then the article also tells you how to live a live that achieves things and does not "spin its wheels."

I hope this helped Andrew.


Andrew boules 3 years ago

Thank u so much for your help Bob


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no body 3 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

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Angel101 2 years ago

Well, I agree that eastern meditation is different from western, more specifically Biblical. We are to fill our minds and hearts with the Word of God day and night and pray in the Spirit always. Now, since you spoke of your opinion, now here's mine: unless you've dealt with a long battle with anxiety (o.c.d.), you would not understand how desperately we need to silence the mind. Though I'm sure every one has issues, I don't always want to be thinking. I'm not saying that I don't need or want to read the Word, which I do, but some people just don't understand. So yes, I believe it's fine to be silenced in the mind every once in a while. Blasphemy is denying and rejecting the Holy Spirit which I will NEVER do.? Plus, if I ever do meditate, I never sit in silence for hours, nor do I chant, nor do I think. Just because you want to slow down your thinking does not mean you've committed blasphemy. Thanks.


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no body 2 years ago from Rochester, New York Author

I believe what you speak of is the Bible quote. "Be still and know I am God." Quieting the mind is part of meditation, especially if the mind is cluttered in the fashion you say. But the quieting is not an end in itself. Be quiet AND know that I AM God. After allowing the brain to stop revving at high speed the next part is essential. Without a filling of the mind with God then the mind will not grow stronger. The quieting is beneficial but then Eastern meditation stops. Focusing inward does not strengthen. Focusing on God and His word will do that. Thank you for your comment. I don't believe we are so far apart in opinion. Bob.


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