How Can A Government Control The Masses?

This hubber recently wrote a hub about the concentration camp and those who deny that it ever existed. However, that hub, got me to thinking about the men who were in charge of concentration camps, could ever hurt the people who were in the concentration camps so severely. They put them in gas chambers, shot them, tortured them. They separated children from their parents, and even did medical experiments on the children. All of these things were horrible. How could one human being do that to another human, for no reason at all?

Then, perhaps what the men who did that did not do that out of their own self will, perhaps they were experiencing mind control. Mind control may have been the reason, all of this horror in all of the concentration camps happened. Mind control over the men who ran the concentration camps, and the masses of people who supported them.

This hub will try to explain what mind control is. There was an experiment about mind control that was done in 1963 called the ' Milgram Experiment' conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram. In this experiment, two people were placed in two different booths. In the first booth was the 'Teacher' and in the second booth was the 'Student'. Now the 'Student' was always a person who was part of the experiment. The 'Student' acted as though He or She was a volunteer, but in reality was not. The 'Teacher' was a volunteer and knew nothing about the 'Student'.

Now, the teacher was given a list of questions to ask the student. If the student gave the incorrect answer, the teacher would give them an electrical shock. The more incorrect answers, the stronger the shocks became. After the second or third shocks, the student would start to complain about the severity of the shocks. Then the teachers would say they needed to stop. However the person conducting the experiment would tell them to continue the the 'teaching'. The teachers could not see the students, they could only hear them. Then the shocks continued. The student would start to yell, and the person conducting the experiment told the teachers, that they would not get paid unless they completed the experiment. The teachers were also told that they would never be identified. The last shock was 450 volts of energy. Also, 65% of the teachers finished the experiment. Milgram summarized this experiment in his 1974 writing the " Perils of Obedience".

Here is a video about the history government can control masses of people. How a government can control what people think and do.

This is how mind control had been used in the past. How can mind control be used now? Now that we have more, then just people talking in front of people. People reading the newspaper, or listening to the radio? Now we have television that is on for 24 hours a day. We have the Internet. The next video is going to show us how television can effect how we think and feel.

Do you believe the videos are true? Is mind control happening to us now, and is it being used more then ever before? If this is true, then why?

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billybuc 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

I expect the unexpected from any government and I truly do believe a government can practice mind-control. Interesting and fascinating hub.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you for your comment. I appreciate it very much. Thought about it because not matter what channel you are watching, they all say the same thing.


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Deborah Brooks 4 years ago from Brownsville,TX

Michele where in the world did you find all this? you amaze me... I do believe to be true.. and it is scary.. I am so glad we have you to keep us informed.

God Bless you for being so bold to write this.

Debbie


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girishpuri 4 years ago from NCR , INDIA

Sounds interesting but practically how effective it would be....

interesting hub


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you Debbie, some people do follow, but some do not. Not everybody can be controlled.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

girishpuri Thank you for your comment. As you know, not everybody would follow.


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Mhatter99 4 years ago from San Francisco

I think I discuss my mother. A fascinating look at brainwashing. Imagine what can (might) be done today.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Pretty scary, at least. Thank you very much for your comment Mhatter99


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Pollyannalana 4 years ago from US

I really can see some people would be easy to control, probably we all do. Those friends we knew as young as grade school who only were followers and never had their own personalities. I would think I could never be brainwashed but if I got a shock on every wrong answer I can see...and it is a fear, like people wanting to give everyone the answer they want. Well you can see you have my wheels turning, lol. Great write!


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teaches12345 4 years ago

I don't take anything lightly when it comes to our government practices, it is scary to think about. Hopefully, it is one that is not being practiced. Interesting hub and a good read.


SlavJewRevenge 4 years ago

Michele as usual the hub is intresting and informative.But why do you ignore me now?Have i done something to offend you?Kindly email


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Lipnancy 4 years ago from Hamburg, New York

Yes there is a lot of mind-control from the government and many strong-minded leaders around us. But if you look at all the talks around the water coolers and kitchen tables, I think the control is less than you think. People can only be negatively controlled for so long.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Pollyannalana Thank you for your comment. It is not only the shocks, or tv, it is also that people follow other people. Just to fit in. Interesting.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

teaches12345 I hope so also.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Slav I am sorry, I do not mean to ignore you. I have been very busy in the last few days, and will be busy in the next few days. There is a lot going on right now. But, I will email you:)


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Lipnancy That is very true. Then they stand up and rebel.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 4 years ago from Kaufman, Texas

It is a very interesting subject you've got here. I try not to think about it...I just don't watch much of anything on tv...and don't listen to radio any more either...I'm sure that helps clear the garbage out of one's mind.

Did you ever read "The Mean Who Stare At Goats?"

It's a great book...much more serious than the film, and you don't realize how serious it is until towards the end of it.


SlavJewRevenge 4 years ago

Thank you and God bless you.I felt so because i was really inspired by your comments and emails.


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BHays 4 years ago from Sarasota, Florida

Nice job Michele,really enjoy your work. I agree with the position that society is under extreme influence's of "mind control",especially with the dumbing down of society.People do not think critically as they should,are spoon fed their talking points and position as they are subjected to a barrage of subliminal messaging wherever they go on multiple levels.It is a worrisome situation to say the least.I would extend this beyond TV and Govt to absolutely include among other entities most organized religion as well,especially those of Abrahamic ancestry -one of the earliest abusers of the craft and still extremely powerful and abusive today.


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Ann1Az2 4 years ago from Orange, Texas

Very interesting hub, Michele. Seems like I remember something about that experiment in the 60's - I think it was mentioned in a sociology class I took one time. Hitler was able to brainwash millions of people, though, because they were impoverished to begin with. Before WWII, the people were starving; the unemployment rate was around 50% in Germany; the economy was trashed. In steps Hitler who says he can fix it all. He fed them propaganda in the news and started teaching the kids that his way was the right way.

That's what makes our government so scary. The same thing is happening in the U.S. But people aren't seeing it. Like you said, look at the trash on the T.V. that we're fed 24 hours a day. Much of the news media is one-sided, too. Obama can do no wrong and the economy is improving. If that's true, why are we now staring a healthcare bill in the face that's going to cost us in the billions of dollars (which we don't have) and why is the unemployment rate still almost 10%?

Sorry if I'm ranting - you hit on a subject I'm passionate about! Very good subject to write about. Voted up!


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Sagittarius 2012 4 years ago from Canada

Very interesting hub Michele.

Isn't it horrible? 

65 % of teachers do not care about human suffering as long as they are being paid.

Isn't this what you call: serving Mammon?

"Greed, Mammon: Demon of wealth; son of the Devil; inspires gross injustice, idolatry, and the love of money over all other things. From Late Latin Mammon, from Greek Mammonas, from Aramaic Mamona. c.1362. (Judeo-Christian) "

http://www.lizaphoenix.com/demons/sin.shtml


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wba108@yahoo.com 4 years ago from upstate, NY

I belief what they call mind control is actually Satan or a demon that whispers in the ears of the people to manipulate thier thoughts. It starts with a small lie and gradually builds one falsehood on top of another, till one day the person is calling" evil, good and good, evil". The persons glory has become thier shame as the scriptures say! I believe this is what has happened in America because our poeple have turned thier backs on God and are opened thier minds to the seductive suggestions of the enemy of thier souls.


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Sagittarius 2012 4 years ago from Canada

Michele, have you ever thought that the governments are using the Holly Bible to control people's mind?

We know that Hitler clime to be Judeo-Christian, we also know that he was a quarter Jew, and so was Stalin.

Now let's have a look in to the Bible, the shortest, but as St. Jerome said, the most important book of the Bible; wasn't this book, Prophecy of Obadiah, a green lite for Hitler and Stalin to do what they did?

Obadiah 1

King James Version (KJV)

1 The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord God concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the Lord, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle.

2 Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised.

3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?

4 Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the Lord.

5 If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off!) would they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave some grapes?

6 How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up!

7 All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee even to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; they that eat thy bread have laid a wound under thee: there is none understanding in him.

8 Shall I not in that day, saith the Lord, even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?

9 And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter.

10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.

11 In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them.

12 But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day that he became a stranger; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress.

13 Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of their calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity;

14 Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossway, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress.

15 For the day of the Lord is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.

16 For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.

17 But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.

18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, 

...and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the Lord hath spoken it....

19 And they of the south shall possess the mount of Esau; and they of the plain the Philistines: and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria: and Benjamin shall possess Gilead.

20 And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel shall possess that of the Canaanites, even unto Zarephath; and the captivity of Jerusalem, which is in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south.

21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the Lord's.

King James Version (KJV)

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Johan Smulders 4 years ago from East London, South Africa

Some interresting thoughts. Just taught a Social Pscyhology Course where we looked at this subject. The power to control the mind is scary. We need to let God control our minds rather than humans, be it Government or Hollywood. Switch T.V. off and read the Word!


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Ann1Az2 4 years ago from Orange, Texas

sagittarius2012, the Bible is never used as a green light to destroy 6 million people of the human race like Hitler did. Hitler and Stalin took thinks out of context, just like a lot of people do, to use for their own horrific purposes. The devil has a way of controlling minds - talk about mind control!

Obadiah was a profit that was prophesying about what would happen to Edom (descendants of Esau). When Moses was leading the Israelites out of Egypt, God told him not to harm the people of Edom, because they were Esau's brothers. Since Esau and Jacob were bothers, that made the Edomites relatives of the Israelites.

However, when Israel was carried away into captivity by the Babylonians (Nebuchadnezzar), Edom laughed at them and found no remorse, even though they were of the same kindred blood. God was to punish them for their pride.

Johan, I agree totally - God is in control. As long as we let him control us, we're safe.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

SlavJewRevenge Thank you for all of your comments. I appreciate them very much.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

BHays What you wrote is true. I think it is worse then what it has been, because of television and the internet. It only takes a moment and a video goes viral. Or the media, they all say the same thing!


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Ann1Az2 It is ok if you rant ( I do that too). My hubs are not usually funny or poems. Maybe they are strange, but that is just what I write. The strange things, I think are happening.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Sagittarius 2012 I agree with you when it comes to serving Mammon. That makes a lot of sense to me. Thank you very much for your comment.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

wba108@yahoo.com True, very true.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Sagittarius 2012 Then is the book of Revelation true?


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Johan Smulders That is a wonderful comment!


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Sagittarius 2012 4 years ago from Canada

Ann1Az2,

Esau was the founder of the Nation of Edom;

Genesis 25 reads:

"23 And the Lord said unto her, 

Two nations are in thy womb, 

and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

24 And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb.

25 And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau."

If the Bible says in Obidiah:

"9 And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that

 every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter."

"18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, 

and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; 

for the Lord hath spoken it.

19 And they of the south shall possess the mount of Esau;"

Isn't this clear instruction  for Holocaust, Genocide of entire Nation of Edom?

What Edomites did to deserve such a hate?

Who were those people?

Isn't someone using the Bible to control Jewish minds to create Holocaust?

BTW, I have traced Edomites to Arameans / Armenian - Christian Genocide.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

I believe mind control is happening all over the world right now, and it is getting worse. Not only in Nazi Germany, but all over the world. And when you asked about hate, do you hate Jews?


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Sagittarius 2012 4 years ago from Canada

Michele, I have asked - what is hate.

Can you please define the meaning of the word "hate", and tell me, how it could possibly apply to me?


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Sagittarius 2012

VERB:

hat·ed, hat·ing, hates

VERB:

tr.

To feel hostility or animosity toward.

To detest.

To feel dislike or distaste for: hates washing dishes.

VERB:

intr.

To feel hatred.

NOUN:

Intense animosity or dislike; hatred.

An object of detestation or hatred: My pet hate is tardiness.


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Ann1Az2 4 years ago from Orange, Texas

Sagittarius 2012:

Edom was not hated at first - God asked Moses and the Israelites to go around Edom on their way to the promised land because they were Esau's descendants, and Jacob's relatives. Jacob and Esau, which I'm sure you know, were brothers, but Jacob gave to God his firstfruits, putting God first in his life. Esau gave to God not of the firstfruits, but of things that he harvested later, when he was ready. When God saw that Esau did not put Him first in his life and chastened him for it, Esau got angry with God.

Still, God recognized Esau as a brother of Jacob and so told Moses to bypass his descendants.

The wrath of God came down on Edom after they laughed and made fun of the Israelites who went into captivity into Babylonia. God told them they would meet the same fate as all the other enemies of Israel.

It has nothing to do with genocide or the holocaust. It's the history of the Jewish people. It has already happened. Not only that, God did it already, so it's not giving permission to anyone else to do the same thing.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Ann1Az2 I love your comments. You are one of the people here who help me learn more about God, as you know I still need to learn a lot. Thank you so much for helping learn things God wants me to know.


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Sagittarius 2012 4 years ago from Canada

Ann1Az2,

really, and you got it all from the Holly Bible?

Or maybe those who control minds of religious people had delivered it to you.

Shall we open the Bible and find out what is really written about those two Nations: EDOM and ISRAEL ?


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Sagittarius 2012 4 years ago from Canada

Michele, if this is all what hate is, then I have to say that I don't hate Jews.

My God and Creator,  is God of Love and Friendship.

He doesn't hate nor slaughter people and slaughter was clearly against the law of my God, who in Genesis 9 said:

"5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too,

 I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being.

6 “Whoever sheds human blood,  by humans shall their blood be shed; 

for in the image of God, has God made mankind."

As followers of Christ, our duty is to search for truth; and this is what John 8 is about.

As historians, “We believe that history matters. A society out of touch with its past cannot have confidence in its future. History defines, educates and inspires us. It lives on in our historic environment. 

As custodians of our past, we will be judged by generations to come. We must value it, nurture it and pass it on.” The History Matters Declaration 2006.

Why is history so important? : “It broadens the mind”- Richard Evans; “It help us see resolution to our present conflicts” – Julian Richards: “It challenges our intellect”- Ludmilla Jordanova; “ It helps us fight prejudice” – Ruth Scurr; “ It enlarges our own humanity” – Peter Jones;  “It reminds us that individuals make a difference” – Joanna Bourke;         “It gives us a shared identity” – Barry Coward; “It shows us the complexity of situations”- John Hudson; “It make us see that we are not simply detached observers of events” Alun Munslow; – from BBC History August 2006.

All what I do, is displaying the truth which others hide.

Hiding part of  history is usually meant to deceive people, not to educate and save them.


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Ann1Az2 4 years ago from Orange, Texas

Sagittarius 2012:

I don't think flinging insults at people is exactly Biblical or Christian-like, either. I haven't been rude to you. I've simply stated what I've learned through studying the Holy Word. Yes, God is love, but He is also just. He doesn't tolerate sin and in the end we will all be judged.

Edom wasn't the only one dealt with. God demolished Jerusalem, too, and allowed Babylon to take them captive. These people were worshiping other gods (idolatry), fornicating and sinning everywhere. It wasn't too long after the captivity that God wiped out Babylon, too.

God isn't the wimpy, little all loving, all goody God that some people think He is. He is all loving, slow to anger, and great in mercy and forgiveness, yes. But He is also just and when a people such as Edom, Judah, and Babylon continuously break His commandments, worship other gods, and do such horrible things as child sacrifice which some of them did, He has no choice.


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Sagittarius 2012 4 years ago from Canada

My apology Ann, if you felt offended by my comment.

I did not meant to hurt your feelings with my response; it was just my expression of being totally surprised by your creative answer; I've never heard this kind of explanation before.

It reminded me the story about Cain and Abel, when the older brother Cain had murdered the younger Abel.

However, the story of the firstborn Esau and his younger brother Jacob had turned out quite opposite. 

From Apocryphal writings we know that it was the younger Jacob who murdered his older brother Esau; and it was the reason for my surprise "really" reaction.   

It has been removed from the Bible, but preserved in apocryphal writings of Dead Sea Scrolls,  how Esau died.

From the Book of Jubilee and the Testament of Twelve Patriarchs, preserved between the Dead Sea Scrolls, we know that Jacob, encouraged by Judah,  have killed his brother Esau. 

IV.—THE TESTAMENT OF JUDAH (son of Jacob/Israel) 

CONCERNING FORTITUDE, AND LOVE OF MONEY, AND FORNICATION.

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf08.iii.vi.html

9. Eighteen years we abode at peace, our father and we, with his brother Esau, and his sons with us, after that we came from Mesopotamia, from Laban. 

And when eighteen years were fulfilled, in the fortieth year of my life, Esau, the brother of my father, came upon us with much people and strong; 

and he fell by the bow of Jacob, and was taken up dead in Mount Seir: even as he went above Iramna was he slain. 

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf08.iii.vi.html

The Book of Jubilees

http://www.pseudepigrapha.com/jubilees/38.htm

[Chapter 38]

1.And after that Judah spake to Jacob, his father, and said unto him:

'Bend thy bow, father, and send forth thy arrows and cast down the adversary and slay the enemy; and mayst thou have the power, for we shall not slay thy brother, for he is such as thou, and he is like thee let us give him (this) honour.' 

2.Then Jacob bent his bow and sent forth the arrow and struck Esau, his brother (on his right breast) and slew him. 

3.And again he sent forth an arrow and struck 'Adoran the Aramaean, on the left breast, and drove him backward and slew him.”

http://www.pseudepigrapha.com/jubilees/38.htm

For killing his brother Esau, God sent Jacob/Israel, with his whole family, into slavery in Egypt for 400 years.


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snowdrops 4 years ago from The Second Star to the Right

Interesting... your hubs always keep my thoughts alive. shared!


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

snowdrops Thank you so much for sharing!


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Ann1Az2 4 years ago from Orange, Texas

Michele, I have to apologize for using your hub as a forum for debate. I didn't mean to. I just get passionate about the Bible. I have one more thing to say to sagittarius2012, and then I think if she wants to discuss things further, we should do it by some other means. It does prove that your hub rises controversy on the subject of mind control!

sagittarius 2012, I had to take a breather for the holiday, and I also wanted to get my ducks in a row. So, here it goes:

One of the differences in our opinions lies in the fact that I don't take other histories written by man of the people in the Bible seriously. Here's why:

Revelation 22: 18-19

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

Or, if you prefer, the Old Testament: Proverbs 30;5-6 says "Every word of God is pure: He is a shield unto them that put their trust in Him. Add thou not unto His words, lest He reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Now, having said that, the history of Esau and Jacob can be found in Chapters 25 and 26 of Genesis. Esau and Jacob were twins, but there are too many details to go into here. Basically, when Jacob stole Esau's blessing from Isaac, Esau became angry and threatened to kill Jacob, so Jacob fled. Twenty or so years later, they met and cried in each other's arms. It is a story of forgiveness, not murder.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Ann1Az2 I do not think you are using my hub as a forum for debate. When you write comments, they help me learn a lot of things. Many of my hubs are questions. There are so many people here who know a lot of things, and they are teaching me. I appreciate what you have just written, thank you so much.


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Sagittarius 2012 4 years ago from Canada

You see Ann, when you say:

 "... when Jacob stole Esau's blessing from Isaac, Esau became angry and threatened to kill Jacob, so Jacob fled." 

then you statement is the best example that someone is controlling your mind; because the facts are that:

- The Blessing is Spiritual and can not be stolen or obtain by deception; there is plenty of proof in the Bible confirming that the Blessing  was obtain by the firstborn Esau, not the deceiver Jacob.

- Esau had never threatened to kill his brother Jacob, in fact, he loved his younger brother so much that  gave him all their father's possession, and Esau was also willing to share with Jacob the land he obtained by marriage.

-  Jacob did not fled being affair of Esau, but was sent away from home because of wickedness.

Ann if you don't believe me, read the Bible, if you need help let me know.


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Sagittarius 2012 4 years ago from Canada

Ann, you say:

"One of the differences in our opinions lies in the fact that I don't take other histories written by men of the people of the Bible seriously."

Ann, don't you? Let's look the Obadiah Prophecy once again, but before, quick look at the first commandment God gave to Noah and his sons:

Genesis 9 reads:

"5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too,

 I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being.

6 “Whoever sheds human blood,  by humans shall their blood be shed; 

for in the image of God, has God made mankind."

Now back to Obadiah:

"9 And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter.

10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever...

18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, 

...and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the Lord hath spoken it...."

Now Ann, from Genesis 9 we know that our God forbade to kill innocent people, also from the Bible we know that there wasn't any violence against Jacob from the hands of Esau, nither there was any violence from Edom twords Israel.

Don't you think now that Obadiah prophecy is man made, or at least hevyely corrupted by men?

Shall we have a closer look at this prophecy? After all, this is the prophecy of the End Times.

"20 And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel shall possess that of the Canaanites, even unto Zarephath; and the captivity of Jerusalem, which is in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south.

21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the Lord's."

Is there any truth in this prophecy?


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Ann1Az2 4 years ago from Orange, Texas

ok, sagittarius 2012, I think you misunderstood me, or perhaps it was the way I wrote it. I meant, I don't take accounts seriously about men in the Bible if they are not written by the men of the Bible. In other words, historians, who are or were not inspired by God are not always accurate because they are tainted by their own ideas. To believe that, you have to believe that everything in the Bible is God-inspired, which I do.

Now back, to Jacob and Esau:

Genesis 27: 41

"And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said in his heart, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then will I slay my brother Jacob."

Now Obadiah:

Every bit of Obadiah's prophecy came true or will come true. Jerusalem went into captivity for 70 years. During that time, Edom, Judah, Canaan, and all the surrounding areas were destroyed, along with the temple in Jerusalem. Approximately 300 years later, Jesus came and when He returns, He will judge all, including "the mount of Esau."

This is the last I'm going to say on this subject, because I think we shouldn't use this hub as a forum for debate. Aside from that, I do not need help reading the Bible, thank you. I've read it twice and am working on the third time. Isaiah is my favorite prophet and I take everything I read in the Bible as the truth. I'm not being mind-controlled. I pray for the Holy Spirit to guide me and He always does.


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B. Leekley 4 years ago from Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA

I question whether "mind control" is the "mot juste". Nothing and no one but their social conditioning controlled the minds and behaviors of the "teachers" in the experiment. It's not control in a similar sense to a joy stick connected to electrical and mechanical apparatus controlling an airplane, the person being a will-less automaton. The question is what is the nature of free will and why is it weaker or stronger in different people. Yes, governments, including our government, use mind control or brainwashing techniques. For instance, compare the Korean War era Chinese techniques mentioned in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_control with reports of America's treatment of its political prisoners. Why do some people stay steadfast while others make false confessions, convert, commit inhumane acts, and so on? From what I've read, those who most successfully say no to orders and demands to do wrong are those who have intentionally done their best to live by chosen ideals.


Lawrence 4 years ago

@Michele- you asked in the Larry Walls hub why i believed saints will go to heaven when they die.Answer is because scriptures say clearly that spirits of saints go to heaven to be with the Lord when they die-2 corinthians5:8,ecclesiastus12:7.When Jesus comes back their spirits will be reunited with their bodies and be ressurected from their graves or whereever they died.

You should have asked this question to Larry,for it's he who made the statement that saints in heaven can pray for us.I was only responding to his statement by saying-spirits of saints are not allowed to intercede for us according to scriptures.

So your motives are obvious which is to accuse and offend me and play it nice with Larry for your selfish gains.Even if it means eternal hell fire for Larry and other catholics,orthodox,hindu,buddhists etc who do idolatry.So you are a liar and evade from the truth.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

B. Leekley I looked up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_control so basically it has to do with a person's brain. So, yes some people can be controlled while others cannot. You have written a wonderful comment. I hope other people read it. Not everybody can be controlled. We are not robots.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Lawrence now I am asking you this question," because you were the one who wrote So your motives are obvious which is to accuse and offend me and play it nice with Larry for your selfish gains.Even if it means eternal hell fire for Larry and other catholics,orthodox,hindu,buddhists etc who do idolatry.So you are a liar and evade from the truth." And once again I will have to ask, why are you judging? Do you not know that we as humans cannot judge? I was not defending Larry. You were offending and judging Larry. I was trying to help you, by telling you what was in the bible, about judging others.

God bless you.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

I am deleted my comment, but decide to post it again. Why do you judge others. Only God can send people to hell. Not you, only God. You seen to have forgotten " Judge not lest ye be judged" What church do you go to? What are your gains? What are your motives? Who do you wish to offend, and why?


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Highvoltagewriter 4 years ago from Savannah GA.

There are new mind control weapons being developed all the time. Governments have always attempted to control their subjects. Interesting read!


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Highvoltagewriter Thank you for comment. I think you are very correct.


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Ann1Az2 4 years ago from Orange, Texas

Michele, you seemed to have roused up a lot of feelings on this one! I can't see all the comments, but I just wanted to say the hub itself is interesting and well done. So don't let anyone try to control YOUR mind, okay? lol


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Ann1A no one does, with all these hubs I might be a little bit crazy:)


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Ann1Az2 4 years ago from Orange, Texas

I'm beginning to think it might help to be a little bit crazy on hubpages! lol


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teacherjoe52 4 years ago

Of course the gov. uses mind control and in a lot of suttle ways.

They did a lot of it in the sixites with flashing objects on screen so fast it didn't register to the concious mind but the subconcious mind.

They did it in movie theaters where an image was flashed of a thirsty man in the dessert and then having a cool drink.

Same thing with hunger man and being happy eating popcorn.

God bless you.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

teacherjoe52 Thank you very much for your comment. What you wrote is true.

God bless you.


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Vegas Elias 4 years ago from Mumbai

In world war II many incentives were offered to people who carried out acts like the Nazi killings. They were offered good food, Good drinks and incentives like sex which encouraged them to be loyal to the Nazi ruler and also to many other regimes who took part in World War II.

Of course indoctrination was a very important tool used by them which is being used even today by the terrorists and the militaries of all nations.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Vegas Elias What you wrote is true. Your comments are always very good, I agree with this one also.


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Sagittarius 2012 4 years ago from Canada

Ann, I think you are "being mind controlled" if you take everything what you read in the Bible as the truth, because in the case of Obadiah prophecy, nothing from your interpretation came truth. 

Let me bring some historical background to Obadiah prophecy:

In 586 B.C., in respond to Jewish rebellions and wars, Babylonians ended kingdom of Judah and exiled its entire population to Babylon. 

The empty territories had been repopulated by settlers from surrounding countries: Arameans, Edomites, Ammonites etc. 

Edomites, descendants of Esau, the older tween brother of Jacob / Israel, have moved from Seir and Negev, and settled closer to Jerusalem, creating the state of Idumea (Greek for Edom), with its Capitol city in Hebron.

To understand why Edomites moved north, we had to go back to the books of Genesis and Chronicles, where is written how Jews displeased Edomites and Minaeans from their ancient territories.

In 538 B.C. Edict of Cyrus allows Jews to return and settled in and around, and only around Jerusalem. 

It wasn't until Maccabees revolt in 167 B.C. when for a short time Jews gained political independence. This events had been well recorded in history and in Catholic Bible, books of Maccabees 1 and 2.

John Hyrcanus, a Jewish king, son of Simeon, one of the Maccabee brothers, ruled Judea from 134-104 BC. He forcibly conquered Syrian provinces of Samaria and Scythopolis. John's wars of fire and sword were marked by massacres of city populations whose only crime was that they were Greek-speaking.

Idumea (EDOM) with its capital in Hebron, was also conquered by the Jews, and the inhabitants of its two main cities, Adora and Mariss, were forcibly converted to Judaism or slaughtered if they refused. According to the Bible, tens of thousands of Idumeans / Edomites, had been slaughter by the Jews in this war (Book of Maccabees).

The following is from Josephus Antiquities 13:9:1:

"... Hyrcanus took also Dora and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would circumcise their genitals, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision, and the rest of the Jewish ways of living; "

The descendants of Esau, Idumeans – Essenes, converted to Judaism and were truly pious believers. However, Hyracanus was succeeded by his son, Alexander Jannaeus. 

When some pious Idumeans - Essenes pelted him with lemons, Jannaeus's response, according to the historian Josephus, was terroristic:

"He was in a rage and slew of them about six thousand." After taking back Jerusalem he "did one of the most barbarous actions in the world for as he was feasting with his concubines, in the sight of the entire city, he ordered about eight hundred throats of their children and wives to be cut before their eyes." 

The rest of Idumeans – Essenes (descendants of Esau/Edom) ended up in Qumran as prisoners until Herod the Great, brought them back to Jerusalem. Those people became later known as Christians.

Ann, let's go back to the Obadiah prophecy, you say:

"Approximately 300 years later Jesus came, and when He returns, He will judge all, including "the mount of Esau".

But Ann, this is not what the ending of Obadiah prophecy says. 

We read in the Bible:

"20 And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel shall possess that of the Canaanites, even unto Zarephath; and the captivity of Jerusalem, which is in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south.

21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the Lord's."

According to the present bibles, it is not Jesus but the Israelites / Jews, who shall come up mount Zion to judge the mount Esau."

So Ann, if this prophecy is right (Jews came up on mount Zion and rule Palestine),  it means that the Palestinians are already leaving in the Kingdom of Heaven, under the judgement of Israelites.

God forbids that this "Kingdom" will spread all over the world; it's definitely not what I’m waiting for.

Ann, do you think, it is possible that someone corrupted the ending of this prophecy to control your mind, and to justify the Holocaust of the present Palestinians?


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Ann1Az2 4 years ago from Orange, Texas

Sagittarius 2012, at this point, it is time for me to back off, not because I think you're right, but because it is pointless for us to keep arguing when it is obvious you don't believe anything I say and don't believe anything you say. Yes I do take everything in the Bible as the truth and no I don't believe anything in it has been corrupted. If you think I'm being mind controlled, so be it.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Ann1Az2 Arguing with Sagittarius 2012 is not a good thing. It just goes on and on. You have made the right choice.


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Ann1Az2 4 years ago from Orange, Texas

Thanks, Michele. I appreciate the kind comment.


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Sagittarius 2012 4 years ago from Canada

OK Ann, I will let you back of, however before I do, I would like you to notice something. 

You have written:

"41 So Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing with which his father blessed him, 

and Esau said in his heart,

 “The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then I will kill my brother Jacob.”

Such a vicious thought, OR a VICIOUS ACCUSATION ; which continues:

"42 And the words of Esau her older son were told to Rebekah. So she sent and called Jacob her younger son, and said to him, “Surely your brother Esau comforts himself concerning you by intending to kill you."

Ann, someone is trying to control your mind by making you believe in an obvious lie, a lie that Esau was planing to kill his brother Jacob!

Ann, Esau was the son Isaac prayed for, and was the firstborn son God have granted to Isaac.

God is Love and Esau was loving and caring son and brother.

Esau wasn't sitting in the tents gossiping, but was providing food for his family. He was working in the field, hunting and defending his family from the wicked people like Nimrod; and this is why Isaac loved him.

Was Esau strong? No doubt about it. Was he gentle? this is what the Bible shows to us; and this is the reason why his descendants are later called Gentiles.

Jacob knew how gentle his brother is, and this was the reason why Jacob refused to give a bowl of soup to his starving brother, until Esau swore to give Jacob his birthright.

Esau was a very good person, and all the words that came from his lips, and are recorded in the book of Genesis are:

- "32 And Esau said (to Jacob),  Behold, I am at the point to die: and what profit shall this birthright do to me? "

- "My son: and he said unto him, Behold, here am I. "

- "... and said unto his father, Let my father arise, and eat of his son's venison, that thy soul may bless me. 

32 And Isaac his father said unto him, Who art thou?

And he said, I am thy son, thy firstborn Esau."

- "34 And when Esau heard the words of his father, he cried with a great and exceeding bitter cry, and said unto his father, Bless me, even me also, O my father."

- "36 And he said, Is not he rightly named Jacob? for he hath supplanted me these two times: he took away my birthright; and, behold, now he hath taken away my blessing. 

And he said, Hast thou not reserved a blessing for me?"

- "38 And Esau said unto his father, Hast thou but one blessing, my father? bless me, even me also, O my father. And Esau lifted up his voice, and wept. "

- "Who are those with thee?

8And he said (to Jacob), What meanest thou by all this drove which I met?"

- "9And Esau said (to Jacob), I have enough, my brother; keep that thou hast unto thyself."

- "12 And he said (to Jacob);  Let us take our journey, and let us go, and I will go before thee."

- "15And Esau said (to Jacob), Let me now leave with thee some of the folk that are with me."

Ann, there is nothing that would indicate that Esau " .....

" may very well be capable of fury and anger and threats of death when they have been crossed wit Jacob. Over the top in impulsive anger; over the top in impulsive love.... " as the narration of Genesis accused him to be. 

The only time, when Esau is accused of being bad and planing to kill his brother Jacob, is in Genesis 27.

Let's have a close look at this passage:

"41And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: 

and Esau said in his heart,

 The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then will I slay my brother Jacob. 

42And these words of Esau her elder son 

were told to Rebekah:

 and she sent and called Jacob her younger son, and said unto him, Behold, thy brother Esau, as touching thee, doth comfort himself, purposing to kill thee."

Ann, when I read this story I couldn't believe what I have seen, so I've checked several other Bible translations and even checked the Apocryphal books; and all said the same: 

"Essu said in his Heart"

"and this words of Esau were told to Rebecah"

Ann, how will you diagnose the symptom when someone claim to be told what the other person think in his heart? 

I have checked two more highly respected translations, and there was nothing indicating that this words about killing Jacob had in fact came from Esau:

The first one is from the Greek Septuagint Bible:

"41 And Esau was angry with Jacob because of the blessing, with which his father blessed him; 

and Esau said in his mind,

Let the days of my father’s mourning draw nigh, that I may slay my brother Jacob. 

42 And the words of Esau her elder son were reported to Rebecca, 

and she sent and called Jacob her younger son,

and said to him, Behold, Esau thy brother threatens thee to kill thee."

http://www.ecmarsh.com/lxx/Genesis/index.htm

Next one is from the Book of Jubilees:

The Book of Jubilees

[Chapter 27]  - I like this one, it very popular in Judeo-Christian circles.

"And the words of Esau, her elder son, 

were told to Rebecca in a dream, 

and Rebecca sent and called Jacob her younger son, and said unto him: 'Behold Esau thy brother will take vengeance on thee so as to kill thee. 

Now, therefore, my son, obey my voice, and arise and flee thou to Laban, my brother, to Haran, and tarry with him a few days until thy brother's anger turns away, and he remove his anger from thee, and forget all that thou hast done; then I will send and fetch thee from thence.' 

And Jacob said:

 'I am not afraid; if he wishes to kill me, I will kill him.' "

http://www.pseudepigrapha.com/jubilees/27.htm

Ann, you know by now how Esau died; he was murdered by his brother Jacob.

BTW, who do you think was the Messenger who delivered Esau's "though" to Rebecca in her dream; was it not the same who encouraged Rebeca to deceive her husband with Jacob's blessing? Isn't his other name - the Accuser?

BTW Ann, going back to Obadiah prophecy, how would you like this original version of the ending for this prophecy?:

Obadiah 1

"21 And those who are saved again shall come up out of Mount Sion, that they may defend Mount Esau, and it shall be a kingdom to the Lord.”

This ancient version is very similar to the one we have today and makes perfect sense if you look at the current situation of Palestine.

The only difference from the present biblical text is, that the original prophecy (before it has been corrupted) said,

that the jews and judeo-christians should get out of judaistic religion, and not only stop slaughtering Palestinians and other descendents of Esau, but defend them. 

There was nothing in the original ending of Obidiah prophecy, telling that the Jews should judge or defit Edomites / Palestinians.

Have a nice day :)


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Faceless39 4 years ago from The North Woods, USA

You definitely hit the nail on the head with this one. TV is a perfect medium for "mind control," or suggestive repetition. I don't watch TV, and I have to say that once you stop, you realize all the chatter that was going on in your subconscious is now gone. TV is the perfect medium for gov. (and corporate) propaganda.

You might be interested to learn about the US government's mind control program, MK Ultra.

Voted up, useful, and interesting.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Faceless39 Thank you for letting me know about MK Ultra. I need to look that up.


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CloudExplorer 4 years ago from New York City

Wow lots of action here in this hub, pretty cool, I like how you took a strong look at the whole mind control factors of Government, and all. Its nice to see so many people think differently about such a subjective topic.

I also like the video of how television affects us and applies mind control elements into it all subliminally and in other ways.

Voted up and out!


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you for your comment CloudExplorer, I love to write about subjects like that, not sure why, I just do.


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SportsBetter 4 years ago from San Francisco

Yes the government uses mind control in many different ways. Through the education system indoctrinating kids how to think and what they should know. You can only form opinions off of what you already know, but what if everything you know isn't true.

I have also heard of controlling peoples emotions through radio waves. They can send a signal that can change your mood. Since our bodies pick up on these signals.

Television another great example. You need to watch the movie clip from the Network, here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO78Ej9EKC4 ... The TV instills values and we just soak them up. We should be learning values from each other not from some controlled media outlet.

I also suggest looking up sleeper assassins. These are people chosen by the government to be framed for the assassination of whoever they want to die. They usually wake up not remembering what happened.

Also you mentioned people in concentration camps and how can they hurt people. Most people have power and want to express that power by hurting others. They are also brainwashed to support the "state".

The government does a lot more harm that we can see. It takes research and learning. This is why the founding fathers didn't want a strong government. The Constitution was written to limit government powers. Most people think corporations run the show. Which is true they currently do. Corporations that benefit from government regulations and bailouts are only able to do so because government has power. If government didn't have power they wouldn't be able to auction it off to corporations. Sorry I went off track. Just keep researching and you will find the government has a lot of skeletons in their closet.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

I know it does, that is why I asked this question. We just have no way of changing it, if no people vote. Well, you already know how I feel about voting.


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SportsBetter 4 years ago from San Francisco

Voting won't do anything. The system is too powerful to let one person change anything. If this elected official did start changing things they would get killed. The presidential election you have no choice. Its either puppet number one or two.

Your right we can't change anything. The only way to change things is to wake up the people. I try to wake up people but no one wants to listen. They want to play with their cellphone, ipad, what have you instead. The people will only wake up when its too late and they have no food and their paper fiat currency is worthless.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

That is true, people do not want to vote. That is what I found out when I asked that question. When the people wake up, we will have no power at all. Game over.


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lrc7815 4 years ago from Central Virginia

Michele, you sure took on a big topic here. I have shared this hub because as is evidenced by many of the comments here, the masses aren't ready to hear the truth. An acquaintance of mine calls our society "sheeple" because the majority follow so blindly. You barely scratched the surface here and look at the reaction you received. If it wasn't so sad it would almost be funny.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

lrc7815 Thank you so much for sharing. I just want people to vote. That is the only way we will be ever be in control. There are so many people who just sit back and watch TV. I don't understand why people don't vote.

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