More Bible Verses NOT to Live By

This is part 2 in a series
This is part 2 in a series

Introduction

Recently I posted a hub in response to hubber rtcomics which, more or less, countered a hub he had done about inspirational Bible verses we should all live by. I responded by pulling out five Bible verses that NO ONE should live by. In fact, however, there are many Bible verses NOT to live by, far more than I could fit into any hub series.

In general the Bible gives poor moral advice and there's a lot of stories in the Bible where the lessons to be learned aren't ones we should be teaching ourselves or our children. So here, once again, are some more Bible verses NOT TO LIVE BY.

Passage 1 - Revenge on the Amalekites

Human beings have, for thousands of years, engaged in war. In fact possibly the oldest profession, after prostitute, is soldier. War is hell they say. So you would think that, war being hell and all, the good God of the Bible, merciful and just, would want to stay away from war right? Such isn't the case.

The Old Testament is full of wars during which God is on one side of the conflict or another. Usually he's rooting for the Israelite home team but every so often his “chosen” people do something to piss him off and get him going against him. So with God condoning and sometimes even commanding war you'd think he'd be a fairly merciful general, perhaps even conforming to something like the Geneva convention.

The truth, however, is that God is going to show how petty and barbaric he is yet again, he's going to seek out revenge on the Amalekites, a group of people who did bad things to the Israelites earlier on. The following passage can be found in 1 Samuel 15:1-3

“Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the LORD sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the LORD. This is what the LORD Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

Modern bullets used in warfare are typically what's called NATO rounds, these are bullets designed specifically to maim, not kill. Mercy and compassion, even in the face of bloodshed, is something we humans have been working at. God on the other hand apparently thinks that putting infants to the sword of his chosen people is perfectly acceptable. I hope and know that our military men and women around the globe will show more mercy than the vengeful Old Testament deity.

Passage 2 - Immolating your Only Daughter

God loves burning stuff. Whenever a sin offering was to be presented it was to be presented as a burnt offering. Usually this was done through animal sacrifice but there are a few times during that wonderful inspiring Bible when human beings are the ones who are sacrificed.

Of course there is the NEAR sacrifice of Isaac that everyone is familiar with. Fewer people, however, are familiar with the story of Jephthah and his daughter. For a little background, Jephthah was a warrior, a soldier, and he was on his way to war. He'd already been at war for a while and God had been guiding him in battle but then the spirit of the Lord came to Jephthah and apparently moved him to make a promise.

“Then the Spirit of the LORD came on Jephthah. He crossed Gilead and Manasseh, passed through Mizpah of Gilead, and from there he advanced against the Ammonites. And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD: “If you give the Ammonites into my hands, whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the LORD’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.”

Jepthah's promise comes back to haunt him later on in the chapter (Judges 11) when he returns victorious from battle and it's his daughter who walks out of the door. Presumably Jephthah goes through with the sacrifice as planned, since the Bible says that his daughter went away for a while to weep for her virginity. There'd be no reason to weep about being a virgin if you got to continue on your merry way, but plenty if you were about to be burned alive in sacrifice to an evil God.

So the moral of the story is? When the spirit of the Lord comes upon you and moves you to do stupid shit and make stupid promises, try not to make any promises you wouldn't be willing to keep. The other moral of the story, apparently God does accept human sacrifices. After all as an all powerful deity he had every opportunity to stop Jephthah in much the same way he'd stopped Abraham. No such luck Jeph, chuck her on the fire.

Passage 3 - Freedom of Religion?

It's no secret that Yahweh is a jealous asshole, how jealous is he? So jealous that if you worship any other God besides him you deserve to be put to death. It seems that God is not a big fan of people exercising all the vast quantities of free will he bestowed upon them. Forget about freedom of religion, just serve Yahweh – OR ELSE.

This gem is from Exodus 22:20 which is another of those chapters that could be copy and pasted word for word into this hub, nearly every verse is absolute barbaric drivel.

“Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed.”

There are lot's of other verses scattered throughout the Bible which warn against practicing your God given free will to worship other Gods. From the 10 Commandments saying you shall have no other Gods before Yahweh right through to Revelations where those that bow down to the Beast are tortured, slaughtered and eventually burned in the Lake of Fire.

Passage 4 - Family Ties

Jesus often gets a free pass from non-Christians and even many of my fellow atheists seem to just glance over much of what Jesus says in the Gospels. While I'll readily admit Jesus isn't evil, the way the Old Testament God is, he does say plenty of questionable and objectionable things. Among the most obvious is Jesus' declaration that you have to love him MORE than you love the rest of your family in order to be worthy of him and the “Kingdom”.

This can be found in Chapter 10 of the Gospel of Matthew. Just previous to this Jesus admits that he hasn't come to Earth to bring peace but has instead been sent to bring a “sword”. He then explains the division his message will create (though he fails to foresee the Inquisitions). After this the supposed Prince of Peace makes the stunning declaration:

“37“Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. “

That's right folks, drop everything, pick up your Cross and love Jesus MORE than you love anyone in your actual family. Now maybe this would be possible if you were a disciple sitting with Jesus on the shore of Galilee but for a modern human being, removed from Jesus by around two thousand years, it's pretty much impossible. Why is it impossible you ask? Well have you ever tried to LOVE someone you've never met or even seen? Sure you can get yourself into a mindset and convince yourself you love them, people do it all the time with their favorite attractive celebrity but it's not actually love is it?

Oh sure there's paintings of Jesus and plenty of Crucifixes depict his brutalized body on the cross but most of these depict Jesus as a CAUCASIAN man. Jesus was a Middle Eastern Jew, not only was his skin tone darker than most white people but the first century AD wasn't exactly a time when a poor carpenter turned vagrant prophet had opportunity to bathe regularly. Chances are Jesus was dirty and circumstances guarantee that he was not white.

Sorry Christians this means staring longingly at your favorite depiction of Jesus might as well be idol worship, and you know what God has to say about that. Good luck loving Jesus more than you love your family.

Passage 5 - Non-Virgin Mobile

God is obsessed with sex and he is absolutely sure he doesn't want you to do it before marriage however there are circumstances where being a Virgin can be advantageous to your survival, if you don't mind being taken prisoner and raped that is. What am I talking about? Well it's no secret that after a hard won battle the Israelites liked to take the spoils of war, and that included their share of slaves. Some people taken prisoner during battle were undoutedly female.

“Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the LORD in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.” - Numbers 31:15-17

God sends Moses, the righteous hero who led his people out of Egypt, to seek bloody revenge on the Midianites. After this the soldiers return with some prisoners of war and Moses asks them a peculiar question. Moses demands that they sort out the virgins from the dirty whores who seduced the Israelites into being unfaithful to God. The boys and the sluts are to be killed, the virgins however are given as slaves to the soldiers. They are to be “KEPT FOR YOURSELVES”.

Christians who read this SHOULD be throwing up in their mouths as they realize in complete revulsion what utter fools they were to even consider the Bible a source for morality or truth in the first place. They won't be doing that, of course, because they're conditioned to rationalize away such horrors.

Conclusion

To anyone looking at the Bible with moral honesty and empathy there can be only one conclusion, the Bible is not a book to live by. But for those taught to trust in this terrible tome crammed with bad ideas things are a bit more complex, especially for those who've read the entire thing and somehow remained Christians. For them faith has overwhelmed their common decency, or their minds have been able to compartmentalize well enough to bypass their moral senses entirely.

Beyond the factual errors, historical inaccuracies and logical inconsistencies lies a Bible ripe for the picking with alarmingly poor moral advice to give. For more Bible Verses NOT to live by just read the Bible for yourself, I guarantee it won't take long to find one.

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WD Curry 111 4 years ago from Space Coast

Here's the deal. You are relating to an unrealistic image of God. Lean not on your own understanding. What happened Titen-Sxull? Did a nun kick your puppy, or what?

I like you, but you shouldn't call call God an asshole. He can take it. As a matter of fact, it was nailed to the cross with him already.

I'm going to do something for you. I will lift you up in prayer. Tell me how it goes.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

WD Curry - Did a nun give you your first sexual experience? Or was it a priest?

"Lean not on your own understanding"? Yep, it's so much easier to lean on (or be nailed to) a cross.

Aside from the fact that God allows his own son to be tortured and killed in his name, you just blindly accept the "fact" that God loves you. Wow, I sure hope he hates me! I would not want to be his child. Not with all the asshole things he did to his "chosen" people.

How can you justify WORSHIPING this load of crap in the books of the bible? Are you paying attention at all?


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emmaspeaks 4 years ago from Kansas City

Awesome hub!!! Voted up!And WD Curry, grow up, or at least grow a pair. It's so convenient that christians retaliate in such a childish manner when confronted with the painful truth. God IS an asshole, the biggest one. So suck it up. You worship an asshole. Get over it.


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Titen-Sxull 4 years ago from back in the lab again Author

@WD Curry 111

Pretty sure a God who's willing to kill innocent children fits the definition of asshole nicely.


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Paladin_ 4 years ago from Michigan, USA

Another great list of Bible verses, Titen. But even these additional examples don't tell the whole story.

For example, the women in Numbers 31 were the lucky ones. Usually, when God orders a slaughter of a people (as he does MANY, MANY times in the Bible), he specifies the death and destruction of everything that "breatheth."

Sometimes, however, he'll make a special example, as in Hosea 13:16, where the Samarians are destined to "fall by the sword," and "their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."

I'll bet they don't shout that verse outside Planned Parenthood.


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PlanksandNails 4 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ

Titen-Skull,

To simply pick apart Bible verses that one disapproves of is common, but is futile to the true follower's of Jesus Christ.

“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. - John 6:44

Unless the Father has drawn you, there is no certainty that He truly exists or that the Bible holds any truths whatsoever. According to Scripture, man cannot prove God, only He does. From that, comes faith in God ways through Jesus Christ if one chooses to follow Him.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. - Hebrews 11:1

It is a pointless endeavour to try to persuade a true believer otherwise, but entertaining the skeptics is another matter.

If the Father hasn't drawn someone, there is no certainty of His existence.

If the Father has drawn someone, there is a choice to serve and rely on Him, or continue in your own ways.

It is impossible for a follower of Jesus Christ to become an atheist because God has already proven Himself to that person. The default position would be knowing that God exists, but denying Him because you decide your ways are better than His.


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Titen-Sxull 4 years ago from back in the lab again Author

"It is impossible for a follower of Jesus Christ to become an atheist because God has already proven Himself to that person"

Most atheists I've talked to were believers at one point. There are even support groups for Pastors and Priests who've lost their faith and no longer believe. The claim that no true Christian can ever become an atheist is a No True Scotsman argument, it's fallacious nonsense at best and a pathetic defense mechanism of the believer's fragile faith at worst.

It was Bible verses like the ones I listed above that led to my initial doubts and eventual rejection of Christianity. All of this while I was a "Spirit Filled" believer attending a Pentecostal church, able to "speak in tongues" and the whole nine yards (none of which is actually "proof" of any God). I am a living contradiction of your fallacious understanding of your own faith.


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PlanksandNails 4 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ

("It was Bible verses like the ones I listed above that led to my initial doubts and eventual rejection of Christianity.")

The Bible is evidence of God, but does not prove Him. The Bible verses I gave you explains to the true believer your predicament.

(All of this while I was a "Spirit Filled" believer attending a Pentecostal church, able to "speak in tongues" and the whole nine yards (none of which is actually "proof" of any God).")

I will agree with you here. I could put on a cape and tights and go "doot do do do!" and do the whole nine yards, but does that really make me a super hero? That is evidence of fragile faith.


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emmaspeaks 4 years ago from Kansas City

Planksandnails, if you are basing your entire argument on faith you fail. Faith is a personal thing and has no business in any argument. Take your faith elsewhere. If you want to prove something you need to base it on facts, plain and simple. No two people, christian or not, or going to have the exact same experience, therefore your argument fails. Faith is as inconsistent and as changing as weather. And I might add that the weather can at least be in the ballpark every now and then whereas faith cannot be proven, nor can it be used to prove anything else. Anyone can say, "this is so because I believe it to be so." Big deal. I am not impressed. And I agree with Titen. I, too was once a christian. So, you fail yet again. Man, you suck at this.


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Titen-Sxull 4 years ago from back in the lab again Author

@PlanksandNails

Saying that my faith was fragile would be a compliment but actually for a great many years I used that faith to suppress natural doubts I had. That's all faith is, in fact, the suppression of doubt. After years of suppressing those doubts and wallowing in the warm fuzzy feelings (and fear and guilt) that religion gave me I eventually set out to read the entire Bible.

After reading all the horrible things that are laid at the feet of the God of the Bible I could no longer suppress those doubts. So PlanksandNails, is your faith so strong that it smothers your doubts? And is it a good thing to cover over your natural skepticism with blind belief?


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PlanksandNails 4 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ

("After years of suppressing those doubts and wallowing in the warm fuzzy feelings (and fear and guilt) that religion gave me...")

Unfortunately, that is the religion that most churches portray today, which I believe is false.

("After reading all the horrible things that are laid at the feet of the God of the Bible I could no longer suppress those doubts.")

The result of the horrible things that do and will happen is the result of separation from our Creator. The Bible is evidence of that, no matter how we may feel about it. Whether you or I agree or not, does not change who God is. We either accept Him or we don't.

I believe there are three types of people:

1. Those who don't believe in God yet because He has not proven Himself to them.

2. Those who believe in God because He has proven Himself, and we accept the faith He has given to follow Him.

3. Those who believe in God because He has proven Himself, but the decision is made to deny Him and continue to purposefully oppose His ways.

If people truly know what it means to be a true follower of Jesus Christ, they would realize it is not the warm and fuzzy, spoiled, pampered, pillow talking, feel-good religion that is promoted today. Most of the atheism I see is a result of the collateral damage that man-made religion has caused.

I don't agree with coercive blind faith that religious man provides, but the faith that only God can provide to bring the true knowledge of Him.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Eeewwww.


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Titen-Sxull 4 years ago from back in the lab again Author

"The result of the horrible things that do and will happen is the result of separation from our Creator."

This is a cop-out and a poorly reasoned one at that. You cannot label God's decision in the Bible to do lot's evil things as the fault of human beings or blame it on separation. That separation would have begun after the Fall of man, after God cursed humanity, so either way it would be God's fault, he decided to curse Adam and Eve instead of to forgive them.

No amount of sin excuses, for instance, mass genocide.

"I believe there are three types of people:"

False Dichotomy, there are more than three types of people. Your three choices appear merely a defense mechanism because you refuse to see the obvious and quite valid reasons for rejecting Christianity.

"but the faith that only God can provide to bring the true knowledge of Him."

Faith is not a way of knowing anything. Faith in the supernatural and knowledge of reality are directly opposed with one another. Faith asks you to believe without question, knowledge, if you truly value truth, demands that you question everything.

If you had knowledge of God it would be based on evidence, as you say God has "proven" himself to you, not on faith. So what evidence did God provide you with?


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PlanksandNails 4 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ

("That separation would have begun after the Fall of man, after God cursed humanity, so either way it would be God's fault, he decided to curse Adam and Eve instead of to forgive them.")

God did forgive them; animals were sacrificed for skins to cover them, and to atone for their sin against Him. The consequences they still had to walk out. The collateral of the Fall is the result of the curse on mankind today. Our only atonement today is through Jesus Christ.

...God has said, ‘You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will *die*.’” - Genesis 3:2

The LORD God made garments of *skin* for Adam and his wife, and clothed them. Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”— therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken. - Genesis 3:21-23

("No amount of sin excuses, for instance, mass genocide.")

There was the Great Flood which was the result of man's disobedience towards God.

("False Dichotomy, there are more than three types of people.")

Please feel free to add some more based on the Biblical paradigm. Apart from that, I would agree.

("Faith is not a way of knowing anything.")

According to Scripture:

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. - Hebrews 11:1

Apart from Scripture, we can define faith anyway we please.

Ultimately, there are is no point in living out, or even trying to live out any Bible verses at all. Without the knowledge or belief in the spiritual or God, there is no truth in pretending.

“God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” - John 4:24

Doing otherwise is like putting the cart before the horse.

("So what evidence did God provide you with?")

In a nutshell, I had an injury and then a few months later, had a brush with death. Through it God revealed the collateral damage that would follow and what would happen. I wrote it down many years ago and have it today as evidence. Through the humility of the process, my purpose and outlook of my life changed. My faith is based on a personal informed decision, not a blind one, after God drew me and the dots connected. I cannot prove this to you nor can I recreate it in a lab experiment. I went from a sceptical #1. person to the #2. person from my above comment.


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Titen-Sxull 4 years ago from back in the lab again Author

"The collateral of the Fall is the result of the curse on mankind today."

This was probably the first instance (of many) of God being unjust in the Bible. Adam and Eve do something wrong and the entire creation is cursed. According to you Adam and Eve were forgiven, but that didn't exactly lift the curse from the rest of the world now did it? Also, if Adam and Eve were forgiven than why are all human beings supposedly born with original sin?

"There was the Great Flood which was the result of man's disobedience towards God."

Genocide is wrong no matter who did what to whom first. If a Jewish man spills hot coffee on Hitler Hitler doesn't get to drown the man's children. Yet Yahweh, loving and perfect God of the Bible, drowns baby children, puppies, kittens, etc all of which did nothing wrong over the sins of OTHER human beings.

"Apart from Scripture, we can define faith anyway we please."

Add to that that scripture can define faith anyway it pleases, after all scripture calls a God who condones slavery perfect. Word definitions go by their USAGE primarily. Faith has two primary definitions: Trust and Belief without proof/evidence, many Christians claim to have BOTH in regards to God but it's the second one I'm concerned with.

"after God drew me and the dots connected"

I have first hand experience with the emotional persuasiveness of religion, as well as what it's like to convince yourself that there's something supernatural in an ordinary experience. If God exists and wants human beings to value truth and come to him he'll cut the faith crap and present us with some verifiable evidence.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

P&N - Can't you just simply admit that the Bible has some unjust and odd rules that no longer apply to today's people? Or must you continue to live by the "inerrant" word?

If God made the rule, "Thou shall not kill", why does he break that rule continually?


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PlanksandNails 4 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ

("This was probably the first instance (of many) of God being unjust in the Bible.")

That is God's justice for disobedience, you either accept it, or you don't.

("If God exists and wants human beings to value truth and come to him he'll cut the faith crap and present us with some verifiable evidence.")

He doesn't change how He does things according to how we want Him to be.

The objective verifiable evidence will be when He returns, but without faith at that time, it will be too late.

("I have first hand experience with the emotional persuasiveness of religion")

I do not agree that using emotional coercion is right.

("what it's like to convince yourself that there's something supernatural in an ordinary experience.")

Man cannot prove God, nor does the Bible say it is self-convincing process.

God in the Bible is both merciful and severe. In the end, we will all submit to our destiny in one way or the other. The rules are made for His people, not for God.


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PlanksandNails 4 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ

Austinstar,

("Can't you just simply admit that the Bible has some unjust and odd rules that no longer apply to today's people?")

The OT is law and the NT is grace through Jesus Christ.

God's judgement on people will pale in comparison to NT of the coming judgement at the end time. In the book of Revelation, God will judge and kill billions of people who have rejected Jesus Christ upon His return.

God will judge those who oppose Him and will atone for those who have truly followed Him.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Of course! (Austinstar slapping forehead) God is ABOVE the laws, even his own.

Yes, we will all find out the day we cease existing in the form of a body. Some of us already know.


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Titen-Sxull 4 years ago from back in the lab again Author

"That is God's justice for disobedience, you either accept it, or you don't."

Justice has a pretty clear definition, even we mortals understand the basic idea of fairness. So what's "just" in God punishing OTHER animals for the sin of Adam and Eve? It's not about rejecting God's version of justice, it's about God fulfilling the definition of INJUSTICE.

"but without faith at that time, it will be too late."

Then God has decided he wants to damn people and has refused to present said evidence until it is too late.

"I do not agree that using emotional coercion is right."

Emotional coercion is one of Christianity's most powerful tools. If I hadn't been stricken with crushing guilt and told that everything I did or even THOUGHT could damn me to Hell I would have never accepted Jesus at nine years old. If I hadn't received warm and fuzzy feelings while praying as a teenager I wouldn't have had any reason to believe in God.

"The rules are made for His people, not for God."

The calling God GOOD is worthless. If God can commit the most henious and horrific evils than he isn't a GOOD God. If God cannot be held to his OWN rules, and his own standards, than he's a hypocrite. Like the pot smoking parent who punishes his teenage kid for taking up the same habit God is setting a really shitty example.


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PlanksandNails 4 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ

The word "rah" (evil) in Hebrew can mean many things, and contextually, God does not create evil in a moral sense, but in the "sense" of calamity or disaster. The consequences of disobedience to Him is His justice. The Bible says ALL man is sinful; therefore, not exempt from His discipline or punishment. Many have interpreted His punishments as "evil."

("If God can commit the most henious and horrific evils than he isn't a GOOD God.")

God does not make rules for Himself, He does not go against His nature.

The religiosity of man has distorted people's perception of who God really is throughout history. Unfortunately, it seems that you are a part of that collateral damage.

("it's about God fulfilling the definition of INJUSTICE.")

God is infinitely righteous within Himself. When God acts out His justice, it is not doing so to conform to some outside criteria such as some law, principle, standard, or opinion that is outside of Himself.

God's justice is the application from His morality, not ours.

True salvation comes from renouncing your own so called righteousness or morality, and trust in the righteousness of God through Jesus Christ.


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Titen-Sxull 4 years ago from back in the lab again Author

"God's justice is the application from His morality, not ours."

God's morality: condones slavery and plans on burning people for eternity. No one deserves to be enslaved or tortured for eternity NO MATTER WHAT they've done.

You're a lost cause friend and I feel sorry that you have drowned your empathy, compassion and morality. You are literally DEFENDING GENOCIDE, CHILD MURDER, as being RIGHTEOUS. It's disgusting, saddening, but unfortunately just the type of stupidity I've learned to expect from believers.


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BobMonger 4 years ago from Carlin, Nevada USA

You have certainly brought the "lunatic fringe" out of the woodwork with this one. I'm a big fan of the new covenant, but you folks seem to have crossed that line. Yikes! I'll stick with "love your neighbor as you would yourself" and leave it at that. I can see why some won't believe; if heaven is filled with y'all I'd rather not be there. Small wonder churches are failing with you folks as front men for them. Sheesh!!!


shay 3 years ago

I read the bible & you are right.That is not the word of our creatof. It infprmation about god & the devil. It was edited by the catholic church toget people fearful. That's the art of war. Jesus real name was yashua ben yosef. He had the romans fearing revolution & had the religious leaders jealous, so they falsely accused him. No matter what you read, there's 50% nonsense cause of the human need to dominate & control. God does exist but he is not self rightious, bitter & petty. The perception of how we comprehend come from a sand scritp called the holy vedas. It created german, greek, latin & english. If you read the bible from a totally non fearful or bias point of view, you'll see for yourself. God gonna give us a life, to experience & learn, then guilt trip us in the end? You are right, that's bullshit.


Lybrah 3 years ago

This is what you wrote:

"So the moral of the story is? When the spirit of the Lord comes upon you and moves you to do stupid shit and make stupid promises, try not to make any promises you wouldn't be willing to keep. "

and

"It's no secret that Yahweh is a jealous asshole, how jealous is he?"

Statements like these are insensitive, offensive, and intolerant. You are a hypocrite---you wrote in your other hub that atheists are not angry, but you seem really angry to me. Watch your tone when you're speaking about the Holy Father.


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

What I said in my other hub was that atheists are not angry at God. That doesn't mean that some atheists aren't angry. With that being said I was not angry when I wrote this hub, in fact those comments are meant to be funny to my predominantly agnostic/atheist readers. Insensitive? Sure, but then I try to support a "make fun of the beliefs, not the believers" approach to things. I'm not going to be afraid to make fun of beliefs I deem silly or nonsensical.

There is nothing Holy about the God of the Bible. There is also no reason to talk in a reverent tone about such an incompetent and barbaric ancient deity. Perhaps, instead of pretending to get offended, you ought to look critically at your beliefs.


Lybrah 3 years ago

Interesting how you're not knocking Islam, Buddhism, or Hinduism...just saying


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

I was born and raised a Christian in America, America is a predominantly Christian society, so I fail to see how it's surprising or interesting that I would know more about Christianity and the Bible and thus be able to criticize it more easily and in a better informed way.


Lybrah 3 years ago

I will be praying for you, that you have a change of heart, that this would be only a phase you are going through...perhaps you are just rebelling against your parents. Perhaps one day you will see the light.


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

That's a nice sentiment, I guess. And I'll continue to hope that you start paying attention to the content of my hubs instead of ignoring the facts of how barbaric and obviously fictional the Christian God is.


Lybrah 3 years ago

Your hubs are well written. However, take the beliefs of some 17 year old kid who's mad at his parents over the bible? Nah.


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

I'm 24 years old genius. My location is listed as "in my parents basement" as a joke, the same reason my profile picture has me dressed as a viking. Once again you'd rather pretend to know things about me, rather than pay attention to what I'm saying and think deeply about what you believe and why.


Lybrah 3 years ago

I've been paying attention to what you're saying. I respect your opinion, although it is different from mine. However, you look really young in your picture.


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

It was taken about four years ago so that's understandable. You don't have to respect my opinion, I'd rather have you truly think about what I'm saying than merely respect it and walk away.


Lybrah 3 years ago

You should think about what I'm saying instead...I guess that means you're not going to follow me... LOL


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

You have yet to say anything, at least on my own hubs, that I haven't already heard a thousand times over. It's been years since I've heard an argument for Christianity that hasn't already been refuted a thousand times over.


Lybrah 3 years ago

You should check out the book, The Case for Christ. It was written by an ex-atheist who ended up believing. Seriously. Read it.


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

That's the one by Lee Strobel. Strobel's arguments are about as impressive as those by William Lane Craig, and by that I mean a child could tear them to shreds.


Lybrah 3 years ago

Wow. You are very intelligent and you know your stuff. It's too bad we believers lost you to "the other side.." :)


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

Thanks.

I'd gladly believe in a god of some kind if one could be verified with some good evidence. Though admittedly the gods of most religions are all likely fictional I'm open to the idea of there being something "god-like" out there in the Universe, be it a super advanced alien, a Time Lord, etc. The issue is that there's just no evidence for any of that and when it comes to the gods of most religions there actually tend to be facts and logic stacked against their existence.

There's plenty more for us humans to learn about the Universe, so there's no use closing the door on the possibility of a deity somewhere out there, but then there's also no reason to accept ridiculous nonsense to make ourselves feel better or fill in the gaps in our understanding.


faith 3 years ago

you r very intelligent, GOD said lean not to ur own understanding just trust him and u will feel that peace in you that 's GOD telling you that he LOVES YOU, even when his desiples betrayed him(judas) god still for gave and love so i want you to know that no matter what you think of who he is just trust him HE LOVES YOU AND HE WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU...


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Titen-Sxull 3 years ago from back in the lab again Author

"GOD said lean not to ur own understanding"

Did God say that? Or was it just in the Bible? The Bible is not a collection of things God said, it was written by men.


Silent Joe 3 years ago

Planks and Nails said: "According to Scripture, man cannot prove God, only He does."

As an argument, this is circular logic that must be cast aside for debate purposes. It only holds as a claim of faith.

Me, I happen to believe Peter Pan proved to me his existence...

Planks and Nails wrote: "It is a pointless endeavour to try to persuade a true believer otherwise...."

I agree.

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