Muslim World: how Muslims will take over the world via population growth and immigration

In case you didn't know Islam is one of the fastest growing religions in the entire world. Some statisticians have said that for every 1 non-Muslim child born there are 8 Muslim children born in the world and that number is conservative. Others say that the rate is more like 3 to 1. Regardless of the number, think about that. The Muslims don't have to do anything, they will rule the world by virtue of their numbers.

According to America Speaks Inc.com the birth rate a society needs to break even and not start to disappear is 2.1 babies per woman. Anything less than that, the culture disappears in a matter of three generations or more. The math can’t be argued. No culture has ever survived once it reached the breaking point 1.3 babies per woman. The United States birth rate is 2.1. Canada, New Zealand, Germany, Russia, Spain and Italy are all between 1 and 2 percent.

Now let’s take a look at some Muslims countries, Afghanistan is 47.02 per 1000 people, Albania 15.08 per 1000 people, Niger 7.46, Mali 7.42, Somalia 6.76, Afghanistan 6.69,Yemen 6.58. I think you can start to get the idea here. Muslim populations are filling up the birth shortfalls all throughout Europe and have already started taking over the European culture.

In America in 1970 there were over 1,000 Muslims in America, today there are over 9 million.

Part of the reason that the Muslim population has exceeded most other populations is that Muslims do not, by and large, practice abortion and have other restrictions on certain kinds of birth control. Abortion takes the lives of over 1 million babies each year in America alone. Additionally, other religious groups such as Catholics and religious Jews have seen their birth rate plummet with the onset of more lax attitudes towards birth control and abortion. I was raised Catholic. My great grandmother had 16 children and my grandmother had 9. My father's family had 9 children as well. My mother and father had only 2 and I only have 1. I believe that we are the norm for families raised Catholic.


Nevertheless, statistics show that Muslim fertility rates drop after immigrating to a new country. In addition, second generation Muslim women tend to have fewer children often taking on the host countries preference for smaller families. However, women whether Christian or Muslim who espouse strong religious views tend to have higher fertility rates and marry at a younger age than women who don't hold these views. In other words, the more fundamentally religious a young Muslim woman is the more children she will have. It's a disaster in the making!

Not only is the religion a threat because of it's tendency towards violence but I think the real concern here is the threat of a Muslim takeover of western culture and law. Attempts to install "creeping" Sharia laws into the United States system of government have caused a backlash resulting in many states passing anti-Sharia laws in order to thwart this perceived threat. Sharia law is literally translated as "the path" and it is a combination of the Koran and the Hadith which is a collection of words and deeds of Muhammad. The most concerning aspects of Sharia law might be the death penalty for apostasy, it's treatment of women and it's opposition to certain expressions of freedom of speech. Many Muslim countries have severe penalties for people who convert to religions other than Muslim. Women can be divorced under Sharia law by saying "I divorce you" three times, they are also not allowed to marry non-Muslims and are considered inferior to men under the law. A woman can only prove that she has been raped if she has 4 male witnesses, and if she is returned to her family, her family is encouraged to kill her in order to restore honor to the family. At the same time a man can have 4 wives included a "temporary" wife (read prostitute) for one hour. Moreover, we are all familiar with the huge outcry in the Netherlands when a cartoon depiction of Mohammed was published. . As long as the Muslim population remains a minority this fear is kept to a minimum but as the population rises the fear will rise as well. What could be at issue here is the very Muslims who are having the most children tend to also be the more extreme.


We live in a pluralistic society and I think most Americans would agree that freedom of religion is a good thing. I think the most important thing we can take from this information is that as long as any group (even a group that I do not agree with) can be tolerant of other groups that that group has a right and a place within the United States. As Voltaire once said, I may disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it... However, if a group begins to dictate how others should live...well that's a different kettle of fish! Unfortunately the tolerance track record of Islamic countries towards other religions is not very encouraging as most if not all Muslim countries have strict laws forbidding the practice of other religions. For example in Saudi Arabia the practice of proselytizing by other religions is illegal and to convert to another religion carries the death penalty and this is not at all unusual for Muslim countries.

Muslims have taken over several towns in Britain and in other parts of Europe already and also in America (Dearborn, MI is one).

In twenty years Muslims will be able to elect the next president in the United States!

I really don't know what the answer is to this problem but I do know that something must be done NOW in order to stop this from happening. Your suggestions are encouraged.

Were you aware that the Muslim Population was growing so fast?

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foreignpress 6 years ago from Denver

Now you've done it. The Muslims will openly condemn your hub and you'll have to retract everything you've written. Not only do the Muslims have a high conversion rate, but they use fear and intimidation to coerce universities and heads of state to cater to their whims. And mosques are springing up everywhere -- even two blocks from the World Trade Center site. Like Salmon Rushdie you'll have to go into hiding. Be wary of white powder in your mail. As far as having more babies? Yes, that would be fun.


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA

If people might miss your video, they really need to see it (below)!! Right on. America could start by not killing 2 million babies each year by abortion; for just killing one child kills its future generations, too. Wake UP, America!!!


"Quill" 6 years ago

I agree completely with JD on this one.

Great Hub as always

Blessings


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Tchardo 6 years ago

Have more babies... and then the world will collapse upon the weight of our overpopulation, and you may as well skip straight to the self-destructive nuclear assault right now.

There will always be some "other", some group or other which is a threat in its being different from what one defines oneself by... and you cannot keep a foot on the world's neck forever. What about China and India? They're not Christian or American!

There are advantages and disadvantages alike in Muslim culture. The same can definitely be said for America.

There is also a wide variety in the Muslim world. Different sects, different traditions, different levels of education. It is changing in some places, and that is mostly because of closer relations between the Muslim world and the West. I think a product of the two cultures would be amazing, actually... a moderation both in one's excessive materialism and the intellect run wild, and in the other's cultural isolation and in its fanaticism (where that is present).

I do worry about overpopulation in the developing world, though, and in troubled regions. Life will not be good there. Studies show that rates of reproduction decrease with education... and the Muslim world is becoming more educated outside of its religion, so I don't think things will be all THAT bad. Sure, troublesome, but not apocalyptic... necessarily... hopefully... maybe? But then we have to worry about overpopulation elsewhere as well: India, China, Africa.

The only thing I can think of is to have international agreements on population control by way of drugs in food which sterilize people while the substance is in their bodies. Sure, it's horrible, but it's better than the end of the world, and it's temporary and reversible. No abortion necessary.

Uh oh. Did I just use the "a" word? :)

Keep in mind that I can at least agree to disagree lol.


Two Kids Will Do 6 years ago

Encouraging population growth is ludicrous. There are enough people already, of all religions. Contraception is what needs to be encouraged, especially among populations where growth exceeds replacement level.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

I find it very interesting that in the Book of Revelations the method of execution is beheading. I think this will happen, it fits.

Contraception is what got us into this mess. I'm encouraging my son to have at least 6 kids!

Thanks for commenting everyone.


EnLydia Listener 6 years ago

Brie, thanks for this information...those who have been taught by the lying schools and lying media would believe that we should NOT have babies...and should depopulate....God said be fruitful and multiply...I agree that evangelism is important....maybe the best answer


CW2 Mike 6 years ago

Brie-

I'm sending you links to 4 *very* important films and an interview with Bill Maher on the subject. Initially the content may be difficult to digest for the post-modernists in your audience, but keep thinking about the recent bomb attack on the times square offices of viacom for the southpark cartoon, think of theo van gough, remember Rifqa Bary... we are knee-deep in a religious war wether or not we define it as such; Jihad is a religious obligation. I can hear a whole bunch of folks sucking their teeth while reading this; OK, educate yourself. Remain ignorant at your own peril.

"THE THIRD JIHAD" The Movie

http://vimeo.com/6469419

"WHAT THE WEST NEEDS TO KNOW" The Movie

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797...

"FITNA" The Movie

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/03/here-is-fitna.ht...

"SUICIDE KILLERS" The Movie

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-567122026...

"CNN: Interview with BILL MAHER"

http://cnn.com/video/?/video/showbiz/2010/05/05/ac.bill.maher.intv.cnn


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

I'll look at it when I get a chance Mike.


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Tchardo 6 years ago

Doesn't this sort of seem sort of hypocritical?


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA

For those FOR population control, think about this: how many babies are/were killed by abortion that may have contributed to industries, jobs, strenthened the economy, etc.? Who might have been president of the U.S. or become life-giving rulers in other countries? How many were powerful evangelists? Evil has sought to kill the righteous from the get-go at the cost of innocent babies' lives. Pharaoh wanted the Hebrew babies killed in Egypt (thus, Moses was rescued); Herod had all the two-year-old and younger boys killed in Bethlehem trying to destroy Jesus ~ both holy mediators could have been killed as children!! Why? The evil rulers of this world were threatened. That spirit hasn't ceased to exist and works through the mothers that choose to kill their unborn children. One thing's for sure; God will indeed rescue the righteous as He's promised when His wrath soon falls upon this ever increasingly wicked world. He said it will be as it was in the days of Noah and Lot, and we are not to marvel. His ways are not our ways, but He is faithful. Amen.


foreignpress 6 years ago from Denver

The innocent always seem to suffer the most and, ultimately, to perish. However, the issue is how to prevent the rise of Islam and other designer religions. It seems that the further we go into the future the more watered down the Bible becomes. But Islam is taking a beating elsewhere. Belgium has banned the burka and niqab in public places. Switzerland has seriously restricted the building of mosques and France is on track to follow. Scandinavian countries -- regretting their liberal stance on rampant immigration -- are restricting the Muslim influence. The world is supposed to be harmonious and in balance. But certain groups are intent on domination such as Islam and what we're seeing in the U.S. Southwest. It is imperative we fight back on Muslim dictates and threats of terror. Brie is in an elite class of those who stand firm.


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Joni Douglas 6 years ago

Great hub Brie, on a subject we should all be paying attention to. Hope Mike doesn't mind I, I saved the videos.


CW2 Mike 6 years ago

No, I don't mind at all. By all means; please give it the widest distribution possible. I am constantly amazed at how many folks will reject this information out of hand without even looking at it.

That's like deciding to pet a lion because it's basically a cat.

There is actually a jihadi name for the demographic war: "Jihad of the Womb". No fooling, look it up.

I like Brie's idea of "out-populating" the other folks; that's great work if you can get it.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

LOL, too bad I've passed my time :)


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Tchardo 6 years ago

I don't like abortion. I think that it is like bringing a life/soul into this world only to flush it before it can figure out what life is... it's a big question mark as to what happens to such a thing, what sort of reincarnation or afterlife might await it... I'm basically with Hillary Clinton on how women cannot be healthy without the choice to carry a pregnancy past whatever that loosely-determined point where a pregnancy becomes a separate awareness. It's a necessary evil else we'll be overwhelmed with unwanted and unparented children.

"how many babies are/were killed by abortion that may have contributed to industries, jobs, strenthened the economy, etc.? Who might have been president of the U.S. or become life-giving rulers in other countries? How many were powerful evangelists?"

You mean the economic system which isn't sustainable anyway? That isn't a factor to me at this stage of how nations are developing; things are too sensitive... the stakes to be gambled on overpopulation when we can't even manage to live together at the stage we're at now, can't control or reasonably discount weapons of mass destruction which are available to ANYONE... the more of us there are, the harder it is for us to come together by any means other than authoritarianism or war.

Our industries just keep us in decadent circumstances. We don't need what we're told we want just because we're told we want it so many times.

How do you justify evaluating the value of a human life in terms of station in the public eye?

Anyway, I don't think breeding is going to solve the question of immigration circumventing culture. The problem is with us relying on immigrants too much at the expense of North American values. I'm all in favor of multiculturalism to an extent, but I do agree that if nothing is done American culture will be swallowed, and probably forgotten. If we invested more in each other instead of competed with each other so intensely, and stopped giving all our jobs to immigrants (no matter how skilled or amazing many of them may be), then we would have more people happy simply living and raising families. Happy people have children, and insecure divided ones generally allow themselves to escape into intellectual preoccupations.

When it comes down to it, the answer isn't fighting people like Muslims... it's going to be found in supporting and providing for your own. Positive efforts, not negative ones. What comes around goes around, and is better for everyone. This is why efforts such as white empowerment fail... they don't actually build anything but fear and conceit.

Economy is not as important as identity, nor as important as the greater circumstance awaiting us. I'd gladly take another great depression over nuclear war, how about you?


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

We will have both in the near future. I don't believe overpopulation is a problem, I believe it is a made up problem. The problem is the problem of evil and of the rich evil exploiting the poor.

I am all for Christians having lots and lots of babies. I think it should be greatly encouraged.


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no body 6 years ago from Rochester, New York

The problem is Brie, that we Christians don't use our faith as a hammer to strike the children over the head. We train and model. We reason and implore just like Christ did with us. We don't say If you don't do as I do we will take your head or If you don't become Christian you will be hated and ignored. Instead most Christians don't even train up their kids to love the Lord. Most raise lukewarm offspring that are then indoctrinated by acedemia to be indifferent to Christianity and politically correct. Some even turn to Muslim in an effort to make sense of the world. Having lots and lots of babies is a good idea if you intend to be a parent that will attend that child's spiritual needs.


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RiaMorrison 6 years ago from Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada

Goodness, how open-minded of you to condemn an entire religion because of some extremist attitudes and some faulty assumptions on data. If I recall history call correctly, there were and are still some truly nasty Christians in the world who have killed and tortured many. Heck, even the bible itself says that sinners should be stoned to death. My, what a peaceful and tolerant religion Christianity is.

Islam is a religion like any other. It's good at the core, and a bunch of morons have gone to extremes and given it a bad reputation among those who don't care to look deeper than the surface.

Ad your solution of making more Christian babies to outnumber Muslim babies... Is just plain sick. For one thing, there can be few worse reasons to have a kid. It's a playground attitude. "My kid's religion can beat up your kid's religion." Second of all, the earth is already overburdened by people. I don't know what your math skills are like, but when I last looked at the figures, making more people will not lessen the load.

I am not Muslim, and so am not defending my own religion here. What I am is somebody who tries to look at facts instead of religious-themed conspiracy theories and propaganda. I believe the bible said a few poignant things about liars, deceivers, and those filled with hate. It also said a thing or two about loving thy neighbour.

But then again, it also had a lot of space devoted to details of how many cities and tribes of people were wiped out by the religion's early leaders when they went on the warpath because God told them it was okay. Religious genocide. Yup, that sounds like mainstream Christianity. I mean, it's in the bible, right. Couldn't possibly be something outdated and only taken seriously by extremists.

My parallels, let me show you them.


foreignpress 6 years ago

MUSLIMS ATTACK SWEDISH CARTOONIST

Riot ensues after Vilks attempts freedom of speech

What other religion on this planet uses intimidation, coercion, and threats of death against those who defy its order? The real problem, however, is that heads of state, educational institutions, publishers, and others bow down to this extreme "religion" after being threatened with extinction. What hideous religion is this? In fact, Islam is a political ideology that seeks to dominate and control. "Death to all infidels" is not only a verse in the Koran -- it's a war cry against all civilization. So-called peaceful Muslims had better start policing their own. Otherwise a war of the worlds will ensue.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

What other "religion" trains children to behead people,what other religion encourages child marriage and therefore rape and includes it's own leader "Mohamed" who married a SIX YEAR OLD!, it's a barbaric religion and those of you who don't think so are seeped in ignorance.


CW2 Mike 6 years ago

RiaMorrison-

Clearly you don't have even a rudimentary understanding of Islam or the *obligation* every Muslim has to wage jihad against all non-muslims.

The "extremist attitudes and some faulty assumptions on data" you take issue with are the most mainstream and widely accepted beliefs held in all Islam.

Islam IS NOT a religion; The links to the films are there. Educate yourself.


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Tchardo 6 years ago

Some in Islam are driven by political agendas driving them to Jihad. Those are not the majority, and they don't do so on account of Muslim teaching, they on account of long years of extremely harsh living ingrained in their cultures.

Also, the figures in the video ARE slanted for effect, and the entire thing built around shock over reasoning. It's propaganda, and it needs to be questioned. It makes me wish I had the same data to spin it in opposing context and so balance it. I'm glad that someone else spoke up about that... I didn't because I didn't want to sacrifice my chance to have my reasoning understood here just to wage wars against windmills.

Ten points to house Morrison :)


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Not so: The teachings of Mohamed do teach violence and jihad.


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Tchardo 6 years ago

No more so than does the bible, really, with it's destroying of the villages of "sinners", and no more so than do cultures which Christianity has spawned, with their wars in the name of God. Furthermore, you continue to put all Muslim sects into the same category, when:

Fred M. Donner, The Sources of Islamic Conceptions of War, in: James Turner Johnson, Just War and Jihad (Greenwood Press, 1991), p. 47:

Whether the Qur'an sanctions defensive warfare only or commands an all out war against non-muslims is not clear and depends on the interpretation of the proper passages, since it does not explicitly state the aims of the war Muslims are obliged to wage: the passages concerning jihad rather aim at promoting fighters for the Islamic cause and do not deal with military ethics"

Isn't being Christian, Brie, to an extent being a soldier for Christ?

Violence has always been involved to at least some degree in any keeping of order. Men in many Islamic countries are raised, by their governments, into mandatory military service, or into desperate circumstances where they need to fight for the existence of their way of life personally. The Muslim world's cultures are catching up from feudal times and years of intense fear, strife, and warfare, which have plagued their regions to this very day. How can you change from desperate means of preserving ideals and cultural values when you haven't had a chance for even your children to get a sense that such violence is no longer necessary?

Islam isn't the problem. Authoritarian governments are the problem, and war mongers pretty much everywhere in the world which thrive off distorting holy beliefs and manipulating blind devotees.

Eh... but to be honest, that's mostly opinion. I think I could find sources and such if I had to, but I'm going to admit right now that I haven't studied the Quoran. Nevertheless, the burden of proof is on those making the allegations, not on me, and the data provided in that video isn't sourced, and is clearly circumspect.

Even if the data is sound, and it seems something even Fox News wouldn't air, Brie... the reasoning here is fallacious. It is obvious that not all Muslims are war criminals or monsters, and unfair and hypocritical to suggest so. It is not the agenda of desperate immigrants to overthrow your country; they want out of desperate circumstances, and a fair chance at the prosperity which you have claimed to be exclusively yours. If your government welcomes them, then they will accept... simple as that.


CW2 Mike 6 years ago

Wow... an eight paragraph opinion-piece by "Tchardo" who makes all sorts of ungrounded assumptions and the clincher; "Eh... but to be honest, that's mostly opinion.. I'm going to admit right now that I haven't studied the Quoran."

What on earth makes you think you're entitled to an opinion on a subject you know nothing about?


foreignpress 6 years ago from Denver

I find it fascinating that people compare Islam to Christianity, and then go back in time hundreds of years to justify Christian "barbarism." Dredging up ancient history proves nothing. Today is today. Extremist Muslims are commiting barbaric acts on innocents and even their own kind. What Christian religion today demands death to those who don't follow its dictates?


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RiaMorrison 6 years ago from Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada

Point 1 - If dredging up ancient history serves no purpose, then people ought to stop "proving" that Islam is barbaric by saying that Mohammad married a very young girl. If the beginning and early times make no difference to modern interpretations, then things like that ought to taken out of the conversation.

Point 2 - The word "jihad" can be translated as "struggle" and doesn't always mean religious violence, but can also be used as a term to mean striving to keep ones faith when oppressors come in and try to convert.

Point 3 - There are no violent Christian extremists? Funny that Googling "Christian acts of terrorism" suggests otherwise. Look at the examples cited in the following article, if you will: http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/apr/08/christian...

It's easy to look at small parts of religion and the extremists who follow those parts and use that as "proof" that the religion as a whole is a load of baloney. The thing is, you can do that for EVERY RELIGION. Yes, including Christianity. The Quran also teaches love and peace, much like the bible does, but there are some people out there with axes to grind who think that love should come at the point of a sword and thus will give the entire religion a bad name. Look at the Quran yourself if you don't believe me: http://quran.com/


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Jesus said to love your enemies and to do good to those that persecute you. If other (NON-Christian) groups like Catholics did things that were opposite that further proves that they aren't Christians in the first place. Those people who did atrocities in the name of Christ were never followers of Christ.

I have looked at the Koran and it says quite clearly in Surah 9:5 to hunt down and kill your enemies or the infidels. Maybe you should look at it a little more thoroughly.

The reason it is important to bring up Mohammad's marriage to a 6 year old girl today is because THEY ARE STILL DOING THAT! Honestly, the ignorance is astounding...next thing you know you'll be justifying the NAZI's!


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fred allen 6 years ago from Myrtle Beach SC

Wow! You hit hard! I like your style. You don't mind stirring up heated debate. For the record I agree with you.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

I love the truth, if someone can prove that I am in error I will change my view but very few have ever been able to do that. I think the truth takes a beating in our culture these days, I like to think that I defend it. I'm glad you agree with me.


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angel115707 6 years ago from Galveston, TX

I do think its a shame that good parents fail to have many children and you see alcoholics etc having many and never take care of them. I agree with alot of what you said, I wont go so far as to say Catholics aren't christian...and all parts of christian history committed torture and crime...but..that RiaMorrison girl is messed up...what she is accusing you of, is exactly what Islam does..listen to terrorist videos and even local videos from the middle east.. they are constantly bringing up the past...calling us crusaders and reminding us of the crusades and how we destroyed their peaceful relations with Jews, they say when they owned Jerusalem, they let Jews live freely...odd they cannot today, but say it is crusaders fault...

over all Islam is a baby faith, it is over 600 years younger than the Christian faith, if you want to get technical whether you are a Christian or not, they are doing the very hypocrisy we did 600 years ago...


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Tchardo 6 years ago

There's a point in it though, angel, in understanding that we were like that too. Follow the pattern, and they will be more like us soon enough.

You can say the same for Chinese human rights abuses in comparison to how Britain treated its own people in feudal times and China is changing so very quickly...

We forget that we got where we are at a high price, and we expect other nations to compete with North America on our terms without following the steps we took to get where we are.

I'm as shocked and horrified as anyone at some of the things going on in some Muslim countries... but they're still human beings working out their problems, and while it's very sad to not be able to do anything to help them... that's the truth; you can't change people without them becoming warped -- they need to change themselves.

If we don't admit the problems and mistakes we have made, and admit that we regret them... then how can we expect them to make different decisions and see the tragedy of our current circumstances (which go along with the good)?

Demonizing nations who we don't understand... and Brie, no, I don't think you understand an entire culture on account of a few interpretations of the Quoran (You'd have to actually be able to have a reasonable conversation with them without looking at them through conservative American bible-colored glasses)... doesn't help anyone.

@ Mike: YOU are the one claiming to have expert information... instead of supporting it, you're resorting to personal attack in generalizing entire cultures, and falling back on repeating what I admitted and just sneering at me.

It's sensationalized propagation of fear. Yes, there are some basic elements of truth in your video (Islam is growing backed by oil money, actually), but the information in the video doesn't account for the rest of the pattern. So many other cultures are also growing as fast as Muslim ones, with education and westernization Muslim people breed less, women's rights movements are picking up speed faster and faster in developed Muslim nations, and there is more dialogue between Muslim nations and the rest of the world than ever.

It takes time for people to change, but they are changing. Hopefully we will too, away from knee-jerk fear/hate reactions.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

I understand the Muslim nations, and I don't think criticizing a group of people who support murdering innocent women, having children behead people and child rape is "demonizing" them. They have demonized themselves, I am just calling a spade a spade. If you refuse to criticize evil then you participate in that evil. Just as Jesus said anyone who is not with me is against me!


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Tchardo 6 years ago

I'm not with you Brie, but neither do I agree with that logic... it's the same logic those who actually DO support those atrocities you mention use: absolutisms, generalizations, and extremism. If you don't question your real motivations, then you're no different than the evil you would like to see us go to war with Iran about.

Furthermore, I don't shy from criticizing evil. I just see it everywhere it is found, not just in those who embody the archetypal "other".

Act locally, think globally is a manifestation of humility; it makes sense because it works, albeit slowly. Hatred, fear, and intolerance doesn't work, so it doesn't make sense.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Well, call me an absolutist then because I will always absolutely criticize the murder of innocents, rape of children and torture of fellow human beings.


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Tchardo 6 years ago

I hope you can see the difference between not accepting such actions, and deciding that people should be feared, hated, loathed, or punished, by being associated however tangentially to those responsible.

It's one thing to be horrified by what one sees, and another to stand resolutely behind doing something harmful or which doesn't make sense on account of that horror.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

People will be punished, but not by me, by God eternally. Fear is an emotion that one cannot control, either you fear someone or something or you don't. It may be based in reality it may not. The Bible teaches us to hate what is evil but not to hate a person. I'm looking forward to justice one day.


CW2 Mike 6 years ago

As far as I can tell, Tchardo advocates absolute relativism.; nobody is responsible because all belief systems have the same value and no one is better than any of the others because they are all equally bad. Any decision toward action upsets the status quo and therefore must be avoided at all costs.

This is not a personal attack as you put it. Rather, I'm tying to understand just what it is you stand for, what point are you trying to make? You seem to be saying that evil is prevalent all over the world, therefore we shouldn't expect anything better from . This of course after admitting you haven't spent any time educating yourself about Islam or the current state of the Global Jihad. This is like arguing with a 10 year old; someone once told her that her uneducated opinion counts, and she *believed* it!

Here's the Reader's Digest abridged version; According to mainstream Islam, the Quran is the uncreated word of God (it existed before time) revealed to Mohammed by God through the angel Gabriel from 610 AD through 623 AD when Mohammed died of poisoning. In Islam Mohammed is considered to be "The perfect Human". Accordingly, the highest aspiration of all muslim men is to emulate Mohammed in all things. Unfortunately Mohammed's behavior includes, polygamy, rape, lying, murder, slavery and slave-trading, genocide and pedophilia. Mohammed married Aisha, the daughter of Abu Bakr when she was 6 and consummated the marriage when she began menstruating at age 9. This information is taken directly from the Quranic surot, supported by the hadiths. If you don't know the difference between a Sura and a Hadith without going to Google, you're not qualified to offer an opinion but my guess is you will anyway :-)

Would You like me to list Chapter and Verse in the Quran (quoting Mohammed directly) where he instructs his followers to commit these atrocities to further the spread of Islam?

One more thing; Any discussion on Islam would be incomplete without learning the concepts of "TAQIYYA" and "KITMAN".

This link is complete with quotes from the specific Suras and Haddiths:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/011-taqiyy...

These links are articles on the subjects;

http://www.islam-watch.org/Warner/Taqiyya-Islamic-...

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-1346725...

http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of...

Again and for the record; this is mainstream Islam. Not a radical or militant version. Islam in it's true form is unpalatable by western liberals so they deceive themselves into thinking this is not a danger. Good luck with that. Everywhere Islam has a foothold it is chaos and bedlam. Look whats going on in France, U.K., Holland, Belgium, Somalia, Serbia, Philippines... the list goes on and on.

Mohammed, through the Quran advocates polygamy, rape, lying, murder, slavery and slave-trading, genocide and pedophilia.

If any person can prove these 9 categories are not facts from the Quran itself, I will send them $100 via paypal. Brie can be the Ref (sorry to put you on the spot).

Any takers?


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Harlan Colt 6 years ago from the Rocky Mountains

YouTube is full of video's on Muslim hangings for sin-related crimes, especially if you're a woman. And does no one know of the doctrine of female castration? That's gotta hurt a lot. I saw a video where they ran over a little kids arm with a car tire - while it was wedged up against a curb as punishment for stealing food to eat. Some big tough authority guy held him down while they ran over and snapped his arm in half. Do you know what Child Services would do to someone in America for that? You can't even spank your kid anymore without risk of going to jail.

Beheading, what a great advancement upon religion.

God says he knew every single person before the beginning of the world. If God had not wanted "you" to exist on this earth, he could have canceled your existence long before some faithful muslim chopped your head off.

The suggestion of serving God by murdering other people is completely contradictory from any angle of understanding.

It is definatley not Christian. Any christian who claims it is - is not a true christian.

- Harlan


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Amen Harlan!


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Please do not put other urls on my article, if you want to make a point (especially one that is so long and speaks lies against Christianity) I suggest you write your own hub. I did take a look at the first 2 and the last one and they are without merit. Anyone who acts in consistently un-Christlike behavior is not a Christian, so to say that Christian have committed acts similar to Muslims is wrong.


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Tchardo 6 years ago

Very well, Brie.

For the record though, I was aware of those sites being critical of Christianity, and the point was that they were one-sided, just as Mike's are, and mentioned as much as a disclaimer.

If you'll let me, I'll post this last summary to directly address this hub, rather than my argument with Mike, before departing to where my discussion is welcome:

If American culture is doomed to disappear, then it is not from efforts of the Muslims as much as it is from every rapidly expanding population demographic. Instead of damning those different from us, people should, in my opinion, actually address the problem by investing in American culture and American people, and do so in a way which is responsible. I would explain reasoning and methodology, but that would be too long.


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Disappearinghead 6 years ago from Wales, UK

Foreignpress asks "What other religion on this planet uses intimidation, coercion, and threats of death against those who defy its order?" Easy one this, the church for about 1300 years of history. We sit and rightly condemn the extremisim of Islam , but lets not forget that the church has employed the same tactics against the "unbelievers" throughout history. Need I say the word "inquisition" or talk about the struggles for power between the Catholic church and the Protestants in Tudor England? Let's not forget the 11th century crusades or the Church's long endorsement of black slavery using the Curse of Cain to support the ideaology.

The church came through all this only once the societies implemented enducation for all. The Islamic world is also progressing with education of their societies as they understand that education is key to prosperity. Islam will also moderate over time as the church did.

Here's a little known fact, Sadam Husein was quite happy to allow Christains to florish in Iraq. Heck, they even imported Christmas trees. Sure Saudi Arabia, and Iran may not toloerate other religions very well, but these do not represent the Islamic world. Turkey welcomes Western decadence for example.

I've just returned from a 9day business trip to Libya. I saw a lot of mosques, but I saw no fundamentalism, just a lot of lukewarm Muslems just like the lukewarm "Christian" west. My colleagues and I were invited to the summer house of a LT Colonel in Gadaffi's Elite Brigade for a barbeque. He brought his 7 brothers with him and we had a night of cementing Anglo-Libyan relations. Lots of laughter, joking about, and no proselysing of Isalm on their part. Turn on the TV in Libya and it is stuffed full of AMERICAN films and TV shows. Our driver inflicted on us a CD of Cher's Greatest Hits for crying out loud - obviously the Islamic world takes the rubbish with the good too.

Colonel Gadaffi alegedly once said that it the Islamic world wants to conquer the West, terrorism is not the answer. They just need to sit back and wait, because the West is destrying itself. There's a nugget of truth right there.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Catholics ARE NOT the Church or Christians


CW2 Mike 6 years ago

Disappearinghead; Thanks you for sharing your opinion. Yes, we will all meet many pleasant people from all over the world. Especially in countries desperate for western investment. Please clarify how this is tied to Jihad, Sharia (islamic Law) or the challenge I laid down?


CW2 Mike 6 years ago

By the way; the tired old comparison of modern day Islamic Jihad to the Crusades and the Catholic Church is just that; tired and old.

For the record; All of those events happened in Europe almost 1,000 years ago. What part did the Philippines, Bali, Australia or Somalia play in any of that? Why are Muslim warriors putting bombs in those countries, not to mention Time's Square, today? Jihad is very real; please educate yourselves.

The Catholic Church and Catholicism have very little to do with the teachings of Christ or Christianity. A cornerstone of Catholic belief is that Rome, not the Bible or Christ, is the final authority on all things relating to God or Man. How scary is that?

It's disappointing that we see so many people expressing opinions on subjects they are not educated about (Islamic Law and Jihad), and then use comparisons to another subject they clearly know little or nothing about (Catholicism vs Christianity vs Islam) to make a point that is invalid to begin with.

Please! Educate yourselves about the very real threats we face. As humans can only focus on a few at a time to be effective. Uneducated and unformed opinion is not a useful substitution for rational and productive dialog.

Since no one has risen to take my challenge so far, I will raise the amount to $500.00

FROM MY ORIGINAL POST:

"Again and for the record; this is mainstream Islam. Not a radical or militant version. Islam in it's true form is unpalatable by western liberals so they deceive themselves into thinking this is not a danger. Good luck with that. Everywhere Islam has a foothold it is chaos and bedlam. Look what's going on in France, U.K., Holland, Belgium, Somalia, Serbia, Philippines... the list goes on and on.

Mohammed, through the Quran advocates polygamy, rape, lying, murder, slavery and slave-trading, genocide and pedophilia.

If any person can prove these 9 categories are not facts from the Quran itself, I will send them $100 (now $500) via paypal. Brie can be the Ref (sorry to put you on the spot).

Any takers?"


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

CW2 Mike, you're my hero!


foreignpress 6 years ago from Denver

Disappearinghead:

Please take note. "What other religion on this planet uses . . ." That is present tense. That means today not 1300 years ago. Thank you.


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Disappearinghead 6 years ago from Wales, UK

So it's not OK to mention the church's past atrocities, but it is OK to mention Islam's past? That's not logical.

Read your OT. It advocated genocide of the Canaanites - Jewish Jihad against the pagan nations. It advocates polygamy - Jacob, Solomon, David, etc. Israel enslaved those nations it did not wipe out. Yet we excuse these things through some doctrine or other with statements like our God is bigger than your god.

Europe is certainly not in chaos because of Islam. What evidence is there for such a sweeping generaisation? Anyone actually living in Europe can see that Islam, Christianity and other faiths all co-exist. Perhaps our American friends only see the news through the right wing tinted lenses of Fox News.

Terrorism in Northern Ireland or the activities of ETA in Spain have posed far more of a threat to the people living in those locations than Islam. There are terrorist actions, and ethnic cleansing throughout the world that kill and maim more people than Al Quaeda and their associates. Let's get some balance here.

It's almost irrelevant what the Quran might say about Jihad and the infidels, because when you actually meet, work with, or socialise with Muslems, you will find that they just like anyone else, want to live peaceful lives in prosperity and raise families. I'm probably right in saying that our American friends here railing against Islam have never met a Muslem. There simply is no worldwide Islamic conspiracy amoungst 99% of the Muslem population.

If Islam is taking a hold in the West, it's because they are filling a religious vacuum left as the West abandons Christianity. If you want to know why some extremist elements of the Islamic world hate the West, just take a look at decades of American foreign policy, or the ethnic cleansing activites of Zionist Israel.

In any religion, you will find extremist fruitloops and paranoia from those of other faiths looking from the outside. The vast majority of the Islamic world wants to share in the propserity and culture of the West, whilst retaining their own culture. They are not offended by Christians, and neither do they want to kill us.


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Disappearinghead 6 years ago from Wales, UK

And as for the statement "Catholic aren't Christian", just the kind of stupid statement we can expect from the American Christian right.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

The Caananites were akin to the Nazi's, they were practicing child sacrifice. I think you should go and live with the Muslims to get a full understanding Disappearinghead.


CW2 Mike 6 years ago

DH- Why do you ignore my challenge and try to redirect the conversation to completely unrelated topics?

The $500 is yours for the taking!

ALL READERS; "DisappearingHead" is clearly a muslim actively and aggressively applying the Islamic obligation of "TAQIYYA".

"TAQIYYA" is the obligation Muslims have to use deception and misinformation to further the hegemony of the islamic state via Sharia, as *required* in the Quran.

If this is the first time you've heard these things, I know it will be difficult to accept. So don't; Don't take my word for it. Google "Taqiyya" and "Kitma" for yourselves. The information is readily available, everywhere.

'Taqiyya': how Islamic extremists deceive the West.

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-1346725...

MEF Article: ISLAM'S RULES OF WAR

http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of...


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Wow, I never knew that! Thanks for the links CW2 Mike.


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Disappearinghead 6 years ago from Wales, UK

Err CW2 Mike, I'm not a Muslem. I'm just someone who's actually met and worked with a few of them, and one who is not prone to Islamaphobia. Though we can all see the result of Islamic extremism, anyone can see that your views of Islam does not bear much resemblance to 99% of the Islamic population.

I've never read the Quran, neither do I have any intention to in the immediate future. Whatever it might actually say about Jihad (and I suspect your limited understanding is derived from your ability to use Google rather than having read it yourself in context) the everyday Muslem just gets on with their lives in peace, running a business, raising a familly, and is not about to turn into a suicide bomber.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

I wonder if only 1% become jihadist what that number is?


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theshadow 6 years ago from Ireland

Brilliant stuff Brie. Couldn't agree more.


CW2 Mike 6 years ago

DisappearingHead; actually, I speak fluent Arabic and have read the Quran and the Hadith many many times.


CW2 Mike 6 years ago

I'm glad you asked Brie-

By conservative estimates there are 1.3 Billion Muslims in the world.

If only 1% follow Sharia Law, that's 1.2 MILLION Jihadis spread out all over the globe in places like Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia, Croatia, The Philippines, Somalia.

If you want to know what that looks like in Europe; look at France, The UK, Holland and Belgium. How are their Muslim populations integrating into society there?

This is what awaits America if Americans don't recognize this threat for what it is. How much clearer a picture can I paint?


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Disappearinghead 6 years ago from Wales, UK

Doomed, we're all doomed.


Mr. Philadelphia 6 years ago

You don't believe overpopulation is a problem!? There is no way you are 45 years old and this stupid. Well, based on your other posts, I think you may just be. Tell me, with increasing populations, what will happen to the planet's sources of fresh water? Food production? Issues of starvation? Homelessness? Garbage/waste? Available Land???


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Those are not problems of overpopulation but of greed. There is plenty of food and land.


viktor 6 years ago

lets be honest, look at the parents of the the babies (statistically) being aborted -- they weren't going to contribute anything significant to society.. i support 3rd trimester abortions


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

I think that is despicable!


foreignpress 6 years ago from Denver

You gotta write this hub: "Should we support Israel?"

Right now there isn't a country on this planet supporting Israel -- including Obama's America.* But Israel has always been an ally.

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*There's Obama's America, and then there's the America that belongs to the American people.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

You of all people should know that America will not aid Israel in the future. You are familiar with the Ezekiel prophecies? God will take care of Israel. The only people who support Israel anymore are true Christians and most Jews.


foreignpress 6 years ago from Denver

I respect your greater knowledge. I'd better pour another whiskey and soda.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Things are getting pretty exciting...I have a hub I'm working on...I think you'll enjoy it.


Sam 6 years ago

Brie, while I do not agree with many of your statements and are misinformed about Islam, I think you are interesting and intelligent seeing some other other articles that you have written. You also look pretty. If you are afraid about the high rates of Muslim births I have a proposition for you. I am Muslim and single and would be willing to marry you and have kids. Our kids will be Muslims and they will be with you and protect you if someone bothers you for being a Christian. And I will also teach you some things about Islam (e.g. Prophet Muhammed did not marry a 6-year old girl, she was 12, who was close to if not already hit puberty). And remember Prophet Muhammed (S.A.W) first married at the age of 25 to a woman who was 40 years old. And he never married any one else while he was married to Khadija for 25 years. After she died, he had other marriages.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Well Sam, thanks for the offer but I would not marry someone who was not a born again Christian. I will pray for you as I believe the religion of Islam is a terrible religion and one that will usher in the Anti-Christ and the greatest calamity in the history of the world.


Sam 6 years ago

Well I feel saddened that you refused my offer, it is hard to find a good man I will warn you. Islam is not a terrible religion, it is the final and perfect religion for all mankind. Most books on Islam you will read about here in AMerica are full of propaganda and half truths. Do not read books on Islam from non Muslims. You are an educated and intelligent woman and for you to say this about Islam makes you look ignorant. Islam will not usher in the Anti-Christ, it's just that he will be released into the world by God. Imam Mahdi will be an Islamic Caliph, descended from Prophet Muhammed, who will take control of the Middle East and surrounding areas and fill the earth with goodness and peace. Jesus Christ (that we Muslims also refer to as the Messiah) will descend from heaven and kill the AntiChrist. Imam Mahdi will be second in command to Prophet Jesus (yes the real Jesus Christ, who is not the SOn of God by the way, there is no such thing as someone being the son of God). Imam Mahdi will not live long after Jesus Christ descends fom heaven though. The Anti Christ will be against Muslims and will have an army of 70,000 Jewish soldiers. The Jews are the ones who will see the AntiChrist as the Messiah. And Israel will not be in existance when Imam Mahdi rules over the Middle East, because before Imam Mahdi comes to power, Palestine will be reconquered by the Muslims. Armies carrying black flags from Khurasaan (probably Afghanistan and Pakistan) will enter the Middle East, fight many battles, and will finally reach Jerusalem, where they will erect their flags.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Muhammad was demon possessed, he even thought so himself. Sorry but it is you that is mistaken. I have read numerous book on Islam including the Koran and the Hadiths. I know more about Islam than most Americans. I also know that your teachings say it is ok to lie in order to deceive people about your religion. Your Mahdi is the Anti-Christ.


Sam 6 years ago

Prophet Muhammed was not demon possessed. He was a prophet and messenger that Jesus Christ told his followers about. In fact most Jews and Christians in the Middle East converted to Islam after Islam took power in the Arabian peninsula, one reason for that was that it was written in their books as to who the last Prophet would be. If Prophet Muhammed was indeed demon possessed then Islam would not be the fastest growing religion on earth, because most people are not interested in worshipping demons. Prophet Muhammed never said that he was demon possessed. Believe me from what you write, I know some Americans that know more about Islam than you. They were also white Christians who converted to Islam. You take the words from the Quran out of context, unfortunately. Islam does not say that it is ok to lie in order to decieve people about Islam. There is no need to do that because it is forbidden in Islam to make non-Muslims convert into being Muslims. Imam Mahdi is not the AntiChrist because the hadiths state that he will be partnered with Jesus Christ, and fight against the AntiChrist. If you need to know more about Islam let me know, I will teach you what I know. I just don't want a unique gem like you to be misinformed and look ignorant.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Nope, in fact it says that in the Last Days that people will not tolerate sound doctrine...well here is the scripture:

(2 Timothy 4:3) For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

(2 Timothy 4:4) And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

(1 Timothy 4:1) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

(1 Timothy 4:2) Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

(1 Timothy 4:3) Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

(1 Timothy 4:4) For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

Oh and by the way Jesus doesn't need anyone's help:

(Revelation 19:19) And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

(Revelation 19:20) And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.


Sam 6 years ago

From what I see from these verses is vagueness. They talk about deceivers and evil doers, do they mention Imam Mahdi? Please note that there are over 300 versions of the Christian bibles, and these books were written by humans and have been altered. The same goes to the Old Testament. Jesus Christ will kill the Anti Christ with a sword, then show his followers the blood of the AntiChrist on his sword. There are deceivers and wicked people yes, but Imam Mahdi will not be one of them . He is good and will spread wealth and religious teachings to keep people from becoming evil. Imam Mahdi is not the false prophet that these verses speak of, because Imam Mahdi will not declare himself to be a prophet. It is the antiChrist that will claim that he is a prophet, then claim that he is God and have magical powers with him.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

You are very mistaken, I will pray for you that when your supposed Messiah (The Mahdi) goes into the Jewish Temple and declared himself God that maybe then you will see the truth, if not, so be it!


Sam 6 years ago

Imam Mahdi is not the Messiah. Jesus Christ is the Messiah. Prophet Muhammed is the last of the Prophets and the best one out of all of them because he was sent for all mankind. Imam Mahdi's role will be as a reformer and teach Muslims how to practice Islam. The Anti Christ is not the Mahdi. Please understand this. I will pray for you too hun.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Who then makes a peace treat with Israel for 7 years?


Sam 6 years ago

When Imam Mahdi becomes the Islamic Caliph in the Middle East, there will be no Israel. The peace treaty will be between the Muslims and the European community. A decendant of Prophet Aaron will negotiate the treaty terms on behalf of the Muslims. Imam Mahdi will rule for 7,8, or 9 years, and during the last year of his rule the AntiChrist will emerge. His first appearance will be somewhere between Syria and Iraq, and his presence will be known in Isfahan, Iran. He will have 70,000 Jewish soldiers, and he will be on the earth for 40 days. The first day will be like a year, the second day will be like a month, and the thrird day will be like a week. The rest of the days will be like normal days. He will carry fire in one hand which is actually cold, and water on the other hand, which will be actually hot. He will come across a Muslim in the Arabian peninsula, and the Muslim will tell him that he is the AntiChrist that Prophet Muhammed warned Muslims about. The AntiChrist will slice him in half and throw him into the fire (which is actually cold). That will be the only time the AntiChrist kills anybody. God sends him to the earth so that he can test mankind of their faith in God.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

So, prove to me that your scripture is correct. It is completely opposite of the Bible, so prove to me it's correct.


Sam 6 years ago

The Bible has a history of alterations because it was written by many humans and changed over time. These statements I made come from Prophet Muhammed's hadiths. Now, throughout the years there were hundreds of thousands of fabricated hadiths, but these hadiths that I used have been authenticated by Islamic scholars many centuries ago. And Prophet Muhammed was not a liar and spoke the truth. Whenever he said a hadith his companions would memorize them and write them down. They became authenticated in that it was agreed upon by reliable sources that they were the exact words that the Prophet Muhammed spoke. In fact, I was reading one of your other articles about the end times and the United States. Did you know that the Quran and hadiths made end times predictions concerning the United States and Iraq? An Islamic Scholar made interpretations of the Quran nd Hadiths concerning America and Iraq and every one of his statements turned out true. He even mentioned the depleted uranium poisoning in Iraq, and this was before the first gulf war.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Ummm you didn't answer my question.


Sam 6 years ago

I thought I did. I stated that the authentic hadiths in Islamic eschatology are right on with their predictions. Most predictions that Prophet Muhammed made have come true. Which showed that he is not a liar and what he says will happen will actually happen. One time a group of Arabs came to the Prophet Muhammed and asked him if he really was a prophet to give them a sign. So he made the moon split in half. There is scientific evidence in fact which shows that the moon did indeed split in half. One time a Christian physicist was making fun of Prophet Muhammed because he would like his thumb and index finger after eating a meal. When the physicist learned as to why the Prophet Muhammed did this (licking the index finger and thumb release certain enzymes which aid in digestion) he then converted to Islam.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

That is no proof, that is your fairy tale.


Sam 6 years ago

Can you tell me what I said was a fairy tale? Most of the predictions that the Prophet Muhammed made have come true. The only predictions that didn't occur yet because they will happen in the future. Authenticated hadiths are a 100% proof that the statements came from Prophet Muhammed. And most researchers agree that the Quran came from heaven and could not have been written by a human being.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

You have no way of knowing if that is true or not.


Sam 6 years ago

Yes I do know that it is true, and I have given some examples. I made clear that the authentic hadiths are true. Since Prophet Muhammed became a Prophet, roughly every 20-40 years one of his predictions concerning the Middle East and surrounding areas occurred. So what was true of the predictons that happended in the past, is true for the predictions that will happen in the future.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Why because you say so? How can you prove that it is true? Write one of the prophecies in the Koran that has come true. That is historically verifiable.

In order for the Islamic faith to be true, that Muhammad is the ‘Seal of the Prophets,’ there must be some type of evidence that a prophecy that is written in the Koran was fulfilled. However, there is not!

Since there is no prophecy in the Koran, Muhammad had absolutely no authority to challenge and supersede the writings and teachings of Moses and the prophets. Furthermore, he had no authority to refute the crucifixion that is clearly taught in the New Testament Scriptures. Islam’s defenders use the teachings in the Koran and the so-called authority of Muhammad to justify their beliefs. However, it must be noted that many Muslims are innocent and unaware of the fact that Muhammad himself failed to establish his own credibility as a prophet of God. As a result, everything that is written in the Koran must stand on its own merits and should not be seriously considered unless it is supported by other sources that have credibility.


Sam 6 years ago

I thought you had read the Quran. There are some verses in it concerning the Persian and Byzantine empires during the time of the Prophet Muhammed. It states that one of them (I forgot which one) will be defeated by the other one in a matter of 7 or 10 years ( I forgot the real number). After that amount of years passed which the Quran stated, the empire that the Quran predicted would win actually won. I found this from a book on Islam I used to own but i don't have anymore, so I can't tell you the Sura where you can find this.


Sam 6 years ago

There was no crucifixion, in fact certain Christian sects believe that Jesus Christ was not crucified. And Prophet Muhammed did prove that he was the seal of the prophets - one indication as to his splitting the moon in half. SInce the Quran contains prophecies your comments about Prophet Mohammed not being a prophet are false.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

You mean you don't have the Quran?! Even if the example you give is in the Quran (which apparently you don't have) it still doesn't prove anything because who can say what happened during the Persian and Byzantine empires, unless you can point to a museum that has that information.

He was crucified and you have no proof otherwise...I know where the grave for Muhammad is, but there is no grave for my God Jesus Christ!

You should listen to Walid Shoebat, he is a former Muslim:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW-5VrK3CVI


Sam 6 years ago

Are you suggesting that I quote from the Quran directly concerning its prediction on the Persian and Byzantine empires, and then quote from an encyclopedia concerning the outcome? No I will not. Because I told you what I read from an Islamic book. I just gave you proof. And since you read the Quran yourself, you should look it up and see for yourself. I have a copy of the Quran, but why look through the pages when I already told you that a book on Islam mentioned this fact. If you don't believe me then look it up the Quran yourself, and then check out the museum or whatever.


Sam 6 years ago

There is no grave for Jesus Christ because he was never crucified. The person who betrayed Jesus Christ was transformed into his likeness, and then Jesus Christ was raised to heaven. The traitor - Judas was then mistaken for Jesus Christ and the crucified on the cross. Do not think for one minute that he "died" for your sins. Because he did not die first of all, and second your sins are your responsibility and no one else's. If he dies for your sins that means you can go and sin again and again which does not make sense.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Wow, how easy to prove that you have no proof!

Nope, my sins were paid for, praise God by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Either you will pay for your sins in hell or you will receive redemption through the shed blood of Jesus Christ. There is no grave because he rose from the DEAD, Praise God!


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Michael Adams1959 6 years ago from Wherever God leads us.

Keep it up brie excellent post! That is exactly how they want to take over population and muslim men marrying women that are not muslim, We need to put a lot of prayer into this and not allow their law to become the law of America as it has in England and a lot of Europe. And I hope I have helped with my 5 babies! They range in age from 27-17 but I have 5 and they all know Christ as Saviour! AS for Sam he/she is a muslim that as is written in Romans has been given over to reprobate mind! Never mind the unproven close minded statements he/she has made.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Thanks Michael..now tell those 5 babies to have 5 each!


Nikko 6 years ago

Ahhh one of Babylon the Great reliogions at its best


Nikko 6 years ago

Its amazing to see how they not acknowledge Jesus as the mankind redeemer and saviour,the second adam,to make up what adam lost for us... 1 John 2:18-25 says 18 Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as YOU have heard that antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists; from which fact we gain the knowledge that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of our sort; for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us. But [they went out] that it might be shown up that not all are of our sort. 20 And YOU have an anointing from the holy one; all of YOU have knowledge. 21 I write YOU, not because YOU do not know the truth, but because YOU know it, and because no lie originates with the truth.

22 Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one that denies the Father and the Son. 23 Everyone that denies the Son does not have the Father either. He that confesses the Son has the Father also. 24 As for YOU, let that which YOU have heard from [the] beginning remain in YOU. If that which YOU have heard from [the] beginning remains in YOU, YOU will also abide in union with the Son and in union with the Father. 25 Furthermore, this is the promised thing that he himself promised us, the life everlasting.


Nikko 6 years ago

Not to worry because if you know what Babylon the great is(metioned in revelation) then you should know what's going to happen to this symbolic harlot..it wont even make it to the end of this system..so no one religion will take over the world period!!!


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Michael Adams1959 6 years ago from Wherever God leads us.

I AM WAITING FOR GRAND BABIES BUT NONE SO FAR!!!!! Only 4 legged ones.


AlaskanAngel77 6 years ago

Sam- Mohammad , IF he was a real prophet, what in the world makes u believe that he was the last one? thtas stupid. why would the good Lord not have ANY prophets after one that screwed a preteen aged girl? that's stupid too. Look, I dont know alot about this crap but i have been reading through these possts. I have the belief that there is still a Prophet alive. Refer to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They are peaceful and knowledgable and prosperous and family-oriented.

Im w Brie on the fact of...DUH there is no grave for Christ, he rose from the dead so a grave was un-needed.

Viktor- Get a grip. You support 3rd trimester abortion.? That's murder! You must not have children of your own.

Brie- Excellent postings. You sure know your stuff on Christianity and the Bible. Thast awesome. We need more people who are true believers in the Lord. Also, I argee w you that our world has plenty of resources for population, for we were told to breed. We would continue having enough resources if ppl would learn how to use them right...and if BP wasn't killing our ecosystem.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Thanks AlaskanAngel, I agree with you on everything except the Latter Day Saints, that is a cult.


SirDent 6 years ago

Good hub which shows one way Islam might take over the world.

One thing I have learned in my walk with God is to not let little things bother me. God said this would happen and it is going to happen whether we like it or not.

We must just remember, "The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord."


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Yes, that is true... I am not worried, curious mostly.


Long Coat 6 years ago

Populations ebb and flow but big changes are on the way and they will change human perspective.

Today there are more people alive on planet earth than ever before who know that sexual intercourse produces babies. More people know about birth control. Hand washing is more revolutionary a force than religion. It has increased human life expectancy. Thirty year olds kill for God or Allah. Old folks have been exposed to so much they lose their convictions and turn to hope. Hope is peaceful.

The internet, the great enemy of a first class education, is making both ignorance likely but a broader knowledge inevitable.

Science provides and requires proof; religion deals in boring stories of an angry God and punished sinners. In Europe the churches are empty and people are investing in telescopes The old God is dead and that's what's freaking people out, especially muslims. With science you can predict events and prove they happened or will happen. Religion requires faith in the unlikely and interest in a simple people ordered around in arbitrary ways by a vindictive God.

Fewer Jews now expect to be delivered to a physical promised land. Fewer Christians believe that God had a son named Jesus and that God will give them everything if they just believe that Jesus died for their sins As muslims proliferate fewer of them will want to waste time memorizing an old book, stoning sinners, getting down in the dirt to pray five times a day, killing people who are not muslims.

Consciousness mediates all human experience. Put another way without consciousness you wouldn't recognize the sound of your own name. Consciousness is infinitely mutable. You can talk yourself into worshipping a spider, as religions in the past have done or you can use consciousness to study consciousness. Today mankind is on the threshold of understanding the nature of consciousness. Exposed Conscious older people aren't going to piss away their opportunities worshipping a God who throws tantrums like some angry old man and refuses to show himself or demonstrate his supposedly infinite power.

Any religion of the future will have to be grounded in tolerance love, physics as well as metaphysics. As more and more muslim children are born, more and more of them will be exposed to drugs that cure diseases when holy men cannot, to different ideas and proofs, and as they bear witness and age more and more of them will reject Islam and look on the dwindling true believers with both sorrow and contempt. The more violent the muslim world is toward its wayward souls the more people will turn from Islam in disgust.

The only certainty is death. Why serve a God characterized by ignorant and fearful others? This question is being asked by more people than ever before and will be asked at an ever increasing rate.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

All world views are religions, the only question is...which one corresponds to reality. I know Christianity does, your faith in Humanism does not correspond with reality and will fail you. I also think you are wrong about the Muslim religion.


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Whidbeywriter 6 years ago from Oak Harbor on Whidbey Island, Washington

This really opened my eyes - thanks for sharing those stats and I agree with you totally I do not want to live in a Muslim world, lets spread the good news of Jesus to all. God Bless.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Thanks for the comments Whidbeywriter, it's very disturbing to me too.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Thanks for the comments Whidbeywriter, it's very disturbing to me too.


goodguy 6 years ago

Islam is a purification of Christianity. Muslims also agree than Jesus Christ was a messenger of Allah(swt). More or less, they might actually be believing in the same "one god".But Christians refuse to believe that Prophet Muhammud(Peace and Blessings Be upon him) was a messenger of God.Countries with huge populations like India, are also submitting to Islam, Islamic vocabulary is quickly taking over in many parts of India. The percentage of muslims has risen from about 6 or 7 per in the 1950s to more than 15 per cent today(in india). According to my calculations, muslims will be a majority in the Indian Union within this century. About a decade ago, it could be said that every fifth man(and woman) was a muslim, today every fourth one is. Christians, please move from the wrong path to the right one.May God bless us all.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Muhammad was a pedophile and a false prophet and demon possessed (he even admitted it in the beginning) the religion of Islam is from the doctrine of demons promoting violence. You say Jesus but it's not the same Jesus of the Bible, Muslims believe that Judas was crucified not Jesus.


Nikko 6 years ago

Hahahahahahaaaaa.Yes,he was,hahaha.


Kati 6 years ago

Islam is losing over 6 million people a year to athiesm and christianity. The muslim elite are seriously concerned about this. There are links via al-jazeera and other muslim sites on the internet. Athiesm, on the other hand, is the most rapidly growing "creed" in history. By 2030 there will be over 2 billion athiests, among a population of almost 9 billion humans (provided the energy crisis is sufficiently alleviated to allow us to produce food for them all).


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Do you have anything to back that up?


darkman 6 years ago

I'm glad you have noticed what us White Nationalists have been pointing out for so many decades. Our countries are being overrun and nobody is doing anything about it.

Even when our already anti-White laws are enforced, as in Arizona, we are labeled all kinds of hateful terms just for cleaning up the mess the Federal Government made. The 1965 Immigration law passed by the Johnson administration along with the Civil Rights laws allowed for this situation to get out of control.

You're never going to keep Islam out of America or even slow its growth without a clear pro-White stance.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

darkman: It's not about white or brown or black or whatever...it's about a religion that teaches it's members to kill those who wont convert.


Ahmed 6 years ago

Islam trains children to behead people? that's new.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Is it?


ali 6 years ago

One of Islam's prohabations , abortion ; a woman who kills her baby is such a person who killed the whole mankind,as referred from the Holy Coran.

Most of People converted,has joined Islam especially after the 9/11; Islam was kind of unknown to most societies, the 9/11 played implicitely as a mediator.

After the sad events occurred in 9/11 , some anti-muslims accused muslims to be behind all that " not even 24h after all those chaos "; consequantely people around the world was eager to know and to learn about this religion who permit to it fidels to kill innocent, so, people starts buying books and holy Corans from all over the globe, matter fact , all they have learned that Islam is a religion of peace,love,mutuel help,science,values...so forth.

The Islam is spreading because the truth,we need the truth,and if there is an intention to stop this growth,think of yourself swimming against the flow of a strong current.

you kill a muslim but you can never take away his religion.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Oh...I have no doubt that Islam is and will grow, but it is not the TRUTH because it denies the Son of God and the Bible says that he who denies the Son denies the Father.

(Matthew 10:33) But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.


ali 6 years ago

well You said Islam is not the truth that's because it denies the Son of God , meanwhile , I say to you tat the book you have read that God has son , it's a lie,however I don't deny that christianity used to be a religion before The holy Quran was revealed to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Now,wich one is true Holy Quran or Holy Bible , in fact, Both were revealed by the same GOD, however , mankind has made modifications to the Holy Bible.. go to google and see how many versions the Holy bible has.

In the other hand,Quran has only one version,wich the true,untouchable version.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

No, both were not revealed by the same God, the Bible was inspired by the True God, Muhammad was visit by a demon..he even admitted it in the beginning.

Besides, just because someone takes the Bible and twists it doesn't mean that the original is not the Word of God. God even said that this would happen...his true followers know Him and they know that His Word is True.


ali 6 years ago

what a joke,Muhammad was visit by a demon, do you have any proof saying that,I bet you have none. I dont think you didn't even read one page of it.

Quran was revealed and protected from any addition or elemination of it's statements,in contrast,The Bible been twisted by people,making it unreadable.

Moreover,Islam came after the christianity as a complement,same like when christianity has completed the judaism. Islam is the God's final religion,and the religion for all mankind.

Open your heart to seek the truth,and do some research.

May God guide you to the right path.

Peace.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Yes, it is common knowledge that Mohammad was visited by a Demon...look it up, he even said so to his wife at the time. Later he recanted when he figured he could profit from his encounter!

I don't need to open my heart to the lies of Islam, I know the truth.


SirDent 6 years ago

Ali is a troll. Noticed the different ways of spelling Qu'ran.

I would also like to know how Ali knows the Bible has been changed. Is this person old enough to have been there to see it done?


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Thanks SirDent, I seem to attract my fair share, that's for sure!


Ali 6 years ago

Brie : you are judging Islam without any kind or knowledge,you better leave this kind of topics alone if you are not able to study,and sit on a sofa reading books.

SIrdent : spelling never been a problem,I am trilingual,sometime I may confus an English word by a French one.

for your question, you don't need to go back on time to see if the bible was changed,everything is in The Holy Quran,furthermore,you can tell by just how many christianity derivations there is in the world, hundreds of christianity parties,preahing diferent ideologies.

Islam,we all pray 5 times a day,we fast during the month Ramadan,we yearly give 2.5 % of income to people who needs that,even when we pray we all face the same direction,wich is the Mecca.

Thank you at least for writing the first letter of my name with a capital letter :)


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

You have different denominations in Islam too.


SirDent 6 years ago

In the Koran it is mentioned that Mohammad spoke the words of Satan. This is punishable by death from stoning according to the Law of the Old Testament which is also used as a guide by Islam to prove Muhammad to be the prophet of God who is like Moses.

Moses never spoke the words of satan and if he did he would have been stoned to death. Muhammad conveniently wrote that what he spoke from Satan was abrogated by Allah.

Anyone with any intelligence at all can see that this is a fallacy in the koran.

Ali, what works do you do that is greater than Christ Jesus? God is the one who saves. Islam says do more good than bad and you might make it to heaven.

Christianity says, Accept Jesus for who He really is and you will be saved. Islams is the works of man, Christianity is the works of God.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Amen Sir Dent!


ali 6 years ago

this is the first time I hear someone saying that Muhammad (pbuh) spoke the word of satan,so ambiguous !! first of all,satan is God's enemy,if Muhamad,as you have said,spoke the words of satan;so why the book wich was revealed to Muhammad-Quran- talks and insists about loving,adoring,and worshiping the almighty God ! isn't the satan will try to take you away from GOD?...Please stop talking and inventing without thinking !!

Then,you compared Islam and christianity in terms of wich people will be granted paradise accordingly,

You said,"Islam says do more good than bad and you might make it to heaven.Christianity says, Accept Jesus for who He really is and you will be saved." I will answer you by a simple example, well,Imagine a society where its authorities tell that just the fact you love them and accept them (authorities), then you can do whatever you want,here I think a good number people with bad intention would take this advantage to their favor and start doing all sort of bad and illegal things..and an other society,wich their authorities inforce that individuals will be punished for every bad thing commited ,and rewarded for any good thing done...so wich society do you think will have less rate of crimes and high number of great people?


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

The God of Islam is Satan or the Moon God...no contradiction there.

Jesus said many will say in the judgment "Didn't we do good works in your name"? And he will say "Depart from me you wicked sinner, I never knew you" God knows who are really his.


SirDent 6 years ago

Then Gabriel came to the Messenger of God and said, "Muhammad, what have you done? You have recited to the people that which I did not bring to you from God, and you have said that which was not said to you."

Then the messenger of God was much grieved and feared God greatly, but God sent down a revelation to him, for He was merciful to him, consoling him and making the matter light for him, informing him that there had never been a prophet or a messenger before him who desired as he desired and wished as he wished but that Satan had cast words into his recitation, as he had cast words on Muhammad's tongue.

Then God canceled what Satan had thus cast, and established his verses by telling him that he was like other prophets and messengers, and revealed: "Never did we send a messenger or a prophet before you but that when he recited (the Message) Satan cast words into his recitation (umniyyah). God abrogates what Satan casts. The God established his verses. God is knower, wise. (174)

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From one of my articles. It would be good for you to read it.


Nikko 6 years ago

Islam thinks the holy bible is yesterdays news and the koran is today's news,as they have told me.But i say to them " how can you understand today's news if you dont know what yesterday news say and had going on.How can you get the complete news if you dont know the past


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

ali: I will not allow my hub to be used for Islamic propaganda!


ali 6 years ago

I hope God show you and sirdent the right path , one more advice,open your heart,seek the truth, and be logic in your life,don't influenced by the media or people thoughts, be your own !!

Peace.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

My thoughts are my own...anyone who has ever read any of my hubs should know that, you should take your own advice.


oogabooga 6 years ago

You know, I'm hispanic and I'm tired of seeing so much bad press against hispanics. If Americans hate us, wait until they get a load of what is to come. There are two nuns and other religious figures in my background. There are 'many' God-fearing/loving hispanics...I know plenty. I doubt the anti-christ will be one of us. Americans don't know what bad is...yet.


oogabooga 6 years ago

A Muslim girl that I know told me that Jewish people have a lot of kids to take over. And this blog says the opposite. I don't know who or what to believe. It is all very confusing. I know Muslims were cheering in the streets of Paterson, NJ after 9/11. I was at the WTC at midnight on 9/11. A Muslim cabbie slowed down and just watched me, so I do believe some of them knew (he had the checkered turban on his head). Noone else was around. I had an inexplicable urge to go to NYC that night. Sometimes I have just known things. And after it happened, I felt something was 'wrong' whenever I watched television. In fact, I couldn't watch it...I just felt disgusted for some reason. It all seemed so fake.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

oogabooga: It was all fake but that doesn't mean that the Muslim religion is good or right. Have you read my other articles about 911?


oogabooga 6 years ago

No, well...maybe once before. They're pretty interesting. I'm bookmarking your site to get back to when I have time.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Thanks


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Ms Dee 6 years ago from Texas, USA

Thanks for this hub! We need to return to the immigration laws we had before 1965. See the YouTube link at Hubs by TheManWithNoPants:

Death by Birth .. Immigration and Bringinging a Nation Together Part 3


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

I'll check it out, thanks for writing Ms Dee.


MaKeedah 6 years ago

Come to the land built on freedom and equality. Wow. That's the biggest lie ever. I acually cried when I read this. Everyone HATES me so much because of my religion?? This is supose to be the place where that's not allowed. There aren't just a few people; there millions who are afraid of Islam. Have you read the Quaran? Because I've read the Bible and it says "love thy neighbor". Not "only love thy nieghbor if you can rule and control them" SAD.

If your so upset then just be happy you won't be around in 50 years when it happens


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Umm, there is no "freedom of religion" when the religion supports killing those who disagree...then that passes from religion to criminal intent. Yes, I've read the Quaran, have you? Islam if it is a religion at all is truly Satanic and therefore to be opposed.


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Vladimir Uhri 6 years ago from HubPages, FB

Hello Brie. The first commentator already launched fear tactic. Lord said fear not! He is bigger than fallen one.

Thanks for your hub.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Yes HE is!!! Praise Jesus!

(Psalms 2:12) Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.


Cary 6 years ago

RiaMorrison -

I think many are right in this hub and many do look at the situation from different angles I believe. People are not just fact-based, they are emotional beings and will react with those emotions. I have had the luxury of living in the United States of America all of my life and believe in the freedom of speech, religion and all of our rights. All religions can be scary because there will always be extremists. Being a woman though, I would not enter into the Muslim religion no matter what the situation. It is my opinion that this religion is definitely a man's religion, women are no more than possession.

To each his own, but don't push your religion on me or make me suffer your consequences if I don't want to conform to your way of thinking.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Don't use my blog to proselytize for Islam. The Bible is very clear: (1 John 2:22) Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

(1 John 2:23) Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.


moshin 6 years ago

U write about all these books. John, Mark, etc.

Where is the Book of Jesus?


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

The whole bible is about him.


Joe Jam 6 years ago

You being a zionist jew, I am not surprised that you write such idiotic and fake stuff about muslims.

You might believe that being a jew is to belong to the nation of jews but the truth is that a jew is simply a believer of judaism. For muslims and christians or any other religious groups its the same. My point is that:

As you believe that you are a member of the 'Chosen people', it doesn't mean that other religious people have to be grouped in the 'unchosen people' community.

Islam and christianity are to complex to be calling them as groups. To even count them is a racist way of thinking. So stop writing ignorant crap.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Ummmm, I'm a Christian which should be quite evident from my other articles! I write the truth no matter what.


Yousef 5 years ago

Wow brie none of the info you have is truthful it doesn't say anywhere in the Quran about killin infidels or that the prophet marries a six year old,he married her at 14 which was normal back then and he didn't touch her in anyway sexual until she was a women, but you know it's funny u guys talk about Muslims being terriosts and all but what about hiroshima you don't hear of that ayee, american Christian wiping out a whole city and supposedly Muslims blowing the twin towers so b4 u rip on other religions look at your own , how you belittle god and say that he came down as a human why would god do that, he would have to urinate and go toilet how disgusting to think that god would do that,, I rest my case


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Brie Hoffman 5 years ago from Manhattan Author

First of all, America is not run by Christians...so Christians didn't bomb Japan. The Criminals who run the United States bombed Japan and I think it is terrible. Secondly, the evidence for Mohammad marrying a 6 year old comes from your very own people and religion, that is what they say (see the video). Third, Jesus became man so as to become our atonement, the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. He made that sacrifice for us, because he loves us and wants us to be with him. That is why he became a man. God created our bodies and they work wonderfully well.


Steve Day 5 years ago

First off, I am areligious, I do not need religion to tell me how to behave. I am also a computer scientist and mathematician. I live in London, UK.

The statistics from the birth registry for 2010 have just been released. The most popular name for a boy born in the UK (I.E. England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) was Mohammed. In 2008 and 2009 this name was 3rd and 2nd respectively. This, of course, shows a trend. In the UK we already have some conurbational areas which have sought central government permission to bring in Sharia law at local government level. This so far has been turned down. However, the UK legal system does now recognise Sharia law is cases where all the participants are of the Islam faith and an Islamic Sharia judge and advocates are available in cases of divorce, debt, civil disagreement and domestic violence. Previous to 1996, these proceedings were left to be settled by all parties abiding by the verdict of the Sharia judge. Since then, due to a clause in the Arbitration Act 1996, Sharia rulings can be upheld and argued in a UK court of law. Currently, my research only, there are legal centres in London, Birmingham, Bradford and Manchester with the network’s headquarters in Nuneaton, Warwickshire. Two more courts are being planned for Glasgow and Edinburgh.

If we continue this trend and the various birth rates continue as they currently are it is possible, mathematically speaking, that the lower house of the UK could have a Muslim majority in two to three generations time. This then would be the start of the end of multiculturalism. It would not be multi anymore it would be one.

Steve.


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Brie Hoffman 5 years ago from Manhattan Author

I know Steve, I know, it's very scary.


Tajdar 5 years ago

I know Brie Hoffman, you know everything .So what's your suggestion. Muslim should be wiped out from the face of the world .Those Muslim who believe in one Almighty, Muhammad (Pbuh), peace and love.

We all know who is creating mischief and conflict in this world and for what.

We Muslims want to leave in peace in our country as per our law .We don't have any plan for Western counties.Problem is with the west, when they want to impose their way of life on us.

If our population is increasing 100 fold it is our problem not your's.So stop thinking about all these crap topic and discuss among yourself how to copy Jesus and Mary in your life .That will benefit all of us even to Muslims.

I know Brie Hoffman, now you will say, stop using my hub to propagate the truth.


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Brie Hoffman 5 years ago from Manhattan Author

I have no answer in regards to the Muslim population but I along with a lot of other people are afraid for our lives because of what we see happening in countries that are under Sharia law. If you practiced peace and love I doubt that we, me or others would be fearful. We see beheadings, child rape, and atrocities against your mothers, sisters and wives. If we didn't see this we wouldn't be afraid.


Tajdar 5 years ago

First of all i will request you ,Please don't be afraid of Muslims ,crimes what you are speaking about is in every society,we have strict law to handle the crimes what you have mentioned ....If you do wrong and as per the law if it is punishable then it should be .There has to be an example for others .

But if you talk about the role the women has to play in Muslim society ..then it is a theological debate ..It can be sorted out.

But if you want to force that our women folk should be made available to the market as western society has done .then dear i am sorry..you can write any thing and feel any thing we don't have any issue ...We have full trust on Almighty Allah .. ..i don't see any atrocity against women in our society they are safe and cosy.


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Brie Hoffman 5 years ago from Manhattan Author

If you think that women in fundamental Muslim cultures are safe and cozy then you are ignorant and blind..educate yourself!


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Shahid Bukhari 5 years ago from My Awareness in Being.

My father, an officer of Customs ... was sent by the Government of Pakistan for a study cum training tour of Holland ... the year was 1960 ...

He wrote me a card from Amsterdam ... saying ...

Every Dutch I have met so far, in these three months of training, invariably finds some excuse of asking ... "Mr. Bukhari, Do you have Four Wives " ... !

And when I tell them ... "No, I have only one wife ... in fact 99.9% Muslims have only one wife ... they are somewhat dismayed ... I cannot understand Why !


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Brie Hoffman 5 years ago from Manhattan Author

That's great, I hope they treat their one wife well because of heard, read and know of horror stories.


Hudhafah 5 years ago

Islam is Evil religion, Islam has no respect for other religion !!!


Hudhafah 5 years ago

The religion of Islam is not peace. The muslims are killing people.They always Jihad to their enemies and even to their fellow muslims, maybe because they followed the written in their Quran like this ( And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and Fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al-Haram until they fight you their. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. Quran 2:191 ).Islam is Evil religion because the Quran was ordered the death penalty unlike the Holy Bible which is never ordered the death penalty. The Quran has ordered the death penalty like the beheading and stoning to death, that was permitted by Allah (God of muslims).Allah is satan and he is not a God because the true God does not permit the death penalty like in Christianity. GOD BLESS TO ALL CHRISTIANS !!!


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Brie Hoffman 5 years ago from Manhattan Author

Thanks for writing Hudhafah


Canadian  5 years ago

Well i guess the inevitability is coming. Its also time for the world to wake up and work together with he muslim community to build better and stronger relations. Its all about making everyone a bit more accepting. Think about it... the chances of us having more babies around the world is not going to happen, its just not going to happen. we live in a society where money and beauty is everything and people simply have better things' to buy or do with their time then have babies and go to church and pray to technically the same God well God the Father that is. It's already to late i'm sorry to have to say this but i have travelled to about 28 countries in my life and i see Islam everywhere and it changes from where i go. some are more culturally driven then others and other are liberal. If people keep hating think about what's going to happen when they do have power? then what...? everyones going to say were sorry love us let us live life our way and they will simply say did you give us the same respect or rights? ...That's my 2 cents coming from gorgeous accepting Canada where we pride our selves on not being American.

We need to look at the good and not always about the bad. They don't drink, their the only other religion on earth that believes in Jesus and that he will return, they don't do drugs, they spend 5 times a day prying which keeps them busy. The ones in north America i know are highly educated, work hard and earn good money. I honestly think people are simply over reacting. Yes, things will change but they changed for the indians when we took their land didn't they? maybe this is one big punishment...lol. We have done horrible thing's around the world and now the worlds going to change again.

Also look at all past civilizations around the world!!! Learn from the past people! the world changes and it will very soon. Don't be a racist build bridges. Love thy neighbour right. What happen to turn the other way? I think people are not really followers of their own religions because if they truly were they wouldn't be worrying about half the thing's they are today. Also when we all Die isn't God going to be like wow you guys spent all your time hating each other and all i wanted was love for you, form you, and amongst you!

Love of one's neighbor

Muhammad affirmed: "You will not believe as long as you do not love one another" (Muslim 1: 96) and "No man is a true believer unless he wants for his brother that which he wants for himself" (Bukhari 1:12). Concurring, Jesus said that to love your neighbor as yourself was like loving God (Matthew 23:37-39).

Although the word "love" appears less frequently in the Qur'an than in the Bible, the notion of love permeates it. True love consists of right action towards one's neighbor, of taking care of others, of and helping those in need. In verse after verse, the Qur'an enjoins believers to be charitable to orphans, widows, travelers, and the poor. According to one hadith: "The best Islam is that you feed the hungry and spread peace among people you know and those you do not know." Similarly, Jesus tied Peter's loving him to taking care of his disciples (John 21:15-17), and John asserts that those who do not help a brother in need when they are able to do so do not have the love of God in them (1 John 3:17).

Love of God

Love of neighbors is a cornerstone of both Islam and Christianity, but love of God is the foundation. Such love is expressed in many ways, but let's look at four: prayer, repentance, contentment, and surrender to God.

People desire to be with and talk with those they love. Thus, Christians and Muslims who love God "pray continually" (1 Thessalonians 5:17) and "remember Allah much" (Qur'an 33:21). Prayer is a cleansing activity, partially because engaging in it allows people to see God's greatness and their own unworthiness. Such understanding brings repentance, which is essential to receiving God's approval and forgiveness (Qur'an 20:82; Muslim 2:1142; Matthew 4:17; Mark 1:15; Luke 5:32; 15:7).

Through cycles of prayer, repentance, and forgiveness, the believers' love of God grows. This gradually results in a weakening of the desires for worldly things, the cause of discontent. Becoming content with what God has allotted them, they "give thanks in all circumstances" (1 Thessalonians 5:16-18), whether good or bad. Such believers are loved by people and by God, as one hadith says: "Desire not the world, and God will love you; and desire not what men have, and they will love you."

To be fully content means to be surrendered to Allah, a key concept in Islam. Indeed, the word "Islam" is understood to mean surrender, as it says in the Qur'an (3:19): "The religion before Allah is Islam." Christianity believes the same, for as Jesus said, the greatest commandment is to "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind" (Matthew 22:37). In other words, give your entire being to God.

Those who completely devote themselves to God are, naturally, are the closest to Him. Yet God is near all believers. Christians believe that God, in the form of the Holy Spirit, lives within them (1 Corinthians 6:19). For Islam, the indwelling concept is not prevalent, but God is nearer to the believer than his jugular veins (Qur'an 50:16) and says: "When my servants ask you about me, tell them I am near, I hear the prayer of the one who calls upon Me" (Qur'an 2:186).


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Brie Hoffman 5 years ago from Manhattan Author

Islam is false religion, they worship the Moon God and NOT the God of the Bible.


David 5 years ago

Any religion that does not profess that Jesus is Lord is a fauls religion.

But Muslims will take over because no one is willing to stand up and tell themm that they are wrong.

The Liberals say it is politicaly incorrect to desagree with them and to tell them like it is.


Khursheed 5 years ago

What is destined to happen according to the holy Quran will definitely happen.


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Brie Hoffman 5 years ago from Manhattan Author

No, what is destined to happen according to the Word of God will definitely happen because it already has!


We do not match 4 years ago

it does not matter how many Muslims are born. They only get the power we allow them to have. china and india have always been the most number of people. only here the last few decades, their power grew. Now China will become the world leader. but only because we allow their economies to grow. We made ??globalization. Jobs will go to the cheapest and best-educated place. The problem with Islam is the mental / moral difference from the West. When we choose to overfill our country with Muslims. they will not convert to western life style. Let Islam live in peace, but in their own countries. not in the West


do or die 4 years ago

The Prophet of Islam who clime the revelations from God, has stolen the popularities of the Jews and made a religion which is highly offensive highly repulsive highly explosive and intolerant.

Muslim rots in hell and explode with tremendous force only to dominate, suffocate and to enslave other and force other to accept their Islamic branded ideas with a goal of exercise of power to rule by their community, to destroy other community and to enslave their people.

Now it is the condition to do or die when Muslim become dominant they will not only precuts the living being but even the dead bodies. They will destroy even the legacies of the previous inhabited people of the region. They will make everything mercy on their Islamic ideas and when something which do not fulfills the norms of their idea they will destroy the thing or they will severely boycotts the thing which results death out of starvation. They will cause to ruin the modern technology and advance communication system and make every region in isolation for the efficient ruling of Islam. They will cause darkness for others and force other to approach the only light which is nothing but the Islamic ideas. They are concerned for their business and ruin of others business. They are very skilled in doing any type of business such as the business of peace and the business of war. During the business of peace their products will be soothing words and their service will be convincing others, during the business of war their products will be mujahidin’s and their service will be jihad. But in the both case there intention is one, to colonies and find market for the Islamic ideas and colonies the foreign land by population.


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Nathan Orf 4 years ago from Virginia

The thing which wrote this hub and all of the fools who agreed with its content should be deported off of planet Earth.


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Brie Hoffman 4 years ago from Manhattan Author

Thanks very much for your comments Nathan, you do a great job of proving the point of the article with your hateful comments.


Momdoc 4 years ago

As a professional religious Muslim woman who was brought up in the US ,Saudia Arabia and Egypt I fail to understand how did u determine that Islam treats women "inferior" in Islam.Im not a religious scholar however I have always strived to become more religious . To me Islam is liberating rather than restraining.I also live in NYC so you cant say that I am brainwashed etc...we are just normal everyday families who happen to follow a religion that strongly emphasizes on

Taking care of your family,

Being nice to you neighbours ,

Giving to the poor

Being a humble modest and kind to all people.

All people are equal in Islam in the Eyes of God...we are only better by our Hearts...that's the Islam I know and what I teach my children...

Also I have never encountered the fact of a rape victim being killed rather the culprit is prosecuted and all efforts are done to support rape victims...

Have an enlightened day!


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Brie Hoffman 4 years ago from Manhattan Author

Well, Momdoc, I think you should educate yourself a bit more and you will find a myriad of incidents in which women in the Muslim religion are treated worse than animals. Read a book or two.


carlos 4 years ago

Muslim religion in a fanatical religion. If you are not for them, you are against them. That is the way most of them think.


christian yenterc 4 years ago

I think that the muslim belief - and that is all that it is - needs a wake up call. So many countries around the world have made them welcome . All we see is no change in their womans appearance and that amazes me - one would think that moving to a different country would mean liberation for the women of that so called "Religion" but they still keep on wearing the stupid berka. Let the so called "men" of that belief try wearing that outfit. Let them hide their ugly faces. These fanatic's believe that the Koran say's " kill the infidels" that is just stupid dumb, brain washed follower's say - come on Muslims - you have been given a chance of a new start in our VERY GIVING AND ACCEPTING COUNTRIES - so stop your shit and live our way of life - after all isn't that the reason why you wanted to come over here - oh apparently not - WAKE UP NEW ZEALAND AND AUSTRALIAN EMMIGRATION


elayna 4 years ago

from every book I have read, all materials and subjects concerning Islam it is a very terrible s0-called religion with mostly terrible consequences for mostly females and the rest of the humans in this world with death for all infidels.I can't blieve those peoples can say God agrees with those peoples inhumanity towards other creatures that supposedly The God of us all created


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Brie Hoffman 4 years ago from Manhattan Author

It is an evil religion from the pit of hell.


Fred 4 years ago

Welfare. you are investing our tax dollars and supporting the breeding of future Islamic armies who will fight against Christianity in world war 3! Did you know that is is very likely what they are up to?


MohammedisaCheater 4 years ago

Please correct or delete last comment. Source: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2008/02/08/4834...

According to yahoo answers, this is also happening in the UK and Australia. Our Canadian healthcare system has gotten worse, it takes longer to get a family doctor now, wondering why this is. This statement goes out to all welfare systems who support Islamic Harem families. You are wasting our tax dollars and possibly supporting the breeding of future Islamic armies who will likely wage war on Christianity or anyone that is not for Islam or doesn't support Islam.


DebunkingIslamCrusadeMyths 4 years ago

By the time the Crusades finally began, Muslim armies had conquered two-thirds of the Christian world.

The first Crusade began in 1095… 460 years after the first Christian city was overrun by Muslim armies, 457 years after Jerusalem was conquered by Muslim armies, 453 years after Egypt was taken by Muslim armies, 443 years after Muslims first plundered Italy, 427 years after Muslim armies first laid siege to the Christian capital of Constantinople, 380 years after Spain was conquered by Muslim armies, 363 years after France was first attacked by Muslim armies, 249 years after Rome itself was sacked by a Muslim army, and only after centuries of church burnings, killings, enslavement and forced conversions of Christians.

The Crusades finally began nearly 5 centuries AFTER Muslim armies had set out to conquer the Christian world.


sara 4 years ago

The thing that makes me laugh is that people think that a large population will destroy the world or something. Well if your religious then you'll know that this world is not meant to last forever anyway and that as long as people are on this earth then there will be enough for them. Instead of saying too many kids are the problem why not say urbanisation and western and western copycats greed's are the problem. Use less fuel, be more eco and we'll be fine


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Brie Hoffman 4 years ago from Manhattan Author

It's the enforcement of Sharia law that I am worried about Sara.


john devils 3 years ago

i agree with the author that muslims will take over the world by populating almost every country where islam is not followed.european countries are in grave danger and should take strict measure for the muslim settling there like

1. no citizenship to any outsider.

2. no outsider can have more then 2 kids.

3.the country should reserve the right to expel the settler in case of crisis.

4. there should be a voting right to only one member of the settler family.

5. only the citizens whose ancestors have been here before a millenium should be given citizenship and true right to governance.

6. stop immigration of islamic ppl in west.


3 years ago

i agree with john but do not agree to number 5 as once they get that they can then start all over again how can we stop this its to late to start making babies and most people cant afford it i have 3 and 2 step daughter and know a few with 5 or more kids what else can we do because we say anything and we are racist i am not! i just want the choice to be whatever i want to be and want the same for my children they are racist to us and they get away with it! how can we stop it!!!


3 years ago

i agree with the author Muslims can take over the world and I live in fear in that when I am 39 I will be on a bus full of Muslims in Britain. I think immigration is important to the Europe because if there were no outsiders in the E.U I think more people would have more babies


xyznoneofyou 3 years ago

I think west should show a culture that everybody anspires it. becouse it is not debate of population but that of religious sueriority. More n more conversion is going on in West than in East may be due to better teachings of Islam than Judaism or Christianity. Islam is attracting common ppl than monarchs and finacially stablished ppl. It talks about equality, justice and Interest free state(exep 2.5% poor tax(Zakah)). Interest which is prohibited both in Christianity(and main couse of conspiracy aginst Christ) and Judaism. So that means debate is for personel benefits of West which should be. But we call for globalization and racism free state so all this is just a means to gain from east.

Once agin dont judge by internet or debates. interact personally with muslims and know the teachings of Koran and Islam. It is not other than successor of Christ or Muses. It talkes what they were talking. It preaches what they were preaching. But now monarchs and financial companies find it a threat so the propagates in ppl opinion and we start debating here. Its just Tax free state Vs Tax loaded state(to run machinery of brivate banking system through Interest). It is for sure that If Islam Comes thre will be no kind og Iterest(Ribah) business which is main couse of poverty. But unfortunately all luxary of west is dependent on this interest banking and businesses. You have to make a choice between them. n please go to the real data of population, main couse of increase in muslims population in west is not genetic but due to affection and conversion to Islam!!


slamah 3 years ago

i am so sorry you dont know about Islam tray to ask about islam i just advise you

thank you


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Brie Hoffman 3 years ago from Manhattan Author

I know all about Islam..it denies that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

Islam does not only deny that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, it also denies things that have happened in our recent history. Did you know that people in Islam deny that the Holocaust ever happened? The Jews just made it up. The believe the Jewish people made up the fact that there was a Holocaust.

They believe the evidence is fake.


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Brie Hoffman 3 years ago from Manhattan Author

Yes, I know. Thanks for commenting.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

Thank you for writing this hub. As you know from the book of Revelation all of the events described in the book of Revelation happen in the area of the mid-east. Palestine, Iran, Iraq.

Your hub seems to me, to be true


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Brie Hoffman 3 years ago from Manhattan Author

Yes, I know and I believe that Muslims will play a key part. Thanks.


Alia 3 years ago

Hi everyone.

I'm Muslim and I thought this article was hilarious. Like seriously, has anyone here actually spoken to a Muslim? I don't know of any Muslim who believes in a lot of what you all think we believe in.


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Suranee1969 3 years ago from Kandy, Sri Lanka

It's happening here in Sri lanka too. Muslim population is increasing at an alarming rate. There are signs of Muslim extremism beginning to raise its ugly head. You are lucky you live in a country where there are swift laws to protect citizens from such dangers. Unfortunately in my country the law takes a back seat especially if extremists have connections with politicians.


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Brie Hoffman 3 years ago from Manhattan Author

Sorry to hear, Suranee1969.


Brian 2 years ago

Maybe it's time to establish a new country. One where christians & jews can live in peace, white people are protected from blacks, & islam is permanently banned.

I wish i was a billionaire (or friends with one) so i can establish this country by buying massive amounts of land & hiring a private military company to guard it. Maybe we can establish a western euro/american republic of ythe people once again.


vik56in 2 years ago

The basic problem with Islam is that it rejects evolution . Sunnis can't accept even Shias or Ahmediyyas then where is the question of them accepting Christians !


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Brie Hoffman 2 years ago from Manhattan Author

I reject evolution. The basic problem with Islam is that they reject Jesus Christ as the Son of God, not that they reject evolution.


onedaynungo@gmail.com 2 years ago

I have benefited a lot from the intellectual conversation above. When it comes to religious matters, only following the nature of GOD matters. Do, believe and keep enjoying and doing what God says you do. Your time is too short here on earth, but remember, a day of reckoning is coming.

Any human above seven years can accurately choose the best answer out of the multiple choices of religions in existence today. The answer is plain and bare.

It's peoples' desire to do what they do. Violent actions and perpetuation of evil is merely a pretext to pursue what an individual enjoys most. it's an expression of the deep-sitted malevolence in an inhuman being, period.

Let us all remember, this world is not ours. We just found it and we will soon leave it, at God's time. The best is to do, the best. The onus is on an individual.


Hindu 2 years ago

Brian: I thought the same. But then I thought what will happen when yours will be the only country which has no muslims and other countries are 100%muslims!!! They wouldn't let you live peacefully man.

There is only one solution to this problem. Non-muslims countries should stop or drastically reduce muslim immigration. Then educate the muslim citizens so that they know that reproducing at higher rate wouldn't help them prosper. It will keep them poor since you cant afford education of 8-9 child. As they learn this, they will keep the reproduction rate at optimum level.

And about the muslim countries.. We cant really do anything about them.


Binds 2 years ago

Hello Brie

I am a Muslim and your article was quite an interesting read for me regarding your concern about Muslims taking over the world population. The fact that you based the reasoning for it solely on Muslims having no or least birth control was really funny. Yes, it is a fact to a certain point but the rise in Muslims is also due to the fact that Islam is one of the fastest growing religion in the world today as more and more people are now converting to Islam after having read the Quran and learning about the religion rather than being judgemental about Islam based on the atrocities carried out by some so called "Islamic" extremists.

All I would say to defend Islam would be is ask you to read the Quran along with its Tafsir(exegesis of Quran) so that you understand Islam from its source and not based on the actions of some so called "Muslim" extremists please.

There is a good app called Quran Tafsir Pro which will help you to understand Quran and hence Islam ; or as you are a Christian it would be a good start for you to watch the video "How Bible led me to Islam" by Yusha Evans...you can get that on YouTube.

May God(Allah) guide all of us to the right path. Ameen.


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Brie Hoffman 2 years ago from Manhattan Author

The Quran is heresy because it denies that Jesus is God which is what the scriptures clearly teach. Here is an article that spells it out: http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Jesus-Is-H...


Jamie 2 years ago

When Migrants left for America they said they were going to live the American dream basically saying they are going to live like an American right they saying they like Americans want to live like Americans, now that is the perfect immigrant/migrant they believe in the ideology of that country in this case America … they are not migrating to build mini societies, build mosque and over run the country with things America doesn’t believe in that is the immigrant a country needs… Nature in its essence is about survival, take lions and goats for instance too many lions for too little goats means goats would be in danger of extinction, now take a country a country is primarily a population of that nationally, ideologies, faiths and ways of living right? now how about lets say Muslims and the UK… Muslims don’t live like Brits they live like Muslims they create there own mini society’s society’s which are Muslim society’s but they do this with-in our own British societies they grow and build and take over entire parts of England like Luton you know what would happen if things don’t change soon Britain will be no more it will become Islamic country full of Muslims doing what Muslims do and you will be forced to be a Muslim too and live like a Muslim if we allow them to build there own community’s based on Muslim values lets face it the UK is not Muslim. every nationally has its own country Muslim’s have there own country and it is not bloody here its not luton its not london is it lets be flipping honest the problem in this day and age is being Politically correct and morals and people who don’t want to seem racist and world peace lets all live in harmony….under one roof… doesn’t work, you don’t need guns and tanks and missiles to take over a country its a quite and slow invasion of the Islamic world growing the Muslim ideals with-in the UK


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Brie Hoffman 2 years ago from Manhattan Author

Yep..all this politically correct"ness" is going to lead to our extinction! People need to wake up.


bess 2 years ago

Brie, I agree with you 100%. I also think it is critical to stop referring to God as God. So many other religions say they believe in "God" but it's never the right god. I'm raising my kids to refer to the one true god as Yahweh. This distinguishes the difference between the fakes who say they believe in the same god as I do but in truth don't. Allah is not a true god. He is demonic, like you said. But just talking to Muslims, they will try hard to get true believers confused by saying they worship our god and try to say his name is Allah. If you don't know God's true name, you can fall into that trap. Been there before. :) blessings on you and yours in the name of Yeshua


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Brie Hoffman 2 years ago from Manhattan Author

Thanks for writing Bess. I think anyone who knows the true God, knows that Allah is not him. I think that there are a lot of people who are religious who don't know God at all and those people are easily deceived.


Alban 2 years ago

It is not fair. You condamn muslims but islam or religion is not the problem, lack of education and compassion is. All religions have a beautiful core that cherrish the same values, beautiful values that aims to push people living together well. Such article's titles just entice people to defend their religion that clings to their identity, it calls violence and it will only lead to war, as it always had. I am not muslim, by the way.


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Brie Hoffman 2 years ago from Manhattan Author

I judge based on evidence and unfortunately there is a lot of evidence.


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MizBejabbers 2 years ago

Our congress already has one Muslim member. Stay tuned, there will be more to come!


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Brie Hoffman 2 years ago from Manhattan Author

Don't forget the President!


Ronald D Bruno 2 years ago

I have brought attention to that video about Muslim Demographics many times. It is good to warn people that Islam is the Beast. But fear not, we won't reach that point in the video. In other words, God is sovereign and has a plan. We are approaching what is referred to as the Great Tribulation Period/ Judgment Day. I am dead serious! Not in thirty years, not twenty, not even ten. I'd say it will all be over by 2018 -- I could be wrong? But I have been studying eschatology for 20 years and the world has experienced the birth pangs already: wars, rumors of wars, famines, pestilence, earthquakes in various regions, persecution and evil abounding, etc. "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations and then the end will come." Matt. 24:14 Well it has been preached to every nook and cranny. We have reached the fullness of the Gentile age. Get ready!


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Brie Hoffman 2 years ago from Manhattan Author

Hello Ronald: Btw, my father's name was Ronald A. Bruno ;)

I agree that we are in the Last Days, however am I 100% sure it will not be over by 2018. The Anti-Christ is not on the scene and the 7 year Tribulation has not started, so at the very least we have 7+ years left and that is if it started tomorrow. Thanks for commenting Ronald.


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MizBejabbers 2 years ago

A few years ago, my husband went through the Bible and compared the time periods the books speak of such as "a thousand years are like a day," among many others. He came up with the year 2038, and was totally ignored by his church. He left the church, by the way. Now if you read any of the psychics and channels, and some eschatologists, they are saying that the year 2038 will be a significant year to end this. Now many of you devout Christians scoff at these "prophets," but were there not prophets in the days of old, and the kings and priests depended on them? (And the country laughed at Nancy Reagan whose metaphysical mentors may have ended the 20-year curse on presidents) And did not Jesus say something like that in the end times the greatest of what he does, least of the people will be able to do.

There was one "prophet" or "psychic" as we call them nowadays who, back in the 1960s and 70s was a devout Christian (Catholic). I wish I could remember her name. People are too quick to disregard or even put down others who don't believe as they do. At least think about it because I think that Brie is right that it won't be over in 2018.


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Brie Hoffman 2 years ago from Manhattan Author

"MizBejabbers", Jesus told us that no man knows the day or the hour, which I think is an admonition not to set a date. However, He also told us to watch the signs and when we see the things that he said would have start to come about to look up because your redemption draweth near. And, the signs are all around us. I do believe we are in the Last Days..I'm just not sure how far in we are.


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MizBejabbers 2 years ago

But he said no man knows the day or the hour, he didn't say no man knows the year. I didn't say Jesus was coming back in 2038, I think it predicts a major happening. I just said that I think we have a lot more time than 4 years. The signs may be all around us, but if a "day is like a thousand years," we shouldn't get our hopes up. Just sayin'.


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Brie Hoffman 2 years ago from Manhattan Author

Yes that's right, I agree although I do hope that He comes back soon.


Anon 2 years ago

Enjoyed your article. I'm by no means religious, so I can't really speak of religions, but Islamic practices are violating so many fundamental human rights. Pure evil.


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Brie Hoffman 2 years ago from Manhattan Author

Thanks Anon.


Ronald D Bruno 2 years ago

Fear not! The Muslim demographics will not reach its fruition as predicted. It would if we continued on its current path for the three decades. Judgment Day will come soon, maybe within the year! God will intervene. He would not subject the world to an Islamic state.

Apart from Islam, the sinful Gentile era has about reached its fullness and the gospel has been preached to the entire world. Wars, pestilence, famine and immorality have grown and we will soon experience the apex of history, a time referred to as the Great Tribulation Period.

Fear not, sin needs to be judged AND removed before we can experience world peace, love for our neighbors and prosperity; where no one lives in poverty or oppression, where greed is unheard of and this will happen when the entire population of the planet finally worships our Lord and Savior, Jesus. All other religions, philosophies and atheism will be destroyed, leaving only Christianity. This may sound offensive to those who are not Christians. Unfortunately, there is no defense on your part. The only solution is to come aboard and put your faith in Jesus before its too late.

"And the gospel will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." Matthew 24:14

"Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever! Revelation 11:15

The trumpets are about to blow, get ready!


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Brie Hoffman 2 years ago from Manhattan Author

AMEN Ronald D. Bruno! Btw that was my father's name only the middle initial was A.!


Bruce 23 months ago

Hey Fellas, ( DIDN'T NOTICE ANY LADIES MAKING COMMENTS HERE -ISN'T THAT SOMETHING) Anyway, it is great to see how many of the guys...and I suspect - young guys- are into this discussion; Goys from my generation ( I am 73 years old) are probably asleep at 5 minutes to 11 on a Saturday night. And so you want to see some changes made? Then do it! Be radical! Don't worry about Muslims taking over the USA or Canada; no sir! Bring them the good news of the Kingdom of God. In the 1st 66 years after the resurrection we won around 20% of the Roman Empire to Christ while they were trying to figure out how to eliminate us. By the end of the 2nd century we were at the gates of Moscow. Then in the 3rd century they made us republicans ... political, I mean. That messed us up. First we had the RC mess, then the European political religions, the “made in America" brand with mass evangelism, $ and power, manipulation, etc. In spite of this, God's word prevails. We read it; He speaks; we listen; He teaches us all things and reminds us of what Jesus has said. Will "evangelicalism" fail? It already has. Will the word of God fail? Not on your life! After all - Jesus is "the Word made flesh." and He is building a church - an ecclesia - a called out gang- that will tear down the very gates of hell. So be it; come Lord Jesus!


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Brie Hoffman 23 months ago from Manhattan Author

I'm a lady! Good info Bruce...


Rembrandt19 23 months ago

Brie -

What about those who convert willingly to Islam? That's a large number too. Also, have you read the Qur'an yourself? I don't blame you if you haven't - neither have those Muslims who commit the crimes you describe in your article...that's why they do what they do. (That, or they willfully misinterpret it to further their own aims.).

People like you and Pam Gellar and Robert Spencer and a lot of other uncritical thinkers tend to conflate Islam with the worst examples of it - the 0.001% of the bad apples are - according to you - a good measuring stick to judge all Muslims. You think it's perfectly acceptable to present the most extreme example of something as the mainstream. I suppose you never studied statistics. What you are doing is the equivalent of holding up the KKK as the shining example of Christianity (or pick any other group with decidedly "un-Christian" doctrine).

The right attitude is that evil doesn't have a religion. Hitler, Pol-Pot, Milosevic, Stalin, and on and on...they have (together) killed in the tens of millions...none of them are Muslim. Tens of millions - they are monsters. In Islamic countries, often, a backward minority twists the true teachings of Islam and then uses that to intimidate local populations to follow them (You do this, or that will happen!). Unfortunately, American media paint Muslims as evil terrorists who are irrational. That they hate us for no reason whatsoever. Really? They want to go out of their way to shed their own blood, lose their lives, because they hate us for nothing? How about us starting a war without legal ground in Iraq in 2003 to supplant that country's political structure. You know, during the Cold War, the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. would have rather blown each other up in a nuclear holocaust rather than submit to the other's political will. So what do you think a power vacuum in Iraq would do? Or, consider the thousands of innocent people we bombed and killed in Afghanistan, all the while, the media telling us that in news blurbs that "surgical" drone strikes minimized casualties. How about having your land stolen for decades and then continually harassing an entire ethnic group to get them to vacate your land in an industrial theft operation as Israel is doing to Palestinians? You don't think there will be consequences? You don't think that if it were the U.S. facing these things that there wouldn't be some bubbas out there with shotguns who would take matters into their own hands? We're blameless...is that it?

Also, it's too bad the media only report the bad eggs of Islam. Good stories are never reported (and don't give me the "because they're not there argument...search for yourself because networks and news outlets won't help you there.). Some news outlets (Fox, for example...generously calling them a "News" outlet) actively try to further their agenda against Islam...further try to paint it as an evil that must be destroyed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTKF9C9N8vE

Why doesn't this happen in Christian-dominated, Western countries as much? Well, you have to read your religious text to twist it. Consider R. Spencer's book, "Not Peace, but a Sword: The Great Chasm Between Christianity and Islam." The main title (not the subtitle) itself consists of words spoken by Jesus (Matt. 10:34) according to the Bible. That's what I'm talking about...critics of Islam that not only have never read the Qur'an properly (with historical and literary criticism), don't even know many Muslims themselves, and on top of it, don't even know their own religion. Spencer would never have chosen such a title for his book if he knew the words come from Jesus. And he captures the attitude of most critics of your stripe: "I don't know what it is, but I don't like it! It's all bad...all of it. Islam is the problem, uh-yup..uh-up. Drrr...Jesus!" It's a confused, incoherent rhetoric that is just sad. To be clear, I'm talking about the thought process that leads to the dangerous views you're spouting. People like you seek only to destroy, not build - build as in partnerships and understanding.

Open your eyes and do some actual research and think a little deeper than you do when you decide what to have for dinner - because you're right about one thing - the growth of Islam is an important issue. But blaming Islam and criticizing it unfairly will only inflame attitudes.


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Brie Hoffman 23 months ago from Manhattan Author

You need to OPEN YOUR eyes..Islam should be counted as an organized crime organization. Every single time there is any terrorist activity it is ALWAYS done by Muslims..ALWAYS! Just look at the headlines in France today..another group of violent, criminals aka Muslims just killed a bunch of people in France. Islam should be illegal and all Muslims should be prosecuted.


vik56in 23 months ago

Thanks for the author for doing her bit and being proactive even if it is only a ripple in the ocean. We have a responsibility to keep the world safe for our children and grandchildren. Those who speak of political correctness are being apathetic and only themselves absolving of responsibilities.True,there have been monsters in human history like Hitler ,Pol Pot and the recent Norwegian mass killer Anders Brejvik who were not Muslims .But the reality is that by shutting them off the danger was eliminated.But this is not the case with Islam which until the Quran exists will always churn out cold blooded cruel killers. Islam and Muslims brook no criticism and as a religion ,it has no forgiveness. Though Islam is a satanist cult ,there are some genuinely good Muslims out there. But the inherent problem still lies that though they might be good Muslim people,the risk of their children and grandchildren turning out to be murderers and killers is always there.


DBZ2405 16 months ago

Well I think God is just a myth.. stop believing in God and there will be no religion. PEACE EVERYWHERE.


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Brie Hoffman 16 months ago from Manhattan Author

The Communists don't believe in God and they killed over 50 million people between Pol Pot, Mao, and Stalin!


Soleen 16 months ago

Brie Hoffman I agree with all the things that u said omg thank u, you're awesome I was waiting to hear someone saying that and thanx god I did

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