One Nation Under God Or So We Thought

Where Is God In Our Nation

Not long ago God was everywhere in this country, schools, courts, congress, and even the Supreme Court... I am not sure when it happened, but if I were to guess the late 50's to the early 60's is a good place to start...

I look around me and see God's name, but I dont see God....

Now I know many people will think I am strange, but I believe that a big part of the problem is we are to focused on trying to make sure everyone is happy instead of taking a stand as Americans...

This country was founded with God as a central part of it.... I am not talking about a certain religion or group... I am not talking about Catholics or Protestants or even Jewish religions... I am talking about God the Creator...

I am a Christian but I am not going to stand here and thump a Bible, at anyone... I believe that Jesus Christ born to a virgin is the Son Of God, He walked the face of the earth and Died as payment for my sins... He rose to conquer death and fulfill the Old Testament Prophets...

Just about every religion uses the Old Testament... Some religions call it another name, but for the most part it is used in one form or another... All religions that use it believe it is the word of God...

God Is The Answer

As an American look around and you will see a country that is falling apart at the seams, we are torn apart by many issues, including religion, war, politics, and an array of social issues...

As you read through the Old Testament you will see that the people of Israel or God's People turned to and from God many times... Every time they did their country started to fall apart... and then they would turn to God and start to give reverence to God and things would get better...

Today what this country needs more then anything is to turn back to God... instead of crying about how horrible the government is we need to pray that our leaders are given wisdom from God to govern our country... We need to instill God back into our homes, our families, our schools, and most of all in our leaders...

Without God, this country is doomed to fail, it may be slow, it may be fast, but unless we heed the warnings of the Bible as a nation we will be in trouble...

Now I believe that my belief in Jesus is correct... but instead of getting all worked up and thinking I am stuffing my beliefs down your throat, go back and look at what I am saying... we as a nation need to pray to God... The god of your beliefs...

If we as a country turn back to God, start praying for forgiveness, and start to teach our children to live by the 10 commandments I think we would see alot of our troubles just start to disappear OR fade away...

So as I go to bed tonight I will ask the Lord God Almighty to give the leaders of this nation the wisdom to get down on their knees and turn this great country back over to the God that has blessed it from the beginning....

God Bless America....

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SpanStar 5 years ago

Your message angelicwarriors is a good one to present. I do wonder will it strike a cord with others. My thoughts are it won't for a number of people because man from the very beginning as tried to reject God.

Christmas approaches, the one time of the year when the primary focus is to not focus on ourselves but on others. Our wants are of greed and clearly many of us absolutely don't know just how blessed we are with our cell phones, laptops, countless food choices as other people in other countries lay underneath tents on the verge of starvation.

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Paladin_ 5 years ago from Michigan, USA

Angelic, though you seem quite sincere and even somewhat reasonable, I completely disagree with your conclusion that turning to God is going help solve our nation's problems in any way.

Having said that, while there is another point or two of disagreement I could address more specifically, what I really wish to focus on is a single statement you made mid-way through your hub:

"Just about every religion uses the Old Testament... Some religions call it another name, but for the most part it is used in one form or another..."

This is actually a very questionable claim. There are a great many religions in the world -- currently practiced by billions of people -- that do not use the Old Testament. The largest of these are Hinduism, Buddhism, Hare Krishna and various Chinese folk religions.

Just thought you should know...

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angelicwarriors 5 years ago from EHT New Jersey Author

Span Star thank you for the comment.. Yes many times we are blessed and just dont know it...

Paladin yes there may be other religions that do not use the Bible, but I was basically refering to the United States and the majority here not world wide... I understand that you disagree and that is okay with me... My beliefs are mine, I share them but I dont force them on any... I also do not debate them... no wheres am I called to defend God, I am told in the Bible to spread the " Good News" not force it on people... I will answer questions to the best of my ability but I am not here to cause more division among people isnt there enough of that in the world today??

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Paladin_ 5 years ago from Michigan, USA

Fair enough.

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frogyfish 5 years ago from Central United States of America

You are a courageous and well-spoken prophet. No, I did not say divine...I say 'sharer of the Word'. Compliments to you on your hub.

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angelicwarriors 5 years ago from EHT New Jersey Author

Thank you frogyfish I just try to tell the truth as I see it, doesnt mean all will agree but that is ok we have chocolate and vanilla ice cream for a reason....

Have a Blessed day

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James A Watkins 5 years ago from Chicago

Thank you for this fantastic Hub! You are right on target.

It started in 1963-1964 when the Supreme Court overruled 80 of the American citizens and all of its elected representatives by ruling that after 300 years God and the Bible were suddenlly illegal in our public schools. So much for "We the People." It has been all downhill since.

Your Hub is great. I loved reading your profile page. God Bless You!

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angelicwarriors 5 years ago from EHT New Jersey Author

The Bible & God will not be held down forever, every knee will bow, and ever tongue confess Jesus is Lord... I just hope as a nation we find our way back to God before that time comes....

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Paladin_ 5 years ago from Michigan, USA

James, there was never any Supreme Court ruling that "God and the Bible" are illegal in public schools. I don't know where you got such a ridiculous idea, but you are quite mistaken.

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angelicwarriors 5 years ago from EHT New Jersey Author

Not sure of the legal part... but I am a firm believer that the removal of God and teh Bible from our nation in general is our down fall...

I am not here to debate the subject, you have your beliefs, which I can not change, only you can change your beliefs based on information you believe or not believe...

I choose to believe that God is real, that God once was a corner stone of this great nation, and now with the almost total removal from our society of anything that mentions God, we have fallen into the darkness that is around us...

Paladin I know you believe other wise, and that is your choice, I will not argue with you, but on my pages God will be proclaimed as Lord... and that he is the only answer to the worlds troubles

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Paladin_ 5 years ago from Michigan, USA

Angelicwarriors, I acknowledge that there is an obvious difference in what we believe regarding religion and religious faith. That is a legitimate debate. But the assertion that there has been a "total removal from our society of anything that mentions God" is so easily disprovable I'm amazed that people continue to insist otherwise.

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angelicwarriors 5 years ago from EHT New Jersey Author

ok Paladin I will bite... show me where it is within our society.... Not where someone speaks of it, or claims it... show me where our society as a whole allows it... not a city, not even a state, I speak of our nation as a whole... even the national day of prayer has been removed from this administrations agenda... and this is not a put down it is to show that with each passing year God is removed a little more through..

So I shall await your response...

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James A Watkins 5 years ago from Chicago

@Paladin— The 1962 Supreme Court case Engel v. Vitale involved a lawsuit filed against a New York school by a Jewish man, Steven Engel, who was offended by this prayer: "Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon Thee, and we beg Thy blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers and our country. Amen." Engel was a founding member of the New York chapter of the ACLU. Two Jewish organizations joined the ACLU in filing the suit for Engel. The governments of twenty-two states urged the Court to allow the prayers to continue in school.

The Supreme Court decided to ban voluntary prayer from public schools. Justice Hugo Black, an Atheist, authored the Court's opinion that to allow prayer in public schools was equivalent to the United States Congress establishing a national religion. The public was astonished and outraged. 80% of Americans were opposed to the ruling. Justice Black wrote that while the prayer in question was not of a particular religion, it promoted a family of religions—those that recognize an Almighty God.

It is rare for any Supreme Court decision to not cite previous cases upon which its decisions are based. There were no citations in this case. The decision was unprecedented; overturning hundreds of years of accepted American tradition. Prior to Engel v. Vitale no court had ever struck down any prayer of any form, anywhere in the nation. This ruling was the basis for a 1985 Supreme Court decision prohibiting a moment of silence in public schools that could be used for prayer; a 1992 decision that a minister could not pray at a high school graduation ceremony; and a 2000 decision that students may not lead a prayer at a high school football game. Children had prayed in American schools since 1635.

In the 1963 Supreme Court case Abington School District v. Schempp (consolidated with the Murray v. Curlett lawsuit brought by famous Atheist (and Communist) Madalyn Murray O'Hair) the court banned the Bible and the Lord's Prayer from public schools. Justice Hugo Black felt that if a student heard the Bible read in school this was the same thing as the United States Congress establishing a compulsory national religion, even though students were free to leave the room if the Bible offended them. The Bible had been read in schools since there had been schools in America.

Justice William Brennan, another Atheist, equated the reading of the Bible to a "substantive evil" and wrote: "There are persons in every community. . . to whom any version of the Judeo-Christian Bible is offensive." Justice Brennan did note that the Bible had always been a part of American education.

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jainismus 5 years ago from Pune, India

@ James A Watkins

Thank you for sharing this great information

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Paladin_ 5 years ago from Michigan, USA

James, despite Jainis' enthusiasm, your information isn't so great after all. Not only have you presented specific examples which don't support your argument, you've managed to mangle and mischaracterize the circumstances of each.

First, you claim the Engels case was filed by a couple of Jews and ACLU members. However, according to the very appellate court that UPHELD the prayer's constitutionality, it was brought by "taxpayers in the district and parents of children attending the schools and all (except one "non-believer") being members of various religious bodies" (the plaintiffs originally included ten families).

You then claim that Hugo Black, who authored the majority opinion, is an atheist. If this is true -- and you offer no proof -- why is this relevant? Are we supposed to assume unreasonable bias? If so, does the likely presumption that the other justices were religious imply their bias in the other direction?

You also claim (again, erroneously) that Black "felt that if a student heard the Bible read in school this was the same thing as the United States Congress establishing a compulsory national religion." This suggests that you haven't even read the opinion, for in it Black specifically states that:

"It is true that New York's establishment of its Regents' prayer as an officially approved religious doctrine of that State does not amount to a total establishment of one particular religious sect to the exclusion of all others."

You also introduce the bogus suggestion that, because no Supreme Court precedents are cited, the Engels decision is questionable. Yet I notice you make no such noise with regard to the Abington/Murray decision, which cites numerous precedents. Are we to assume, then, that this decision is more valid?

With regard to Justice Brennan -- another supposed "atheist" -- you've accused him of equating reading the Bible (in his concurrent opinion in the Abington decision) to a "substantive evil," which is, again, flatly untrue. Brennan's exact words are:

"the devotional exercises carried on in the Baltimore and Abington schools offend the First Amendment because they sufficiently threaten in our day those substantive evils the fear of which called forth the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment."

The "evils" to which Brennan refers are explained in an earlier paragraph, where he describes the persecutions by "sectarian majorities" upon those who deviated in "matters of conscience" in the early American colonies. The founding fathers recognized those "evils" -- and guarded against them with the Establishment Clause -- because they had witnessed them firsthand. Brennan heeded and honored their example in his concurrent opinion.

James, in your first comment here you declared that, because of the U.S. Supreme Court, "God and the Bible" are "suddenly illegal in our public schools." Yet none of the examples you offer here contain such a sweeping declaration. Not the Engel decision. Not the Abington decision. Not the Murray decision (decided concurrently with the Abington case).

Each was a case of a local school complying with a state law or school board decision to recite mandatory Biblical passages at the beginning of each school day, usually over a pubic address system.

In each case, the U.S. Supreme Court declared that the specific practice was unconstitutional. NOWHERE in any of these decisions is there language making "God and the Bible" illegal. I challenge you or anyone else to produce it for us -- in this, or any other Supreme Court decision.

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Paladin_ 5 years ago from Michigan, USA

Angelic, I was initially hesitant to reply to your request, for I'm convinced that you're being facetious. I find it impossible to believe that anyone even vaguely familiar with contemporary American culture is completely oblivious to the significant (I would say overwhelming) presence of religion within it. Nevertheless, I eventually decided to make an effort, if only for the positive reminder seeing so many examples together may serve for future visitors to this hub.

However, as I thought of more and more examples, my reply to you became longer and longer, and the prospects of editing it down to a reasonable comment length became dimmer and dimmer. So I've now decided to create my own hub in response to your request. After all, if I'm going to expend all that time and effort, I may as well do it right, and in a manner from which I may actually derive some small personal benefit, instead of promoting someone else's hub. When I've finished, I'll come back and provide a link.

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angelicwarriors 5 years ago from EHT New Jersey Author

@ Paladin that would be awesome... I would read it... I am not splitting hairs or deabating beliefs but if I ask I will be open about reading the response...

I am not fake or here to start arguing, but I never deny a chance to see someone elses point of view... Doesnt mean I will agree, but I will consider it...

maybe you see something I dont... but as a man of faith I see the removal of God from our society as a whole... Maybe I see something more then what really is because of my faith and desire for everyone to think my way (LOL)

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Paladin_ 5 years ago from Michigan, USA

Thanks, Angelic. I will provide a link here as soon as it is finished. And, of course, my hub will include a link to yours as well.

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Paladin_ 5 years ago from Michigan, USA

Angelic, I'm sorry it took so long to formulate a reply to your question but, after numerous rewrites and re-formats, I've finally published my hub.

I'm still not quite satisfied with the finished product, but that's because I'm a perfectionist when it comes to my writing, and I'm haunted by the notion that I may have overlooked some significant example. In any case, it's as good as I'm going to get for the moment.

Here's the url:

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Pcunix 5 years ago from SE MA

You say you don't want to be divisive, but you are.

I don't want a leader who will waste time praying to an imaginary god when he should be making rational decisions based on facts. I don't mind that he has religious faith, but I don't want him to let that faith over ride his common sense.

Praying never accomplishes anything but making the person doing it feel good. That's a good thing, but that's as far as it goes. If the leaders prayer is anything more than "Help me be a better person", they are not doing anything useful.

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angelicwarriors 5 years ago from EHT New Jersey Author

@ Paladin actually you showed small pieces... no where did you once show where as a government our country has allowed God recently...

All you examples are true they show God in some form... but lets take your money... as a nation did we not agree to put IN God we Trust?? as a nation we put our trust in God and made it very clear we did... God was present everywhere...

Now I know you believe that the world happened by chance which is your choice, and I am not here to change your mind... But because of a term "politically correct" we as a nation have slowly removed God and religion from everything... I am sure if you look hard enough there is a bill somewhere asking for the removal of In God We Trust from our money...

Thats is neither here nor there... What it comes down to is what one believes... I believe that the Bible is the word of God and every word of it is true... because of this belief I see the United States to be much like Israel of the old testament. Every time they turned their backs on God their nation paid a hefty price... I believe much differently then you, that the removal of God from our society is the cause for the hefty payment we are currently making...

unlike many proclaimed Christians, I will not argue beliefs God is big enough to do that on His own...

Now the one thing I will admit, is I now have a clearer understanding of where you see God as being everywhere... I hope that you take a minute and consider my point of view that I can see where he is being removed from everywhere as well...

We could argue this point either way for days to come, and in the end what will be accomplished.. I will still have my faith in God, and you will think there is no God...

So I will agree to disagree... but that doesnt mean we can not be friends or readers of each others work...

Sorry for the delay in answering you on this, I have been very busy with some trials and tribulations and a recent headcold...

God Bless...

john c

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angelicwarriors 5 years ago from EHT New Jersey Author


those things are your choice, just as I choose to follow my beliefs, you ask that your leader make rational decisions based on facts... I can understand that, as would I, using facts should not change anything... If he prays to a God you do not believe in, and makes sound decisions, where is the foul?? because he makes what you do not believe is a sound decision is that not the bases of politics??

no where am I asking that you follow my beliefs... I wrote this hub based on what I see and believe, do we not have chocolate and vanilla ice cream because people like different things?

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Paladin_ 5 years ago from Michigan, USA

Sorry to hear about your trials and tribulations, Angelicwarrior.

I was struck by your comment that you believe every word of the Bible is true. That is opening up a whole other can of worms that could lead to a much bigger and deeper discussion that the one we're currently having, but I'll leave that for another time.

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angelicwarriors 5 years ago from EHT New Jersey Author

Yes I know it can open a can of worms, and discussion is fine with me, but to debate beliefs is another story... I dont plan to change mine and you dont plan to become a Christian which is acceptable to me, as long as you respect the facts that I will not change my beliefs I am always open for discussion...

We will never agree on who is correct, but I will always respect your point of view and would hope you would do the seem for myself...

There is nothing wrong with disagreeing on what we believe... as for what we believe is fact also depends on our beliefs...

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