Oops! I Lost My Salvation

Jesus said, "... the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life."

Several months ago I read a hub describing how one could lose their salvation. There is a woman in our town that has told me time and time again that she needs to be saved again--that she had committed a certain sin and she is no longer a child of God. This doctrine is rampant in my town and so many people live defeated lives because they believe a lie. If God can save us, He can certainly keep us.

Don't tune me out just yet. Think about the above statement--she is no longer a child of God. Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3:3, "Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." Very true, if one is not born again, they will never see Heaven. But if one is born again, they are born into a new relationship--into a new family. We are His child. He is our Father. Sin does not and cannot affect the parent-child relation. My children have at times been ornery, even rebellious, but guess what! They were still my children. They could grow up and change their name and hate me, but they are still my children. It is with this once and for all relationship that God ties us to Himself.

The story of the prodigal in Luke 15:11-24 paints the same picture although many would try to use this portion of Scripture to justify losing their salvation. Who is it that is waiting for the boy's return?--the father. To whom does the son choose to return?--the father. This story does not depict a loss of salvation, but a loss of fellowship. When we sin, certainly our fellowship with the Father is broken, but I am here to tell you in no uncertain terms that if you are truly a child of God, you can never lose your salvation.

Oh, so that means I can commit any sin I want to and still go to Heaven. I didn't say that. Neither does the Bible. The Bible says in John 14:15, "If ye love me, keep my commandments."
If you are truly a child of God, you will do your best to follow HIm. This past week I did something stupid and deeply hurt my wife. For a while our fellowship was affected, but I still belonged to her and she still belonged to me. It grieved me so that I hurt her. Why? Because I love her. How much more ought we to love the Son of God? Despite her disappointment, the relationship was never broken, just our communion for a time.

Some might point to I Corinthians 5:1-5 as proof that we can lose our salvation. Please read it carefully, especially verse 5. "To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus." What is being delivered to satan? The flesh. Why? So that the spirit might be saved. Amidst the wickedness of Corinth and in particular this man's incestuous relationship, God still kept the spirit. Think about the wickedness Lot was involved with. Yet Peter refers to him as just in II Peter 2:7, "And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked." We can twist words all we want, but the word "just" here means innocent or holy. Yet amidst his sin, Lot was a child of God.

When one accepts Jesus Christ as his personal Savior, he begins a new family relationship never to be separated. Do you think Paul is just blowing steam when he says in Romans 8:38, 39, "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

The real issue is that by claiming we can lose our salvation, we are robbing God of His glory and attempting to keep our own salvation. My friend, that is called p-r-i-d-e, and God hates it. I cannot save myself and I cannot keep my salvation, but God can and does both--"Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." To say that God disowns us if we commit certain sins is nothing short of wickedness.

So what happens if someone "falls away"? One of two things--either they were never saved in the first place (and I think this is usually the case), or God will lovingly chasten His child to correct him and bring him back to the fold. He will not let you run unchecked if you are His. Hebrews 12:6 gives us this insight, "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth." I was saved at the age of four (please do not tell me a four-year-old cannot understand God's simple plan of salvation). Between the ages of 17-26 I was completely out of the will of God. I turned my back on Him and wrote Him off because I thought He had done something unfair in my life.. How wrong I was. But this I know. I was His child. He had to chasten me, but I was still the son and He was still the father.

Let me list some other Scripture for you and let the Holy Spirit show you the Truth: Psalm 48:14; Psalm 94:14; John 6:37, 39, 40; John 10:28-30; Acts 10:39; Romans 8:15-17; Philippians 1:6; Hebrews 5:9; I John 2:25; I John 5:11.

If this was the only verse in the Bible, it would be enough to convince me that I am eternally secure in my God. John 3:16--"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. The Greek word for everlasting has a strange meaning. It means everlasting, without end. Years ago when I accepted Christ as my Saviour, He gave me everlasting, without end, life. I experience it now. Eternal life does not begin when we get to Heaven. It begins when God makes you a new creature in Christ.

If the doctrine of eternal security is false, then God lied in His Word over and over in the above verses that I gave you. The Truth is God is true, no matter what we may think. I close with this verse. " ...yea, let God be true, but every man a liar...(Romans 3:4)


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GodTalk 5 years ago from Kentwood, Michigan

Very good Hub. You gave lots of good verses. I would also add Hebrews 10:14 which states "For by one offering He (Jesus) has perfected forever those who are being sanctified." Also, Ephesians 1:13,14 and Ephesians 4:30 talk about the Holy Spirit sealing us until the day of redemption. The Spirit in us is a pledge or a down payment showing that God will complete what He has started when He saved us.

More people need to know this truth. God is the author of salvation He will complete it. I'll leave you with one more verse which sums it up: "Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy, to the only God our savior, through Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen...Jude 24,25


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Michael Adams1959 5 years ago from Wherever God leads us.

AMEN! And as Godtalk said we are sealed by the Holy Spirit. That seal was the King's seal. Kings in those days would seal a law or a payment or whatever with their seal. They would press it in wax and it was good forever. That is the sealing we have with God that He has placed His seal upon us and we are His forever. I am living proof of the verse quoted earlier by you, I Cor. 5 1-5, I lived that life I know God was close to taking me so the soul would remain His. My flesh was about to be taken and in my despair I finally cried out to God I am cutoff. God restored my life in Him, I did not need to be saved again but restored to God, just as Jeremiah cried out I am cutoff just as King David said restore unto me the joy of thy salvation, God has restored. Amen, PRAISE GOD!


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einron 5 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA

lifegate

I bet to differ in your opinion.

See: ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED: WRONG

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/oncesaveda

Peace.


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Tamarajo 5 years ago from Southern Minnesota

A while back the Lord brought me through a season of discipline. He let me experience the feeling of the possibility of what it would feel like to be without Him forever. Although at times He would remind me of His presence and hand in this it was none the less terrifyiying. I understood at the the time that if I was to continue on the path I was this was a possibility. One of the verses that he used was where they (those who said they knew Him) come to Him and say Lord Lord and He says I never knew you. And in another part He says you call me Lord but don't do what I say.

I learned the fear of the Lord that causes men to depart from evil in that experience and I love Him all the more because of it. I learned that I never wanted to live without Him and that our relationship was reciprocal as your article stated. I believe He was letting me know that He expected something from me in that relationship by means of obedience.

I am not sure what would have happened had I not responded to the discipline.

You make some excellent points that I will continue to ponder and I appreciate you sharing your personal example about you and your wife.


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revmjm 5 years ago from Richmond, VA

That article was good and well thought out so much so that as I was reading it I thought I was reading my own work. You are exactly right about salvation. God is not an Indian giver. He didn't give us salvation and snatch it away when we sin. If that's the case nobody would be saved. It would be like HubPages lowing our profile scores when we don't come up to par. (Hey, I've just talked myself into writing a hub about how God sees us and how HubPages sees us. So be looking out for that article.)


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lifegate 5 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Godtalk,

Thanks for adding some excellent verses. I believe the doctrine of eternal security is one of the most documented doctrines in the entire Bible and you just documented it more.

Michael,

Thanks for the visit. Yes, we are sealed--done--secure in Him. I've been there too. For eight years of my life I was out of the will of God, just like the prodigal, but the faithful Father waited for me to get myself straightened out. Through His loving chastisement, He restored our relationship, and it's been stronger because of it.

einron,

You can differ with any opinion you want, however, "If the doctrine of eternal security is false, then God lied in His Word over and over in the above verses that I gave you. The Truth is God is true, no matter what we may think..." ...yea, let God be true, but every man a liar..." (Romans 3:4).

TJ,

I don't know the particulars of your experience, but my wife went through something that sounds similar. I think (and it's only what I think) that sometimes God sends that as a chastening to get us back, or in some cases, the people may not even be saved in the first place. At any rate, I'm glad God used that in your life for good. Thanks for the visit. I look forward to your comments.

revmjm.

Thanks for stopping by. Sometimes I think hubpages does lower our profile scores for no reason at all. So go for it. Write the hub!


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Faithful Daughter 5 years ago from Sunny Florida

Can one lose their salvation? That seems to be the constant debate among Christians. A yes or no sounds kind of cut and dry wouldn’t you think? One would think salvation to be so fragile. I think the question should be, can a person who claims to be saved, continue to willfully live in their sinful worldly-self? I’ve always said if a person is truly saved, they wouldn’t want to.

Not too long ago a member of my family said to me that one can lose their salvation. I asked her if that person who lost their salvation repented, would God forgive them and would they be saved again? She thought for a second then stuttered a “y-e-s.” How many times can one lose their salvation then? Seventy-seven times? A hundred times? Then this would be an issue with repentance and not salvation.

This takes me back to the OT where animals had to be sacrificed over and over to atone for man’s sins. If God would not have done away with the Old Covenant, there would not be enough animals in the world to atone for people’s sins! Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice and final atonement for all our sins. Does that mean we will not make mistakes in our walk with God? No, we will make mistakes and God will allow His true children to experience the consequences of our disobedience but His forgiving arms are always open. However, He will also allow us the freedom to walk away from the faith and turn down His gift of salvation, but that would be our choice, He doesn’t take it away.

You gave very good examples to illustrate our relationship with our Heavenly Father. Great hub!


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lifegate 5 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

FD,

Thanks for some more input. I do believe repentance is the issue. Repentance is necessary for salvation, but we also need it on a day to day basis for fellowship. I believe that if someone is truly saved, God will chastise His children when they get out of line. That's His job as a Father to His son. Whether we respond or not is up to us, but He is still the Father, and I'm still His son.


mikeq107 5 years ago

Great hub Life gate :0)

love how you broke it down...I can only echo the comments of all above!!!

Great to meet you!!

In Jesus

Mike ;0)


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samsons1 5 years ago from Tennessee

up and beautiful! Amen, and Amen! Very well written, informative, concise. 100% right on, brother...


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searchinsany 5 years ago from UK

A well written Hub.

Salvation is of the Lord! Amen.


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lifegate 5 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Thank you all for the visits and your comments. As always, they're very much appreciated!


tinamarie9884 5 years ago

Lifegate, As I have said before with your hubs, very well written. Always appreciate how you put everything together. I am glad I took the time to stop by and read!!


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cristina327 5 years ago from Manila

Great hub with great points to ponder about. Yes our salvation is eternally secure in Christ if we genuinely accepted Christ as our Lord and Saviour. If our repentance is genuine we will not turn away from the Lord, but we will persevere in obeying Him. Thank you for sharing these timeless truths. Remain blessed always. Best regards.


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lifegate 5 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

TM and Cristina,

Thanks for stopping by and leaving your comments. Much appreciated!


His daughter 5 years ago

Lifegate: I'm afraid this is one time I must disagree. When you look at the whole counsel of Scripture, it speaks of those who walk away. Ezekiel 18:24 "BGut when a RIGHTEOUS man turns away from his righteoushess and commits iniquity and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed. Because of them he shall die." James 5:19 speaks of wandering from the truth. Proverbs 21:16 speaks of a man who wanders out of the way of understanding and will come to rest in the assembly of the departed spirits. One of the most convincing is Revelation 3:5: This reference Jesus says speaks of the one He will not ERASE or BLOT out his/her name from the Book of Life. If He can blot it out, then it must have been there originally at some point. There are just so many more that there is not room enough her to put them all. THe Word speaks of the great falling away before Christ's return. Jude 11 speaks of apostates/walking away from the faith.


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lifegate 5 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

HD,

Thanks for the visit, and we can certainly agree to disagree. Unfortunately that's part of the Christian experience. In Ezekiel 18:24 the word "righteous" means to follow the law. In other words, a man's righteousness cannot save him. We need the righteousness of Christ to be saved, not a moral righteousness.

Proverbs 21:16--I see people come under the way of understanding frequently, yet they reject it to their own destruction. They were not and they are not saved.

Revelation 3:5 is certainly talking about those that are saved. It would seem that everyone is written in the Book of Life, but those that reject Jesus Christ will be blotted out. In other words, it would seem that even the lost are in the Book of Life until they die without Christ (see Exodus 32:32, 33; Deuteronomy 9:14; Psalm 69:28; 109:13).

Maybe that helps a little, but again I understand that not everyone will see the same thing the same way. Thanks again for your visit and comments.


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lifegate 5 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

HD,

I also wanted to add that Jude 11 can best be explained by looking at verse 4. These men were never saved to begin with and they were condemned accordingly. Again, I realize we'll never agree with everything, but thanks for stopping by. I always appreciate your comments.


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creativeone59 5 years ago from Gold Canyon, Arizona

Thank you Lg. for such an awesome hub to ponder, Thank u for bringing to our attention. God bless you. creativeone59


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lifegate 5 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Co,

Thanks for the visit. Sorry I'm a little late responding, but I do appreciate hearing from you.


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His princesz 5 years ago

Amen!!! Continue to proclaim the truth. God bless you more lifegate! :)


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lifegate 5 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

His Princesz,

Thanks for stopping by. It's nice to have you on board!


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donnaisabella 4 years ago from Fort Myers

Hi brother! I am a CHRISTIAN...I matured in a Pentecostal Church....Now attend a Baptist Church...and I can almost feel how palpable the difference is. Generally, as believers, we need to agree that God wants ALL (the whole person) of us when we get saved. The bone of contention in the doctrine of salvation is SIN. If we can all agree that without holiness, no man shall see God, then we agree that we cannot be habitual sinners and call ourselves his sons and expect to see Him on that final day. NADA! We should be transformed to the image of his son daily! But if we sin (not daily out of habit), He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. Those who advocate for "once saved, always saved" are no different from those who say salvation can be lost - They are all striving to get to Heaven and they understand that it has something to do with what Christ did offered on the cross and OUR response to it. Thanks, I am grateful that this comes from a Pastor but it also just cements the old differences I have heard forever while I am on my way to heaven.


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lifegate 4 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

donnaisabella,

Thanks for the visit. Glad you could stop by!


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voice of one 4 years ago from Illinois

Well as long as you stay with Jesus because he dosn't leave us. You used the analogy of children still being your children even if they hate you. Well that is true because the parent especially a mother doesn't stop loving like our heavnly father. If a child hates their parents and doesn't come around no more to talk or visit and has nothing to do with them; then the child no longer has a relationship with the parents. The parents didn't leave the child the child left the parents behind and cut the relationship off. Something to think about.


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voice of one 4 years ago from Illinois

Something else to think about. I have talk to adults in their 40's and even in their 50's that have left their parents behind for some reason or another when they turned 18 and have not seen or talk to them since. Do they even know each other by than. No. You have to stay in touch with someone to know them. Right?


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lifegate 4 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

voice of one,

Thank you for your thoughts, however. the relationship is still intact, that relation of father/son, mother/daughter, etc. The relationship is not broken, but certainly the fellowship is.

Yes, we can and do lose fellowship when we walk away from God. We certainly lose rewards to return to the Savior. But thanks be to God who by His power keeps our salvation (I Peter 1:5). If keeping it were up to me, I'd surely lose it.


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voice of one 4 years ago from Illinois

I Peter 1:5 through faith that is. We have to work out our salvation thru faith. Demas turned back. You talk about walking away if you walk away you no longer belong. Even the devil who once belong to God had the free choice to turn away from him.


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lifegate 4 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Through all my years of pastoring Lifegate Baptist Church in Bellefonte, PA, the most distorted doctrine that I've had to deal with has been that of eternal security. Quite often when dealing with the problem I would turn to Ephesians 2:8-10, but especially verse 10. This has the same idea of working out my salvation.

I believe we both know that salvation is by grace through faith (vss. 8, 9). Verse 10 tells us that we are "created unto good works". I certainly believe that if someone is truly saved good works will follow--not to "work out our own salvation", but out of love for the Savior.

My salvation has been bought and paid for by the only One capable of purchasing it--Jesus Christ. He is also the only One capable of keeping it. I serve Him not to keep my salvation intact, but because I love my Master. Anyone that is truly saved will do the same thing for the same purpose. My guess is that many of the ones that turn away from Christ were never saved to begin with. So I'm afraid I'll have to respectfully disagree with your conclusions.


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Rina Pinto 4 years ago from Dubai - UAE

To God be the Glory Now and Forever Amen! God is faithful to His children till the end!. I will never leave you nor forsake you. Hebrews 13:5

Indeed God is Faithful who has called us by our own names! Therefore we need to be still and know that He is still our God no matter what. What we need is to Obey Him and His Holy Commandments. We are all His prodigal children, wanting to return to His Kingdom/Fold/Barn.

Yes we can never loose our salvation unless we chose to neglect our Holy calling .. !

God Bless you child of God and continue to speak God's thoughts. heart & mind to His children.

O Prodigal Children its time we all return to our Father..!


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lifegate 4 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Rina,

Thanks for stopping by. It's good to meet you. I wonder if we neglect our holy calling if we have ever been saved in the first place. God keeps that which is His for sure. Thanks again for the visit!


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Rina Pinto 4 years ago from Dubai - UAE

Dear Lifegate, thank you. Nice to meet you too myn= bro. Indeed Saving comes first! - Salvation. then the rest follows. its our duty to witness to His people here on earth. He has given us this task .. Our work is to witness Jesus and God's Love for man kind .. in details more .. God Bless ya.. !


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lifegate 4 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Rina,

Keep spreading His Light!


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josh3418 4 years ago from Pennsylvania

Lifegate, excellent hub, I love the title, in fact it caught my attention as I was browsing your profile, so great job! Anyways, I love how you mentioned the fact of walking away as never being saved. I totally agree with you here, but of course we can not judge the heart, only God can. I think the passage that can help us in this area of examining the heart is in James 2, where it lays out the structure of faith and works being fleshed out together. Works do not save, but rather prove our faith. "Faith without works is dead" Great hub, informative and excellent scripture, you have done your research! Voted up and useful!


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lifegate 4 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Absolutely Josh, Works can't save but do show that we have been saved. So many people seem to confuse the two. Thanks for setting it straight.


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Logos831 4 years ago from somewhere, ca

Wonderful hub! I've been pondering on this topic a lot lately. Your conclusions are the same that I've come to by reading Scripture, but a close friend of mine does not agree. It is definitely an issue that requires a lot of thought and careful thinking through God's Word. Voted up!


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lifegate 4 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Logos,

Thanks for the vote. It absolutely is a touchy subject, but I'm convinced the Bible has the answers if we search for them. Thanks for stopping by!


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Jackie Lynnley 3 years ago from The Beautiful South

Very good, and I also think chastisement comes in here for those who don't mind God's Word. People can live very defeated lives and still go to heaven I think, but since there is no punishment in Heaven (although I do believe in degrees of reward there) that sin will not go unnoticed but bring a consequence. That is my thoughts on it. In case you were interested, lol. My sister-in-law believed if you were doing wrong when the Lord came you would go to hell and I can see where some would get that idea, but could we ever stop getting saved if so?


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lifegate 3 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Thanks for adding to the conversation, Jackie. To me, salvation is once for all, but for some that thinking tends to cause confusion. God is not the author of confusion, so I'll just leave it there. Thanks for checking in.


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Team Wiseman 3 years ago

Praise God for His Grace, the person of grace, Jesus Christ!

Pastor, Thank you for the encouraging message and thank you for sharing the Truth. May God continue to bless your journey!


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lifegate 3 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Team Wiseman,

You're quite welcome and thank you for your encouraging comment. May you too, be blessed!


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Jokarenk 2 years ago from Addison, NY

Great post, I always tell people who question losing their salvation that once you accept Christ into your heart, truly accept Him, you change not because you have to work on changing but because worldly desires fade out of our lives. There is only one unpardonable sin, it is by God's grace that we are saved and even though we fall short - and we all do-, we don't lose our salvation, He is a loving and just God and wants everyone to come to Him.


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lifegate 2 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Hi Karen,

Glad you're back on Hubpages, and thank you for stopping by and commenting. To lose, or not to lose our salvation seems to be one of the biggest questions in churches today although Scripture is very clear when taken in context. Thanks for adding to the discussion and hope to hear from you again.


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Availiasvision 2 years ago from California

You bring up so many great scriptural examples. I especially like your point about the father and the prodigal son. Great job clearing this up. I too have seen a lot of confusing and false doctrine arising.

I personally plant my tent in the doctrine of limited atonement and predestination. If God predestined us for salvation, chose to show mercy and grace upon us, sealed us with the holy spirit, is orchestrating our sanctification, has clothed us in his righteousness, is preparing a place for us, and Christ is interceding for us before the Father, there truly is no height or depth or angel or demon that can separate us from the love of God.

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