Going to Church is a Religious Trap

Organized religion comprises of people, “Churchians” who desire to be led by men with ecclesiastical titles. They are the lords, or ruling class of the congregation who are blind to who is the one true Lord. This system allows the satanic lust for power to manifest among men who corrupt Biblical love and truth for their own personal gain.

But they kept silent, for on the way they had argued with one another about WHO WAS THE GREATEST. And he sat down and called the twelve. And he said to them, “If anyone would be first, he must be last of all and servant of all.” - Mark 9:34-35

Who is First?

Unfortunately, those who insist on being first, demanding to be paid are not “last of all.” They have not become the least, but make servants (minions) for themselves. These are the self-serving entitled chieftains who use a sub-class group of people as slave members called "Churchians” who worship "God" in the idolatry of organized religion.

The church system is NOT led by the Holy Spirit because Jesus Christ is not their Lord and leader. They allow a hireling to lead them into premeditated man-made traditions and endeavors void of the leading of the Holy Spirit. The problem of the people are their complete ignorance on having an unnecessary man-made mediator between them and God. The absurdity of allowing a “more-excellent-person” who is hired to make a living off the free gift of the Gospel is an oxymoron and has no place in the Kingdom of God.

I have written something to the ekklesia, but Diotrephes, WHO LIKES TO PUT HIMSELF FIRST, does not acknowledge our authority. – 3 John 1:9

The Antichrist spirit manifests in those who desire to be first among men. This is their most prominent characteristic feature.

The Chieftain

The man-made church system is spun by the Antichrist spirit into denominations and buildings that take more precedence than the name of Jesus Christ. The “Churchians” within them are in direct opposition the pure Christian faith. In fact, they oppose anything that is Spirit led and persecute those who do not conform to their denominational mold.

Think hard about this next question.


  • Are you being led by the Holy Spirit, or by men?


There are many men who assume supremacy over others and strive to give themselves and their church a name. They strive to be first and advertise in their communities to draw people through their doors. They understand that as more people are drawn to the building, more money will flow in. All they have to do is tickle their ears and sell them through their sophistry. Gains in membership gives them a more preferential and revered position among the ranks of “Churchianity.”

If you are a “Churchian,” it is important to understand that accepting and allowing the spirit of Diottrephes will bring spiritual death leading to God’s wrath. God does not protect those who are under the guidance and authority of salaried mediators, but only those who are solely led by the Holy Spirit. You can choose to either listen to men, or to God, it is that simple.

It is a futile attempt to come together to worship the one true God under the organization and authority of men. The assembly of the Ekklesia are Spirit led, it is not organized by men, nor by the one man show called senior pastor.

Organization

Any assembly organized by men is of the Antichrist, as opposed to the Ekklesia who are the assembly led by the Holy Spirit. Walking in faith is not a premeditated endeavour, but complete reliance on the guidance of the Holy Spirit without the urge to formally organize in a liturgy of man-made ordinances/ membership requirements.

Jesus said,

He said to them, “Then RENDER TO CAESAR THE THINGS THAT ARE CAESAR’S, and to God the things that are God’s.” - Luke 20:25

In likewise fashion, we must render to the Antichrist the things that are the Antichrist’s, and to God the things that are God’s.

At the top of organized religion is Satan. Satan uses men as a directors over the people who abuse Scripture by twisting it to fuel their carnal agendas. The ambition of organized religion revolves around the monetary. To become organized requires financing; therefore, fund raising and tithing becomes the focal point of any activity. This is no different than any other charitable organization, or business venture. The corporate identity called church is the product of carnal man that creates “Churchians” who promote the wares of the Antichrist spirit. In contrast, the product of the Holy Spirit are Christians who desire to lead people into the Kingdom of God, not into man-made buildings.

Works

The Ekklesia understand that when the work of the Kingdom of God needs to be carried out, it is of no consequence whether there are finances or not. The citizens of the Kingdom of God do not rely on the hearts of carnal men in their futile pursuits to make a name for themselves because there is no such thing as a financial problem in God's Kingdom. The only problem to consider is whether God desires that particular work to be done.

Doing God’s work is about giving, not taking. God’s work is never about fund raising for a religious brand-name. There is no examples in the New Testament where money was collected among the Ekklesia to finance the work of God. It is the work of the Antichrist that demands finances before anything can be done because the monetary is their god.

Any work of God is possible, but Satan’s work proceeds from contributions, sponsors, donations, tithes, financing, etc… these are the sales tactics of the religious synod who love to “drill for oil” first rather than in faith heed God’s instructions.

Beware of anyone who says, “If it wasn’t for your generous contributions, I wouldn’t be able to do God’s work.” This is not God’s work, but about advancing some man’s ego.

Career Out of the "Gospel"

The Christian, who is the citizen of the Kingdom of God is not a taker, but a giver. They do not focus on the temporal, but the eternal. They do not require someone with a man-made title to tell them what to do before they do the work of the Lord. It is simply about being obedient and using the gift God has given them anyplace and anywhere. It is important to understand that God NEVER calls anyone into a full-time job within organized religion making a living from the Gospel. Those who do are canal “Churchian” hirelings desire to be paid to preach and demand money for it by twisting Scripture for personal gain.


  • Did you know that all Scripture that is used to "support" a salaried position in the body of Christ has been twisted out of context?


The words, full-time ministry is a crock, because it deceptively means within organized religion that some “special” person is devoting all their time for the “work of the Lord,” but requires a salary to do so. These people betray the Lord by making money from His knowledge that He freely gives. They are traitors to the pure Christian faith who desire to gain in the temporal, but they will lose in eternity.

The Trap

Millions of people attend organized religion and sit quietly in their pews and pay to listen to a spiritless salaried minister about what "God" is doing in their midst. The pew warmer does not understand that God is the one who organizes His people. When man attempts to do it, it looks like organized religion called church with titled clergy running the show. All organizing of these men fall into the system of the Antichrist where people desire to be led by ecclesiastical men instead of the Holy Spirit.

Many are called, but few are chosen because of man’s desire to be known. The spirit of the Antichrist desires to be great, be recognized, wanting to stand out and make a name for themselves. No one can enter the Kingdom of God without knowing that they are small and unworthy and can do no good without the Holy Spirit working through them. They understand that when men take note of their talents and abilities, it is a trap of Satan trying to caress their ego. To truly worship God in spirit and truth is in humility, not the accolades of men. God does not respect the ego who desires applause on the podiums of men, but would rather be in the secret and quiet place.


He must increase, but I MUST DECREASE. - John 3:30

Anything that is done within the framework of denominations and organized religion is a creation of man that is void of the Holy Spirit. The framework of organized religion demands finances and leadership of salaried men. A true Christian who is filled with the Holy Spirit is in unity with the Jesus Christ and His Body. They become under the direct leadership of the one true Shepherd, Jesus Christ, not some self-proclaimed leader who is part of the regiment of the Antichrist.

For we are NOT, like so many, PEDDLERS OF GOD’S WORD, but as men of sincerity, as commissioned by God, in the sight of God we speak in Christ. – 2 Corinthians 2:17

And constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, IMAGINING THAT GODLINESS IS A MEANS OF GAIN. – 1 Timothy 6:5

Those who make money from the knowledge of Jesus Christ are only those within organized religion. You must avoid this, or it will cost you in eternity. This is the trap of Satan to lure the masses in to organized “Churchianity” to become a “Churchian.” Those who are among the Ekklesia are Christians who do not focus on earning money, but the eternal spiritual things.

The Constantine system of church, which is organized religion is a trap. Get out while you still can.

Are you a "Churchian," or a Christian?

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lifegate 2 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA

"Doing God’s work is about giving, not taking." I think that says it all, PandN. I also like the first pic on this page. It presents quite n image.


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celafoe 2 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

wow it can't be said any more clearly and scripturally correct then this. I have believed this for sooo many years but have never explained or seen it explained so clearly. This is the truth ALL true believers MUST SEE and understand to truly be able to walk in the Kingdom and be led by THE HOLY SPIRIT without falling into the hands of those false "leaders"

All these related articles need to collated into book form and be made available for your usual charge (free) on amazon.

God please keep blessing my brother and even increase his anointing.


graceinus 2 years ago from those of the Ekklesia

PandN- Again, direct and to the point. But most of all it's the truth. I hope many take this article to heart and have the willingness to remove the blinders. It will take effort for many but it is by far worth it.

Great article and God bless.


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Rich kelley 2 years ago from The Ekklesia

1Peter 2:5 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. (NKJV)

What Peter points out is not taking place in the build as this article so rightly points out.

Thank you

Rich


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PlanksandNails 2 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

lifegate,

The problem with "Churchianity" is that in order for them to do "God's" work, they first use the market crier called "pastor" to push for pledges, donations, tithes, or whatever other word they use to canvas the pew warmers to fill the coffers.

The true servant of God understand Kingdom principles. They know that they have been given access to God’s store of already provided resources. Why would a servant of God leave the Kingdom storehouse and go out on their own to "drill for oil?" Many fail to understand that God's work is supported by God Himself. To leave the Kingdom storehouse is an insult to God. To ask people for money to do God's work is extortion.

"Churchianity" will labor according to the size of their pockets and will stop once they are empty; then you will hear some sob story that they need even more money. This is the curse of putting trust in man instead of God.

Thus says the Lord: “Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength - Jeremiah 17:5

The work that God assigns His servants to do has all the Kingdomm resources available to them, there is no need to lobby for monies, or hold fund raising meetings. This is the carnal endeavors of human conception, but God has no use for "Cain's" offerings.

Thanks for taking the time to read the article. God Bless.


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PlanksandNails 2 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Celafoe,

We must continue the effort in exposing the church abomination for what it is so that more and more will come out of these harlots. Thank-you for the encouragement.


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PlanksandNails 2 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Graceinus,

You are right, it is a great effort to un-indoctrinate from the beast system, but with the Lord's help, the result is freedom from religious oppression. As you said, "...it is by far worth it." God Bless.


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PlanksandNails 2 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Rich Kelley,

The verse you quoted (1 Peter 2:5) tells us that the spiritual sacrifices that are offered to God within the man created church buildings are not acceptable to Him. They are done in vain, just as Cain's sacrifice was not accepted.


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Rich kelley 2 years ago from The Ekklesia

No one wants to be told their "church" is not built by Christ but by man.


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PlanksandNails 2 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Rich,

Unfortunately, if they don't get the message soon , Jesus Christ will let them know the consequences of following after the traditions of men.

On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS.’ - Matthew 7:22-23


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Rich kelley 2 years ago from The Ekklesia

John 11:7 Then after this He said to the disciples, "Let us go to Judea again."

What is in Judea? The physical temple, the Levitical priest, the religious system and eventually death. Today if we keep going to Judea death will be the end results of our efforts. Christ allowed Judea to kill Him to fulfill what the Father ordained. Because of the death burial and resurrection of Jesus we no longer have to die in Judea, we have been set free in Christ to be built up as part of His temple. Today's temple is being judged and if you remain, not one stone will remain on another, you will be judged.

Rich


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PlanksandNails 2 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

I had posted this article on a certain website and a follower of their pastor posted the link and said, "Another rant against the church." to see how their pastor would respond.

His response was, "Clearly the author hasn't read the Old Testament with it's *extremely* organized religion, and the new testament verses like this (affirming paid organizational church officers...) :"

and then he quoted this verse,

The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching. For Scripture says, “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain,” and “The worker deserves his wages.” - 1 Timothy 5:17-18

What is unfortunate is the response to their pastor's minion comment which was,

"Yup."

The thing is, it is easy to attack the character of the author with unfounded statements, but to actually come to the article and refute it without twisting Scripture probably won't happen.

The salaried-to-serve love to twist Scripture as "proof texts" to justify receiving a salary and the church minion will simply nod and accept their pastor's response as truth. To be a Berean requires a more in depth study to rightly divide the Word of God than cherry picking a verse and making false assumptions.

There is no justification for paid church officers and every Scripture verse that is used as a “proof” text has been twisted out of context.

You will find nowhere in the New Testament where any among the early ekklesia received salaries, but they were admonished by Paul to work with their own hands (vocation). The "wages" for feeding the flock were food, shelter and to cover expenses when someone was away from their vocation when traveling to preach the Gospel. There was never a salary. Salaried-to-serve is an oxymoron.

But we urge you, brothers, to do this more and more, and to aspire to live quietly, and to mind your own affairs, and to WORK WITH YOUR HANDS, as we instructed you, so that you may walk properly before outsiders and be dependent on no one. - 1 Thessalonians 4:10-12

Paul worked with his hands as a tent maker.

And remain in the same house, EATING and DRINKING what they provide, for the laborer deserves his WAGES. Do not go from house to house. – Luke 10:7

Paul could have used his "rights" to receive "wages," but he relinquished them and said,

What then is my reward? That in my preaching I may present the gospel FREE of charge, so as not to make full use of my right in the gospel. - 1 Corinthians 9:18

Scripture does NOT support "salaried positions" for resident ministers.

There are many Scripture verses that become crystal clear if you read them without seeing them through an authoritative denominational lens.

Provide neither gold nor silver nor copper in your money belts, nor bag for your journey, nor two tunics, nor sandals, nor staffs; for a WORKER IS WORTHY OF HIS FOOD. - Matthew 10:9-10

Even so the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should live from the gospel. - 1 Corinthians 9:14

We see here in the context of 1 Corinthians is referring to the command of the Lord given in Matthew 10.


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PlanksandNails 2 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Can we use this following verse a a "proof" text for the salaried church class?

Let the elders who rule well be counted worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in the word and doctrine. For the Scripture says, "You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain," and, "The laborer is worthy of his wages." - 1 Timothy 5:17-18

Earlier in 1 Timothy, it speaks of honoring widows, but this honor does not mean a paid salary. In the same way in 1 Timothy 6:1, a slave honoring his master is not giving him a salary either.

But a HIRELING, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. The HIRELING flees because he is a HIRELING and does not care about the sheep. - John 10:12-14

The word minister is derived from the Greek word diakonos, meaning servant, but a hireling works for wages.

"No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. YOU CANNOT SERVE GOD AND MAMMON." - Luke 16:13

FREELY you have received, FREELY give. - Matthew 10:8

How can someone minister and be paid a salary qualify themselves as freely giving?

The salaried-to-serve born in the seminaries of men will always try to justify their paid positions.

Nevertheless we have NOY USED THIS RIGHT, but endure all things lest we hinder the gospel of Christ… But I HAVE USED NONE OF THESE THINGS, nor have I written these things that it should be done so to me; for it would be better for me to die than that anyone should make my boasting void. - 1 Corinthians 9:12-16

Paul was practicing what Jesus taught him, not what the seminaries of men taught him as a Pharisee.

What is my reward then? That when I preach the gospel, I may present the gospel of Christ without charge, that I may not ABUSE MY AUTHORITY in the gospel. – 1 Corinthians 9:18

For we are not, as so many, PEDDLING THE WORD OF GOD; but as of sincerity, but as from God, we speak in the sight of God in Christ. – 2 Corinthians 2:17


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PlanksandNails 2 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

The “senior pastor” will require each church member to tithe for dishonest gain.

For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, WHOSE MOUTHS MUST BE STOPPED, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain. – Titus 1:10-11

The churches of men are in disobedience for supporting paid ministers. Scripture makes it clear what the wages of a minister are defined by Jesus in Luke 10:1-10. They are hospitality, which includes staying at a home, eating and drinking whatever they are given.

In parallel verses in Matthew 10: 8-10 it says, …Provide neither gold nor silver nor copper in your money belts, nor bag for your journey, nor two tunics, nor sandals, nor staffs; FOR A WORKER IS WORTHY OF HIS FOOD.

Food is a wage, but it is NOT a salary.

Matthew 10 is the Law of First mention, which determines how wages are defined. Other Scripture verses clearly support this.

Now it came to pass, afterward, that He went through every city and village, preaching and bringing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God. And the twelve were with Him, and certain women who had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities — Mary called Magdalene, out of whom had come seven demons, and Joanna the wife of Chuza, Herod's steward, and Susanna, AND MANY OTHERS WHO PROVIDED FOR HIM FROM THEIR SUBSTANCE. – Luke 8:1-3

This is hospitality.

The context of the Apostles who had a right to receive a wage does not relate to a local preacher/ minister.

Matthew 10 and Luke 10 clearly refer to all ministers who were sent out by Jesus to preach the Gospel.

And how shall they preach UNLESS THEY ARE SENT? – Romans 10:15

And AS YOU GO, PREACH, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.' Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. FREELY YOU HAVE RECEIVED, FREELY GIVE. – Matthew 10:7-8

Did I commit sin in humbling myself that you might be exalted, because I preached the gospel of God to you free of charge? I ROBBED OTHER CHURCHES, TAKING WAGES.


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PlanksandNails 2 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

The salaried-to-serve will jump around and use Scripture verses and even go to the Old Testament and use the Levites to justify receiving a salary.

The Levite priests serving in the temple were allowed to eat the meat and the grain that was brought as sacrifices. In 1 Chronicles 23-24 they were divided into divisions that served two weeks out of the year, but for the remainder of the year they worked with their own hands for the needs of their families on the land they were given (Numbers 35) with herds and crops. The Levites had an allotted time to serve in the Tabernacle/ Temple for two weeks, then dwelled and worked in the cities that were scattered around Israel.

The Levites did not make a living from the tithes and offerings, but had their own vocation and worked as a herdsmen, potter, textiles, etc… who worked with their hands to make a living.

By the time Jesus Christ walked on the earth the priests lived and worked in the Temple and acquired real estate to grow the temple grains. They became wealthy by turning the temple into a place of trade by selling animals without blemish. It was clear what Jesus thought and was angered by their behaviors because they were leveraging the Law to make money.

In the temple he found those who were selling oxen and sheep and pigeons, and the money-changers sitting there. And making a whip of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen. And he poured out the coins of the MONEY-CHANGERS and overturned their tables. – John 2:14-15

This is strikingly familiar within the churches of men who believe that they are entitled to their own enrichment on the backs of the people.


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Rich kelley 2 years ago from The Ekklesia

John 10:12-13 But a hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep.

Question: Why would a disciple of Christ pay a hireling to be in charge of and look after the sheep?

Answer: The disciple has made a choice to believe someone other than Christ, that makes them a disciple of whom?

Question: Why would a disciple of Christ ignore the words of the Apostle and brother in Christ called Peter when he wrote;

1Peter 5:2-3 Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, watching over them--not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not pursuing dishonest gain, but eager to serve; not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock.

Answer: The disciple does not understand that you cannot receive money for service. Once you have received money for something you are obligated to do what you have been paid for. There is no longer " because you are willing" if you are on the payroll. Receiving money obligates you to do something until you decide to bolt or move on. Today it has gone so far as to invite the wolf in to increase the multitudes and compensation.


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PlanksandNails 2 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Rich Kelley,

Why would we need to pay someone to do the work of God?

As citizen of the Kingdom of God who walks in faith and obedience already has access to God's unlimited resources. No pandering for money required, or asking permission from a hireling first.

The work of God is exactly what it is, God does His work through His people as causal agents. If God does the work, then it would be an insult to believe that He would need our money for God to do only what He can do. No mere man can save anyone, it is a miracle of God through His Son, Jesus Christ.

If man believes that He needs money to do God's work, then He believes that God is dependent on him to get anything done. This is delusional.

We can do nothing good unless God is the one working through us; otherwise, it is a vain endeavour no matter how many ways it is spun. "Churchianity" is the epitome of doing God's work in His name, but God does not know them because ecclesiastical men have become the self-appointed "gods" and made themselves the "saviors" over the masses claiming to do God's work for Him. What they fail to realise is that they cannot do the work of God because it is solely done by Him. To extort people of their hard earned money to do something that God does for free is robbery.

In the church system, it is man who does the "work of God," but they require money for something Jesus Christ has already paid the price for.

The Gospel has nothing to do with what we do, but everything to do with what Jesus Christ has done. The price has been paid; therefore, paying someone for something that has already been paid for is ridiculous.


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Rich kelley 2 years ago from The Ekklesia

Today if you point out the error in something with scripture very often the response from those in the institutional church trying to maintain the status quo is; what is your denomination? Where do you attend church? Who are the senior elders that you answer to? What church do you pastor? How many people are in your church? What seminary did you go to? What is your theological doctrine in?

Everything I’ve listed as questions are common and very much of this world. None of the questions have anything to do with the Ekklesia or the Kingdom of God. People with worldly beliefs tend to support one another. An example would be most that attend the institutional church believe that tithing is a required biblical practice. Most that attend religious gatherings believe the pastor should have seminary training and a degree in some biblical topic. The disciple of Christ needs and will be better off with none of what the world considers important. The authority that we have to challenge the world, the institutional church and pastors on forums is Christ, the Holy Spirit and His word. When Christ directs us, may we all turn tables over.

John 2:18 The Jews then responded to him, "What sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?"

Rich


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Hendrika 2 years ago from Pretoria, South Africa

I cannot agree with you. You are right, there are many churches where money is all it is about, but there are also churches where the true Gospel is preached. The church I belong to has many checks in place to prevent the pastors from getting a hold. If they stray, they are in trouble. The Holy Spirit rules and if that is not the case they are not welcome in our church any more. If you stay away from organized religion all the time you also stand in danger of straying if you do not have brother and sisters to draw your attention when you are not right about something.

I have to say, on the contrary, in our church the pastors always have to keep the congregation in mind and will not get away with anything that is not Biblical and money is never preached. Once a year the budget is drawn up and that is it. Very often the pastors decline a raise in pay that is already way below what other professionals get with the same amount of study. Ask me, my son is a theologian with a doctors degree and can hardly make ends meet.


graceinus 2 years ago from those of the Ekklesia

Hendrika- Your comment is the very point PandN in trying to make in this article. Your comment reveals just how carnel minded you are. I will pick apart your comment to show you what I'm talking about.

" You are right, there are many churches out where money is all it is about, but there are also churches where the Gospel is preached."

If your church is not about money why "Once a year is the Budget drawn up." In the ekklesia there is NO BUDGET, ever. But every church who think they preach the Gospel, all have a BUDGET.

" The church I BELONG TO has many checks in place to prevent the pastors from getting a hold on it."

EVERY pastor of all churches ALREADY has a HOLD ON IT. Your just to blind to see it. You have no idea if they stray from it because as a pew warmer your to blind see to it. The four walls of your church that you GO TO is part of the blindness.

" The Holy Spirit rules and if that is not the case they are not wlcome."

If the Holy Spirit truly rules within your church, then who among you has the authority to say that a pastor is not welcome. In the ekklesia this would not be an issue. In the ekklesia we ALL serve as equals. We share the undersandings of the Gospel. There is not one person or two above the rest. And Jesus Christ is the Head of the ekklesia.

"If you stay away from organized religion all the time you also stand in danager of straying if you do not have brother and sister to draw your attention when you are not right about something."

Organized religion IS THE PROBLEM. Organized religion is the anti-christ system. But again as a pew-warmer your to blind to see it for what it is. The one's who are in danger of straying are the one's in the organized church system who are spoon fed false doctrine while warming the pew. I don't go to brother's and/or sister's if I stand in danger of straying, I go to God word and study. In the ekklesia we have a responsibility to study God's word. This does no mean we write off fellowshipping with fellow believers.

"I have to say, on the contrary, in our church the pastor always have to keep the congregation in mind and will not get always with anything that is not Biblical and money is never preached."

Of course the pastor has to keep the congregation in mind, because the congregation is where his/her money will come from. Let the congregation hear the real truth and see how fast the pastor is out of a job. You mention "NOT BIBLICAL" , well when pew warmers are already blind how do they know what is biblical. You say money is never preach.

"Once a year the budget is drawn up and that it it."

In the four Gospel of Matthew Mark, Luke and John, have you ever heard of or read about a budget in Jesus Christ's ministry. Have you ever heard anything from the writing of the Apostles about a budget in the ministry. In the ekklesia, money and budget don't exist. The ekklesia has no dependence on money, but churches depend on money

"Very often the pastors decline a raise in their pay that is already way below what other professionals get with the same amount of study."

Would a pastor continue to preach the Gospel in your church if he/she did not get paid at all. How long would pastor last in your church if they never again receive a pay. Would the pastor continue to preach in your church. Not likely. In the ekklesia, we earn a living by other means and still have time to spread the Gospel of the Kingdom of God.

"Ask me, my son is a theologian with a doctors degree and can hardly make ends meet."

Your comment here is typical of a pew-warmer. You must be very PROUD of him. I guess you thought the doctors degree in THEOLOGY will help bring in the money. Many of those in the ekklesia are very knowledgeable in God's word. Although I have well over 10,000 hours of study of God's word, I have no problem spreading the gospel of the Kingdom of God for free. And still manage to hold down a full time job. I don't have a degree in theology or for anything else for that matter. In the ekklesia it is not expect nor do we ask to make money from God's word. We spread the Good News of the Kingdom of God because God expects us to.


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Rich kelley 2 years ago from The Ekklesia

The shepherd is one function in the body, it is not a vocation and comparing it with other vocations to justify payment is typical of how things are done in the world. Justifying payment to clergy after reading this hub and comments that are based on scripture not traditions of men, just means that things are just like they were when Christ was here, the traditions of men out weight the Words of God.

John 10:12-13 But a hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep.

These are the words of Christ, no hirelings allowed.

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