Proud of my Country (another rant)

Okay, time for another rant, this one has been building slowly and today I had to let this one out. I was on forum I sometimes frequent, and the amount of folks on there who seem to be disgusted with our country is incredible. I’m not sure WHY so many today seem to have this love affair with BASHING America…..Attacking its heritage, the religion that was once very prevalent in its founding. This strong “need” to apologize to other countries because of our “arrogance”, as President Obama recently proclaimed. It seems as if being PROUD of our Country has somehow become a bag thing.


I just think we must be reminded that we, the United States of America have done more to promote freedom and democracy in the world than the rest of the entire planet. With American Pride, we are always, the first nation to immediately help out another nation after a major disaster. It is Americans that PROUDLY grows the food that feeds starving people all over this earth. It is PROUD Americans that develops the drugs and delivers, personally, to cure the sick across this world. It is Proud Americans that has always been able to help raise other countries from grinding poverty and make better lives for their families.


But somehow, we have large groups of citizens who think it is arrogant, to use the words “proud to be an American”.


I don’t know about you, but I still get a small lump in my throat when I am asked to place my hand over my heart and face the flag at ballgames while we play our National Anthem. When I see soldiers in uniform, when I walk into an election booth, when I get to watch fireworks with my family every 4th of July, when I walk into my church every Sunday, or just being able to watch my kids open gifts on Christmas morning are all PROUD moments when I am so thankful that I am an American.


Yet, today we have so many folks who are becoming lethargic and apathetic with the all of the freedoms we all have. The phrase that JFK instilled in so many of us years ago, with "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country"….has somehow been transformed into demanding what this country can do for “ME”.


I’m mean think about it! Right now our country is very much divided. But, we have the freedom to speak and express our opinions. It is up to us to settle our own issues. We have the privilege to sit down in the comfort of our homes and turn on a TV, and watch our potential leader’s debate and try to convince us on why they should be our next President of the United States. Even though I very much disagree with our current leadership, I am still proud to live in a country knowing that its citizens have the right to change directions or to continue down the chosen path.


I know that some may be getting tired of my constant writing on American pride, but I have this burning passion and love affair with my country. I really do. The biggest regret I have in my life is that I never served my country by joining the Military. I think that may be one reason why I want so badly to see to it that my children have the same privileges that I have had. My faith in God, love for my family are all possible because of the PROUD forefathers that gave their lives to create this nation, PROUD Americans that gave their lives to protect this nation, and well, just all of the Americans who are PROUD of this country.


To sum it all up for me as Christmas approaches, I am looking forward to spending time with my family, and to reflect upon my religious freedoms that were given to me. For me and my family, we proudly accept that Christmas is exactly what it was meant to be. Celebrating the birth of Christ and the through that birth gives us the opportunity to have eternal freedoms.


May you all have a Merry Christmas,



CMerritt


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Hyphenbird 4 years ago from America-Broken But Still Beautiful

I agree. We must be proud of America. There are problems and even warts. Yet this country still stands for freedom. When things are wrong, we must work to make the right rather than sit around griping and flinging arrows. Those who really hate America are welcome to go live in another country where every move is monitored and where they cannot just go get in a car and drive somewhere. I dare say it wouldn't be long long before they come back and kiss the ground that offers choices, sanctuary and the opportunity to change what we don't agree with.


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SubRon7 4 years ago from eastern North Dakota

Good for you, CMerritt, I salute you!


Longhunter 4 years ago

Arrogant or not, I'm very proud to be an American.

I sometimes wander if great men like Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Reagan, and JFK aren't spinning in their graves over what has become of this country. I also wander if these same men aren't looking down with disdain at the man who holds their former office as well as the men and women who make a mockery of their country in the halls of Congress, trying to rip apart what they helped to create.

Perhaps come November, 2012, we can begin the hard process of fixing what's been broken but the fact remains, America is the greatest country on Earth.

Excellent hub, CM. A very Merry Christmas to you and yours. God Bless.


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gammalinda 4 years ago from Minnesota

Thanks for sharing. I've been to Russia twice, and China once...and I was so glad to get back to the USA! Yes, for all our problems, we are still the greatest nation in the world. We must pray to stay that way. God bless! :)

Linda


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WillStarr 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

It's really not all that much of a puzzle. In the late sixties, I used to listen to these Marxist/socialists sitting around a campfire extolling the virtues of Communism, while attacking capitalism, and their own country.

Unlike most Americans, the left openly sneers at our history, our Constitution, and our successes as a nation. When they claim to love America, they aren't talking about the same America we are talking about. No, they are talking about an America that does not yet exist. They are talking about the Communist/socialist America of tomorrow.

Many years ago, Nikita Khrushchev, of the Communist Soviet Union, said the Communists would destroy America from within, so when you hear people extolling the virtues of income redistribution and demanding the downfall of the capitalism that made America thrive, you are witnessing his prophesy coming to fruition.

Most of the Americans who support such far-left ideals don’t even know they are being useful idiots, carrying out the destruction of their own country. They think they are doing a good thing, because ‘they care’.


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Becky Katz 4 years ago from Hereford, AZ

This country is mine, I am proud of it. My family started coming over on the Mayflower. I have Indian ancestors. My family made this country what it is with their blood, sweat and tears. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. You have the freedom to do that.

I cried when the Berlin wall fell, because people now had the freedom to leave there if they wished. I truly believe that all people should have the freedom to leave if they do not like where they are. But this is my country and until the last few years, I have been proud of it. As soon as we get the present idiot in chief out of office, I know I can start being proud of it again.

Both the idiot and his wife have said that this country embarrassed them. They have embarrassed this country and I am ashamed of them. I am embarrassed that these clowns managed to pull the wool over this countries eyes long enough to get into office. Let's get rid of them and be proud of our country again.


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SubRon7 4 years ago from eastern North Dakota

CMerritt, I'd like to add to these great comments, but Hyphenbird, Longhunter, Grammalinda, and Will Starr, are saying it very much how it is. And I remember Nikita Kruschev saying that, I also remember seeing him pounding a UN desk with his shoe, I believe, or maybe his fist. Seems like it was his shoe.

CMerritt, again, I salute you! And now I'd like to add Beckykatz


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Hi Hyphenbird,

I too find it a solution to those who hate this country.....perhaps they pack and move, and see if they can find one better.

Thank you for stopping by its good to see you, I always appreciate it.

Chris


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

SubRon,

Thanks for comments, I think you are right, he WAS banging his shoe!

Chris


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Longhunter I have NO doubt that many of our great forefathers are spinning...I pray that 2012 is the beginning of healing of this wonderful country.

Thanks for coming by, Nice to see you and I wish YOU a Merry Christmas.

Chris


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

WillStarr

Nikita Khrushchev's prophecy you claimed is quite alarming when you think of it....the enemy within.


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Deborah Brooks 4 years ago from Brownsville,TX

I am an AMERICAN AND I AM PROUD TO BE ONE.. thank you for this HUB.. I voted up and awesome..


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Thanks Deborah Brooks, you votes are very kind and appreciated


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spiritwalker1969 4 years ago from Manchester,TN.

It is simple as this no matter what got thrown into the pot now.America was founded on the word of God and was before then and also built up on the Godly people, but when the Ten Commandments that was not in the way you had a choice to go see it or not had to be hidden in a clauset and it was ok to say God but people would get angry if you said Jesus the Living Word of God, then the wright to pray proudly not scaredly or not at all,as I am many others are at fault let the redeemed of the Lord say so,not very many did and it's going down but if one will not quit another may start and America can be seen with all her glory God put together because America and it's children are woth it, God Bless and Merry Christmas


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Merry Christmas spiritwalker, and I appreciate your response.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX

Rant on CMerritt. I always love a good rant especially when it hits the nail squarely on the head. Sometimes we all just have to let it out where everyone can see it.

The Frog


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Thanks frog, It does feel good to let it all out, especially whey you are passionate about something.

thank you much for dropping by

:)


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moonstruck4ever 4 years ago from somewhere in upstate New York

Love your rants CMerritt! Rant away!

You are so right on!

I am a 13 yr. Navy veteran and damn proud of it!

I love my country!

I will fight to the death to keep my country intact, warts and all. :-)

Well written!!!


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

I think people bash America because America has caused a lot of misery and suffering in the world. Consider the thousands of Iraqis that have died because of the illegal war in Iraq. Troops who fight there are committing war crimes. Think of the fact that CIA created Al Qaeda. Think of the fact that the United States was active in the war in Libya DESPITE Obama having received a Nobel Peace Prize.

"It is Americans that PROUDLY grows the food that feeds starving people all over this earth. It is PROUD Americans that develops the drugs and delivers, personally, to cure the sick across this world"

Who told you this? What proof do you have of this?

Are you even aware that it was the United States and the UK who provided Saddam Hussein with chemical weapons to gas his people?

Are you aware that Al Qaeda member Anwar Awlaki dined at the Pentagon just months after 9-11?

Are you aware that law has been passed whereby Americans can be arrested and taken to Guatanamo Bay if they accused of terrorism and have no trial and be indefinitely detained?

Is this a country you should be proud of?


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moonstruck4ever 4 years ago from somewhere in upstate New York

I am and will continue to be proud of America until the day I die.

I see that you are rather young Claire. Someday you will understand....hopefully. Until then, I kind of feel sorry for you, with all due respect. But you *are* young yet.

I am NOT proud of my current government. I am frightened by it. I am frightened by the left-leaning policies being foisted upon me and my fellow Americans, without our consent.

Until we the people take our government back (hopefully in this next election) it will continue to decline.

I LOVE AMERICA!

And yes, I am aware of a lot of things this regime has done. I don't like any of them. We need to get Obozo out of OUR white house! We need to take all branches of our government back!

We need leaders who don't go around the world bashing America.

End of story.


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Dave Mathews 4 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

I agree you must be happy about and love and appreciate the country you are born and raised in. To do any less, makes no sense. People are frustrated and need a whipping post to lash out at and it is easy to attack their politicians or their country. Doesn't mean thy love it any less its just a way of releasing frustrations.

Personally I feel what they should be doing is to verbally attack those who would teardown the Christian lifestyle that the country was started on Muslims, Pakistanis, Indians Punjabi, who wish to replace American values with their own cultural values.


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

Understand what, moonstruck? Understand why some Americans are in denial about their country? I actually feel sorry for the Americans who can now be abducted and never be heard of again and it's law.


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American View 4 years ago from Plano, Texas

Claire

Some advise and please take it seriously. It is better to people think you are ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. First just for clarification, the bill you speak of is not law, it does not become law unless Obama signs it.Next, go read it, I did, it is only 926 pages and pretty boring reading, but doing so will educate you to the fact that no one gets abducted, sent away and never heard from again. I am currently writing an article on this so be looking for it to truly understand what it says. And last, do not take talking points and the media at their word.


femmeflashpoint 4 years ago

CMerritt,

Still proud and thankful to be American.

I still get a lump in my throat too when I hear our anthem or TAPS.

And, in attending as many funerals as I have (far more than I can begin to count as it's part of the nature of one of the business I'm associated with), I'm nearly always saddened at every service because no longer do civilians automatically stand and place their hand over their heart while TAPS is played.

Just thought I'd throw that in there in event anyone has the unfortunate privilege of attending any military services in the future.

This is a wonderful hub.

You're making a difference. :)


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Becky Katz 4 years ago from Hereford, AZ

We also need to abolish Homeland security. It has taken so many of our rights away. And before you accuse me of being very young, look at my post above and read my profile. She is right about some things. Obama received a peace prize and I was totally bewildered by that. I still have not figured out what he did to deserve it. He talked a lot but he also lied a lot.


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast)

I dunno, Chris, I don't hear your voice often enough. I can be proud of my heritage without failing to recognize that others in other countries are proud of their as well. We do live in a great country where the ability to express ones opinion freely and openly is one to be cherished. Happy holidays to you Cred2


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Moonstruck,

Thank YOU for your thoughts on this, and THANK YOU for serving our country, as well you should be very proud. I appreciate your comments.

Chris


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Claire,

First of all, the mere thought that you can somehow drum any notion that radical Islamic militants are the results of America is beyond any logical conversation.

Second of all, if you need proof of the technology that was developed HERE in the USA, by American entrepreneurs and if you need proof of the generosity that Americans graciously spread throughout this world….then there is not much more that can be said.

YOU are the perfect example of to whom I am referring too. Do YOU have an ounce of proof of YOUR accusations?

Folks, I have never claimed that we, the USA, are perfect. We have made mistakes as a Nation, but as a people, we have built one incredible nation, that needs NEVER to apologize.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Dave M

I do agree strongly about our heritage, and the Christian influence it had. So many want to rewrite history and to make kids today to be ashamed of this somehow, and I can tell you this, MY kids understand fully the awesome impact the God has on this Nation, and its birth.

As always, I appreciate your thoughts and opinions,

Chris


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

American View,

I look forward to your new article, and I thank you for your input on this.

Chris :)


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Femmeflashpoint,

That is another great example of some touching American pride….that being a military funeral. That about rips my heart out to hear Taps and a gun salute.

Thank you for your kind remarks, your words mean very much to me.

Chris


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Becky,

I think I may have to disagree with you regarding Homeland Security. I think it plays a significant role in keeping this nation safe, though I do think we must be careful in growing this nations size of government.

Obama did NOTHING to deserve any prize other than he was given this by a bunch of liberal, socialists who have an agenda.

Your remarks are always welcome though,

Chris :)


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

HI Cred2, good to see you,

I am in no way, putting other nations down, and I understand that there are many out there that very well SHOULD be proud.

We are no exception though.

I am happy that YOU are eager to comply with our proudness and with all my heart; I wish YOU a very happy holiday!

Chris


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

@AmericanView:

You read all 926 pages? Wow…

You are technically right. It isn’t law until Obama signs but he says he will. There are a few things that need to be discusses, though.

Senator Carl Levon said about the bill:

“The language which precluded the application of Section 1031 to American citizens was in the bill that we originally approved…and the administration asked us to remove the language which says that U.S. citizens and lawful residents would not be subject to this section,” said Levin, Chairman of the Armed Services Committee.

Another sponsor of the bill – Senator Levin – has also repeatedly said that the bill applies to American citizens on American soil, citing the Supreme Court case of Hamdi which ruled that American citizens can be treated as enemy combatants:

“The Supreme Court has recently ruled there is no bar to the United States holding one of its own citizens as an enemy combatant,” said Levin. “This is the Supreme Court speaking.“

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/19594...

U.S. Congressman Justin Amash wrote to Congress expressing great fear of this Bill:

The Senate’s [bill] does not even distinguish between American citizens and non-citizens, or between persons caught domestically and abroad. The President’s power, in his discretion, to detain persons he determines have supported associated forces applies just as strongly to Americans seized on U.S. soil as it does to foreigners captured on a far away battlefield.

http://amash.house.gov/sites/amash.house.gov/files...

Larry Wilkerson, a retired colonel of US and Colin Powell’s chief of staff, said this bill is the road to tyranny:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...

Why have these people who have access to this bill so concerned but you are not? I am very concerned and I’m not American. Many people in Guatanamo Bay will never see the light of day not even being convicted or tried for any crime.

This Bill has been in the pipeline for quite some time, actually. In fact, way back to the Bush Administration:

Article from 2002:

"Attorney General John Ashcroft's announced desire for camps for U.S. citizens he deems to be 'enemy combatants' has moved him from merely being a political embarrassment to being a constitutional menace." Actually, ever since General Ashcroft pushed the U.S. Patriot Act through an overwhelmingly supine Congress soon after September 11, he has subverted more elements of the Bill of Rights than any attorney general in American history.

Under the Justice Department's new definition of "enemy combatant"—which won the enthusiastic approval of the president and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld—anyone defined as an "enemy combatant," very much including American citizens, can be held indefinitely by the government, without charges, a hearing, or a lawyer. In short, incommunicado.

Two American citizens—Yaser Esam Hamdi and Jose Padilla—are currently locked up in military brigs as "enemy combatants." (Hamdi is in solitary in a windowless room.) As Harvard Law Professor Lawrence Tribe said on ABC's Nightline (August 12):

"It bothers me that the executive branch is taking the amazing position that just on the president's say-so, any American citizen can be picked up, not just in Afghanistan, but at O'Hare Airport or on the streets of any city in this country, and locked up without access to a lawyer or court just because the government says he's connected somehow with the Taliban or Al Qaeda. That's not the American way. It's not the constitutional way. . . . And no court can even figure out whether we've got the wrong guy."

In Hamdi's case, the government claims it can hold him for interrogation in a floating navy brig off Norfolk, Virginia, as long as it needs to. When Federal District Judge Robert Doumar asked the man from the Justice Department how long Hamdi is going to be locked up without charges, the government lawyer said he couldn't answer that question. The Bush administration claims the judiciary has no right to even interfere.

Now more Americans are also going to be dispossessed of every fundamental legal right in our system of justice and put into camps. Jonathan Turley reports that Justice Department aides to General Ashcroft "have indicated that a 'high-level committee' will recommend which citizens are to be stripped of their constitutional rights and sent to Ashcroft's new camps."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/744575/post...

@CMerrit:

“First of all, the mere thought that you can somehow drum any notion that radical Islamic militants are the results of America is beyond any logical conversation.”

I never makes claim without backing it up. I’m going to give excerpts of the information I’ve collected over the years and provide links.

About Anwar Al-Awlaki

“Anwar Al-Awlaki may be the first American on the CIA's kill or capture list, but he was also a lunch guest of military brass at the Pentagon within months of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, Fox News has learned.

Documents exclusively obtained by Fox News, including an FBI interview conducted after the Fort Hood shooting in November 2009, state that Awlaki was taken to the Pentagon as part of the military’s outreach to the Muslim community in the immediate aftermath of the attacks.”

So here we have the Pentagon embraces Awlaki as a pal then justifies his murder because he is a terrorist. Explain?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/20/al-qaeda-terr...

The Taliban was the result of the United States:

In 1998, Zbigniew Brzezinki, who was the United States Security Advisor to President Jimmy Carter from 1977 to 1981 claimed that the United States is responsible for the existence of the Taliban. He was quoted as saying, “What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet Empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe at the end of the cold war?” when pushed by Le Nouvel Observateur, a prominent French general information magazine based in Paris. He is talking about the invasion of Russian in Afghanistan in 1979. Brzezenski was quoted as saying:

“We actually did provide some support to the Mujahideen before the invasion. We did not push the Russians into invading, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.” He also bragged: “That secret operation was an excellent idea. The effect was to draw the Russians into the Afghan trap.”

http://stevenjohnhibbs.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/af...

Hillary Clinton said:

“While at the same time realizing that there’s a lot of other moving parts to this. And the United States, to some extent, has to acknowledge, being among the creators of the problem we are now dealing with. It seemed like a great idea, back in the ’80s to– embolden– and train and equip– Taliban, mujahidin, jihadists against the Soviet Union, which had invaded Afghanistan. And with our help and with the Pakistani support– this group– including, at that time, Bin Laden, defeated the Soviet Union. Drove them out of Afghanistan, eventually. Saw the fall of the government that they had installed. And the rest we know. They eventually took over. But when we accomplished our primary mission of seeing the Soviet Union thrown out of Afghanistan, we withdrew. And we left the problems of a well-equipped, fundamentalist, ideological and religious group that had been battle hardened to the Afghans and the Pakistanis”.

So, I think it’s understandable that people are saying, sort of, “Well, what’s your real commitment? What are you trying to accomplish? Do you understand the historical context and the regional geostrategic context?” So, I think it’s important to pose it as you do. Let’s look at it in the broader question. It’s not about do we put more troops in or not? Do we do this on economic development or not? You have to look at it in that broader context.

WASHINGTON, Oct 6th, 2009.

Katie Couric I


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Claire,

If America is guilty of anything it is they stuck their heads in the sand when they should have been on the offensive towards radical islamic muslims...thier one and only mission is to instill jihad through out the world....American liberalism falls right into this very dangerous trap.

One reason why conservative America always placed value in a strong military.......peace through strength is as prevaliant as ever, yet tearing down America by all means is simply part of the plan...by these radicals.

the bottom line in this world, there is there is good and evil....I know that America and Americans is good, and they have displayed this without any doubts through out history.


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Becky Katz 4 years ago from Hereford, AZ

Chris, Disagreeing is fine. We have that RIGHT. We also have enough class to disagree without it becoming a war of name calling. No offense taken.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Becky, I meant no offense and do not believe I was name calling, but if you did take it that way, it was not meant in a direct or mean way.

Chris


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Becky Katz 4 years ago from Hereford, AZ

No, that is not what I meant. I was commenting on the civility of this. I was not offended at all.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Good, I wanted to be sure....and thank you for that comment!

:)


Sueswan 4 years ago

Hi CMerritt

Being proud of your country is not being arrogant. I am proud to be a Canadian.

Voted up and awesome.

Merry Christmas to you and your family.


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WillStarr 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"Being proud of your country is not being arrogant. I am proud to be a Canadian."

Apparently, it is only wrong to be proud of your country if you are an American. For everyone else, it's OK.

I guess that's the rule, according to the left.


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

CMerrit, are you in denial? How can they create Al Qaeda and the Taliban, then go on the offensive? How can they be good when they provided Saddam Hussein with chemical weapons which he used to kill his people? American's are good but the American government is Satan personified.

Any good America has done has been dwarfed by its evil.


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

Whoops! Just realized that I didn't submit my whole comment!

Osama bin Laden, America's bogyman, was recruited by the CIA in 1979 at the very outset of the US sponsored jihad. He was 22 years old and was trained in a CIA sponsored guerilla training camp.

During the Reagan administration, Osama, who belonged to the wealthy Saudi Bin Laden family was put in charge of raising money for the Islamic brigades. Numerous charities and foundations were created. The operation was coordinated by Saudi intelligence, headed by Prince Turki al-Faisal, in close liaison with the CIA. The money derived from the various charities were used to finance the recruitment of Mujahieen volunteers. Al Qaeda, the base in Arabic was a data bank of volunteers who had enlisted to fight in the Afghan jihad. That data base was initially held by Osama bin Laden.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article22551.html

The US intelligence helped Saddam’s Ba’ath Party seize power for the first time in 1963. Saddam was even on the CIA payroll as early on as 1959

It is actually Donald Rumsveld, the US Secretary of Defence who met with Saddam in 1983 to organise for American companies to sell to Baghdad biological and chemical weapons components, most particularly anthrax and bubonic plague cultures, newly declassified US governments revealed. This ninety minute meeting with Saddam resulted in a US policy under then president Ronald Reagan and George Bush Snr that made Saddam an ally throughout the 1980s.

The declassified government documents further revealed that Washington was so obsessed with this policy that it stepped up arm supplies and diplomatic activity to Iraq despite the knowledge that Saddam was gassing Kurds in northern Iraq in March 1988.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/iraq/iraq-conflict-the...


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Thank you Sueswan,and a Merry Christmas to YOU!

:)

Chris


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Will, it seems so obvious to me, that there are very many on the left that is hell-bent on destroying our heritage and its association with God and Biblical principals that played an import role in our success as a nation.

As alway, I love it when you stop by to leave your comments.

Chris


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Claire,

To be honest, you or I have no idea what all our CIA has been involved with. What I do know is that Americans have been kept safe and secure. I do know that Iraq was an ally of ours, and we supported them to assure the best interests of the United States.

We can debate if that was right or wrong, but please do not bash this country and associate it with evil. All of the great things that America has done for the entire world was possible because of the liberty and freedoms we have managed to obtain throughout our history.


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WillStarr 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

I have zero faith in the accuracy of outfits who use phrases like 'economic justice' and 'social justice' to describe who they are. That's left wing code for socialism.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

BINGO! Thanks Will for pointing that out, because you are very correct. Social or economic equality really is nothing more than disguised attempt to enforce a complete control of the state of affairs of its citizens.


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

Americans have been kept safe and secure? Secure from Muslim men in turbans plotting to bring down 4 American plans, bypass the FAA and NORAD on 9-11, defy the law of physics and never to repeat the same feat again because the security has been "tightened up a bit"? The United States government was complicit in 9-11. That's not exactly keeping Americans safe.

And you know all those Christmas bomber stories? Completely fabricated nonsense from the FBI. Nobody wants to attack your country.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/16/fbi-en...

"I do know that Iraq was an ally of ours, and we supported them to assure the best interests of the United States."

Here is the problem right here. What is the best interest of the United States? To see thousands of innocent Iraqis die from their chemical weapons? How would you feel if your loved one was killed by US chemical weapons?

Why was the monster Saddam Hussein the United States' ally? Is this your idea of what is right and noble?

You keep going on about what the good things America has done. That is no excuse to turn a blind eye to the evil. Evil thrives when good men do nothing.

I haven't even gotten into the occult aspect of the United States whereby many of those in the government and elite worship a Satanic god at Bohemian Grove and make mock (that's only what has been proven) human sacrifices.

You don't seem to know much about your country and that is the problem. You think it was ridiculous that I pointed out that the relationship between Islamic extremists and the United States, then learnt I was actually right yet you still go back to your original opinion. What else do you not know about your country?

All Americans might unite and rebuke the government, along with the CIA, etc, for their evil. That goes for all countries around the world. South Africa got a good beating for Apartheid.


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WillStarr 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"The United States government was complicit in 9-11."

Oh, brother!

OK, now we know who you are, and that you should just be ignored.


Longhunter 4 years ago

"The United States government was complicit in 9-11."

Obviously Claire needs to take her head out of the sand. I was going to say another orifice but the gentleman in me won't let me.

Saying more would be like having a battle of wits with an unarmed person.


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Lord De Cross 4 years ago

CMerrit,

Proud to be American too! We have defended Our values with examples that don't need to be talked about in here. Our older son is in The Airforce and our 18 years old will join soon. We need to understand that there is nothing better than this 'land of the free'

LORD


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Will, you are right, those who choose to actually think that our own government had anything to do with 9/11 does not leave any room for a logical discussion.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Longhunter, you ARE one classy individual, and your actions and words speak clearly of you.

Chris


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

lord,

Thank you for raising fine young men, who "get it". I too have a son who is serving...

We cannot let those with an agenda try to chip away from the truths that this land WAS built on.

Thanks for following, and I will be visiting you soon.

Chris


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Becky Katz 4 years ago from Hereford, AZ

With the corruption of Claire's countries problems, she should be fighting them, Not America. She needs to get her priorities straight.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

great point Becky. After doing a little research, it appears that the United States gives over 1/2 a billion dollars annually to South Africa for aid, take that along with several thousand missionaries who volunteer there own time and efforts to help the poor....this gal sure does bash with the best of them.

She needs to spend more time on the corruption in her own country and quit begrading the very government who supplies an extreme amount of good for that nation.


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Becky Katz 4 years ago from Hereford, AZ

America gives to everybody. If we quit giving to other countries, this whole world would fall apart. And no one ever pays us back for some reason.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Sometimes I think we should NOT pay for 1-year and see how many countries start being REAL nice to us once again.


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tammyswallow 4 years ago from North Carolina

Chris,

I admire you for your patriotism! I love your hub. I must say you have a great deal of class when dealing with people who try to be difficult for the sake of being difficult. There is a reason some people have been on hub pages more than a year and have accumulated only 13 followers. Please don't change!


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Hi Tammy and thank you for your very nice words.

I did notice the very few followers of this particular person that you are speaking of.....kind of all makes sense now, doesn't it....lol

I apprecitate you stopping by.

Chris


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

Oh my goodness...CMerritt, how much research have you done in 9-11 being an inside job? I bet you none! You still speak warmly about your country even though they were in league in Saddam Hussein, gave him the weapons to kill and created al Qaeda and puts Satanic symbols on their dollar bills. The pyramid and the all seeing eye is what I'm talking about. And worships Lillith. You think that is perfectly okay. What kind of person are you? I don't get it. Unless you have been seriously brain-washed and that is exactly what I think you are.

And you and Tammy are extremely spiteful. You know why I have few followers? It's because of the topics I write. There are very few people who want to know about the truth of the world so won't want to subscribe to me.

I am going to post information proving 9-11 was an inside job. I want you to refute EVERY point because clearly you are an expert on this topic. And Tammy, too. I am going to work on it now.

About the donations...incredible that the US government aids other countries but doesn't give a damn about its own people. How can the US give aid to other countries when they are trillions of dollars in debt? Where does the money come from to pay other countries? The government should be spending that invisible money on creating jobs for the American people. And where does the money for war come from? Poverty in America, but who cares? As long as there is money for war.

As much as the corruption in South Africa appalls me, especially the new Secrecy Bill which would enable the government to jail journalists for 25 years if they expose government corruption. However, the reason why I concentrate on the United States is because it is invading the Middle East with all the wars causing blood-shed, with the aim of creating a one world government. The New World Order is another topic all together.

I'll be back. Please approve of my comment, you not doing so mean you can't refute my points on 9-11. A lot of effort goes into this.


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Becky Katz 4 years ago from Hereford, AZ

Claire, no one cares what you think. If we did, we would follow you and read your hubs. We think you are a conspiracy freak. Prove it elsewhere. We don't care. Quit messing with the U.S. until your own country is clean. We will take care of ours.


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Becky Katz 4 years ago from Hereford, AZ

I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that. It is mean. It is not my hub to say it on. I just got mad at her because with all her countries faults, she feels she has to pick on ours. And I am fiercely protective of my country. I wish everyone was, including our idiot president.


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

Becky, this is the problem. Nobody seems to care about evil anymore. Don't the victims of 9-11 deserve the truth? Should they have died for a lie? Don't you want to know the truth? When I think of those who have suffered because of war, I want to cry. I am fiercely protective of the innocent. Just put yourself in these people's position for a moment. Imagine if Iraq accused America of having WMDs and it wasn't true and they invaded the country and killed hundreds and thousands of Americans and annihilated the infrastructure. If an Iraqi said they were bursting with pride about what their country had done, would you smile and think it is nice that he is so patriotic? These aren't rhetorical questions. I would really like you to answer them. I'm try to understand people's mindsets but it's really hard for me.


Longhunter 4 years ago

Claire, I'm not going to be as nice as Becky.

Given your countries long, hideous history with an ugly thing called Apartheid and the horrible stories that came from that, perhaps you would do better to look at the problems in your own backyard rather than sticking your nose in where it's not wanted nor belongs. Or in two simple words perhaps even you can understand – BUTT OUT!!!

Sorry, CMerritt. I couldn't help myself.


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

Longhunter. Reasons why I'm concentrating on the US:

1.)This is a blog on the US

2.) The United States create wars by putting terrorists like Saddam into power and then "solves" the problem by ousting him out by going to war.

I've never defended South Africa. I suffer no delusions.

Now the 9-11 argument:

First of all, we need to discuss just how the US plans terrorists attacks on their own civilians to blame on their enemies in the past.

In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected to the agency, he notes.

The Joint Chiefs even proposed using the potential death of astronaut John Glenn during the first attempt to put an American into orbit as a false pretext for war with Cuba, the documents show.

Should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, they wrote, "the objective is to provide irrevocable proof … that the fault lies with the Communists et all Cuba [sic]."

The plans were motivated by an intense desire among senior military leaders to depose Castro, who seized power in 1959 to become the first communist leader in the Western Hemisphere — only 90 miles from U.S. shores.

"The whole thing was so bizarre," says Bamford, noting public and international support would be needed for an invasion, but apparently neither the American public, nor the Cuban public, wanted to see U.S. troops deployed to drive out Castro.

Reflecting this, the U.S. plan called for establishing prolonged military — not democratic — control over the island nation after the invasion.

"That's what we're supposed to be freeing them from," Bamford says. "The only way we would have succeeded is by doing exactly what the Russians were doing all over the world, by imposing a government by tyranny, basically what we were accusing Castro himself of doing."

One idea was to create a war between Cuba and another Latin American country so that the United States could intervene. Another was to pay someone in the Castro government to attack U.S. forces at the Guantanamo naval base — an act, which Bamford notes, would have amounted to treason. And another was to fly low level U-2 flights over Cuba, with the intention of having one shot down as a pretext for a war.

"There really was a worry at the time about the military going off crazy and they did, but they never succeeded, but it wasn't for lack of trying," he says.

Notice the “hijacking planes” part. Sound familiar?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1#.Tv...

Luckily, President JFK wouldn’t allow this to go through!!

Regarding 9-11, the points are rather random.

ISI Director Lieutenant General Mahmood Ahmed, the alleged “money-man” behind the 9-11 hijackers, was already in Washington at the time of the 9-11 attacks, having arrived in Washington on the 4th. On the morning of September 11, General Ahmad attended a breakfast meeting with three lawmakers, Bob Graham, Porter Goss and John Kyl, the latter being part of the Congressional delegation to Pakistan. Pakistan’s ambassador to the US, Maleeha Lodhi, was also present along with several members of the Senate and House Intelligence committee, allegedly to talk about Osama bin Laden. This was a follow-up meeting to that one held in Pakistan in late August. There, Senator Bob Graham, Representative Porter Goss and Senator Jon Kyl were on a top level mission in Islamabad. Meetings were held with President Pervez Musharraf as well as General Mahmood Ahmad. It must have been known that the ISI (Inter Services Intelligence) was a supporter of a number of Islamic terrorist organizations.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO407A.html

Senator Bob Graham made this comment to the Washington Post in 2002:

Senator Graham states:

"On the morning of Sept. 11, Goss and Graham were having breakfast with a Pakistani general named Mahmood Ahmed — the soon-to-be-sacked head of Pakistan’s intelligence service. Ahmed ran a spy agency notoriously close to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban." (Washington Post, 18 May 2002).

On the morning of September 11th, 2001, Dick Cheney was running several war gamesin the north eastern portion of the United States. These drills included many hijacking scenarios, where commercial jets were hijacked and flown into buildings. At the same time Cheney had arranged for a drill involving a bio attack on NY. This resulted in FEMA setting up a command post on pier 29 in New York on September 10th.

Some of these drill were scheduled for later in the year but Dick Cheney rescheduled them and made sure that they all took place on the same day. This was unprecedented.

The war games involved live fly exercises, and electronic drills where fake blips were placed on radar screens. Cheney was in charge of a communications system that superseded those of the FAA, NORAD and NEADS. Some of the drills possibly included remote control planes.

This caused tremendous confusion and that is the partial reason why there was a delay in deploying the fighter jets. Isn’t this too much of a coincidence especially since Bush said no one couldn’t possibly have foreseen such a terrorist attack?

http://tvnewslies.org/html/9_11_facts.html

http://tvnewslies.org/html/refusing_the_9_11_evide...

EXERCISE INCLUDED SIMULATED COMMUNICATION OUTAGES

We also need to consider whether actions incorporated into the training exercises affected lines of communication that would have been critical for enabling a swift response to the terrorist attacks. Some evidence indicates this may have been the case. For example, one of the listed objectives of the September 2001 Global Guardian was to “simulate outages between NC2 [nuclear command and control] nodes requiring alternate routes to maintain connectivity.” Another objective was for participants to “determine operational impacts and work-arounds to simulated C4I [command, control, communications, computers, and intelligence] outages.” The official after-action report on the exercise did not elaborate on what these “simulated C4I outages” involved. [40]

Certainly, those in NORAD’s CMOC, who had been participating in Vigilant Guardian, appear to have experienced significant communication problems. William Glover recalled that the time of the 9/11 attacks was his “first time, you know, thinking about the fog of war, because we didn’t know what was going on.” [41] Major General Rick Findley, NORAD’s director of operations, commented, “I wouldn’t call it flat-footed, but we were a little bit behind the power curve most of that morning as we were trying to figure out exactly what transpired.” [42] And Lieutenant Colonel Steven Armstrong, NORAD’s chief of plans and forces, has complained that he and his colleagues “were out there in an information void, just looking for anything that we could find.” He said, “All the information we were getting at the time was really off the TV.” [43]

http://www.infowars.com/on-911-the-u-s-military-wa...

The below video goes into more detail on the practice drills that just happened to be on the same days as the real terrorist attacks. Wa


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Claire, I will not delete any post (as long as it does not become offensive to my readers).

Claire, I have read some of your hubs and some of your posts. I think you are sincere, and have very good intentions. I however, am not a “conspiracy theorist” nor do I buy into all of that. I am also, not a spiteful person. I AM 100% proud of my country, and I will NOT apologize for nothing.

As far as your wild thought of evil regarding our “Eye of Providence” on our currency………..it is nothing more than a longstanding symbol of God’s eye in Christianity (the triangle represents the three points of Father, Son and Holy Spirit). The forefathers of the United States intended to show that God was overseeing the birth of a new nation, which is reinforced by the Latin phrase above it “Annuit Coeptis” which means, “He has favoured our undertaking.”

Regarding 9/11 as an inside job, well, I have read all of the so-called theories….and I don’t buy any of that….it is nothing more than what it is. al-Qaeda hi-jacked four planes and flew them into the twin towers, the pentagon and attempted another building in Washington DC, killing over 3,000 people.

Your opinions and concerns, are always welcome, but I will not put up with disrespect to my followers, myself, OR my country.

With that said, please use this train of thought with further posting on this hub.

Chris


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Longhunter, no apologies needed....you said it very well.

Chris


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Becky Katz 4 years ago from Hereford, AZ

Claire, I care very much about evil. Your country is evil. Fix it and then worry about the rest of the world. We fix the evil in our country by going to the polls and getting the idiots out of office. We fix evil by telling our representatives that we don't want any more of the garbage coming out of this country. We fix evil by putting crooked politicians in jail. We fix evil by working through the DemocraticRepublic process, try it. Oh, you can't, your country does not allow it. We also have protests and don't get killed over then. Like I said before, fix your country first. We will take care of ours. I have been working on it for years. I still love my country. It is the best place in the world to live free. The word from us is: BUTT OUT!


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tammyswallow 4 years ago from North Carolina

Not spiteful Ms. Evans.. just disappointed. I don't understand why someone who dislikes something so much dedicates so much time to it. Perhaps if you dedicated this much effort to your own country's problems you could fix the apartheid. Perhaps you could take yoga classes or something to help you deal with your misplaced anger and desperation for attention. Try knitting or something. I am sure your outstanding country has the world's best psychotherapists who can give you counseling for your problems and help you understand that you are embarrassing yourself. Poor misdirected child.

Chris, I wish you and yours a WONDERFUL AMERICAN Christmas! Keep up the good work. God Bless America!!!!!!


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

I should never had underestimated the power of brain-washing and denial. It's mind control and that takes years to undo.

I realize Hubpages cuts off my comments when they are too long. You missed the best part of my comment. Regarding the part that did get posted, don't you think it is strange that there was a practice drill on the same day as 9-11? You didn't bother to address that? And Operation Northwood...lol. Did you not understand what was written in it? I checked that it was in English.

Anyhoo, here's the rest of the comment:

Watch the full series:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em_XyTeNA1g&feature...

I have also researched to what some highly credible people had to say about 9-11 and by no means are they conspiracy theorists:

"I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described," John Farmer, a former New Jersey attorney general who led the staff inquiry into events on Sept. 11, said in a recent interview. "The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. . . . This is not spin. This is not true."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic...

A former Congressman, Daniel Hamburg, says that the U.S. government created Al-Qaeda and was involved in bombing its own citizens on 9/11, telling a national radio show that elements of the Bush administration assisted the attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon.

"I'm in the assisted it to happen camp - I think there was a lot of help from the inside, this whole thing was not engineered from a cave in Afghanistan," he added.

"The evidence that Al-Qaeda is actually an arm of the U.S. government is voluminous....I know that's true," concluded Hamburg, citing the PNAC group's call for a new Pearl Harbor shortly before the 2001 terror attacks.

"it's hard for people to believe that their government could be as insidious as this one is but the evidence is there," concluded Hamburg

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/february2008/0222...

Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech). Former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology. 22-year Air Force career. Also taught Mathematics and English at the University of Southern California, the University of Maryland, and Phillips University.

"Scholars and professionals with various kinds of expertise---including architects, engineers, firefighters, intelligence officers, lawyers, medical professionals, military officers, philosophers, religious leaders, physical scientists, and pilots---have spoken out about radical discrepancies between the official account of the 9/11 attacks and what they, as independent researchers, have learned.

They have established beyond any reasonable doubt that the official account of 9/11 is false and that, therefore, the official “investigations” have really been cover-up operations.

Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, MS Aeronautical Science, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Retired U.S. Air Force command fighter pilot. Former instructor; U.S. Air Force Fighter Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program.

Statement to this website 3/25/07: "After 4+ years of research since retirement in 2002, I am 100% convinced that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were planned, organized, and committed by treasonous perpetrators that have infiltrated the highest levels of our government. It is now time to take our country back.

Lt. Col. Paul F. Getty, DDS (ret) – Retired after 30 years of military service including 13 active duty years in Navy and 11 years Army National Guard.

Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"This event changed history. Finally having the American people understand the complicity of our government will also change history, for the better." http://www.ae911truth.org

http://patriotsquestion911.com/#Davis

September 23, 2007 – Seven CIA veterans have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and have called for a new investigation. “I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke,” said Raymond McGovern, 27-year veteran of the CIA, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates during the seventies.“There are a whole bunch of unanswered questions. And the reason they’re unanswered is because this administration will not answer the questions,” he said.

Poor deluded people! No ways could the US been involved despite the fact that they created Al Qaeda! Preposterous!

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alan_mil_0...

I could go on and one but I think I’ve made my point. Feel free to ask for more evidence once you have given me a full rebuttal.

Second comment will be separate.


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Becky Katz 4 years ago from Hereford, AZ

I am not saying you are not right Claire. What I am saying is, CLEAN UP YOUR OWN BACK YARD. Let us worry about ours. BUTT OUT!!!


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

@ Becky, you don't care about the evil in the country. Your country murdered about a million people in Iraq and Afghanistan. I do not by any means like our government, they are showing signs of tyranny, but they don't go to wars that have NOTHING to do with them and kill innocent people.

My goodness, you just ASSUME that people in South Africa don't go to the poll in favour of a better government. How dare you. The majority of people favour the ANC and there is NOTHING that the public can do about it. Unless the elections get rigged and someone like George Bush Jnr gets in.

“We fix the evil in our country by going to the polls and getting the idiots out of office.”

Wow, you finally have admitted that there is evil in your country, unlike CMerrit who is 100% proud of his country.

I know far more about how your country is run than you. For example, you actually think for one moment that your votes actually counts when it is the banks that put presidents into power. They don’t run the country. They are mere puppets.

Here is what the Global Elite say about the real rulers of the world and in Washington:

“For you see, the world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes.”

Benjamin Disraeli, British Prime Minister from 1868

“The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes”

Felix Frankfurter. Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court. In office. January 20, 1939 – August 28, 1962

“I believe that if the people of this nation fully understood what Congress has done to them over the last 49 years, they would move on Washington; they would not wait for an election... It adds up to a preconceived plan to destroy the economic and social independence of the United States!”

American civil engineer and Republican politician

"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens,) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove, that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government."

George Washington

“We also have protests and don't get killed over then”

But according to the new NDAA bill, think it’s that, you can be arrested without charge and trial:

“The Supreme Court has recently ruled there is no bar to the United States holding one of its own citizens as an enemy combatant,” said Senator Levin. “This is the Supreme Court speaking.”


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

@CMerrit

“As far as your wild thought of evil regarding our “Eye of Providence” on our currency………..it is nothing more than a longstanding symbol of God’s eye in Christianity”

Wow, who told you that nonsense? The pyramid and the evil eye is an OCCULT symbol. It is ancient and goes back to ancient Egypt. No Christians at the time.

“…Latin phrase above it “Annuit Coeptis” which means, “He has favoured our undertaking.”

Who has favoured? God is Lucifer in the occult. Yes, he has favoured the NEW WORLD ORDER! That is what “Novus Ordo Seclorum” means. Since when did Jesus told about a New World Order??

1776 is the year that the Illuminati was established. Adam Weishaupt established a secret society called the Order of the Illuminati on the 1st May, 1776.

The Illuminati seek to establish a New World Order. Their objectives are as follows:

1) Abolition of all ordered governments

2) Abolition of private property

3) Abolition of inheritance

4) Abolition of patriotism

5) Abolition of the family

6) Abolition of religion

7) Creation of a world government

http://www.truthcontrol.com/articles/history-new-w...

“We have therefore, in the 24th degree (Masonic Ritual), recited the principal incidents in the legend of Osiris and Isis … Everything good in Nature comes from Osiris… Osiris was the image of generative power. This was expressed by his symbolic statues … Osiris and Isis were the Sun and Moon … and is the All-Seeing Eye in our Lodges … Osiris was invoked as the God that resides in the Sun” (Morals and Dogma, Albert Pike, pgs. 474-477: Freemason and Illuminati member)

God, all seeing eye…

On this page, look at the Freemasonic hierarchy:

http://crossbearer-brian.tripod.com/id193.htm

“Regarding 9/11 as an inside job, well, I have read all of the so-called theories….and I don’t buy any of that”

And many people who are in Congress, the military, the CIA, architects, scientists and those who worked on the 9-11 Commissions Report disagree with you.

Would you like a debate on whether the 9-11 was an inside job and how the tower fells and World Trade Centre 7? A debate means you need to make a full rebuttal to each comment from your opponent. In a debate, you are not allowed to ignore an argument. Since you know so much about it, would you like to? Try and convince me that the government wasn’t in it! Prove it!


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

@Becky,

I will butt out when America butts out of the business of other countries. Libya and Syria have NOTHING to do with them. They do not pose a threat to the USA. Is it because they are concerned? No, but for argument's sake, so they are. Well, I butt into the USA's affairs because I am GENUINELY concerned. I hate it that the rulers of the USA treat their people so badly. To actually create a bill that just deems Americans terrorists without any evidence, or arrests them because of what they "might" do, is treason.

Did you know that if you ever associated yourself with an organization that had no criminal associations at the time you were supporting them, you could be arrested if they committed a crime considered terrorism, you would also be arrested because you ONCE associated yourself with them despite the fact you had long gone left. Not to mention the concentration camps around the country...

Maybe, I'm getting somewhere...you finally concede I may be right.


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

@Tammy,

"Not spiteful Ms. Evans.. just disappointed. I don't understand why someone who dislikes something so much dedicates so much time to it. Perhaps if you dedicated this much effort to your own country's problems you could fix the apartheid."

It's because I care about the Americans. About Apartheid, what are you talking about? Apartheid was abolished 17 years ago. LMAO!


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MonetteforJack 4 years ago from Tuckerton, NJ

CMeritt, thank you for your hub. I LOVE AMERICA & I AM PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN. Merry, merry CHRISTmas to you and your followers. God bless us and our country, USA!


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Becky Katz 4 years ago from Hereford, AZ

No, actually, I think you are nuts.


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moonstruck4ever 4 years ago from somewhere in upstate New York

Claire, your head must be very crowded. All those voices in there yammering for attention....ahem.

Have a very Merry Christmas.


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WillStarr 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Claire Evans,

OK, so you're another long winded, conspiracy loon...got it (and I say loon, because 9-11 conspiracy buffs believe the impossible!)

On September 11, 2001, 19 radical Islamic terrorists hijacked 4 airliners and flew them into the WTC towers, the Pentagon, and into a Pennsylvania farm, just as we all saw.

Period.

This country had nothing to do with it, and all you can come up with are the usual, never-ending conspiracy 'questions' and insinuations.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Tammy, and I wish you and yours a WONDERFUL AMERICAN Christmas too!


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

MonetteforJack, thank you for your support and kind words....I wish YOU a Merry Christmas


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Becky, your analogy would be correct, I do believe that she may be "nuts" as you put it.

Merry Chritsmas to you Becky

:)


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Will, you said it all, (correctly) in less than thirty words.

It is against my nature to "deny" comments or be flat out rude, but Ms Evans is pushing me.

Why some people just plain and simply cannot "get it" is alaming.


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Becky Katz 4 years ago from Hereford, AZ

Merry Christmas Chris. :D


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tammyswallow 4 years ago from North Carolina

Chris,

You are awesome and you are doing a great service for Americans. I love it and I will keep reading your wise hubs.

Don't know about you, but it isn't even Christmas yet and I have had my fill of fruit cake. :)


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SweetiePie 4 years ago from Southern California, USA

The founding fathers had more respect for the separation of state than politicians like Michelle Bachman. Actually church attendance was lower around the time of the American Revolution than it is now. There are many people who are Christian in this country, but the Constitution ensures the separation of church and state. It seems as if the religious people want to go against what our founding fathers wanted. Actually, if you sat down with Thomas Jefferson, some hardcore Christians would not like what he had to say. He actually wrote his own version of the Bible critiquing many passages, and was essentially a deist. Barack Obama is more of a hardline Christian than Jefferson was.


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SweetiePie 4 years ago from Southern California, USA

One thing I wanted to address where some of Claire's comments. There are decisions my country makes that I do not agree with, but anyone who thinks 9/11 was an inside job looks a little misinformed, to say the least. Also, with the history of apartheid and how Nelson Mandela was treated in South Africa, and how many foreign nationals are treated in there in custody battles, I would say there are some major problems with your country's history and politics as well.

Also, Al Qaeda was behind 9/11 and they admitted as much. I would like to have my country not involved in other countries, but I always shake my head when non-Americans are so quick to criticize the US at every turn. Every country on earth has things about it that are not the best, but you really have no place telling people they cannot be proud of the US. Actually, the US does provide a lot of food to others countries because of our size and the amount we export. China does too, so I am not sure why you were arguing with the writer of this hub on a simple fact like that. I do not agree with him on a lot of things, but you do seem a bit obsessed with bashing people for liking their own country.


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SweetiePie 4 years ago from Southern California, USA

Also, here is another link about how many South African farmers are mistreating their workers. Apartheid might have been abolished, but this sounds similar to what was happening in the American South after the Civil War with share cropping: http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/08/23/south-africa-fa...


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast)

Chris, I just thought that I woud weigh in. I have served in this country's armed forces and am proud to be an American citizen. But I am progressive and lean to the left, does that make me any less patriotic, or do I simply want to see America continue to improve, always living up to its creed and make me even more proud. I always am concerned about the 'right' where patriotism can become jingoism and that we don't as informed citizenry not blindly follow a lead because it is "patriotic". There is no one alive that have progressed so far as to not fail to recognize that there is always room for improvement. We are all thinking people let's not get caught up following anyone's drumbeat. Our country, right or wrong, but lets make sure that we are right from an objective standard and not a subjcective one.

Always better to Question Authority, then to be a dupe!

Merry Christmas to you and the gang here... Cred2


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

@Becky and Chris

"No, actually, I think you are nuts."

Okay, someone who tells the truth and proves it is nuts. Got it.

I just have to have a chuckle, Becky. First you say I may be right then you say I'm nuts. Go figure...

@Will and Sweetiepie, would you like a formal debate about it? Prove that I, and those who worked on the 9-11 Commissioners Report, architects, those in the military and Congress, are crazy! You know so much about 9-11. You should annihilate my argument!

Don't you think it is really strange that the US produced a list of the hijackers on the same day and guess what? FIVE of the hijackers are alive!

From the BBC:

"Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well.

The identities of four of the 19 suspects accused of having carried out the attacks are now in doubt.

Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1559151.stm

This is just one of the countless lies the FBI and the government has told. Why even tell a single lie if they are 100% truthful? The FBI hasn't even updated the list. They still say that the plane was hijacked by 19 people.

RT interview on the subject by Dr. David Ray Griffin who is a professor and author who wrote The New Pearl Harbor Revisited:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9kEwQud4Ek

Chris, I would completely destroy our argument in a debate and you know it. That is why you won’t debate me.

Sweetiepie, I have NEVER claimed South Africa is pure as the driven snow, but this hub is NOT about South Africa. It’s a pure red herring. I know about what is happening in my country but I am not in denial like you people. Tell me how the US provides food to other countries, as if no other country does that, when they trillions in debt? Americans now have to live in their cars and trailers because there are no jobs. I think that if the US butted out of the affairs of other countries, there’d be plenty of jobs instead of the money going to wars.

So, I am looking forward to the 9-11 debate. Perhaps with your brilliant arguments I can be convinced that Al Qaeda and the 19, I meant 14 hijackers, actually were responsible for 9-11.


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SweetiePie 4 years ago from Southern California, USA

The BBC, which I read extensively, does not promote the inside job theory. However, some odd ball leaders like Ahmadinejad support it. I am not having an "brilliant arguments," but I find your comments a bit on the xenophobic side when it comes to Americans. I am not a flag touting American by the way and quite liberal, but I really have low patience for people not practicing what they preach. I think the lady who said you should focus on the egregious errors of you country was right on the money, we should all focus on our own affairs more.

The real terrorists actually chuckle at the inside job people. You have the freedom of speech to believe whatever you want, but most people do not prescribe to this way off conspiracy theories. I see you read none of my comments, I do not like my country involved in other countries. There is one US presidential candidate completely opposed to this by the way, Ron Paul. As a liberal I do not agree with stances on cutting social safety nets, but he actually advocates non-intervention. More Americans than you know want this, and you really seem very limited on your knowledge of all actual Americans perceive foreign affairs.

By the way, you did not read my comments about food exports. Read the statistics and you will see China and the US are both major producers and exporters of food, along with other large countries like India:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_exp_com-econ...

I know the writer of this hub might not like Bill Maher, but you have to check out the way he very intelligently dealt with the truthers, those who follow the 9/11 inside job conspiracy theory like a religion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p80hXaM4QgU


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SweetiePie 4 years ago from Southern California, USA

Another thing about the economy, our economy was hurt by outsourcing and wars. I have never agreed with any of those policies. I would mostly like our country not involved in the affairs of other countries, period.

Claire lumps all Americans together, and speaks to us as if we do not know what is going on here. Even if the wars end in other countries, outsourcing of jobs in the US still remains a problem. I consider that the biggest problem actually, but I would like an end to the wars too. The military industrial complex does profit from our remaining at war with other countries. After 9/11 I think we would have been better off focusing on our own security, and not invading a country with the Taliban. Afghanistan is worse off than it was in 2001, so there you go. Most Americans are aware of the problems with our foreign policy.

However, I still have a right to love my country, even if I do not agree with all its policies. So why do I love my country? Here is why, I am part Kansa Indian and feel a connection to this land. I love the sunsets and the mountains of Southern California. There are many other beautiful parts of the world, but I actually feel a deep connection with my native state. People do not have to be blindly in love with everything America does, but I am not one. I also believe that condemning countries you do not live in solves nothing, and changes nothing.


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Becky Katz 4 years ago from Hereford, AZ

Claire, I thought it might shut you up if I said I agreed with something you said, but it didn't. I don't think ou have enough sense to shut up.


Longhunter 4 years ago

Claire wrote: "I should never had underestimated the power of brain-washing and denial. It's mind control and that takes years to undo."

You're right, Claire. It does take years to undo. The sooner you get started the better.

Just as a side note: Chris, you're a much better man than I. I would have shut Claire down a long time ago.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Tammy, now THAT is funny, I don't care WHO you are!!....get all the fruitcake you want...it is all right here in this hub!! .lol

I sincerely wish YOU a merry Christmas.

Chris


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Sweetiepie, I 100% disargee with you on our founding fathers, and I have some hubs to support my belief. I have no time today to get into a discsussion on it...but I thank you for coming by to leave a comment, it is always welcome.

Chris


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SweetiePie 4 years ago from Southern California, USA

CMerritt,

What I told you about Jefferson is 100% accurate. He was a deist, and he wrote his own version of the Bible. What is there to dispute about that? He was not a conservative Christian, and the Constitution guarantees the separation of church and state, what more is there to say on that. The purpose of that is so religion does not muck around in government, which is a disaster in the Islamic countries like Iran where that is the way it works.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Credence,

Hey buddy, I always appreciate YOU coming by to share with me....

I am sure that liberals such as yourself love this country with all your heart...and are patriotic. I know YOU are.

I think the difference is the direction that the left is taking us, is decreasing our freedoms.

The way I clearly see it, that it is the left who are creating new laws, rules and regulations by the thousand every year...government wants their hands involved in nearly all of our decision making and our lives...redistributing money..increasing the size of government…..all fundamental differences…but yet drastic when we look at our individual freedoms.

Hey, I am rambling...and right now, I just want to wish YOU a Merry Christmas, and enjoyed exchanging with you this year and looking forward to more next year,

Chris


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

sweetiepie, I never ONCE claimed that Jefferson was a conservative Christian...do NOT sterotype me or put words in my mouth. If you want to learn more about my views, go read more of my hubs...I am very clear on my stance regarding our forefathers.

Chris


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

@Sweetiepie,

I am not having an "brilliant arguments," but I find your comments a bit on the xenophobic side when it comes to Americans."

I suppose you didn't read this part in one of my earlier comments:

"Well, I butt into the USA's affairs because I am GENUINELY concerned. I hate it that the rulers of the USA treat their people so badly. To actually create a bill that just deems Americans terrorists without any evidence, or arrests them because of what they "might" do, is treason."

Does this sound xenophobic or does it sound like someone concerned about the American people? The government, the CIA, the Pentagon, etc, do NOT represent the people. They are separate entities.

“The real terrorists actually chuckle at the inside job people”

Al Qaeda must have found it HILARIOUS when 5 of the hijackers rocked up alive. It must have been sooo funny when the FBI claimed to have found one of the passports in the WTC debris.

“More Americans than you know want this, and you really seem very limited on your knowledge of all actual Americans perceive foreign affairs.”

Since when did I say all Americans think wars are great and agree with their government? I have many American friends on Facebook who agree with me about 9-11, and other views expressed here, which does comfort me a lot. I know there are some reasonable people reading this thread, but not contributing, who actually may see the truth about what I write.

How is exporting goods out of the country being charitable?? You do know they sell to make a PROFIT. That’s like me calling my local store charitable just because I got food from them which they SOLD to me. Since when does ANY country sell food to other countries because they care about starving people??

“Also, Al Qaeda was behind 9/11 and they admitted as much.”

What are you talking about? Since when? Proof, please.

Osama bin Laden flatly denied being involved in 9-11:

“Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the actions believed to have killed thousands.

In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.”

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/us/inv.binladen...

Also, did you know that Osama bin Laden was never wanted for 9-11 on the FBI’s most wanted list? When asked why not, the FBI said because there was no evidence he was involved.

The FBI’s most wanted list:

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden

On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13...

It is immaterial whether the BBC believes in the inside job theory or not. They are just stating as a fact that he FBI lied. There were not 19 hijackers at the very least. What else are they lying about?

Bill Mather, the beacon of all truth. The one who knows more than architects, scientists, member of Congress and the military. Lol. No.

I can’t believe you just said Mather dealt with this conspiracy theorists intelligently. Unless, “F**k” and “Jesus”, is considered an intelligent rebuttal. His argument proving that the towers weren’t brought down by bombs was stellar. I am now convinced he is right.

When I say you should not be proud of your country, I mean no one should be proud of their government. When one says America goes to war, that doesn’t mean all the American people are going to war.

And what about the debate? Surely you can prove me wrong?


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

@Becky,

"Claire, I thought it might shut you up if I said I agreed with something you said, but it didn't. I don't think ou have enough sense to shut up."

You are being dishonest. You know that deep down inside. It's also an insult to my intelligence for you to think I would drop the entire subject because YOU might think I'm right. You are back-tracking.


Longhunter 4 years ago

Claire wrote: "It's also an insult to my intelligence....."

Claire, you're working on the assumption you're intelligent. That's obviously an incorrect assumption based on your previous posts as overwhelming evidence to the contrary.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Okay Claire, enough. I will no longer 'accept'your conspiracty theory comments. I have let this go way too far.......the bottom line is this:

I AM PROUD OF MY COUNTRY...If you have forgot as to why, go back and read.

Chris


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feenix 4 years ago

Hello, CM,

Thank you very much for writing and publishing this useful, awesome, beautiful and very important hub.

As you are aware, I am "madly in love with the United States of America." As a matter of fact, my attitude is "America -- Love It or Leave It."

And so far as all of the Americans who are out there bashing this great country, they have the mentalities of rebellious adolescents. They are merely immature malcontents who are lashing out at grownups and authority figures.

They are trapped in time warps of where they were when they were about 16 years old.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Hello feenix, it goes without you saying of how much you love this country...one trip to your hubs and it is extremely obvious...

I have allowed way too much discouse on this one...my "goodness" that I was taught by my parents is wearing thin...

Your compliments are so very much apprecaiated, and it is a pleasure to follow you.

Merry Christmas


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WillStarr 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

I would like to invite Claire to write a '9-11 conspiracy' Hub. Just make you have the actual proof you claim you have, because I will want to see both your proof and your reliable source.

(Hint: opinions are not 'proof'!)

I will now go to your site and follow you so I won't miss it!


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

and there you have it Claire.

I too will follow, and look forward to seeing you debate with some of the best.


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

@Longhunter, "That's obviously an incorrect assumption based on your previous posts as overwhelming evidence to the contrary."

What evidence to the contrary, please tell?

CMerrit, I know it must be earth-shattering to realize the government was behind 9-11. I actually do understand that, but we all need to face the truth. Evil gets its power from people turning a blind eye.

Willstarr, we should have the debate right here so that all the readers can see it. Trust me, none of the other people here are going to flock to my hub.

The trouble I foresee with this, though, is that you, and others alike, are just going to ignore my proof, as displayed throughout this comments sections, and say, "You're nuts". It's not a mature thing to do but people do it when they have no rebuttal. All of you have the opportunity to convince me Al Qaeda was responsible. Take this opportunity and lets debate in an adult manner.


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WillStarr 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"Willstarr, we should have the debate right here so that all the readers can see it. Trust me, none of the other people here are going to flock to my hub"

They will if you publish it! I'll send them there myself. It's wrong to do it here. This is Chris' Hub.

(And if you'll notice, Chris said he too is following you, so let's see it! No excuses!)


Longhunter 4 years ago

Claire, I, too, will go follow you on your page and look forward to the evidence-filled hub you write on the subject. Although I won't be holding my breath.

Like Mr. Starr said, LETS SEE IT!


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WillStarr 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

There you have it, Claire! We'll all send folks over there if you publish it, so no more excuses.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

claire your words are this "I would completely destroy our argument in a debate and you know it"

Here is your chance, I have opened the doors for you...start your own hub, and see if you are able to destroy some arguements.


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Cogerson 4 years ago from Virginia

Excellent rant...and filled with something missing today ....common sense. Thanks for sharing your opinion, which I agree with everything you said...especially how the world is different than when Kennedy made his famous speech...that speech pretty much put the Peace Corps on the map....voted up and awesome....Hope you have an awesome time with your family.


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SweetiePie 4 years ago from Southern California, USA

CMerritt,

Hold on a second, you stereotyped me there. I have a degree in history, and I actually study this stuff for fun. You do not seem interested in appreciating a liberal woman's views, and on this hub people are talking about how liberals hate America. Just to share both of my grandpas fought in World War II, and were two of the most liberal men you could ever meet. You seem to call pot shots, I am disappointed.

Claire Evans,

Well I happen to be one of the reasonable Americans contributing to this thread, and I happen to think most of what you say about America is really off base. You seem very obsessed with denigrating Americans at every turn, and why are you so sure about the inside job theory. Most serious scholars find it laughable. Ahmadinejad supports it, and he also believes the Holocaust did not happen.

Another thing I noticed from reading your hubs is that you actually believe no one in Libya was legitimately protesting Gaddafi, and I find that very ridiculous of a statement. You think the American government is behind orchestrating every single revolt, and that is not the case. We should not have went into Libya, and I was not at all comfortable with the way Gaddafi was disposed of. Just because our country propped up dictators during the Cold War does not mean every single one is propped up today. Gaddafi was comical and ridiculous, and I know there were Libyas who were fed up with his behavior. If you think Arabs were a okay with dictators, think again.

Bin Laden was definitely behind 9/11, even if he did not hijack the planes himself. I highly recommend reading Carmen Bin Laden's memoir, she married one of his brothers, and talks about her experience with the Bin Laden family. There are real Islamic terrorists who target Westerners, and I believe in the US gets out of their affairs, the better. I have grown so weary of non-Americans who feel they know everything about America. So you might think I am not reasonable for knowing conspiracy theories are a bunch of hocus pocus, for sure. So I am through, and know I am the most rational person commenting here. Good bye to all.


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

@Willstar and CMerrit

"They will if you publish it! I'll send them there myself. It's wrong to do it here. This is Chris' Hub."

You are procrastinating. You know jolly well that you won't respond to the hub and that I won't reach the intended target audience. I assume that the majority of the followers of Chris think the same way he does. You just don't want the truth being exposed on Chris' page. Give me one good reason why the debate shouldn't happen here. The point of a hub is to get comments from people who have opposing views. It opens with the comment that people dislike America and bash it. Now I am telling you why so discussing 9-11 on this hub is very pertinent.

We do it here. Else I am interpreting as something you just can't debate. If you actually went through my list of hubs, you will see there are two that read, "What the Haiti quake, oil spill and 9-11 have in common." So I have written about it. So you can begin my refuting the points that have been raised there. I'll post part 3 on my profile information from wordpress because Hubpages didn't approve of it. My hub about Libya has nothing to do with this hub but it has been raised and I'll address Sweetie.


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

@Sweetiepie

"Most serious scholars find it laughable."

Which ones? And what is there argument against it?

"Another thing I noticed from reading your hubs is that you actually believe no one in Libya was legitimately protesting Gaddafi"

What I was referring to is that there were no legitimate protesters who organized and planned this revolution. I'm sure there were grievances. No one, but CMerrit, thinks their government is perfect. Wonder why there were no protests before?

Quote from my hub:

"Actually, it all originated with the leader of the opposition group in Libya, the National Front of the Salvation of Libya, Ibrahim Shadad, when he attended a meeting in London with about 300 other members back in 2005 at the National Conference for Libyan Opposition. They discussed how they could oust Gadhafi to set up a democratic nation. The campaign was to be called, “The Day of Rage” set up for the 17th February 2011."

Ordinary Libyans would not collude with the West to oust Gadhafi, who ironically at the time, was an ally of the West.

Another excerpt:

“Many of the rebels belonged to the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG). The key military positions of the rebels are held by the former commanders of the Libyan Islamic fighting. As recently as June 2001, the group was listed as a bona fide terrorist organization by the United Nations Security Council website, which has since disappeared. The group is also listed as a terrorist organization by the United States Justice Department and the British Home Office. The US Code prohibits the supplying of material to support terrorist organization so obviously a crime has been committed. The LIFG chief, Abdel Hakim Belhadj, deems himself the “Commander of the Tripoli Council.” He received military training in a CIA sponsored military camp in Afghanistan. The Daily Telegraph reported that Belhadj, who also goes by the name al-Hasidi, commands the key city of the rebels, Derna. He is an al Qaeda terrorist controller who admitted to the Daily Telegraph that he sent 25 fighters to fight the US and NATO forces in Afghanistan.”

So it looks as if the US was one of the countries behind the revolution.

“You think the American government is behind orchestrating every single revolt, and that is not the case”

In the case of Syrian and Libya, they are! I’ll give you an interview with General Wesley Clark.

General Wesley Clark of the US said that he was told weeks after 9-11 that the US wanted to conquer these countries: Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Syria, Sudan, Lebanon and Iran by the year 2006.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53jbRxHSfj4

“Bin Laden was definitely behind 9/11, even if he did not hijack the planes himself.”

You have not been following my comments properly have you? Osama bin Laden was never wanted for 9-11. Look at the FBI’s most wanted list. Why was that so? Because of no evidence, according to the FBI. You’d think they pounce on any proof but they could not.

Now please actually read and watch my sources because I hate repeating myself. I had the courtesy of watching your video on Bill Mather so please return that courtesy.


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

Let’s start the debate!

Fact: only three buildings made of steel have collapsed due to fire, as the official version says, and those where the twin towers and World Trade Centre 7. ALL three were leased by the same man, Larry Silverstein. As everyone knows, the building fell at free fall speed, exactly the way it happens when a building is demolished.

I’m sure you are quite familiar with science and physics. Basic stuff like that. Would you agree that if a building falls at free fall speed, there is absolutely no resistance at all? Not only does a normal office fire, even one started by an accelerant if you use the plane fuel argument, not melt steel but it certainly does not weaken the floors that had no fire. Would there not have been resistance? What about the steel column? What about the fact that the towers were constructed to withstand a plane colliding into the twin towers? Can you give me an example of buildings prior to 9-11 that have fell because of fire?

Frank A. Demartini, onsite manager during the construction of the WTC, seconded this view during a January 25, 2001 interview, in which he noted that the study involved "a fully loaded 707." Demartini even declared that "the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door, this intense grid, and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting."[30] Demartini kept an office in the North Tower and was last seen on 9/11 assisting evacuees on the 78th floor.[31]

That is all for now. Good luck!


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WillStarr 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Stealing someone's Hub is very bad manners. Start your own Hub on this topic and I'll show you how wrong you are about all this.

But not here.


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feenix 4 years ago

Hello, Claire Evans,

I am going to make this as short and sweet as I can.

I worked on the 82nd floor of Tower 2 of the World Trade Center for more than 10 years as the Benefits Adminstrator for one of the largest construction companies in the world.

Now, the company I worked for occupied 12 floors in the building, rent free. And the reason why it did not have to pay rent was it had been secretly contracted by the New York-New Jersey Port Authority to reinforce the buttressing of towers 1 and 2. And in 1995, it was estimated that the job would take at least 20 years.

The reinforcment work was a top-secret operation and the general public was not aware of it at all. And the reason why such work was required was the two structures had been constructed very hastily and very poorly. And the reason why that was the case was back in the 1960's when they were built, the developers were in a hurry to throw up the tallest structures in the world.

That brings me to my final point. Essentially, the two towers were like houses made out of playing cards and they were not really "steel buildings." In fact, one of the big jokes among the engineers and construction people who worked for my company was that the structures were nothing but "real tall buildings, made mostly out of glass and aluminum."

Thus, when the airliners -- each of which had a full tank of highly-combustible jet fuel -- crashed into the buildings, the largley non-steel framework quickly melted from the intense heat caused by the spilled jet fuel, causing the towers to collapse like the houses of cards they were.

That is what happened and I know what I am talking about, because I was one of the top executives of the company that knew all of the dirty secrets about the WTC's shoddy construction.


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

@Willstar:

"Stealing someone's Hub is very bad manners. Start your own Hub on this topic and I'll show you how wrong you are about all this.

But not here."

Excuse me? I have written my own hub! What on earth are you talking about???

I'll post Part 1 here: Lol

http://hubpages.com/politics/What-the-Haiti-quake-...

Did you think my comment opening the debate was a copy from someone's hub?? That's my own research. I've been debating 9-11 with many people over three years. I don't need to nick someone else's work. The (30) and (31) part are quotes. Sentences that are in inverted commas are quotes. Quotes can be used in a debate. If you like to know where I got that second point of my argument, you will see that it doesn't come from someone else's hub.

http://www.rense.com/general74/nist.htm

While you are over at my hub, you can address my argument I have just laid out to you. I'll hand it to you. I've never known someone to procrastinate in a debate before in my life!


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

@Feenix,

Hello.

"Essentially, the two towers were like houses made out of playing cards and they were not really "steel buildings".

Do you think I’m that gullible? There is no one, but you, that has ever claimed the buildings weren't made of steel.

This FEMA report clearly talks about two samples of steel beams:

http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf

Excerpt from this page:

“Floors within the substructure were of reinforced concrete flat-slab construction, supported by structural steel columns. Many of these steel columns also provided support for the structures located above the plaza level. fema.gov_p11”

http://thermalimages.nfshost.com/index.php/World_T...

Obviously those who believe 9-11 is an inside job and those who do not completely disagree on some things, but everyone is unanimous when it comes to the WTC being made of steel.

If they weren’t steel buildings, then why was there molten iron in the debris?

Chief Executive of the London stated:

"molten metal which was still red-hot weeks after the event," as well as "four-inch thick steel plates sheered and bent in the disaster."

http://www.historycommons.org/events-images/614_mo...

In this picture, molten steel is clearly seen. How can that be in the towers weren’t made of steel?

The NIST, (National Construction Safety Team), which investigated the collapse of the towers, wrote in their FAQ section:

“Based on its comprehensive investigation, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed because: (1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large number of jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius, or 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit)”

http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/faqs_wt...

Notice the “steel” part.

As mentioned, fire needs to be much hotter and thermite does the trick.

Steel melts at about 2750F. Uncontrolled fire with red flames is at 1200F. When thermite is ignited, extreme heat reaction causes molten iron. It can reach 4500 F. That can melt steel. Another product of a thermite reaction is Aluminum Oxide, visible as white smoke. White smoke was seen at the base of the towers.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/224/abcnewswt...

Various temperatures that steels melts:

CAST STEEL MELTS 2600 TO 2750 F.

MILD STEEL MELTS AT 2690 F.

WROUGHT IRON MELTS 2700 TO 2750 F.

PURE IRON MELTS AT 2768 F.

CHROMIUM MELTS AT 2750 -3034 F.

STAINLESS STEEL MELTS AT 2550 F

http://www.blksmth.com/heat_colors.htm

So, sorry, I just cannot take your word for it in the light of the overwhelming evidence proving you wrong.


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WillStarr 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"I have written my own hub!"

So you have...sort of. I'm taking it over there.


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50 Caliber 4 years ago from Arizona

Chris, I respect you and I hope you know that. The same respect I extend to many participants here, like WillStarr and others that I have been reading some over much of my three years here, I don't think I need to list all one by one as most know who they are and our history of trading respectful words. I have seen Ms Evans about and until now I really wasn't struck by a stand out reason to consider her or her work. Not because it isn't good, accurate or any other class, it's that I don't know her and I like Will, will pick the brunt of all I've just read up where it is the topic. That said, I did write a hub that I need to update about Obama signing a dead or alive warrant to get Anwar Awlaki. At that time not a lot of information was revealed and I had a problem with an assassination warrant being signed against a US born citizen by a president who had spent 100s of thousands of dollars blocking any court from reaching what I consider part of the legal requirements of any person running for office to provide the required information that is part of a "Republic"[a system based on laws] and the president refused to comply with those laws.

Back to Anwar Awlaki, he is/was, the first American citizen that was denied due process of law before being sentenced to death. That part I was sure of, and the fact they did not provide anything past "he's a terrorist" hurt my thoughts in regard to his not being specifically charged with any information. I heard he had family in the Yemen area and that was all. So to date I have left the hub stand as at the time it was written the charge is still my opinion of "unwarranted". He is by all accounts now dead. I understand that he was killed by a CIA remote controlled drone that was flown from a controller in Huston Texas that fired a missile into a convoy of vehicles and the correct vehicle hit ending in the death of him and another US Citizen. I'm still unconvinced that the convoy could have been stopped and taken by boots on the ground capturing him and the other citizen and then taken to the water-board and commencements begun. My thoughts swing that way because in the time prior, it was finally released that he was in on 9/11, the underwear bomber,and just about every attack or attempted attack of notoriety. It seems to me that if he was as described a planner, an assembly man who put in place the people who didn't know each other, together to get a deed in motion or via computer telling the "Fort Hood terrorist shooter" "do it now!" That he would have been a wealth of information, better alive than dead. If he didn't talk, well a blow torch and pliers, bubbling his skin and peeling him like a catfish is not off the table as far as I'm concerned, but I have seen more of the insides of friends than I care to remember or discuss. I, like you am Proud to have been blessed by God to be born American, a Christian American family, all of my family were Marines and served with out question. I pray that this country does not morph into a nation like Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Pakistan and so many more that disregard the citizens and their rights that were given to each one of us with the Constitution, Bill of rights, Federalist Papers etc.

I have a firm line drawn in the sand I will not cross, beginning with my responsibilities to Jesus Christ and his greatest command to love each and every person as I do myself. I have to say given my past the "though shalt not kill" command is tough on my old brain. When I stand in judgement I have no idea what I'm going to say when asked "why" I did what I did in the days called "the old man"vs the "new man", I guess pre-baptized versus post baptized. I can only hope that asking forgiveness and being granted forgiveness holds that my forgiven sins will be finished business and I wont have to answer for the times that ended up in the bottom of a bottle before my turning to Christ for admission to them and asking forgiveness and the ability to sleep again and being granted that most nights I can sleep these days, after learning that he does forgive and learning to forgive myself as well. Probably to much said but it is what it is, no?

Peace and blessings,

Much love,

Dust


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WillStarr 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Hi Dusty,

In the original Hebrew, the word is "Ratsach", which means "murder" in that Commandment:

"Thou shall not murder"


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50 Caliber 4 years ago from Arizona

Hi Will,

I thank you for that thought! it runs much deeper than what we thought about what we did as teens partially back in the day before the 20 or more years passed where we could about it and read things declassified and now plunging into many documentaries released about the times spent in the different areas,http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscree...

dusty


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

sweetiepie, I have no disprespect for you or your opinions....if you feel that way, No disrespect was intended, other than I 100% disagree with you regarding oour forefathers.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Dusty, you know you ALWAYS have my respect, and your thoughts are always valued by me...and I do not believe I have ever fully disagreed with anything you have posted.

Peace and blessings to YOU,

Chris


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Will, I think your definition is exactly what is intended...murder and killing are two completly different words and intentions.


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

So Longhunter and CMerrit...when you are coming over to my hub to refute my argument? At least Willstarr participated in the debate...I'd like you to keep your end of the bargain.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

tis the holiday season, I WILL be by, but have some family time to attend to still.


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

Okay, you can come in the New Year. Enjoy your time with your family.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

and YOU do the same.

Chris


Longhunter 4 years ago

Claire, I've visited your hub (Part 1) and left a comment. You won't like it but I've read it and commented.


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Eiddwen 4 years ago from Wales

Wow I thought I was never going to get to the final comment.

It's easy to see why though ,thanks for sharing and I vote up.

Take care

Eddy.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Thank YOU Eiddwen!

I appreciate it.


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tillsontitan 4 years ago from New York

Coming late to this hub and reading all the comments I can only speak for myself. As an American I never claimed to be perfect, as an American I never claimed to know all I should about the law and what our government is doing at every moment of every day but as an American I am proud to live in a country that tries to do right. As an American I am proud to be free and love God and country. I out right cry when I hear the National Anthem. My father-in-law is a member of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, my husband is a Member of the American Legion and my son is a member of the National Guard and is employed by Homeland Security. I am proud of them and I am proud to be an American.

Keep writing CMerritt. This was a moving hub and a reminder of what we have and what we need to be thankful for!

Voted up and interesting! Not only was your hub handled well but your comments were too.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

tillsontitan,

I thank you for your support and your votes.

I am confident that there are still MORE people like you and I, that understand our country, than those who chose to find the bad in it and run with it.

I appreciate you coming by,

Chris


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WillStarr 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"I am confident that there are still MORE people like you and I, that understand our country, than those who chose to find the bad in it and run with it."

I agree. The anti-American, 'Barack Obama types' are still in the minority, and most Americans think like we do.


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feenix 4 years ago

Claire Evans,

No, I do not think you are gullible at all.

What you are is impressionable, or easily led to believe in whatever some one or the other theorizes.

And, of course, just like all other skyscrapers, the WTC twin towers were largely of "steel construction."

It is just that they were not nearly as "steel-granite-concrete constructed" as such NYC skyscrapers as the Empire State Building and Chrysler Building.

And since you are looking into conspiracies, why don't you devote some time to checking out what is behind the ongoing AIDS epidemic and the "crack epidemic" of the 1980's and 1990's.

Also, you should check out the conspiracy theories about the reasons why abortion was legalized in the U.S.

And so far as that goes, you should look into the conspiracy theories about the "real reasons" why the founding fathers of the U.S. carried out the War of Independence against England.

In summation, if you pick out any major or catastrophic event in history, you will also find a set of conspiracy theories connected to that event.


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

The towers were designed to sustain multiple jet liner crashes into it. WTC 7 wasn't hit by any plane but fell from the bottom like a demolition.

If you want to argue with me regarding 9-11, and you seem to have a lot of knowledge about it because only someone who knows the facts and can prove it has even business dismissing the conspiracy theories and facts, go to my blog:

http://claireevans.hubpages.com/hub/What-the-Haiti


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feenix 4 years ago

Claire Evans,

Yes, and what about the Oklahoma City Federal Building?

How do you suppose that a rental truck filled with 55-gallon drums of homemade, manure-based explosives took down the entire front of that structure so cleanly and evenly?

The word on the streets is that was a conspiracy carried out by members of the IRA so they could repay Bill Clinton for being the first U.S. president to recognize them.


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

I am not familiar with the conspiracy with the Oklahoma City Federal Building. I'm talking about 9-11 now.


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WillStarr 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"The towers were designed to sustain multiple jet liner crashes into it."

No, they were designed to withstand one hit by a Boeing 707, the largest airliner of that day, and that was predicated on a fog condition in which the aircraft would be flying slowly. The 767's were at full throttle, and slammed into the towers at nearly the speed of sound, far exceeding the predicted impact forces.


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feenix 4 years ago

Thank you, Will.


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feenix 4 years ago

Fine, Claire. You want me to "argue" with you about 9-11, and I want to talk about conspiracy theories in general.

So, where do we go from here?

And for your information, when the Oklahoma City Federal Building was bombed, that resulted in a badly-wounded Bill Clinton getting a very big boost in the polls.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Claire,

You have caused me to do some quick research and it only fulfilled what I already knew....

you said the towers were designed to sustain multiple jet liner crashes into it...the Titanic was designed to sustain ice bergs too.

When 10,000 gallons of jet fuel is smashed at a high rate of speed...it creates an enormous explosion...the steel frames in the tower did have to need to melt, but they did lose some of their structural strength. Steel will begin to lose over half its strength when temperatures reach 1,200 degrees...the floors pancaked causing a collapse.....Most engineers at this day say, that there is NO design that can withstand such an attack....

the bottom line is still just as we said...NO CONSPIRACY...it is what it is.


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feenix 4 years ago

Hey, CM,

Everything you wrote is very, very true. And the reason why I know is "I wuz there."


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

Feenix, I actually don’t believe you know what you are talking about. You claimed that the towers were mostly made of glass and aluminium and not steel. I proved you wrong.

I’m not sure if you are aware that the steel did melt. Iron molten was discovered pouring out of the towers and in the debris. The debris of the towers was very hot for three months after the attacks. That is not due to an office fire.

As very evident, the fires were actually virtually out by the time the towers went down due to the huge black and grey plumes of smoke. That is indicative of a weak fire.

Of course it was evident that the towers fell at free speed as seen in demolitions. The law of the conservation of momentum would mean that there would have been resistance at each floor during the collapse but there was none. How did the cores collapse?

“Most engineers at this day say, that there is NO design that can withstand such an attack...”

Lol.


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feenix 4 years ago

Hello, Claire,

Actually, you are quite right. I did not know what I was talking about.

The truth is, I was spouting off about something that I should have kept my mouth closed about.

Quite often, I really do get carried away and my mouth goes into gear before my brain is ignited.


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feenix 4 years ago

Hello, CM,

I really do apologize for junking up your comments section with my "compulsive behavior."

Presently, I am going through one of my "spells" and, as a matter of fact, I am going to write a hub about that, in about two days.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

feenix, no need to apologize for anything....you are ALWAYS, welcome to say what you will on any of my hubs...

I will look forward to your next hub....please take care.

Chris


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Claire Evans 4 years ago from South Africa

As CMerrit, there is no need to apologize.


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htodd 4 years ago from United States

We should be proud of that ..No problem


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Thank you htodd...


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Phyllis Doyle 4 years ago from High desert of Nevada.

I, too, "still get a small lump in my throat when I am asked to place my hand over my heart and face the flag at ballgames" -- thank you for saying that and for all the other words for our beloved country. Great hub!


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Phyllis,

I think there are still many of us who do take that song and that flag serious...thank you for visiting.

Chris


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lifelovemystery 4 years ago from Houston, TX

CMerritt, thank you for this hub. As the mother, sister, aunt and sister-in-law to men who have served in the United States Marine Corps I stand with you as a proud American. Proud of our heritage, proud of our military, proud of our flag. I look forward to reading more! God Bless.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Wow, you must be very proud to have that many from your family to have served or are serving.....thank YOU and your family....I really do apprecaite your comments.

Chris


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concernedvet 4 years ago

I understand what is being said, and I have something to say that some may not agree with or believe. I am upset because it seems our wonderful country pays more attention to illegal immigrants than its own. Where I live there is a Haitian lady who came to this country illegally many years ago. She left Florida (paid for by US tax dollars) after doing one year in a camp. She now resides in WA state. Not too long after (after being given housing, utility and food assistance) she had gone to Openworks (cleaning franchise) with cash in hand that our government gave her (she had no job, still awaiting her green card - yes in this state illegals can get their green cards)to start a cleaning franchise (I went there and the only program they have for vets is half down now, half down in 6 weeks and oh yeah it may take up to 6 months to get work). So when she started she still received free assistance until she started getting business. Now, some 15 years later (and still a green card holder) she makes $8000 per month, lives in a 7 bedroom house, and get this because she still has a green card she still gets food stamps and at any given time she has illegals living with her. I know this because she used to be a friend of my wife, and we stopped visiting because my wife got tired of her jabbing insults to me stating "Hah! Your own government will do more for me than you and you were stupid enough to risk your life for them!" Now, I was angry, but not so much at her as my own government. While our country is still the best I have noticed that our leadership will quickly turn a blind eye to situations that I described above. I wrote my representative for well over two years and the only response I finally received was a standard form letter stating,in so many words; leave it alone. I am an honorably discharged vet, jumped into Panama while under fire and was with 7th group for Desert Shield/Storm. I have my undergraduate in Biology and I have been unemployed for well over a year and about to lose my home and family and yet I see illgals/green card holders excelling while I am being left in the dust. I do feel jilted, and I do feel that Haitian person may be correct in that I have wasted my time serving and risking my life for this country. Haitians, by the way; do not like caucasians, I have been told to my face many times and found the best way to get them to close their mouths is to remind them that it was the Clinton's and their administration that allowed them entry. That makes them shut up fast. Why are people who dislike us so encouraged to come here by any means (illegally and still can get a green card which is beyond me) and thrive and get benefits that I as an American could never get. I do not know if this happens elsewhere, but would like to know. I am strong, but my faith in my country has diminished.

Thank you for reading


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

concernedvet,

I appreciate your very personal response. I understand your frustration. It is very distrubing how much others who live here are willing to take advantage of this Nation...and the people who pay taxes for it to be wasted away....furthermore, even more of a slap in the face of those, like yourself, who have served in the military, to assure we keep these freedoms and liberties.

Be prideful in the fact, that the pendulam swings back and forth, and I believe that it is swinging back to the right....after so many years of the left and its liberal ways...people are starting to wake up.....just as we witnessed in Wisconsin.

Hang in there, and continue to stay strong...this IS the greatest Nation on earth.

Chris

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