Quantum analysis of God

The Energy Formula

"Whenever I am confronted with atheistic concepts, I normally seek mathematical evidence that God is real. My concepts are a theoretical analysis. God cannot be defined and is infinite"

It is alleged Einstein came up with the formula, E=MC2.Well he did not come up with the formula. It has always been with Adam and Eve, the Egyptians, the Sumerians and the Nubians. The formula has been tested and has been found to be true. The Egyptians used it to build the pyramids. The Sumerians used it for astrological interpretations and analysis. The Nubians used it for genetic splicing and farming. Our civilization used it to build a nuclear bomb.

However, E=MC2 can be used to prove the existence of a higher power, we call God. This can be analysed using many dynamic systems as well as different reference frames. I am going to try to keep it as simple as possible. E=MC2 will be broken down in terms of the human being.

(E) is energy, pure energy. (M) is mass or the component that is tangible. C2 is the speed of light, or the component that is intangible. For example, the sun would equal to (E). This is why the Egyptians worshiped the sun. All subset forms of energy store on the earth is from the sun. The human body would be represented by (M). Our spiritual being would be represented by (C2).

The only way the human body can be converted into pure energy, is through the spiritual being. Therefore, it is the spiritual self that converts the human being back to God. Okay, now for a more practical example. If you walk back and forth beside a small radio, You will notice that you are affecting the radio frequency. This happens because the human body gives off a radioactive frequency or a electromagnetic frequency. This same human frequency that interferes with the radio frequency waves is what we refer to as (C2).

In the case of the nuclear bomb, Einstein figured that if the radioactive frequency could be set free from the mass, then they would be able to attain the energy, resulting in an explosion. Based on this same principle, the human body has more energy than a nuclear bomb. In a radioactive power plant this same radioactive energy is harnessed and turned into electricity.

The human being can also harness this energy internally to accomplish great things and even modify atoms and molecules within and outside of the body. Self Healing is just a very simple implication of this phenomenon.

Now, lets look at the x-ray machine. It sends out radioactive frequencies, these frequencies bounce back exposing an image. The human being also sends out electromagnetic frequencies. These frequencies interact with other particles and is reflected. Most Human Beings, however are not aware of this phenomenon. These frequencies cannot be interpreted and manipulated without bringing in God into the equation.

The Human being is equal to (E). The human being is made up of two components. (M) which is the human body and (C2) which is electromagnetic frequency. If anyone could harness this electromagnetic frequency within the body, then they would definitely see the true existence of God.

Therefore, the human body contains great potential energy. This is Gods energy. This energy can be used to accomplish anything.

Bless


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Sky9106 5 years ago from A beautiful place on earth.

Probably your most definitive piece to date , I felt very atom of energy you utilized while writing , great piece rast1

The body has to be our most powerful everything , best way I can put it.

Blessings.


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rasta1 5 years ago from Jamaica Author

respect sky, I try my best to be as objective as possible when proving the love of God.


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Sky9106 5 years ago from A beautiful place on earth.

I persuade my friend to come read your piece tonight he said he would.hIS NAME IS godstruthisneeded Bless.


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Philanthropy2012 5 years ago from London

Why does this prove the existence of God and not Gods?


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Jean Bakula 5 years ago from New Jersey

I was afraid I would not understand this because I'm not that good at science, but I know astrology and know that the Sumerians did too. I knew Egyptians had to know Einstein's formula if they could build huge structures like the pyramids (and we don't know what else is there to find in them, or under the Sphinx's paw)! I am reading a book by Caroline Myss, a medical intutive who tells us how we can heal our own bodies by using our own energy waves, by meditating and sending them to the places that need to be healed, Anatomy of the Spirit. So this hub did make sense, thanks!


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Philanthropy2012 5 years ago from London

Jean Bakula

As a human being I must urge you to not depend on such concepts as "self healing" and give up on medical science altogether. The placebo effect and positive thinking helps has been proven to help (scientifically), but when you are dealing with tangible viruses & bacteria please allow antibiotics and hygiene to work it's magic too!

One of the reasons I am not religious is that religion encourages concepts that simply do not work, spirituality and prayer does not save lives and I would hate to think that there are people out there who rely on these ideas and lose loved ones as a result.

Thanks,

Philanthropy,


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clara kish@yahoo. 5 years ago from Mt. Perry. Ohio

Rasta, you did a good job of explaining so that I could pretty well understand it and that is saying a lot.My brain never seems to work that way Thanks,it was a good Hub clara


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Jean Bakula 5 years ago from New Jersey

Philanthropy 2012,

I was born with scoliosis, and all medical science has done for me is operate and leave scars, put me in braces and casts that left scars that can't be seen, and medications that have made me ill. I am not so unintelligent that I would not take an antibiotic for an infection, and really, what makes you think I have problems with hygiene? I merely believe our spirit and attitude has much to do with the state of our health, as does the amount of stress we bear from our circumstancs, whether they be of health nature, or work, or relationships. As far as religion, I am an agnostic. I think you have me confused with someone else, and we shouldn't be having a discussion like this on Rasta 1's hub anyway. You don't know me or anything about me to make the presumptuous statements you have made here. Apologies, Rasta 1.


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rasta1 5 years ago from Jamaica Author

Respect Philanthropy 2012, Respect Jean Bakula, Respect clara kish.

I would like to apologize to Jean Bakula on behalf of Philanthropy 2012 and myself.

Jean Bakula: E=MC2 has everything to do with astrology. The human body is atoms vibrating at specific frequencies. The human is broken down in to atoms. The structure of atoms has a positive proton in the middle with electrons circulating around much like how the moon revolves around the earth. You see what I am getting at.

Philanthropy 2012: many Gods has to answer to one God. Remember human beings are also Gods but die like mere men. How did you think Nostradamus dealt with and handled the black plague every day without getting infected? while persons at a distance contracted the bacterium. Every virus emits electromagnetic frequency, everything does, however, Human beings give off a much stronger electromagnetic frequency.

Every one knows that a radioactive frequency can be harmful, so why do you not think the energy waves emitted by the human being could not kill another organism.

The word {Human Being}. The Being stands for a continuous state(represents an infinite quantum in mathematics). Very different from (will be, had been, could be or should have been). It is a common consensus for all scientist that Human Being is an infinite state and there is a lot more to learn.


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WD Curry 111 5 years ago from Space Coast

It says in the Bible that there is nothing new under the sun. We discover fresh for ourselves things that were forgotten long ago. Our opinion does not change truth. Opinion does have a power of its own. It only affects he affairs of man. It may cause collateral damage, but it is well contained within the vast order of truth.

We seek to discover truth (an expenditure of energy), when we would do well to still our mind and walk within it (an absorption of energy - like the sun and the earth).

As far as math . . . right on! I looked everywhere for the formula, but couldn't find it. I have to go to other things. I attended the US Naval Academy in Annapolis when computers had no screen. We took "calculus with computers" and "quantum theory and its application" (we have a nuclear navy - application). There is a formula in the bunch for the acceleration of mass to the speed of light. It cannot be worked out, except in theory. The implication is that (with enough energy applied) a solid material (mass), when accelerated to the speed of light, actually becomes light - it is no longer solid. The light we see, at rest, could well be a boulder of granite. In the formula, it takes an infinite amount of energy to accelerate mass to the speed of light. I see light everywhere. It was accelerated by an infinite amount of energy . . . get my drift? That power is LOVE! Go ahead and argue. Prove yourself a fool.

As far as healing, “Take up your pallet and walk.” Remember the faith of the Samaritan woman with an issue of blood? Opinion had no power over her. Our life here is but a breath for eternity. We will slip out of these dirty rags. It is no time to wonder what our new clothes will look like. It is time to make the journey home where they are waiting.


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Sky9106 5 years ago from A beautiful place on earth.

will release Love ,Part(2) in the very near future.

Give Thanks and Praises! Amen.


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WD Curry 111 5 years ago from Space Coast

Can't wait! You could have said all of that (with more weight) in a verse.


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WD Curry 111 5 years ago from Space Coast

One more thing . . . healing,"Every good and perfect gift comes from God." That includes medical knowledge and the ones, like doctors who practice it's application.

Peace.


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Jean Bakula 5 years ago from New Jersey

Respect Rasta 1. I understand we all have divinity within us, and agree much with what WD Curry 111 says. There really is nothing new under the sun, it's all ancient knowledge being rediscoverd and re-explained. A few years ago I engaged in a Bible study with a friend, and although I think much of it is myth, still am happy I did it. Most major religions have much in common. I think we have power within ourselves to heal, because of the divinity. Love is the most powerful, and I would and have been a fool trying to prove it :) Peace


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Sky9106 5 years ago from A beautiful place on earth.

Never a fool most respectful Mrs . J. Bakula not even in a in a writers joke , you can be a fool after the knowledge and love which emanates from your great comments and kind human showing.

One Love my dear Lady.

Forever blessings to you and yours...


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Cardisa 5 years ago from Jamaica

Rasta, I am really liking your latest hubs. This one is close to my heart as I do believe the potential the human body has for great spiritual energy. I also agree with Jean (or at least the author of the book)about the body's ability to self heal. I personally have experienced the body's ability to self heal and exert a certain level of energy.


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WD Curry 111 5 years ago from Space Coast

What happens when you cut your finger? In a few days it heals. Can you take a hint?


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Paladin_ 5 years ago from Michigan, USA

Rasta, when I comment on hubs, I usually try to reply in as detached a manner as possible, lest anything I say be misconstrued as a personal attack.

However, I have to say with all sincerity (and regret!) that this hub is one of the biggest pieces of pseudo-scientific rubbish I've ever read. I can't count the number of times I've seen people try to contort scientific principles (of which they have little or no apparent understanding) to fit their own particular brand of woo-woo, but this one takes the cake.

It begins with your title, "Quantum Analysis of God", which suggests you'll use quantum principles to analyze the question of God's existence. Yet the entirety of your thesis rests upon Einstein's equation defining the equivalency of mass and energy. This is a part of RELATIVITY, NOT QUANTUM, theory!

Then you proceed to arbitrarily apply the elements of the equation, E, M and C2 to fit your own philosophical view of the universe, tossing in a few references to electromagnetic theory along the way.

Einstein's equation was meant to quantify the relationship between matter and energy on a relativistic scale, accounting for the effects of gravitation and inertia on mass. Quantum theory, on the other hand, is meant to describe reality on the very smallest scale. If Einstein knew how people were perverting his theories, he'd be spinning in his grave!

Shame on you!


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WD Curry 111 5 years ago from Space Coast

Excuse me, you must be lost, the religious forum is over there.


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Jean Bakula 5 years ago from New Jersey

I may be mistaken, but I think Rasta 1 is saying that God is the energy.


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WD Curry 111 5 years ago from Space Coast

Right, but that other guy is refuting the fact. "Argue and prove yourself a fool." He really isn't as well educated as he is pretending to be. He doesn't understand how closely intertwined relativity and quantum theory are. Relativity is an aspect of Quantum. I made the comment about the religious forum, because there is always some pseudo-scholar jumping in as if God can't exist outside of the confines of our puny grasp of science. We haven't even scratched the surface of what there is to know. We don't need to know as much as we need to trust.


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WD Curry 111 5 years ago from Space Coast

Here is the formula that we need to know: God is LOVE


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Paladin_ 5 years ago from Michigan, USA

Um, no, WD. Relativity isn't an "aspect of quantum." Quantum theory and relativity theory do sometimes overlap, for example, when explaining the inner workings of stars. But the two theories are essentially meant to explain things at OPPOSITE ends of the spectrum of size: relativity at the largest, and quantum at the smallest.

You can't just toss scientific phrases around and expect people to think you know what you're talking about. Or maybe you can. After all, they do say that ignorance is bliss.


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Cardisa 5 years ago from Jamaica

We all Know that God IS the energy and that God IS Love, so why the snide remarks?


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WD Curry 111 5 years ago from Space Coast

Paladin . . . Hello?!


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Philanthropy2012 5 years ago from London

God is certainly not love!


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rasta1 5 years ago from Jamaica Author

Respect Paladin,

I intentionally did not use the phrases quantum theory or relativity theory. I used the phrase quantum analysis. Reason being, I am more of a mathematician than a physicist. God is like counting. There is no end in counting. There is no last number.

Quantum is a unit of energy or just a unit of measurement. E=MC^2 is not Einsteins formula. Pythagoras learnt this formula when he studied geometry in Alexandria in Africa. This formula was with Adam and Eve.

To Everyone: If you have love in your heart, you will attract the God of love. If you have hatred in your heart, you will attract the God of hate.


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WD Curry 111 5 years ago from Space Coast

Nice save rasta1. You have wisdom.


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Seek-n-Find 5 years ago from Illinois

There are theories, there are opinions, there are facts, there is reality, and there is perception. Some opinions include facts but are based upon a skewed perception. Some facts are misused to support one's opinion of their preferred reality. Reality, in its fullness, is neither perception nor opinion--it just is what it is. Wouldn't it be awesome if we could take the facts, that which is true, from everyone's perception and put it together to see what reality really looks like? Instead of going around in circles with arguing, I wonder if we could dig deeper for truth together? Possible?


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Philanthropy2012 5 years ago from London

Rasta, could I ask your opinion on the reasoning for why the God of love allows constant suffering in infants who quickly die leaving this Earth with no understanding of what has happened?


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Philanthropy2012 5 years ago from London

Or what is it that attracts the God of Evil to do such an act to an innocent?


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Jean Bakula 5 years ago from New Jersey

I'll take this one. It's about the Law of Polarity. You cannot have good without bad, love without hate, hot without cold, happiness without sorrow, and so on.. As far as innocence, the baby could have had something wrong and it was a mercy. I would say the soul being born had a differnet karma to work out, but I doubt you think and like the same subjects as I do. It may seem badness comes to innocent people, but we have no way of seeing into each other's hearts.


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rasta1 5 years ago from Jamaica Author

To Philanthropy 2012:

Day vs night. Autumn vs Spring. so right Jean Bakula.

Even though your question has nothing to do with the hub or the line of present reasoning. I have to give my opinion.

It is the natural order of life. If you are born, you have to die. There is a time you feel pain, there is a time you feel no pain.

Someone recently gave me 10 dollars, I was very happy. Then there was an argument and the person took back the ten dollars. I was very upset, because i had made plans for the money. After I calmed down, I realized that I did not have the 10 dollars in the first, So why should I get angry if I lose it.

It is the same thing about life. I really cant complain when it is taken away, because I never had it in the first place.


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Philanthropy2012 5 years ago from London

@JeanBakula

"but we have no way of seeing into each other's hearts." so you're saying that babies can be born sinful? So they were born without even a chance to be good? That's not fair!

@Rasta1

I have a very simple question that puts God into perspective.

Could God have made the world with no pain and suffering?

Please keep in mind the entire concept of heaven.


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Philanthropy2012 5 years ago from London

WD Curry 111, please leave ad hominem out of this, instead state what it is that is a fallacy. For example, you have argued the God of Gaps fallacy.


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Paladin_ 5 years ago from Michigan, USA

Actually, rasta, the major problem I have with your thesis isn't that you used "quantum" instead of "relativistic." That could be written off as an honest mistake. We all make them.

After all, I committed the mistake of ommission in my comments this morning (not realizing it until I was at work): that I didn't include immense "speed" along with immense "size" in my discussion of relativity (lest anyone think the theory has no application in particle accelerators!).

Rather, I addressed that specific issue to illustrate what I perceive to be a much larger problem. It appears to me that you're very haphazardly attempting to apply a scientific veneer to a profoundly unscientific notion, with very little apparent understanding about what either quantum or relativity theories are about.

Yet even that could have provided an opportunity for some interesting discussion regarding the scientific or philosophical merits of your approach. While I still would have challenged you, I wouldn't have come on as strong as I did.

But when you asserted that Adam and Eve, the ancient Egyptians and other ancient cultures all knew and understood the formula E=MC2, that it was even used to build the pyramids, and that the Nubians used it for genetic splicing (!), I knew I smelled a rat.

What Einstein's equivalency equation has to do with building pyramids -- or even more outrageous -- genetic splicing, is beyond any reasonable person's guess.

I can't claim to be an expert in either quantum theory or relativity theory, but I do know enough about both to recognize when someone is just pulling things out of his butt. And sometimes I just just have to stand up and point such things out.


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rasta1 5 years ago from Jamaica Author

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


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rasta1 5 years ago from Jamaica Author

Please refer to the verses above carefully before reading this.

To Paladin:

There is no where in the article Quantum theory or relativity theory is mentioned. I am very sorry for misleading you. Please do not fall for that.

When you go to the beach and build a sand castle, you are actually converting energy into mass. I know that this generation only understand the energy formula in terms of blowing up things and not in terms of other applications. Don't fall for that trick either.

Remember energy cannot be destroyed, but converted from one form to another.

I have another hub coming out dealing with Quantum mechanics. You should copy and paste the comments from here over to there. It would be more appropriate.

To philanthropy 2012:

If human beings want freewill, there has to be pain and suffering (some people will choose to cause pain and suffering). Before you can go to heaven, you have to establish your heaven on earth. Pain and suffering is relative to our social, spiritual, cultural angle.


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gconeyhiden 5 years ago from Brooklyn, N.Y.C. U.S.A

I liked reading your equation, kind of found it interesting. still the concept of God is all over the place and maybe thats how it's meant to be. To me God is just a word that tries to describe that which cannot be described but apparently needs to be relentlessly by man. An itch that needs to be scratched.


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Philanthropy2012 5 years ago from London

@Rasta

So are you telling me that God could not have made a world with both free will and no suffering?


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WD Curry 111 5 years ago from Space Coast

I'm the one who brought up the energy formula. If I had time, I would get out my old text book from Annapolis where they don't understand the subject. My comment was only a thought I had when I came to understand the formula.

See if you can get your minds around this:

Rasta1 has been to the depths. His eyes were opened there. He saw the light . . . he felt he energy. He has written an exceptionally creative, beautiful, brilliant piece. It is mathematical poetry. I have studied intensely and formally . . . I have read many volumes. I have never seen anything so sweet and succinct!

Rasta1 became aware of his own unforgiveness and sin . . . he did not sweep it under the rug as we are prone to do. He found the cure for his aching heart. Still your aching hearts and hear his choice words of praise.

I don't banter with demons . . . sha kaleshime a kalama seita!


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Jean Bakula 5 years ago from New Jersey

Last comment: I didn't say babies were born sinful. You keep twisting everyone's words Philanthropy 2012. I'm saying maybe the child or person had a different destiny, or the soul was not ready for the plan for that lifetime, so there was a change "at the last minute." I think the Bible is myth, so I'm not arguing about that.


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rasta1 5 years ago from Jamaica Author

To philanthropy 2012:

Yes, that is what I am trying to say. Because, once man was given freewill like what you and I have. Some use this freewill to cause pain and suffering. Wickedness is a choice. People not believing in the goodness God is a choice.

If you understand the butterfly effect, a little wickedness here and there can cause a whole nation to suffer. Babies being born deformed or hungry due to nuclear atrocities and wars.

Let me drill this in. Man got the option to show love and decided to cause pain and suffering. Saw where they could donate a bread to some poor people, but instead gave them smallpox.

Respect WD


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Philanthropy2012 5 years ago from London

Ah I see! It's just that the Abrahamic God by definition is omnipotent (can do anything) and so the statement "God cannot" should not be able to exist? So is he or is he not omnipotent?


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Paladin_ 5 years ago from Michigan, USA

Rasta, up to this point, I was willing to assume you were simply a misguided believer, eager to shoehorn impressive-sounding scientific principles that you didn't really understand into an argument for God's existence. You certainly wouldn't be the first person so inclined.

However, after reading your repeated denials that you made no reference to either quantum or relativity theory in your hub, I am now convinced that you're intentionally being dishonest.

How can you claim that you make no reference to quantum theory when the title of your hub is "Quantum analysis of God?" How can you claim it when the illustration you chose is a scientific diagram of the Big Bang clearly identifying "quantum fluctuations" as the starting point?

Even more glaringly obvious, how can you claim you make no reference to relativity theory when the centerpiece of your discussion is the equation E=MC2, the single most recognizable element of Einstein's relativity theories?

How can you claim it when you identify the components of the equation exactly the way Einstein first did back in 1905 (M=mass, E=energy, C2=speed of light squared), although you attribute each to a completely different phenomenon?

The essence of your denials is that you didn't explicitly type the phrases "quantum theory" or "relativity theory" anywhere in your hub. Yet you make consistent references to elements of both throughout its text. This is the semantic chicanery of a dissembling politician, not someone who is seeking the truth, and it's all terribly disappointing.


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WD Curry 111 5 years ago from Space Coast

Phil and his Pal, when you wake up from your nap . . . I will fix you some cookies and milk.


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Sky9106 5 years ago from A beautiful place on earth.

If any living been is heading in the direction of that which is believed to be on the way to that which he believes . Whatever that may be.

Any point along that way becomes the point of accomplishment of any sort, it should be understood if only because , one of mankind simplest sayings is: what goes around comes around again.

Everything becomes easily swallowed in that looking at things in that light.

From my belief in that simply logical standpoint, I see this to be absolutely true. Just by looking at night and day.

Our earth may be a bubble in a bubble but my imagination reaches where that bubble is also inside of another bubble too.

Look how easy it is for it to be confirmed that the earth is round after the moon and the sun has been there throughout, how beautiful they all sit. If I might add , all dependent on each other.

So sweet that a great discussion could be had with all these taken into consideration.

And then there is the Most High God! He is for sure, has to be.

Blessup an changing look. Good luck with me but I am not a theory

Blessings.


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Sky9106 5 years ago from A beautiful place on earth.

Yes been alright , "Being"


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rasta1 5 years ago from Jamaica Author

Simplicity we use to survive.

To Paladin:

The energizer bunny for the energizer brand was a big failure in the 1990's because people thought that the bunny represented duracell. There was no indication of duracell in the advertisements. Why did this happen?

People had an expectation of what the advertisement was supposed to be. Even though the advertisement did not live up to the expectations. People just automatically branded it without paying attention. This was a big turn in marketing for the american marketing industry. It is the same technique used by pharmaceutical companies without saying that the drug does not work.

I already did apologize for using the technique of suggestion. This is indeed sincere. I did not do this intentionally. People already made presumptuous decisions before investigating the facts and will stick to their points without admitting they were wrong.

It was you (paladin) who said:

It begins with your title, "Quantum Analysis of God", which suggests you'll use quantum principles to analyze the question of God's existence. Yet the entirety of your thesis rests upon Einstein's equation defining the equivalency of mass and energy. This is a part of RELATIVITY, NOT QUANTUM, theory! "

You are pre-defining the article and admitting it has nothing to do with quantum theory. I do not know why you would be misguided.

I just used that picture because it looked really cool and gave a general idea about what I am about to say.

Some people are good at long division but scuff at the idea of doing short division.

To philantropy 2012:

again you have switched the line of questions.

By the virtue of the Lord giving you the ability to ask such a question, does means the Lord is omni-everything.


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WD Curry 111 5 years ago from Space Coast

Sky9106

"Our earth may be a bubble in a bubble but my imagination reaches where that bubble is also inside of another bubble too."

Classic. The diet of locusts and honey agrees with you. Tell Rasta1 and the other Essene brothers that Chip gives his regards. Let me know when, and I will bring some fish.


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Sky9106 5 years ago from A beautiful place on earth.

Be careful with that promise of my main source of nourishment, it will be a no brainier, and there is no doubt of who is a man of their word .

I have learned quite a bit on this thread and apart from the temptation of the regular clash of minds I think that we can all learn, and get along nicely.

I am going to look up those name you furnished me with.

Thanks brethren, the world is a small place.

Blessings.


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Paladin_ 5 years ago from Michigan, USA

Rasta, this is YOUR hub. Only YOU can "pre" define it. That is what titles are for, you know. Whether or not I recognize that your thesis wasn't about quantum theory is not the issue with YOUR hub. The issue is whether or not YOU recognize it! You insist that you do, but your hub suggests otherwise.

But that's not even the main issue here. Rather, it is whether or not your approach to the question of God's existence is credible, given the laxadaisical way you've applied scientific principles, the outrageous historical claims you've made and the dubious rationalizations you've offered when challenged.

My conclusion is that it's not.


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rasta1 5 years ago from Jamaica Author

To Paladin:

This is what you should have said from the start. If you think that the thesis, is not good enough. I could put some work in it and try to establish my points more clearly.

When I refer to the energy formula, I am referring P=IV, E=Hv and all other formulas for energy. I can connect any activity in the past or present with the energy formula. Nothing can accomplished without energy manipulation. Whether browsing walmart shelves or genetically designing a tomato.

I did do some electrical science in college, but they did not explain it in this way. They tried to make it look so sophisticated and complicated. When the only thing they had to tell me was, energy could not be created or destroyed but transferred from one form to another.

In conclusion, each one of us is a manifestation of the Lords energy.


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WD Curry 111 5 years ago from Space Coast

Pal . . . no cookies for you. You are being naughty.


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Philanthropy2012 5 years ago from London

Does anybody actually speak english here?


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Jean Bakula 5 years ago from New Jersey

I keep being drawn back to this hub somehow. I think Rasta approached this hub as all writers do. He had something to say, and used language to describe it. He knew what he wanted this hub to be about. I don't think he was trying to prove a scientifc discovery or make a definite claim to one. He is trying to explain relationships between subjects that are on his mind, and maybe his facts were not 100% correct. I am not a scientist, so I don't know. But he's a writer here, not a scientist. He's only trying to make the point that God is energy, that people have free will, people are energy, and we all have different vibrations, faster for the more spiritual. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, so I think he is wondering where that energy goes when the body dies. He's not writing a Master's dissertation here. Philanthropy, in all respect, why don't you check out a few science forums. In the first pages of HP, you can see a very long list of every subject written about in the history of HP. I think you will find scientists there. It is also useful to find what subjects were not written about, which make excellent topics for hubs! In my humble opinion, Rasta 1 is trying to figure out life questions, trying out some science answers, but not sure if he really believes them. I could be wrong (and often am). Honest, last post!


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WD Curry 111 5 years ago from Space Coast

Rasta1 - I appreciate your humility. Please don't change a word of your wonderful work. It is a stroke of genius. Why touch up a masterpiece? Are those guys from your home town? A prophet is never recognized in his home town.

For the record: Einstein's theories and formulas are to help describe and quantify the space/time continuum, thus the term quantum. The field of study includes everything from the tiniest particle to the greatest end. Theoretically it continues until great becomes small and small, great. Sky9106's bubble analogy, a succinct presentation of the concept in perfect English (English is always changing) speaks to this.

Now, in high school or required college physics 101 class, many well meaning teachers say relativity is big and quantum is small. They don't really grasp the concept themselves. That is because we use quantum to study on the atomic level, and relativity is used in space travel scenarios. The text books are often incomplete on that level as well. The dynamics of space/time continuum gets lost in the shuffle to the next chapter on thermodynamics. It is a primary introduction and by no means thorough.

On that level of education, you will also hear hat you should never end a sentence with a preposition. As you continue in your learning you will certainly find that there is no such (formal) rule. Some people just don't know where it's at.


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Paladin_ 5 years ago from Michigan, USA

"This is what you should have said from the start."

Fair enough.

Still, I'm glad we went back and forth as we did, for I consider it a valuable learning experience (but then, I suppose all learning experiences are valuable). I was outraged at first by some of your claims, but in discussing them I believe I gained a deeper insight into the thinking of folks like you who take a far different approach to understanding the universe than mine.


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Paladin_ 5 years ago from Michigan, USA

Incidentally, WD, you're full of beans. For the record, the "quantum" in Quantum theory doesn't come from the fact that Einstein's theories help to explain and "quantify" the space-time continuum. They do, but that's not the origin of the phrase -- at least not with regard to the theory that bears the name Quantum.

The word "quantify," as you're applying it to Einstein's theories, is the much broader, more conventional application of the word. In that manner, it could be applied to anything that is measured. If I use my speedometer to "quantify" how fast I'm travelling down the road, it has nothing to do with Quantum theory.

The word "quantum" in Quantum theory arises very specifically from the term for the tiniest amount of energy involved in interactions at the atomic and subatomic level. In other words, exactly what your teachers were trying to tell you.


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rasta1 5 years ago from Jamaica Author

The spirit goes back to God after bio-death. It has to go from whence it came. Check out my hub (biological death).

To Jean Bakula: There is this saying (joke) in Jamaica. When you go to the beach. Never say your going for your last swim (it may be). Your input is very much appreciated.

To WD Curry 111: Please do not attack Paladin.

To Paladin: Please do not attack WD Curry 111, He is a very good friend of mine.


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WD Curry 111 5 years ago from Space Coast

My Pal, you are right. I just had a meal of spicy Cuban garbanzo soup. I can't eat another bite! I like Florida, we get food from many peoples and many lands. I am used to Yankee tourists, too. They complain,"You can't get good pizza down here!" That is what they are used to.

Spend some money and go back home. Tell the sun it wasn't shining on your visit.


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WD Curry 111 5 years ago from Space Coast

Thanks Rasta1 - not everyone recognizes a friend. I can take care of myself. This is just light work compared to what I have run into, and I ain't talking DubBlazes. I could tell you some stories. I enjoy the exercise, I haven't even broken a sweat.

If you want to hear one of my favorite stories (it isn't long) it is told here.

http://wdcurry111.hubpages.com/hub/Perception-of-D...


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Sky9106 5 years ago from A beautiful place on earth.

Sorry brethren I gave this to him already , but your version may be better , after all you are WD Curry 111

. Not even an eti biti sweat?

U d man.

Bless


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WD Curry 111 5 years ago from Space Coast

The other was the jpg - for your gazing - this is the article, for your grazing.

I regret that the focus has been taken off of the original piece. I see hubs from here to there.

It is . . . . "Great hub, voted up and interesting." . . . "I love the way you put this together. I never associated math with spirituality." . . . or . . ."Rasta, you did a good job of explaining so that I could pretty well understand it and that is saying a lot. My brain never seems to work that way. Thanks, it was a good Hub clara"

I can tell you exactly what is happening here, but I'll have you guess. What is the problem? Who is disturbed by this new approach? Why does it matter? Why has force been applied against it?

I will tell you this straight out. It is a powerful teaching in a new form of communication. Show me it's predecessor so I can give it the credit. It is new territory for the mind, but cultivated ground to the heart. It is dangerous to someone. Who?

Rasta1, that is the magnitude of your work. I am anxious to see what you come up with next.


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rasta1 5 years ago from Jamaica Author

This piece was a risky one for me, I had so much to say. Also I did not want to lose anyone or myself. Also math and spirituality is referred to as sorcery in JA.

I have one more quantum hub coming out soon, I am writing it right now. But I am not as prolific as sky. I am a pretty slow writer.


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Sky9106 5 years ago from A beautiful place on earth.

If the other one doesn't rocket to 100, can't see what will. I had a blast in the shadows, but I am convinced that: "All the world's a stage .

I am proud to be another with that which would undoubtedly be termed an "act" and that's fine. But the truth, and there is only one. Yours and mine.

Not what's yours is mine and what's mine is also mine.

I have watched the wars they cause and I aqm also hearing the rumors of war the great Bible spoke of because according to Bob, "EVERYONE HAVE THE ANSWER" but he went on to say, people don't let them fool "Unu" I understand both quite prolifically. $$$$$$ che ching$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Blessings rasta1 and thanks .


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WD Curry 111 5 years ago from Space Coast

Be it far from me to tell a prophet about the will of JA.

I only know my own experience, and it has taught me that JA knows math. JA is opposed to selfish or malicious manipulation. I remember the Zoroasteran priests of Persia, and how they were plying their trade in the heavens. They saw a certain star. I'm sure they worked the equation twice. They went to their great King and told him a king has been born to the Hebrews. He packed up a train and an escort and finally sent them on their journey. They did the math, brother. They did the math.

You did well to draw from the library of Alexandria. Most of the good stuff burned in the fire. I see you found a smoldering brand. You made it a torch with your breath!

I was proud. It was a witness that the Bible is true. There is nothing new under the sun.

The Bible says,"God has a name that only he knows." That is the name I want to call him by. He will tell me, soon.


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Sky9106 5 years ago from A beautiful place on earth.

How profoundly I remember that finishing Line , and I know that will be the day all who so desires will have to face , but which great man would mind seeing the greatest.

I sincerely join you brother Chip.

Blessings.


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Philanthropy2012 5 years ago from London

I think it was a very poetic way of describing one's faith for God. It wasn't science though.


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htodd 5 years ago from United States

Great hub on .."Quantum analysis of God"


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Sky9106 5 years ago from A beautiful place on earth.

Well on it's way to a much warranted "100"

I learned so much off this hub, I await part two .

If the powers that be at present, can ever conduct themselves with this degree of clarity I can change my outlook on the future of our kids.

Bless.


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gconeyhiden 5 years ago from Brooklyn, N.Y.C. U.S.A

so God is just the energy. that simple? so why not some haiku? lets get even simpler and forget the word God altogether. energy is fine by me especially positive energy. peace & love


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rasta1 5 years ago from Jamaica Author

Respect htodd and gconeyhiden. Thanks for reading.

Come to think of it, The air we breath can be seen as the spirit of life. You cannot see the wind, but you can feel it. You cant live without it or track where it goes or comes from.


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Philanthropy2012 5 years ago from London

Rasta,

Standard reply 1: God Vs Air

Air

1. We can see the effect air has.

2. We can perform chemical analysis to see what the air contains and in what quantities.

3. We can measure the force (pressure) exerted by the air.

4. We can and have formed predictive models for air and its effects on our environment. These tested positively

5. We can see air by reducing its temperature.

God however has just one book written by 40 different people.


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Sky9106 5 years ago from A beautiful place on earth.

The truest book is oneself.

Bless.


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Philanthropy2012 5 years ago from London

Sky, I'm not so sure, some people read into themselves that they need to kill all other human beings. I'm not so sure about that kind of truth, but maybe that person just needed intrapersonal reading glasses.


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rasta1 5 years ago from Jamaica Author

Philantropy can see the wind blowing back and forth. He can track it back it and forth. He can also live without it. Those are the only points I made and you rebutted.

Are you telling the truth. Please refer to what I said carefully. Read it around three times then read your reply. I don't think your being honest because I don't think your stupid.

If you can prove to me, how you live without air, then I would apologize for saying it is the spirit of life.


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Philanthropy2012 5 years ago from London

First of all, we can live without air. Breathing through an oxygen tank is not breathing air. We can live without air. We cannot live without oxygen. Therefore, I can live without air. Whether I can afford to is another question.

Secondly, you can see wind. A sandstorm is a gust of wind with sand in it. You can see the sand moving, so you can see the wind moving. And as such I can "track it back and forth".

Lastly, like I already mentioned, you can see oxygen in it's liquid and solid form.

Now, if you could please refer me to the similarities between something that we can't live without, something we can see, and something that we can predict, and something that we cannot live without (atheists live), something we cannot see, and something that we cannot predict.

Also, we know that certain things are under the effect of the winds. We do not know whether something is under the effects of the Abrahamic God. And we do not know this because whatever his affects are, there is simply no reason for us to believe that they are there.

The only reason anyone is Christian is because Christianity exists. Leave a newborn baby to grow up without such words or concepts and it will never learn of it. Religion is a hoax. Spirituality isn't.


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Sky9106 5 years ago from A beautiful place on earth.

See Blessings and one love to all , do appreciate the wisdom . I do Love the legacy of Bob Marley , because after all it's "One Love".

Then "every man got a right to decide his own destiny!" So in the keeping of true respect, I do give

"giant kudos" to this hub author "rasta1" and all those who followed and commented, leaving other possible angles for fellow Hubbers and everyone who reads to look at.Bless.

Because it's a beautiful hub and the wisdom therein is also being shared in an un- selfishly manner and with a certain degree of clarity, making it easy enough , so that this man, could learn a thing or two, about other men beliefs and ideologies.

Blessup!


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WD Curry 111 5 years ago from Space Coast

You are gracious in that cryptic toungue you have mastered Sky9106. You avoid a confrontation and that is good. I am a Florida boy, though. We call BS. There is enough in here to where I need a shovel. First, I have to endure the freshman year community college version of Quantum (or perhaps Hulk comics). Now . . . we don't breath air!


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rasta1 5 years ago from Jamaica Author

I am sorry Philantropy. I cant make u do this to yourself. I am going to let you win this one.

You can see the wind, even when it blows things around.

You can live without air.

And you can see where it is coming from.

Please do not explain how you do this(Please).

And stop changing the topics and hijacking my little poems.

Ask an insane or sane person to read what you have said, in your last comment. Come on maaan. Better yet, ask an 8 year old for some guidance.


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Philanthropy2012 5 years ago from London

Rasta, since I have already explained exactly how every single healthy human being can do all of the above mentioned, I will simply re-post my previous comment. Maybe it is you who should be reading my comment three times before responding. I have offered a true argument for my case where you have just resorted to ridicule. That is not loving by anyone's standards.

First of all, we can live without air. Breathing through an oxygen tank is not breathing air. We can live without air. We cannot live without oxygen. Therefore, I can live without air. Whether I can afford to is another question.

Secondly, you can see wind. A sandstorm is a gust of wind with sand in it. You can see the sand moving, so you can see the wind moving. And as such I can "track it back and forth".

Lastly, like I already mentioned, you can see oxygen in it's liquid and solid form.

Now, if you could please refer me to the similarities between something that we can't live without, something we can see, and something that we can predict, and something that we cannot live without (atheists live), something we cannot see, and something that we cannot predict.

Also, we know that certain things are under the effect of the winds. We do not know whether something is under the effects of the Abrahamic God. And we do not know this because whatever his affects are, there is simply no reason for us to believe that they are there.

The only reason anyone is Christian is because Christianity exists. Leave a newborn baby to grow up without such words or concepts and it will never learn of it. Religion is a hoax. Spirituality isn't.


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rasta1 5 years ago from Jamaica Author

If you can live without air, why would you want to live by the sub-components of air. Common sense, if you delete air, all the sub-components are deleted.

The sand is not a component of the wind. If you delete the wind, sand will not be deleted.

If you have ever done computer programming or done mathematical models, you would have known, your reasoning is of great folly. It is not logical.

2. We can perform chemical analysis to see what the air contains and in what quantities.

You should do this.


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WD Curry 111 5 years ago from Space Coast

"The only reason anyone is Christian is because Christianity exists. Leave a newborn baby to grow up without such words or concepts and it will never learn of it. Religion is a hoax. Spirituality isn't."

No one mentioned Christianity here, but you Phil. It is funny. You have a predisposed bigotry against Christianity and Christians, yet you are preaching the same thing that Jesus did. That's quantum.


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Philanthropy2012 5 years ago from London

"Common sense, if you delete air, all the sub-components are deleted."

No that's false logic, if you delete sandwiches, bread does not cease to exist. If you delete air, it doesn't mean that all of the oxygen in H2O won't exist...

As for "the sand is not a component of the wind. If you delete the wind, sand will not be deleted"

the definition of air includes "mixture with varying amounts of moisture and particulate matter, enveloping the earth", the key words being particulate matter. Sand is silicon dioxide, and so the air that we call "air with sand" is air that has a substantially higher quantity of silicon dioxide in it than the average air on the planet.

The average air being (as has been tested) 78% nitrogen 21% oxygen, 0.0065% carbon dioxide, and the rest noble gases.

So once again you have used false logic. Wind with sand in it is wind. So if you were to delete that wind, the sand, and all other atoms that constitute it, would be deleted.

Regardless of any of the above points which you got wrong anyway, your point was that you cannot "track wind back and forth" but you can, as I have proved. If it has any large visible particles in it, you can see and place a location to the wind.

So tell me how it is MY logic that is illogical.

@WD Curry 111

I use Christianity as an example of religion because it is the largest one, my point can be extended to any and all official definitions of God, and subsequent religions. In the very statement you quoted I state "religion is a hoax" showing that I have extended my point from christianity to all religions. There is no bigotry here.

As for your comments, you have provided nothing but ad hominem relentlessly, useless.


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WD Curry 111 5 years ago from Space Coast

Check how you come across. Christianity is not the biggest religion. You live in a comic book universe where you don't have to do your homework.


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rasta1 5 years ago from Jamaica Author

Write the program in a programming language of your choice and send it to me, ask someone who writes programs or mathematical models to help you.

Don't reply until you post the model. If you dump a sandwich in the rubbish, why would you go back to the garbage and take the bread.

I want to see your model, use sets in algebra to explain yourself. Sets is a good model. Please don't reply until you set up a model.


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Philanthropy2012 5 years ago from London

That's not an argument for anything Rasta. Please explain to me your HUB in Hebrew then arabic, then clingong, until you do, I won't listen to anything you have to say.

That's the best cowardly retreat from an argument I have ever heard of!


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rasta1 5 years ago from Jamaica Author

Remember, I am a mathematician. Sets is the easiest model code to use. They teach this in American high schools. I know this.

If it cannot be interpreted mathematically or abstractly. Then it does not make any sense to me or other mathematicians. (everyone is a mathematician)


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Druid Dude 5 years ago from West Coast

Very astute. I would say, profound. Most are not aware enough to co-relate the being with the equation. They don't realize that consciousness itself is in the energy which Einstein described. He, of course, didn't invent it. The human heart and the human brain, thought itself is part and parcel of that same energy. Nothing about us is ever really gone. And Phil 2012...that's KLINGON...a fictitious language from Star Trek...and if you don't know how to spell it, then you probably don't know much about it.


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rasta1 5 years ago from Jamaica Author

Very true Druid, understanding how the human psyche is connected to the universe will answer a lot of questions that is asked by humanity.


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sunkentreasure 4 years ago

THE BEAUTY OF GOD’S LOVE By BERNARD LEVINE

God is amazing

He chooses every baby's DNA and blood type

He puts every star in place to float in the sky

He creates every fingerprint with a rare design

He makes an egg to burst open with life.

God is great

He selects all the love-songs for every bird to sing

He makes broken bones mend

He gives every flower its specific perfume

He cares for seeds and they turn to fruit.

God is awesome

He tells the seasons when to change

He gives us air so we can breathe

He feeds multitudes of living organisms on our planet

He waters fields of green carpets with morning dew.

Every leaf is a marvel of God's genius

Every baby is filled with God's love

There is nothing in this world more precious

than the beautiful kindness of God.

© Bernard Levine


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rasta1 4 years ago from Jamaica Author

Give thanks sunkentreasure, this was a beautiful poem. This is appreciated.

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