REFUTE of SALVATION for ALL Doctrine
CRITICAL ERR OF SALVATION FOR ALL
I have become aware of an entire group that is against the biblical "Christian" teaching that only those IN CHRIST JESUS will be saved. This doctrine teaches that ALL will be saved, even to the point that Satan himself and his fallen angels, and everyone who rebels against God will simply be purified by God's all consuming, spiritual fire (there is no HELL) and will indeed be SAVED by that fire (on earth and in the after-life) and we all live happily ever after. They also believe man has no choice to receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, but that God makes that choice for them. Otherwise, they claim that Christians are saying God is weak.
The interesting thing about this group is that they don't claim any particular church root or doctrine (other than bibletruths.com, created by L. Ray Smith). Many, if not most of the people following Ray's teachings do not claim to be saved (yet) and thus, I am questioning whether Ray claims to be saved either! Indeed, no one can understand the truth of the Word without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, nor can they have this guidance until they receive the Holy Spirit through salvation!
First of all, we must expose the root of L. Ray Smith. There was/is a hubber on HubPages called "yes2truth" who was an avid follower of this man's teaching, yet I recently stumbled upon a web-posting written by him back in March 2006 called "L. Ray Smith - The Legalist Blasphemer!" in which he states, and I quote, "Myself, like old Ray, having once been a member of Herbert W. Armstrongs's Judaising cult, and upon stumbling across ('stumbling' being a very relevant word here) L. Ray Smith's website and forum, I instantly related to his no nonsense style of preaching/teaching, which in itself is fine, and therein found much Truth being taught, but then, Hello!? I've been here before haven't I? Yes of course I had and there it was, all the time, that old stumbling block of legalism."
Now, I've already exposed Armstrongism in my hub A False Prophet of the Last Days? Another name for this cult is the Worldwide Church of God.
I am burdened for all those who are following this false teaching! Rather than go into ALL the scripture references they've publicized and their interpretation, I will rather get to the point or the bottom line. If there are those of you that really are searching and wish to be open to the truth, though it's much nicer to believe we're entitled to salvation no matter what, please feel free to send me an email, and I will do my best to research and share the "rest of the story" (explained below):
The ROOT: Misinterpretation of SCRIPTURE
The Bible warns us of such things to come: 2 Peter 2:16-17 in regard to all the letters written by the Apostle Paul, "in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard lest, being carried away by the error of unprincipled men, you fall from your own steadfastness, but grow in the grace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen."
One of these ALL ARE SAVED/NO HELL/MAN HAS NO CHOICE followers sent me the following statement:
"You need to start believing these verses of Scripture and not what you THINK it's suppose to mean! It says the inhabitants of the WORLD. When? When Thy judgments are in the earth. Now who does that include? The whole earth, all the inhabitants of the whole world, to me that is everybody. You say, ‘no it’s not.’ Well to me it is, I’m sorry you are going to have to show me a verse that says, when His judgments are in the earth, NOT all the inhabitants of the whole world will learn righteousness. Do you have a Scripture that says that? ‘No.’
Here is my response: You are quoting Isaiah 26:9 and you asked me to show you a verse that says, when His judgments are in the earth, NOT all the inhabitants of the whole world will learn righteousness. I do have that verse! Read the VERY NEXT VERSE, verse 10, and I quote the Word, "Though the wicked is shown favor (the Jews are God's preferred), He does NOT learn righteousness; He deals unjustly in the land of uprightness, And does not perceive the majesty of the LORD."
In doing hours and hours of study to answer every verse quoted to me by one of these members, I noticed this to be the case many times. One verse without reading the very next one, which then denies, or limits the whole context of "the rest of the story". We can see how Satan himself uses this practice when he tempts Jesus Christ in the desert.
In Luke 4:9-11, verse 10 quotes Satan as saying, “for it is written, ‘HE WILL GIVE HIS ANGELS CHARGE CONCERNING YOU TO GUARD YOU, and ‘ON THEIR HANDS THEY WILL BEAR YOU UP, LEST YOU STRIKE YOUR FOOT AGAINST A STONE.’” Indeed, Satan was quoting the prophesy written in the Old Testament in Psalm 91:11-12 accurately! His motive, though, was to tempt Jesus to throw himself down off the top of the pinnacle of the temple on which he stood! Interestingly enough, Satan stopped at verse 12. THE VERY NEXT VERSE states, "You will tread upon the lion and cobra, The young lion and the serpent you will trample down." Jesus answered him in Luke 4:12, quoting Deuteronomy 6:16: “It is said, ‘YOU SHALL NOT PUT THE LORD YOUR GOD TO THE TEST’”. Hmmm. Did Jesus just say he was “THE LORD, YOUR GOD?" (Satan’s GOD?). YES.
Here are some more scriptures in which this group practices the same thing:
- Isaiah 42:16 (they neglect verse 17)
- Isaiah 45:22-23 (they neglect verses 24 and 25)
- Philippians 2:10-11 (they neglect verse 12)
- 1 John 2:2 (they neglect verse 3)
- 1 John 4:14 (they neglect verse 15)
Refute of ALL will be SAVED
Luke 13:23-28 “And someone said to Him, ‘Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?’ And He said to them, “Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, 'Sir, open the door for us.' "But He will answer, 'I don't know you or where you come from.' Then you will say, 'We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.' But He will reply, 'I don't know you or where you come from. Away from Me, all you evildoers!' There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out.”
Matthew 25:41 "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels."
A couple of the passages used by this group to "prove" that people will be saved through spiritual "fire" is 1 Peter 1:7 and 1 Cor 3:13-15. First of all, believers have FAITH; unbelievers do not. These passages have to do with the saved. Let me show here how it's written in the NAS version of the Bible:
1 Peter 1:7 "that is the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"
Translated correctly, this is better understood by the proper typing of the words and punctuation:
"That the trial of your faith (much more precious than gold which is tried by the fire) may be found unto praise and glory and honour at the appearing of Jesus Christ." (DRB)
1 Cor 3:13-15 "each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it, because it is to be revealed with fire; and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work. If any man's work which he has built upon it remains; he shall receive a reward. If any man's work is burned up, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as through fire."
The following scriptures help clarify its meaning: Zechariah 3:2; Amos 4:11; and Jude 23.
The interpretation is as follows: A builder whose building (works), not the foundation (his salvation), is consumed by fire, escapes (is snatched out), and thus he suffers the loss of his work (therefore, the loss of his reward-prize). The word it above is the foundation of Jesus Christ in Whom he has his FAITH. He does not lose his salvation, nor does he obtain it by these works.
Eph 2:8-9 state, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast."
And WHAT of the following scriptures?
Isa 53:12 “and He bare the sin of MANY”
Mat 20:28 “and to give His life a ransom for MANY."
Mat 26:28 “For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for MANY for the remission of sins.
John 1:12 "But as MANY as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name."
Heb 9:28 “So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of MANY”
The Bible does NOT contradict itself.
Refute that there IS NO HELL
Regarding the Lake of Fire: This group believes God would never be so cruel as to cast or throw anyone into a literal hell of fire. This is rooted in the fact they can't understand how we could possily not grieve the fact that any of our loved ones would be sent to such a place, while in heaven for all eternity! When we look at the rich man in the account of Hades (Luke 16:19-31), indeed the rich man pleaded that someone be sent to his family members to share the plan of salvation with them before it was too late! This was a portion of his torment! The Word says to these people who have chosen NOT to believe in Hell for this purpose, as follows:
In Matthew 10:37, Jesus said, “He that loveth father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me."
Luke 9:59-62 states, "And Jesus said to another, 'Follow Me'." But the man said, "Permit me first to go and bury my father." But Jesus said to him, "Allow the dead to bury their own dead; but as for you, go and proclaim everywhere the kingdom of God."
And another also said, "I will follow You, Lord; but first permit me to say good-bye to those at home." But Jesus said to him, "No one, after putting his hand to the plow and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God."
The Lord responds to those who think that His judgment for the wicked is "not right" in Ezekiel 18:23-32. He states the same thing in verses 25 and 29 as follows: "Yet you say, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' Hear now, O house of Israel (the chosen)! Is My way not right? Is it not your ways that are not right?" He also states the same thing in verses 23 adn 32 as follows: "For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies,' declares the Lord GOD. 'Therefore, repent and live."
2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 “For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed-- for our testimony to you was believed.”
This group believes the Lake of Fire is a purification fire for the unsaved that will bring them to salvation in their immortal life (after they die). In regard to this fire saving people, we've addressed that in the section above. To claim that man is saved through judgment, rather than the sacrifice Jesus already made for us on the cross to continually forgive us of our sin, is negating the purpose of the cross!
There is a Lake of Fire, whether they believe it's an actual place or the spiritual "fire" of God upon the unsaved (it is both). Nowhere in the Bible does it state that there will be another chance for salvation into the Kingdom of God once put there. It is final. We had our choice for salvation while alive. If you don't obtain salvation through Jesus Christ BEFORE YOU DIE, your name will not be found in the Lamb's Book of Life and you WILL be cast into that Lake of Fire where Satan, the fallen angels, the Antichrist and the False Prophet are also, as immortal, never to die again.
Mark 9:49 describes the Lake of Fire based on Isaiah 66:24, “where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.” The Word also says of the Lake of Fire (geenna) in Revelation 14:10-11, "...he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
Refute that Man has NO CHOICE
This group uses the following scripture as one to prove that we didn't choose God, but He chose us.
John 15:16 John is quoting Jesus saying, "Ye have NOT CHOSEN me, but I have CHOSEN you, and ORDAINED you" IN CONTEXT, they MUST read the exact quote of Jesus in John 6:70 (which is before John 15) and I quote, "Jesus answered them, 'Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?' Now He meant Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to betray him." Having twelve apostles was a must, so Judas was replaced by Matthius in Acts 1:12-26.
Please know that the CHOSEN of God are of the twelve TRIBES of Israel shown in Revelation 7:5-8 as follows: Judah, Reuben, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph and Benjamin. Anyone who is saved outside the Jewish faith is of the tribe of Judah and is grafted in to the elect of God! I would recommend reading my hub The Elect of God.
God blinds, yes. God hardens the hearts of the wicked (as with Pharaoh), yes. But even as the blind man was blind to the glory of God (so that he could see and give glory to God) [John 9:1-3], God does not prevent people from their very SALVATION. He accomplishes His will, whatever it takes, but does NOT prevent someone from making the choice in receiving His salvation.
2 Corinthians 4:4 is written as follows: "In whom, the god of this age, hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, to the end they may not discern the radiance of the glad-message of the glory of the Christ—who is the image of God."
Those who are spiritually blind are blind by their own merit, as described in the following confirming verses:
Acts 17:30-31 “Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man [Jesus] whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead."
Acts 18:6 “But when they resisted and blasphemed, he shook out his garments and said to them, "Your blood be on your own heads! I am clean. From now on I will go to the Gentiles."
God's Word says to "If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, CHOOSE THIS DAY WHOM YE WILL SERVE; AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE, WE WILL SERVE THE LORD." (Joshua 24:15) Jesus told Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews in regard to salvation, "You MUST be BORN AGAIN." (John 3:1-7), and read this: "[The jailer] "brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house" (Acts 16:30-31). To know about the plan of salvation, please read my hub Come to Jesus: SALVATION.
This group uses the scripture . "NO MAN CAN come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me DRAW HIM: and I will raise him up at the last day" (John 6:44)” as grounds for God being the One to choose who gets saved, when and how. The translation of the word DRAW actually means to DRAG. That's true. I've written a separate hub called SALVATION: Unless God DRAG Us?. This will answer what this scripture really means.
As far as God creating evil and thus being the One who makes us sinful, I have written yet another hub called The Battle for Your SOUL to answer this, and invite you to read.
So, let's look at their doctrine of man having no choice, and thus God also will purify man, Satan and his angels with fire. Are they implying that throughout the firey trials, man will be able to make a choice? If not, why wouldn't God save them without puting them through fire? What difference does it make? AMEN.
A Matter of LIFE and DEATH!
The Word says, "My people are DESTROYED for lack of knowledge." So many sheep (yes people) have gone astray; each man turns to his own way, the Bible says. If we don't learn to study the whole Bible and prove the Bible with the Bible for ouselves, we are vulnurable to follow the teachings of any man that seems to have what they claim is "understanding", following "every wind of doctrine". Even I only teach with the Bible and prove it with the Bible. I don't give you my own translation; I will be held accountable (James 3:1) and SO WILL THEY!
"LET NOT MANY OF YOU BECOME TEACHERS, MY BRETHREN, KNOWING THAT AS SUCH WE SHALL INCUR A STRICTER JUDGMENT"
Know this: the Devil can't prey on sheep that KNOW their God! Yes, he will persecute us, but that's all he can do. He only goes after the ignorant (innocent). Don't be destroyed by Satan. It's easier to believe this false doctrine than it is the truth. That should tell you everything. Had there not been such err in this massive doctrine based on ALL by this group, I would have not developed such a burden for them in writing this hub, but this is a matter of spiritual life or death to ALL , (comma)...those who follow their teachings! Bottom Line.
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