Ramayana and Mahabarath are real representation of human life in subtle manner!

Epic heros!

Accept the will of God and this is true surrender!

Human mind is prone to resistance. The mind never accepts any new or altered situation. Resistance seems to be inbuilt in the mindset of many people. Why people resist? Because, they are never comfortable with new ideas from others or new ways to improve one’s character, and hence people resist changes. For instance, go to some remote area where tribal or primitive people are living without drawing the attention of outer world. A chance expedition by some person in deep jungle might have exposed to the existence of some people. They have adapted well to their own surroundings and exist within the available resources within the jungle. (This is how the Stone Age man or cave man existed earlier) If you tell them that the government is interested in their welfare and want to better their living conditions, none of the inhabitants will be receptive and probably, they may even rubbish our good intentions.

This is the experience of authorities in India, when they tried to explore Andaman Islands and the adjoining one. Those native people are never comfortable with any intruders, even if they are from government, who go there to examine the living condition of such people. Indian government, with very great difficulty reached out only a small section of the natives by constructing schools, hospitals and other welfare measures. They are never interested in government doling those cash since they are not aware of the uses of cash or the value of the cash. Since many of the basic amenities are not available in such remote areas, which may usher shopping tendency, the natives treat cash like a piece of waste paper.

Philosophically speaking, acceptance denotes surrender. When we accept the will of god and accept any situation or circumstance, we are on the path of surrender, which is the easiest way to reach god. The warrior Arjuna surrendered his will to Krishna and he received the great teachings in the form of Bagawath Gita, in the battle field. When his conscious was clarified, he accepted performing his duty in the battle field. For a warrior, engagement in just war is his fundamental duty and he cannot escape from this duty. Hence Krishna convinced him to perform his allotted duty and leave the rest to him. Before that, he was questioning Krishna on the legitimacy of engaging in a war in which many lakhs of people will lay their life. The resultant bloodshed will create unsavory circumstances. After slaughtering many of my own people, how I can enjoy the kingdom? He prods Krishna thus. Krishna illumined Arjuna about the fundamental ignorance and body attachment. Arjuna! You consider yourself as the body, whereas you are the immortal soul residing in the body. Bodies may come and go but the spirit within is Eternal and suffer no birth or death. Then only Arjuna realized his folly and engaged himself in the war.

In the life of every human being, the mind is the battle field in which both good and bad thoughts vie to gain supremacy. The vile thoughts being numerous and virtues are few, with the grace of Divine self, everyone here can succeed in this combat, subduing their evil and enthroning the virtues. This battle goes on forever in the minds of all. Ordinary people succumb to the evil and slide into error and sin. The virtuous people heed to good promptings from the self, root out the evils in them. Every epic has an inner meaning. In Ramayana, Rama was Brahman. All the four brothers represented four virtues enshrined in the scriptures. With the aid of valor or courage, they searched for Sita (wisdom) which was abducted by the demon. Finally they fought a valiant battle and retrieved the wisdom in the form of Sita!

The Mahabarath, all the five brothers represented the senses and Draupathi is the mind principle. The senses can act only with the aid of mind. Hence the five brothers had their wife Draupathi which represents the mind. The hundred evil cousins represented one hundred evil qualities and five brothers represented five virtuous qualities. Hasthinapura is nothing but the body formed with its skeleton network. The blind king Dridarashtra represented ‘ignorance’. Due to ignorance, attachments to his one hundred sons ruled his mind. With the help of God in the form of Krishna, the five virtuous brothers engaged in battle with evil and emerged victorious. Hence both the epics are representation of human life.

Hence we must surrender to the self within and achieve victory over evil in our life to attain salvation or self-realization.

Epics teach us life!

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Abhimanyu gaur 9 months ago from India

Very nice hub. You really know a lot about Vedas and other epics.


saisarannaga 9 months ago from Chennai in Tamilnadu, India. Author

Thank you Abhimanyu gaur for going through the hub and generous comments.


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Jay C OBrien 9 months ago from Houston, TX USA

From article:

"The warrior Arjuna surrendered his will to Krishna and he received the great teachings in the form of Bagawath Gita, in the battle field. When his conscious was clarified, he accepted performing his duty in the battle field. For a warrior, engagement in just war is his fundamental duty and he cannot escape from this duty."

Please allow me to ask questions as I do not understand why Arjuna killed his family. The word, "killed" here means to separate their energy body from their physical body thus interrupting their education in the material plane.

So the question becomes, "why did Arjuna kill his family members?"

There is always another way. Killing in the name of religion is terrorism. Was Arjuna mentally ill?


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Abhimanyu gaur 9 months ago from India

Buddy his family members were on the path of adharma meaning that they had been on the wrong path. They were destined to die sooner or later. To purify the planet it was important that they were killed. They would never listen to anyone and see the error of their ways in this life. God himself commaned Arjuna to do it as it was his duty aa a warrior. Once a person dies in Hinduism it is believed that they reincarnate and soul is imortal so my friend to restore dharma (justice) sometimes it is important to kill the bad guys who cannot see the error of their ways. Arjuna was not mentally ill once Krishna showed Arjuna his true form and asked him to perform his duty Arjuna understood that his fight was against unjust people it does not matters who they really are. When god commands you to do something you do it as your sacred duty to the almighty. Krishna was an avatar of Vishnu who is the preserver in the trinity. Vishnu always takes avatar when there is widespread unjustice on planet earth. He did not killed them for selfish reasons but he killed them because it was important that they died to restore dharma. Krishna could do it himself but he wanted the humanity to learn the lesson and he only supported Arjuna during the war as Krishna controlled the chariot of Arjuna. It is getting long so I should stop now. One more thing is that they would come back and get another chance to be re educated when they reincarnate. It was not possible to educate them in this life leaving Krishna no alternative.


saisarannaga 9 months ago from Chennai in Tamilnadu, India. Author

Wars were fought for retrieval of their land which were usurped by the wicked cousins. Moreover, Draupadi, the queen of Pandava was put into servitude in the dice game. She was treated in the most objectionable manner by the cousins. Draupadi vowed that unless the wicked cousins are killed for their most heinous sins, she wont tie her hair. She was a pious and noble queen. Her words were Truth. The brothers were not for war but the war was thrust on them. In wars, 'killing' is not considered sin. During the war, one should not consider the opposing forces as their relatives or friends. Being warrior community, they had to fight the war as an enjoined duty. For us it may look a grievous crime but it is not so in the rules of a country and righteousness. The war was fought for a just cause and not for any ulterior motive. Thank you for going through the hub and your review!


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Jay C OBrien 9 months ago from Houston, TX USA

Abhimanyu gaur, thank you for your explanation. Please have patience with me for I do not understand.

Is it part of the Hindu religion that the hero, Arjuna, kill on the basis of his religion?

If you heard God/Krishna tell you to harm yourself or another, would you do it?

What is the difference between killing for your religion and terrorism?


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Abhimanyu gaur 9 months ago from India

Hindu word came later and I will try to explain it to you again. Whenever Vishnu takes avatar it is to restore dhrama(justice) to this world. The only religion at that time was hinduism or sanantana dharma. The difference is simple when you kill someone as your sacred duty and when god himself command you then it is not wrong. Terrorism means killing anyone who does not agrees with you. In mahabharat only those who were unjust and needed to die for the restoration of justice were killed. Innocents were not killed in mahabharat. Another thing is that krishna/god will not tell me to harm anyone as it is not my job. I am not a warrior like arjun who understands god. Terrorism is not part of hinduism and all life on earth is sacred. It is forbidden to even eat meat of any animal. Lets be hypothetical and say that god tells me to harm someone then I will do it as my sacred duty and god will protect me as long as I am just. What happens in a court of law, a person who is gulity is punished same is the principle in the court of almighty. Arjuna did not killed non religious people or as a necessary part of his religion but he did it because those people were unjust and they needed to die for the good of the humanity. Arjun did not decided who dies in the war and only god did. Vishnu is preserver and it is his job to restore balance to this planet. You can read about vishnu avatars online. The others are shiva and brahma who are creator and destroyer respectively. Stil if there is any doubt I would be happy to help.


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Jay C OBrien 9 months ago from Houston, TX USA

Thank you for taking the time to explain further. Let me see if I understand based on the questions I asked.

1. Is it part of the Hindu religion that the hero, Arjuna, kill on the basis of his religion?

Yes, Arjuna believed it was his duty to kill people based on the directions of his God, Krishna.

2. If you heard God/Krishna tell you to harm yourself or another, would you do it?

No, because you/I do not have the same duty as Arjuna.

3. What is the difference between killing for your religion and terrorism?

I cannot see a difference here as all religious terrorists kill based on their faith. All terrorists feel justified in their acts.

Now, a little about myself. I am a retired Peace Officer and I spent my career making arrests and writing reports to explain my actions. As a sergeant, I supervised many officers and helped them write reports. After 20 years I have concluded that lethal force is not needed. There was always an alternative. Peace Officers arrest without the intent to harm.

There is NOT a duty to kill, only arrest without harm. Mature from Warrior thinking to Peace Officer thinking.


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Abhimanyu gaur 9 months ago from India

This is an epic buddy I am not killing noone and it was god's plan to kill the kauravs not arjun's. Arjun was justified because he did it on directions of god but terrorists do it because some human tell thems to do it. Krishna was no human he was god. I hope you understand that. Krishna did things that no human could possibly do. I have already maturated and I do not have a duty to kill anyone as I am not a soilder. You are trying to understand something that happend thousands of years ago in present context. It is not possible period. You do not get that arjuna never killed anyone who was innocent or just. God has to do the cleaning sometimes when there is too much imbalance. Right now god is not communicating with me or you or most people so there is no question of killing anyone over god's direction. Terrorists kill innocents and heroes kill only the unjust and only when it is absolutely necessary. If kauravs were not killed and left alive then they would harm this world as long as they live.


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Jay C OBrien 9 months ago from Houston, TX USA

OK, how to you tell a religious terrorist they do not have a divine right to kill for their religion?


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Abhimanyu gaur 9 months ago from India

Because god has not told them to kill anyone and they are not warriors like arjun who got divine support and understood god. They kill so that they can go to heaven (terrorits) arjun killed so that dharma is restored. So according to you arjun should have ran away or tried to talk to the army in front of him. I suggest that first you read more about bhagwad geeta then you will understand otherwise both of us will argue for eternity


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Abhimanyu gaur 9 months ago from India

You do not understand that if arjuna had not killed the kauravs then dharma would not be restored. I cannot explain you the entire vedas, ramayan and mahabhart here.

Terrorists kill inncoents arjuna killed only the culprits

Terroists kill so that they can go to heaven arjuna killed so that dharma is restored

Arjuna was a warrior and when he and his family was banished he prayed for years to get divine strength. He was destinied to dtstroy kauravs. When you will read Mahabhart you will see that they had divine weapons to fight the enemy. They were not blowing up random people. Why do you keep bringing the world religion. Religion has nothing to do with this..I repeat when this war happened there was only one religion on the entire planet. Others came thousands of year later. Judaism, Christainty and Islam are recent religions only 3 thousands or less years old while hindusim is nuch older atleast 7000 years more older than all of them. There was no other religion at that time. Arjuna refused to kill his family memebrs first but then Krishna stopped the kala chakra( time) and showed his true form to arjun and gave him the teachings of geeta. After realising his fault arjun understood that all have come to go but for the betterment of entire humanity he must do his job even if he doesnot wants to. God could have ended the war in seconds but he wanted humans to learn the lesson.


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Abhimanyu gaur 9 months ago from India

I do not know of a terrorist who had divine weapons and god himself supporting him in war. Arjuna was 100 percent justified when he killed the wrong doers and he saved a lot of lives by doing so. An entire army of wrong doers and krisna's own divine army was destroyed in the war. On the pandav side five brothers and some others were left. On the kaurav side only aswathama was left alive. The war in mahabharat was part of the god's plan to restore balance. Arjuna had meditated fir years he had divine weapons and strenght. He was no ordinary mortal like today's terrorist. I told you before you are trying to understand something that happened years ago ib present context. It is not possible period. Hinduism never supports killing in the name of religion and there was no other religion when hinduism came so there is no point in your argument. Krishna was an avatar which means manifestation of god in mortal form. Obviously Krishna too had to leave the mortal body as per the laws made by him only. In present times we are not so spiritual and no Vishnu avatar has taken form so there is no point in killing anyone. Earlier in times of mahabhart god was there and you say that arjuna even after understanding good should have run away or refused to do his duty. Then Pandavs would have lost and kauravs would continue to destroy the earth. It this what you suggest?


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Abhimanyu gaur 9 months ago from India

I have seen your hubpage about arjun and you poll. Not a single person thinks according to your poll that arjun was mentally ill yet you are not convinced.


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Jay C OBrien 9 months ago from Houston, TX USA

Thank you for reading. Please have patience.

By taking the life of his kinsmen, Arjuna became the very person he despised. God, Allah, Krishna NEVER told anyone to HARM themselves or ANOTHER. Raise your understanding of God. Renounce outmoded ideas. Never harm another.

"Violence by man against man is in contradiction with any religion worthy of that name," Pope Francis, January 18, 2016.

I am not Catholic, but I believe in what Pope Francis said. Do you?


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Abhimanyu gaur 9 months ago from India

You will never understand my point as I look at it differnently and you look at differenlty. We may never agree. Krishna told Arjuna not to harm them but to kill them because they it was good for them that they died. Hinduism is based on the cycle of karma and if you do something bad then you have to pay for it. When god commanded arjun he did what he did. If that was not done injustice would reign supreme and no I will disagree with pope because if some people are left alive then they will endanger everyone else and harm them. If they die then they will have a second life to start over. Krishna asked arjuna to kill the kauravs and it is the truth. I am born in India I know what was written in the original geeta. How the cycle of karma operates is beyond the understanding of me and you and how god works is also beyond our understanding. This is kali yuga and it is just how it is in this age. Some understand god in today's world and they know the truth but they can not tell anyone because you have to experience it. So I will stick with my view that Krishna/god was there to do justice and teach the humanity a lesson. Arjuna was his follower and he was asked to do the justice that was needed. I am not advocating killing anyone but at that time it was important that the kauravs died. What should have Arjuna done according to you. Try capturing the kauravs, reasoning with them, running away or something else. Arjuna did not became the person he despised but he made the greatest sacrifice and became a true hero. Please do not teach me god as both you and I are not some gurus who have realised god. If you understand god then you can teach others.


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Abhimanyu gaur 9 months ago from India

Let just agree to disagree


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Jay C OBrien 9 months ago from Houston, TX USA

All major religions have the same reasoning pattern based on their "sacred" books. That is the problem. Look at the precedent it has set. I invite you to rise above what you were taught as a child and learn that one person should not harm another. Do Not be a warrior. Please see hub, "From Warrior to Peace Officer."


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Abhimanyu gaur 9 months ago from India

I am not a warrior and arjuna was one I have already said that numerous times and please answer my questions


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Abhimanyu gaur 9 months ago from India

I will tell you for the third and the last time that you are trying to understand something that happened thousands of years ago in present perspective. It won't work because times have changed now and at that time arjuna was justified in what he did. I suggest you read the entire text or summary of geeta and the teachings so that you can get it.


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Abhimanyu gaur 9 months ago from India

It was necessary and according to you all the terrorists in syria should be spared so that they can continue to kill innocents. Very nice logic.


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Abhimanyu gaur 9 months ago from India

It is not the teaching here to kill others but the teaching is that wrong doers will be punished when the times come and when god delivers his justice.


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Abhimanyu gaur 9 months ago from India

Arjuna and all the pandavs and their army were mere tools used to restore justice as justice has to be restored every now and then. Justice is not a correct word for dharma but it is close


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Jay C OBrien 9 months ago from Houston, TX USA

I seem to have a problem with Hubpages. I have tried to respond, but Hubpages will not let me scroll or respond.

I suggest reading and commenting on the following Hubs. "Near Death Experiences and what they mean," "From Warrior to Peace Officer," and "Comics to make you think." I am sorry to do it this way, but at least I should be able to comment on my own Hubs.

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