Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth

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Doctrine of men.
Doctrine of men.

Doctrine

The Bible tells the followers of Jesus Christ to study God’s Word to be able to rightly divide the word of truth. If one cannot do this, the words of God will become perverted.

Many false prophets try to avoid this verse, or avoid the second half of it.


Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. – 2 Timothy 2:15


If this verse was not present in God’s Word, it would give license to any ministry to interpret the Bible on how they see fit. What has happened in the modern apostate church system today is that they have corrupted the Word of God with their perverting interpretations, which has led to rampant apostasy and corruption.

Correct Biblical interpretation are proven through repetition and confirmation from other parts of Scripture. Repetition confirms the audience to whom God is speaking. Additionally, we must compare and contrast Scripture to weigh and test to render whether teachings are from the doctrine of men, or inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Doctrine succeeds, or crumbles under truth in the above verse. The wrong division of God's Word has manifested in thousands of different church denominations today. This is the result of not rightly dividing the truth The church system has chosen popularity and acceptance of man over rightly dividing the word of truth. Popularity is measured in numbers rather than spiritual discernment (1 Corinthians 2:13).

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I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars – Revelation 2:3


The "church" system has their many "ministries" that claim to do the work of the first century Apostles with claims of healing, power and signs and wonders. They will use terms such as “new wine” and “new covenant,” which are are a result of these claims.

Without rightly dividing the truth, the masses will assume that the “new covenant” pertains to the Body of Christ (ekklesia). Any Bible concordance will reveal that the new covenant pertained to the nation of Israel, not to believers today. What happens is that a false teacher will steal a promise of God that was exclusively for the Israelite people and attempt to apply it as a doctrine for the body of Christ.

If we apply the three points of interpretation above, we can test to see if the doctrine of the “new covenant” is true, or false in its application to the ekklesia today.


The Ekklesia vs. Israel

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah – Jeremiah 31:31

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: - Hebrews 8:8


In the New Testament, the blood of Jesus Christ deals with two things; it is important to make the distinctions between them. First, Jesus Christ deals directly with the agreement between himself and the Israelite people.


Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. – Romans 9:4-5

That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world – Ephesians 2:12


God’s covenant was to the people of Israel, not to those in the age of the ekklesia.


Secondly, the blood of Jesus Christ also dealt with the body of Christ.


For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. – Matthew 26:28

And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many. – Mark 14:24

Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. – Luke 22:20

After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. – 1 Corinthians 11:25

Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. – 2 Corinthians 3:6

Be aware too.
Be aware too.
Modern church sign ministries.
Modern church sign ministries.

By referencing Scripture, it becomes clear the difference between the covenant that God made with Israel, and the new testament of the gospel of Jesus Christ that applies to the ekklesia today.

False prophets and teachers corruptly use the word “covenant” and then deceive the masses to believe that it applies to them. They have not rightly divided the Word of God to find out what has already been fulfilled, or does not apply to the ekklesia at all. They don't understand that the “signs” during the period of the Jews under the Law and the transitional apostolic period does not apply to the ekklesia today.

Today, Jesus Christ deals both with both Jew and Gentile individually. It is so important to understand the audience to whom the Word of God is speaking to.


Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the ekklesia of God - 1 Corinthians 10:32


The above verse gives evidence of three different groups of people. If one does not make the distinctions then Scripture will not be interpreted correctly resulting in false doctrine and heresy.


For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. – Romans 6:8


The "healing" ministries marketed within the "church" system are counterfeit because they teach the manifestation of "signs" that do not apply to the ekklesia. When Jesus Christ was here on the earth, he was dealing the Jewish nation and the great signs and wonders during his ministry on earth was a foreshadowing what will happen again during his reign when he returns.


That thy way may be known upon earth, thy saving health among all nations. – Psalm 67:2

But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts. – Malachi 4:2-3

In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. – Revelation 22:2

Unbelieving Jews
Unbelieving Jews
The Jews stone Stephen.
The Jews stone Stephen.

Signs and Wonders

There was a period of transition in the New Testament when God was dealing with the Jewish people (book of Acts). When Jesus Christ died on the cross, he cried out to the Father, “forgive them; for they know not what they do.” The Father answered Jesus’ prayer by giving the unbelieving Jews as sign.


For the Jews require a sign – 1 Corinthians 1:22

Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not – 1 Corinthians 4:22

And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, And cast him out of the city, and stoned him – Acts 7:56-58


The Jews denied Jesus Christ as their Messiah, and later they stoned Stephen, and the result was God turning to the people who do not require a sign, the Gentiles.

In Acts 10, there were some Jews who came with Peter, but they did not believe that the Gentiles could be saved. When Peter preached, the Gentiles started speaking in tongues; this was a sign from God to convince the Jews that this was God's doing, that they could truly be saved.

The Jews continued to deny their Messiah (Acts) when Paul preached, and the result was God closing the door on dealing with Israel as a nation. The sign gifts ceased because they were meant for the Israel. We are in the age of the ekklesia now, and God is dealing in a different way with the body of Christ.

The signs of God were about dealing with the unbelieving Jews that can be traced all the way back to the book of Exodus. Throughout most of the Bible, signs and wonders were meant for Israel.

Workers of Satan.
Workers of Satan.
False signs.
False signs.

And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken to the voice of the first sign, that they will believe the voice of the latter sign. – Exodus 4:8

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.- 2 Thessalonians 2:8-10


It is important to understand why Paul wrote this verse.


For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom – 1 Corinthians 1:22

Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. – 1 Corinthians 14:22


The above verses are evidence that the signs that God manifested were exclusively for the Jews. God wanted his people to see and believe in Him. In Exodus 4, the use of "believe" and "sign" are read one after the other. Divine healing was conditional upon God’s Law, and that is why in proper context of Scripture the signs, wonders and miracles are associated with the Jews.


Or hath God assayed to go and take him a nation from the midst of another nation, by temptations, by signs, and by wonders, and by war, and by a mighty hand, and by a stretched out arm, and by great terrors, according to all that the LORD your God did for you in Egypt before your eyes? – Deuteronomy 4:34


And the LORD shewed signs and wonders, great and sore, upon Egypt, upon Pharaoh, and upon all his household, before our eyes – Deuteronomy 6:22


The evidence should be clear in both from the Old Testament and the New Testament that a lot of the doctrine applies to those who were under the Law. The Law commanded works for salvation. The modern apostate "church" system teaches the same thing, but Paul taught the opposite that we are saved by faith. The ekklesia are not bound the old Jewish Laws.

Through the Gospels there were signs and wonders from God, which were meant for the unbelieving Jews via the apostles until that period ended. False prophets in the modern "church" system are parading their wares of deception by busily working deception.

Prophecy in the Old Testament was revealed through dreams and visions. There is no need for "new" revelations because the full revelation of God is fully revealed and summed up in Scripture. False prophets are taking passages out of the gospels, or Hebrews, and trying to apply them to the body of Christ today. These people are promoting “another gospel” and “another spirit;” it is a deception from Satan that leads to bondage.


For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, orif ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. - 2 Corinthians 11:4

O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?– Galatians 3:1

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. – 2 Corinthians 11:13-14

False Doctrine

Don’t be fooled by the apostates who say that it is God moving, or that the Holy Spirit moving through them will bring healing. This is an outward expression of the idolatry that is in their hearts. Satan “heals” many of the glossy-eyed masses with counterfeit sign and wonders. The doctrine and practice of these "ministries" of healing, tongues, and signs are counterfeit. Even King Solomon recognized a false gift back in his day.


Who so boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain. – Proverbs 25:14


When speaking in tongues and healing are the main focus of any ministry, it is counterfeit because these signs were meant for the unbelieving Jews.

An important principle to understand is that there were two kingdoms present during the life of Jesus Christ while he was on the earth. In the gospels and epistles there was a mix of both the spiritual kingdom (kingdom of God) with the literal visible kingdom (kingdom of heaven). The literal visible kingdom of heaven accompanied tongues, signs, and healing were meant for the Jewish nation, not the ekklesia.

The false prophets and teachers in the modern "church" system will try to mix both kingdoms together and say that the kingdom of God and the apostolic kingdom of heaven still applies today. Can you see this error? The apostolic gifts were present when Jesus Christ was on the earth, and partly during the time of the early ekklesia and the apostles when God was still dealing with the nation of Israel.

It is a false gospel to teach, preach, and apply doctrine to something that does not even apply to a particular group of people. This is the deception that has deceived so many people throughout the world; they have never sought to seek out and study Biblical truth for themselves, but blindly follow after and gobble up the wares of the heretical “pied pipers” of organized religion. These people have never applied 2 Timothy 2:15, and the results are evident.

In conclusion to this first part of the theme, I hope that you may realize the importance of desiring God’s approval when interpreting Scripture. You can go to your “apostle,” “prophet,” or "pastor" for interpretation and leave it at that, or seek and search Scripture for yourself to see what they are saying is true. Truth is right there for you to find with the guidance of the Holy Spirit in Scripture.

We may not be totally precise and accurate one hundred percent of the time, but God has given us His Spirit, and the genuine brothers and sisters in His Body to admonish and encourage each other along the way.


Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. – 2 Timothy 2:15


Please continue to Part 2 of this article, which will touch more on the "ministries" of healing, tongues, and eternal security. God Bless.

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lifegate 3 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA

It's clear to me. Your thoughts are always organized in such a way that if one follows from beginning to end with an open mind, there can be no refutation. Thanks, PnN.


graceinus 3 years ago from those of the Ekklesia

I would have to give this much thought. I have not rule out the possibility you are completely right. Some aspects of this Hub I do agree with right now. But still if there were more to this Hub or if there would be a follow up to this one then maybe I would have a better understanding. With that said, this does give one much to think about.

Many blessings.


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North Wind 3 years ago from The World (for now)

Hello PlanksandNails,

I always wondered about all of the preachers with so many titles. I have heard of some called Dr., Apostle, Reverend, Prophet etc. and I do not know who decided that they deserved all of these titles. Did they give these titles to themselves? And are these title s supposed to convince one that these preachers are of God and know the things of God? Or are they simply meant to intimidate?

I do believe that one has to search the Scriptures for the truth and that very often the Bible is taken out of context to serve the purpose of the individual teaching it. Most times it is used so as to serve self and that is a very big clue for people out there if they have a concern about Biblical interpretation.

This was a very informative and helpful article and I look forward to reading part 2.


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PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Lifegate,

I believe that we should all have open minds to any evidence that is presented. If we shut out additional evident truths, or points of view, we may be willfully shutting out the opportunity to obtain additional knowledge on a particular subject.

The Word of God is a journey into truth, but if we do not prepare, or bring along the things the right tools, we will easily be led off course by the changing winds of man-made doctrines.


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PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Graceinus,

I appreciate your honesty that you may disagree with some of the things presented here. I don't claim to have all the answers, but my goal was to present the the Scriptural evidence to support that doctrinal errors are the result of not rightly dividing the word of truth. Scripture will either validate doctrine, or debunk it when presented in proper context.

I will make changes to any of my articles when a brother or sister in Christ has presented solid evidence to add to, or change my theology on a certain subject.

My goal is to encourage people to read and study Scripture for themselves so that they might find the truth for themselves. If I have piqued something in you to dig even deeper and question what is written here, I am encouraged.

Thank-you for reading. Part 2 of this article has been published.


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PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

North Wind,

Titles come from man to validate man in the system of man. The things of God are spiritual, which means that whatever is from the system of man will give credence to a diploma, degree, or doctorate of natural origins.

The things that come from God are different, which manifest in having the characteristics of the Holy Spirit. Accolades from man, and the system of man is rooted in idolatry, which is about hierarchy and elevation, and pride.

The kingdom of God is about humility and elevating Jesus Christ, not man. When the doctrines of man and God collide, the results are titles that come from a religious man-made system, which identify those within the "church" system. Titles of distinction are received by natural means, but the things of God are imparted spiritually for His glory, not man's glory.


graceinus 3 years ago from those of the Ekklesia

PlanksandNails-Nothing can separate me from my bible. I make careful study of it each day. I believe where most have have problems when it comes to the understanding of God's word is that most seek interpretation of the bible instead of trying to understand the context in which the 66 books of the bible was written. This is the reason we have so many different doctrines out there. I strongly believe that the Holy spirit will guide those who truly wish to understand God's holy word. I do not trust the so called Churches we see today none of them. What I see today are those behind a pulpit turning God and Jesus Christ into a business to fatten their pockets.

I found my answer 12 years ago when I started reading God's word for myself. It was within these past 12 years that I began to understand Jesus Christ ministry of the Kingdom of God and the greatness of it. And His word really started to open up to me. The things about His Kingdom you never hear about in church. The great things about God's grace, but you never hear about in church. The many wonderful things that is revealed if one just takes the time and read it.

I have well over 10.000 hours of study and I will continue to do so. When ever I hear or read someones opinion or teaching on God's word I NEVER assume they are correct. I will research it myself through His word. The Holy Spirit will guide me. And if God said it, then THAT settles it.

God Bless.


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PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Graceinus,

I agree with what you have said; thank-you for your sharing your thoughts. I appreciate your comments.


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Caleb DRC 3 years ago

Hi PlanksandNails,

Your hubs cut through sophistry like a hot knife through butter, and ALL! your hubs need to be on your profile. Unless I can't count, they are not all there. So . . . 1. Go to your profile, and click "edit profile." 2. Scroll all the way down to "Show only featured hubs on my profile," and click "NO". 3. Go down to "Save changes", and click that. After you do that all your hubs will be on your profile.


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PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Caleb DRC,

I did not realise that my profile was ticked only to featured hubs, or that the different option existed. Thanks for pointing that out. Your comments are always appreciated. God Bless.


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zeke2100 3 years ago

You have lots of good information which is key to making an excellent Hub, but at times it seems that you introduce new information, but do not define or expound upon it. The reader has the question: What is this? but you continue on without sharing more on it.

I was reading here: "The above verse gives evidence of three different classes of people. If one does not understand the distinction, one from the another, Scripture will not be interpreted correctly, and will result in false doctrine and heresy."

Example 1: I think you should state these three classes of people. Put a colon after people and define the three classes.

I think you should try to outline the Hub you are writing, and use Headings for each section. You have great information, but presentation is key. Too much information going in too many directions will confuse.

When talking about God's covenants, I think you should refer to them specifically by name rather than a general God's covenant, since there are many (Edenic, Adamic, Noahic, Abrahamic, Mosaic, Davidic, New Covenant) More info on these here: http://ldolphin.org/Maincov.html


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PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Zeke2100,

I appreciate that you have taken the time to point out the areas in this article that need more refining and improvement. I will look into the issues that you have mentioned and make adjustments. Again, thank-you very much. God Bless.


Rick246 3 years ago

"Mark 16:15-18 (KJV)

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. " ????????


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PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Rick246,

The verses you quoted are specific to the Apostles. The sign gifts have ceased as their purposes have been fulfilled. I'm sure you are not making claims to handling deadly serpents and drinking deadly poisons without harm, are you?


chevyssbowtie 3 years ago

"The literal visible kingdom of heaven that accompanied tongues, signs, and healings were meant for the Jewish nation, not the church."

FALSE - It was for the Church not the Jewish nation. These signs continued on far after the book of Acts, and will continue until Jesus Comes again.

"The apostolic gifts were present when Jesus Christ was on the earth, and partly during the time of the early Church, when God was still dealing with the nation of Israel. God has now “closed the door” for a time on the Jews, the signs have ceased, and won't return until after the church age."

FALSE - Those Apostolic gifts were during the time the Church started unto this very day. And the Church did not exist while Jesus was on earth, the Church was born after Jesus ascended to Heaven.

God did not close the door to the Jews, He only stopped dealing with them as a nation, but they can still be saved today just as the gentiles can be.


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PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Chevysbowtie,

("FALSE - It was for the Church not the Jewish nation. These signs continued on far after the book of Acts, and will continue until Jesus Comes again.")

The sign gifts have ceased. I am assuming you are part of a charismatic modern "church" that promotes this false doctrine. Additionally, there is part 2 to this article, http://hub.me/af2BD that reveals further evidence that the sign gifts fulfilled their purpose.

If you look at the New Testament, you will find that Paul's longest letters come first to the shortest leading to Philemon. This miss-arrangement changed the proper chronology. In the second century there was no precedent for chronology because the Greco-Roman world compiled their literature to decreasing in length (stichometry).

Proper chronology of Paul's letters are:

Galatians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Romans, Colossians, Philemon, Ephesians, Philippians, 1 Timothy, Titus, and 2 Timothy. Galatians to Romans is during the period of Acts. Having a proper chronology would give a better historical and contextual view of the text among other things.

To understand when the sign gifts ceased, we need to read Paul’s letters in the order that he wrote them. When we arrange the letters in the order that they were written, it all becomes clearer.

In the first six letters that Paul wrote, the sign gifts were operating in the churches.

The Lord revealed to Paul as written in 1 Corinthians 13: 9-13 that the sign gifts would cease. The evidence of this is in the later letters of Paul (Ephesians, Colossians, Philemon and Philippians) where there is no longer any mention of tongues and Paul no longer had the gift of healing. We do not see the sign gifts in 1 or 2 Timothy, or Titus. The desirability of the sign gifts is not mentioned as they were no longer in operation.

Timothy, Paul and Trophimus suffered from infirmities that were not healed and could not be healed by them. The sign gift miracles that were performed eight years earlier in the book Acts had now ceased. What Paul could do in Acts 28, he could no longer do in Philippians, and in 1 and 2 Timothy. The pattern of truth is simply found by arranging the Word of God in the right order. The sign gifts were definitely operating in Acts, Galatians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Corinthians, and Romans, but the Lord told Paul in 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 that the sign gifts would cease. The contrast between the earlier letters and later letters is proof of cessation.

The gift of tongues ceased at the end of Acts as there is no evidence after this period. The reason these gifts ceased is that they were incomplete and did not communicate the full knowledge of God.

What is complete and known in full is God’s message of grace for us today. When Paul wrote, “now I know in part,” he used the Greek word gnosis, the partial knowledge of God’s grace. After the period of Acts, he used the Greek word epignosis once he had received the full perfect knowledge (Colossians 1:9-12, 2:1-2).

The Jews sought after signs and God them, even among the Gentiles to provoke them (Romans 11:14). God gave up on the Jews that required a sign for a time, and God turned to the Gentiles by no longer working through the Jews; the sign gifts ceased as a result. We do not need signs to affirm our faith in Jesus Christ, but we have faith in the fullness of the perfect knowledge of His grace that is confirmed in His Word.

The purpose of tongues was to warn unbelieving Jews, confirm the Word of God, and confirm the Apostles as true messengers of God. All three have been fulfilled. Genuine tongues were not vain babblings, but an actual audible language that was used to communicate a known language to different races of people so they could understand the message that God was bringing to them.


chevyssbowtie 3 years ago

The Proper chronology of Paul's letters does not mean the signs have ceased.

And a lack of mention of signs in the epistles does not mean that the signs were no longer in operation nor ceased neither.

1Cor.13 is not saying that signs did cease, Paul is talking about "when that which is perfect is come" who happens to be Jesus, When Jesus comes again then those things would cease, not before.

Not every sickness and disease was or would be healed, and just because Timothy, Trophimus or any for that matter had an infirmity does not mean signs have ceased.

"The contrast between the earlier letters and later letters is proof of cessation"

This is absolutely false, it is not proof of cessation it is mere assumption. And again the lack of mention of any signs does not mean they must have ceased.

When Paul wrote, “now I know in part,” he was meaning the part of knowledge on this side of glory, or the earthly point of view is all he knew of, but when "that which is perfect is come" i.e. Jesus, then we will know the rest of the story, the other part.

"We do not need signs to affirm our faith in Jesus Christ"

We don't need signs to affirm our faith but signs still Follow our faith, i.e. them that believe.

Jesus said "these signs shall follow them that believe", so if according to you signs have ceased then believing saints must have ceased also at that time frame.

Bogus, the same signs will follow saints that believe today, Jesus never said they would cease.

The purpose of tongues was not to warn unbelieving Jews, nor were they used to preach the gospel to people of other languages.

Tongues were automatic when people 1st received the gift of the Holy Ghost, and 2nd the gift of tongues are something that happens when a sincere heart who had already received the Holy Ghost is praying, its called praying in the Spirit, which is self edification, 3rd the gift of tongues is an operation of the Spirit when He wants to give a message publicly to the Church which also the Spirit will give the interpretation of the message to someone.


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PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Chevysbowtie,

("This is absolutely false, it is not proof of cessation it is mere assumption. And again the lack of mention of any signs does not mean they must have ceased.")

Of course it does. The evidence is clear that the Apostles could no longer perform miracles at will.

("1Cor.13 is not saying that signs did cease, Paul is talking about "when that which is perfect is come" who happens to be Jesus, When Jesus comes again then those things would cease, not before."

The New Testament scriptures were the perfect revelation that ended and replaced the Spirit's revelatory gifts, which were all partial (I Corinthians 13:9-10). Every Church then had God's complete revelation (II Timothy 3:16-17; II Peter 1:19). The context demands a comparison of partial and perfect revelation, not the coming of Jesus Christ. Paul used a metaphor of human development to compare the inferior revelation of spiritual gifts to the perfect revelation of the Bible. The Church was then in its infancy, but it would soon pass to a mature stage with greater knowledge. As adults put away childish things, so Christians would put away childish things like tongues (I Corinthians 13:11). By 70 AD, forty years after they began, the Apostles had finished writing the New Testament Scriptures; therefore, the partial gifts of revelation were no longer needed (I Corinthians 13:8-12). While Paul was alive, the Apostles confirmed each other's writings (I Timothy 5:18; II Timothy 3:15-17; II Peter 3:15-16). The need for tongues had ended. The babblings, gibberish, barking, laughing, and cackling today are not close to the Spirit's gift of tongues, which was an actual language capable of translation (Acts 2:1-11; I Corinthians 14:21-22). Giving some vague religious lesson from the babbling of another is not interpretation of tongues. Linguistic experts, or persons knowing both languages would easily recognize true tongues and their interpretation.

(…”the gift of tongues are something that happens when a sincere heart who had already received the Holy Ghost is praying, its called praying in the Spirit, which is self edification..”

Bible tongues were spoken only by some in the early Church. The members were to be content without speaking them, so the obsession today for tongues is clearly wrong (I Corinthians 12:30). For ministers and churches to demand speaking in tongues as evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost today is contrary to the word of God, for only some ever had the real gift, which none have today. Speaking in tongues was not sought after by the spiritual saints. They did not pursue, or emphasize the least gifts. Speaking in tongues was the lowest gift, even below helpers in the Apostolic churches (I Corinthians 12:28). Today's spontaneous, wild use outside of Scriptural limits is wrong. Paul's repeated instructions about the right use of the gift of tongues required it to be a very controllable gift, not a force or power controlling the user.

The gift of the Apostle disappeared during the first century. No man in the last 1900 years could qualify as an Apostle (Acts 1:20-26; I Corinthians 9:1; II Corinthians 12:12). If the most valuable gift had no further purpose after 70 AD, why should the least valuable gift (I Corinthians 12:28)?


chevyssbowtie 3 years ago

1 Cor.13 is not about signs nor tongues, its main focus is on charity.

and 1 Cor. does not at all say that signs have ceased.

1 Cor. is speaking about the importance of charity and how having faith and prophecy and knowledge without charity is meaningless. Paul is also talking about how charity will endure when all else fails, ceases and vanishes away. Paul uses some very important things in comparison to charity when he said "whether there be prophecies they shall fail" but charity never fails, "whether there be tongues they shall cease" but charity never ceases, "whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away", but charity never vanishes away.

The whole point of that verse is to let us know that "Charity never fails"

When Paul said "For we know in part, and we prophesy in part." He means on this side of Heaven, we only know so much, but when that which is perfect is come then, on the other side, there be no need of faith, prophecies and tongues, and that is when those things will cease, but love will continue for eternity. Faith and hope have an end but not love.


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PlanksandNails 2 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Chevysbowtie,

("1 Cor. does not at all say that signs have ceased.")

For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. - 1 Corinthians 13:9-10

The partial , which included the sign gifts during the infancy of the Early Church has already passed away. The mystery of the Gospel has been fully revealed and documented in Scripture. Additionally, upon the finished work of the book of Revelation, God completed His revelation to mankind. Any additional prophecy after the first century can be concluded that it is not of God.

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