Should Women Preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ

Women's Calling As Ezer

Welcome to our new Hub. In this one we will be discussing whether women should preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ or not. This has always been a very controversial subject which needs to be covered to see just where women stand as preachers for Jesus Christ. After all God Created the woman to be a help (ezer)meet to the man.

My sources of information for this article will be from a short article from Christians for Biblical Equality's "Arise Newsletter," and two interesting articles from "Mutuality," the voice of Christians for Biblical Equality. These articles should make it plain to us that women have a rightful place beside men to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ as part of His Priesthood of all believers as Ezers, 1 Peter 2:1-10.

Our first article from "The Arise Newsletter," will be from Nicholas Colby Watson Wolfe who was a writing intern at Christian for Biblical Equality and a student at Bethel University in St. Paul, Minnesota. Nicholas is finishing his undergraduate degree with a major in reconciliation studies and a minor in political science. He is looking at becoming a lawyer and is focusing on social justice, alternate dispute resolution, and international law.

"Plain and Clear" Teaching?

In his article, "Plain and Clear " Teaching?, Nicholas points to the fact that, many churches do not allow woman to preach from behind the pulpit because of the passage such as 1 Timothy 2:11-12. This verse says, "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or assume authority over a man; she must be quiet." (TNIV). People that hold this view often say they rely upon the "plain and clear" teaching of the Bible, yet so many churches are not consistent in their application of the plain and clear interpretation of these verse. in 1 Timothy 2:11-12.

Nicholas makes a point here that if we are to read these verses in 1 Timothy and apply them as a clear command, then women would be prohibited from teaching and leading in many areas of the church.This would be very strange because in many churches we can observe women teaching children's Sunday School or Sabbath school, leading worship, administrating communion, and serving in the missions field. Church services often include hyms written by women like Fanny Crosby. If women suddenly bcame silent and quiet, what woud happen to church ministries? (Churches recognize that women can capably serve, and are biblically permitted to serve in these areas). I wonder what would happen if all the women left their churches? Choas and confusion because without women there would be no church. For the Church is a woman, Matthew 25:1, women are virgins and so is the church as one big group, Ephesians 5:25-32.

Nicholas goes unto say, that further inconsistencies arise as we recognize the positive impact of women teaching in the lives of men and women throughout history. Men's knowledge and faith are, and have been, greatly influenced by the teaching of women. Women who teach children's Sunday school, (and even adult Sunday school,) provide a biblical foundation of faith for children (and adults) to grow and mature in their belief. Nicholas says he knows many people that gratefully acknowledge the importance of learning the word as a child from women. Moreover, it is likely that male pastors acquired important aspects of Christianity, and benefitied significantly, from the wisdom of female professors in their college and seminary education, Proverbs 8:1-36.

It is also common but though inconsistent to a plain reading of Scripture, to observe churches allowing women to teach, just not fron behind the pulpit. Delivering a sermon from behind the pulpit alone does not encompass Biblical authority (as T.Scott Womble explains in his recent Arise article, "An Unsuspecting Preacher"). Biblically, authority and teachings certainly include ministries that women have successfully led throughout history, like evangelism on the mission field-- where an expected activity is teaching and preaching the gospel. To be consistent in interpreting 1 Timothy 2:11-12 as a clear command, a church should never send women to evangelize as missionaries because it would violate the plain teaching of this passage. But in many cases women are permitted to teach, as long as they teach from at least one foot to the left or right of the podium. However, standing behind a podium is not a Biblical definition of authority.

If we insist upon the clear and plain teaching of 1 Timothy 2:11-12, then what about the rest of the chapter? Why do we not also read the verses just before and after this passage in the same literal way? 1Timothy 2:9 reads, " I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyle or gold or pearls or expensive clothes' (TNIV). Yet ministers permit women to wear their wedding rings in church. Reading on, we are told that a deacon must be faithful to his wife (3:2), yet we do not insist that deacons must be married. We understand by the context of these verses that 2:9 is a message on the importance of modesty, and 3:2 focuses on the character of an overseer or deacon (see Arise Article by Mimi Haddad, "Qualities of a Leader"). Why not apply this hermeneutical method to 1 Timothy 2:11-12.

It is inconsistent for churchs to allow women to teach, preach, and exercise authority in so many areas except from behind the pulpit. Futhermore, it is inconsistent to call this a "clear" teaching, but fail to interpret the entire chapter in the same way -- at face value. Women are proven to be gifted teachers from Sunday school to seminary institutions, throughout history and in Scripture itself. Noting the inconsistencies in this argument, the view that if 1 Timothy 2:11-12 is a clear command it should be rejected. Realizing that these inconsistencies exist, why should churches not accept women teachers and include them as ordained preachers behind the pulpit.

Nicholas says that he is very grateful for his time spent interning at CBE. Engaging in the theology of Biblical equality had an incredible effect on him. Biblical equality can be just as necessary for the spiritual vitality of men as it is for women.

Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are asking you to join with CBE and make your contribution to the work of Jesus Christ along with Nicholas Colby Watson Wolfe.

God Made Woman As Ezer: In the beginning of th creation of humans God created a woman to be a help meet for man, Genesis 2: 18. The word for helper in the Hebrew is "ezer". To find out more about the ezer for man I will be presenting an article from the Mutuality Magazine, the Spring Edition, 2010, which is the printed voice of Christians for Biblical Equality. This article is from Mimi Haddad's President's Message in her Mutuality article for Christians for Biblical Equality, titled, Women's Calling as Ezer.

Mimi writes: "In Half the Sky," Pulitzer Prize-winning authors Kristoff and WuDuun document the gobal exploitation of women - an abuse to which we have become indifferent. According to WuDuun and Kristoff, the wholesale degradation of women is not often considered newsworthy. They write: When a prominent dissident was arrested in China, we would write a front page article; when 100,000 girls were routinely kidnapped and trafficked into brothels, we didn't even consider it news (Kristoff and WuDuun, xiv).

When more than 100 million females vanished in 1990, Noble Prize researcher Amartya SenSen noticd a correlation between a culture's devaluation of females with steep drops in their numbers. By contrast, in those communities where gender equality is valued, the ratio of women to men resembles gender ratios in the United States. The message is clear. When culture values women and men equally, these very attitudes stem the abuse of women. What is more, when dollars are invested in women's health,education, and businesses, we not only raise women's standard of living, but that of their families and communities. Educating women reaps clear social benefits - these women elevate the health, economic, and educational standards within their social networks. Perhaps you are like me when you read this research. You cannot help but remember God's purpose in creating woman as a strong helper.

According to Genesis, the only cloud hanging over Eden was man without woman: "It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper as his partner" (Gen. 2:18, NRSV).What is the good or strong woman to offer? According to R. David Freedman, the Hebrew word used to discribe woman's help (ezer) arises from two Hebrew roots that mean "to rescue , to save." and "to be strong" ( Archeaology Review (9[1983]:56-58). Ezer is found twenty-one times in the Old Testament. Of these references, fourteen are used for God and four for military rescue. Psalm 121:1-2, is an example of ezer used for God's rescue of Israel: "I lift up my eyes to the mountains--- where does my help come from? My help comes from the Lord, the maker of heaven and earth."

The quality of Eve's help is never that of an inferior or subordinate. Eve by definition was created to lend a vital form of power. When you remember "woman's creational DNA" as ezer - as a strong help, it explains two perplexing issues. First, it shows how women, as a whole, never perform according to the cultural devaluation made of them. Throughout history and within Scripture, we observe women's succcessful leadership, which, I tell my students, is a fact not readily incorporated into curricula used in churches, colleges, or seminaries. Second, if ezer is woman's DNA," this also explains why women are so devastated and demoralized when churches fail to recognize their God-intended purposes. Treating females as inferior and subordinate violates an essential component of their calling as ezer: And, it explains why the more we recognize women as a powerful help, the more they in turn extend strong help to others.

When churches and missions organizations recognized women's capacity as ezer on mission fields and ministries throughout the 1800s, women's empowerment and release led to quantum growth in Christian faith around the globe. Moreover, as these female missionaries began serving, they also elevated the education, commerce, and health in the very communities where they served.

What if with every female who comes to faith, with every girl who enrolls in Vacation Bible School, with every book we write on dating, and with every youth currriculum we publish, we present women not in terms of their ability to captivate by their physical appearance, or their passivity so as not to offend men, but by their calling as ezer - help likened to God's rescue.

I remember growing up in a Jewish neighborhood. If I wanted to play with my neighbors friends on Saturdays, I had to join them in Saturday school. It was there that I encountered the strong women of Scripture: Deborah, Miriam, Jael, Esther, Rahab, and Ruth. My Jewish teachers were careful to show that every girl in the room had the capacity for enormous leadership as an ezer, as God's envoy in this world. It was one of the most empowering experiences I had as a child. perhaps it was in Saturday school that I discovered my dignity and worth as a female, created like Eve, to bring a special version of rescue to our world. Our task as ezer is not to wait for permission from men to serve. My vocation comes from God, who from the beginning created me as a powerful agent of rescue.

As evangelicals who hold a high view of Scripture, should we not also caste similar vision for our daughters today? Rather than suggesting that their leadership repels males, could we not celebrate our daughters as ezers, as powerful help to our communities, just as organizations and researchers are now discovering? Rather than limiting their access to positions of leadership or requiring their passivity in relationships with males, let's equip our daughters with the truth about their creational DNA - to provide strong rescue. As my niece used to sing in her Christian school:

I am promise, I am possbility

I am promise with a capital P

I am great big bundle of potentiality

I am a promise to be, anything God wants me to be.

This to me is the teaching of Scripture.

Now we can see from Mimi's article about the great need for women as men's help meet or Ezer. Without them working in the ministry of Jesus Christ equally, that ministry would not be complete and will fail. God made us to need each other with each genders specfic talents. This goes very well with Nicholas Wolfe's article that encourages and supports the need for both genders working together in Christ's servant leadership. Gender is no problem with God who looks at the heart of each individual person's need to serve him, Galatins 3:28-29.

We have one more short article for you to read and glean from. This article is from a former CBE intern in 2008 and who now works as a membership and development associate at CBE. Her name is Bethany Nelson. Bethany graduated from Bethel University in St. Paul, Minnesota with a degree in English literature and writing, and is currently applying to doctoral programs in literature and gender studies.

Bethany's article will be very helpful to all of you new egalitarians looking for a good model of an egalitarian relationship for a future marriage. This is also helpful for all of us that are already married but have been called to work in Christ's egalitarian work to see where we can inprove our marriage relationships for the betterment of our spiritual growth and development of our intellect and service to Christ Jesus. The title of Bethany's article is, "An Intellectual and Spiritual Communion." This article can be found also in the Spring 2010 Edition of Mutuality, Volume 17, Issue 1.

In this article we can find a very beautiful model of an egalitarian relationship in the midst of a very non-egalitarian culture. This is the love story of Angelina Emily Grimke (1805-1879) and Theodore Dwight Weld (1803-1895) an is very inspiring. Angelina was a famous pioneer for women's rights and the abolition of slavery. Angelina had some initial misgivings about relationships and marriage. She wondered if it would be possible to find a partner who would view her as a spiriitual and moral equal, rather than just the fulfillment of a cultural perpetuated stereotype of womanhood. A century and a half later, her fears may still be resonate with many egalitarian singles. After growing up up in a culture that told her that she needed to be a "princss" in order to find her "warrior," we can know her initial hesitation at finding a suitable mate! However, Angelina overcame her fears of falling victim to social restrictions placed on women and, with Theodore, went on to build a new kind of relationship that honored both individuals as unique equals.

As Angelina and her sister Sarah toured and lectured extensively as abolionists at a time when public activism was still new for women. Here they faced much criticism because of their gender, but, holding a high view of Scripture and a deep personal faith in Christ Jesus, both Sarah and Angelina defended their right as women to speak and advocate. They boldly insisted that forced gender roles in marriage created unhealthy personal relationships, and that marriage left women as powerless and objectified as did the denial of political voice.

Angelina had faith that the oppressive state of marriage that she saw around her could be redeemed through changing the viewpoint of each spouse. In her Letters to Catherine Beecher, she asserted that "when human beings are regarded as moral beings, sex, instead of being enthroned upon the summit, administering upon rights and responsibilities, sinks into insignificance and nothingness." Now when Angelina met Theodore Weld, a fellow abolitionist their relationship was built on this very concept - not traditional ideas of male-female courtship rules, but on an intellectual and spiritual communion. They were attracted to each other physically, but they were even more attracted to each other's spiritual and moral priorities. Along with regarding their spirituality as their foundation this allowed their courtship to establish a strong egalitarian base from the beginning. and by examining their relationship, we can answer the question: what are some components in a succssful egalitarian relationship?

One concept is Having a foundation of mutual respect. Many Christian relationship books today stress that in order for a reationship to flourish, men need respect and a women needs love. In the Weld and Grimke's case, however, their relationship developd through enormous respect they had for each other. Theodore Weld shared the activist spirit of the Grimke sisters, and they met for the first time at an American Anti-Slavery Society (AASS) convention. The Grimke sisters were the only females in attendance, and Weld was leading the training for the workers. When the Grimke sisters began their speaking tour a year later, Weld was their main contact to the AASS, and they forged a great friendship with him as they exchanged letters. As Theodore and Angelina's relationship progressed the foundation of mutual respect and camaraderie continued to grow.

Another second concept grew from their unique relationship, Loving the Lord "better" than each other. Grimke and Weld consistently used spiritual language in their love letters to descibe their courtship, reminding one another that God was the divine overseer of their relationship. When Weld first confessed his love to Angelina, he did so believing that it was his sacred duty. In his letter, he stated , "I have taken this step at His bidding whose I am, and whom I serve." Weld sought to begin a relationship with Grimke not out of his own selfish desire for her or out of a sense of infatuation, but because he felt God calling him to love her. Even so, Weld recognized the dangerous nature of human love. Weld and Grimke were both aware that many individuals fall into the trap of finding one's entire identity in another human being, instead of finding it in God. For this reason they strove to keep God first in their relationship. After declaring his affections in his first love letter to Grimke, Weld was sure to point out his devotion to God above all else, stating "I do love the Lord, better than I love you. And it is because I love him better that I love you as you do."

A third cocept; They viewed one another as spiritual, eternal beings. From the very start of their relationship, Weld emphasized that he viewed Grimke not "as a brother spirit or a sister spirit" but simply as a kindred spirit. Grimke echoed this idea more clearly when she stated "Yes, true love does not, cannnot originate in differences of sex, and this idea is a disturbing force which the mind instinctively repels, for it is the seeking of the spirit after spiritual communion, the filling up of itself in love, the union of heart and mind and soul. This is marriage." Weld and Grimke's relationship focused on what they had in common rather than on their gender differences; what took preeminence was the intellectual and spiritual fellowship between two equals that made a healthy marriage possible. Grimke believed that for two individuals to truly become one, as God intended, such a fellowship was necessary.

A fouth concept is; Basing your relationship on your calling in Christ - Grimke and Weld approached their relationship the same way they approached other issues important to them - they asserted that Christian love and practice should result in equality and justice for everyone. Thus, building an egalitarian relationship was as important to them as their fight for suffrage or their abolitionist work. They sought to revolutionize marriage as it currently stood in their culture: a corrupted social institution. Weld proposed that the marriages he witnessed around him could be listed among "the most horrible perversions of all", and he shared with Grimke the thought that God could have called them into such a relationship precisely to redeem marriage from these perversions, at least on a personal level. They believed that their relationship could function as a fulfillment of their Christian call to love and as another way of enacting justice in the world. In this way, they were brought together by a common purpose - a sense that they were called to be part of a larger, divine plan.

And a fifth concept: Realizing that each of you fufills needs in the other. Both Weld and Grimke were puzzled by their love, wondering how another individual could suddenly form "a constituent half of my own being some how mysterously surrendered from me." It was very disconcerting to Grimke because of her strict ascetic life. She feared that in finding such a love she might fall into the sin of idolatry- of lovng an individual more than God. Weld struggled with this as well, but asserted that this was because of their differences that they fulfilled in each other - that "God had created them so in order that marriage would be a holy sacrement where they could minister to one another." These differences were not necessarily male and female, although Weld asserted that marriage offered an answer to why friendships with those of our own sex cannot fill the void in human hearts." Grimke and Weld recognized that as male and female, together as equals, without restrictions or roles, they could truly become one as was intended from the beginning, each providing something that might be lacking in the other.

At their wedding, Grimke and Weld read personal vows to one another, in lieu of a minister officiating. In his vows, according to the reports of Sarah Grimke, Weld "abjured authority, all government, save the influence of which love would give to them over each other as moral and immortal beings." What an inspiring example of mutuality in action!

I hope this little trunity of articles leads you to see that woman are specially made as ezers to help men to reach their highest potential in service to the work of God Almighty and Jesus Christ. The examples given here of the courtship of Angelina Grimke by Theodore Weld are certainly a awesome work made in heaven. God's egalitarian way is what Jesus Christ brought with Him nearly two thousand years ago. Yes, women are still needed to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ today, Acts 2:17-18.

Though this world's governments and churches seem to have followed on a different path of destruction, Christ will soon return and put things back in there right persperctive of males and females restored to equality, mutuality and harmony forever. The tradgedy of Adam's failure to support his wife, as an ezer to her, has caused centuries of havoc in our human relationships. Satan's continual attack on our human genders is to keep us separated from a perfect union in our marriages but will soon be solved. Jesus Christ promised nearly six thousand years ago to restore the oneness and equality once set by God. If only Adam had rescued his wife from Satan' attack there would have been no need for Christ to come and restore what was lost in that beautiful relationship set in Genesis 1:26-31 and Genesis 2:20-25. But both sinned, Eve was decieved and the Adam sinned with his eyes wide open. This deception has continued as men and women struggled with sin to find a way to bring peaceful answers to their relationships. Men need women and women need men and both need Christ to overcome our fleshy ways and Satan the Devil, Ephesias 5:21, Ecclesiastes 4:11-12, Romans 7:14-25; 8:5-10, Revelation 12:9.

All attemps for peace have failed by human means but thankfully Jesus Christ sacrificed himself for us, so that we can receive God's amazing grace to forgive our feable ways and start a new life in Christ, Genesis 3:15, Matthew 28:18-20. He is the way and the truth to bring back our gender relationships to be a godly blessing to us, John 10:10; John 14:6. Now with the Holy Spirit in us we can over come all our fleshy pulls and Satan's deceptions and rein with God Almighty, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit forever in a world without and end, Romans 8:1-4,9-14; 2 Corinthians 6:16-18; Ephesians 3:11-21.


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eovery 5 years ago from MIddle of the Boondocks of Iowa

I believe, as we do in my church that women and men are equal. However, men are not as nurturing as women are, so to help them, God has yoked them with his priesthood and the responsibility to care for the church. Any women would not want to deprive her husband the responsibility to and the opportunity grow, and therefore would not want to take the priesthood away from him.

As women start doing caring for the church and taking the responsibility, we see more men staying at home and not doing the things they need/should do.

As for preaching and teaching, there is nothing wrong with this, but the men has been given the responsibility to care and tend to the work of the church, with the women's help. And they should share in doing it. Eve was called a help-meet. Adam and Eve worked together and shared the responsibilty. Same as Adam could not have children, Adam was given the responsibilty to care a provide. Women to nourish, nurture and care for the children.

I hope this helps.

Keep on hubbing!


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lionswhelp 5 years ago Author

eovery,

Both need each other in order to serve Christ. The responsibility of preaching the Gospel is given to both, Acts 1:7-8; 2:17-18. Thanks for writing.


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onceuponatime66 5 years ago from USA IL

I loved to learn from you but I am thinking men should teach men and women in woman in group bible studies.


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lionswhelp 5 years ago Author

Consider this a group Bible Study. If you reall would like to learn about Biblical Equality, then go to Christians for Biblical Equality and sign up. Here you will learn faster and can start your own chapter as soon as you would like to start teaching men and women. Go to: www.cbeinternational.org


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drpastorcarlotta 5 years ago from BREAKOUT MINISTRIES, INC. KC

GREAT HUB!!! Be blessed!


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Psalmist4M 5 years ago from the Shelter of His Wings

Yes, whether in a small group , a church or one-on-one, everyone has been given the charge to spread the gospel. The fact the women are told in Titus 2 to teach one another supports the fact that God did not limit the instruments He would use. Consider women like Deborah and other women teachers and prophets that the Holy Spirit spoke through. It is mankind who is so easily distracted so that the message itself is lost and the devil succeeds in his ploy.


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lionswhelp 5 years ago Author

Yes now is the time for women to come the aid of God's work. For to long men's institutionalized Churches have ignored the Holy Spirit's call to Christ work by inserting doctrines of men. Equality is God's way and Christ's egaltarian work needs to give a great big witness. There is no other way.


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jgm379 4 years ago from GA

A woman should not preach. Man is the head of the house and the church. Women are meant to encourage, not preach. Jesus did not call a woman to be a prophet. If we were meant to be preachers, then there would be examples of this in the bible. We are to help our husbands, but we will always remain the weaker vessel. Stop finding ways to twist the word of God for power. God is all power, next man, and then women. We are to teach our daughters the humble, meek, and modest way. We are not to teach them how to over power man and prove that we are equally as strong as they are.


lionwhelp 4 years ago

Sorry jmg379, to see that you are still stuck in the old traditional ways of men. Lie many men and women yu do not now very much about God's work. if you would read the Bible more you will see that God had many women leaders in his work. Let's see there was Eve, Sarah, Debrorah, Esther, Huldah (just a few of many). In NT Jesus called many women to His egalitarian work. How about Mary Magdealene the first women apostle appionted by Jesus Himself. Then there was that other women apostle Junia Romans 16:7, Prisca, Phoebe, Lydia. On and on it goes. The apostle Paul had many women as co- workers in Christ.and the many House churches in that day were run by women.

Yes, in spite of all this there are still women like you that think man are the head of the house. Can you show me that verse that says that? Or did you minister say it is that way.

We are to submit to one another Ephesians 5:21. Jesus did to his Church in sacrificial love for his Bride. Of course he also shares this servant leadership with the Holy Spirit, who dwells in the Bride or Church. Jesus is not the head of the Holy Spirit in which women are made in the image of..

Don't worry if you stil a stuck in such a way. If you would like to know more, try our link to CBE and find out just how much men have lied to you. Try J. Lee Grady's books "Ten Lies the Church Tells Women, and 25 Tough Question About Women and the Church.

God didn't make women inferior to men but as their helpers in the same way that God is men's helpers. Just the same God doesn't put man above women ; check Galatians 3:28-29. If you are of the seed of Abraham in Christ Jesus we are one unit to work in God's egalitarian work, see, Acts 2:17-18. Thank God for the many women that taught their sons the truths about Jesus Way, along with respect for women. Open you eyes and you will see that god wants men and women to share their lives in equality, harmony and mutuality. become a winner in Christ Jesus. If you stick with the teachings of men you will be a loser. No, I don't have to find ways to twist what Jesus wants women and men to be, I just follow Jesus. If you do this He will make you free, John 14:6.


OneWhoReallyLoveYou 4 years ago

Dear woman,women are allowed by God all forms of christian ministry except teaching or having authority over adult men according to scriptures.Apostle Paul was ordained by Jesus Christ.It is Jesus who denied you women this "forbidden fruit".Before understanding why this restriction,you must understand what is teachIing with authority a is.It's a one way communication as a pastor preac in the church.It's not a 2 way or more group discussion as we have now in here in Hub pages.


OneWhoReallyLoveYou 4 years ago

-continuation-the reason for this restriction is not to cause confusion of gender roles and sexual immorality in the society.Women can preach the gospel to women unbelievers,women can teach other women and children in churches.They can give their testimonies ,do music and every other ministry except this forbidden fruit of teaching and having authority over adult men.While doing these ministries women should wear modest clothing and cover their heads according to God's word.God bless you.


graceinus 4 years ago

lionwhelp. you are so far out in left field it's not even funny.

you need help.


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lionswhelp 4 years ago Author

Open your eyes and read the Bible and you will see a great work that will be done by women as preachers and teachers., Acts 2:17-18, 1 Corinthians 11:5, Romans 16:7. You all seem so blind and dim on this subject. Check out my reference to Christians for Biblical Equality before you try to misjudge women and me.

I see that you are all very traditional on patriarchy. You are fight ing against Jesus Christ,. He died for them too. What a bunch of hypocrites you all are. Get a new life in Jesus Christ and come out of your worldly blindness. Repent and believe the Gospel and you also will be saved. jesus loves equality in His Egalitarian Church


graceinus 4 years ago

First of all lionwhelp, I never said or implied that woman should not be Ministers or Pasters or Preachers and Teachers. As a matter of fact I know of some outstanding woman Pasters and Teachers. What concerns me is your doctrine over all. And I would have the SAME exact concern if you were a male teaching the SAME exact doctrine OVER ALL.

If you are a woman, then I have no problem with you as a Paster, Minister, Teacher or what ever you want to call your self. And I hope you continue your work in this area.

Again, the different SUBJECTS you teach are in err. That's what I have a problem with, I have concerns with your doctrine, not you peronally. When I said your way out in left field I 'm talking about doctrine. Not you as a woman Minister or what ever.

You have a number of HUB's or different subjects in the HUB's that are totally wrong doctrine, and one of the subject is the Sabbath. Apparently you don't separate the Old and New Covenants. You over lap the two. Again, on that subject your wrong, I say your way out in left field on that one too, just like you are on this one.

Before to TEACH you should know the subect better than those WHOM your going to teach. If not, they well catch your errors.

What I'm saying boils down this, I hope you do continue to Minister or Teach, but KNOW that subject matter first.

I would like to see a HUB from you on Grace through faith. As a matter of fact I would settle for the Grace part first. And just so that you know, the Book of Romans is pretty clear, than most, about God's GRACE.

If you understood God's Grace on ALL of us, then you would UNDERSTAND why I have a problem with about 70% or so of YOUR DOCTRINE, not YOU.

Jesus Christ 's ministery was about the Kingdom of God, but what many people fail to see( because most CHRISTIANS ARE NOT SPIRIT MINDED) is that in ALL OF HIS (Christ) ACTIONS during His ministery He deminstrated GRACE. But you'll never hear or see Pasters, Teachers, Ministers or Preachers mention THAT at the pulpit or in a HUB.

Many of the parables that Jesus Christ used relating to the Kingdom of God, also revealed GRACE and many so called Christians don't or haven't even noticed it, because they don't UNDERSTAND it. And believe it or not lionwhelp, GRACE played a MAJOR role in His ministery.

Believe it or not lionwhelp, I'm trying to help you.

One last thing, you keep misusing the word Gospel.

The meaning of the word Gospel means GOOD NEWS.

And there are only TWO Gospels in the bible. One is the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. The second is the Gospel of Grace. Research it like I did lionwhelp. I'm tired of so called CHRISTIANS misuseing this word.

Outside of the Bible the word Gospel has only been used in two manuscript dating before 970 A.D.


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lionswhelp 4 years ago Author

gracinus,

God's Word is controversial for sure. You can have doubts about what I teach. However your doubting will get you at odds with Jesus Christ. He's the one that gave His life for us all even women who are part of His priesthood of all believers, 1 Peter 2:4-10. He's still the same Lord of the Sabbath - Yesterday , today and forever, Hebrews 13:8, Malachi 3:6. Do you love Jesus? Then keep his Sabbath, John 14:15.

If you think Sunday is now God's Day of the Bible than you are blind and naked. Even the Catholic Church will will tell you that Sunday is not the Sabbath of the The Bible. They will even give you a $1000.00 if you can find Sunday authorization for Christians.. They are the ones that changed to that day Sunday in 321 A.D.. Are you a Catholic, than that's your day to keep. But if you aren't then you should stop playing a mine games with yourself.

God's Sabbath is forever, Isaiah 66:23, along with His Holy Days, Leviticus 23:1-21,41. So keep studying to prove these things to draw close to God, 2 Timothy 2:15. All Scripture is given for reproof,correction, and for instruction in righteouness, 2 Timothy 3:16.

So continue to prove all things and hold unto the good things of God, 1 Thessalonians 5:14-24. Don't believe me, believe Jesus the Word of God. Yes, it is through God's grace that we are saved , Ephesians 2:5-10. make sure that your foundation is in Christ, 1 Corinthians 3:10-15. Follow Him, John 14:6,15.

If you are a Gentile you are being grafted into Israel through the "Seed" of Abraham, Galatians 3:29. Israelites are still reguired to keep God's Spiritual Laws of love, John 13:34-35, Romans 8:1-4. Are you in the Spirit? Than follow Jesus. Are you listening to Jesus, John 8:47. If not than get a better life in Jesus John 10:10,14-18.


graceinus 4 years ago

Lionwhelp, have you ever researched the word Sabbath?

Most people believe that Sabbath mean Rest which it does mean that.

But It also has a secocd meaning in the Bible which VERY FEW people are aware. The word Sabbath also means: to colonize.

If you don't believe me look it up in your STRONG'S Concordance if you have one.

So when you mention Sabbath in some of your teaching (sometimes) you are taking the word Sabbath ( and the verse it is in) out of context. And for that reason I have a problem with your doctrine. That is one of the reason why I say, before YOU TEACH anything to know the subject matter and want your talking about.

I will not spell it all out for you lionwhelp, but you do need to study it for your self and understand the Sabbath in the Bible is not always talking about rest or resting, sometimes it's refering COLONIZING or TO COLONIZE.

I will continue to pray that some day you'll understand


graceinus 4 years ago

Refering to my comment above.

That is why Jesus said in the Book of Mark 2: 27-28 (NKJV):

27) And He said to them; "The Sabbath was made for man, not Man for the Sabbath. 28) Therefore the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.

He was talking about: Man colonizing earth when He (as God's Word) created it.

He was talking about man colonzing earth


lionswhelp 4 years ago

You have a very strange doctrine because God said we are to rest from our physical labor on this Day and have communion with Him. Truly God made the SABBATH FOR MAN FOR THIS PURPOSE, Genesis 2:1-3, Hebrews 4:19,14-16. Jesus is touched by your unbelief which pictures the Millenium rest along with a time in the future, Revelation 21, when we will no longer be humans. Your doctrine is typical of human reasoning, Matthew 15:7-9.

The Doctrine given by the Holy Spirit in Romans 8:1-4, is the reason why you are having trouble understanding the doctrine I teach. You are much like the people who are having trouble understanding the apostle Paul's teachings, 2 Peter 3:15-16.

Keep studying and asking for a better understanding as the Lord of the Sabbath, Jesus Christ exhorts you to do, Matthew 6:33;7:7-8, 22-24.

I will keep praying for you that God will give you more discernment on these things that are very important to God, Exodus 20:8-11; John 13:34. The 7th Day Sabbath teaches us to love God.

Sunday is a day that Nimrod labelled as the day of the Serpent on the first day of the week which pictures Satan taking human kind captive all these centuries. The unrepentant get burned up, 2 Peter 3:3-13.

Don't worry Jesus will return soon and restore Sabbath keeping for all humans so that they may have a special day to rest from their physical labors and grow close to God on His Day, Isaiah 66:23 & Isaiah 56: 1-6 - (The 7th Day Sabbath is a special covenant Day for us to learn from God. God will gather the outcast of Israel and the Gentiles.), Romans 11:25-26. Have a good Sabbath this week!


lionswhelp 4 years ago

Oh before I forget. I've heard people mouth that scripture many times about men being the head of the house. Can you show me where that scripture is? On the other hand 1 Timothy 5:14- Says woman are to rule the house. Paul said : I will therefore that younger women marry, bear children, "guide the house", give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.

Also scripture says women can have authority over men. See 1 Corinthians 7:3-5 Let the husband render unto his wife due benevolence and like wise also the wife unto the husband. The wife hath not power over her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath no power of his own body but the wife. Defraud ye not the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give your selves to fasting and prayer, and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

Paul exhorts us to Prove all things and whole fast to the good, 1 Thessalonians 5:21. Submit one to another in fear of God and Christ, Ephesians 5:21.


graceinus 4 years ago

To all who read this comment it should be made very clear that lionwhelp is knowing or unknowing misleading people regarding the Sabbath (keeping) and how it applies today.

Lionwhelp will argue that even Jesus kept the Sabbath Law as it in mention in the New Testament. This part is true, however what she fails to mention is that Jesus never lived ( as a human) under the New Covenant. His death on the cross took away ALL our sins, and in exchange he gave us his grace.

Matthew 26:28 (KJV) states: For this is my blood of the New Testament (covenant) whish is shed for the remission of sins.

This makes it clear the Jesus had to follow the Old Covenant Law of the Sabbath. Because the New Testament LAWS did not yet apply.

There is NOTHING in the New Testament (Covenant) which states we must follow the Sabbath Law.

Lionwhelp will also piont out that many Apostles taught on the Sabbath days, this is true. This is due to the fact that in those days most Jews still kept the Sabbath which was the times they gathered at their synagogue to worship. This allowed the Apostles to teach about the Kingdom of God to a large group a Jews.

2000 years ago the word for Saterday used by the Jews was CALLED Sabbath. Which was used by the Jewish people since the 10 Commendments was given to the Nation of Isreal on Mt Sini.

To this day the Jewish people still use the word Sabbath for Saterday. And that is because they don't see Jesus Christ as their Savior, because they don't believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God. And they do not believe that the New Testament (Covenant) has been in FULL EFFECT since Christ death on the cross.

Yes the Apostles used the word Sabbath and taught on the Sabbath, and that is because there was no other word for Saterday in that time period.

The Apostles understood that they could worship God seven days week if they they wanted to ( and most of them did just like Jesus did), not just on Saterday (Sabbath). Jesus Christ kept the 10 Commandment and many more of the commandments due to the fact that he was under the OLD COVENANT not the New Covenant. This is why He mentions some of the OLD COVENANT laws because HE WAS LIVING IN OLD COVENANT TIMES

What I find to be a problem with lionwhelp's teaching is no or very little teaching of Grace through faith. This is the Gospel of the New Testament (Covenant) The Gospel of the Kingdom of God and the Gospel of God's Grace to ALL mankind, Not just to the select few.

In this HUB Lionwhelp makes an issue about should woman be preachers. As far as I concern, WHOEVER has the true Gospel of the Kingdom of God and of His grace should teach about it. I don't care about petty issues like, Should woman be preachers.

One other point I want to make very clear.

The New Testament which mean (New Covenant) did not begain at the time of Jesus birth. The New Testament begain upon HIS DEATH on the cross. To make my point, if one were to remove the words Old Testament and New Testament that seperates the two parts of the Bible, then you would see that Jesus lived DURING the Old Covenant LAW.

Many people seem to think that the New Testament Book begins on Jesus birth and therefore through his life time worship on the Sabbath. Well just so that you all know Jesus ONLY lived UNDER THE OLD COVENANT, but ALSO revealed to us LAWS that would be established in the NEW COVENANT such as GRACE. For those who don't know it, Grace IS a LAW in the NEW COVENANT: With out Grace none of us will be in the Kingdom of God. And it's by the Grace through Faith of Jesus Christ that any of us will make it to God's Kingdom.

Don't let Lionwhelp mislead you. Study the word of God for your selves.


graceinus 4 years ago

lionwhelp, maybe this will help you to understand why it matters not to me as to who teaches the Gospel, a man or woman.

Read Genesis 5: 1-2 (KJV) which states:

1) This is the generations of Adam. In the day God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and called THEIR name ADAM in the day THEY were created.

You see lionwhelp, it doesn't matter who teaches the true Gospel (man or woman) as long as it is tought.


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Rachaelnw 3 years ago from Pensacola, Florida

I hate that there is so much division in the church and that we can't just agree on things. It's really confusing some times. :/


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lionswhelp 3 years ago Author

That's true about division but Jesus will be back to reward those that have listened to Him and professed His mighty name Those that have not listened will be reproofed. Have patience Jesus is coming very soon. Thanks for writing


sue 3 years ago

Mary Magdalene was the first to spread the gospel...and there were men there at the time...God can use whom he chooses...people are on their way to hell and you are worried about who witnesses to them?...are you getting preaching and pastoring mixed up?...they are different....it dosent matter if a child, a donkey, or a monkey shares the faith and gives someone the opportunity to accept Christ as Lord and Savior...any man that complains about that is really (wrong motive) worried about speaking engagements, popularity, and making a name for themselves...God uses the foolish things of the world...He will not share his glory with anyone...so if that means using a woman ...he will use one!...Men, Pastors,...check your motives...is this truly about Jesus!

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