Some thoughts on repentance, redemption and forgiveness.

Could God have forgiven this person?

If you met this man in Heaven, would you shake his hand?

Oliver Cromwell. Can I object if he is in Heaven?

Who should be forgiven? Who ought to be saved?

How would you feel if you died tomorrow, went to Heaven and then found yourself living next door to Adolf Hitler?

Would you be shocked and appalled to discover that the person in the "mansion" upstairs from your own was Josef Stalin, or Harold Shipman, or Al Capone?

I'm Irish. I think it reasonable to expect that Oliver Cromwell, who murdered tens of thousands of my compatriots, should be roasting over an eternal slow fire, but he may not be. I might be going to endless heavenly cocktail parties with him, along with Attila the Hun and Sadamm Hussein.

The reason why I am asking this apparently mad question is because I want to ponder the notion of repentance and redemption, with a little bit of forgiveness thrown in as well.

If, like me, you have a pretty conventional belief in God as the arbiter of our destinies, and as the fount of all forgiveness, can you actually rule out the possibility that His mercy might be extended to many more than we would immediately think.

Take the example of Josef Stalin. Stalin was in life a pretty loathsome character. He was directly responsible for the murder of many millions and the policies he pursued throughout his life led to misery and death for countless millions more.

But when he died in 1953, he was lying helplessly in his room for around fifteen hours and it took him another few days of agony to finally expire after he was found. What thoughts occupied the mind of "the Georgian monster" as he lay on the floor of his urine soaked bedroom?

Was he just conscious of the pain and indignity of his situation?

Was he planning a dreadful revenge on his doctors and his colleagues if he recovered?

Is it possible, that in his last days, an awareness of the terrible things he had done might have seared itself into his brain? When those around his bedside saw him groaning in, what they thought, was agony, might he have been groaning in anguish instead? Anguish over a life misspent, and a God horribly disregarded.

In simple words, could he have repented? Is it possible that, in those last hours of a wicked life, the dictator Stalin could have repented and become reconciled to God? Could he be in Heaven now?

If it turns out that he did, and he is, how would you feel about it?

Let us take another example. Adolf Hitler.

If you ask the average person, who is the most likely candidate for permanent roasting, Adolf Hitler tops the list almost all the time. There is very little in his life to suggest that he might be playing a harp in a heavenly choir. Seventy million odd victims of his megalomania might have something to say if he is.

Yet, think about it. Could he have slipped through?

As many as say he was evil also say he was mad. If he really was insane and totally deluded, how could he be held responsible for his actions, however bad?

Even if he wasn’t a lunatic could he have repented before he died? Hitler is reported to have ended his own life by taking cyanide and shooting himself.

Case closed, you might think. A thoroughly wicked monstrous life, ended in the sin of suicide. No escape for this baby. He is definitely in the lowest pit of Hell.

But, and there is always a but.

Recent evidence suggests that Adolf Hitler may not have died instantly. People who were in the bunker at the time have testified that the cyanide did not give an instant death. Adolf may have died in agony, screaming.

Now, just suppose that in the moments between biting down on that cyanide, and pulling the trigger, Hitler had one of those experiences you hear of with drowning men, when the whole life flashes before them. If this had happened, and a realisation of the great harm he had done came to him, could he have been sincerely sorry?

Would you mind it if he did? Would God have been wrong to forgive him?

On a more personal level, as an Irishman, I have to consider the case of Oliver Cromwell. When this English general returned to England, after his sojourn in Ireland in 1649, he left a country ravaged, and thousands massacred. Not three miles from where I was reared, he set fire to a church tower, and burned to death all the people who were taking refuge there. Later on, in a letter to the English parliament, he boasted about all the cruelties he had ordered.

But have I a right to expect him to be eternally punished? He died in his bed at Hampton Court Palace in 1658. Do I know that he didn’t repent?

If he did and God has forgiven him, have I the right to complain?

Should I be lucky enough to go to Heaven, and I meet Oliver Cromwell, should I shake his hand, or give him a thump?

These are the things that we all have to think about, whether we believe in God or not. Can we forgive? Should we?

Would it be right for someone who really lived a very bad and evil life, to even ask for forgiveness?

Can we ever dare to ask forgiveness for ourselves, (from either people, or from God) if we are not prepared to forgive all others ourselves?

One final question.

If I died today, and went straight to Hell and I looked up from the midst of the flames and saw Hitler, Stalin and Oliver Cromwell, sitting around a table in Heaven enjoying a drink with Jesus, ought I to be annoyed?


Isnt this the real point?

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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas

Of course the problem here is that everyone wants to be "righteous" and have everyone else punished. It's why they wear their fancy clothes, and go to church in their fancy new diesel trucks. . . .

Atheist often use the puny argument that one should be "eternally punished" for a life of sins - and that it's proof of the veracity of singular reality theory, and that death is a worm gourmet. . . .er. . .um. . .something.

But time and space and complex matters of what exactly constitutes any sort of reality, are very complex matters of physics, and atheist and everyone else will always find a "logical" means to justify whatever it is that they intend to keep doing.


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manlypoetryman 5 years ago from (Texas !) Boldly Writing Poems Where No Man Has Gone Before...

Excellent Point!


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John Sarkis 5 years ago from Los Angeles, CA

Hi Chris,

As usual, you make a unique and very esoteric point. Nice hub!

Take care

John


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom Author

What you say there is very true Wesman. It is a bit like those people who look forward to "the rapture". They believe that they are so "righteous", and the rest of us are either going to Hell, or suffering through "the tribulation".

The are so stuck up their own asses, that they forget the whole point of the religion they profess to believe.

Give me a good atheist over a bad theist anyday.

manlypoetryman. Thanks for your good words.

Hey John.

Hope you liked the music.

It's good to see that you are still around.


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50 Caliber 5 years ago from Arizona

Christopher this is spot on, that a true "Christian" according to what is presented in the oft titled "Book of Life" meaning how to live this life, or how to get that eternal life? One is the other, I have faith that all no matter the hour that seeks the face of God and inquires of him forgiveness, it will be granted, be it Hitler or the Pope. It was demonstrated in the writings of the three men hanging together in the last hours of their human lives, one asked Jesus for deliverance and was answered that he would indeed sit at his right hand in eternity, while the other had his eyes pecked out after his colorful remark, refusing that it be possible. I can't recite scripture and verse, I do understand the idea that is wrapped up in the Bibles I own, and being unforgiving pays unforgiveness, the way I read it and believe it as well. So to sit in the comfort of a majestic waterfall talking to Adolf Hitler would surprise me as little as it would offend me. After all, he did not pull all the triggers nor did he personally directly cause what ever number of deaths that are attributed to him, he needed a lot of help and he had it. Being a Marine my biggest pain in life is forgiving myself for following orders to do the dirty work of another when I had other options, only after thought allowed me to see my part of wrong, no matter how you look at it.

So I'm walking along cloud nine, talking with Christ, I see you and Wesman shooting the bull, I ask, how the heck did those guys get in up here? Christ,says "funny thing they asked the same about you an hour ago", 'nuff said.

Fantastic article on what certainly is all about the Hippocratic attitude of the group that says "we are a christian church and the only one worthy of any single person to be taught and baptized by to pass go and collect salvation" I say bullshit, Peace dusty


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aguasilver 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

Excellent hub Christopher, and one which I am sure will cause much anguish in Bible Land.

I have always held the (theory)that as God is timeless, each of us gets a split second (which could seem like an eternity)prior to death when Christ is revealed and our lives surveyed and weighed BEFORE we die.

Our response or reaction at that time will determine our fate.

I imagine that if Herr Hitler et al are in eternity with God, they will be the most contrite entities with fully broken spirits, and therefore it would be difficult to despise them.

Voted up and all, good work!

John


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom Author

What you say Dusty is very true. If God can forgive, we should all rejoice. I look forward to having a few beers in the Heavenly bar with yourself and a few others, but I'm not rushing there at the moment.

John.

I really like that theory of yours. It definitely looks like one I might have need of myself sometime.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas

I'm convinced that the rapture already happened, and that the only people deemed worthy were so poor that nobody missed them.


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50 Caliber 5 years ago from Arizona

Christopher, I'm in no rush myself! I like Johns view as well.

Seems in the book there was a parable of one sending workers into the vineyards to work for a Denarios[guessing at the word] so lets say for a dollar some agreed and went at 8 am and some didn't go until 3pm, at dusk all returned and were payed a dollar, regardless the time spent working. It basically led up to regardless the hour of when one signs up his pay will be the same as all who have spent much more time in the field. With that said, those who worry about what others deserve or not, are short sighted to the promise given to each one of us. I see being able to talk with some of these characters as a "cool thing" to be able to understand what drove them to the paths they took, after all eternity is an unfathomable time and I see talking to the variety of characters a good way to spend it.

Again thank you for a thoughtful article, dusty

LOL Wesman! might even be a fact!


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom Author

Wesman. You could indeed be right there. If it is so, most of them must be from the third world, and a lot of them aint even christians.

Now that would be a "Turn up for the book".


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom Author

Yeah Dusty, as The Man Himself said, "the first shall be last, and the last first".

If all of us who say we are christians spent more time heeding the words of Jesus, and less time pointing our fingers at every other one out there, we could save ourselves a lot of troubles.


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50 Caliber 5 years ago from Arizona

Amen! Amen!


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas

Christopher - you're certainly my brother. I'm personally always criticized for my drug use - no matter the content of my character. You've definitely mastered the art of missing the hurling stones - and you never seem to take the time to pick one up and throw it back at anyone either.

I'm not so good at that last part - but. . .I do think about it at least.


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom Author

Wesman. You are my brother as well.

I have mastered the art of dodging, or is it brushing off, stones over the years.

But I do throw plenty of them at times. The secret seems to be, to know that I do, and (just occasionally) put them down instead.


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bethperry 5 years ago from Tennesee

Very interesting hub, Christopher. I'm not Christian but I do feel that none of us can honestly judge a dying person's last thoughts, affirmations, regrets and such. This is a matter best left to their Deity.


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom Author

bethperry.

I think you are very wise and right in what you say.

Thanks for reading.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

What a refreshing idea you have here! As an atheist, I already know that all people, places and things are equal in the universe. They have to be since removing even one atom of Hitler (or grain of sand from the beach) would mean that the universe would not be the same as it already is. We exist, therefore we are equal.

It's nice to know that at least one Christian (and Dusty too) understands the simple solution.

At the molecular/atomic level and beyond, everything is infinitely the same.


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom Author

Thanks Austinstar.

I'm not so sure that our understanding is leading us to the same conclusion, but the article is more about the idea of forgiveness, and repentance than anything else, and we all need both of those during our lives, whether we are theists or atheists.

I just hang the debate onto a "christian" coathanger because that is what I know, but the issues go way beyond that.


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attemptedhumour 5 years ago from Australia

Deciding whether I can handle Handel is a tough enough question for me. If you had a gun and a time machine, would you pull the trigger three times? Is another question to ponder. Is murdering a megalomanic a sin?

Anyway, i wouldn't forgive the so and so's. And I would pull the trigger, from my hiding place. Thanks for an interesting question time Chris.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Yes, I understand your concept, Christopher, I am just expounding on it. Repentance and forgiveness are emotions or metaphysical things. Redemption to me is an internal thing. Something that only exists in the mind.

Atheists believe there is no heaven or hell, so there is no need for redemption.

Hitler is now a dusty old corpse somewhere, his atoms have moved on, forgiven or not.

No, this does NOT give atheists the right to be "immoral". I don't know why Christians assume this. Society laws have merit for all - believers or non-believers. We must all co-exist in our corporeal bodies. This is why the Bible was written in the first place. It's a guide to living a good life.

I do hope there is a heavenly reward somewhere, I just don't see it.


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50 Caliber 5 years ago from Arizona

Austinstar.... (and dusty too)?


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aguasilver 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

Herr Hitler was burned if history is correct, so his atoms would be very scattered indeed, or he could have died a natural death in South America for all we know.

Austinstar I do hope there is a heavenly reward for you somewhere, and that you do see it.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Aw Dusty, that was my ill planned attempt at humor. I'm a klutz.

John, it would be nice if someone could explain to me where it is. And I do need physical references, not just a vague promise in a 2,000+ year old collection of books.


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50 Caliber 5 years ago from Arizona

Austinstar , I was checking to make sure that my laugh light was indeed functioning correctly, thanks, those 2000+ year old books were converted to "faith" in the new testament and I found that using faith they will indeed out themselves as truth, a truth you won't find in a church or religion, me thinks, dust


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas

Well, concerning the corpse of Hitler - the Russians supposedly had his bones, but I recall hearing that someone had looked at the skull and saw that it was clearly the skull of a deceased woman. . . so I'm not sure that we even know what happened to Hitler.


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drbj 5 years ago from south Florida

Fascinarting treatise, christopher, I was enthralled. As to those evil-doers, I might FORGIVE but I would NEVER FORGET.


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom Author

The only problem there Keith is that you cant shoot someone in Heaven.

I must admit that emotionally I find myself standing with you. Forgiving would be very hard.


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom Author

Hi Austinstar.

There is always a need for redemption even if it is only in the memory of other people. Redemption is not just a theological term.

I never worry about what state our physical atoms get into after death. I feel that the physical is the least part of us anyway.

What you say about athiests and morality is very interesting.

Surveys were done amongst atheists and religious people, and they consistently showed that there was a higher level of morality and social responsibility among the atheists. Not what the average christian would expect I'm afraid.

I was surprised myself at first.


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom Author

Wesman, John and Dusty thanks for your continuing comments. I think I heard that story about Hitler's skull being that of a woman, but how could you tell the sex of an individual from an incomplete skull?

Hi drbj. The only snag there is that after several billions of years in Heaven, we would all probably forget.


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom Author

Thanks for the link Wesman.

I just read it. Really interesting stuff.


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attemptedhumour 5 years ago from Australia

Well if you had a time machine, which is possible in theory, you could do the deed then. Problem is that once you'd popped those three off there would be another three lined up to replace them, and you'd run out of bullets and the element of surprise. Cheers mate.


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom Author

If I had a time machine there are a lot of things I would like to sort out.

Just think of the possibilities?


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aguasilver 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

If I had a time machine there are plenty of other times I would visit rather than Europe 1942.... now theres an idea for a hub!


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom Author

That is an idea. You should write one John.


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SpanStar 5 years ago

christopheranton,

You are correct in saying that God can forgive these evil men of the sins they committed. It is however unclear to me that even though we are forgiven our sins it still isn't clear to me that a price still my need to be paid. The Bible tells us that our works will be judged and if found lacking some sort of price will have to be paid.

Often I get the impression people want to treat God like Santa Claus but God isn't just all loving No, he will judge the good and the evil as he has done so many times before. Adam and Eve were judged, Sodom and Gomorrah were found lacking and destroyed, the first and only world flood was judgment of God.

1 John 2

10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

10 Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble.

11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth , because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/parallel-bible/pass... John+2&t=kjv&t2=niv

Once again God can forgive anyone but he himself made it clear that everyone will not enter into the gates of Heaven in fact the Bible indicates more people are headed for hell then for heaven.


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TKs view 5 years ago from The Middle Path

Good article christoperanton. If I may join in, it seems to me that the "God" of which you speak would be all forgiving. However, that would not exclude the soul from taking responability for their actions while embodied. This is where the logic of karma and multiple livetimes comes from.

The other point is once we cross that threshold, I'm guessing we would leave a large portion of our personic identity behind along with our physical body. So, once in that heavenly abode, we may not even recognize pepole by their sins. Although, the idea of everyone sitting around heaven looking the same as when they were alive has a very Monty Python feel to it which I enjoy.

Keep up the good work, I'm going to check out some of your other posts.


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom Author

H SpanStar. Thanks for reading.

I wasnt saying that great sinners are all in heaven. I was mainly trying to find out what our attitudes would be if we discovered they were.

Dont forget that there will be more rejoicing in Heaven over one sinner that repents, than many that dont need it.

Of course there is a price to be paid for sin. As a catholic, I believe in The doctrine of Purgatory. If we dont atone for our sins in this world, we atone in the next, but we are still saved.

Something like that might have happened to those people I cited.

I'm afraid I dont subscribe to the idea that there was a global flood.

Genesis was an allegory inspired by God to teach us that actions have consequences,(sometimes bad ones), but it is not actual history.

Thanks for the link. I will check it out later.


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aguasilver 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

"I'm afraid I dont subscribe to the idea that there was a global flood."

Allegory then?

But does that allow that God MAY have wiped out the majority of rebellious sinful humanity and left a handful of those He considered righteous to start again?

Certainly population maths seem to indicate that our present numeric profile would equate to a start point in line with a major purge point.

Just curious...

John


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom Author

Hi TK's view.

God is, in my view, all forgiving if we turn to him and ask forgiveness, but of course we have free will, and we are capable of rejecting His forgiveness. I dont really think that many ultimately do.

I do believe that there is a price to be paid, and we all have to pay it, but we can still be saved in the end.

I hope I dont lose my unique personality, if I am lucky enough to get to Heaven.

There are so many questions I would like to ask, and so many people I would like to meet.


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom Author

Hi John.

There was a major "pinch point" when the population was almost reduced to nothing, but it was seventy thousand years ago, and it was caused by a super volcano in modern day Indonesia.

There are just too many problems with the idea that Noah's flood was global.

Besides what really would have been the point?


TKs view 5 years ago

Hi christopheranton,

I'm not one of those who believe in a ameba like "Oneness" in which we lose all sense of identity. The parts I'm guessing are left behind are the more petty emotions and judgments. This of course leads back to basic topic of, can you forgive. I'd add to that, Can you hate in heaven? If you can, how would it be any different than here and why would anyone want to go there. Once in heaven Christopher, (I think you'll make it, but who am I to say? You got my vote.) I feel you'll get to see behind the curtain of any experience here on earth throughout time. THAT would be really awesome.

Also agree with you about no global flood. There have been many major regional geological shifts that to primitive man would've appeared to be the whole world simply because that was as far as their world view had extended to that point.


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom Author

TK's view

I think your views on heaven are very similar to my own really. If we are going to live forever, it would have to be on a somewhat heightened plane of existence, otherwise we would eventually go mad. I dont think I personally would relish eternity, if I had to experience it with the limitations of purely human understanding.

I would still expect me to be recognisably myself though; just a better version.


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SpanStar 5 years ago

I don't want to belabor the point but about 12 years ago I'm guess there was a tv program which could have been National Geographic but if it wasn't it was like National Geographic, Scientist went to various places around the world and dug down where they found ground lays defining time periods. In land places where there water should not be they found fossils of water foul that shouldn't be in all these different locations and they confirmed that a world flood did take place.

It's been so long I can't remember the program but should want to search maybe you'll find that program that's if you want to.


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom Author

Since the position of the oceans relative to the land has been changed innumerable times throughout history due to continental drift, volcanic folding, ice ages etc, what you say doesnt surprise me.

It certainly doesnt provide any support for the notion that there was a global flood.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

There have been widespread floods in every area of the world at one time or another. Even in the Sahara and Texas. But the flood described in Genesis is pretty far fetched, not because of the flooding, but because all of the animals of the world would not fit into one ark, much less all of the different kinds of food they would need for a year. Nine people would have never have been enough to care for them all either.

I know you're going to say it's just another one of God's miracles. But just try to think of the event with the questioning mind that God gave you. And yes, the earth is a little bit older than 6,000 years.


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom Author

Austinstar.

Who are you addressing?

If it is me, you ought to know, that at least as far as the global flood is concerned, you are "preaching to the converted".


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

No, it was to SpanStar re the National Geographic thing.

you, Christopher are my hero when it comes to religion. You have a good brain.


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom Author

Thanks Austinstar.

I wont offend you by praying to God for your prosperity, but I will just send one off into the universe to be picked up by anything that might exist that can look after your welfare.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Thank you, and a toast to yours as well.


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lone77star 5 years ago from Cebu, Philippines

Bold, inspiring, refreshing! Thanks, Christopher for making us think, once again. Bravo!

I have no doubt that each of us has many skeletons in the closet of eternity. We need to be able to forgive ourselves for all of them. So, when the payment comes due on any karma, no matter how seemingly undeserved the misfortune, we should be grateful to God. Only in gratitude (turning the other cheek) can we let go the burden of resentment and guilt.

JUDGING

As for Hitler in Heaven? Can we ever judge? Never! We do not know the details of the scale upon which God weighs our lives. We have to leave the wisdom for that in His loving hands.

In the final analysis, I think the "judging" may end up being merely self-imposed. We know what we have done in our lives. We have the opportunity, but either decide to take it or not. Our decisions are what tip the scale one way or the other. If someone's heart is washed clean of all the grim and grit of iniquity, then we should all rejoice.

PHYSICAL LOCATION?

Some look here and there for the essence of Hitler and others, but it isn't in the atoms. The immortal true self (soul, spirit) is not of this realm (physical reality, continuity).

Some look here and there for the location of Heaven, but they will never find it, for it is not in any nook or cranny of the cosmos. Heaven, God, spirit, the Word, the essence of creation, forgiveness, spiritual awakening -- all these things are of the realm of discontinuity -- timeless, spaceless, massless and without energy. The kingdom of heaven is within each of us, if we only look. But that is not a physical place; it is a spiritual place.

FORGIVENESS

Forgiveness is a discontinuity (like creation itself). In fact, it is a creation. It requires that the true self awaken, even if only a little bit, if forgiveness is done properly. True forgiveness is a break in the bonds which tie us to the source of resentment. It is a release of that burden of physical continuity. Any lack of forgiveness (resentment) is part of the dirty rags which will prevent you from entering heaven. It is a darkness which is incompatible with the light of truth.

Now, imagine that the soul of Hitler is that of your mother or your daughter. Can you let go of the resentment of Hitler's past and love your darling even more than ever? Forgiveness allows you to fly free of all encumbrances.


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom Author

Thanks lone77star for your inspiring contribution.

I agree with almost every word you have to say, except that I hope Heaven has a location, although I feel sure it is outside of this dimension.


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lone77star 5 years ago from Cebu, Philippines

Thanks, Chris. I misspoke, of course! I don't know, because I'm not yet worthy. But I love talking about it, and pushing the envelope on understanding.

I suspect Heaven has a location, but not in the usual, mortal sense of the word. There may be many things about that realm for which we have inadequate vocabulary.


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom Author

The main thing about Heaven really is that we maintain our faith in Jesus, and then we can find out about it for ourselves in time.


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lone77star 5 years ago from Cebu, Philippines

Well said, Christopher. I look forward to that. ;)


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nemanjaboskov 5 years ago from Serbia

Chris, your idea and your hub were both excellent!

There is nothing more original to be said from my part, as it seems that the good fellow hubbers have used all the smart comments :)

I can say that I am too a Christian, although Orthodox, but I find, like you, a lot of things I do not agree with when it comes to my religious teachings.

Therefore, well done, my brother!


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom Author

Thanks Nemanja for the good words. I hadn't read this article for a while, and I was amazed at some of the brilliant comments. There are some really clever people on HubPasges.


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Lady Guinevere 2 years ago from West Virginia

Heaven is within us all. God is us, Jesus sat and dined with those who are criminals, Forgiveness is within everyone. Nothing is outside of our own minds. Good things come from bad and some come from the good. We are all here for each other and we are all connected. No one, but NO ONE knows what is in the minds of men and of God for God is the man and the man is God. People just cannot get their heads around that one. They immediately think that if we are God then that is EGO and there is a difference there that they do not get. Great article!


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christopheranton 2 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom Author

Thanks for your great comment Lady Guinevere.

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