Speaking Against Religion

Introduction

    One of the primary questions that atheists who are open about their disbelief and distaste for religion get asked is - WHY BOTHER? What business is it of ours what others believe? After all aren't religious preferences the decision of the person making them? Doesn't religious belief offer comfort, a sense of community and an incentive to be a better person (in the form of a Heaven)? In this hub I want to explain the reasons why I speak out against religious belief.

    Let me start by saying that in no way do I advocate outlawing religion - that's madness as it contradicts the first amendment to the constitution and what is widely considered one of the freedoms all human beings should be able to enjoy - freedom of religion. The right to believe what you want, however, extends only until your beliefs begin infringing on the rights of another individual. Even then you can still believe what you want but NOT practice it.

Indoctrination

    One of the most repulsive trends in religion is the indoctrination of children. While most, if not all, parents do this only because they want what's best for the child that is no excuse for imprinting these beliefs before a child can truly understand them. This is similar in many ways to instilling a dogmatic political stance in a child before that child has the critical thinking skills and experience to formulate their own beliefs on the matter. If you truly have your child's spiritual interests at heart why not wait until they actually have the ability to comprehend what you're teaching them?

    Indoctrination doesn't only work on children although when used on children it is more obviously immoral than when attempted on an adult. Indoctrination is what creates a new generation of racists, misogynists, bigots and fundamentalists each year. It is one thing to take you kid to church and let them make up their own mind, it is another thing entirely to tell them what's in the Bible, or ANY religious text, is absolutely true.

    I was indoctrinated as a child and I've both seen and experienced the effects this can have both on myself and others. While many of the beliefs we are taught as children are benign, perhaps even some of the irrational beliefs, others do real harm.

    This can be seen when school districts adopt Abstinence Only Education at the behest of Christian groups. What they are pushing for simply isn't rational, it is the irrational suppression of all sexual urges. Few groups have stronger sexual urges than teenagers, asking them to suppress these urges entirely is absurd and asking them to wait until marriage ends with them rushing into marriage unprepared. Teens are going to have sex and it's for the best that if and when they do they protect themselves. Teaching them to feel ashamed of these urges, to repress these urges, doesn't stop them from having sex and doesn't do a damn bit of good. This is just one example, there are many others.

Faith Healing

Faith healing has been tested by science and has consistently failed. It may make for an interesting version of the placebo effect but it most certainly does not produce the miraculous results most Christians claim it does. Every so often in the news you hear about families who let their children die of easily curable diseases because they denied their child medical care in favor of prayer. Faith healing when coupled with modern medicine is fine but faith healing by itself is potentially very dangerous to a child's well being. In some states here in the USA it is actually now against the law to not seek treatment for your child. Only in a superstitious world filled with irrational beliefs would such legislation actually be necessary.

Dominion Over Earth

    Another dangerous belief is the idea that human beings have been given charge of the Earth. Much like the Drill baby Drill attitude of some in politics this attitude is essentially one which states that because Jesus is on the way back and because God put this Earth here specifically for us, we can deplete the resources all we want.

    I've actually heard this argument from numerous Christians, the idea that Jesus will be back long before the human race uses up planet Earth. This is a dangerous mentality for obvious reasons and it is one based on ego. The idea that an all powerful God actually gives a shit about you, that's pretty egotistical. The idea that the Earth itself was made for us and that we're in charge of it is an idea wholly devoid of merit.

    The idea that Jesus will descend like a super-hero and right all the wrongs in the world is, in and of itself, a dangerous idea. We humans are on our own, if the last century taught us anything it taught us that we are by ourselves in this cosmic ocean. Even supposing for the sake of argument you were right and Jesus were on his way back do you really think he wants to arrive to find we've taken terrible care of the planet?

Does their freedom to be married infringe on your rights?

If you said yes you might be under the influences of a stupefying religious belief.
If you said yes you might be under the influences of a stupefying religious belief.

Homosexuality and Other Moral Laws

    In some parts of the world being gay can get you killed and yet Christians and other fundamentalist brands of theists continue to assert that being gay is a choice. Tell me who would be gay if they knew they would be in mortal danger because of it? Even here in the USA kids are still regularly bullied for being gay, along with a whole host of other reasons kids can be bullied. All of this intolerance, hatred and in some places violence is fostered by religious beliefs specific to the Abrahamic faiths.

    How would you like it if someone called you an abomination based on something that was no fault of your own? I was going to make an analogy to a pudgy kid getting called nicknames but even a fat kid has some control over what he eats and how much he eats while people have no real say over which sex they are attracted to.

    If violence in some countries weren’t bad enough even here in the USA average Americans continue to deny gay people the same rights they enjoy. Heterosexual couples are free to get married but in most states homosexual couples are not. Christians have been frothing at the mouth in a frenzy to deny gays equal rights going so far as to attempt to introduce a Constitutional Amendment to restrict the freedoms of others. I can’t even express to you how truly messed up that idea is. Just imagine for a moment that gay people did it the other way, that they introduced an amendment to not allow straight people to get married, there really is no difference.

    Gay people are just people and it is wrong to discriminate against them and deny them the same freedoms we straight people enjoy. It’s morally wrong regardless of how much of an abomination your bronze age myths claim their actions are. The Bible has no authority, the Constitution, the equality of rights our nation is meant to uphold and defend, are the authority of this land.

    The entire Moral Law of Moses is worthless to us in modern times. We no longer need the Ten Commandments, most of them are poorly reasoned or directly contradict the Constitution (see the First Commandment). We don’t need to be stoning people for working on the Sabbath, we don’t need to kill Witches or Mediums, and we definitely shouldn’t take slaves from the nations around us.

Education System

Churches are tax exempt places where children can be taught unregulated supernatural and superstitious beliefs as if they are absolute fact. If that weren't bad enough many religious institutions and lobby groups are continuously lobbying to get religion into public school education. This is another case of certain over-zealous believers thinking they are being persecuted against. Back in the day prayer and Bible study were common in public schools and for some reason some believers still would prefer a system like that today. The reasons why this is offensive is truly simple, Freedom of Religion and Separation of Church and State are both violated by putting religion in schools.

To make matters worse Creationists have been pushing to put their brand of religion into schools. Not only does Creationism contradict well established scientific fact it also contradicts the beliefs of most Christians and most other religious folks. So unless Christian Creationists are willing to teach other religious Creation myths I don't see a way to make this Constitutional. This is not to mention the fact that mythology of any brand does not belong in science classes.

As someone who was raised a Creationist and who only later realized how wrong I was I find this idea frightening because I understand the issue from both sides. Creationism isn't science, it's religiously biased and it doesn't belong in schools. While not all Christians are Creationists and not all Creationists want their beliefs taught in schools that is no reason to let our guard down or allow these zealots to get a hold of and indoctrinate young minds using the system we trust to educate our children with facts.

My Own Personal Reasons

    As I hinted at before I was indoctrinated as a kid and as such, having escaped those false beliefs, I feel a desire to express my distaste for religion. I do want to take this time now to explain that not all beliefs are harmful and that I do not oppose all theistic beliefs. If you are a pantheist, a deist, or an agnostic-theist of any kind the chances are that I have no real issue with any of what you believe. What I’m talking about in this hub are specific beliefs spread by religion that do real harm to people.

    It is those same agnostic believers who are probably the theists I most want to affect whenever I enter a religious discussion. Rather than cling to the hardcore fundamentals of these beliefs moderate believers tend to stick to the margins, to the positive emotional aspects of religion or the sense of community it can grant. The thing is that all those aspects can be had without the supernatural beliefs they happen to be attached to. Jesus didn’t have to die for anyone, he didn’t even have to exist, for you to live a happy fulfilling life. There doesn’t have to be a paradise to spend eternity in for you to have a meaningful existence.

Read my full deconversion story here: http://hubpages.com/hub/From-Superstition-To-Skepticism
Read my full deconversion story here: http://hubpages.com/hub/From-Superstition-To-Skepticism

Conclusion

    Religion hinders society. It holds back social progress and causes physical pain while stunting intellectual growth. Certain beliefs cause people to make bad decisions and to spread hateful or negative beliefs to their children for no good reason. We as a species are moving past the need for religious belief, in many ways we are already well beyond it. Unfortunately these beliefs are being propagated to children before they have the ability to question what they are being taught critically. This, along with social tradition and the existing financial power structure of religion, will likely keep religious institutions alive long beyond our need for them.

    It is important that more people speak out on behalf of the human cause and in favor of reason and empathy rather than dogma and superstition. It is also important that people be persuaded to leave religion behind of their own accord, using logic, reason and scientific fact rather than indoctrination. For atheists there is good news, we have logic on our side.

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BizGenGirl 5 years ago from Seattle

I don't agree with everything you have to say on this hub, but I must give you the thumbs up for writing a captivating and interesting hub. =)


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Very well put as usual, Titen. I was just called a snob for promoting my distaste for Religous dogma. The reasons you have stated here are quite real.

Religionists may believe what they will, but don't expect thinking people to agree with superstition, heresay and outdated opinions.

Thank you.


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crankalicious 5 years ago from Colorado

Nice hub, sir. Believing in a god is one thing. Promoting a dehumanizing agenda is quite another. What's even more interesting is that so many Christians in the US are Republicans and Republicans are basically hell-bent on redistributing all wealth into the upper classes and leaving the middle class (most of us) bankrupt. Not very Christian.


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

@Austinstar - Thanks. I've been called arrogant before simply for setting people straight on their logical fallacies in a discussion. It really is scary that more religious folks do not realize the damage their belief systems are capable of.

@crankalicious - Thank you sir. I've also found that trend interesting. It's strange for a lot of reasons. For one thing most Republicans are pro-death penalty which doesn't seem at all like the "love thy enemies" that Christ commands. And yes they seem to support the upper class, I guess they want to give unto Caesar that which belongs to the poor.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

"give unto Caesar that which belongs to the poor"

You got that right!


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AntonOfTheNorth 5 years ago from The Land Up Over

"Religion hinders society"

Actually, for followers of a religion, it IS society. I think more accurate to say that religion hinders a society that you would wish for.

I don't disagree with your essential points. I think we can point at a lot of damage that has been done in the name of religion and have no argument about it.

But democracy, capitalism, socialism, nationalism, and all the other isms are also taught from the cradle.

Just because someone uses religion as their reason doesn't make it the cause.

@crankalicious

yes many christians in the US are republicans

many christians in the US are democrats.

Do any of us have a problem with Christians who do not feel that their belief allows them to trample on the rights and well being of others? There are many of those too.

I agree, anyone that takes a dogma and uses that as a reason to cause suffering is a danger to society. I feel that no matter what the dogma is.

I'll even agree that religion is often at the heart of it.

But I point more at capitalism, power mongering and the entitlement that prosperity seems to bring as the cause of it, at least as much as religion.

Just an opinion, however.

cheers


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

"Just because someone uses religion as their reason doesn't make it the cause."

This is a very good point Anton. A good example would be Hitler, while he did use some religious justification it wasn't truly religion that motivated his sickening eugenics movement against the Jews and other groups.

However many movements having a negative impact on the world are the direct results of religious beliefs. For example discrimination against gays is directly connected with religious beliefs regarding homosexuality.

It can also be noted that politicians know how to manipulate believers based on their beliefs. If a Christian's religious beliefs make them anti-abortion than they are likely to vote for the candidate who is pro-life.


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AntonOfTheNorth 5 years ago from The Land Up Over

" . . . politicians know how to manipulate believers based on their beliefs."

You've hit on it right there.

"discrimination against gays is directly connected with religious beliefs regarding homosexuality."

It is only my opinion, but I don't think religion really has anything at all to do with belief in god. (hub coming on this one I think).

Society at large has historically surged and ebbed in its denouncement of homsexuality. Almost always someone wrote a book declaring against it, and the ruling authority of the day declared that book the word of god. (This is how leviticus came to be part of the bible, in my opinion).

Religious books were accepted by some 'authority' before they were disseminated as the word of god. I may be wrong about this, but those authorities were almost always secular.

And the books were adopted by 'educated' people at a time when study was something only the wealthy could afford.

The religion (certainly true of Christianity) was created by politics. This has less to do with the faith of thousands in a creator, a saviour and an afterlife, and much more to do with wanting to belong to the established society and gain the benefits thereof. When all the wealth is owned by the christian authorities (Europe before the reformation) you were either Christian or you were poor and therefore a target of the inquisition or the crusades).

Religion has become a tool of power. It is the way power manipulates and abuses. "If you don't believe what I believe, I have a right to smite you"

But really, the motivating force is 'my needs are more important than your well-being'

Religion is just the excuse used to get support.

Again, only my opinion. I enjoy your hubs, even when I don't agree. (Sometimes because I don't ;0 )

cheers


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

It isn't really the belief in God that causes the problem, it's all the other dogmatic beliefs that get attached to it, when someone puts words into the mouth of this "God" saying that God hates abortion or doesn't want gays to get married, etc. That's the reason why deists and moderate Christians aren't a big problem, it's the fundamentalists who take every last stipulation of their religious texts as absolute truth that cause real trouble.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

I think that people of no hope seem to have to strongest belief in the supernatural and superstition. They seem to believe the bible is direct communication from their "savior". If only they would work on saving themselves.


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

Precisely, imagine how many of the world's problems could be solved if we set aside the belief that one day a savior will descend and actually get to work making the world a better place on our own :)


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Stump Parrish 5 years ago from Don't have a clue, I'm lost.

You stated that parents have their child's best interests at heart and I believe they are doing what they think is the best thing for their kids. This is nothing more than passing on how they were raised. You then brought up critical thinking skills and I believe this is where religion does the most harm. Religion in my experience is at war with teaching children to think for themselves. This makes sense from their point of view due to the fact that if children are taught to think critically there is a good chance they will come to the conclusion that religion is all about controlling the population and against improving it. It has been shown that the more religious a state is the less educated that state is. Knowledge and critical thinking skills are religion's worst enemies.

Abstinence

It always amazes me to watch the church fight for the abstinence program. The very people who are fight for it today were going at it like rabbits when they were teenagers. As each generation matures they begin to believe that their children aren't normal healthy kids with normal desires and hormones. I also dont understand how parents today can risk their child's life with this fear of teahing sex education. They seem to forget that the dangers kids face today are substantially more dangerous than when they were kids. Today kids can die from a normal teenage desire. Teaching children the dangers of sexual activity and how to protect themselves will in no way increase the frequency of sexual activity. I doubt there is much that could increase this activity, lol.

Faith Healing

My biggest problem with this how hard christians fight to protect the life of an unborn fetus and yet as soon as this fetus is born, they are permitted in 44 states to kill it with faith healing. This goes hand in hand with the battle against sex education. The best way to reduce abortions is to teach proper use of contreceptives. They claim to want to reduce abortions and yet fight against the best way to do this.

Homosexuality and Other Moral Laws

I have a tshirt I wear alot here in the bible belt. It reads...If the fetus you save is born gay, will you still fight for it's rights. The standard reply as you are probably aware of is that no one is born gay. Where I get them boiling mad is when I state that they must be a homosexual. If their heads don't explode they stammer an angry denial. When I ask them how it is that they know more about homosexuality than every homosexual on this planet and the scientists that have studied homosexuality, they gererally just leave in defeat. I did get one answer that stupified me. I was inform when I asked what this friend was using for proof to support his position he actually stated...I believe in god and that is all the proof I need. The sad thing is that most of these people fighting against gay rights have never knowingly met a homosexual. They have no idea what they are talking about and are more than willing to prove it.

No comments on education as I agree whole heartedly with you.

The same can be said about your veruy valid personal reasons and your conclusion.

Now to the problem I have here. I am guessing from your picture that you are relatively young and I have had some bad experiences on myspace with friending teenagers. It got to the point that I blocked anyone under 18 from visiting my page at all. I also have some concerns about some of my hubs and yet I realize you could have found these on your own.

The fact that you seem to be quite intelligent and capable of supporting your position coupled with the fact that Austinstar is showing up on your hub, I am going to take a chance and follow you. I will admit to being out of touch with the younger generation and I welcome the chance to change that. Very well presented position and hub. voted up and awesome.

"crank" What amazes me about this situatiuon is the number of christians willing to support that which will hurt them the most. I know they are instructed by their church on how to vote but come on, what causes a person to work so hard to harm themselves? The majority of christians are the one the wealthy will be taking from and they seem to be quite willing to give it up.

"titan"you stated in a comment that an anti- abortionist will alway side with and vote for a pro-life canidate. This problem also shows up in how christians deal with the creationist theiory. In my opinion if a christian believes that a scientist is wrong about the origins of the planet and evolution, it stands to reason that they believe scientists are wrong about everthing. The majority of people who disbelieve that global warming is a hoax are on the right. If they are wrong about global warming they must be wrong about homosexuality being a naturally occuring part of nature. I see so much disblief in so many proven facts that it truly baffles me how these people function.

"Anton" you stated that society at large has historically surged and ebbed in its denouncement of homsexuality. While this is true, there has never been more scientific proof against the claims of religion concerning it as there are today. There is a rediculous refusal to accept facts that disagree with beliefs and this is a halmark of religion. I agree with the rest of your second comment, btw.


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

"Now to the problem I have here. I am guessing from your picture that you are relatively young and I have had some bad experiences on myspace with friending teenagers."

I can fully respect your trepidation there, I'm not that big a fan of myspace which is why I abandoned my own myspace over a year ago. The picture was taken when I was nineteen, I'm twenty-three now.

"I see so much disblief in so many proven facts that it truly baffles me how these people function."

As someone who has studied creationism, conspiracy theories and pseudoscience from childhood (first as a believer and now as a skeptic) I fully agree. I think a lot of it has to do with support from others and constant reinforcement. Back when I was a teen and I stopped going to church it didn't take long for the questions about my beliefs to begin to creep into my mind and after that I read the Bible without any apologetic interpretations and my faith truly began to crumble. Without the constant support and constant mental gymnastics these beliefs generally weaken and break under the weight of logic. Unless critical thinking skills are entirely undermined in youth with heavy indoctrination.

Thanks for the comment Stump and I hope I won't make you regret the decision to follow me :)


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Hi Stump! Nice comment. It's almost a whole hub in itself.

Yes, I have been following Titen-Sxull since I read his first hub. He is very eloquent and accurate. I have to respect that at any age.

Titen, I was actually beginning to think you were much older than your avatar. This much wisdom and critical thinking doesn't usually show up so early in life. I think I was about 25 when I realized what religion truly did to people.

While I wasn't raised in a fundamentalist home, I did encounter many fanatics. I still do. I want them to go away. It never ceases to amaze me how many stupid people there are in the world. And not just about religion.

Keep leading and I will follow.


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

Thanks Austin, some people wake up even later than that, some are Pastors who spent twenty plus years behind the pulpit before they truly begin questioning while some remain asleep their whole lives. It's different for everyone I suppose.

In a way it's kinda a bummer the rapture didn't come today, I was looking forward a word without Christian zealots :D


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

I know! Just the usual smattering of earthquakes and volcanoes. Not one Christian rising up into the clouds. Guess we have to wait until next year in December.


gobangla 5 years ago

I have two young children. I don't teach them that there is no god or anything like that. I objectively teach about various religions, modern and ancient. I do want them to grow up and form their own opinions about things. I don't want to indoctrinate them either way. I will give them my opinion on these things at some point.

But I do understand why religious parents do it. Many are convinced that their children will suffer eternal damnation if they don't believe in specific doctrines. Nonbelievers don't have to worry about things like that. So, we can more easily raise children who think for themselves.


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Paladin_ 5 years ago from Michigan, USA

While you make some very valid points, Titen, I have a somewhat different take on some of the issues you discussed.

Most notably, I can't honestly condemn parents who raise their children in their religion. I admit that I don't like it that these children are being indoctrinated in ideas that I consider to be hogwash, but I have no doubt these parents sincerely believe they're doing what's best for their children.

I realize it could be argued that truly abusive parents often believe they're acting with good intentions. But what we're discussing isn't obvious physical abuse. At worst, it could only be considered "psychological" abuse, and that is a very tricky subject -- one we're probably not qualified to discern.

As for debating religion and religious faith, I would still do it even if religion didn't have all the negative aspects and effects it does; even if it weren't the dominating and counterproductive presence in our society that it currently is.

I would speak out because I care very deeply about what is true. That alone is reason enough to debate such matters in public forums such as this. Thus, it doesn't bother me when believers appear and attempt to proselytize. Yes, I get tired of reading the same old copied and pasted crap over and over, but I welcome the challenge of participating in the battle of ideas.

If one honestly seeks the truth, interacting with others and examining their arguments (as well as your own!) is really the best way to develop and refine your own ideas and philosophy along the way.


Lybrah 2 years ago

"The entire Moral Law of Moses is worthless to us in modern times. We no longer need the Ten Commandments, most of them are poorly reasoned or directly contradict the Constitution (see the First Commandment)."

I just have to comment on this. Obeying and respecting your parents is poorly reasoned? Not killing and not stealing and not coveting are poorly reasoned? How does the First Commandment contradict the constitution? Please elaborate for me.

And teenagers are too young to be having sex. It is not just an act, there is other stuff involved, that teenagers are not old enough to make these types of decisions. They should all wait until they are over the age of 20. As teenagers, they are still kids! They should learn to suppress their urges and not act on every whim. That is part of being an adult.


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Titen-Sxull 2 years ago from back in the lab again Author

I said most of them are poorly reasoned. They are as follows: Commandments 1-4 and commandment 10. Honoring thy father and mother is debatable, as it depends on what kind of parents they are, there's no reason to honor abusive parents. The Bible, of course, endorses the physical abuse of children, and even endorses the execution of children who become too rebellious, follow another religion, or develop into drunkards.

The first commandment states that the only God you are allowed to worship is Yahweh. It is a direct contradict of freedom of religion. It is God saying it is literally ILLEGAL to worship another God. It's about as clear and obvious a contradiction as can be. If our laws today came from the Old Testament Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists, and a whole host of other folks would either be stoned to death or in prison.

"They should all wait until they are over the age of 20"

Biologically human beings hit puberty typically in their teens, and began seeking out and desiring sexual partners and forming romantic relationships. Your opinion that they should wait until they are older is meaningless. You may as well complain that the days are shorter in Winter.

"They should learn to suppress their urges and not act on every whim."

I agree to an extent. No one here called for teenagers, or anyone else, to practice depraved levels of sexual promiscuity. But obviously as a species we have trouble controlling those urges, not just teenagers, and that's why sexual education and easy access to contraception should be emphasized far more than they are right now. As for suppressing urges, I wouldn't use the word suppress. While obviously we want to encourage responsibility when it comes to sex we don't want to encourage guilt or shame associated with those urges.

Obviously most religious organizations deal with sex all wrong. They fill kids heads with guilt about every sexual thought or action, even sometimes threatening Hell. Catholicism in particular has an issue with birth control, leading to more abortions, which they are also, strangely, against. They want to teach that sex is only for procreation, that sex just to build a bond with someone you're in a relationship with, or just for pleasure, is sinful.

Part of being an adult is also owning up to your feelings, whatever they may be, and teaching people to be scared of their feelings, or guilty about them, isn't very healthy from a mental health perspective.


Lybrah 2 years ago

When it comes to children, I am all for corporate punishment. "Time Outs" and "making deals" with children younger than 10 IS NOT WORKING in this society. You don't even know what it is like to be a teacher with today's kids. When I was younger, a good spanking made me think twice about saying something or doing something disrespectful.

Yes, some parents are bad parents. But they are still parents, nonetheless. Authority should always be respected. If parents are abusive or neglectful, then the LAW can intervene and make a different arrangement for the child.

As for the first commandment contradicting the constitution, I think it is the constitution that is violating the first commandment. You've got it backwards. It is the constitution that is wrong--There is only ONE god, so saying people are free to worship other gods is wrong. There are no other gods--you're either worshipping Yahweh, or you're worshipping Satan by default. I think that is how God will see it on Judgement Day.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Speak for yourself Lybrah - Half the world does not 'worship' your Christian God and/or they do not worship Satan either. You aren't qualified to make statements like that. Still being overly judgemental I see.


Lybrah 2 years ago

They don't realize that they are worshipping Satan, but if you're not paying homage to Jesus and Yahweh, you're against them. Allah does not exist in the form of Allah, it is really Satan in disguise. Mohammud thought that the archangel Gabriel was dictating the Koran, but it was really Satan impersonating Gabriel. Satan disguises himself as an angel of light to deceive people. But I digress.


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Titen-Sxull 2 years ago from back in the lab again Author

When I was a kid spankings never worked. Time outs were torture. I see your lame ass anecdote and raise you one of my own. The only time hitting a kid should ever be done is if the childs life is in danger and you have to tackle them out of the way, knock them aside or slap their hand before they touch the stove. Any time you are using physical pain as retribution for doing wrong you are walking a very thin line as to whether or not you're abusing the child.


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Titen-Sxull 2 years ago from back in the lab again Author

So by telling people that there's no reason to believe in God (or Satan for that matter), I am actually worshiping something I don't even believe in? And what about Jews and Muslims? Muslims technically believe in the same God as the Jews and Christians, just a different version. And what about Mormons?

Sorry but the excuse that "everyone else is worshiping Satan" just makes you look dumb.


Lybrah 2 years ago

"When I was a kid spankings never worked. Time outs were torture."

You're a rarity. With most kids, words go in one ear and out the other. I'm not saying beat the child black and blue, but a smack now and then should be appropriate. No punching or anything.

I didn't say you personally were worshipping Satan, but if you're not on God's side, you're on Satan's side whether you believe in him or not. That is, you might as well be. As for the people in other religions, like Jews or Mormons, God will be the One who judges what happens to them. I can only speculate. But I can tell you pretty much what might happen to people who reject God--I think you already know, though.

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