The Actual Resurrection Of Christ, Bodily Or Spirit

How Are The Dead Raised?

" But some men will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? Thou fool, that which thou soweth is not qickened (made alive) except it die.. . .But God giveth it a body as it pleased him, and to every seed his own body.(I Cor.15:35-38) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruptible: it is sown in dishonor and raised in glory. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.

So what is the difference in what Jesus said and what is written here? Jesus said that "a spirit has not flesh and bones as you see me have" The words spirit (pneuma) and spiritual body (pneumtikos) con notates to different states of being. Spirits are disembodied, they cannot solidify. That is why they like to inhabit someone or some thing. Man has a spirit which is immaterial and invisible. The sentient element in man, that by which he perceives, reflects, feels, desires. You will never get to see it. Our body is the visible representation of our spirit just like Christ is the visible representation of all the Father is, You will never see Him for no man has seen God at any time except when He is revealed in Christ. Angels have spirutual bodies, but they are not disembodied spirits. We will be like angels one day except we wil still have a body soul and spirit, angel do not. The angelic host, lower than God but higher in scale of being than man. That is going to change. We will be like Christ, higher in being to the angels, for we will be like him and see him as he is, in his glorified state.

A spiritual body is a body that defies the laws of nature. He can appear and disappear. He can be touched and pass through walls. He can eat or not eat. A sprit cannot do these things. We are now going to take a look at nature and credibility of the resurection fo Christ because it is the fundamental doctrine of Christianity and an improtant part in the application of salvation. You get this wrong you might as well throw away your Bibles..

There are those who believe in the death of Christ but see his resurrection with little importance. Paul shows that everything stands or falls with Christ's bodily (not spirit) resurrection. If Christ has not risen, preaching is in vain, our faith is in vain, and we are yet in our sins. He further states that those who are fallen asleep in Jesus have perished. That is they will never get up from the grave. The grave has become victorious. Death still has its sting.

There are those who claim to believe in the resurrection of Christ refuse to believe that his was a bodily resurrection. They say that in his death he passed out of his physical life, and in his resurrection he passed into his spiritual life; two seperate events that they call the resurrection. We have several things to note that Christ arose bodily, Jesus himself declared after his resurection that he had flesh and bones (luke 24:39) The nail prints were still in his hands and feet, the wond still in his side. He told Thomas to touch him, to handle him that he might believe. Christ body was a real body. It could and was touched, It had flesh and bones,and it was recognized as the same body, not another.

David prophesied by the Spirit that Christ's flesh would not see corruption (Ps. 16:10; Act 2:31) When the disciples entered the tomb they found it empty and the grave clothes stil there. Jesus also predicted that he would rise bodily (Matt. 12:40) After the resurrection Christ body was different in some respects in that he passed through closed doors, he did not need to eat and sleep.

The nature of the resurrected body is such that it will not be an entirely new creation. If that were the case, it would not be the present body, but a another body. But the body which is sown will be raised(I Cor. 15:43) Nor on the other hand, will the resurrection body necessarily be in every detail composed of the identical particles in this body (1 Cor.15:37) So the ressurrected body will be the same body, though its make-up will be changed from corruptible to incorrruptible.

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yes2truth 7 years ago from England

That's very naughty Oscar. The Lord takes a very dim view of people who stop His Truth being preached. I will expose you on a Hub of my own.


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oscarwms 7 years ago from PA Author

Yes2truth, what kind of Christian are you. You sound like a very vindictive person. "I will expose you on a hub of my own" I have the right to agree or disagree with you or any person I want. I disagree with you and your angels having sex with women theory. I disagree with your twisting my words around and not staying on the subject. I wrote about the ressurrection not about angels. There was no mix up here.


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Sanctus Vesania 7 years ago

>>I disagree with you and your angels having sex with women theory.

This isn't a theory.

Genesis 6:1-3 (King James Version)

Genesis 6

1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Sons of God here is another term for angel.

Jude 1:6 (King James Version)

6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


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oscarwms 7 years ago from PA Author

The sons of God here is not talking about angels but the Godly line of Seth. After Seth was born, men began to call on the name of the Lord.

The thought that it was angels came from the damnable doctrine of demons book of Enoch. If God wanted the book in the Bible it would have been there. Satan spawned that book to poison the minds of men to cause disention in the Church and among Christians.


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA

You said, "Angels have spirutual bodies, but they are not spirits." I'm sorry to challenge this statement, brother, but the fallen angels are spirits. They are called spirits and demons all throughout the Bible. God's angels can appear just like you and me, for we entertain them unaware (Heb 13:2), and other times they show up in glowing white, and we have no doubt they are angels. Angels do not procreate, and that is why the fallen angels that did this SINNED against God's creation and against God.

The "sons of God" mentioned in Genesis were indeed fallen angels. Just a number of them sinned with human women by creating the Nephilim, the giants in the days before the flood. They are the ones in prison in the deepest abyss of Hades, which is called Tartaroo (Hell). I have a video of proof of these giants on my hub "The Son and sons of God".

This explains the scripture in Ephesians 4:9 "(Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?)" along with 1 Peter 3:19-20: "By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah,"

Jude 1:6 makes it very clear: "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." (That judgment will be the Lake of Fire, Geenna).

The Book of Enoch goes more into detail, and Enoch is mentioned 13 times in the Bible and is said to have "walked with God" (Gen 5:24) and "did not see death" (Heb 11:5). This book was included in the Bible for 500 years. However, the Bible alone tells us of this event, just not in as much detail.

As far as we having spiritual bodies, yes we will ~ incorruptible, yet resurrected and "changed" from our dust (1 Cor 15:52); amen!

I hope this at least adds some dimension to the discussion here.


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oscarwms 7 years ago from PA Author

Well we can all agree to disagree agreeably.Angels are not disembodied spirits. The Sons of God are the Godly line of Seth is my view. I reject the Idea that the fallen angels had sex with women because that veiw came out of the Pseudopigrapha(false)book of Enoch. We do not have the real book of Enoch. If the book was given by inspiration of God an accepted in to the cannon like the 66 books of the Bible I would except that as truth.


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA

So do you believe demons and spirits are some other created thing? (if they're not fallen angels?) I love how you put that, though ~ very good "We can all agree to disagree agreeably". I want to use that; it's so good :-) God bless us all :-)


SirDent 7 years ago

Mat 22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.

Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Angels cannot have sex with women. I agree that the Sons of God in the Old testament are from the Godly line of Seth, or perhaps another who we know nothing about. If you read the book of Luke geneology, you weill notice that Adam who was a son of God is the end of the geneology. ((Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. )) This is King James Version.

yes2truth, I have flagged many hubs over personal attacks, so if you write a personal attack hub I will flag it myself. Trying to give you fair warning.


SirDent 7 years ago

Sorry Oscar for my previous comment. I have seen so much fighting and arguing lately it just isn't funny.

Psa 133:1 Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!

Psa 133:2 It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;

Psa 133:3 As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.

Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Pro 6:12 A naughty person, a wicked man, walketh with a froward mouth.

Pro 6:13 He winketh with his eyes, he speaketh with his feet, he teacheth with his fingers;

Pro 6:14 Frowardness is in his heart, he deviseth mischief continually; he soweth discord.

Everyone can take it as they will.


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oscarwms 7 years ago from PA Author

Judahs Daughter:"So do you believe demons and spirits are some other created thing? " You seem to be a hard person to talk to. Your problem seems to be you do not want to believe what Jesus said but come up with your own spin on things. I believe what the Bible says period. Angels neither marry or given marriage. That says to me they cannot procreate or have sex at all, no kind of way. Jesus says a spirit has not flesh and bones. That says to me they are incorpereal,so you can't touch them or see them like you can Jesus, so how can they have sex?


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oscarwms 7 years ago from PA Author

Thank you SirDent , you are a breath of freash air. I just love it when God sends some one along who touch and agree on the same things in his word. I was just ready to give up posting hubs on these matters.

God bless you my brother.


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA

First of all, even Bible scholars believe in the Nephilim and how they got here; I'm not making up a myth. It's not a matter of salvation, and therefore is not worth the "iron sharpening iron" at this point. As you said, you "just love it when God sends some one along who touch and agree on the same things in his word." Theologeons obviously have different viewpoints on the "sons of God". I don't know how regular human beings could create giants, though. That is a thought-provoking question?

You didn't answer my question. Do you think then that the spirits and demons that possessed people in the Bible were not the fallen angels? If not, were they then created spirits of God? Satan didn't create anything. Just curious as to your thoughts on this.


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oscarwms 7 years ago from PA Author

Judahs Daughter, I'm a Bible scholar that believe in the Nephilim also. I just don't believe they cam from angels having sex with women. I'm of native American and African decent and I study my people. There are still giants in Africa today as well as little people called pigmies. They did not come to be by some supernatural intervention from angels; that is the way God made them. My poeple love to spin tales especially the supernatural kind. The witch doctors and shamen do that to keep people in fear of them so they can contol them. The Book of Enoch was found in Etheopia. I wouder did it come from those giants? I guess we will never know will we, at least on this side of heaven.

As to your second question, I can't give you no difinitive answer, neither can anyone els even though some dare to do.

Some suggest that demons are disembodied spirits of a pre-Adamic race. It is preferable to identify them with the fallen angels which are yet free (not in chains) That they possess individuals is part of their continuing effot to frustrate the program of God, rather than merely a desire to be clothed with a human body.


GRIM REAPER 7 years ago

Angels cannot procreate with humans, nor did they cause offspring, its a lie that entered the Faith from books not included in the bible like Book of Enoch an imitation from sects and also from where Islam started.

God blessed man to be fruitful and multiply not Angels


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oscarwms 7 years ago from PA Author

Thank you grim. I wish I had more like you to speak out on this. This book of Enoch is gaining in popularity because of mans carnal desires and lust for things like this. The Dvincci Code is just the sort of thing too. It appeals to people who want to drag God down to our carnal level. I remember when I was in elementry school and some teen would come around and show us porno cartoons of Nuns having sex. The forbidden always seem to be atractive. As a pastor I get propositions from women, men, young and old. People like to say if the angels can lust after women and they are above us then we are not that bad. We go from Nuns having sex to angels having sex to Jesus having sex. When will it end. I guess somebody will come up with a book saying God the father had sex.


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Abrushing1968 7 years ago from USA- Florida

Oscar This was a great Hub. You have taken on a deep and rarely discussed topic. I personally felt you have done a great and thorough job expressing your position. You have made me put my thinking cap on.

As for the discussion on angels and demons, you are not alone in your views. I know many notable pastors and and scholars who prescribe to the Godly line of Seth view of Gen 6.

I myself do not. Judah's Daughter has pretty much expressed my views, so I do not feel a need to say anything further in that regard.

I would like to point out however that these are the sorts of needless debates that get peoiple into trouble. It boild down to a matter of interpretation. and we will know for sure until we ask God in person after the resurrection of our bodies.

This is not a salvation issue. and is not worth arguing over.

God Bless you

ABR


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oscarwms 7 years ago from PA Author

I'm not doing this to argue with any one but I do think debates are a good thing because it brings about points of view that would otherwise never get seen. My point of veiw is based intirely on what the Bible says not trying to fill in some information that we think it says from non- biblical material such as the false book of Enoch. I believe where the Bible is silent on a matter or not giving clear and consise information we should be silent. Revalation is clear: "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from things which are written in this book." (Rev. 22:19) I believe we can know for sure because Gods word is sure. It (the Bible) says these things are written that we might know and have life through his name (Jesus) All scripture (not other books)is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine (teaching), for reproof (correcting the wrong)correction (teaching the right), for instruction in righteousnes.


GRIM REAPER 7 years ago

Appologise I didnt notice that you had mentioned in your comment about Book of Enoch.


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oscarwms 7 years ago from PA Author

I just don't see why Christians have a thurst for things that are not in the Bible to try to bolster their point of view. We have a point of view but God has a view point and He put together 66 books for our learning that we can see His point. We will never in this life time master the Bible in its entirety. Woe to those that would lead us little ones astray with false doctrine like the Book of Enoch.


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jxb7076 7 years ago from United States of America

Great hub of information, including the opposing viewpoints. God bless!


HU-man 6 years ago

JESUS IS THE MAN CHRIST IS THE ENTITY THE POWER AND GLORY THAT SOME HUMAN BEINGS CAN BECOME THROUGH THEIR COMMITMENT AND TRUST IN GOD


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oscarwms 6 years ago from PA Author

Hu-man, Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. We do not become some entity nor do we become God. "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderfull, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (Colossians 2:9) That Son that was given is none other than Jesus Christ. He was with the Father before the world began. "For by him (Jesus) all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in the earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or pricipalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him." (Colossians 1:16) "He is God, there was never a time he was not God, and always will be God. There can be -only one- Good luck in your quest to becoming what you believe in. As for me I will serve the Lord. "For as many are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For I have not recieved the spirit of bondage again to fear; but I have recieved the Spirit of adoption, whereby I cry, Abba, Father.

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