The Antichrist Church that is Organized Religion

There is an increasing majority of people who are leaving the organized religion of attending “church.” They are compelled to leave because they can no longer conform to the popular accepted system. For some, they can no longer by good conscience accept the popular religious concepts and traditions they once held. There is something in them wanting to defy what it is to be a good “club” member.

The modern “church” has become a place of tradition that holds precious memories for many. They may have grown up in it with their esteemed pastor, even accepted his the call to the altar, and have been indoctrinated with the denominational ideology of that belief group. They are perfectly content with their form of "worship" that consists of belonging to a building on a prime piece of real estate filled with a clergy of professional ministers, elders, board members, etc… that plan all the activities and events for you. As you attend these activities, it is deemed that you are doing “good works” and “pleasing God” in support of "church."

This article is not meant for those who believe that “church” is a building as it will bring offense, but for those who are wrestling with the concept of "church" and the disillusionment of organised religion that is the modern “church”.


Listen and Obey


There is only one ekklesia with Jesus Christ as the head, and all others are the counterfeit of Satan.


"This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased; listen to him." – Matthew 17:5


The true Gospel of the kingdom of God has nothing to do with a particular building, but has to with those who listen and obey. Without obeying the Holy Spirit, the rule of the clergy will take over instead. To be a true participator in expanding the kingdom of God requires being under the authority of God rather than popular views of man-made ideologies and their hierarchical structures. This means that our wills need to conform to God’s will, not to man.

There is an “angel of light” that has infiltrated the modern “church” whose sole purpose is to deceive the genuine church of Jesus Christ. Through deception, many people flood through the doors of organized religion and enter into the spiritual city of Babylon, which is the government of Satan who has control and reign over all those who enter.

There are many conversions of winning souls for the “kingdom” within the "church" building, but the unfortunate fact is that many become members and citizens of Babylon instead of citizens of New Jerusalem. Their minds that have no been renewed; therefore, they will defend their carnal ways of doing things. In contrast, there is also a movement that is going on behind the scenes of modern “Christianity” where the Holy Spirit is drawing many out of the oppressive religious harlot church system. There are those who can relate to others without the need for meeting, or attending a fancy building with salaried pastors and man-made programs that perpetuate the kingdom of Babylon.

There is only one ekklesia that Jesus Christ is building that consists of overcomers. They are in one accord in Jesus Christ. They are exclusive to those who are one of God’s children. They not only believe in Jesus, but obey Him too. They do not conform to diversified doctrines and traditions that are popularly spewed from the pulpits, but are true citizens of New Jerusalem. They have left and discarded the doctrines, traditions and practices that are contrary to the Word of God. They give Jesus Christ precedence over everything that they do and believe all of the things that He has said in His Word.


Spiritual Babylon


And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her sexual immorality. And on her forehead was written a name of mystery: "Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth's abominations." And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her, I marveled greatly. But the angel said to me, "Why do you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast with seven heads and ten horns that carries her. – Revelation 17:3-7


Babylon is described as a woman who is adorned with gold that looks beautiful on the surface and deceptively appears to be the ekklesia, but beneath the surface she is full of impurities and abominations. Many are attracted by her seductive ways and regal appearance. Because she appears to be too sincere to be false, many “Christians” enter into the oppressive captivity of Babylon believing that it is the New Jerusalem. Babylon the Great rules over all the denominations and branches of organized religion that promotes a hierarchical worldly system of government. Many are held captive in spiritual Babylon. This captivity is rooted in the traditions of man created by Satan.


Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. – 1 John 2:15-16

We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. – 1 John 5:19


All of the elements of society is in control and power of Satan. When man uses the system of the world within the "church," it conforms to the spirit of the world instead of God. Satan subtly deceives those into believing that the “glory of God” manifests in expensive building only when members attend and give wealth to their clergy and programs that promote lusts of the flesh with show biz style entertainment. Satan has succeeded in distracting many to behave and think like the world instead of having the mind of Jesus Christ.


Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.– Romans 12:2


It is only by coming to the place of a renewed mind through the grace of Jesus Christ that we are able to discern the religious worldly ideology of Babylon. All those who enter into the harlot city will participate in the sins of organized religion that is ruled by the Antichrist spirit that indirectly denies Jesus Christ as the Son of God. Satan desires to make his members and citizens comfortable in their riches and luxury with fancy buildings that have all the latest technologies, air-conditioning, a glorious sound system with a fancy pulpit upon the stage to glorify man’s kingdom.


Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues; for her sins are heaped high as heaven,
and God has remembered her iniquities. – Revelation 18:4-5

And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all who have been slain on earth.” – Revelation 18:24


Can you tell the difference?
Can you tell the difference?

Captivity


Many "believers" will remain in spiritual Babylon and die there because they never knew the difference between the real and Satan’s greatest counterfeit. The majority of “Christians” are seduced by the harlot because they have followed after the appeal of their natural minds. They may evangelize, but will only grow their numbers bound in captivity within Babylon, just like the Jews when they also were in captivity.

The Holy Spirit is drawing more and more out of the traditional "church" system to become overcomers. They have heard God’s voice and want to be prepared for His return by making themselves ready. They have heeded the call to come out of submission of the world system and overcome it.

It is important to examine what you truly love and the objects of your affection. The leaders who boast their denominations with membership, evangelism, healing, and attendance are manifesting pride, not humility. The modern “church” is equivalent to the great tower of Babylon with all the comforts that appeal to the carnality of the flesh and the pride of man.

One of the important distinctions between the Kingdom of God and Babylon is that one is invisible and the other is visible. It is difference between seeing with the eyes of the flesh, or of the Spirit.



Babylon is written on the foreheads of its citizens from the brainwashing of the corrupt traditions of man. Many who come out of her through renewing their minds realise the disillusionment of many who cannot imagine being a follower of Jesus Christ apart from the harlot system. The good news is that once the shackles of organized religion come off there is so much freedom and clarity. Unfortunately, those who leave one system are often are enticed by another tower, or they attempt to build one themselves.

The traditions and practices that many have accepted within the traditional "church" system are rooted in the ideologies of ancient Babylon. Many are ignorant and blind to this knowledge because they have not compared, contrasted or questioned the teachings of the spiritual and religious leaders with the Word of God. The ekklesia are built on the foundation of Jesus Christ with a mind set on listening to the Holy Spirit and obeying His Word.

The Antichrist "church" is a blatant departure from God and His Word. It is an inward and outward corruption that manifests in conforming to the world. Once the salt of the earth with its preservation capabilities leave, the world will ultimately climax in corruption. The apostate Antichrist "churches" are under the leadership of devil inspired men, and the god in whom they serve is Satan. Many have joined the "church" that call itself "Christian," yet is in spiritual adultery with the godless pagan practices of the world. They are like Judas Iscariot (son of perdition) who profess to follow Christ, but deny the Son of God.

Here is Part 2 that expands on this theme called Church Government. God Bless

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graceinus 3 years ago from those of the Ekklesia

PlanksandNails- I would like to provide a more detailed comment than I have time for right now. Therefore I will come back to this Hub about the Anti-Christ church at a later time. For now I believe much of what you have written is true. But I would like to add in my two cent worth if you don't mind. Also I have not forgotten about the Seven Thunders Hub # 4 regarding your last comment. I mentioned I will get back with you on it. That still holds. I just wanted to let you know I have not forgotten.

Many Blessings.


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lambservant 3 years ago from Pacific Northwest

I think I hear what you say the Church shouldn't be but is. I think there are some significant problems in the Church today. But I am not going to offer an opinion just yet either. I am just curious, in your own life, do you go to church? Do you engage in regular corporate worship? What do you see correct biblical corporate worship looking like?


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lifegate 3 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA

Hi PandN,

Out of all you've written, I think your thought in the following quote really needs to be taken to heart by so many. It saddens me to see what "religion" has done. Anyway - your quote: " Without obeying the Holy Spirit, the rule of the clergy will take over instead. To be a true participator in expanding the kingdom of God requires being under the authority of God rather than popular views of man-made ideologies and their hierarchical structures. This means that our wills need to conform to God’s will, not to man." Thanks for sharing.


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PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Graceinus,

If this article has piqued something in you to add, or comment on, it is always greatly appreciated. Of course, when time permits. :-) God Bless.


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PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Lambservant,

I do not go to "church" because I am the Church. I don't go into a "church", but go out as the Church. When we look at "church" through the lens of "corporate worship," it objectively looks like attending within a four-walled building. Many call this "worship," while I consider worship a lifestyle of listening and obeying God. This perspective has caused a paradigm shift from my old way of thinking that has taken many years for me to fully grasp. It has taken time by the grace of Jesus Christ to shed the counterfeit that was ingrained in me most of my life.

Corporate worship is a group of people consulting with the Holy Spirit and following the teaching of Jesus Christ who do not have titles, but function with their gifts as a family united in one Spirit serving one another, and taking the Gospel out to the world. Attending an institutional building is not required. It is not about feeling secure in a visible structure on a street corner calling people to come inside it. When someone says,"Which church do you belong to?" or "Who do you submit to?" most of them are unaware that these are wordly concepts. Jesus Christ came to set the captives free from the religious Babylonian system.

The Churches in the Bible were named after their locality, such as Corinth, or Jerusalem. There were no denominations, but only referred to as a locality. The true Church acknowledges everyone collectively as disciples, not members. The biggest opposition to Paul was Judaism and paganism. Today, it is the same with traditional "church," which syncretizes pagan ideologies wrapped in religion, and then they call it"worship."

Do I go to church? This question refers to man-made organisational structures. The true Church is part of only one family; therefore, I would hope that we are brothers and sisters in Christ, but I do not go into the man-made structures that restrain and contain.

I realise this subject may be difficult to swallow all at once and may require some time to digest as this theme can go much deeper, but please feel free to poke and prod.


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PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Lifegate,

Thank-you for the affirmation and your desire to expand His Kingdom, not your own.


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lambservant 3 years ago from Pacific Northwest

Thanks for clarifying planks. I believe you are absolutely correct that we are the Church in the broad sense, and in the most important sense. We are ultimately under the authority of God. However, my read of Acts and many of the epistles tells me they met together to read the word, pray etc. and leaders. We are also commanded to not forsake the assembling together (Heb. 10:25). I know Christian's who do not gather with other Christian's regularly (church, or Bible study or other ways), and their lives are no more exemplary than those in churches. I find them to be kind of hard, or else in their own little world and do not engage in ministering to others. This is not true of all, but many I have met.

I believe it is biblical and necessary to meet with our brothers and sisters for fellowship, encouragement, to pray, read the word together. I don't go to church to worship a building. The building is not the issue for me and most people I know. It's simply a meeting place, not what church is all about. I mean this respectfully, but I think your emphasis on a building is off or I am misunderstanding what you mean.

All that being said, I am very concerned about how church is being conducted today. The quote lifegate mentioned says it pretty well. But these dangers were present in the New Testament day. The Church is people, God's people, and though we are declared righteous because his payment for us on the cross, we still sin and there are problems in and out of the "building."

I believe God has from the beginning called men into shepherding the flock. Jesus of course is the Great Shepherd, but he told Peter feed my sheep. Timothy and many others were called to lead in specific churches. There were good leaders and good churches and bad leaders and bad churches. It will continue to be so because the church is human beings. I don't think it's a case for saying meeting together as "church" is wrong as a blanket statement. Church is not wrong or bad in and of itself, it's how church is conducted and lead. Much of what you say of today's church I would agree with, but it is not true of all churches.

Certainly we have some huge problems today within the Body in the local church setting and out of it, but if that's all we focus on the love will drain right out of you. I hope my perception is incorrect.

I think church serves a purpose, but it is ailing for sure. My heart is grieved for a number of reasons, but I can't say it's true of all churches. Paul spent a lot of time correcting and the seven churches in Rev. were too. But many were commended. Not every church leader is out to build their own kingdom. Lifegate is a pastor and he's the last pastor on earth I see as seeking to build his own kingdom. My current pastor is not that way, and I have been to churches where it was true.

So let me ask you this: You don't go to church. Are you against studying praying and fellowshiping with other believers in any setting? If so, could you explain that perspective from the Bible. Are you against ministering to others in an organized manner, such as working in a soup kitchen, other such things.

I guess my major concern with this hub is that you make blanket statements. Glad to keep the dialogue going though. Your serve.


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PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Lambservant,

("We are also commanded to not forsake the assembling together")

True, but you will find no command in scripture which says that a believer in Jesus Christ must attend a "church" building in order to worship God. Can you show me any Scripture verses that show any follower of Christ going to a church building to worship God. The fact is that the true Church worshiped God by their obedience to Him in every area of life, every day of their lives. They did not worship Him by giving only one hour of their time every week to some temple made with hands.

The modern "church" is a temple built with man's hands.

Yet the Most High does not dwell in houses made by hands - Acts 7:48

The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man - Acts 17:24

The command in Hebrews 10:25 ,"exhort one another" is also found in Hebrews 3:13, where it says we are to "exhort one another daily". If you claim to obey Hebrews 10:25 by "attending church" one day a week, do you also fulfill the command to exhort one another daily, when we see other believers only once a week?

The isolationism of the "church" building is contrary to God's Spirit. The Church is not about the place where we worship, but how we worship.

I don't believe it is a requirement of believers to engage in a certain kind of meeting with credentialed officers to do a specified ritual of acts, which are called "attending church."

("Much of what you say of today's church I would agree with, but it is not true of all churches.")

I made distinctions between the true Church and the counterfeit one. It is one or the other. When you say "ALL" churches you are referring to a plurality. There is only one true Church that is made up of living stones.

("I think church serves a purpose, but it is ailing for sure.")

Are you talking about the "church" as a building building, or people? The purpose of the Church as people are to expand the Kingdom of God.

("My heart is grieved for a number of reasons, but I can't say it's true of all churches.")

Again, there is only one Church, one Bride. Apart from that can only be counterfeit version.

("The quote lifegate mentioned says it pretty well.")

That is the quote he used from my article that I had made to make the distinction between the true Church and the counterfeit one.

("So let me ask you this: You don't go to church. Are you against studying praying and fellowshiping with other believers in any setting?")

I don't go to "church" because I am the Church. I go out and minister to others in need. Church is not a building, but it is a lifestyle.


graceinus 3 years ago from those of the Ekklesia

PandN- As I had mentioned in my first comment above I believe much of your Hub is true. However, I believe it is only the tip of the iceberg when we are speaking of the anti-Christ (church). The subject of the Anti-Christ is only mentioned in three verses in the bible and yet it has become one of the bigger issue for christians in our time. Most ministery that teach on this subject tend to mislead those within the so called christian faith.

The three verses that speak of the anti-Christ are found in 1 John. These verses make if very clear what an anti-Christ is. One of these verses is 1 John 2:22 (NKJV) which states: 22 Who is a lier but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is anti-Christ who denies the Father and Son.

This one verses alone is very important to note. It is very clear. It explains that "WHO IS A LIER BUT HE WHO DENIES JESUS IS THE CHRIST. So I will ask you this question. How many people today denies Jesus is the Christ. And how many people in the time of Jesus ministery denied He was the Christ.

Now we come to another verse in 1 John 4:2-3 (NKJV) which states: 2By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jeus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Anti-Christ, which you have heard is coming, and is now ALREADY in the world.

I believe many christian have place a limit on what an anti-Christ is. What I mean by this is we tend to limit the influence of the anti-christ (church) to only those who claim to be Christians or I should say false christian churches. In other words we have placed the anti-christ into a box. That the spirit of the anti-christ has an effect only on those who are (claim to be) christians. While I do believe this is true I don't believe it is limited to just christian believers. I believe this applies to ALL religions of the world. All religions are blinded from the truth. The spirit of the anti-christ has an effect or influence in every religion on earth not just Christian churches, but all religions.

Please follow me as I explain.

Just like there is only one true church that Jesus Christ built, there is also one anti-christ (church). Both are spiritual. The true church that christ built are those who truly believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and confesses that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. This is the spiritual Church that Christ built. The Anti-Christ (church) are all of those religions and non believer out there and false christian churches. This encludes those who do not believe in God at all or His Son. This is most of the world's population as we see it today. The whole world has been blinded. Those who are in the world (anti-Christ), but not of the world (Christ true church).

The spirit of the anti-Christ has been trying to influence man for the past 2000 years. Ever since Jesus Christ ministery. Just think of how many times people wanted to try to kill Jesus Christ during His ministery. How many times they ploted against Him. To stop Him from preaching the Kingdom of God. This is what John meant when He said the anti-christ is already in the world. The spirit of the anti-christ was already working against Jesus Christ during His ministery on earth.

Many people may not realize that not believing in Jesus Christ IS a sin. It is one of the greatest sin. If one looks at John 16: 8-9 it states: And when He come, He will convict the WORLD of SIN, and of righteouness, and of judgement; " of SIN, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN ME:" Because they don't believe in Him (meaning Jesus Christas the Son of God) is the spirit of the anti-christ's influence on mankind.

In this verse above Jesus was explaining that He would send the Holy Spirit and what the Holy Spirit will do. Convict the world of SIN because they don't believe in HIM (Jesus Christ). And this is one of the unforgiveable sin(s).

In 1John 2:18 (NKJV) it states: 18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the anti-Christ is coming; even now MANY anti-Christ have come, by which we know it is the last hour.

Therefore we have two powers at work here. Both can have an influence on our free will. And our free will , even if we don't realize it, will choose one or the other. The spirit of the anti-Christ and the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit). It's a battle between good and evil. Light and darkness. The Kingdom of Light or the Kingdom of Darkness. The Church that Christ built or the anti-Christ (church).

The subject of the anti-Christ is under rated by false christian churches. Those christian churches who teach on the subject of the anti-christ are focused to much on the anti-christ as it has it's effect solely on christians when in fact it has a grip on the whole world to include many christians.

God Bless


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PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Graceinus,

You are correct that the term "antichrist" is the tip of the iceberg. I agree the the antichrist spirit includes all other false religions including those who do not believe in God that encompasses the system of the world.

I would like to add that anti-, the prefix in Greek has a twofold meaning. Antichrist means opposed to, against, or denying the Son of God, but also means, in the place of, or a substitute. This means that the antichrist spirit can oppose in a real objective way, or in a clever, deceptive counterfeit way pretending to be Jesus Christ.

A good example of the origins of the modern "church" come from the ideologies of Constantine who was a pagan that had a phony conversion. He took paganism and Christianity and blended both together (holy and profane), thus creating the modern "church" that is the false form of Christianity expressed in most of the "church" buildings today. Constantine became a hero amongst both pagans and "Christians."

I believe the antichrist spirit is deceptively masked in ecumenicalism today. It is a deceptive false doctrine of unity and peace that is not in one accord with Jesus Christ.

Thank-you for your additions, they are greatly appreciated.


Neil Braithaite 3 years ago

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. Matthew 23:13-15 Jesus calls the Scribes, Pharisees AND their converts Children of HELL! Does this apply to today's corporate churches and their paid pastors? www.HonorGodsWord.com


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lambservant 3 years ago from Pacific Northwest

Christian's are indeed called to live as the Bride of Christ every day. We are the Church as you say. Christian's must bear fruit by obeying God as you said. Everything we do should be as unto the Lord. Going to a "building" we call "church" does not necessarily mean we are or are not living out our faith when we leave the doors on Sunday morning. Millions live out their faith daily and still go to church. A sweeping comment like that is not correct in my book. Millions of people cannot be judged as once a week Christian's just because there are some here and there. There are believers who do not go to church and fail to live their faith daily also. I think it's a bit unfair to consider all those who attend church think that is all there is to being a follower of Christ.

"...you will find no command in scripture which says that a believer in Jesus Christ must attend a "church" building in order to worship God. Can you show me any Scripture verses that show any follower of Christ going to a church building to worship God." Just because it doesn't tell us we must meet in a "building" called "church, doesn't mean it's wrong. The Bible does not tell us not to either. The Bible doesn't tell us to do a lot of things, but that doesn't mean everything it doesn't tell us is wrong. To assemble together is a command and demonstrated throughout the NT. You don't like the words "building" and "church," and think it wrong to go to one, but it doesn't matter what you call it or where we meet, we are to meet, period, and most people meet in a building or structure. Whether the structure is called a "church" or a house, it doesn't matter. The point is we are called to meet.. We are called to love and care for one another, encourage one another and bring other to Christ and minister to the lost. Unity of the spirit of course is commanded, and though it is not specifically using the words "building" and "church", it is nearly impossible for the Body of Christ (greater Church) to have the kind of unity Christ talks about if Christian's never meet or work together. We can impact the world for Christ individually and as a group, but I think the greatest impact is made in groups.

The disciples met in the upper room Acts 1:12-14, and in homes to break bread and daily in the temple (Acts 2:46-47). They went to the temple to pray. Acts 3:1 Peter and John went to the temple for prayer. Acts 4:31 a group of Christians were praying and the place (a structure of some sort) was shaken and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit. Acts 5:12 they were together in Solomon's porch. Vs 21 Peter was teaching in the temple. vs 42 they were daily in the temple and in every house teaching and preaching Jesus as Christ. The apostles were preaching the gospel to the Jews, but they did meet there to pray as well. The Apostle Paul was teaching in a building when Eutychus fell out the window. In Rom 16 speaking of Priscilla and Aquilla, the Romans are to greet the church that is in their house.

I see you are also concerned about church government and denominations. I think you are right about denominations 1Cor. 1:11-13, 3:4. Not all churches (local churches) belong to a denomination, however.

The idea of church leaders is very biblical. If, for arguments sake, I agree that you are correct that we should not meet in a "building" called "church", the issue of having church leaders still applies. They don't rule the Church at large, but local assemblies. Timothy was set as a leader, not as a pastor as we have today, but he was sent as an official representative of an Apostle, Paul, to deal with special problems and situations in various churches. That is a leadership or administrative role. 1 and 2 Tim and Titus Paul tells us the qualifications for church leaders elders deacons bishops. Acts 11: 27-30 talks about Saul and Barnabas assigned to bring an offering to the elders to help the church in Jerusalem. In eph. 4:11 we read gifts are given to be apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers for the equipping of the saints for the work of service. 1 Peter 5:1 says "To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder...vs 2 says shepherd the flock of God which is among you, as overseers... he then goes on to tell them to take care not to abuse that office (not all do). Paul and Peter had some apostolic authority. All throughout the NT Christian's are ministering together as well as individually.

Christ is the head of the Church, and he is are ultimate authority. But he has called men and women to leadership roles under the Holy Spirit's power and guidance to help oversee the churches (whether in a building called church or just groups of believers meeting together), not to usurp God's authority, to teach, and equip the saints to follow God's authority and commands.

You said the Church is not about the place we worship, but how we worship. You are correct, but that does not negate the meeting together of the saints, and it doesn't mean that Christian's who meet together disregard worship outside of the "building" called "church". It is in the unity of believers that we do the work God has called us to. The works being a result of being followers of Christ, not instead of.

You said "Are you talking about the "church" as a building building, or people. The purpose of the Church as people are to expand the Kingdom of God." My understanding, and it appears we will have to agree to disagree, is that there is the Church which is the body or bride of Christ, all believers, and as you say and we are to expand the Kingdom of God. I don't think it biblical that we do so as individuals only. So, as the Church at large cannot all be together physically at one time to do the work together (not just individually), my reading of the Bible shows we have local churches (that's the Bibles words not mine), or gatherings, or assemblies in various places, (as you said at one point in different cities Ephesus, galatia, etc.) who make up the greater body. We work together in our communities and expand outward.

"I don't go to "church" because I am the Church...Church is not a building, but it is a lifestyle." Again, I agree with being the Church, but I think it biblical that we are also to meet and minister and worship together as well. Church with a little "c" is not the same as Church capital "C". And I think that is clear in the Bible. And church little c is not meant to disregard or usurp the Church. If a business corporation (I am not implying the church or Church is a corporation) is made up of say 5000 people but they have different offices at different locations, the people that work in the offices are a part of the corporation at large. I think this is a discussion we will probably never come to agreement on. That's okay. You are still a brother and I am a sister, we are the Church, and we still have areas of agreement in some things. Blessings Planks.


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lifegate 3 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA

@ lambservant,

The Greek word for church (ἐκκλησία, ekklēsia) means "a called out assembly" especially referring to a "religious" congregation. The word itself indicates 1. a calling out from the world, from 2. where we are to form an assembly, a meeting. There can be no doubt that even though Christ died for His church as individuals, He also planned for those of like faith to meet corporately. You brought that out very well.

I am a pastor -God's calling on my life. That can't be changed by anyone but God Himself. I think we can both agree that He did not intend to lead me into sin by calling me into church leadership. If that's His will for my life then obviously it's His will that there be those in the congregation. I don't rule the congregation. I'm one of them. But pastor or not, I would dry up and whither away spiritually if not for regular meetings with God's people.

We serve God corporately as well as individually in the community at God's bidding and He alone is worthy of the honor and glory He receives. I said all that to say this - that is not the purpose of many churches. Many are self-willed and dictatorial leaving no room for the Holy Spirit to do His work. Still as you point out, congregational meetings are Biblical as you pointed out. What goes on behind the doors is what makes the difference.


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lambservant 3 years ago from Pacific Northwest

Thanks for your information LG. I did not know what the word church meant. As I was preparing my answer I thought about looking up the word church but it was late and I didn't.

I agree Lifegate that there are self-willed and dictatorial church leaders, and we have churches that are weak in their leadership, but my focus was just in showing that God has called leaders to oversee the church. As long we are this side of heaven there will be leaders who misuse and abuse that calling and privilege. I am sad when people lump them in with all the ones who lead as they were called. We just cannot make it all or no one. Just my opinion.


graceinus 3 years ago from those of the Ekklesia

lifegate and lambservant - It is very evident to me that you both still don't have a clue of what PlanksandNails is trying to explain in this Hub. And that's the difference between the Church that Christ built and the churches you both are still trying to hang on to. Both of you still don't get the point.


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PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Neil Braithaite,

Thanks for reading and the link you provided.


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lifegate 3 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA

PandN and/or graceinus,

Since I obviously "don't get it", are you saying that if I agree with the main points (Holy Spirit control; no hierarchy, a renewing of the mind in Christ, seeking to serve Him and only Him, etc.), but yet attend a meeting in a building I'm wrong? Just trying to clarify.


graceinus 3 years ago from those of the Ekklesia

lifegate- The point iof the Hub is the ANTICHRIST CHURCH and how it relates to churches toady. In every thing you've written so far you and lambservant have not mentioned it once. Good or bad. Nothing.


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lifegate 3 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA

Put it in simple words for us simple people - what do you mean by the antichrist church? I'm not sure I'm thinking the same thing you are.


graceinus 3 years ago from those of the Ekklesia

lifegate- The title of this Hub is; " The Antichrist Church" how could you miss it.


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PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Lambservant,

I want to clarify that I believe that followers of Jesus Christ should assemble together, but not within the structure of a man-made system. As you pointed out with Biblical evidence, the Church did not assemble at one particular loacation, or the same building, but Church was at many different locations. In the same manner, I assemble with other brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ outside the confines of the institutionalized "church" in various buildings and locations.

Most people that do assemble at the same location every week do so under the umbrella of a particular denomination, which is unbiblical.

I realize that you attend a building called "church" and that does not mean that those who do are not followers of Jesus Christ. If you reread this article I have made distinctions and reasons why I believe the "church" as a building is not a good thing. Lifegate defined ekklesia as a called out assembly. When "church" is defined as going into a building with pews, a stage, and podium, it necessitates the architecture of the world system. A called out assembly would change the meaning from attending in "church" to attending as Church.

I have written articles that clarify in more detail the structure of man-made "church" sytem in articles here: http://hub.me/afuLw , http://hub.me/afaL1 , http://hub.me/aeNYy , and http://hub.me/afTCQ that you may want to peruse for futher details.

Do I believe in Church leaders? Of course I do, but if they are salaried to serve, promote tithing, and are part of promoting a particular denomination etc.., it compromises the faith and hinders the expansion of God's Kingdom.

As I sated in this article, "This article is not for those who believe that “church” is a building as it will bring offense, but for those who are wrestling with the concept of church and the disillusionment of organised religion that is the modern “church.”

("I am sad when people lump them in with all the ones who lead as they were called.")

I hope you were not implying that I do. I believe I have clearly made distinctions.

I appreciate the time you have taken to write down your comments. I realize this message is not going to appeal to everyone. My goal is to provoke thought and encourage others to investigate further themselves. I plan on expanding on this theme with a few more articles as the subject has a lot of layers to it.


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lifegate 3 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA

graceinus,

So you can't answer my question in simple terms? It's not a question of how could I miss it. The point is, I did. So if you're not willing to be helpful and help an ignorant brother, that's okay. What I'm getting is that an antichrist church is anyone that meets for public worship, and in your estimation that's not acceptable.


graceinus 3 years ago from those of the Ekklesia

lifegate- I deeply apologize for the way I commented towards you. You are right, I should be more helpful. There are times I am blunt and direct which at times is not helpful to anyone.

I believe the best approach now would be to re-read the Hub now that you are aware of the title which will allow you to see it from a different perspective than what you first understood it to be. I say this because this Hub has a very detailed appoach on the subject of the anti-christ and it influence on christian churches today.

Again my apologies


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lifegate 3 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA

No problem!

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