The Ascension of Christ and the ‘In Like Manner' Question

The Ascension of Christ, Rembrandt Van Rijn (1606-1669)
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Introduction

The 'In Like Manner' Question

Most scholars today, especially the proponents of Dispensationalism, insist Christ will return in the future 'in like manner' to His ascension, with emphasis on Him returning with the same body in which He ascended.

By allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture I will seek to prove otherwise. In my opinion, 'in like manner' does not mean in 'exact same' manner.

Will Christ really return with the same body in which He ascended? Let us examine the implications of such a claim.

The Ascension and Christ's Second Coming

  • Act 1:9-11 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

The following comparisons reveal little similarity between these events:

Angels

  • 2Th 1:7-8 KJV And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

  • Mat 25:31 KJV When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Only two angels appeared at the ascension…Acts 1:10, but the Scriptures teach Christ would return with all the holy angels.

Trumpet

  • Mat 24:31 KJV And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Jesus ascended silently, yet those who propose a future return believe He will come with the literal sound of a trumpet.

Every Eye

  • Rev 1:7 KJV Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Jesus ascended visibly in the presence of a handful of disciples; Dispensationalism teaches that literally every eye shall see Him at His return.

White Horse

  • Rev 19:11 KJV And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Jesus did not ascend on a white horse!

'Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more...'

  • Joh 14:19 KJV Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

A major premise of Dispensationalism is that Jesus will return in the same body and physical appearance in which He ascended. Obviously, to accommodate the theory that He will literally sit on a throne in Jerusalem; even although He said ‘Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more’.

The Ascension and John’s Vision of Christ

  • Rev 1:13-16 KJV And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

Jesus appeared to John on Patmos in His post-ascension form, and what he described was resplendently different to the Jesus he had known.

Although He is the same Jesus there can be no doubt His appearance now emphasises His glorification and deity.

Daniel's Prophecy

  • Dan 7:13 KJV I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

John could only say that the One he saw was like the Son of Man described by Daniel in his Messianic prophecy.

  • 1Jn 1:1 KJV That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

'and our hands have handled' John had seen and touched Jesus during His earthly ministry; he witnessed His transfiguration and was one of those taught by Him for forty days after His resurrection. If we also take into consideration the post resurrection appearances of Christ to 500 witnesses, we must conclude they already knew what Jesus looked like. Yet, clearly there was a significant difference between Christ prior to His ascension and Christ of the Revelation.

  • 1Jn 3:2 KJV Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

'for we shall see him as he is' John wrote in his 1st Epistle ‘it doth not yet appear what we shall be’ then added ‘when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is’. Why did John make this statement if he believed Jesus would return looking the same as at His ascension?

A Quote from Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible

1 John 3:2 'John had seen his glory on the mount when he was transfigured; and this we find was ineffably grand; but even this must have been partially obscured, in order to enable the disciples to bear the sight, for they were not then like him. But when they shall be like him, they shall see him as he is - in all the splendor of his infinite majesty.’

John was anticipating the imminent parousia of the glorified Christ, coming in His majesty and deity!

The Transfiguration of Christ

The Transfiguration of Christ, Raphael (1483-1520)
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The transfiguration was a vision of the passing away of the Old Covenant glory, symbolized by the departing of Moses and Elijah…Luke 9:33; thereby making way for the greater New Covenant glory of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The Ascension and Christ at the Transfiguration

The Transfiguration Was a Vision of the Passing Away of the Old Covenant Age

  • Mat 17:2 KJV And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
  • Mat 17:3-5 KJV And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. 4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Peter did not fully understand the significance of the vision. By suggesting three tabernacles, he may have thought the three persons were of equal greatness and stature.

  • Luk 9:35-36 KJV And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. 36 And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen.

However, Peter was left in no doubt as to whom the greatest glory belonged when the voice of the Lord spoke out of the cloud.

  • Heb 8:13 KJV In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The transfiguration was a vision of the passing away of the Old Covenant glory, symbolised by the departing of Moses and Elijah…Luke 9:33; thereby making way for the greater New Covenant glory of the Lord Jesus Christ.

When did the Old Covenant vanish away? It ended at the time of the destruction of the temple, Jerusalem, and the dispersion of the Jews in AD 70.

Since Jesus promised to return during the lifetime of His generation, we must concur that the second coming of Christ and the establishment of the New Covenant Age took place simultaneously.

The Transfiguration Was Also a Vision of the Glorified Christ of the Parousia

  • 2Pe 1:16 KJV For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

Peter in his 2nd Epistle was able to proclaim to the scoffers he was an eyewitness of 'Christ's majesty’. He had seen the glorified Christ and preached His imminent return with conviction.

  • Luk 19:15 KJV And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.

'having received the kingdom' Although the ascension concluded Jesus’ earthly ministry as He entered into the heavenly Holy of Holies, it was the commencement of His heavenly priesthood and kingship.

The parousia was a glorious occasion when the ‘King of Kings and Lord of Lords’ returned having received His Kingdom.

The Conversion of St Paul

The Conversion of St Paul, Caravaggio (1573-1610)
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The Ascension and Paul's Vision of Christ

  • Act 9:3-7 KJV And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: 4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. 7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

'Who art thou, Lord?' No doubt Paul heard many first hand accounts and descriptions of Jesus, but he did not recognise this Jesus. The encounter left him trembling and astonished.

Once again, we have a vision of the glorified Christ. If Jesus was to return in His resurrection body, why do we constantly find manifestations of a transformed Christ after His ascension?

Noli me tangere

Noli me tangere, Titian (c1488-1576)
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The Ascension and Christ at His Resurrection

Some scholars today teach that Jesus rose from the dead in His glorified body. In my opinion, Jesus rose from the dead in the same body placed in the tomb; His glorification took place after the ascension.

Others claim He received His glorified body having been taken up to heaven soon after the resurrection, but prior to His ascension. This is based on their interpretation of John 20:17.

  • Joh 20:17 KJV Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Touch me not’ Jesus did not restrain Mary from touching Him for any spiritual reason, He simply wanted Mary to go quickly and inform the dejected disciples of the good news of His resurrection.

A Quote from Adam Clarke's Commentary of the Bible

John 20:17 'Touch me not - Μη μου ἁπτου, Cling not to me. Ἁπτομαι has this sense in Job_31:7, where the Septuagint use it for the Hebrew דבק dabak, which signifies to cleave, cling, stick, or be glued to. From Mat_28:9, it appears that some of the women held him by the feet and worshipped him. This probably Mary did; and our Lord seems to have spoken to her to this effect: “Spend no longer time with me now: I am not going immediately to heaven - you will have several opportunities of seeing me again: but go and tell my disciples, that I am, by and by, to ascend to my Father and God, who is your Father and God also. Therefore, let them take courage.'
  • Joh 20:27 KJV Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

'Thomas, Reach hither thy finger' It is assumed because Jesus discouraged Mary from touching Him, but later invited Thomas to thrust his hand into His side, that He had ascended to His Father during the intervening period.

  • Mat 28:9-10 KJV And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him. 10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

However, in Matthew's account of the resurrection, Jesus did not forbid the women from touching or worshipping Him! Therefore, the change in His appearance took place at His glorification after the ascension.

Jesus Walking on the Sea

Jesus Walking on the Sea, Gustave Dor (1832-1883)
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Christ in the Midst v Walking on the Sea

  • Joh 20:26 KJV And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

'the doors being shut' It is also unsustainable to claim that Jesus’ resurrected body was His glorified body because He could appear in a room with all the doors closed.

  • Mat 14:26 KJV And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear.

The occasion when Jesus walked on the sea repudiates this; it was equally miraculous and occurred prior to the resurrection.

The motive behind this hypothesis is to support the eschatological position held by scholars who demand a less glorified Christ, to accommodate their theory that Christ in His resurrection form will sit in the temple in Jerusalem during the 'millennium'.

  • Act 2:34-35 KJV For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

Sit thou on my right hand’ Christ's enthronement did not happen directly after His resurrection; Jesus spent forty days with His disciples before that glorious event.

Jesus was to be King not only over Israel; He was to be King of Kings.

Peter declared Christ's resurrection from the dead…Acts 2:22, and thereby Jesus was the recipient of the promise made to David that his descendant would sit on his throne…Acts 2:30-33.

Where was the throne located?

Peter made it clear; the Messiah would sit on the throne of David in heaven, not on earth.

Christ now appears in all the glory of His deity, not as He was before or after the resurrection, but as He is since His ascension and glorification!

The Ascension and the Glorified Christ

  • Joh 17:5 KJV And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

After His ascension, Christ received the glory that was His before the foundation of the world. Once again adorned with the resplendent glory of the second person of the Trinity.

  • Php 2:9-11 KJV Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

The Father highly exalted Him in recognition of His triumph over sin and 'the death'.

The Ascension and the Cloud of the Lord

Tthe significance of the ‘cloud of the Lord’ is the only common denominator. The theophanic cloud of the Lord was the visible manifestation of the divine presence.

The Old Covenant 'Cloud of the Lord'

  • Exo 24:17-18 KJV And the sight of the glory of the LORD was like devouring fire on the top of the mount in the eyes of the children of Israel. 18 And Moses went into the midst of the cloud, and gat him up into the mount: and Moses was in the mount forty days and forty nights.

'Moses went into the midst of the cloud, and gat him up unto the mount’ Here we find an Old Testament type and foreshadow of Christ and His ascension. Moses entered the cloud and returned after ‘forty' days; a cloud also conveyed Christ into Heaven, and He returned after 'forty' years.

  • Exo 34:29 KJV And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses knew not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with him.

Moses not only ascended the mount, but while there he received the Old Covenant, likewise when Christ ascended to the Father, He received the New Covenant.

  • Exo 34:30 KJV And when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone; and they were afraid to come nigh him.

  • Rev 1:16 KJV And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

Moses’ appearance changed having been in the presence of the Lord, the appearance of Jesus at His return was even more glorious.

The New Covenant 'Cloud of the Lord'

  • 2Co 3:7-11 KJV But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

'much more that which remaineth is glorious' The New Covenant glory eclipsed the glory of the Old Covenant.

The glorified Christ returned in majesty on the ‘cloud of the Lord’, having neither the identical appearance with which He ascended, nor with a mere cumulus cloud.

  • Act 1:9 KJV And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

  • Rev 14:14 KJV And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

A Quote from Baker's Evangelical Dictionary

‘The Old Testament. The Literal Cloud. Natural phenomena involving clouds are depicted occasionally in the Old Testament, but far from being only "natural," these are invariably linked with the direct activity of God…’‘The Theophanic/Eschatological Cloud. The remaining twenty-two New Testament occurrences of the word "cloud" appear in the context of theophany, and encompass six theologically crucial, eschatologically related events or visionary scenes in salvation history: (1) the pillar of cloud at the exodus, viewed as a type of Christian baptism in the time of eschatological fulfillment (1 Cor 10:1-2); (2) Jesus' transfiguration, as a foretaste of the kingdom of God, during which the Father appears and speaks in a cloud (Matt 17:5; Mark 9:7; Luke 9:34); (3) Jesus' ascension, explained by the angels as a paradigm for his return (Acts 1:9); (4) the "mighty angel" descending from heaven wrapped in a cloud, announcing (against the eschatological backdrop of (Dan 12:7) that time should be no longer (Rev 10:1); (5) the two resurrected witnesses ascending to heaven in a cloud, described in the context of the eschatological measuring of the temple of God (Rev11:12); and (6) Jesus' parousia, against the backdrop of Daniel 7:13, as the Son of Man coming with/on/in a cloud/the clouds/the clouds of heaven (Matt 24:30; 26:64; Mark 13:26;14:62; Luke12:54; 21:27; 1 Thess 4:17; Rev 1:7; 14:14-16)’.

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Conclusion

Mat 16:27 KJV For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

The effulgent glory of Christ's deity shone through at His return; that was not evident at the ascension. The emphasis at the second coming was the glorified Christ, coming in the glory of the Father.

What do you think?

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Alexander Gibb

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Comments 31 comments

Lone Ranger 4 years ago

Searchinsany:

Quality scholarship as always and always well presented.

I have a question for you, if you don't mind me asking. But, do you think that the angels seen in the clouds above the skies of Jerusalem in A.D. 70, as written by Josephus, was the actual "Second Coming" of our Lord?

If not, what do you think was happening and why do you think the angels were there?

The above referrence to this account of Josephus is found in The Jewish War: Book 6; Chapter 5; sections 297-300 from which we read:

(297) "...on the one and twentieth day of the month Artemisius, a certain great and incredible phenomenon appeared: I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it,

(298) and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sunsetting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen

(299) running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities. Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner court of the temple, as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise,

(300) and after that they heard a great sound as of a great multitude, saying 'Let us remove from here.'"

I know this is slightly off-topic, but there are those that say that Christ couldn't have returned because "we are still here" and it should be obvious to all that "the dead have not risen".

What say you? Could the resurrection of the dead have been executed in a different manner then what we might expect? If so, what do you think it could have looked like? If Christ's second coming is a bit different than expected, could the resurrection of the dead also be misunderstood?

I will patiently await your reply. Best wishes - L.R.


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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK Author

Lone Ranger

Thanks again for visiting my Hubs, and for the questions you ask in your comment.

I do believe that the Second Coming of Christ took place in AD 70. Josephus is a highly regarded historian, and his eye witness account makes interesting reading. However, what he recorded is not crucial to my viewpoint; the issue is what do the Scriptures tell us.

Jesus promised an imminent return and all the writers of the New Testament wrote about it with great expectation. Did Jesus get it wrong and give them false hope? Of course not! In my opinion the problem lies with us.

For the sake of brevity, my other Hubs answer many of the issues raised by my presupposition.

The Scriptures state that the Resurrection would take place at Christ’s Return, if Jesus kept His promises then it must have occurred. The Resurrection was not a physical resurrection; it was a spiritual rising of the dead from Hades.

When Jesus returned he fulfilled all God's promises to Old Covenant Israel, which brought an end to the Old Covenant Age. The outward manifestation included the destruction of the Temple, Jerusalem and the dispersion of the Jews in AD 70.

May I hasten to add that my Hub ‘Heresy: Hymenaeus and Philetus’ will clarify my view on the Resurrection in more detail.


Lone Ranger 4 years ago

Thank you, my friend:

Indeed. I, too, had theorized that the resurrection of the "quick and the dead" referred to those dying in faith and those dying in shame, prior to A.D. 70.

I look forward to reading more of your insights!!!

Peace be with you - L.R.


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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK Author

Lone Ranger

Many thanks for your interest in my Hubs, please keep in touch.


Diligent1 4 years ago

Thank you again. I have indeed learned quite a bit. Have you similarly prepared a hub on the subject of 'The Comforter"?


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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK Author

Diligent1

Thank you, I don't have a Hub on 'The Comforter' but it is on my list.


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r-o-y 4 years ago

I read your hub on “The Ascension of Christ” I found it to be very interesting, a little twisted, but interesting. We who have move from the milk of the word to the meat of the word must be able distinguish between something that is meant as a metaphor and something to be interpreted literary. When Jesus walked the earth He was called by many names, The Lamb of God, The Lion of Judah and many other names, but these are not to be taken literary, if we were to take it literary we would expect to find Jesus walking around on all-fours, even though these metaphors do describe His nature and mission, who would say that Jesus walked around with four legs, two horns with wool over His whole body, or who would say that Jesus Had hangs and claws? But scripture clearly states that he is a lamb and Lion! Now as far as the seen in heaven, it is all in a form that the disciple can understand. If Jesus was not presented as a lamb, how would he know it was actually Jesus who approach Jehovah and took the scroll from His and? He knew because just as He was called a lamb on earth, He was presented as a lamb in pictorial form in heaven so that it would all be understandable to the earthling.

Now you quote Rev 19:11 to prove your point but it actually disproves point or the bible is in error and contradicts itself! The verse says that this same Jesus that departed will return the same way. Now if he ascended without a horse and returned with a horse and that it means what you says it meant, then the word of God just contradicted itself, because He should not be on a horse when He returns! Now when we let scripture interpret scripture and not take things out of its context we find that it is impossible for the word to contradict itself. The only possible solution to this problem is that God was talking about the nature of that being at His return and the nature of his return, just as He departed through the sky, he will return bursting through the sky. To get any other interpretation from this is to corrupt the word of God!


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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK Author

r-o-y

Thank you for taking the time to read and comment on my Hub. I have taken on board the points you raised.

Quote ‘…We who have move from the milk of the word to the meat of the word must be able distinguish between something that is meant as a metaphor and something to be interpreted literary…’

I agree entirely, in my Hub ‘The End Times: The Day of the Lord’ I enlarge my view on metaphoric language in Scripture.

Quote ‘…Now when we let scripture interpret scripture and not take things out of its context we find that it is impossible for the word to contradict itself…’

Again I agree entirely, there are no contradictions in the Word of God.

Quote (regarding the white horse) ‘…The only possible solution to this problem is that God was talking about the nature of that being at His return and the nature of his return, just as He departed through the sky, he will return bursting through the sky…’

This statement is similar to my own conclusion. I believe that Jesus ascended in the ‘cloud of the Lord’ and returned in the ‘cloud of the Lord’.

• Act 1:9 KJV And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

• Rev 14:14 KJV And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

I included the illustration of the ‘white horse’ to drive home my point that ‘in like manner’ did not mean ‘in identical manner’, but I am now a little concerned that my point needs more clarity. In my opinion Jesus did not return on a ‘white horse’, John was using metaphoric language.

In most of my ‘End Times’ Hubs I compare my view to Dispensationalism because I believed and taught it for many years. From my experience, this doctrine puts a considerable emphasis on a literal interpretation of the Scriptures, and there are many who believe in a literal ‘white horse’ in Revelation 19:11.

Perhaps other visitors will leave a comment on our discussion.

Many thanks.


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r-o-y 4 years ago

According to scripture Jesus ascended into heaven in a physical man’s body, to prove to doubting Thomas that it was He, the physical man Jesus Christ, he told him to trust his hand into his side and to feel the nail scars in His hands. Now this is the same body that He ascended into heaven with, now nowhere in scripture does it state that he changed, to the contrary scripture states that that same Jesus that we see ascending into heaven is the same Jesus you will return in like manner. So if it was Jesus in a physical body that ascended it will be Jesus in a physical that returns!


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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK Author

r-o-y

Thank you for your comment.

I agree that Jesus arose from the dead in His physical body, but for the reasons stated in this Hub, I believe He returned in His glorified body.

Acts 1:11…I have 19 versions of the Scriptures at my disposal thanks to E-sword, in 14 of the 19 the word ‘same’ does not appear, in one other version ‘same’ is in italics.

Eg (Young’s Literal Translation) Act 1:11 YLT who also said, `Men, Galileans, why do ye stand gazing into the heaven? this Jesus who was received up from you into the heaven, shall so come in what manner ye saw him going on to the heaven.'

In my opinion it was Jesus in person, but in a glorified body.


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r-o-y 4 years ago

There is a verse of scripture that I would like to bring to your attention:

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Now this verse of scripture show Jesus asking His Father to glorify Him, not in the future, but now! The disciples had watch Jesus being beating, nailed to a cross in humiliation, stripped naked before the world and appearing defeated. The disciple were full of fear at this point, these are the men whose job it would be to build His Church. Now if there is anybody who needed to see Jesus in His glorified form it would be these men who would be mistreated, tortured for His name sake, it would be these men who need to see the Lord in His glorified form. I don’t believe that Jesus asked His Father to glorify Him at some later date, He needed to be glorified before His disciple who had witness His humiliation, if for no other reason than to strengthen them to with-stand the torture and humiliation that laid ahead for them and what glory they could expect to share with Him as He share with His Father if they kept the faith to the end. Remember, these men would have to give up everything, even their very lives to build the Lord’s kingdom on earth, I just find it hard to believe that the Lord would deny these men to witness Him glorified after witnessing His humiliation! So His utterance was NOW, glorified Me!

I notice that you seem to put a lot of faith in the King James Version of the bible when writing your hubs, but when you need to find something to farther a doctrine that is not taught in the King James Version you seem to full back on other translations. New translation bibles are new age bibles and are designed to dispute the Kings James bible in key locations. I would recommend you do an indebt research into these new age bibles. I wrote a hub on how the NIV bible has removed the name of Jesus from their version of the bible in some very important verses or they just remove the whole verse of scripture. They are doing one step at a time what the Jehovah’s Witness did in one great leap, that is to change the word of God by removing everything that doesn’t agree with their false doctrine, and trying to prove that the body that Jesus departed this world in is not the same body that He will return in. This teaching has been spread around the world by Jehovah’s Witness before you and I were even born! Be careful of the tricks of Satan!


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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK Author

r-o-y

Thank you for your comment.

Quote ‘…Now if there is anybody who needed to see Jesus in His glorified form it would be these men who would be mistreated, tortured for His name sake, it would be these men who need to see the Lord in His glorified form…’

I have given examples in this Hub of disciples who experienced the presence of the glorified Christ.

Act 2:32-36 KJV This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

God in His wisdom made provision for the disciples after Christ’s Ascension. Not only was Jesus their High Priest, He was exalted to the throne. The outpouring of the Holy Spirit was evidence that Christ is King.

The disciples were empowered by the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost and were fearless in their proclamation of the Gospel.

Quote ‘…I notice that you seem to put a lot of faith in the King James Version of the bible when writing your hubs, but when you need to find something to farther a doctrine that is not taught in the King James Version you seem to full back on other translations…’

I believe the original Scriptures are the inspired Word of God, and I depend greatly on the King James Version having used it for many years, but I am not KJV only. I do not believe the KJV is a ‘perfect’ translation, which is why I use E-sword with its 19 versions to compare with the KJV.

I agree that we must be very careful when using other versions because some are ‘interpretations’ and not ‘translations’. I try to depend on the witness of the Holy Spirit when studying and trust in His guidance when I think something doesn’t ring true.

My second choice, which I find particularly helpful is Young’s Literal Translation, although it is perfect either.


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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK Author

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(Edit) My second choice, which I find particularly helpful is Young’s Literal Translation, although it is not perfect either.


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Tony L Smith 4 years ago from Macon

Hey Searchinsany, this topic of His return is really one the Father desires to get strait.

Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

If He appears in one physical body, say -over the U.S. for example, Japan would not see Him at the same time. The scriptures definitely are implying something else by this statement.

I would like to believe that Jesus comes and goes from invisible to visible any time He deems it necessary. He could appear and have a cup of drink with you in an allotted time and be gone the next. So therefore this is what the angels might have been implying.

Besides, How many people can gather around one physical man and worship him. It you were a million or two away from Him. you would not even be able to see Him, much less touch Him.

A lot truly has already been fulfilled, some things are being fulfilled as we speak.

Its kinda hard to interpret eternal things with a time framed mind.

Our God is awesome, and He will have His desire. He patiently waits (or endures ) for the precious fruit of the earth

Be blessed my brother

Tony


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r-o-y 4 years ago

I believe that the main purpose of Act 2:32-36 is to prove to the disciples that the statement that Jesus made that He was going to return to the Father was in fact true, and it was them seeing with their own eyes that He was truly at the right hand of Jehovah and this confirms that He is indeed who He said He is. This verse shows His position in the Holy Trinity and proves that he is the second Person of the Trinity, but nowhere in this verse is there any indication that there was any change in His being. Exalted means He was left form the earth and seated in heaven at the right hand of power. I think you may be having problems with the word exalted. People are exalt even in this world to high positions, like the Pope, and still he must eat just like any other man and the food must pass through the digestive track and disposed of just like any other human being, yet he’s been exalted above every other man on earth [by those who are deceived] so being exalted does not necessary mean change in being, but a change in position. None of the verses of scripture that you have given me shows where His being has changed from the being He was at His ascension.

I used King James only because it, and only it, can be the true word of God, because when God freed His People from the Pope and the Church of Rome and gave His church a new start he used King James as His instrument of choice to bring His word His people, a people who were denied the true word of God and given another translation [the Pope’s translation.] Now if I believe in the power of the Lord as I claim then I must believe that He have the power to preserve His word. It would be a weak God that would remove His people form the power of the beast and not be able to put His true in their hand for their new beginning! He did as much for the Hebrews when He delivered them from the bondage of Egypt, why would He do anything less when he freed His Church from Rome? It was the translations of the word of God by the religious rulers that corrupted and deceived the Jews of that day, it is the translators of our day that are corrupting the body of Christ, that was Satan’s method of operating than and it is still his method of doing things today, and why not, it worked so well on the Hebrews to the point of it taking the Son of God coming to this world to set the record straight. Now the Church of Christ is repeating the same mistake that the Hebrew made, putting their trust in translators instead of trusting in the lord.

I find it very troubling to watch as Christian writers write about the power of God and yet deny that very power [having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof.] They preach that we are to trust in the Lord and lean not on our own understanding s out of one side of their neck, and then when it comes to understanding the every word of God these very ones that preached that we are no to lean on our own understanding, preach that we should stop trusting in the Lord and lean on the understanding of other fallen and sinful men out of the other side of their neck! This would be very comical if it wasn’t such a serious matter!

When I have a problem with a particular verse of the King James Bible I go to the author of that bible, the Lord Himself to clear the matter up. Maybe it’s just that most Christian writers really don’t believe what they preach, their mouth says one thing and their action shows another! When I set down to write or comment I don’t look for translations that is corrupted and designed to dispute the word of God, I lean not on my own understanding, nor do I lean on the understanding of other men, but I trust and believe God when said it will be given to me what to say when needed as I’m doing in corresponding with you.

Yes, I’m one of those King James and only King James kind of guys!


Diligent1 4 years ago

I stumbled upon perhaps the best kept secret of the Bible. You do not find this in any reference Bible as it does not conform to the common belief regarding the meaning of the resurrection of Christ. I was reading Matthew chapter 9 where I came across verse 13.

13 Go and learn what this means, ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.’ For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.”

Nothing strange so far. I checked the reference and it took me to Hosea 6:6,

For I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.

Nothing extraordinary here either. But then I started reading the entire chapter 6 of Hosea and here are the two verses that most people do not know about:

Hosea 6:1,2

Come, let us return to the Lord;

for he has torn us, that he may heal us;

he has struck us down, and he will bind us up.

2 After two days he will revive us;

on the third day he will raise us up,

that we may live before him.

Bang!


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Did someone delete my post?


Diligent1 4 years ago

r-o-y when Christ was standing in front of Caiaphas He also said that He was at the right hand of power. See Matthew 26:64:

Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

And look up the Greek words ???? + ??? which have been translated to "hereafter". Concentrate on ???? which means "at this very moment". You will have to determine how He was able to be sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven while standing in front of Caiaphas! Then you can ponder upon the true meaning of clouds, right hand side of power, coming, and heaven.


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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK Author

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Thank you for taking the time to read and comment on my Hub.


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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK Author

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Thank you for your comment.


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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK Author

Diligent1

Sorry for the delay in responding, I have been without a computer since Monday morning.

Thank you for your interesting comment, I have not seen this before and will give it more thought.

The Scriptures are like a treasure chest and it is wonderful when a beautiful gem is brought to our attention.


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r-o-y 4 years ago

Diligent, I really don’t understand what point you are trying to make, with your statement:

“And look up the Greek words ???? + ??? which have been translated to "hereafter". Concentrate on ???? which means "at this very moment".

Since you have already looked up these words in the Greek, and since it goes to proving your point, whatever that is, it’s up to you present your evidence and explain it! It’s not my job to present and explain your case for you.

I have been sitting trying to figure out what side of this argument you are on, my case is not about the clouds that He that will appear with Him when He returns, but wither or not He is the same being that ascended into heaven or is He is a different being! Now if your argument is that He is a new and different being and these clouds proves this to be the case than I wish you would present it in a form that I can understand. If the information you say you have discovered goes to proving wither or not Jesus is a being other that the one that ascended into heaven, than present it, if not then it is irreverent in proving or this proving my point!


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Tony L Smith 4 years ago from Macon

searchinsany, This is a very thought provoking hub, and a subject matter that is holds a lot of opinions. I personally have not been satisfied with much that I have heard from the church thus far. I believe the Father desires to bring clarity to this subject.

I enjoyed this hub and how you brought out things to ponder.

I have a couple of thoughts to add.

-as lightning strikes from the east to the west, so shall the coming of the 'son of man' be.

It would kinda hard for Japan to see Him if He returned, say over the US? physically that is

-If He returned to rule at Mt Zion physically, and you went to see and worship Him, what if you were about a million back in the crowd. You couldn't see Him, much less touch Him if you desired to? and think about the stampede!

I like to think that the angels were referring to Him going and coming in like manner as much and often as He deems needed. (Too many well respected saints have had encounters with a physical Jesus to argue much about their testimony) He could show up an have a cup of tea with one of us this minute and be gone the next minute.

Thus His returning or reigning must be something more along the lines of His reigning in His body (us).

Anyway thanks for stepping up.

be blessed my brother, Tony


Diligent1 4 years ago

r-o-y I apologize for not being clearer. I also did not realize that Greek characters would not get displayed and be replaced by ????!

As regards to your question on which side of the argument am on, I believe it is crucial to have a correct understanding of the phraseology of the Bible hence my venture into the meaning of these words! It has been my experience when talking to people that as soon as we come across words like heaven, earth, clouds, stars, moon, and many others in the Bible, immediately the physical meaning is opted for to the exclusion of any other possibility!

In the verse that I have mentioned above, when Christ was standing in front of Caiaphas and while he was being interrogated he commented that from that moment on he was on the right hand of power, from that moment on he was coming in the clouds of heaven. Obviously as he was standing there, he was not in the sky above! As he was standing there he was not coming in physical clouds. Therefore words such as heaven, clouds, and coming have to mean something else beyond and very different from their physical and apparent meaning! Remember John 3:13

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven.

Here we also face a difficult situation if we take the physical meaning for heaven to mean the sky above us! This verse shows us that ascent and descent also mean something else beyond the physical meaning attributed to them! He is on earth and at the same time He is in heaven!And He clearly did not come down from the physical sky in a physical way!

In determining whether Our Lord will come as a different person or the same person or not come back at all and understanding many other aspects of His ministry such as His resurrection, I have spent many hours and days contemplating these verses and many other verses in the Bible such as this one verse is Hebrews 13:8

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

In doing so, I have eliminated many possibilities. I think he will come down from heaven just like He did the first time. That he will be a normal looking man just like the first time.

And I think just like the first time that many people did not recognize him, there will be a very good chance that I will not recognize him either! And that is one thought that really scares me.


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r-o-y 4 years ago

Diligent1, I apologize if I seem a bit blunt, but I’ve seen so many games played over the internet in the two years that I have seem expose to it, thanks for clearing that up for me. I agree about bible phraseology and trying to get a clear understanding of some of its possible meanings. Heaven is one of those trickily words, as I thing you said, it has different meaning depending on the context that it is used in. In my study of that word I have come to believe that there are three heavens. The first, second and third heaven, the first heaven is the atmosphere just above our earth and maybe even our entire solar system. The second heaven is beyond our solar system out among the stars, now third heaven is the place where no man has ascended to but Him that descended from there.

I think I understand where you’ll coming from when you say He did not come from the physical sky, but I think the bible states that His second coming would be according to the way He ascended and not the way He came the first time, but I see no real disagreement because I think there is something like a billion Christians, there’s no way all is going to see everything exactly the same. Now as far as Jesus being in heaven and on earth at the same time, I think that it’s totally possible that He existed in both places at the same time. We must remember that Jesus proceeded from the very being of His Father, so He was and is the essence of what His Father is, He is God who took on flesh. Even though He took on flesh He never stops being God. I have no problem believing that He could be in more than one place at a time, but that’s just the way I see it.

I agree that He will return as a man because He ascended as a man, but I don’t agree with you that you want recognize Him at His return provided you are truly one of His and don’t twist scripture to fit a false doctrine and disfigure His appearance to the point that He become unrecognizable to you, because He says His own recognizes Him and His voice. Those who want recognize Him is those like the teachers of the law who did not recognize the first time, they had twisted scripture so badly that He was a stranger to them. This is why it’s so important that we don’t twist scripture as they did. But there’s no doubt that His own will recognize Him! You are right, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever, He change not!


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r-o-y 4 years ago

Tony, I agree with you, this is a thought provoking hub and subject matter, what I don’t agree with is that if Jesus returns as a man the way He ascended as it would be hard for Japan to see Him because of the curvature of the earth. Now you said it would be hard for Japan to see Him, is there anything too hard for God? You are not the first to think that a prophecy of the Lord was too hard to be fulfilled as prophesied, because of us trying to use our finite minds to question the infinite mind of God. Let me remind you of another prophecy that just about the whole world claimed would be impossible to be fulfilled as prophesied; the Lord prophesied that just before His return there would two of His prophets killed by the beast, the bodied of these dead prophets would lie in the streets for I think three days, now this is the good part, He said that the whole world witness His disciple dead bodied in the streets of jerusalem. Now every intelligent person of that time made pretty much the same statement you just made, it is physically impossible anything to happen in Jerusalem and have it witness around the world as it is happening! And they were right, at the time it was an impossible for this to take place, this verse of scripture was used to belittle the faithful few, now we are living at a time when we can see with our very own eyes the fulfillment of the impossible part of that prophecy. Now, if something happens in Jerusalem today and the world needs to see it, would you say it would be impossible for people around the world to witness that event taking place in Jerusalem? With CNN and other Satellite TV media you know there is nothing that happens in this world that could not witnessed by people anywhere in the world right from the comfort of their living room! The impossible became possible because God said it was possible! What the finite mind of man see as impossible, the infinite mind of God says is possible and will happen!

You seem to be under the impression that the earth and everything else is going to be just as it is right now, just as the unbeliever did two thousand years ago. There will be many changes taking place in the processes of His return that men will be trying to die in fear of the things taking place on this earth. According to the word of God, the same word that made the impossible possible says that the sky will roll back like a curtain, now that’s a change for you to think about. Everything thing will be in the process of change:

“Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb”

And even if that didn’t happen, but it will, God could simply make the earth transparent!

In another verse of scripture it states that everything will be on fire and melt, because God is a consuming Fire! So there will be all kinds of changes taking place!

God says what’s impossible with man is possible with God. Do believe this?

I remember back in the 1990’s when, I think it was one of those comets crashed into one of the planet of our solar system, did not the whole world witness this event? Yet an event more specular event will take place and you mean to tell me that our All Mighty God can’t make it visible to all the way He says it will?. God said it and I believe it that settles it for me!


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Tony L Smith 4 years ago from Macon

r-o-y I agree that anything is possible.

I just see that most of these scriptures have a greater meaning than what we physically understand. example: some of you standing here will not taste death till you see the kingdom of god come with power. So has the kingdom come or are we still waiting?

Scripture is happening now, not in the past or the future. As in faith is now, not tomorrow. Are you seated with Christ at the right hand of God now, or is that in the future?

I'm not trying to disagree, just looking for truth.

be blessed, Tony


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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK Author

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You may find my Hub 'The End Times: The Day of the Lord' of interest, it gives examples of metaphoric language in Scripture.


Diligent1 4 years ago

r-o-y The lessons in the Bible and specifically the prophecies and the way they were fulfilled by Christ about 2000 years ago need to be taken into account when deciphering the prophecies and other statements in the Bible regarding the end times.

This approach is very similar to what a teacher in school does. The final exam at the end of the school year is based on the lessons given during the school year. It is simply not justified by a teacher to give a test for which the students are not prepared!

Jews failed that test when they rejected Christ. They had been prepared by the divine teacher (God) for many centuries and when time came to take the test they failed. Their failure is part of the lesson for the rest of us and the examples of how they failed to understand the prophecies and scriptures abound in the Bible.

Here is one example of the test given to the Jews and a lesson for us. It is recorded in Luke3 3:3-6

3 And he went into all the region around the Jordan, proclaiming a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. 4 As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet,

“The voice of one crying in the wilderness:

‘Prepare the way of the Lord,

make his paths straight.

5 Every valley shall be filled,

and every mountain and hill shall be made low,

and the crooked shall become straight,

and the rough places shall become level ways,

6 and all flesh shall see the salvation of God.’”

r-o-y what is the lesson in the verses above in your opinion? What is the meaning of valley? How about mountain? What is meant by crooked? Rough places? How should one understand "all flesh shall see"?

God is not a respecter of people. He tests all of us the same! Otherwise he would not be just! Having said this, we have to explore ways in which this lesson and many others like it help us understand the prophecies regarding the end times.


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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK Author

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r-o-y 4 years ago

Diligent1, first it’s always stated that scripture is of no private interpretation, but just about everyone after making that statement goes right into giving their interpretation of a scripture that is supposed to be of no private interpretation. No two people are going to see everything exactly the same, now as long as our views doesn’t change the doctrine of scripture than we are both on I thing pretty safe ground. I hope after giving my understanding [not interpretation] of the scriptures you have given me that you make it little clearer to me where you are going with this.

You sat that in Luke 3:3-6 Jesus was rejected by the Jews and that God preparing them for centuries and yet they failed the test, I totally agree.

“The voice of one crying in the wilderness as I understand it is non-other than John. John prepares the way for the Lord in that it is he who identifies just who it is of all the people he is baptizing, which one is actually The Son of God! Now this is the most important part of John’s mission as it will be again when he returns. The very Jewish leaders that were to help John in preparing the way of the Lord was the very ones who threw all kinds of obstacles and road-block in the path-way of those who were trying to follow the true path to the true God. Just as Satan’s disciples were trying do everything back then he and his are doing everything they can conceive of to block the path of those who trying to get to know the Jesus of the bible today. Now just as John needed to separate truth from fiction in identifying the true God in His first visit, John is going to have to point out the true Messiah because just as He was disfigured to the point of being unrecognizable to His own people by the religious teachers of that day it will be the same just before the Lord’s return

Today there are many so-called Christ each teaching a different doctrine so the world is confused as to just who the real Jesus is. In the future according to bible prophecy there will arise one who will be a counterfeit of the Lord’s return who is to convince most in the world that this fraud is the Son of God. The world is so confused that according to the Bible it is only the very elect that will not be sucked in this fraud. This fraud is non-other than the one even now recognize as “The Cosmic Christ” who is non-other than Satan himself. It will take the witness of that same John who is also called Elijah that will make the final witness to The Son of God.

Now just as there are many claiming to be Christ, there are many claiming to be followers of Christ who are actually followers of Satan. Many claim to be the end-time prophet Elijah or John returned in the flesh. Now these lairs the infiltrators use to try to silence the very people who the Lord sent into the world to preach this gospel just before His return. If one says he is sent of the Lord the infiltrators will claim that this person is claiming to be a profit or even John himself. This is a trick that is being used effectively, now in the gospels did it not states that Jesus sent His disciples His into the entire world to preach this gospel to every living thing. Who sent these people into the world to preach this gospel? It is God Himself who says He sent them into the world to preach the gospel. Now if one cannot confidently state that God sent him or her, than I want who it is that sent them, because God states that the ones that preach the true gospel in His name it is He who sent them. The ones who are afraid to state this clearly, many are self-appointed, even many that are appointed by God is afraid to state this openly because being afraid of being ridiculed, so the most effective part of their witness is silenced by the infiltrators, I never told anyone that I’m a prophet, but infiltrators are trying to use this statement to prove me a false prophet, something I never claim to be, but this is the trick they try to use.

Now let’s take a look at the verses of scripture that you asked me to give my understanding of:

“The voice of one crying in the wilderness:

‘Prepare the way of the Lord,

make his paths straight.

5 Every valley shall be filled,

and every mountain and hill shall be made low,

and the crooked shall become straight,

and the rough places shall become level ways,

6 and all flesh shall see the salvation of God.’”

Now as I give you understanding of the meaning of these verses of scripture keep in mind that neither one of us is the clone of the other, therefore my understanding of these verses are not going to be exact ally as you envision them in your mind, anyone who expect this is not thinking rationally. As long as our understanding of these doesn’t change the doctrine of the word of God then I think we’ll alright.

Now let’s take the first part of these scriptures “The voice of one crying in the wildness” this is a very important part in identifying John the first time he came and it will be a very important part in identifying him as he make straight the path of the Lord this second time. John was living in the wilderness eating bugs! John wore the cloths of a tramp! In today’s language he would be called a hobo. Now compare John’s life-style to those religious lead who failed, who were to make straight the path of the Lord, they lived in slender, wore the best robes, dined on the best foods, lived in palaces while John was considered a tramp. Now the people of this end-time church are falling for the same deception of the Jews of John’s day. Just take a look around and see just who’s churches are full beyond capacity and bursting at the seams, it’s the ones who’s preachers wear the finest in the latest apparel, the most expensive cars, live in the most beautiful mansion money can buy. Now these are the preacher that most of the Christian world will listen to because this preacher will show them God want them to rich just like them, so it is going to take John to clear this matter up and make straight the path of the Lord

Now the next part I would like to address is where the bible states that the mountains and hills will be made low. Now my understanding of this is that back then the worshipers of Baal and all false worshipers would build their temples to their gods in the high places, in the sides of mountains and they looked to these hill where their help came from, these false gods, by John identifying the true Lord this knocks down the pedestal of these false god which are then trample under foot of the true Lord of lord and King of kings!

Now there’s much more that I can add to this, but I think you understand where I’m coming from so I would like to stop here so that you can show me where you are going with this.

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