The Atheist's Lament

The Dawning of belief
The Dawning of belief

"If there is a God, why can I not sense Him"

 One of the more rabid "atheists" on HubPages, posted what I initially thought would read like a scholarly exposition on why Atheists are more righteous than , say Christians. I  got the hibbie-gibbies reading the whole piece, not because it enthralled me, but because it appalled me.  His logisms were very suspect at best, his prose was a disjointed mixture of snippy-snappy one liners  that were devoid of wit and grit; his arguments were so dull-edged  they neither lacerated nor eviscerated. This particular hubber, typically rants at people who disagree with him; he cants at beliefs systems he finds beneath his ill-conceived, and self perceived feeling of intellectual superiority. Ideas that does not seem "rational" to him  he immediately labels "meaningless drivel"

Well. here are three paraphrased examples of what I would call his drivel.

(1)The root cause of why I don't believe in God  is because religionists, mostly Christians, cause ill-will, and throughtout all of history  have gone to war for their beliefs and  for their attempts to impose those  beliefs on others. Religionist have been conditioned to accept  unquestioningly whatever  it is that they have been taught to believe, thus they are incapable  of  independent thought, thus they are not righteous.   -----The logic of this cause-and effect statement falls flat on its nonsequitur face. It's akin to a kindergartner  asking his classmate why he does not  believe in the toothfairy as he does and most of his peers, and his answer is: because you are all bad people,  you steal things from me,  and you push me around, and you call me bad names, and you are always bullying me.

(2) It is simple really, there is no God- so there is no religion.------This  idiotic simplistic notion does  not fly  on the face of reality. A belief in God is but one ot several tenets that are cocooned in  religious beliefs. In reality there are believers who are not religious at all in that they do not follow those other tenets purely or strictly. Converely, there are religionists(cultists as he so arrogantly pronounced) who have no use or need for a belief in a Supreme Deity but still consider themselves religious because they follow most of those  other tenets.

(3) I do not believe in God because I have looked at the evidence, and there is none.---In this he obviously does not know the difference between him ( a self-described atheist) and  an agnostic.

The rest of his hub discussed the various reasons why he believed that Atheist are righteous, or more righteous,  one of which is:  unlike Christians who allow their "invisible super-daddy" (his words not mine) to do the thinking and rationalizing for them , atheist are not  similarly constrained  and thus  supremely capable of independent ideas, ideals and ideologies.

He was not persuaded by my, and a lot of the other hubber's,  arguments that Christianity and other monotheistic and for that matter polytheistic religions, being man-directed are  subject to human follies and foibles. We argued that he should be more accomodating of the concept that all man-made institutions and endeavours  have never and will never be pardigmatic of pure unadulterated triumph. Converely, since humans and their fully complex brain have evolved so far, he should not deny his fellow flawed humans the ability  to conceptualize the idea that , not all realities are  material or physical  and the reality of a spiritual, ethereal and transcendental  world should and must not be discarded.

As an aside, Christopher Hitchens, an atheist par excellance, just revealed on a recent article on Vanity Fair (of which he is a brilliant contributing polemicist) that he was just diagnosed with a form of throat cancer..... the reality of which stunned his usual self-assurance, mostly because it could mean his physical removal from the people he vehemently disagreed with  but  whom he respected and treasured nonetheless. He and his younger brother (whose name escapes me at the moment) who is an ardent believer and a brilliant writer himself,  have been involved in the most contentious and public debate on the existence of God. It looks like the fraternal ties that  used  to connect   them  could  again be bound by a most unexpected development. Now that Christopher  may soon face the reality of his own mortality, the glint of God  in the near horizon might yet  appear and convince him that indeed He exists.

 

 

 

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SilentReed 6 years ago from Philippines

Religion is a belief system What some find disagreable is the way it is package with the warning "Believe or Else".The problem of atheist is that they equate "God" with religion. The probelm with believers is that they believe they are the "Chosen" and they alone hold the answer to a question that has perplexed mankind for ages. Human frailties on both side


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travel_man1971 6 years ago from Bicol, Philippines

Jesus Christ abhors or opposes religions because it creates separateness among humans. Every religion implements certain policies through dictated prayers or chants and the salvation of our soul from sins.

I can't evade religion because on my job application form, you have to fill-in the blank and write what denomination you belong with.

One of my friends/classmate during Ateneo days is a proclaimed atheist (even he's studying in a Catholic-Jesuit academe.

As long as we don't touch that subject, I don't think we can limit ourselves to a better kind of togetherness or camaraderie: FRIENDSHIP!


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Captain Jimmy 6 years ago from WV

It is truly sad how many will die in their sins and spend eternity in hell by their own pride!

Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

Matthew 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Matthew 7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?

Matthew 7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?

Matthew 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Salvation-


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A.Villarasa 6 years ago from Palm Springs Author

Silent Reed: I can not agree with you more. Man is capable of horrendous cruelty to his fellow humans, they be believers or not. He is also capable of the most tender of love be they atheist, monotheist and polytheist. Man is also capable of sublimating his physicality to that of his spirituality, and to deny him that ability is what I so am against atheism.

Travel Man: Hey kababayan and fellow Bicolano. Thanks for visiting and writing your thoughts to the hub. I was a product of the Jesuit-Ateneo academe as you are and I am proud of being associated with that institution. You are right of course, in that love and friendship should triumph over everything else.

Hello Captain: Thanks for all the quotes from Matthew, most of which I heartily subscribe to. The first quote, the one about hell, I find problematic. But to each his own huh captain?


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OpinionDuck 6 years ago

Very dogmatic and I don't see that your arguments for God were compelling.

The fact that over six billion people in the world today have over a hundred different religions questions the one God concept of Christianity.

The bible(s) are not self authenticating yet the followers of the bible quote from it as if it was a truth.

Just because we can disprove there is a God, there is no proof of a God.

Genesis is not a guide book to creation. If it were such a book, it would have contained information that was beyond the knowledge of the humans that actually wrote it. Genesis is a vague and an ambiguous story that has little foundation.

I did hubs on the first four days of creation that was in Genesis, and I listed a lot of questions about the meaning in it. My plan was to go through all seven days of creation, but it was obvious there would be no answers.

Most everyone believed in Santa Claus when were growing up and we had enormous faith in him. We didn't ask questions about how he did things. Then one day we found the truth, we were no longer children. We had grown up.


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A.Villarasa 6 years ago from Palm Springs Author

Hello Opinionduck:

My hub was written in response to one of the hubber's contention that atheist are more righteous than anyone else. It never was meant to argue for the existence of God... in fact if you re-read it, there is never any mention of why I believe God exist.

The second paragraph is a non sequitur.

I believe that the Bible especially Genesis should not be interpreted literally but allegorically.

As for Santa CLaus, he should be happy that even if he does not have any historical basis in fact, kids still believe in him...and he is great for the consumerist economy that the United States is so well known for.


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OpinionDuck 6 years ago

AV

You don't have to mention God when your topic focuses on Atheists, it is implied.

Even if the second paragraph was a non sequitur, it is still a fact, and it still relates to Atheist as most religions are for non atheists, dependent on what your definition is of religion.

If the bible is not literal than it is a baseless Fable or big story. It would then be equal to the Santa Claus story.

The use of Santa Clause in my comment was to compare it with the stories of the bible, in that they both are just stories.

Thanks


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A.Villarasa 6 years ago from Palm Springs Author

Hello Opinionduck:

Belief in a diety is an important but not the only component of what makes a particular belief system to be labeled "religion". There are of course "religionists" who do not subscribe to a belief in a deity, and there are people who believe in God, but do not subscribe to any other tenet that could be cocooned in the term religion.

I assume that you subscribe to the "all-or-none" rule when you say that the whole bible, if not interpreted literally, is pure fable. I subscribe to the idea, that if certain passages in the bible can not be interpreted literally, by reasonable people, then it should be interpreted another way.. ie.e allegorically.


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lone77star 5 years ago from Cebu, Philippines

AV, good Hub! Thanks! The atheist to whom you refer sounds like Mark Knowles. I like some of his arguments as a start for debate, but he doesn't want to debate. He wants to harangue and ridicule. I told him to look in a mirror; he seemed to be perpetrating the very evil he was describing.

Opinionduck seems to do the same "all or nothing" illogical approach. Taken to its extreme, Opinionduck's viewpoint might eradicate all life on Earth, because Man is flawed. No finesse in that. That's fixing a glass vase with a sledgehammer.

Too many on both sides of the secular-religion debate take this "all or nothing," "us versus them" approach. The ad hominimen, non sequitur and arguments to ignorance remain a logical wasteland of inanities and empty chest-thumping. It's sad. There is so much more to life than "black and white." There is so much more to life than ego.

Mark Knowles, bless his immortal soul, first wrote on one of my Hubs (7 Days of Creation) with an immediate and non sequitur attack. He said things which clearly indicated he had not read the Hub, but perhaps merely skimmed it, finding salient words at which to react. I initially left his comments in, hoping to move the "conversation" to a point-by-point discussion. But he ignored my counter arguments, and merely spouted more attack and insults.

Some may condemn me for doing so, but I "deleted" his attack along with the good stuff. Pity! It could've made a nice debate, but he seems to be too attached to his anti-social behavior. Again, an all-or-nothing mentality. When a party crasher throws insults and gropes the guests, the host has an obligation to throw the crasher out. Anything less would be uncivilized.

Thankfully not all atheists (or Christians) are this way.


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A.Villarasa 5 years ago from Palm Springs Author

Hello Mr. Martin:

Yes the Hubber in question is no other than your "best" and "good" friend Mark Knowles.

I have tangled with him on more than one occasion, and each encounter has left me wondering why he has not suffocated on his narcissism.

I told him rather bluntly, that he manifests character traits of a narcissist, including (1)repeating ad nauseam the same disjointed arguments, (2) constantly attacking his debating protagonist not on the merits of the issue but on some peripheral logisms, and evading the ones he could not truly answer without being uncovered as a charlatan (3) inflated sense of intellectual superiority. And when attacked as viciously as he was attacking the protagonist, he would say with not a trace of irony, that the protagonists is a mean SOB.

When you offered him a mirror, and he declined, he probably went to a reflecting pool to countenance his visage.. and found it "beautiful".

So good for you that you put him in his proper place... not a lot of hubbers have the gumption to do that. HubPages is crawing with his acolytes and syncophants.

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