The Counterfeit Jesus

There is a fraudulent and counterfeit “Jesus” sold to the masses within the corrupt church system. Those who are disciples of Christ must be vigilant in contending for the true faith by imitating him and the apostles. Most people throughout the world believe in a counterfeit “Jesus.” The “Jesus” that most people think about in society is not Christ found in Scripture, but a malleable “Jesus” that conforms to the carnal desires of people’s hearts.

For FALSE CHRISTS and FALSE PROPHETS will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. – Matthew 24:24

Most people in the church system believe that the false Christ is someone who outrightly denies Christ, or is an antichrist. This is a false assumption. The deception today is that many affirm "Jesus," but distort him to their own carnal desires. A distorted Christ is the same thing as out rightly denying Christ.

True disciples of Christ are to worship God in spirit and in truth. The Gospel message has been distorted and perverted by hirelings who stand upon their man-made pulpits. They do not know and serve Christ as he is portrayed in the Scripture because the truth and fear of our Father in heaven is not in them.

A true disciple of Christ will imitate him. They do not follow after religious hirelings who create false converts practicing their own version of Christianity as many follow them down the wide road that leads to destruction.

The Two Principles of Counterfeit Christianity

The profitable profession of preaching a counterfeit “gospel” markets a “Jesus” that is drastically different than Christ of the Bible. This “Jesus” is accepted and professed by those who desire to remain in their sinful ways. Counterfeit Christianity is loved dearly as the masses among the thousands of harlot denominations flock in through the doors of their named buildings to have their ears tickled and their wallets empties through the sophistry and entertainment that is provided for them.

Counterfeit Christianity rests on two principles for it to function. First, there are the hirelings. There is no way around it, a hireling must pervert the Gospel message and person of Christ to maintain their status among men. Second, there are the ignorant pew warmers who give attention to what they say. This is how you will know when you are under the banner of a counterfeit “Jesus” that leads to spiritual death.

God has given us His word so that we may read, study and have understanding of it through His Spirit. Many don’t know the word of God because they have not allowed the Holy Spirit to lead them to the truth, but rather have allowed hirelings to teach their version of “truth” to them.

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Churchy "Jesus"

If you Google “Jesus” in the images category on the Internet, you will find a false representation, or image of "Jesus." Scripture states that he did not attract people by his physical appearance. He was not a blonde European with blonde hair and blue eyes who died on a cross with muscles and a six-pack. This is a false rendering of Christ from an artist’s misconception of the true Savior. In similar fashion, the “Jesus” of church must be marketed as attractive and palatable to an audience that wants and desires to see him that way.

In the same way, but in a spiritual sense, the pulpit hirelings have their versions of “Jesus” who is presented quite differently than in the Scripture. Christ was not a pretty rose who was born on a bed of roses, but rather came as an exposed root.

For he grew up before him like a young plant, and LIKE A ROOT OUT OF DRY GROUND; he had no form or majesty that we should look at him, and NO BEAUTY that we should desire him. – Isaiah 53:2

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antichrist

The distortion of Christ in the physical and spiritual is quite disturbing if one was to take off their indoctrinated lenses. The “Jesus” within the church system has been made up to be compatible with a sinful world.

How many times do you hear, “Do not judge, my Jesus does not judge anyone?”

For we must all appear before the JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil. – 2 Corinthians 5:10

But they will give account to him who is ready to JUDGE the living and the dead. – 1 Peter 4:5

I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to JUDGE the living and the dead – 2 Timothy 4:1

Just sit back in your pew, we'll do the rest.
Just sit back in your pew, we'll do the rest.
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ignorance is bliss

Where do people come up with these false concepts of Christ?

If you are not already in there, you will find these fantasies within the church system.

I don’t know about you, but the Saviour I believe in will judge all mankind, the living and the dead. Christ judges everyone.

Those among the ekklesia’s message is Christ our Savior. If our message is about him, then we must have the Scriptural understanding of who he is; otherwise, we would be falling for the latest parlour tricks of hired pulpiteers.

And he COMMANDED us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be JUDGE of the living and the dead. – Acts 10:42

Many preach Christ as Saviour and King of Kings, but also Scripture states that we are to preach him as Judge.

How many have heard Christ preached as Judge within the church system?

He isn’t. He is a blonde-haired blue-eyed European with a six-pack who is friends with the world. The clergy gets gitty with him while the pew warmers eyes gloss over as money flows into their coffers. Their “Jesus” entertains them. They will always invite you to come into one of their denominational buildings for this reason.

Did you know that Christ commanded us to preach that he will judge the living and the dead?

This is part of the Gospel message, yet the indoctrinated have absolutely no concept of the most judgemental man in history. The religious elite despise this type of man as attested in Scripture. Their “Jesus” is their “homeboy” who accepts who they are without judgement and his “grace” allows them to continue in their sinful ways blinded to the appointed day when the KIng of kings and Lord of lords will judge them for their idolatry of worshipping their man-made superficial “Jesus” invented from their carnal minds.

The politically correct “Jesus” found within the church system does not offend anybody.

The people love their tree-hugger “Jesus,” but Christ of Scripture cursed the fig tree.

Read Mark 11:12-25 to get a clearer picture. Christ did not come to hug everyone and judge no one.

Christ would offend more people today than he did in his day on earth. They would call for his death with even greater fervor.

Christ was a man who did not compromise, or apologize.

WOE TO YOU PHARISEES! For you love the best seat in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces. Woe to you! For you are like unmarked graves, and people walk over them without knowing it.” One of the lawyers answered him, “Teacher, in saying these things you INSULT US ALSO.” – Luke 11:43-45

Christ lashed out at the temple going hypocrites, then another group said that he was also offending them too. With no compromise, or apology rebuked all of them. Christ knew that they would be offended, but continued to preach anyways. He was not there to present ear candy and entertainment to gain followers.

The Christ of the Bible confronted sin. The sinners were offended because they were deliberately confronted by him.

When the crowds were increasing, he began to say, “This generation is an EVIL GENERATION. It seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah. – Luke 11:29

How do you think the crowds would respond to Christ saying this?

How do you think this would be taken today?

Do you think he would stand up and say what a wonderful generation you are by zealously going to church each week when I abolished the temple system long ago?

The plain fact is when the truth of sin is confronted to a sinful world, it is offensive to them, especially among the religious church crowds. Truth by nature will offend the deceived who falsely believe they’re good enough for the Kingdom of God in man-made traditions and idolatry. They come to church in their sin and there they remain in their sin. Their nature offends the holiness of God.

The Biblical Christ and his disciples should offend the world. They shouldn’t seek to avoid being offensive like the church hirelings do because Christ sure didn’t.

Christ stated to the religious elite, “Have you never read in the Scriptures.” He treated them like foolish children when they were the ones who were expected to have memorized all the books of Moses. It would be like asking a mathematician, “Do you not know how to count?” Christ was deliberately being condescending for a reason.

Would you ask a lifeguard, “Do you not know how to swim?

It is offensive to the pompous, isn’t it?

Christ was not afraid to lash out at these types of people with the word of God. He wanted to push their buttons being relentless to upholding the principles of the Kingdom of God.

The “Jesus” in the church system is not offensive, or holy. A holy Christwill be offensive to a sinful world.

You may say, “Jesus only rebuked the Pharisees, not sinners.”

Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline, so be zealous and REPENT. – Revelation 3:19

Christ was offensive and condescending by rebuking those who he loved. He preached to them out of love for them, but many did not see it that way.

The hypocrites appeared outwardly righteous, but inwardly they were full of sin. This is the same manifestation of the “church” system today.

How many say I am a “Christian,” which equates to a good tithing member of a denominational church who do “good” works and give to a charitable (501c3) business.

Christsays they are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked” spitting them out of his mouth (Revelation 3:15-17).

It’s offensive isn’t it?

The churchy “Jesus” is not the same Christ who said, “it hates me because I testify about it that its works are evil” (John7:7).

Then he began to DENOUNCE THE CITIES where most of his mighty works had been done, because they did NOT REPENT. – Matthew 11:20

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REPENT

Yes, Christ rebuked entire cities because they would not repent of their sin, yet in the church system the word repent is treated the same way the salaried pastor treats those who would oppose his ways.

Church people want the fish, bread and healing of Christ, but don’t want to repent, or hear about repentance; therefore, he will rebuke them for it.

As disciples of Christ, we should be using the same terminology that he used and call what he called sin, not to pretty it up as not to offend anyone.

What the world calls a “gentleman’s club” is actually a club for perverts. What the religious call church is a club that perverts the Gospel. The deception is that they use positive words to mask what is really going on behind the scenes to ease the conscience of willful sinners rather than convict them.

We must call sin by how Scripture defines sin, and call sinners by how Scripture defines sinners.

Christ degraded people to animals such as dogs, snakes and pigs for their rebellion.

Do you think “gentle Jesus meek and mild” when he told a whole city this?

And you, Capernaum, will you be exalted to heaven? You shall be BROUGHT DOWN TO HADES. – Luke 10:15

Is this the "Jesus" you hear about in church, Sunday school and youth groups?

Is your version of “Jesus” marketed to the masses in the latest best-selling books and DVD’s?

Any preacher who does not follow the example of Christ is not a follower of him. Read your Bible, look at the preacher, look at Christ, read your Bible, look at the preacher, look at Christ.

Is he a preacher of Christ, or is he a church hireling?

Do the math, does 1+1=2?

Do you know how to read Scripture?

The Good News is only good to those who repent and follow the ways of Christ who is living water and the bread of life. The “good news” in church is pop and potato chips. It is the wide and easy road.

Many believe in the “Jesus” that is marketed to them who does not get angry, bring offence, hate, or judge.

You have loved righteousness and HATED wickedness – Hebrews 1:9

O you who love the LORD, HATE evil! He preserves the lives of his saints; he delivers them from the hand of the wicked. – Psalm 97:10

If you love one, then you will hate the other. If you love sin, then you will hate righteousness. If you love holiness, then you will hate iniquity.

Christ attacked sin and gave no excuses, justifications, or accommodations for it and left sinners without an excuse.

If your “Jesus” does not hate sin, then your “Jesus” does not love you.

Why do you think it states,

After this many of his disciples TURNED BACK and no longer walked with him. – John 6:66

They were offended. They didn’t like the hard sayings.

Those in the church system do not like the hard sayings. They hire someone to give them the easy sayings instead. It doesn’t end there, Christ then goes on to say to the twelve disciples that remained with him, “Do you want to go away as well?” and then calls one of them the devil.

The hippy “Jesus” that goes around getting along and hanging out with everyone and doesn’t turn everybody off, or turn anyone away is found within the walls of Churchianity.

The genuine Christ is repulsive and offensive to the church masses.

Does your pastor fear turning anyone off for truth, or is he the puppeteer of the people hired to gloss over their eyes by making them feel welcome and comfortable in their sin?

Have you not read that Christ brought division among his family, synagogue and the Jews?

He is still bringing division today.


Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather DIVISION. – Luke 12:51

Do you believe in a passive non-aggressive “Jesus?”

And MAKING A WHIP OF CORDS, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen. – John 2:15

The fact is that Christ interfered with the business of church by today’s standards, and will be coming back in flaming fire with even more aggression than his first visit. He will overturn every table, city, ruler and country smiting the nations and bringing destruction to the things that are not of his Father. It says in Scripture, In righteousness he will judge and make war.”


The soft sissy, hippy “Jesus” found in the churches of men is not the King of kings and Lord of lords!

Are you getting the picture yet?

Does your "Jesus" have flaming eyes who will bring a sword?

You had better wake up soon because he is coming for the harlot church system with a vengeance and will put them in the winepress of God's wrath.

Have you ever seen grapes go through a winepress?

We all need to do a heart check and figure out whose side we are on because the blood of the wicked will flow like wine when Christ returns.

How many times have you heard the church member say, Jesus hung out with sinners and was friends with them?”

You see, their false “gospel” trains people to go out in the world and become friends with them and try to get them to come to church for indoctrination into their version of “Jesus” that they have created for themselves from their vain imaginations. They conform to the world to appeal to the world.

You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a FRIEND OF THE WORLD makes himself an ENEMY OF GOD. – James 4:4

Christ didn’t come to hang out with the world, but to called sinners to repentance.

The pew warmer will say that their "Jesus" is a “friend of sinners” by appealing to the lies of the Pharisees who also falsely accused Christ of being a glutton and a wine bibber.

For it was indeed fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, SEPARATED FROM SINNERS, and exalted above the heavens. – Hebrews 7:26

Do not love the world or the things in the world. IF ANYONE LOVES THE WORLD, the love of the Father is not in him. – 1 John 2:15-17

Sinners put Christ to death because he was no friend of sin. The false “Jesus” in the church system is an enemy of God. Christ was angered at the religious hypocrites.

And he looked around at them with ANGER, grieved at their hardness of heart – Mark 3:5

A disciple of Christ should have righteous anger towards the worldly corruption of the religious system today. The deception, selfishness and wickedness are so rampant in the world it should make you angry. The blue-eyed European hippy “Jesus” with long blonde hair who gets along with everyone does not get angry, judge, or bring offence. This "Jesus" will not create discerning disciples, but mindless passive pew-warming indoctrinated church members who are spoon fed man-made politically correct doctrine from hired peacocks who prance upon their platforms pandering their false “gospel” to make a buck for themselves.

How many times have you heard, “You are preaching fear, not love?”

Christ came with a message of Good News from this Father, but also with a terrifying message as well. It is life, or death. You must choose.

Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and GODLY FEAR – Hebrews 12:28

The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom ALL causes of sin and ALL law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. – Matthew 13:41-42

The message of Christis wonderful and terrifying. The message of “Jesus” in the church system is “Jesus is the reason for the season,” as they entertain themselves and follow their worldly traditions in their man driven agendas.

Time is running short.

Do you want to be bound hand and foot and be cast into outer darkness?

That will depend on the “Jesus” whom you serve.

Scripture has some terrifying words if you believe and have faith in them to be the truth.

His winnowing fork is in his hand, to clear his threshing floor and to gather the wheat into his barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.” So with many other EXHORTATIONS HE PREACHED GOOD NEWS to the people. – Luke 3:17-18

John the Baptist came preaching Christ and the Good News. This was his motivational message to the people.

Is this the motivation you are hearing from the likes of Joel Osteen and the many other money grabbers?

Therefore, knowing the FEAR OF THE LORD, we persuade others. – 2 Corinthians 5:11

The officers answered, “NO ONE EVER SPOKE LIKE THIS MAN!” – John 7:46

Churchy "Jesus"
Churchy "Jesus"

It’s ironic isn’t it?

You will never find anyone who would speak like Christin the church system. He is not allowed in their buildings. He was cast out long ago. You will not find any disciples of Christ there either because they are part of the Kingdom of God, not within the religious kingdoms of men.

The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and DOES NOT LIVE IN TEMPLES BUILT BY HUMAN HANDS. – Acts 17:24

To be like Christ, you will expect hatred from the world. If you preach like him, you will be rejected in the same way.

Consider him who endured from sinners such HOSTILITY against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted. – Hebrews 12:3

And when his family heard it, they went out to seize him, for they were saying, “HE IS OUT OF HIS MIND.” – Mark 3:21

A biblical Christ is not a popular, and any disciple who follows him will not be popular either. Yes, your family members will believe you are out of your mind too.

They cried out, “Away with him, away with him, crucify him!” Pilate said to them, “Shall I crucify your King?” The chief priests answered, “WE HAVE NO KING BUT CAESAR.” – John 19:15

The religious system’s king is a hired man called “pastor” who heads a government controlled religious charitable business called church. Christ of the Bible will not be found in their midst.

Is your "Jesus" biblical, or a church smiling happy-hippy “Jesus” created from the carnal minds of religious men?

The modern church system does not recognize the true Christ. They soon will when he comes to burn their idolatrous buildings to the ground.

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, “REPENT, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

And he said to all, “If anyone would come after me, let him DENY HIMSELF and take up his cross daily and FOLLOW ME. – Luke 9:23

We need to preach the Biblical Christ, not a watered down version created from liberal modern philosophy. It is a perversion and a fraud to suite the sinful ways of the world by peddling a false “gospel” for gain.

May we follow after Christ who is attested in in the word of God. May we follow his example of being bold, confrontational and aggressive being unapologetic and uncompromising for speaking the truth.

A true disciple of Christ will preach and imitate him.

We don’t create a “Jesus” to conform to us, but we are to conform to Christ.

Christ is our Savior, Lord and Judge and will be the most terrifying man in all of history to those who oppose him.

He is not watered down prettied “Jesus” in church who does not bring offense, but to the contrary.

If you are part of the church system, I would think long and hard about the “Jesus” you believe in.

Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, “COME OUT OF HER, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues – Revelation 18:4

When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. - John 16:13

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KingdomCome 10 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

PandN- Another great artical. What I love best about Jesus Christ is the fact He had no fear of what other though of Him. He would say exactly what was on His mind. A number times He referred to the Pharisees and Scribes as brood of Vipers Fools, blind guides Hypocrites and even sons of Hell as noted in Matthew 23:13-29. Clearly when Jesus spoke these words He ways angery with the religious elite. You'll never hear today in churches how Jesus Christ was mad at people at times and how He made it known with the example verses I have just mentioned.

The "ear candy" Jesus that the churches teach today is typical of most false doctrines we see today. I hope there are more out there who are members of churches that realizes there is something very wrong with the doctrines of their churches and step out of the harlot church system and study the word of God for themselves. Seek the Kingdom of God (as noted in Matthew 6:33) which was the MAIN focus of Jesus Christ's ministry.

You made many great points in this artical PandN. Keep up the great "work" you've been doing. You have my continued support.

God bless.


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Tamarajo 10 months ago from Southern Minnesota

The Gospel I hear preached today is..."dont change a thing, just come to Jesus" and Im not even paraphrasing that. I cant figure out how we interpreted "Repent" to mean dont change a thing? Im not even sure what that looks like. As if God says "go ahead keep all your other lovers...I dont mind" It seems as if the modern interpretation of grace fantasizes that if we just come to God he will just make it all go away requiring no decision sacrifice or repentance on our part. Just hang out with God and Jesus people and you will magically change. I agree it is God who does the work but He absolutely requires our participation and cooperation in terms of turning from our other lovers to Him.

"Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling for it is God which works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure"

There are two sides to the coin of hypocrisy one is the religious one who claims to be Gods because of self perceived righteousness and the other who claims to be Gods but comfortably remains in sin.

Good job pointing to the narrow road.


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PlanksandNails 10 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

KingdomCome,

I think the main problem today is that people want to pick and choose parts of Jesus that they like and discard, or ignore what they don't like. The work of the Holy Spirit is about conviction, not trying to boost our egos. Self-esteem has replaced conviction that creates a carnal confidence that makes people “feel” ok with themselves. Repentance is not in their vocabulary. They have reinvented Jesus into their own sinful image.

These type of behaviours made Jesus angry, and that is why he deliberately confronted these people on their sin.

Unfortunately, many are blind pew warmers who gobble up anything that their clergy feeds to them. They seek the religious kingdoms of men first, rather than the Kingdom of God.

Thank-you for the comment. God Bless.


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PlanksandNails 10 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Tamarajo,

I truly believe that the Gospel message can only be presented in a corrupt way in the "church" system because Jesus is not the Head, but a hireling instead. We are to follow Jesus Christ, not salaried officials.

As you said, we are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling.

In the "church' system you do not work out your own salvation, someone else does it for you. Denominational indoctrination is a tool of Satan. Unless people break free from this bondage, there will be dire consequences for them and their leaders.

I agree with your statement concerning hypocrisy. May we remain sober in the days that we are in.

God Bless You.


Hxprof 10 months ago from Clearwater, Florida

A very clear picture of today's harlot church. We must have all that is carnal burnt up by Christ's sanctifying process if we're to be able to preach the true Gospel, and those that remain in the false church are being held back from this process by false doctrines. There is coming a time, soon, that God will release those He's preparing to preach an untainted Gospel.....there will then be a separating between those who choose to remain in the false church and those who come out of the false church. As the birth pangs accelerate more and more deceived Christians will get a wake up call from God, and there WILL be many that listen. Time is short though, as you say.


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

You have written alot of truth here. I really appreciate how you bring out the meaning of Conterfeit Jesus, but really Jesus is real and perfect the statment more real is counterfeit christians.

Because they are supposed to be ginuine followers. But they have created another road to follow which is a dead end.

Example Conterfeit money causes a lot of problems once discovered it has no value but to be put out of circulation. And anyone fooled by it loses values as well.

They can not trade for the real money.

So true in a spiritual way , once the truth is uncovered and obvious , there will be no time to change route to the path of life eternal.

The door will close as It did by Jehovah's hand for Noah and Family,

We are in crucial days , now is the time to be sure of bible truth , because our life depends on it.

Ro 10:2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to accurate knowledge.

Ro 10:3 For because of not knowing the righteousness of God but seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

And there are people learning but notice!

2Ti 3:7 always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth.

We must have truth in order to receive the blessings of the future.

Eph 4:13 until we all attain to the oneness of the faith and of the( accurate knowledge) of the Son of God, to being a full-grown man, attaining the measure of stature that belongs to the fullness of the Christ

Again not Conterfeit but accurate.


Neil Braithwaite 10 months ago

Today's "churches" would be under the same indictment Yahshua pronounced against the leaders of the Jewish congregation assembled in the temple in Matthew 23.

And Yahshua's indictment correlates with Yahweh's words to the "shepherds of Israel" through His prophet Ezekiel (34:1-16)

Both of these passages are a scathing indictment of those who profess to be leaders of Yahweh's people.

Scripture is perfectly clear that those leaders will be judged according to their deeds. And in accord with their guilt, the consequences of their actions will be harsh and swift.


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

True Neil , notice who will receive his blessings,

Lu 22:28“However, you are the ones who have stuck with me in my trials;

Lu 22:29 and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom,

Lu 22:30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel.

The original and fleshly Isreal had the opportunity

To sit with Jesus in Government, but they lost their blessings when they took part in killing him.

Mt 23:38Look! Your house is abandoned to you.

Mt 21:43This is why I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits.

There are some believers that are Jews as the Deciples, but they are small compared to what it could have been,

Now the Government is made up of all races and nationalities.

Re 5:9 And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of (every tribe and tongue and people and nation,)

Re 14:3 And they are singing what seems to be a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders, and no one was able to master that song except the 144,000, who have been bought from the earth.

Whats left is the inheritance of the earth as citizen's,

Ps 37:11 But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.

most today are answering this envite.

Surly the earth will be heavenly as it will have heavenly rulership.

Mt 6:10 Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth.

That prayer is finlly taking form.

We can just make sure we are included by being sure, not following mans and Satan's propaganda

as he fools many to think they all go to heaven if good. Sad not what the scripture says here.


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

Forgot to say how do you know Jesus has not assigned you as meek to the citizenship of his Government on earth,

It would certainly show meekness to accept his invite wherever he wants us.

Mt 25:34“Then the King will say to those on his right: ‘Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world.

You see he says come. We can not force our destination.


KingdomCome 10 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

I think the JW's would fall under the list of churches that worship a Counterfeit Jesus. When you realize that JW's teach in their false doctrine that Jesus Christ was a Angel. Right KandT.


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PlanksandNails 10 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Hxprof,

I agree. We must have the truth within us before we can preach the true Gospel. It is clearly evident that those that abide in God’s Word are his true disciples because the result manifests into the most important trait (truth) that must precede having the true love of God within us. Deception and false doctrine must be burned away first.

Scripture states,

“IF you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples – John 8:31

The condition is IF, and THEN, “you are truly my disciples.” The carnal “Christian” will be at enmity with this because they want the relative “truth” that tickles their ears.

Unfortunately, many are too carnal minded and have no desire to be subject to the truth, but those who are open to truth will become uncomfortable, be convicted and repent of their false doctrines.

Abiding in God's Word is abiding in truth.

Love…it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices WITH THE TRUTH. – 1 Corinthians 13:6

Hopefully, many as you say will listen.

Thank-you for your thoughts. They are appreciated.


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PlanksandNails 10 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Kiss and Tales,

You quote from the New World Translation. This article applies to the Jehovah Witnesses too who allow the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society to be their mediators between them and God.

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. - John 16:13 ESV

Your version of the "Bible" states,

However, when that one comes, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own initiative, but what he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things to come. - John 16:13 NWT, "JW Bible"

Scripture states that the Holy Spirit will teach us all things.

In the practice of JW's, the "one" in their Bible translation is the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.


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PlanksandNails 10 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Neil,

These Scripture passages are relevant words and should be heeded by many today. May we be diligent in reading God's Word and proclaiming the truth in it. Time is running short and judgement is coming. May we be on the side of the KING OF KING AND LORD OF LORDS.

Thank-you for the additional truth to this theme. God Bless.


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PlanksandNails 10 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

KingdomCome,

I couldn't agree with you more.


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

Planks, why are you stuck On translation of a language you do not speak KJV, who has replaced the personal name of God Tetragrammaton YHWH, you have nothing to say about that, Jw as you say have undone the damage done by kingJames of England, 7000 times. Tetragrammaton appears to glorify Gods name.

How can you if you support hiding it as well,

Next you are so worried about stoning the Name intirely because you are convence you have truth,

Then why are you not supporting the scritures I gave which is also in King James, I was raised , a baptist, seventh day, so I am very sure of and clear of scriptural content of comparisons of doctrinal beliefs, and scriptures that are genuine of Jesus words.

Jesus was very concern of the Fathers name and the reputation he knew that satan would corrupt

and hide .

Notice Joh 12:28 Father, glorify your name.” Then a voice came out of heaven: “I have glorified it and will glorify it again.”

King James Version

Re 14:1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.

That name is important to be representive ,what belongs to him and be claimed by him we would would glorify his name, the name written in the foreheads.

So if you can not relate to this then it is another spirit that guides. We should be speaking in agreement

But you are attacking in the name of religion.

Why , because I have not named yours, the scriptures tell the truth that is what I gave you in our Language.


KingdomCome 10 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

PandN- Here's another false teach of the JW. They teach that Jesus Christ became King and STARTED ruling God's Kingdom in the year 1914. Now the following is proof that the JW are teaching a false doctrine related to Jesus Christ .

Jesus Christ said in Matthew 28:18(NKJV) 18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying; "ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN given TO ME in HEAVEN AND ON THE EARTH."

So these are the words in this verse that was spoken almost two thousand years ago by Jesus Christ. So this false doctrine of the JW that Jesus became King over God's Kingdom in the year 1914 is a flat out bald face lie.

Clearly JW ( and other Churches) worship a counterfeit Jesus. So, who is their Jesus who started ruling in the year 1914. Clearly it not the same Jesus Christ who was given ALL Authority in Heaven and on Earth almost 2000 years ago. Hummmm. And what amazes me is how the JW pew warmers don't see this.

And the JW clearly have NO UNDERSTANDING of the Kingdom of God (heaven).


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

Why are you so focus on Jw as wrong , you have not proved anything you say write from scriptures.

Prove your point before you can condemn scriptures used, again you error what you think you know of JW .if people want to know they come to your neighborhood as Jesus instructed, no other has carried out his command, but you attack the the subject and purpose of his work.

Lu 10:1 After these things the Lord designated 70 others and sent them out by twos ahead of him into every city and place where he himself was to go.

Mt 24:14 And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Mt 28:20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”

Jesus started the work and we are getting it done.

Are you helping or are you working against him .

You have said no message of Jesus work but you condemn who is obeying , why?


KingdomCome 10 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

KandT- I don't want to hear your twisted and out of context bible quotes. And also I notice how you completely avoided the subject of Jesus Christ and the year 1914 which was the bulk of my above comment. Is that because it true and you don't want to be seen as a liar?


KingdomCome 10 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

Here are the years that the JW predicted and taught that the world would end.........1914, 1918, 1925 and 1975. Now they stopped predicting because they realize they will lose members as they did each time a prediction had failed in the past. And if they loose members they loose a source of money. It all about greed on their part.


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

KC it is not your your question posted, why are you always , acting like you have authority over other grown Adults, they can not speak for themselves, you treat people as though they can talk on their own, you slso are bias to your own opinions with the wrong infomation.you still day the same things but no proof of what you say scripturally, there are many other religions you can comment about , but you chose this one, the same way satan attacks Jesus.

It must be right to get so much opposition as a sign of truth,

Lu 21:17and you will be hated by all people because of my name.

Mt 24:9“Then people will hand you over to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name.

Why do you fit these words .


KingdomCome 10 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

KadT- You are very good at avoiding direct comments that I have made to you. All you are doing is avoiding. You haven't commented on any single point I have made to you. You keep deflecting the points with bible quotes that have nothing to do with what I'm saying. And you're very good at it. So, why do you just answer the points I've made and stop deflecting everything. When truth is in you're face, you always change the subject.


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

When you speak truth , when you have proven a none bias comment, when you stop the slander, when you address and show the quantity of Jesus attributes then it is worth talking , but you are seeking to distroy Jesus work, you have not agreed to one scriptures, but you attack, as the bible say would happen.


KingdomCome 10 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

Again you avoid. Typical JW.


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

Typically you have proven what Jesus warned about.


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Rich kelley 10 months ago from The Ekklesia

Kiss Andtales

Gen 11:1 Now the whole earth used the same language and the same words.

Gen 11:7 Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."

I have had conversations with you about the “J” in your emphatic use of Jehovah as God’s real name. Most all of the evidence I presented to you was from the watch tower teachings so I wasn’t speaking anything that you shouldn’t be familiar with. I also provided evidence from a Hebrew language institute that said they have TWO best guesses of what His name could be but nothing is for sure. That guess would be for Hebrew not knowing if Hebrew was the original language on the earth or not. No one knows the real name of God as shown by the scriptures above. At one time everyone spoke the same language so they all had the same word for the same thing. No one knows what that one language everyone spoke or if they knew the actual name of God. Today as you know there are many languages and all have a different translation for God and what His name might be. Most accept this and move on calling God by the many names He is known by, but for some reason despite patiently presenting evidence from many sources, you chose to make an issue of something that cannot be proven.

Jehovah is a Latin origin word from a dead language like the old Elizabethan English used in the KJV that you like to point out as in error. I sing songs with the word Jehovah, Lord, God, Most High, the I Am. I don’t get into a fight with people because Jehovah is correct and the rest are wrong. The religion you practice (by your own admission) makes this an issue despite the over whelming evidence against the man made doctrine. The journey that those who follow Christ on is one out of darkness into His wonderful light, the Jehovah doctrine is darkness and in darkness there is not light. Come out from among them.


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

Again what is wrong with the Tetragrammaton you do not use that at all, and if you are so convence of not using his name, because humans created this so call rule not to use, then you are certainly guilty of denying the Soveriegn Father of us all who's name post 7000 times Tetragrammaton,

Jesus read God's personal name from the scrolls out if Isaiah. Isa 61:1The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, Because Jehovah anointed me to declare good news to the meek. He sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And the wide opening of the eyes to the prisoners,

It was after the conspiracy to erase his appearance and activities as the Messiah that the oppostate Jews tried to erase God’s name from their books, but to late, the truth had already been distributed from the early disciples and those first congregations of Jesus Ministry with their own ginuine copies of truth,

You also are not telling the truth of meaning to this , you pronounce J, with Jesus name as with ease, but you forbid any in using J in Jehovah’s name, shame on you, then use the Tetragrammaton .

Who told you not to use God’s name to glorify it.?

The Angels do, so now are you better then Angels?

Re 5:11And I saw, and I heard a voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders, and the number of them was myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands

Re 15:4 Who will not really fear you, Jehovah, and glorify your name, for you alone are loyal? For all the nations will come and worship before you, because your righteous decrees have been revealed.”

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Rich kelley 10 months ago from The Ekklesia

Kiss Andtales

If you refuse to address the evidence before you I'll not follow you down the rabbit hole you want to run down. Don't same me for something I didn't say do or imply. I say Jehovah (Latin) I say Jesus (English) and never do I make religious dogma out of it and neither should you. It is not the fact that the word Jehovah exists but the religious dogma you want to attach to it.

This is a forest for the trees situation. You might not want to use the word "you" especially when that person hasn't done what "you" want to imply. Typically this is where I'm suppose to get personal with "You" and say things that ruffle your feathers. I'm speaking of the "Jehovah" doctrine, the fact that you want to defend it is your choice, but I have nothing personal against you. I've read many things you have said that were not seeded in religious dogma.

Just as a side note I don't think anyone actually knows the name of God if He actually has a "Personal name" as almost every instance it is not a name but a description of some attribute He is presenting while interacting with His human creation.

In the end it really isn't going to matter what we think his name is because it will all be cleared up by what is written on our foreheads. Funny thing about the forehead, you can't see the forehead only those that are looking at you can see your forehead. When they look at us they will see the name of God, because we are his Children and look like Him.

Rev 22:4 They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads.

Rich


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

So how do you Say YHWH Tetragrammaton in English ? From Hebrew, you do it the same as you do with Jesus name.

your opinion what the name on forehead means means I like Jesus meaning better.


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PlanksandNails 10 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Kiss andTales,

I am not stuck on a Bible translation. As you use the NWT, I was simply able to identify you as a Jehovah’s Witness.

This article fits perfect. You have your rituals as you go to the Kingdom Hall, sit in chairs, sing songs and then are indoctrinated into the Watchtower agenda.

Whether you realise it or not, the Watchtower is your “Mediator,” it is not Jesus Christ, but a “Jesus” of their own making.

I know you will disagree, but let me show you that you have been deceived.

JW’s report their sins to the elders. It is only then that true forgiveness is deemed to have taken place. “Repentance” is decided by the elders based on how one responds to a series of questions provided by the Watchtower.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. – 1 John 1:9

Jesus Christ is our Mediator before our Father in heaven, not the Watchtower.

The Watchtower’s is a governing body that has replaced the Holy Spirit because it is deemed to teach and interpret all Scripture for you.

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, HE WILL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. – John 14:26

The “Worldwide Security Under the Prince of Peace” book on pages 10-11, paragraph 16 states,

“Jesus Christ is not the mediator between Jehovah God and all of mankind.”

To the contrary Scripture states,

This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires ALL people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is ONE MEDIATOR between God and men, THE MAN CHRIST JESUS, who gave himself as a ransom for ALL, which is the testimony given at the proper time. – 1 Timothy 4:2-6

Jesus Christ is our only intercessor, or mediator.

Why does the Watchtower propaganda say that Jesus is not our mediator?

In the Watchtower on November 15, 1981 “Stay Awake and Keep Your Senses” it states,

“Come to Jehovah’s Organization for salvation, [because] the time no doubt will come when the message takes on a harder tone.”

I thought Jesus Christ said that people are to come to him so he can make our load lighter.

COME TO ME, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and LEARN FROM ME, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. – Matthew 11:28-30

Yet, the Watchtower states, “Come to us for salvation.”


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

You have corrected some of your so call knowledge of Jw, but it still has not changed the fact that you are slanderous,

That you are attacking Jesus Ministry and work that he started, you do not agree to scriptures at all, given, you are not saying or doing anything he reqires as a ginuine

representative , but you are doing work to draw people to yourself through hatred.

True followers of Jesus will know the truth when they hear it.

Joh 10:14 I am the fine shepherd. I know my sheep and my sheep know me,

So your anti work will be futile,

Perhaps you should consider where we are in time, and your history of Jw is off tract, because Jesus never gave a date of the end.

Mt 24:36“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.

So you have been misinformed by false imtations of Jw.

Sad , there are imposters all around , but Jesus is ginuine and have the ginuine workers of truth.

Why you are busy with this work of proving who is right or wrong,

The work load is almost finished.

Where have you obeyed Jesus.


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PlanksandNails 10 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Kiss andTales,

Unfortunately, you have been deceived. Simply quoting statements from Watchtower literature is not slander, but is called evidence.

Many questions have been brought before you, but you have failed to answer any of them.

Why have you outrightly ignored all questions pertaining to your association?

Is Jesus Christ your mediator?

If he is, then you need to take up this discrepancy with your handlers as their propaganda states, “Jesus Christ is not the mediator between Jehovah God and all of mankind.”

Calling me slanderous because I am "attacking" Jesus' ministry is ludicrous.

Is that what you are told to say to those who expose your doctrines for what they are?

Jesus' ministry is quite different than the "ministry" of the Watchtower and Tract Society that is a 501(c)3 state licensed corporate identity.

The ekklesia of Jesus Christ and their ministry has never been tax exception tool, nor ever will be.

The words of Jesus Christ in the testament of Scripture compared with the statements of the Watchtower and Tract Society simply do not add up.

Thus making VOID the word of God by your TRADITION that you have handed down. And many such things you do.” - Mark 7:13

This article pertains to people like you who give lip service to Jesus Christ, but use the traditions of man under the banner of a corporate entity as the tool for the "gospel." When confronted on this issue, they call all who oppose "slanderous."

The epitome of organized religion are sheeple who parrot what their owners tell them to say. They cannot think independently outside of their controlled collective.

Why do Jehovah’s Witnesses deny proof from their own literature?

It is called classic cognitive dissonance.


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

First you are asking me to submit to you ! I only sumit to Jehovah and to Jesus, the bible is enogh proof of the truth I share and encourage , so far what are you encouraging

to hate a certain religion not doing what Jesus says do. You will keep at this fooling yourself and people that listen to you is doing God work. Jesus clear instructions as followed by Jw as you denounce,

Mt 28:19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,

Mt 28:20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”

We are at the conclusion where is your eork he commanded?

So far your work has proven to slander , and hate , that you speak against the work Jesus command us to do.

While your ego keeps you talking one way

I have no more to say to you

But you are decieving yourself to think you are doing a service to God bashing the name

JEHOVAH.

Why are you not giving him praise and honor as the angels , no you like attacking people on the subject,

Why ! You are not fighting against humans

You are fighting against something higher and more powerful then us all.

So your word's are just words.


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PlanksandNails 10 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Kiss andTales,

("I only sumit to Jehovah and to Jesus...)

This is simply not true. I will prove it to you.

What you are going through is a condition where there are two conflicting beliefs at battle in your mind. Predictable diversion tactics, such as using words like "slander" and hate are common" among the indoctrinated. Systematic programming in Watchtower literature has been imbedded into your mind. I realize that it would be extremely difficult to change your mind even when the proof is right in front of you.

The Watchtower and Tract Society is a 501(c)3 corporate identity and was never deemed by Jesus as the instrument to dispense truth.

Why?

It is because creator of a corporation is the State.

The State is the sole authority and sovereign head over a corporation. The corporation is subject to the laws of the State, which limits its powers.

Here are some important facts too consider:

The corporation has no constitutionally protected rights.

The corporation is an artificial person.

The corporation submits to a State Charter declaring it is a creature of the State.

The corporation is created for the benefit of the public.

The corporation is a State franchise.

The corporation is a privilege granted by the State.

The Watchtower and Tract Society is in violation of the Gospel by signing a contract that it will obey men.

But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must OBEY GOD RATHER THAN MEN. – Acts 5:29

If you want to obey God rather than men, why did you seek to put yourself under the authority and control of a 501c3 entity to be yoked up with unbelievers and be regulated by them?

NO MAN CAN SERVE TWO MASTERS: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. -Matthew 6:24

As a 501(c)3 entity, it has signed a contract that demands that you make your organization into something that benefits the public in terms that are predetermined by the government, not the Kingdom of God.

This means that Jesus Christ is no longer the authority in all matters of faith and practice.

“‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, teaching as doctrines the COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.’” -Matthew 15:8-9

THEY PROFESS THAT THEY KNOW GOD; BUT IN WORKS THEY DENY HIM, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. -Titus 1:16

I hope you may be getting a clearer picture that you have been assimilated into an artificial corporate identity. This entity is a yoke of bondage that gives lip service to Jesus, but does not allow him to be the Head and Mediator.


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

Pl, you have nothing to prove accept to Jehovah and Jesus, do not waist your time proving to me or any human, my life and future is not based on what and how you think.

So far all you have proved is your negative thoughts toward Jw. Which is not going to give you a metal from Jesus.

The last thing I want to say is you remind me of two doctors , one who is doing everthing they can to save life, while the other is questioning the doctors abilities , his background, his credentials, the patient is on the table hanging on needing his life saved, he is just in the way talking not doing anything for the patient, but the doctor that is doing whatever he can is getting the job done ,while the other stands by the sidelines an do nothing but criticize the doctor who is helping,

What can you do and say to help people as Jesus ask us to share in this education of teaching. You still have produce nothing.

But to say Jw is wrong, there is no such thing, because they give scriptures , but you say the scriptures are wrong. No you are wrong .

My last post to you !


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PlanksandNails 10 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Kiss andTales,

Did you know in 1969 that the Watchtower published a reference book called "Aid to Bible Understanding?"

It can be read on pages 884 and 885 that explains that the Jews used to insert the vowels of "Adonai" into the Tetragrammaton "YHWH" to remember to say Lord (Adonai) instead of God's name while reading the sacred texts. The two words put together read: "Yehowah."

In 1270, a Dominican Spanish monk by the name of Raymundus Martin published a book called "Pugeo Fidei" in which he wrote in the latinized form of "Yehowah" as "Jehovah". He was the first to do so.

What the Watchtower won't tell you is that Raymundus misread the two words as one. In other words, the name Jehovah was a mistake. What they have told you is that vowel points were inserted to try to find the correct pronunciation of God's name in English.

The Watchtower soon realized their published error in their book, "Aid to Bible Understanding" by quickly replacing it with another work called, "Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 1 & 2," © 1988 where the entire explanation was removed.

The mention of the book is also not available on the Watchtower CD Rom when searching for Raymundus Martini. Jehovah's Witnesses have been deceived to believe the lie that Jehovah is really God's name, and the explanation that Jehovah is an English rendering of Yahweh.

In truth, Jehovah is the LATINIZED form of a mistaken understanding of Hebrew practices of ancient times.

Here is an objective look from this video link using the Watchtower's published works as proof of this coverup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWzetMUXPGo


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

Is that your work trying to prove wrong , no matter what you say I am following Jesus instructions , while you waist time on who did what and why , your whole point and reasoning is still not valid, it is like this, what good would it be to copy phoney money, you see it still will produce what its worth nothing, your words and infomation is like phoney money copied and circulated and you want people to think that your infomation proves value, no ! It doesn't, you are stuck on yourself, your ego for saying it on hp in the first place, and anyone can see you are bashing the messengers for delivering the message Jesus command to be done before the end breaks out.

You are not helping Jesus you working against him. Do not post to me again as I ask and wanted to leave in peace.

But you continue using false information from imposters who have also copied false information. None of you have any accurate infomation but slander Gods name through the mud. Sad!

Why can you not use your energy to help people learn scriptures , but no you attack people who help people learn the truth, typical of some one used to keep people in darkness.

Do not post to me again .


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Rich kelley 10 months ago from The Ekklesia

Kiss andTales

We are using your mint, the mint that has verified incorrect information. Their method of correction is to just re-print the information (money) leaving out the lies from before. This has nothing to do with us.

If you found arsenic as one of the ingredients in something you were eating, would you turn to the person that pointed it out to you and shake your finger at them because they showed you the ingredients of what you were eating and serving to others was bad. No you wouldn't .

One bit of poison at a time is being shown to you and your answer is that the messenger is doing something wrong. You have got to be kidding?

Your addiction to what you have putting in your body is obvious. Try stopping the blame game and actually read the references being given to you from the plate you are eating off of.

You don't have to continue to point your finger at us, you need to start actually researching the food you are putting into your mouth. You have been told it is organic and it is actually hybrid and man made. It appears to give life yet it is a slow death of ignorance that will kill in the end.


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

No what you have is the imposter mint, who fooled you from the start, is this the same thing , that Jesus had to define when he said drink my blood, eat my flesh, and yet they could not or will not get the sense of it, they took his words and used it for a reason to leave , the same thing , Jesus said do you want to leave also, Jesus has no time to for people to find fault in his provision it is perfect , and blessed by Jehovah, but you who try to bad mouth his work and accomplishments are the newer korrah of Moses day, you speak against Jehovah and what he uses yet not doing nothing as he ask as a command,

So what you have in your hands is error from

Another who is like you .

Phoney from the phoney.

Why would Jesus trust people who think like you with his sheep, he wouldn't.

So where does that really place you.again to you do not post to me again.


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Rich kelley 10 months ago from The Ekklesia

Kiss andTales

There you go again pointing the finger at someone when it is your mail I'm reading from. It is your documents and your religions teachings We are speaking about. Nothing we have made up, yet you want to make this about us?

You are truly mixed up and I understand this but stop for a minute and think, this isn't what I think it says in scripture or anything like that, it is what YOUR denomination says. Your writings, your teachings. So leave me out of it, I'm not the one with blinders on here.

The error is from your religion. Keep eating what they are feeding you and you will someday realize.

By the way Jesus didn't turn His sheep over to anyone, not even your elders that you gave that power to. The sheep belong to Jesus they are His. If you would have not allowed some religion to climb in over the fence to mess with the sheep you wouldn't be in this situation to start with.

Come back after you have researched your information(not ours), don't ask your elders what it means, go find it and read the black and white that is there for anyone with eyes to see.

Until you address the cage you have put yourself in I, Me, We can #1 not be blamed, and #2 the most important, help you.

You keep telling us not to address you yet you come to the door knocking with your comments. You might try using your brain instead of being and echo for what others have told you.

By the way your personal attacks only show how bad things are.

Start with the MANY references to YOUR lit and then get back with us, we would love to help someone out of the darkness into His wonderful light.

Rich


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

As Jesus said keep believing as you wish, but Jesus works continue, despite the ridicule and opposers.

You want to believe it so you own it.


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

Also if you say KT I respond, the omly reason I commented to you,

I have no doubt of what Jesus commands and expect of me , but evidently you are lost

and want others to follow your trail.

No ! What belongs to Jesus will be saved.

He is the judge of that.

So again no use to keep posting to me

I am not the judge .


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PlanksandNails 10 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Rich,

The comments from the Jehovah's Witness have become nonsensical. The reason is that the Watchtower has prevented the JW from objectively analyzing factual information. Their minds are trained to never doubt the organization. This wall can clearly be seen through the discourse here.

A child who is blinded by an overwhelming love for his/her mother will not have the maturity to handle the complexities of human nature. The mother could be convicted of murder in a court of law with undeniable evidence, but the child will still blinded by the feelings for the mother no matter how many efforts there are to convince the child that his/her mother is a murderer.

In similar fashion, the Watchtower is the "mother," and Jehovah is the Father. Jehovah does not speak directly to the JW; instead they must rely on their “mediator,” the “mother” organization for guidance and instruction. The JW is reminded over and over how trustworthy the "mother" is, and how they cannot survive without her. The “mother” gives “love,” “security” and “protection.” The “mother” says, “Jesus Christ is not the mediator between Jehovah God and all of mankind.” She goes on to say, “Come to Jehovah’s Organization for salvation, [because] the time no doubt will come when the message takes on a harder tone.”

Any Scriptural evidence that refutes these statements from the “mother” is viewed as “attacking Jesus’ ministry,” “disobedient” and “slanderous.” These type of nonsensical tactics work among their kind, but to the outsider makes no sense as the evidence has been already weighed and tested.

The discourse presented here between the JW fits with the title of the presented article, “The Counterfeit “Jesus.”” This is a good for information and study purposes in trying to understand the JW.

The JW is part of a collective that reinforces complete allegiance to the "mother." The "mother" has taught them not to listen to anything critical of her. Independent thought would be “an imposter” and “working against Jesus.”

The JW is prevented from thinking objectively. This causes them to react with strong emotions whenever evidence is brought up concerning the validity of the Watchtower and Tract Society. The JW has no ability to examine the motives and truthfulness of the "mother;" therefore, all they can do is turn on those who do with something that misleads and distracts from the relevant, or original issue.

The JW is not trained to independently answer questions of the sceptic, only to be satisfied that "mother" HAS the answer, and that is that.

The 501(c) 3 organization has become their “mediator” and “saviour.” As seen in commentary, it is futile to ask them questions concerning the Watchtower, as they will deem critical examinations by others as “opposers to truth.”

The JW will not look at the evidence, but out rightly ignore it. They have been trained to behave this way. They have been brainwashed, or what Watchtower calls it, “mind cleansed.”

Again, we can use the words of the Watchtower to expose their mind control tactics used to create compliant slaves.

MINDS MUST BE CLEANSED and made over, mental circuits formed by old-world thinking and acting faded out and new ones put in according to new-world specifications. – Watchtower June 1, 1953

What does all this mean?

In a simple explanation, this is how “mind cleansing” works.

When it comes to the complexities of the brain, there are some distinctions on how it processes information. The right side of the brain is the analytical side where thoughts are processed in “the lab” so to speak. This is where new information is weighed and tested, compared and contrasted, dissected and put back together. The left side of the brain is the “library” where the information is stored, or archived.

There is a process of “mind cleansing” that the Watchtower uses to administer their propaganda to the collective. The will inundate their “slaves” by firmly administering them with “train loads” of information (propaganda). The “slave” does not have time to properly analyze all the information that they have been given before it is stored in their “library” on the left side of their brain.

All information presented is deemed as “truth” without question without even knowing for sure. Anything outside of the “mother” are called “lies.”

The constant flow of unchecked information gets filed away in the “library” as “truth.” “Train loads” of information are forced through “the lab” without due diligence straight into to the “library.” This is how process of “mind cleansing” starts to take effect. “Truth” without question leaves the “slave” in a quagmire of nonsensical contradictions when questioned about their “mother.”

“Mind cleansing” is twofold. It requires constant repetition without proper time to analyze the information, and then is stored away as “truth.” This process is done over and over again until slaves eyes gloss over to the complete unwavering devotion to “mother.”

As a slave, resistance is futile once assimilated into the Watchtower.


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Rich kelley 10 months ago from The Ekklesia

Planks

Thanks for the explanation. I have noted that JW are not the only one's that do these things, this seems to have become very common in the mega churches with the hero pastor figure head.

I found a link that deals with brain washing, mind cleansing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nmYOQIidqo

Start as young as you can and the leaders will never have to defend their motives or actions, the sheep will do it for them.


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

You planks did say something right brain washing, really that is a good thing and only thing he has said right yes We get our brains clean from the defilement of satans world , we know it is wrong to kill, steal, commit emorality, we know and take very serious Jesus instructions of who he will allow as citizen's to live under his administration,

1Co 6:9 Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality,

So if you want to say we been washed clean from the defilement of this world

The you are not lying.

Just as the body needs cleaning so do the brain, and I am proud to stand clean in front of my King.

Re 7:14 So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one who knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Yes a washing was done.

So the reason you want to sling your dirt is because you do not find it convenient to wash and be a citizen ready for Jesus kingdom which is required.

No you are trying to dirty up a robe like youself , be like me, think like me, you day ,No I like where I am

Clean minds, clean lifestyles will enter the new kingdom.


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PlanksandNails 10 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

The JW’s comments here are great for analyzing and thus reveals the superimposing techniques used by the Watchtower and Tract Society making themselves as “"God" (aka “Jehovah”) This is a bait and switch technique used by the Watchtower for "mind cleansing." It is so obvious to an outsider, but the JW will not have a clue about their obvious behaviours.

Unfortunately, the docile sheeple have no idea what is going on. The "God" they call "Jehovah" is actually the Watchtower and Tract Society.

Who they call "Jesus" is also the Watchtower and Tract Society.

Their "Mediator" is also the Watchtower and Tract Society.

Their "Salvation" is also the Watchtower and Tract Society.

“Truth" is the Watchtower and Tract Society.

All who oppose “God” (aka “Jehovah,” “Jesus” and the “Watchtower and Tract Society”) are blinded by “Satan”(aka “opposer,” “someone who questions,” “the analyzer,” “independent thinker,” “judging,” “phoney,” “slanderous,” “ego,” “imposter,” etc.)

The JW's comments reveal the textbook way the indoctrinated attempt to reinforce their own doctrine. It becomes nonsensical.

It becomes a circular reasoning merry-go-round.

Let’s take an indoctrinated ride and see where we go. Let’s see if we move towards something, or move in a complete circle.

Here goes!

God (the Watchtower Society) chose the Watchtower Society in 1919.

How do they know?

Well, in 1919 the Watchtower Society (aka “Jehovah”) was speaking the “truth”(aka Watchtower Society).

All the false teachings, false prophecies and cover-ups are “truth”(aka Watchtower Society) ignored completely by the JW.

Why?

No one else teaches the “truth” because “Satan” (aka all those outside of the Watchtower and Tract society) has blinded them.

Are Jehovah Witnesses blind?

No! because “God” (aka “Watchtower Society;” “Jehovah”) chose the Watchtower Society in 1919.

How do you know?

Well, in 1919 the Watchtower Society (aka “Jehovah”) was speaking the “truth”(aka Watchtower Society).

All the false teachings, false prophecies and cover-ups are “truth”(aka Watchtower Society) ignored completely by the JW.

Why?

No one else teaches the “truth” because “Satan” (aka all those outside of the Watchtower and Tract society) has blinded them.

Are Jehovah Witnesses blind?

No! because “God” (aka “Watchtower Society;” “Jehovah”) chose the Watchtower Society in 1919.

Unfortunately, this nonsensical ride can go on and on in the mind of the JW.

Hopefully, the JW will come to their senses and do some independent thinking (anything outside of what they have been told to do over and over and over again) and come to the truth about their organization.

Maybe staying on this ride will help.

There is hope. Many have left the bondage of man-made religion.

Here is a good video link of a form JW who sheds some light on the “mind cleansing” (aka brainwashing) techniques used on both children and adults.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYjRRR8qvV4


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

Dont you get tired of trying to teach people how to hate others because of their choice.

There are better things to talk about then to focus on how to hate a peticular religion, first why do you target this one, is obvious that you have not really disclosed the truth.

Mt 22:39 The second, like it, is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’

Real christians follow Jesus example.


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Rich kelley 10 months ago from The Ekklesia

I see your Matthew 22:39 and raise you Ezekiel 3:18-19

Ezekiel 3:18-19 When I tell the wicked, ‘You will surely die;’ and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man will die in his iniquity; but I will require his blood at your hand. Yet if you warn the wicked, and he doesn’t turn from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he will die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.”

Because you say something is hate doesn't make it so. To not warn our neighbors would be a violation of Matthew and Ezekiel's warnings.


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

Warn them of what, there is nothing, I have been on HP for years , is there any thing I have done that could cause anyone harm? anything or any scripture that would hurt you.

No .so far you guys are spreading hate , and bias to your beliefs, bashing another.


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Rich kelley 10 months ago from The Ekklesia

Again you say hate, we are warning of false doctrine and following man's teachings that is not hate. That is a mandate from scripture not religion.

There is no bashing this has been very civil, no name calling or demeaning comments made at you. We are talking about the false doctrines of man taught in the publications of a particular religion.

The act of adultery is not good. Claiming God yet following the teachings of man would be adultery. Everything you need is in His word, untainted by some religions volumes and volumes of supplemental information. What, the writer of the Scriptures didn't say enough that it needs some dogmatic additional volumes of man's opinions that can be proven wrong.

You wish this was only hate speech yet you know down inside it has nothing to do with hate but in fact is the purest kind of love there is. Concern about ones life. I was lost in the salvation of my own mind for years myself. I caused no one harm. None of that will be an excuse when we see Him face to face. Implication that being nice counts is incorrect.

Have you harmed anyone, yes you have. Quoting this:

Mt 22:39 The second, like it, is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’

With the implication that we should just let false doctrines pass and not mention them or we wouldn't be loving our neighbor. Yet Ezekiel's scripture makes it very clear what we are to tell our neighbors as we love them. This is why we talk to you of the false doctrines you choose to defend.


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

You and yours say that I am hurting people from Jesus quote . To love your neighbor is hurting some one.

I do not think no one has been hospitalized from that scripture.

I do not think Jesus would agree to your statement since he made it to his disciples.

Your words do not support Jesus.

Sad and you want to attack me for supporting it.

We have nothing in common

Why keep posting to me Jehovah is Judge.


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Rich kelley 10 months ago from The Ekklesia

Yet if you warn the wicked, and he doesn’t turn from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he will die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.”


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Kiss andTales 10 months ago

How do you know, I do not, Jehovah is the Judge in the end. The scriptures says

Zep 2:3 Seek Jehovah, all you meek ones of the earth, Who observe his righteous decrees. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably you will be concealed on the day of Jehovah’s anger.

It did not say you are saved it said probably.

So even if we try , he still judges the outcome.


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Rich kelley 10 months ago from The Ekklesia

"How do you know, I do not"

Your own confession and adherence to what man have devised. He will judge and punish. We have been given the answers to the test, to change the questions so our answers fit is doomed for failure, and that love that we don't have, doesn't want to see that happen.

You can't say I love you God while sleeping with what man has devised to replace Him. Jesus can't be our High Priest and advocate before the throne when we place man between him and us, be it a priest, pastor, elder, or organization.


InTheEnd 6 months ago

With all respect to "KissandTales", my own experiences with JW's has been what PlanksandNails mentioned, "circular reasoning." I've found the same with devout Mormons and Christian Scientists as well. Only problem is that using rules of logic and analytical thinking seldom work. And, it's not just JW's who have a hard time breaking out of the ad hominem or tautological thinking and responses...kind of the state of Western thinking now...people are seeing with their ears and hearing with their feelings (I think Ravi Zacharias said that, not sure)...how do you break through that wall? Only the Holy Spirit. My own recent experiences with JW's has been to listen and as you are doing, ask questions, try to show inconsistencies, etc.. But, I found that nothing worked better than just letting them politely know I disagree with them and before they would leave asking if I could hug them or pray for them. Talk about wide open eyes and looks of fear on their faces! But I remember one time this opened up one JW lady coming by several times. I am a hobby musician and we even sort of bonded over the common human love of good music. It opened a lot of dialogue. The thing I remember from our last conversation was that it seemed so hard for her to accept that I didn't see her as a potential proselyte as much as just a human being, someone I would love even if we disagreed. I mean, it was bad. She seemed almost incapable of receiving friendship...everything was trying to convince me the Bible was not complete, that Jesus wasn't "Jehovah" (which by the way, your research into the Latinized misspelling/mispronunciation is correct...I've researched that as well), etc.. "Okay," I would say, "Can I give you a hug before you go?" Wide eyes and fearful glances. But, I thought to myself, Yeshua would love her. Not saying I didn't debate her or others from time to time, but at some point it's not worth it. Waste of time. Just hug them, pray for them, and move on, trusting that God will work on their hearts so that they, and others, will realize just how much the Messiah was 1. God, and 2. Loves them. KissandTales...don't know you. But I love you with the love of Yeshua, even if it means I have to disagree with you. But understand that part of love is trying to 1. help you think for yourself, and 2. not see everything as an attack on yourself personally. We're just examining ideas here, nothing more. And I imagine PlanksandNails probably loves you as well. Praying for you all. Peace.

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