The Cruelty Of The Christian God Part 3

Ephesians 5:22-23 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church.


Woman are the possessions of men, in the eyes of this god. They own them and are above them. So much for woman's lib if you are Christian. When god was handing out the laws, he also provided for the slavery of beautiful woman, as is seen in these next passages.


DEU 21:10 When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy

God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,


DEU 21:11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;


DEU 21:12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;


DEU 21:13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.


It does not say that she should consent to this marriage. It is enough that you allow her a month to mourn the parents you have murdered. Then you can go to her and take her at will. I think we call that rape these days. But that's fine with God.


Oh, and then there is: What shall we do with unruly boys?


DEU 21:18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:


DEU 21:19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;


DEU 21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.


DEU 21:21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.


The benevolence and forgiving nature of this god amazes me. (Please excuse my sarcasm) Then there is Jesus himself


Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. (Jesus)


Even though Jesus is seen as all loving, he shows here that the message of god has not changed. "Love me, worship me, or go to hell" is still the order of the New Testament. The next passage shows this as well.


Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth. (Jesus)


Then there is the next gem.


Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. (Jesus)

¬Luke 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be

my disciple.


Jesus says this after becoming angry with prospective disciples who tell him they must attend to their lives. One man had just been married. Another had just bought a few head of oxen. He actually tells them that if they don't hate their father and mother, wife, children, brothers and sisters, they cannot be with him. Are these the words of a lamb? To me, they are the words of a fanatic.


Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (Jesus)


Contrary to popular belief, Jesus is telling us that his message is not one of love and peace, but one of vengeance and retribution. Again I must point out that the message of god has not changed in this regard.


Deuteronomy 23:1 He that is wounded in the stones (testicles), or hath his privy member (penis) cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.


Anyone with any disfigurement need not apply to enter heaven. This is contrary to other scriptures that say that those who are castrated get to heaven faster. It also is contradictory to all that Jesus said about the blind and disfigured later on in Luke.


It is easy to see where this idea comes from, though. We must remember that only the unblemished sheep is a fit sacrifice for god. This is just an extension of that idea.

Everything seems to depend on the writer of the passages, and his interpretation of what his god wants. But to punish those with disfigurement is cruelty.


Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these (things).


This is my favorite quote of all, for many reasons. This quote points to a very different god than any Christian is willing to acknowledge. It also illustrates what I said before about the onus for our behavior being full square on god. He leaves no doubt as to who is to blame for whatever happens to creation.



What god wants is for us to worship, love and fear him. But when a person fears someone, can they also love them? Or does fear breed cowering followers, bent only on making sure they do not tread on the abusers toes? It does not inspire anyone to love god, only to obey him out of fear of reprisal. If that is all you know from the time of your birth, I suppose you are used the idea and see nothing wrong with it. It's like a child who does everything in their power to convince an abusive parent to love them. It is, however, a pitiable way to live. Where is free will? Where is this loving god they speak of? It seems he only really loves himself, the rest of creation is less than he, and beneath him.


The Jewish god was both good and evil. It went beyond that. It defined what evil is and what good is in relation to us. It created the conditions for both. In other words it determines the rules of the game and that is all life is. Life is god’s game and we are forced to play it by his rules. But he is not restricted by such rules.


The Christian god was neutered. It created good and we, it’s flawed creation, created evil. Yet we are made by a perfect god and were made perfect until we sinned. How could we sin if we \were perfect? That is one of the impossible fantasies of Christianity. The very idea is illogical in the extreme.


Of course this completely contradicts the OT. They do not believe in the Jewish god at all. It’s a whole new god. An all good god. It is of course an absolutely impossible paradoxical god as is the entire religion.


But no matter what god we are talking about, I have to go back to the one thing it obviously did if it exists which shows it’s absolute cruelty. That is, again, to create a world where everything must kill something if it is going to eat. A world where food feels pain.


If any conscious being created the universe, no matter who’s god, then it is a cruel god in the extreme. Its crimes against its creation are unforgivable.


Yet if we were produced by a natural process, then the apparent cruelty of the world is just the only way the world could come to be. And the reason it is not cruel is because there was no intent involved.


Evil is intent. Only a conscious being can have intent. A process follows cause and effect according to its nature.


So if a conscious god exists then it is to blame for all our hardships and our suffering. It created the conditions for it. It is guilty of cruelty by default.


If on the other hand the universe is governed by natural processes that are not conscious, then life is just the way it is. It is no one’s fault and we better make the best of it. For me then, not only is there no god required; no conscious god is desirable.


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5 comments

anonymous 4 years ago

Anger and sadness fills me. This Biblical concept of God is disturbing. This God supposedly hates sin and evil and yet He continues to allow it for thousands to millions of years with no end in sight. If He hates human sin so much then why is He allowing thousands of years of it? Conducting this experiment with free will and Adam and Eve was a COLOSSAL mistake disaster tragedy travesty and screwup. Noah was the man who was supposed to start the human race on a fresh clean slate after the Flood. More bungling follows. This so called righteous man of God becomes historys first drunkard and he curses one of his sons to slavery. This verse in the Bible is used to justify slavery. Its an embarrassment and travesty. And what did the animals do to deserve being wiped out in a Flood? How did Noah get sloths from South America and Grizzly bears from North America and Koalas from Australia on the ark? How could all those animals fit in the ark? In a worldwide flood plants fruits trees flowers and herbs would also be needed to be preserved aboard the ark. How did Noah manage this? This story is one of the most messed up in the Bible and doesn't make a drop of sense. Taken literally word for word the story sinks. The author who wrote this was ignorant of the vastness of the world and the numerousness diversity and complexity of life For the author the world meant whatever he could see. A local flood with just the LOCAL animal life on the ark is believable and makes sense and not the literal absurdity which the Bible says. Literally it sounds like a myth a fairy tale or a Mothers Goose nursery rhyme. Taken word for word this tale of Noahs Ark and a worlwide flood is as absurd as Santa Claus and his flying reindeer coming down every chimney in a single night of the year. Its an IMPOSSIBILITY. If God really hates sin and evil then He should not be allowing eons of it to exist. Were told that God is testing our faith and God has an unknowable reason beyond human comprehension for allowing evil sin and suffering. My mind is not at ease with these assertions. Theodocies are arguments or execuses to get God off the hook for evil and suffering in the world. Im not a proponent of theodicy and Im not going to defend it. God is deficient. I say ENOUGH God. Enough with your free will enough with your Adam and Eves sin enough with your Devil enough with your testing our faith and enough with your unknowable divine plan which us humans cant comprehend. The only justifiable theodicy or reason that God has in my view would be this: 1) God did not create nor cause nor will evil and suffering. Something else did such as blind amoral Nature or the Devil or demons and 2) God is not allowing evil and suffering but rather God is UNABLE to prevent it because God is either not powerful enough or not smart enough resulting in absolute DUALISM. Two more reasons that are justifiable reasons for God are 1) Gods power is intermittent and comes and goes and needs to be recharged like a battery. And 2) Maybe God is physically sick or mentally sick. Any other reasons or theodicies such as free will and Adam and Eves sin doesn't have a leg to stand on.


anonymous 4 years ago

Religious people and theologians are unable to see the cruelty and insanity of this Biblical God. Creating evil and suffering and allowing it as this God has done is a SIN AND A CRIME. Creating and allowing diseases violence killing death overpopulation starvation hurricanes tsunamis intense cold intense heat centipedes jellyfish ticks fleas lice tapeworms nematodes screw worm flies Assassin bugs birth defects deformities human stupidity insanity are all SINS. Allowing all this human cruelty depravity stupidity is a SIN. Humans have made the world into a bigger hellhole than it already. Nature's cruel side is a hell and human beings have greatly added and increased the hell on earth. God's refusal to provide for the needs of His creatures is a SIN. And this experiment with free will Satan and Adam and Eve was and is a grievous error disaster tragedy travesty and screwup. An all knowing God who foresaw all the evils and cruelties and who went ahead ANYWAY with this insane cruel destructive experiment is an insane cruel criminal lunatic and a moral monstrosity resembling a mad scientist from a horror movie. This God ORCHESTRATED the Fall or the disobedience or sin of Adam and Eve. He allowed a talking tempting Snake to enter the Garden of Eden to tempt and deceive. This God HELPED to cause the Fall. He helped make it happen and instead of forgiving Adam and Eve He throws a hissy fit and goes berserk and decides to curse and punish the ENTIRE creation along with Adam and Eve. Pass on the curse blame and punishment to everyone everything everywhere thereby ruining trashing His entire creation because two ignorant humans ate a forbidden apple thousands of years ago. Insanity irrationality stupidity cruelty injustice unkind unloving unwise unfair unintelligent uncouth uncaring unreasoning unforgiving. A God who does this is UNWORTHY of worship. He has ruined and flushed the entire creation down the toilet. This is inexecusable. Im embarrassed to call myself a Bible believing Christian. This God has chosen to abdicate the world to the Devil. This God cannot see sin in His cruel inhumane punishments and cannot see sin in His cruelty and negligence and cannot see sin in the suffering and evil He allows. Its an absentee landlord for a God. Allowing thousands to millions of years of evil sin suffering death and extinctions is a DISGRACE AND A CRIME. Im a 44 year old ugly mentally ill guy who is forever lonely. I cannot for the life of me get a single decent girlfriend for dating much less for marriage. Intense loneliness fills me day and night year after year. Why did you make me and many other people ugly God? What was the creator thinking? Who thought this was a smart idea? This is a stupid insane idea and its cruel and unjust and it has condemned countless people such as myself to lives of loneliness misery and alienation. Lonely people who don't have mates are more likely to turn to crime and more likely to turn to alcoholism and more likely to turn to suicide and are more vulnerable to getting heart disease stroke and cancer. A God who allows me to suffer from endless loneliness is unimaginably cruel and negligent. Unworthy of worship. I don't care to know such a God. This God has created and has allowed a horrible distressing situation which I am unable to do anything about it. Its a situation which I cannot help myself and cannot solve and cannot heal. Cruelty and negligence describes this God. Ruthless pitiless merciless heartless brainless. No pity no morals and no conscience. This God has no common sense and has no reasoning. An absentee parent and an absentee landlord is this God. This God is the biggest sinner and the biggest criminal of all. Cruelty and negligence are the biggest sins and the biggest crimes in my view and this God is both cruel and negligent. Its disgusting. It makes me sad and angry. Its an embarrassment.


anonymous 4 years ago

Were told that God loves us so much that He sent His only son Jesus Christ in human flesh to die for our sins. Why God would have to do this to forgive us is beyond me. Arent there more humane and more intelligent ways for God to forgive us? If Jesus Christ is the only way for God to forgive us of oir sins and the only way to Heaven then why didn't Christ and Bible authors make themselves clear? The Bible is vague ambiguous unclear and contradictory and has caused endless speculation disagreement confoundment contradiction division and confusion. Does God want people to remain divided and confused? This is disturbing especially considering that understanding the Bible or failure to understand the Bible can mean the difference between being saved and being unsaved. If our immortal souls are at stake then its imperative that the Bible should have been written in a clear manner for all to understand. Unfortunately the Bible is largely vague and incomprehensible from Genesis to Revelation. Jesus also says and does some embarrassingly stupid things such as telling us to pluck our eyes and cut off our hands if we have lustful thoughts. This is insanity as lustful thoughts and desires and drives are natural. And Jesus expects ALL OF US to live like religious fanatics and to forget and forsake all worldly things. He tells us to disregard our parents. Total denial abstinence privation deprivation poverty toil servitude and martyrdom are expected from EVERYBODY if were to be his worthy disciples. This is so out of touch with reality. If Jesus Christ was really the Son of God then either He was very ignorant about many of the mysteries about the creation or He refused to share His knowledge with anyone. Were the people at that time so stupid and devoid of curiosity that they didn't ask the Son of God such questions as the origin of the creation the origin of evil and suffering and about the mysteries of Nature. Questions such as how do Pigeons find their way home and do animals have souls and do animals have an afterlife are some of the questions I would ask. Pigeons are one of my favorite animals. They're peaceful gentle intelligent and easily tameable. They are part of the good in the creation. Why wasn't Christ interested in the welfare of animals? Jesus tells us to love eachother but He doesn't tell us how and He doesn't give us the means to do so. He healed a few people and exorcised a few people who were demonically possessed and he fed 5000 people with a miracle. That's all well and good but since He left earth mass starvation and disease continues and rages. Jesus Christs sacrifice is beneficial for the NEXT LIFE. It doesn't help us in THIS LIFE. Human sin and evil continues and rages and Natures savage forces continue to torture and kill despite Christs sacrifice. Christ said He would return again soon which has failed to come true. Christ said He would answer prayers and yet so many prayers go unanswered and so many miracles fail to take place. And Christ Himself said that more people are going to hell rather than heaven. If that's true then His coming and sacrifice was and is largely a failure and this is a win for the Devil. Satan then is winning this war between God. Why don't we as Christians just admit this. Christs sacrifice may give comfort for believers but it has not done one iota of good in helping me get a girlfriend and has not done one iota of good in curing diseases. The world is still a screwed up hellhole despite Christs coming to earth. Im still angry sad and lonely.


Eternity 22 months ago

Evnoerye would benefit from reading this post


Mercyis 11 months ago

To anonymous...

I do not deny your pain for I would deny my own. I do not deny your anger for my own has lingered. Our love for a greater love is without question and our limited abilities we don't understand. On my 20th anniversary of giving my all to this undoubtedly and sometimes cruel reality I was on my way out not being able to take it anymore. Rejection and loneliness makes for a shared suffering...why? I still ask. But in this terrible darkness I reached out and was comforted by the one I wanted to forsake. I want to share this with you and wish you and others the same. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VzprYCxPBQ

I came to this article to find like feelings, but in his mercy I found understanding.

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