The Divinity of Christ

A. I believe that Jesus was fully God…

I guess the best place to start with this truth is the beginning. Genesis 1:26 says, “Then God said, ‘Let US make man in our image, after our likeness…” Here we see that God is referring to Himself as plural so who does this include? The answer is in John 1:1-2, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.” So we see in the Gospel of John that the Word was in the beginning and that the Word was God. The next question is, “Who is the Word?” As we jump down a couple verses to John 1:14 we find that, “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.” So John declares that Jesus was with God and he also WAS God.

The prophet Isaiah says in Isaiah 9:6 that, “to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called ‘Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God…” Then we see in comparison Luke 2:11 which says, “For unto you is born this day in the City of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.” The Greek word here for “Lord” is used in the Old Testament Hebrew to mean Yahweh or God. So Jesus was a human child who was born also as Yahweh!

Going back to Jesus being tempted by Satan in the wilderness, we see that Jesus tells Satan the he is, in fact, God. Luke 4:5-12 tells the story of the next two temptations. The second one is Satan tempting Jesus with all authority and glory, to which Jesus replies, “You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve.” This is showing that Jesus is being in submission to God’s will. The last temptation is where Satan tempts Jesus to cast himself off a ledge, and Jesus responds, “You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.” Jesus is telling Satan, “Don’t tempt ME!”

In 451 A.D. the Chalcedonian Creed was written by a large group of priests who wanted to quell several heresies of their day about who Jesus was such as Docetism, Arianism, Nestorianism, and Monophysitism. The entire creed is based heavily on Scripture and states that,

“We, then, following the holy Fathers, all with one consent, teach men to confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, the same perfect in Godhead and also perfect in manhood, truly God and truly man, of a reasonable [rational] soul and body; consubstantial with us according to the Manhood; in all things like unto us, without sin; begotten before all ages of the Father according to the Godhead, and in these latter days, for us and for our salvation, born of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, according to the Manhood; one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, to be acknowledged in two natures, inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably; the distinction of natures being by no means taken away by the union, but rather the property of each nature being preserved and concurring in one Person and one Subsistence, not parted or divided into two persons, but one and the same Son, and only begotten, God, the Word, the Lord Jesus Christ, as the prophets from the beginning [have declared] concerning him, and the Lord Jesus Christ himself has taught us, and the Creed of the holy Fathers has been handed down to us.”

The Chalcedonian Creed is screaming the truth about Jesus; that he is one “who” with two “what’s” and those two “what’s” experience no confusion, no change, no division, and no separation.

Jesus also claims the title of “I AM” that God did with Abraham when he said that “your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was Glad.” So the Jews asked Jesus how he could have seen Abraham. Jesus responds in John 8:58, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, ‘I AM.’” This is a huge statement by Jesus. He was saying that, before something in the past occurred, he was something in the present. This meant that he was eternal. This meant that he was God.

The writer of Hebrews sums up who Jesus was in the first three verses of Hebrews 1 saying, “Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature…” Jesus was the exact imprint of God’s nature.

Jesus was clearly fully God.

In Conclusion, “…he believed the Lord, and he counted it to him as righteousness.” Before any of the proof I have presented or believed was even written down here, I still believed it was all that I’ve said it is simply because I have faith that it is.

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Dave Mathews 4 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

Thank you you hit the nail on the head with this one. A Homerun for certain. Jesus is in the father and the father is in Jesus both are God.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA

Rather than go with the Chalcedonian Creed (CC), I stick with only the Bible and what it reveals about who God is.

The CC states "begotten before all ages of the Father according to the Godhead." Can you show me biblically that Jesus was begotten (born) before the womb of Mary, and if so, who His Mother was?

The I AM of Creation came in the flesh, yet did not cease to exist in omnipresent Spirit. God is the Spirit (John 4:24), the Holy Spirit (2 Cor 3:17). He became flesh and fully indwells that flesh (Col 2:9). His flesh died and He raised it up (John 2:19-21), and the Spirit of God is the Spirit of Christ that indwells us today (Rom 8:9).

Is 44:24 "Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, "I, the LORD, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone."

Job 9:8 "Who alone stretches out the heavens And tramples down the waves of the sea."

John 6:19 "Then, when they had rowed about three or four miles, they saw Jesus walking on the sea and drawing near to the boat; and they were frightened. But He said to them, "Ego Eimi [I AM]; do not be afraid."

Is 44:6 "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his [Israel's] Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me."

Rev 2:8 "And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: The first and the last, who was dead, and has come to life, says this:"

Rev 22:13 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

Rev 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who IS TO COME, the Almighty."

1 Tim 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

Act 20:28 "Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood."

Isa 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD; and beside Me there is NO saviour."

Tit 2:13 "looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus"

2 Pet 1:1 "Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ."

Ps 23:1 "The LORD is my Shepherd"

John 10:14 "I AM [Ego Eimi] the good Shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me."

John 14:7 "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." 14:9 "He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?"

You can believe the Chalcedonian Creed or you can believe Jesus Christ and His apostles. The LORD our God is ONE (Echad), which is the same word used when God created Eve from one (echad) of Adam's ribs (Gen 2:21)...

As far as God saying "Let Us Make Man", the actual Greek reads "God said make man" -

As far as the Word being 'with' (as in beside) God in John 1:1 - the Greek word is 'pros', which means 'to'. The LORD was speaking to 'elohim' and you can look up the definition, which includes angels, magistrates, and even the sons of the Most High (you and I) - Ps 82:6; John 10:34. Truly, God, who was/is the Word came to [pros] us in the flesh to speak to us, die for us, and redeem us.

Praise the LORD, Jesus Christ, YeHoWsHua (God our Savior)!


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CalledToPreach 4 years ago from Indiana

Amen Judah's Daughter. Scripture is pretty clear that God was manifested into Flesh. Jesus was fully God, and fully man - not 1/3 of God. God is One, not 3. When we get to Heaven and ask Jesus to show us the Father, He isn't going to bring us to a seperate throne room and say 'Here He is!', He will say 'If you've seen me, you've seen the Father' - Because God is a Spirit.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA

HALLELUYAH!!! PRAISE GOD!!! We are brother and sister in Christ, forever and ever, amen!!!


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bulletproofballoo 4 years ago from Nashville,TN Author

Dear @Judah's Daughter,

I want to thank you so much for your comment. I don't think I've misunderstood what you're trying to say when I think the main problem you found with what I wrote wasn't what I believe, I feel like are beliefs quite similar, but me basing a large part of my argument on the Chalcedonian Creed. What I didn't spend the time to do in this post is to write down all the references that the Creed incorporates. It is, in fact, based solely on Scripture. I apologize if I didn't make that clear in why I was using it. In regards to whether Jesus was "born" before all ages, I think your definition of "begotten" is different from what the original writers intended. The word begotten in the creed is from two words; the first meaning "only" and the second meaning "to be ordained to be." That part of the creed is in reference to I Peter 1:20 which says, "He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake..." If you read a little further in that section of the creed you can make this connection. "...begotten before all ages of the Father according to the Godhead, and in these latter days, for us and for our salvation, born of the Virgin Mary..." In conclusion, I think that you are right in what you believe, and right to rely on God's Word, and I think your beliefs are in line with the Chalcedonian Creed.

Something you might wrestle with yourself is in Psalms 2:7 when the writer says, "I will tell of the decree: The LORD said to me, "You are my Son; today I have begotten you."" This is referring to God the Son. This is another Scripture I use for my understanding of begotten as literally "only one to be ordained to be."

Again, I thank you so much for your time in responding and your effort to supply more of God's Word. I hope that the Lord continues to speak through you and bless you,

Philip


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA

Yes, Revelation 13:8 KJV states, "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." We know the Lamb was not slain at the foundation of the world, and all prophesied about the 'Son' in the Old Testament was exactly that: prophesy.

So, since a large majority of 'Trinitarians' believe that The Son is eternal and is not The Father, and the Holy Spirit is neither of them, but all are called God, they believe three in unity (Trinity) is the One God.

I then have to ask them, if the Son was fore-ordained as the Lamb, who was He before He was born? Was He a 'second Person' of The Deity (Godhead) or was He God Himself? The scriptures I posted above tell us clearly Who He Is, and you got it when you said, "When we get to Heaven and ask Jesus to show us the Father, He isn't going to bring us to a seperate throne room and say 'Here He is!', He will say 'If you've seen me, you've seen the Father' - Because God is a Spirit." AMEN!!

Any visible manifestation of God in the flesh, both Old and New Testaments was His Christ (Jesus, the LORD). He is and always has been the image of the invisible God. Any time God spoke to the people in the Old Testament, it was His Word, Who IS Jesus Christ, the LORD. The Greek in John 1:1 actually states, "God was The Word."

I pray we embrace the Truth and not let the coucils call those who believe in One, True God (1) "heretics". This is what they've labeled 'modalism', and today it is called 'Oneness', so I guess that's what I am ~ though, I DO NOT subscribe to the doctrines of men intertwined in some of their churches (i.e. the 'holiness' movement, that water baptism is mandatory to be saved and/or that ALL will speak with tongues).

Blessings always to you.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA

Ah!! I just figured out I quoted you, bulletproofballoo, as stating someting CalledToPreach stated...so sorry for my mistake...I am thrilled with the response of CalledToPreach, who is the one that stated, "When we get to Heaven and ask Jesus to show us the Father, He isn't going to bring us to a seperate throne room and say 'Here He is!', He will say 'If you've seen me, you've seen the Father' - Because God is a Spirit."

All is well, the LORD says all is well...


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bulletproofballoo 4 years ago from Nashville,TN Author

First, I would like to express the blessing it is to be able to freely discuss the God we serve openly without persecution regardless of trinitarian or "oneness." Secondly, I look forward to talking and understanding better what a modalist believes since I haven't talked to someone of your beliefs about their beliefs. It's definitely something I count as a blessing as well. I'm interested to understand how modalists deal with Peter when he addresses the father, spirit, and son individually in chapter 1 of his first letter, the gospels in their account of Jesus's baptism when all three appear individually, and even when Jesus says, "not my will but yours" when talking to God the father. (Just a couple off the top of my head)

And it might be a typo, but when you talked about the "literal" translation of "let us make man in our image..." You said you were giving me the Greek translation, but the Hebrew Bible (old testament) was written in Hebrew... Not Greek.

I genuinely would love to understand your beliefs better and am excited for the opportunity.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA

Yes, you are correct, bulletproofballoo ~ I meant to type 'Hebrew', not Greek.

The answer to the whole question about why Jesus spoke of His Father in 'third' person (i.e. He, My Father, My God, etc.) is His humanity as 'the last Adam' (1 Cor 15:45). He became you and me. He spoke, therefore, while in the flesh, as you and I speak. We see God in two manifestations of Spirit and flesh while Emmanuel walked the earth. The Spirit 'like a dove' descending upon the Son of Man at His baptism was the 'sign' God told John the Baptist to look for, so He would be recognized (John 1:33).

You asked to know more, and there's so much to share. Even Jesus could not tell His disciples everything at once (John 16:12). I have a few hubs that will show you biblically (translating the Hebrew and Greek) that traditional teachings purporting 'God in three persons' are exactly that: traditional teachings that started with the Catholic Church and their 'Textus Receptus' (Latin translation of the Hebrew and Greek, to which they have admittedly added the Trinitarian formulas in Mat 28:19 and 1 John 5:7-8). All our Bibles have been translated from the TR, thus the Trinitarian wording.

They couldn't 'doctor' the Old Testament much, because they would have been severely accountable to the Jews. They did manage to insert the Latin name 'Lucifer' in Isaiah 14, however, so that whole doctrine of Lucifer being the devil was born. I have a hub on that, too called "Is Lucifer the Devil?" http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Is-Lucifer...

We get revelation of the New Testament from the Old, and surely the tares in the NT became evident in Light of the Old. That's how I found out about the alterations and insertions by the RCC. I wouldn't have even known to 'ask' the LORD, otherwise.

God is one 'Person'. He is the invisible, Holy Spirit, visible in His Christ. Always has been and always will be.

Speaking of "Let Us Make Man", I would love to invite you to read my most-read hub called "GOD: Let Us Make Man In Our Image?": http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/God-Let-Us...

I asked a Messianic Jewish website (AhavatYeshua) to please read, not only that hub, but my first when I came to understanding God is not 'three persons' by His Spirit, called "Let Me Tell You Who God Is" and they blessed them highly, even linked them to their site. I'm a saved Gentile! This was incredible!

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Let-Me-Tel...

It's interesting that I don't get debates from Messianic Jews, but only from 'Trinitarians', even those who have gone so far to believe the Father and Holy Spirit Mother conceived the Son of them (Egalitarians). I proclaim that Jesus is God Himself, and that there is only One God, which the Bible proclaims. If Trinitarians truly believed this, there would be no debate. Rather, I am labeled a 'heretic'. That shows you there's a major problem and truthfully, it is rooted in Catholicism alone...

Jesus said, "You shall be My witnesses" (Acts 1:8). That word 'witness' is the Greek word 'martus' from where we get the English word 'martyr'. The RCC attempted to wipe out anyone who proclaimed Jesus to be the One, True God, for they were there BEFORE the RCC established Her Councils.

To find out what the RCC has done in regard to birthing the 'Trinity' doctrine, it's in my hub, "Should You Believe In the Trinity 1 of 2": http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Should-You...

I won't give you too much now. I hope you will come by and read ~ all glory to the LORD, Jesus Christ. Bless you.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA

There was one more thing the LORD put on my heart to say to you. You asked about Peter's statements. Can we just look at 2 Pet 1:1 for a moment? "Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ." Are there two 'persons' mentioned here? We cannot deny that Jesus is our Savior, right?

Now, let's go back to Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD, And there is no savior besides Me."

and

Hosea 113:4 "Yet I have been the LORD your God Since the land of Egypt; And you were not to know any god except Me, For there is no savior besides Me." ME is a personal pronoun, singular. God is Truth. There are proper interpretations of the "Us", "Our" and "We" passages, which are addressed in my hub about the Trinity 1 of 2, to the best of my ability.

Lastly, does Jesus ever speak as The Father? Let's look at Rev 21:7 "He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son."

God bless you as you continue seeking the Truth because you love the Truth (2 Thes 2:10) and rejoice in the Truth (1 Cor 13:6). Jesus is the Truth (John 14:6), the Spirit of Truth (John 14:17-18).


DT 4 years ago

@JudahsDaughter

The Greek grammar of 2 Peter 1:1 is actually a debated topic. In fact, Albert Barnes suggests it can be interpreted/rendered "our God and the Savior of us" in such a way that it indicates TWO people.

KJV, ASV, WBT, and WNT all indicate TWO people/beings are being mentioned by Peter (1. our God and 2. our Savior).

Onto the statement in Isaiah 43:11. We need to crack down on basic Hebrew. The word ????????????? or mib·bal·‘?·?ay is literally translated "apart from, except, without". Therefore, as long as the Savior is SENT by Yahweh, can the Savior be valid. In John 6:38, Yeshua proclaims that He came not to do His own will but the will of the one who sent Him. The Father of course sent Yeshua to be Savior of the world (1 John 4:14). Now, HOW is Yahweh our Savior? Yahweh is our Savior THROUGH Yeshua.

Jude 25 - to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

As usual though, you are scissoring out and misrepresenting Bible verses because you have been soundly refuted countless times by both Trinitarians AND Arians. In John 14:6, Yeshua claims to be the way TO the Father which is an IMPOSSIBILTY if He IS the Father incarnated! In John 14:26, He calls the holy spirit ANOTHER comforter, and in John 14:23 addresses Himand the Father as WE. All this soundly refutes what you teach, you just refuse to admit it.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA

So you are either bi-nitarian (Arian) or tri-nitarian. No one can reveal the understanding to you, only God. I am convinced He made it this way on purpose, just as He chose to speak in parables. God is the ONLY SAVIOR, and He saved us by shedding His own blood (Acts 20:28). The Spirit of God (the Father) transcends to man through His image, Jesus Christ. Even John 14:26 uses the word 'allos', which is 'more of the same', just as Echad is used of 'one and the same'. If you want to see a comparison of the word 'another' (meaning different), look at Mark 16:12. Allos and eteron are not the same. The word 'form' in that verse is 'morphe'. The last Adam, God in the flesh, spoke as the Son of Man and as the scriptures clearly show, He speaks as the Almighty LORD God because He is (ref. Rev). Jesus said, "Unless you believe that "Ego Eimi" [I AM], you shall die in your sins." (John 8:24). As for me, I have done my due dilligence, as I am accountable only to Him (Mat 10:28).


DT 4 years ago

@JudahsDaughter

"So you are either bi-nitarian (Arian) or tri-nitarian. No one can reveal the understanding to you, only God."

Have a look at Matt. 16:15-17 and then compare it to Acts 8:9-24. Do some research on Simon Magus and the teaching he started and then find out how the disciple who was seeing things in the eyes of the Heavenly Father REBUKED him!


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA

I don't listen to Arians who use a multitude of fictitious handles to harrass me, DT. You've LOST your credibility and my attention.


DT 4 years ago

@JudahsDaughter

You are more than welcome to follow a belief system that was originally rebuked by the apostle Peter.

Acts 20:28 has more than one Greek translation. Some translations: "blood of His own" others "blood of His own Son" others "church of the Lord".

John 8:24 - Jesus is speaking that if we do not believe He is the one sent by God (the Light of the World sent by God), we will die in our sins.

Now let this Trinitarian and I battle it out.

As for you, we hope you will recant.


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bulletproofballoo 3 years ago from Nashville,TN Author

@Judah'sDaughter @DT

Reading back through this conversation has brought a verse to my mind when discussing Scripture (Or anything for that matter). Proverbs 10:19 says, "When words are many, sin is not absent, but he who holds his tongue is wise." I believe this statement holds true because of I Corinthians 1:25 which says, "For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength." I believe that the folly of the wise is to say "What I say is the absolute truth... I have it all figured out". Thankfully I Corinthians 1:19-21 says, "For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”

Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe." Thank you Lord for your incomprehensible love for us; that "at just the right time Christ died for the ungodly"; thank you for the truth of your Gospel that we all need to hear preached to us daily so we can remember that it isn't about "figuring everything out" about you, but dying to ourselves and letting you live through us and shine forth from us.

I'm sorry for the extended absence on responding, but I finally felt God lay something on my heart to respond in saying. Thank you again for your posts and feedback!

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