The Origin of the Nephilim

Proof of the Nephilim
Proof of the Nephilim

The "sons of God" in Genesis 6:2 Debate

Within Christian theology, there is a question as to the giants of old, those in the days of Noah. This is a fascinating subject and I’d like to write about why I believe these giants were indeed the offspring of the fallen angels (called “sons of God”) and human women. These giants were called Nephilim.

The Christians who oppose this teaching believe the “sons of God” that had sex with women in the days of Noah were the godly sons of Seth. Well, how in the world would evil overtake the earth to the point of God’s judgment of the flood, if their offspring were godly?

Let's take a moment to read 1 Cor 7:14: "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy." That’s my point. In fact, Noah and his family were of the "godly line of Seth". Those who follow the sons of Seth theology also believe that evil spirits might be “disembodied spirits of a pre-Adamic race”. Surely, God indeed told Adam and Eve (pre-flood) what He told Noah and his family (post-flood) ~ to "replenish the earth" (Gen 1:28 and 9:1). Was there a human race prior to the new life given to the planet earth (Gen 1:2)? Well, if human spirits can be disembodied, that would defy what the Bible says in Heb 9:27: "And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment". However, they may be on the right track, IF they considered the disembodied spirits to be those of the Nephilim...Let’s keep reading:

A Prison in Hell? (Tartaroo)

In my study of the word “hell”, there is one Greek word called “tartaroo”. Here is the definition: tartaroo (tar-tar-o’-o) the deepest abyss of hades; to incarcerate in eternal torment: - cast down to hell.

We all know that incarceration is that of prison, right? In the account of the rich man and Lazarus, we are told that the rich man went to hades, while Lazarus went to the bosom of Abraham (Luke 16:19-31). The definition of hades is: hades (hah’-dace) “hades” or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell. We do not see “incarcerate” in this definition. Indeed, the rich man was in flames, but certainly not in chains.

It’s evident that there are levels of hades. The deepest level of hades is tartaroo, a place of incarceration, based on the definitions shown above. As we keep reading, we will see this is where the angels who sinned in the days of Noah are incarcerated.

What the Bible says:

Are angels ever called "sons of God" anywhere else in the Bible? Absolutely. Look at Job 38:4-7: "Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding, Who set its measurements? Since you know. Or who stretched the line on it? On what were its bases sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone, when the morning stars sang together And all the sons of God shouted for joy?" It surely doesn't sound like man was around when the earth was created.

Gen 6:2 states, “That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.” Obviously, this is referring to the fallen angels.

I think it wise to note here that all angels that appeared in human form in the Bible were male.

In verse 4 we read, “The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.” (NAS)

“There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” (KJV)

So here we see that the Nephilim were giants. Check out the video at the base of this hub ~

What the Book of Enoch says:

The Book of Enoch was included in the Bible for 500 years, from the second century BC to the mid-third century AD. While it was removed from the Scriptures by the Council of Laodicea, the Book of Enoch still remains canonized in the Bibles of Ethiopia to this day. The Book of Jasher was also removed, yet it is mentioned in the Bible in Josh 10:13 and 2 Sam 1:18. Enoch was the seventh generation from Adam (Gen 5:3-18) and is mentioned 13 times in the Bible we have today. He is said to have “walked with God” (Gen 5:24) and that “he did not see death”, like Elijah, for God took him and he was not seen on the earth any longer (Heb 11:5).

In reviewing the Book of Enoch, he writes of the account in Gen 6:2-4 as follows:

Enoch 6:1-2 “And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another, ‘Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.’

This “imprecation” continues in the following verses, “And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: ‘I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.’ And they all answered him and said: ‘Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.’ Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they call it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.” Did you know that Jared was the father of Enoch? He lived 162 years when he begat Enoch, then another 800 years (See Gen 5:18-19).

In Enoch 8:8 we read, “And they have gone into the daughters of men upon the earth, and have slept with the women, and have defiled themselves, and revealed to them all kinds of sins. And the women have borne giants, and the whole earth has thereby been filled with blood and unrighteousness.” In Enoch 7:2 it is said these giants measured “3,000 ells”. An ell is equivalent to 45” x 3,000 = 135,000” or 11,250’, roughly 2.13 miles tall. Another verse states they were 300 cubits tall or 450 feet (600' if using Jewish cubit measurements). This seems more reasonable, as it's a little over a quarter mile tall.

In Enoch 10:2, the LORD instructs His angel, Uriel to go to the son of Lamech, saying to him, ‘Go to Noah and tell him in My name, ‘Hide thyself!’, and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it.”

In verses 13-15 the judgment of God is given to these fallen angels who sinned: “They shall be led off to the abyss of fire: and to the torment and the prison in which they shall be confined for ever. And whosoever shall be condemned and destroyed will from thenceforth be bound together with them to the end of all generations. And destroy all the spirits of the reprobate and the children of the Watchers (this is what these fallen angels were called), because they have wronged mankind.”

Enoch 14:3 confirms again, “Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children of earth, and begotten giants as your sons.”

Compare the Bible and Enoch

Having read some of the passages in the Book of Enoch, we can now go back and re-read Gen 6:2-4 above. Here are a few more verses in the Bible that will be more clear, in light of what the Book of Enoch revealed:.

Eph 4:9 “(Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?)", along with 1 Pet 3:19-20: "By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah,"

What was the judgment of God on these fallen angels for this sin? 2 Pet 2:4 states “For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell (tartaroos: the deepest abyss of hades) and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;”

Jude 1:6 makes it very clear: "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

The final judgment is shown in Rev 20:14-15 “And death and hades were thrown into the lake of fire (geenna). This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.”

The Watchers Taught Witchcraft

The book of Enoch goes on to state what these fallen angels (Watchers) taught men, evil which is still practiced to this day:

Enoch 7:1, 5-6 state the following sins shown to man: “charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another’s flesh, and drink the blood.”

Chapter 8:1, 3 go on with bracelets, ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures; resolving of enchantments, astrology, constellations, knowledge of the clouds, the signs of the earth, sun, and course of the moon.”

Let’s check out what is said about this “knowledge of secrets” in Enoch 16:3 “You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth.”

Evil Spirits

God’s angels are not to procreate. Mat 22:30/Mark 12:25/Luke 20:35 state, “For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.” The angels cannot procreate with each other. However, these fallen angels left heaven and were able to procreate with humans and were cast into everlasting prison for this sin. So where do evil spirits come from? They are the spirits of these giants, the offspring of the fallen angels and human women as shown here:

Enoch 15:8 states, “And now, the giants, who are proclaimed from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called.”

Does it make a bit more sense now that Legion begged Jesus not to send them to the abyss in Luke 8:31: “They were imploring Him not to command them to go away into the abyss.”

For a fascinating study of giants AFTER the flood, I invite you to read my new hub GIANTS After the Flood!

In Conclusion

Some Christians don’t want to acknowledge the Book of Enoch, and I can certainly understand. Enoch knew things in the spiritual realm that can be overwhelming to the average person. We only use 10% of our brain, so I rest assured I will be able to handle more knowledge in my glorified body, praise God!

I test this book against what the Bible says. What aligns with the Bible, I ponder. If anything in any book outside the Bible contradicts the Bible, I wouldn't give it credence. Shockingly, there is absolute evidence of Bible alterations, thus we must question why books such as Enoch and Jasher were blatantly removed from the Scriptures. We are to seek the Holy Spirit's teaching and confirmation of all things and always remain guarded.

Thus far, I think we can say some “blanks” may have been filled in regarding the realm of evil, wouldn’t you? Pretty awesome stuff.

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Kebennett1 7 years ago from San Bernardino County, California

A very interesting read! A theory I will have to delve a little more into. I do not give credence to anything outside the Bible or written by Bible scholars and backed up by biblical scripture. I am not saying that the fallen angels did not lie with human woman, only that I have more to look into. Obviously I believe in biblical giants, Goliath was a giant! Very good Hub!


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Thank you, Kebennett1; again, it's just more fascinating to observe, and is certainly not a matter of absolute fact on either theological side ~ however, the debate is interesting! :-)


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no body 7 years ago from Rochester, New York

Facinating. I always believed that the giants were that size not the 8' that you always hear. My pastor had 8"x12" glossies of a footprint that he found and took a geologist that he knew to see. They took the evidence and submitted it to National Geographic Society and never heard anything about it again. I always get nervous around extra Biblical works but you give a compelling argument. I don't think we'll know for sure until we go home but this seems as plausible a story as I've heard. Good work sis. I love you lots and lots.


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

I think it interesting for anyone to look up the biblical height of Goliath, as he was only up to 10' tall. The giants of old, the Nephilim were over two miles tall!! Because Enoch exposes the fallen angels, I just wonder if some "act of the remaining fallen angels" didn't get this information removed from the Bible...just a thought...


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Abrushing1968 7 years ago from USA- Florida

JD- As usual I enjoyed this. All fascinating stuff. Your very though and persuasive.

I have some concerns about the video. I have seen most of the photo's before and managed to track a couple of then down. They were proven to be clever photo shop alterations. However there have been some legitimate finds.

Good Job!

Question? Do you think that Enoch should be canonized?

In Christ

ABR


Sciantel 7 years ago

I know and believe too that these were once angels but fell and were sinful taking human women which was an abomination to the Lord and so was their offspring of course. I believe however, that some of these alien sightings that go on in this day and age could in fact, be these offspring come to fool the earth once again with their lies. I wrote a book. It is one of my hubs entitled: BUTTERFLIES THAT PURR. It is merely fantasy mind you, but based on some interesting theories of my own. I however, will never read any books that are not found in the actual Bible. God had a reason not to include them. I believe the actual Bible is the divine message from God. If they were too they would be included and never taken away. I cannot take it to face value but it is interesting of course, to anyone who may be inclined, intrigued to read. I am just not interested. I will await for Jesus to reveal these secrets to me one day. All things then will be revealed for the curious mind.


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Abrushing1968, I don't know why Enoch was mentioned in the Bible and walked so closely with God that he didn't see death (as Elijah), and if he indeed wrote what he saw and it was originally in the Bible canon, why it was ever removed. It's pretty intense reading. I've never read Jesher either, yet the Bible speaks of this book having been written. Again, I don't know why it would have ever been removed. Like I always say, if the Bible only had verses pertaining to salvation alone, I would get saved by that! This is just stuff that's interesting to observe.


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Sciantel, I also wonder about UFO alien stuff. We are not to know everything or everything would have been revealed to us. Even the fallen angels didn't know everything, not even close. I think it awesome to consider even one of God's angels, Michael, will bind the Dragon (Satan) and throw him into the bottomless pit for the thousand-year reign. Goes to show how powerless Satan is when it comes to the awesome authority of God. Amen!


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Gicky Soriano 7 years ago from California

Fascinating research. I looked up 7:2 in the book of Enoch (Wikipedia) and came up with this endnote in reference to the measure of three thousand ells: The Ethiopian text gives 300 cubits (135 m), which is probably a corruption of 30 cubits (13.5 m). If the Nephilim were to have associations with men and women (the impartation of knowledge and procreation of children) 13.5m seems to be a more credible size. Enoch is a book that I'm unfamiliar with. But it seems that if 1 Peter 3:19,20 made reference to it and the early Church Fathers referred and quoted it, it would behoove us not to give it at least a fair hearing. Food for scriptural thought. Thanks for this hub.


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Abrushing1968 7 years ago from USA- Florida

JD- clearly you are way ahead of me on this subject.. Here is one for you.

Daniel 2:43

43 As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.

Who is the "they" and what they doing with the seed of Men?

ABR


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Abrushing1968, the passage in Daniel would have been after the time of the Nephilim, and is referring to prophecy of divided kingdoms in the last days:

41 And in that you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, it will be a divided kingdom; but it will have in it the toughness of iron, inasmuch as you saw the iron mixed with common clay. 42 And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of pottery, so some of the kingdom will be strong and part of it will be brittle. 43 And in that you saw the iron mixed with common clay, they will combine with one another in the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, even as iron does not combine with pottery. 44 And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed, and that kingdom will not be left for another people; it will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever.


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Gicky, 13.5 meters would be equivalent to 15 yards or 45 feet. Nothing is said about the size of the fallen angels; all we are told is the size of the giant offspring. Even 45 feet is incredible. I don't know that the giants mated with humans, but rather with each other. It's said that they actually ate humans (canables). Ewwweee. Thanks for the additional commentary. :-)


Sciantel 7 years ago

Another thing I have thought about Enoch. The verse said:That he was not, for God took him: It is hard to understand what that meant. I believe he was taken like we will be in the Rapture, and changed, to him that was his death.


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Yes, he was taken up as Elijah was. We will indeed be changed into incorruptible when the rapture happens, praise God! I think that means we do not see death (for Paul says "we shall not all sleep" (die) [1 Cor 15:51], just that we are changed and taken up :-)


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Tigermadstanley 7 years ago from Canterbury, Kent, UK

An amazing hub. It will take more than one reading but it is so thought provoking. I'm glad I joined your fan club and was notified when this was published. Thank you. Blessings:)


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no body 7 years ago from Rochester, New York

Yes the size of the fossilized footprint my "pappa" Joe found would make the person about 45 to 50 feet tall. Unbelievable, but I believe it. As far as the Bible canon is concerned, there were a lot of extra-biblical works known from oral tradition and there is a great deal of solid information in them but what I'd like to see is the recording (if there is any)of the counsil of Nicea that sorted this stuff out for the canon. I believe that this is the complete record for our use. If it was not God would have made sure to include it. I believe that there is something in each of the extra biblical works that disqualifies it. I think they thought it was better to cut out some facts in a non inspired text that were true then to include facts in the canon that had to be discounted. Once the precident is set to deny any fact in the canon, then anyone will say "see you guy all say that isn't true but it's in the bible. What makes any of the rest of it be true." That's why I get nervous around it. But we have it on reasonable authority that John was boiled in oil. That is extra biblical but accepted. I believe that Enoch has much fact but is extra biblical. I love you sis.


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

no body, I myself never really understood why the Catholic Bible contains the apocrypha and ours doesn't. I don't know why anything would be decided by a council as to what is to be the Bible we live by and what is not, for many things are prophetic in the Bible and not proven to date....yet. However, the Bible we have doesn't contradict itself, and I certainly won't consider anything prophetic or true that contradicts the Bible. But, I can see the Bible has some cause for theological debate, as it only has partial information because of missing pieces.

Thus far, it appears the giants are Biblical. The details of their height and specific behaviors are not known as fact, just what's in the Book of Enoch. Certainly, it appears more sound than a "pre-Adamic race" or godly sons of Seth creating giants. People just don't want to believe that fallen angels had giants with women. It seems too mythological; however, it is a theological subject amongst the best of Bible scholars in orthodox Christianity.


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Tigermadstanley, thank you ~ I thought this might just be some interesting "food for thought", if anything, just to know what theologians discuss on this matter. It's certainly not a matter of salvation through Jesus Christ, but just entertaining reading. If all this is true, it certainly shows we have an awesome God that even the fallen angels fear to sin against! It also explains where man learned all the sorceries and magic they practice today.


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thefount 7 years ago from North Central Louisiana

Indeed, this is a fascinating subject. Thank you so much for writing this hub. You have a lot going for you, so don't let ANY fallen angels disrupt you from your mission. AMEN? AMEN!


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

thefount, amen, brother ~ they are still after God's children to devour us! We can't give what is holy to dogs, for they will get sick and die!


Royal Diadem 7 years ago

Wow! That video drove the point that you are making home. Yes, I believe the Word of God, and I think there are more evidence of Biblical findings that proves that the Bible is truth,during excavation. However, some of these biblical fact and findings are being kept away from the public. The Bible is History; His Story. Thank you so much, I love the way you write your hubpages, you go girl!


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Royal sister! I know that we only know what we are given; I understand the Nicean Council came together to decide what would be included in our Bibles, for some was not! I think this is sinful, but yet the Lord is victorious. I always say, just a little bit of His Word would have brought me to Him. He gives it to us in Spirit, as He did before the Bible was ever written; amen! Nothing can stop the revelation of the Lord; amen!!!


Louis 7 years ago

Where and when were all those giants skeletons unburied? by whom? where are they now?

Whitout a satisfactory answer to above questions we should not start to believe anything.

Simple fact of showing a big skeleton doesn't mean nothing, specially fallen angels, abnormal people is rare but not impossible, it doesn't take a fallen angel for abnornality.


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi Louis :-) I thought not to put any "evidence" in this hub, for in the Bible, we are not to seek after evidence. What good does evidence do when it still will be doubted because it's nothing like we've ever "seen" or experienced. Mainly, the point here is to show the Bible says specifically that there were "angels who sinned" in the days of Noah and are in "prison" in the "lower parts of the earth". These passages are not talking about people who sinned who are imprisoned in the lower parts of the earth. The term "sons of God" here is reasoned between the best theologians, and that is what this hub is for ~ to show the "why"...

Thanks for stopping by and reading ~ good questions, as I wondered, too, exactly where these bones are displayed. I'll have to dig a little more...


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fierycj 7 years ago from The Fiery Heart of Africa

Brilliant! For sure, Nephilims are angelic-spawns. Hey, I've always wondered how I could lay hold of the book of Enoch. Could you hook me up with an ebook? By the way, wonderful hub.


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

fierycj, thank you for the compliment. There's actually a series of seven youtube videos I found incredible. Start here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGXmfTK5OvA&eurl=ht...


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fierycj 7 years ago from The Fiery Heart of Africa

Thanks a million. Never occurred to me to check Youtube. Thanks again! :)


\Brenda Scully 7 years ago

like the hub.... yep i always thought the nephilim were the children of fallen angels, hence the flood to get rid of them....


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

fierycj, I'm glad you enjoyed the videos ~ pretty fascinating to see into the sprit realm, isn't it? Amazing, actually!


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

/Brenda, I would think it would definitely take a flood to get rid of all of them, for sure ~ except that their spirits are still roaming around seeking whom they may devour! According to Enoch, these giants got so evil they actually ate us little people! Hard to imagine their fathers lamented watching their "children" slay each other as well. Hard to think of giants as children ~~ wow.


\Brenda Scully 7 years ago

so when will they go for good.....


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

/Brenda, Based on Revelation, when Satan is bound, I believe they will also be (assuming). When Satan is cast into the Lake of Fire, they will be also (all evil will be). Praise God they cannot have any dominion over the Lord's children, and we are out here to share the gospel of salvation to all who believe. I consider the 70 believers that returned to Jesus to say that even the demons are subject to His name! I also consider that just one angel of the Lord, Michael, will bind Satan and throw him into the pit for that thousand years ~ just ONE angel of our Lord, who yet kept 2/3 of the angelic hosts. Satan only took 1/3 with him, and according to Enoch, 200 of them are incarcerated in Tartaroo. Obviously, the fallen angels must fear God. Enoch says the evil spirits or demons are the spirits of the slain giants.

Makes me think about Legion, who begged Jesus not to send them to the abyss (Tartaroo) where their fathers are...not such a great reunion, I think! Just interesting to ponder...


\Brenda Scully 7 years ago

it is a very interesting subject altogether


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fierycj 7 years ago from The Fiery Heart of Africa

I love it so much. I'm gonna make a movie about someday. God willing. It'll be an exegesis in movie form!


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

If any of you see "unapproved comment" in your Hubtivity for this hub or others today, I'm getting duplicate comments from everyone, so I approve one and deny the duplicate. Don't know what's going on on HubPages today...

fierycj ~ I would love to see a movie made about all this. It would be better than Harry Potter! lol ~ not that I've ever actually watched Harry Potter, but I know it's mystical fiction...mystical "fact" as this appears to be, is fascinating!


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drpastorcarlotta 7 years ago from BREAKOUT MINISTRIES, INC. KC

Hey! SWEETIE!! Great minds think alike!!!!!! lol, GREAT HUB!!!! WOW! Were on the same page!!!!! THE WORD!


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

drpastorcarlotta, I love YOU!! We certainly are on the same PAGE of the WORD ~ Amen!! You are always a bright blessing when you visit. God bless you, sister!! I enjoyed your hub on angels very much ~ all of them, actually!! Thank you so much for your bright smile :-)


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Sanctus Vesania 7 years ago

Actually, one doesn't even need the book of Enoch to prove that the theory of the Nephilim being the product of human women and fallen angels is true. Just look at the neighboring nations to the people of God. Greece, Babylon,Sumeria, etc all had their beliefs in the demi-god. The demi-god according to legend was a man born of the product of a god and mortal woman copulating. The demi-god was amongst other things known mostly for their strength, and heroic deeds.

Most Christians know that the pagan gods were (depending on your view) A: Demons, B: Idols with demons behind them. I tend to go for option A.

The Bible also calls the Nephilim the "mighty men", "men of renown" and "the heroes of old"

There's too much parallel between the story of the Nephilim and the demi-gods for me to think that the Nephilim were just born of two mortals.


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Good points, Sanctus. I also read drpastorcarlotta's response to another hubber that refutes that angels can and did procreate on earth. Angels always showed up in human form (male) and at Sodom, the men of that city wanted to rape the angels. Not only do we know Lucifer (or heylel) was an angel and is referred to as the "son of the dawn" (using the word "son"), but also the antichrist is the angel of destruction in the flesh that comes up out of the abyss and is called the "son of perdition" (perdition means destruction). Angels are called sons, and more and more, this is proven by scripture. Angels are not to procreate amongst themselves, and obviously, when the fallen angels took on human form, they did procreate with human women. This was the grave sin against God's Law that sent them to the abyss (Tartaroo). Not all the angels sinned this way, and thus they apparantly fear God, though they've been cast down to the earth. They are at work here, and also the demons or devils that, according to Enoch, are the spirits of the 200 fallen angels' offspring (and their offspring), the Nephilim.


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Sanctus Vesania 7 years ago

And I'm also of the belief that the angels actually couldn't procreate among themselves, because (for lack of a better term) they were "asexual" not having the parts. By them leaving their first estate, and copulating with the daughters of man; it's symbolic of them opting to become flesh instead of remaining as spiritual beings.

Only by leaving their first estate could they partake in the pleasures of the flesh, and that's something that an angel shouldn't be doing.


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Sanctus, I'm not so sure that leaving their first estate would be not being angels anymore, but rather perhaps taking on human form. This is because the "angels who sinned" are incarcerated in Tartaroo. I don't think angels can ever stop being angels.


faith free 7 years ago

OR the nephilim were related to aliens as the original book cataloging their existence explains, the rest of her conclusions make her feel more important, how wonderful for her! But wouldn't that be a pleasure of the flesh? About the only fact is evidence of large humanoids, any "conclusion" beyond that results in little more than the never ending "extrapolation" of good triumphing over evil, which reminds me of every fictional Hollywood movie ever made, surely a "coincidence".


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Judah's Daughter 7 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

faith free ~ I've heard the hypothesis (not necessarily a theory) that the Nephilim inhabit Plantet X or something like that ~~ and that they're going to return (aliens) ~~ amazing how much more and more is added to the mystery of the giants of old. What original book do you speak of that catalogues their existence? This hub category is under Christian Mysticism ~ it is merely a theological discussion among scholars, and the Book of Enoch is the extra-biblical book in reference. It was actually included in the Bible canon for 500 years, so many do consider the possibility of truth, as is said that Enoch pleased God and walked with God. It's just discussion...interested to know about the "original" book you speak of?

I seem to have a hunch that when the rapture happens, all the unbelievers that are so open to UFO's and aliens will believe we've all be abducted!! lol


Al Sayr 6 years ago

Great article. I wanted to thank you for getting people to think out of the box. There is a great piece of scripture that when added to your article shows a much different outcome. And I believe it is 100% as Biblical as the rest.

Jesus tells us in Matthew 24:37 "37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be".

When we look back at Genesis 6: we see that state that Jesus is referring to:

1 When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with [a] man forever, for he is mortal [b] ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years."

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. 6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. 7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them." 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.

They are coming back just like Jesus said. I also wanted to mention that the book of Enoch was in Bibles until about 500 years ago.

Blessings,

Al Sayr


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi Al Sayr, I've heard the teachings about the "return of the Nephilim", but I'm not so sure they themselves will return as giants (or aliens, for that matter). According to the Book of Enoch, the spirits of these giants are the demons active on earth ever since, and are likewise influencing mankind into greater and greater wickedness, as they did in the days of Noah.

Jesus said mankind will be in the condition of wickedness as they were back then when He returns. Likewise, He said it will as wicked as Sodom and Gomorrah (as in the days of Lot).

And yes, the Book of Enoch was included in the Bible for 500 years ~ that's a long time! I just think we should be aware of it, as it does shed some better understanding to the specific verses in the Bible people have misinterpreted to mean other things. Thank you for sharing the scripture and for your commentary.


Al Sayr 6 years ago

I find it very interesting that you can mention Nephilim to someone who knows the Bible pretty well and get a "deer in the headlights" response at best. Most of the people I have talked with believe in evolution no problem, but they could never consider the great case you make here. I found a PDF copy of Enoch here for anyone who might take a look. It has interesting introduction on why it should be Canon. Although I would never bind that to anyone. It fills a few holes as you say, and leads to a greater head scratching.

Thanks again for your article. Here is that link to Enoch.

http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/enoch.pdf

No pun intended; but my spell checker in Google Chrome tried to change Nephilim to Philistine. Blessings and keep up the great writing.

Al Sayr


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Thank you for the link, Al Sayr. If anyone needs to know, the actual book of Enoch begins on page 31 of this pdf. The history of the book, it's canonization or designation as apocryphal is explained in the first 30 pages. It's been a pleasure, Al Sayr. Thank you so much for sharing!


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ceciliabeltran 6 years ago from New York

My dear, this picture was a creation of a brilliant photoshop artist named IronKite in a competition. This is not even a hoax, it is an artwork meant to express artistic vision that some bozo saw and thought was real. The original photo was from New York, the remains of a mastedon. I maintain as I have before that the bible is the Greek translation of books that cannot really be translated in another language because of the mathematical/conceptual nature of the Hebrew Language. The truth is more fantastic than its surface meaning. And unlike proof that requires fossils, all you need to prove the truth in the bible is a telescope and a microscope.


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

ceciliabeltran, the photos are more of an entertainment factor. This hub could have been written without photos, for the content speaks for itself ~ these things are merely to ponder. The Bible itself clearly states angels sinned and were cast into Tartaroo (hell, the deepest abyss of Hades). Enoch only expounds on the details further, take it or leave it ~ only reference comparisons. Be blessed.


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ceciliabeltran 6 years ago from New York

Oh!Well there you go! I apologize. From an archetypal perspective I find your hub fascinating, you have also other hubs that show your command of this subject.


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

I appreciate you coming by, ceciliabeltran. You add some flavor and spice. Thanks for reading and hope you find some more fascinating topics within my hubs and are blessed!


Alexandria  6 years ago

I believe in the Word of God,(JESUS).... This was just downloaded into me, were the son's of God like their Maker? even as God said; when man sinned and now being all knowing became like (one of us)God... God said let us make man in our image and likeness, did God have this all predestined? In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, God was the Word and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, This does speak of Jesus born to a virgin, now the sons of God, did they also have the power to do the same as they spoke the Word of God as they hovered over the women (in their lust) to reproduce themselves as they spoke thee Word into them(romanced them) as does the soaps and romance novels of our day does, as we then are given over to lust of a lover through fantacy, (These are Fathers Words, he is so good), I can see were they are still at work... Are they still operating today under that sin now claiming to be Jesus(the false Christ) seducing spirits, We know God is greater then all He created, therefore very great in stature, yet He begot a Son, and I have found where there is truth, there is also a perversion of truth, God is good, His sons became evil, God is Love, His sons became Lust, When God finished His creation, he rested, it was the seventh day, and said it is good... Lucifer was cast down with a third of the angles, because they became evil, in Gen.3v14, And God said to the serpent, because thou hast done this thing, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust salt thou eat all the days of your life: and I will put emnity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; and it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel... Therefore, even man was created to only obey God and walk by faith, Gen.3v6 for when they saw thee tree was good for food, as it was pleasant to thee eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she did eat and gave to her husband and he did eat... even as thee sons of God saw that woman was pleasant to the eyes and they did lust and take them to wife, to bare fruit, their seed... They defiled themselves with woman, Angels or the sons of God were not to partake with woman in this way... As for the angels that came down, Enoch said that their privy members were as horses...(google) Dead sea scrolls, book of Enoch... I have just read it last week before coming to your site, The book of Enoch is backed up by the Word of God in our bible... Now we have to be conformed into the image and likeness of Christ as we put to death all that is carnal and put on Christ, man was created in thee image and likeness of God, yet fell do to desires, they lusted after, desired after what they saw, therefore, were we blinded(spiritually)... Even when Jesus was tempted, being all God and all man sinned not, because he was the Word and is the Word that became flesh even in us, as we are changed from faith to faith into the image and likeness of Christ... Jesus is Faith, the substance of Gods spoken word, for man was a good creation but fell even as the sons of God fell... Yet Jesus is that which is perfect is come, now we have the laws written on our hearts and God causes us to walk in His ways as we become like Jesus and is conformed into His glorious and perfect image... Even fantacy brings in images that causes a one to lust, Therefore, opening up for these seducing spirits to enter in, I believe God is warning us not to give into what we have now being exposed to, as when we come together in the name of Jesus, He is here in our midst, I do believe there is spiritual forces always at work, and we can give them power by coming together on matters that are spiritual... Even as we come together in Jesus name, Jesus is then in our midst, yet, Enoch also warns one from going to different sourses to be fed, That God hate this... Therefore, are we warned from entering into discussions for flavor and spice or entertainment, But to come together in Jesus name for truth, and to seek out a matter even for the hidden manna of revelation in regards to the Word, this pleases Father... Thank-you Father in Jesus name...


Alexandria 6 years ago

I am very glad that these go to you first, Judah's daughter, because there is so much that we can enter into if we be not careful, In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, (Jesus), for Holy spirit came upon Mary and with the spoken Word through Gabriel, Mary agreed with God, Let it be unto me according to your Word... In the beginning we were created in the image and likeness of God... Now all knowing as the human race did not walk by faith, in trusting and obeying God, therefore, did God give satan dominion over the earth, We can speak by our Words blessings and cursing out of the same mouth... We have been born under a curse, we are our Words, even as Jesus came to redeem us back to God as He was without sin, even becoming sin for us... Now since that witch is perfect is come, we too, as we are taken from faith to faith become thee image and likeness of Jesus, We are to die to the old man, the sin nature that also came in way of lust, as woman fell do to sight, Gen.3v6 it was pleasant to the eyes, then she did eat and gave also unto her husband to eat and their eyes were opened and she knew they were naked... In this world one lives by sight, yet we in Christ live by faith, this is also what happened to the sons of God they knew that woman was pleasant to behold and they did desire(lust) after them, therefore, they made an oath and bound themselves to it, Yet My God is in control of all, He is all knowing, he could have prevented all of this, Yet the question is why did He allow this, He knew that appart from Him we are nothing nor can we do anything that would ever please Him... I believe that we had choice to follow Him or go against Him and suffer the outcome of disobedients, we were like the sons of God only we had flesh that came from the dirt of this earth to keep us earth bound, we were to have dominion over the earth and all that was in it, Therefore, since our flesh was from this earth and dominion has been given to satan, our flesh that is of this world needed to be transformed too, as we are glorified in Christ and as we put off mortality and put on immortality again having a new body, because the old is corrupt and full of spots even decay and death... We as with the sons of God fell because we saw a thing that pleased us and gave way to the desires of our heart when God said; do not eat or partake of a thing that is in our midst... Even now, we are in this world but we are a new creature in Christ, not of this world, we again need only to walk (live by faith) and trust only in God in Jesus name, Yet, now because we can see the evil all around us, we know by experience what is not good as sin had been made known to be sin, therefore, can we now freely gives ourselve whole heartedly to God as we are in Christ to perfect us, we are given His Spoken Word to become the substance of what is in His Word, as the word Love hold His heavenly substance of His love and Joy and Peace holds the heavenly substance of that joy and peace, yes He is the (substance) hidden manna in each of His words as they are the fruit,(faith the substance) the heavenly fruit of the Word of God... So we in Christ becomes also the Word that becomes flesh the hevenly substance of each word as we become His laws so that we are kept in all of His ways, where sin can no longer have dominion over us in Jesus name... Even as we are to grow our own fruit(faith substance) as our Father speaks His word into us, we need to continue in the Word as the enemy will come and try to kill steal and destroy that spoken word seed, or the cares of this world will choke it out as we live by sight... Those who truly hate their lives in this world and truly deny all they are for Jesus, God will do a good work in a one as we rest in Jesus and Holy Spirit instructs us moment to moment, day by day on what to do as even Father Himself will hold our hand if we become like a child, our Father is here to raise us, if we be in Christ, just as he did Jesus... Yet if a one does not yet hate their lives that is of this world, he will keep you in with the enemy to break you down until you loath yourself wollowing in your sin... Therefore, if God chose a one He will get you where He needs to have you before coming in, a broken vessel, Yet I was warned by Father that we are never to dishonour Him by taking on satan apart from His Spirit in Jesus name, satan has rule over man and the fleshly things of man, only in Christ in and by His spirit as we agree with Him are we ever to come up againt the one he gave dominion over us, until we are an overcomer an we become converted then we can operate in His Word in Jesus name as Holy Spirit instructs us, even Jesus did nothing apart from our Father, He spoke only what he heard Father say and did only what He saw Father do, anything else is iniquity as Jesus said to those who were doing things in His name they are worker of iniquity, get away from me I never knew you... There are spiritual forces that are with us this day as I was cast into bed with satan for 7 yrs even knowing how they speak, even as they would manifest themselves in and through me, I had to continually day and night come up against satan and all who are with Him in and by the Word, as I was sifted as wheat, and I can say that where there is truth there is a counterfeit... So we know we have the Son of God here with us even in us as we rest in Him, therefore, the sons of God that came down to woman and defiled themselves would still be here as they are spirit, For one can not drown a Spirit, even if the flood killed their offspring, the seed of lust, the desires of one eyes... Jesus is come into us in and by His Spirit, What about the sons of God, can they not do the same... There is Good and Evil, God is Good, I write out of my personal experience in Jesus name, Thank-you Judah's daughter... You too have been given much, Yet we know much is also required of us, this also keeps me in the fear of the Lord... Thank-you Father in Jesus name...


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi Alexandria, Sounds like you've been through a lot! I'm glad God has seen you through to share your testimony with others.

Based on how the Word is written, it would appear that the fallen angels actually had relations with human women; while the Holy Spirit (invisible) of God overshadowed Mary ~ quite a difference in conception. Likewise, the giants of old were unlike regular human beings; whereas, Christ Jesus was not a giant.

I have a hub called "Is Lucifer the Devil?" and "Lucifer: the spirit of Antichrist" I encourage you to read. It was the Dragon, the Serpent of Old, the Devil and Satan (all one in the same) that warred in heaven with Michael and his angels. The Dragon's tail swept away a third of the stars that were cast out with him. (Rev 12:3-4; 7-9)

Satan is the tempter, who was a murderer from the beginning. He opposes the truth, twists the truth and brings death to all who follow him (John 8:44). We were enslaved because of the fall of Adam and Eve, but praise God, we are set free through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ!

It's so important to study the Word and rightly divide it, for it is our salvation when it comes to Satan and his minions. Jesus combatted Satan in the desert by answering everything Satan said with, "It is written...." AMEN!

According to Enoch, the angels that sinned with women are incarcerated in Tartaroo (hell). The spirits of their offspring are the demons on the earth. The other fallen angels are still at work bringing "doctrines of demons" to mankind. Satan is used for God's purpose, which is to challenge people's hearts to either love the truth that will free them, or love evil and be enslaved to it unto death.

Until "that which is perfect comes", the return of our Lord Jesus Christ, "when we shall see face to face", we have His Spirit living within us to come against the wiles of the devil and walk in the truth (1 Cor 13:8-14:1). He gives us discernment, along with the testing by His Word, to know His voice and the voice of the Adversary (1 Cor 14:32; 1 John 4:1).

Be blessed ~ sounds like you've been set free and will overcome Satan by the word of your testimony!! (Rev 12:11)


Alexandria 6 years ago

Judah's daughter, as I read what you have just wrote the Love of the Lord came upon me greatly for thee, you are very precious and dear to His heart indeed, thank-you in Jesus name...


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Thank you, Alexandria :-) You are precious to our Lord, too and I'm thankful for His love. Praise Him!! God bless you!!


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afro's mistake 6 years ago from dorothys kansas

lol well seeing as i am currently a believer in the idea that the sons of God might have been plain godly people from the line of seth, i can assure you that we do not all believe that there was a pre-adamic race, infact i believe that to be an outright lie(although at one point i did go to a controversial christian baptist school that did believe in a pre-adamic race(like you i think its a hoax)also i noticed that it is obvious a lot of your ideas on this issue comes from reading the book of enoch and then reading what the bible has to say to comfirm it. well let it be known if you belive the bible was divinely inspired and therefore is like what it is today because of God, then you should note that there was a reason the book of enoch was tooken out. though if i am to believe the words of enoch then i must say that what you said is a very convincing argument and im proud(though to be honest im not sure about the whole believeing of enoch thing)like i said in another comment i have a link ive yet to find, that might enlighten you. also i was under the impression that enoch was a lost book.

so you mean to tell me that its open to the public? and if it is could you tell me where i might find it?


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi little brother! I just find it very hard to believe that "godly" men from the line of Seth would breed with non-believers, for that would make them "less than godly men", in my opinion. And, seeing as the husband is the head of his wife, this would contradict as well. Yes, I also do not believe in a "pre-Adamic" race, for the Bible is clear that Adam was the first man created.

Enoch was the seventh son from Adam and a prophet of God (Jude 1:14). Enoch was the son of Jared and walked with God (Gen 5:18, 22). Gen 5:24 and Heb 11:5 state that God took him ~ that he did not see death.

Now, Cain and Reuben also had sons named Enoch, but they did not author the book of Enoch. I have a link on this hub to the Book of Enoch through Amazon. That's where I got mine. There are video links to the book in the comments above, as well.

The Book of Enoch deals much more with the heavenly realm than the physical. I think that because some of the things in there are so "unfathomable" (including supernatural beings [angels] mating with humans), mankind has decided to try to explain it away as something more "fathomable". As much as people try to put God in a "humanized" box, He is Spirit and His dimension is spiritual. Even our spiritual make-up is in His image.

I'm glad you came by to read ~ and comparing the two books, it certainly looks like they lock together without contradiction (a sign of truth). Be blessed :-)


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afro's mistake 6 years ago from dorothys kansas

lol. well since every one is human and therefore not perfect than i myself dont find it too hard to believe that the godly line of seth could have sinned(i mean after all even the king david fell at one point, and the bible even says he was the most like God!) and once again by saying that men couldn't handle having the book of enoch in the bible because it was too much than your pretty much saying the bible is a man-made thing and therefore not divinely inspired(which if it was, according to your own reasoning it would include the book of Enoch) so if you began to question the validity of the men who created the bible then you question the Bible itself(and that honestly is not a good thing to try) yet it is still possible that the sons of God were angels in genesis 6 so in that regard i still admire you and your hubs for trying to prove it.


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

afro's mistake, respectfully, I do belive the Bible is the divinely breathed, inspired Word of God. If man decided to remove the book of Enoch, does it mean that book was not divinely inspired? I am only guessing as to why the Council took it out. The book of Jashar is also removed, yet is mentioned twice in our Bible:

Joshua 10:15 "So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, Until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies. Is it not written in the book of Jashar? And the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day."

2 Samuel 1:18 "and he told them to teach the sons of Judah the song of the bow; behold, it is written in the book of Jashar."

Where is the book of Jashar? Just because it was taken out by man, does that mean it wasn't inspired by God? Not any more than the book of Enoch, in my humble opinion. Why is the Catholic Bible has apocrypha books that are not in the Protestant Bibles? MAN...and I'm not Catholic!

David sinned, but were his children giants? Your parents sinned; are you a giant? How about unbelievers? Are their children giants? Just something to think about. God bless you.


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afro's mistake 6 years ago from dorothys kansas

i wasn't saying that because david sinned his children were giants. i was using that as an example to explain why it was fully plausible that if the sons of god were simply holy people they could still be tempted and maryy the unholy(i mean after all, like i said, even david fell)) and i had said all that because in an earlier comment u had said that you found it hard to believe that if they were so holy they would marry the non-holy. also besides that i was wondering if you were under the impression that you found it hard to believe that God would destroy the whole earth with a flood just because the unholy married the holy. yet i believe at that point in time he would have done something like that. i mean after all even after he promised he wouldn't destroy the earth again he still was willing to destroy certain people for that same sin. i know this because in Deutronomy 7:1-6 he says "Neither shalt you make marriages with them(un-believers); thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughters shalt thou take unto thy son.For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the lord be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly."


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

afro's mistake ~ I understand, though there are many more scriptures that point to the sons of God being fallen angels than there are to support the "godly line of Seth", in my humble opinion.

Consider the following two scriptures (at least):

Num 13:33 "And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight." (KVJ)

The Apostle Paul said in 1 Cor 7:14 "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy." Would God's Law have ever changed regarding the "godly line of Seth"?

It is not contingent upon salvation ~ and you have the choice to believe what you are comfortable believing...as everyone does. I choose to believe the fallen angel theory, as the scriptures seem to confirm this view more specifically. Bless you ~


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newoman53 6 years ago from Utah

J.D. Wow, thank you for the link to this aticle. I knew about the Nepilim, but did not realize they were this large !! This explains why God needs to take charge and pronounce judgement. What a wicked lot they were. Today I wonder if there are Nepilim wondering around in smaller bodies to keep from exposing themselves since it says they were not all extinguished? Tahnk you sister and Bless you !


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Thank you, newoman53!! Don't stop yet...one more hub called "GIANTS After the Flood!": http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/GIANTS-on- That will shed some more light to your latter question :-) Luv U, sister!!


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PlanosLie 6 years ago from Los Angeles

"Today I wonder if there are Nepilim wondering around in smaller bodies to keep from exposing themselves since it says they were not all extinguished?"

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That would be the alien phenomenon. These "aliens" are actually manufactured (likely cloned) biological "robots" for the disembodied spirits, the Nephilim. Satan can't create, but only reduplicate with the material that's already created by God. Hence the need for his/their use of cattle mutilations and human abductions to harvest biological material for this sinister purpose.


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi PlanosLie, I don't think you too off the mark...I suggest you read the sequel to this hub "Giants After The Flood": http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/GIANTS-on-...

Blessings of revelation and enlightenment to you from the Lord God, our Savior, Jesus Christ :-)


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Christian Craig 5 years ago from Chattanooga, TN

Awesome read!! Me and my husband-to-be having studying the book of Enoch as well as some other missing books from the cannon. You are right on about a lot of what you are saying but I was almost confused about when you were referring to the fallen angels. Just to be clear I know that these were not the 1/3 of heaven that followed satan. Matter of fact these Watchers was assigned to be on earth for a specific purpose. Instead they decided to fratinize with the Human. My favorite part of the book of Enoch says that the Angels wanted Enoch to go before the Lord and plead their case. lol Then God said "go back and tell them they should be praying for you not the other way around. Wow...that is awesome!!! I don't...after just reading what I wrote..it could be a possibility :) Thanks for the awesome read!!!!


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi Christian Craig! I haven't read all of Enoch, so I assume the Watchers were of the third of the angels that fell from heaven. The Bible doesn't give us that exact answer. I'm glad you enjoyed the hub! My check-point, when reading what is considered 'extra-biblical' material is to check it with the Bible. If it aligns with what the Bible says, I accept it as truth. If there is no confirmation in the Bible, I ponder the information and seek God ~ some things we simply won't know until we see Jesus face-to-face! God bless you and your husband-to-be! Congratulations!


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Disappearinghead 5 years ago from Wales, UK

This is just pure fantasy and I wouldn't be surprised to find this sort of belief in all sorts of ancient cults and the occult.

Angels are not material and therefore don't have DNA, therefore human/angel offspring are impossible. Case closed.


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Case reopened...

Then I suppose Jesus didn’t have DNA?

Have you ever looked up the word “angel” in Hebrew and Greek? The Hebrew word is “malak”, meaning ambassador, angel, king, messenger. From an unused root meaning to dispatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically, of God, i.e. An angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher) -- ambassador, angel, king, messenger.

In Greek it is the word “aggelos”, which means angel, messenger. From aggello (probably derived from ago; compare agele) (to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an "angel"; by implication, a pastor -- angel, messenger.

The Bible says that Lucifer (heylel ~ star of the morning, son of the dawn) was the king of Babylon (Isaiah 14:4-12). The Bible also says the king of Tyre was the anointed cherub in the Garden of Eden (Ezekiel 28:12-14).


breitling replica 5 years ago

some people say these giants were 11,250 feet tall, lol i hope these babies weren't that big in the womb for that age or they'd a killed their mommies


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

That's funny ~ don't we think as mothers! lol I think the smaller (yet still supenaturally large) skeletons may have been 'children' of these giants. They certainly did multiply on the earth ~ until God destroyed them. For the rest of the story, you might enjoy the sequel, "GIANTS After the Flood!" The link is the blue lettering of this title just above the "In Conclusion" section of this hub. It was a pleasure hearing from you! Thank you and have a blessed day, breitling replica!


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Jachda 5 years ago from Evansville, Indiana

WOW! I am amazed. This is good stuff. Keep up the good work.


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Jachda, you make my heart have JOY! I'm excited you enjoyed this hub ~ it surely was fascinating learning this stuff ~ and there's MORE in the sequel "GIANTS After the Flood!" I put the link at the base of this hub for those who want to keep learning about the giants. Thank you and God bless you!!!


alice 5 years ago

I have heard from a soldier on the net...that some American soldiers saw a giant in Afghanistan, and some of the U.S. soldiers were eaten. they killed the giant and it is somewhere over here stored...our' government' so called... is keeping things very quiet. Believe in Jesus and pray folks. these are also spiritual beings...some have powers. we Christians need to take authority in the Name of Jesus and rebuke this spiritual warfare in the Name of Jesus. psychiatry can not help spiritual needs nor fight against them. they are secular and pretty much useless except for their paychecks to them. I have NO trouble believing that we are in the last days and this is no joke but serious stuff. we have been lied to for years by the so called organized 'church' and our school systems. we need to read the Bible for ourselves and not trust other's words... and we are not to call God a liar. " the Word is God".John 1:1 Gen 6 does read about fallen angels who had sex with women. than the flood... judgment from God Almighty. we who are saved by the blood of the lamb..." are living tabernacles of the Holy Ghost not made with hands" not buildings...


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi alice! Wow, I know I would be skeptical, too. None of us has EVER seen a giant of biblical proportions. I know the Bible says "As it was in the days of Noah" (Mat 24:37) and "As it was in the days of Lot" (Luke 17:28)...this hub has to do with the giants in the days of Noah. The giants in the days of lot is in my sequel, "GIANTS After the Flood!" The link is at the base of this hub, under the video. Hope to see you there. Fascinating topic.

I appreciate your heart for the Lord and how you view the government, hypocrisy in some organized churches and what is being taught or not taught in the schools. We do need to expect the end times will be unparalleled to any time in history, for these are the words of our Lord, Jesus Christ ~ "For those days will be a time of tribulation such as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will." (Mark 13:19)

Remember Israel and His Almighty protection. Remember Noah and his family. Remember Lot and his family. Remember, it took listening to the Lord and OBEYING in order to be delivered. God bless you.


MJ36 5 years ago

Good stuff, but book of Enoch?


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Thanks, MJ36 ~ I mention the Book of Enoch because it gives us more to think about as possibility, not necessarily fact. As I said, if it aligns with what we have in the Bible, it's interesting to consider; if it doesn't, I wouldn't give it credence. I mean, Sanctus Vesania said that the book states Enoch became the angel Metatron and Ben Janse van Rensburg, another commenter on my "Giants After the Flood" hub said the book states Satan had sex with Eve and begat Cain. Those things do NOT align with the Bible, so I toss them. Who knows how many publications of Enoch are out there ~ who knows what is legit or changed for sales? Our very Bible has been changed for publication/marketing/monetary gain....May we stick to the original languages of the Bible (and as old a translation as possible, in my opinion). The Word of God is the final authority in all things. Thanks for reading and God bless.


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angel115707 5 years ago from Galveston, TX

Great Hub! Anyone who doesn't know Enoch needs to study its origin, its not one of those late 3-400 AD soap opera style magazines, that are later referred to as gnostic gospels, it existed long before Jesus and has not contradicted the bible once... these books that are much later than the bible and are vague, and contradicting, read if you like, but I am a very dedicated studier of ancient History, and a Christian, I have read the book of the dead, and any ancient texts... What I really think is amazing is how people don't see Israels role as the Holy people... they think its either racism or just God's choice but can't see the obvious reasons... It wasn't just about favoritism, read about the battles, They were fighting nephilim... The fallen angels were wanting to regain lost ground from the flood, but God chose a holy and dedicated nation, who new Enoch, and Noah, he chose the Nation of Isreal to extinguish them before they became powerful again, and they did a pretty good job, you can find the bones of men of renown and giants (mentioned in the bible many times, as philistines which is how they still pronounce Palistine the Middle East.. Philistine..etc) but you really do not see giants there anymore.... I think thats the video I had been looking for... I haven't seen it in a while, yeah!


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

So glad you came over to read this, angel115707! I haven't read all of Enoch (I only have one volume). Is it true that there are differing books of Enoch out there for marketing? I can't believe Enoch would have become the angel Metatron or that Satan had sex with Eve; both would contradict the Bible.

When you shared about the fallen angels wanting to regain lost ground from the flood, I realize there were a number of fallen angels that sinned with women prior to the flood and are therefore, incarcerated in the deepest abyss of Hades. We know there are still fallen angels on the earth today. I hope you will read my sequel to this, "GIANTS After the Flood" and tell me your thoughts. Do you have hubs on what you've read about the giants pre-and post-flood? If so, I would be interested to read them.

Thank you again. God bless you!!!


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StephenSMcmillan 5 years ago

Amazing.


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

I agree, StephenSMcmillan! Thanks for reading and commenting!


Simeon (Durban - South Africa) 5 years ago

Wow, Awesome stuff. I have just watched the film (The truth about hip hop) and speaks about nephilim and how he ochestrates his work through singers and rappers who sell there souls to the Fallen Angels. We need to Trust the Word of God. After all our hope is in Christ Alone and he will direct our focus on the Truth. Awesome stuff Judah's daughter. :)


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

I don't listen to hip hop, but I've got to watch that, Simeon! Thank you for sharing and for the compliment. Yes, we need to trust the Word of God and know our hope is only found in Christ the LORD alone. He is our Shepherd and we best not take our eyes off Him, nor get off His path. We can trust Him to come after us, though, if we start to wander...what a faithful Shepherd! God bless.


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PoweroftheCross 5 years ago from Above and Beyond...

Most excellent Hub! I read the Book of Enoch and the Book of Jasher (available on Amazon). But I spent months tracing the history of giants in the Old Testament. The Bible gives enough evidence about giants to prove all you have said. The only reason to rebuke or argue would be stubborn denial and lack of faith in the word. These same spirits operate today. The Book of Enoch explains the evils giants taught. Yet, scripture explains all evil and sin. I've heard so much debate on this topic. No need for debate. God is not a liar! If the photos of giants are fake, so be it. There were giants, as the scripture states and that's proof enough. You did a great job with this article. What a blessing it is to connect with those who love,linger and labor over the word of God, leaving no stone unturned. Awesome! God bless you Judah's daughter. Glory to the Lion of Judah, our precious savior Jesus Christ.


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Thank you and bless your heart, PoweroftheCross! It does take what I call "Panning for God" to dig into the mysteries of the Word. Many want to keep things 'fleshly' or what we call 'carnal', so these otherwise 'outlandish' things can be explained or understood with our finite brains. The spirit man in us is created to understand spiritual things, that are revealed through study, the Holy Spirit's guidance and faith. If we believe in an after-life, why then limit the spirit realm to carnal 'life'? May we be open to the greater things, for even still, we don't know everything we will know when that after-life dawns. I appreciate that you, too have studied and come away with the same results. Yes, glory to the Lion of Judah, our precious savior Jesus Christ!! God bless you always.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 5 years ago from Blitzburgh area

I am absolutely certain that there are New York Giants and San Francisco Giants. And after reading this, I am pretty sure that there were giants way back when Noah took the boat ride, and after that. I also suspect that the fallen angels are coming back in the last days to fornicate with human women once again, as has been mentioned.

I’m just not convinced that the giants were two miles tall like you said, Judah’s Daughter. You suggest the possibility that some act of the fallen angels may have corrupted the Bible. It is perhaps more plausible that the fallen angels corrupted the Book of Enoch, particularly with respect to the size of the giants. You know, in order to make it sound more like “Jack and the Beanstalk” than inspired writing that belongs in the Bible.

If you are sticking to your story that the giants were two miles tall, Judah’s Daughter, I would definitely be interested in your explanation of how a two mile high man has intimate relations with a 5’ 6’ woman (or however tall you are). Not that I’m attempting to turn your hub pornographic, but I’m having difficulty picturing all this in my mind.

Also, if the fallen angels do come back to fornicate with human women once again in the last days how exactly do they . . . oh never mind.

Personally, I think someone over 7’ tall is a giant and tall enough to have much better than average “success” with women. Wilt Chamberlain, 7’1”, claimed to have fornicated with 20,000 women. I’m wondering if he may have had some mutant gene, if ya know what I mean. We should exhume his body and check the DNA. No wait, he was cremated Those dang fallen angels up to their old tricks again?

We know how big dinosaurs were. We have dem bones. We got no bones for any human over 9’ tall. Not any that I believe are real. And don’t even tell me the bones are buried where we can’t find them, like in Jezebel’s bottomless pit.

Out of curiosity I just reviewed the Dead Sea Scroll fragments that pertain to this issue. Yep, they refer to really big giants rather than normal giants, as in “The offspring of these unnatural unions were giants 450 feet high.” The fragments were Aramaic, the same language of certain small portions of the Bible. There are no Hebrew manuscripts of Enoch, just a few Greek and Latin fragments, and a whole bunch of Ga’ez. I wondered if this info regarding the size of the giants was available to those early church leaders who in effect “banned” the Book of Enoch, causing it to be “lost” for well over a thousand years. Bruce brought 3 copies back to Europe from Ethiopia in the 18th century. Those copies were in the Ge’ez language and not translated into English until around 150 years later.

Is anyone besides me attempting to become fluent in Ge’ez? Libri Enoch Prophetae Versio Aethiopica. Thank God for Rosetta Stone.

Kudos to you, Judah’s Daughter. Your hubs are informative, enlightening, thought-provoking, and very well-written. I agree with 99% of what you have said on the hubs of yours I have read. It is the other 1% I would like to discuss.


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

BLACKANDGOLDJACK ~ you DO have a talent for writing! Very entertaining!! :-) :-)

I appreciate your comment; I really do. You did ask me a question: "I would definitely be interested in your explanation of how a two mile high man has intimate relations with a 5’ 6’ woman (or however tall you are)."

May I remind you that it was not the fallen angels that were allegedly 2 miles tall; it was their offspring, aka the Nephelim. Some think the giants were the fallen angels, but no. I assume the giant males mated with the giant females and they were a race all their own. Hey, do you suppose these ancient books were prophesying about baseball? Angels vs. the Giants? lol

I appreciate that you agree with 99% of my other hubs ~ what a great compliment ~ I guess we all can't be 100% or we'd be nearly perfect....lol. I hope you at least found this one entertaining (touche!). God bless you, and thanks again.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 5 years ago from Blitzburgh area

Judah’s Daughter, of course these ancient books are prophesizing about baseball! lol

Q: Where is the first baseball game in the Bible?

A: So how does the Bible start? “In the beginning (big inning) . . .” In the big inning, Eve stole first, Adam stole second. Cain struck out Abel, and the Prodigal Son came home. The Giants and the Angels were rained out.

You are correct in that there is no evidence in the Bible or the Book of Enoch that the fallen angels themselves were gigantic. Just the offspring. I went and looked. I assumed that since the babies were really big that the fathers may have been sorta big.

I’m not sure that I buy that the giant male offspring mated with only the giant female offspring though. I need to mull this over more. To help, I got a hold of a XXX movie entitled “Giant Amazon Women ‘Train’ Tiny Midget Wrestlers.”

So who do you think the flood destroyed? Everyone but those with Noah on the ark or just the “polluted” seed as in those with some fallen angel blood or exactly who?

In Gen 6:1-4 we have the verses about the fallen angels and giants and then in verse 6:9 we have the verse about Noah being perfect in his generations. So who was not perfect in their generations, and why?

I think there is another flood coming. The world should be more alarmed than with Y2K. Hey, I got my scuba gear, flotation devices, and C-Rations. Yeah, and I live near Lake Erie. You can drink that polluted water, unlike ocean water.

Thanks for the “God bless you” and same to you and you go girl!


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hello BLACKANDGOLDJACK, I've never heard renting movies could answer my biblical questions! Was that an unknown prophecy, too?

I will respectfully attempt to answer your following question and subsequent paragraph:

You asked, "So who do you think the flood destroyed? Everyone but those with Noah on the ark or just the “polluted” seed as in those with some fallen angel blood or exactly who?"

I assume you're asking about Gen 3:15 "And there will be war between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed: by Him will your head be crushed and by you His foot will be wounded."

I can understand how you would assume 'seed' has to do with carnal insimination. However, that does not appear to be the biblical meaning here.

The cross-references to Gen 3:15 are:

Romans 16:20 "The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you."

and

Rev 12:17 "Then the dragon [Satan] was enraged at the woman [spiritual Israel] and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring--those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus."

Jesus addressed the 'children of the devil' in John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies."

1 John 3:10 tells us, "By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother."

If the Book of Enoch gives us a clue as to what the Watchers (fallen angels) taught mankind, those who practiced such things were considered 'children of the devil' or 'wicked'. If 'demons' or 'evil spirits' were yet on the earth, as the book of Enoch claims, this would then answer to the 'doctrines of demons' and their effect on mankind, even in these latter days: 1 Tim 4:1 "But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth."

1 Peter 3:20 confirms that only eight persons were saved from the flood. The cross-references to that verse are:

Genesis 6:5 "The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time."

and

Genesis 7:23 "Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark."

Hopefully, this answered your question more accurately than 'Blockbanger'.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 5 years ago from Blitzburgh area

Blockbanger? You can be seriously funny when you are not being so serious.

Whenever I hear/read the verse from 1 Tim 4:1 you quoted, specifically the “. . . men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods . . . “ part, I can’t help but think Catholic.

If anyone should reserve the right to critique all things Catholic, it might be me. I was born and raised Catholic. The nuns smacked me on the hand in Catechism, and I wasn’t even spanking the monkey. I graduated from a Catholic University, and at that time you were required to take courses like “Philosophy of God” in addition to your typical Bible fare. All taught by priests. I got the one and only “F” in my college career in a NT course taught by a Father S. I aced all the multiple choice tests, but he trashed by essays and said although I did participate in class discussions, I was extremely disruptive. I don’t even think it was because I never raised my hand to be acknowledged like the other students and instead just said something whenever I had a point to make. I could have taken the course over from another professor to raise my GPA, but no, I was prouder of that “F” than the “A” I got in the “Philosophy of Communism.”

Oh, and listen to this. In the course “Philosophy of God,” the priest would make some outlandish assertion, to me anyway, and say to the students, “Now you go to your rooms and meditate on this, and soon it will all make sense.” I went to my room and medicated with my friends Jack (Daniels) and Jim (Beam), but it just didn’t work for me.

Why am I telling you this you may wonder. I’m cutting you some slack because I very much admire your tenaciousness in promulgating the true Word of God. When I disagree with you on some scriptural issue, you can always say, “Hey now, didn’t you flunk a basic Bible course?”

Back to the Giants. Hakem Nicks got less than 11 points Monday night and I won my fantasy game. I’m addicted to football, not porn. But I should tell you this story about midget sex because it relates quite well to giant sex, in terms of genetic disorders.


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Well, BLACKANDGOLDJACK, I find your humor very refreshing! I've known a few priests that were best friends with Jack and Jim, for sure. At least you were keeping common company! I can tell you, if I ever stepped foot in a Catholic anything, I'd be expelled the first day! See, once you study the Bible (as you're doing so eloquently), there's too much to question them about (already knowing the answers, of course). Yes, if you were addicted to porn, you'd get the ol' foot-ball from this girl! lol


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area

It's all your fault, Judah's Daughter. In following the comments on one of your hubs, I found ShadowKing1's "The Case against the Angelic Gene of the Nephilim, Part 1." I submitted this comment (approval pending), which I am telling you about because I mentioned your name. With considerable reverence, of course. I said:

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This expose is an insult to one’s intelligence. Well, maybe not mine. I flunked the Wonderlick Test. According to Judah’s Daughter, anyway.

I agree with magnoliazz. This isn’t about ordinary men having sex with women. What’s so special about that? That has been pointed out to me on numerous occasions by a variety of women.

Now, you go on about the KJV and the Old English and the British way of speaking, writing, and reading. Are you implying that’s where we got the fallen angel interpretation? I don’t think so.

Let’s go back more than a thousand years before the KJV. Prior to Augustine, the prevailing interpretation was fallen angels. It’s all over the place, to include the Dead Sea Scrolls.

No doubt you had heard of Josephus. He said, “For many angels of God, consorting with women, fathered children who were insolent, and despisers of every good thing because of the confidence that they had in their power. For, according to tradition, they are said to have committed outrages comparable to those said by the Greeks to have been done by giants.”

Of course you could counter with John Calvin, who went with ordinary men having sex with women. But then, his favorite flower was the TULIP.

Your pictures are pretty, ShadowKing1, but your logic and research have room for improvement.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Awesome stuff, BLACKANDGOLDJACK! Yes, ShadowKing! is not the easiest person to reason with, as he has a lot of interpretations that are simply his own. He doesn't believe Jesus is God, but there are two in the 'Godhead' and certainly refutes the idea of hell. Likewise, he rejects this doctrine of the fallen angels, too. I don't know if you read my hub regarding Calvinism's poison TULIP (maybe that's what I should have called it), called "Don't Limit His LOVE", but that's one of the most arrogant doctrines ever invented. Arrogance and teachability don't mix, thus I suppose is my impression of some of ShadowKing's refutations of the Truth. I do admire him for challenging the doctrines of men, but when one comes up with another doctrine of man, what's the benefit? Your response is superb. God bless you, my friend and brother in the LORD!


grace explosion 4 years ago

The "Nephilim" -- well, the damned are devils in human flesh appearing. With great wickedness and devil worship -- they can begin to "transfigure". All around us are devils in human flesh appearing. The days of Nephilim are returning. There will be sufficient wickedness, that they will transfigure again. Last note. God bless.


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sarmack 4 years ago from Washington

Alot of research done! Very good. It makes me wonder about the giant killed by David?!!


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Thank you sarmack!! To know more about Goliath, who was a giant AFTER the flood, I have written about those giants as well. At the base of this hub is a link to my sequel, "Giants After the Flood". Hope to see you there! God bless you!!


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JamesPoppell 4 years ago

A very interesting and well informed hub regarding the giants of old and the daughters of men. I also am a fan of The Book of Enoch. Thanks for sharing on this topic that is not talked about much. Vote up.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Thank you JamesPoppell! What a blessing to meet you! I'm so glad you enjoyed the read!! God bless you!!


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On "Origins of the Nephilim" passing on scripture with thoughts for review. God bless.

Jude 1:4 4For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (The reprobate men who creep in unawares "were before of old ordained to this condemnation". They are "pre-ordained" thus predestined to condemnation/damnation. This pre-condemnation of reprobate humans (the damned) reveals predestination. Shows pre-existence of the reprobate before being born. The reprobate are predestined substantively to condemnation as pre-existing "persons".)

6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. (A reference to fallen angels in discussion of the reprobate humans who are creeping in unaware around and in the company of the saints.)

13Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever (Clear tie-in referring to the pre-"condemned from long ago": a previous age. Shows pre-existence of the reprobate again, but now revealing them to be fallen angels as "wandering stars". Predestination to hell is exemplified in Jude to be on the basis of the reprobate actually "being" devils from hell. They appear in human bodies as the reprobate who creep in among the righteous as tares among the wheat.)

From this view, all who are on the left of Jesus on Judgment Day as "mankind" are actually all Nephilim. They are the devil and his angels in human flesh appearing all having been born as men.

Matthew 25:41

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hello grace explosion, I know where you're going with all this, but I think you may do well to get a bit more balanced with the understanding of the spiritual realm on earth, involving fallen angels (a third of them fell, and not all of them sinned with human women ~ meaning, many of them are still here in many forms). People choose whom they serve. Just as believers in Christ open themselves to receiving His Holy Spirit and submitting to His will and allowing Him to speak and work through them, there are those who open themselves to receiving the spirit(s) of Satan , submit to his will and allow him (his demons) to speak and work through them. Not all humans are either fallen angels or godly angels that pre-existed the human existiance in the heavenlies. THAT IS SIMPLY NOT SCRIPTURAL.

You may enjoy my teaching on this subject, as a matter of fact. It's title is alarming, yet the hub is one of wonderment and biblical examples/teaching of this phenominon: "Is Everyone Possessed?" http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Is-Everyon...

See you there...


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Judah's Daughter, I respect on your statement of faith how you state that we all must gain what we gain from scripture alone. We've all had people "tell us" based on what they see, that what we see is "simply not scriptural". I pray you will examine the scripture and pray about it. I have conviction by the Holy Spirit and state part of my personal statement of faith which I gained through over 40 years of Bible study with no doctrinal teaching by others. In fact, I am the "first to see it" in my company of saints. I was born-again at age 3 seeing Jesus face to face in full revelation in the full manifest glory of God. Perhaps God has gifted me to see certain things. I see that God has shown you certain things others do not see as of yet. And I'm certain, fellow journeyer, that denominational Christians have told you "that is simply not scriptural" based on their statement of faith. Grace is needed and patience as we share things sometimes.

The issue of the will of man and power to choose is the root sin of Satan in his fall -- and the greatest stronghold in our flesh. These were the "I will" statements of Satan by which Satan fell. It is "original sin" in demand for "free will" which automatically casts God down from His Throne and replaces God with self.

God's response, quite interestingly, is to force Satan to be born in human flesh appearing as a man. Then, God casts Satan into the lowest depths of hell with worms covering him as Satan is encased in human flesh as his punishment. Satan said he would exalt his throne above the Throne of God Most High. I believe scripture testifies God responded by creating earth, turning to the holy angels saying, "Let us make man in our image..." and causing the elect to be born from above. Contrariwise, God "trapped" Satan and the devils in human flesh... and thereby cast Satan to the ground, to the grave, and to the curse of rotting flesh in hell for the 1000 years to become... a man with the rest of the devils.

Poetic justice. Divine wrath and vengeance in punishment for great pride in demanding free will... which is original sin and very challenging for us in this flesh to recognize as original sin and evil. In fact, the story gets turned so that some say God gave them this will to do evil. Clearly, it came from "father Satan" who is the author of the demand for personal will separated from God. Scripture also states that we are not saved by human decision. Respectfully, iron sharpens iron and I simply state scriptural points.

The desire for power of will separated from God could be defined as the spirit of satan, in my view.

Isaiah 14:11Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. 12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

John 1:13

children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

Scripture does not support salvation by human decision. Scripture states predestination.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

grace explosion, I must say that though I have not posted many of your comments, I have the direction by the LORD to at least offer you some Seed. Believe it or not, you have the CHOICE (though it's not about 'free will') to partake of it or not.

I respect anyone's experiences with the LORD, and there are some who claim to have had wonderous, miraculous experiences with angelic or 'God' appearances, including Joseph Smith (Mormonism) and Muhammad (Islam) ~ even Edgar Casey (New Age). I've had my own experiences with God and I've written about them. Bottom line is, these doctrines of demons were started somewhere ~ and we must agree, it was the fallen angels that exist even to this day.

Those angels 'fed' those who received their words and believed on them. Their followers are following the Pied Pipers to destruction. This is why we are to 'test the sprits', for those spirits are speaking through those who allowed them in and believe them. We test all things in the fear of the LORD.

I have answered you in a few of my hubs, all collectively will hopefully be received by you. I am just the planter, perhaps even one who waters, but I am nothing; for it is God who gives the increase (1 Cor 3:7), depending on the soil of your heart (Mat 13).

May I invite you to partake of my hub called "DON'T LIMIT HIS LOVE", which addresses 'predestination': http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Dont-Limit...

The passage in Isaiah 14 you quoted is not about Satan, who is the Dragon, the Serpent of Old and the Devil (Rev 12:9; 20:2). It is about a cherub, heylel ~ aka Abaddon/Apollyon. He is the Antichrist, the king of Babylon ~ he that fell, is in the pit, and will come up from that abyss to go to his destruction (perdition) as the end-time king of Babylon. The Antichrist and Satan are separated at the beginning of the millennial reign (Rev 19:20-20:3). The Antichrist and False Prophet are cast into the Lake of Fire (Gehenna), while Satan is bound in the bottomless pit (Hades), to be released at the end of the millennial reign (Rev 20:7). When the Day of Judgment comes, Satan will join the Antichrist (beast) and False Prophet in the Lake of Fire (Rev 20:10). They are not the same.

You can read that study of mine here, called "Is Lucifer the Devil?": http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Is-Lucifer...

Speaking of John 3, to be "born of water" is to be born of the mother's womb. This is the choice of husband and wife to birth a child. Jesus is saying that we must not only be "born of water" (flesh), but "born of the Spirit" (spirit), which is not a choice between man and woman (flesh), but man and God (Spirit). We must be "born again" (born twice).

The spirits of the dead Nephilim, for instance, were called evil spirits on the earth. Possession of someone is not being born as someone. The gravest sin of the Nephilim's parents (the fallen angels and human women) was copulation and the subsequent birth of these evil giants. God DOES NOT ALLOW this and destroyed the earth with a flood because of it. THOSE fallen angels who sinned in this way are already incarcerated in Tartaroo (the deepest abyss of Hades) until their final judgment to the Lake of Fire (Gehenna).

Humans are NOT pre-existent spirits born in the flesh. GOD Himself took on human flesh. SATAN cannot do that. He will empower the Antichrist (even enter him), yet the Antichrist is NOT Satan himself. Satan can ENTER a human, but though he entered Judas, Judas was NOT Satan himself. Satan and/or his minions can enter and leave the human body. God's flesh died on that cross. God's Spirit never dies and because of shedding His OWN blood (Acts 20:28), He can now dwell in us, if we choose to receive Him. This does not make us GOD HIMSELF, but children of God. Likewise, those who allow the spirit(s) of Satan IN, are children of the Devil. They do his will, while we do our Father's will. Any human can repent and that's why Jesus died. To set us free from that enslavement. We can CHOOSE whom we will serve (Josh 24:15).

Rom 6:16 "Do you not know that when YOU PRESENT YOURSELVES to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?"

I've addressed the subject of SIN and righteousness to you in another comment, but to sum it up, "ALL HAVE SINNED" (Rom 3:23); "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO NOT ONE" (Rom 3:10) and "IF WE SAY WE HAVE NO SIN, WE DECEIVE OURSELVES AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN US" (1 John 1:8). "Our own righteousness (through works) is as FILTHY RAGS" (Isa 64:6). "Jesus, Who knew no sin became sin for us, that we MIGHT be made the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD IN HIM" (2 Cor 5:21).

Eph 2:8-9 "For it is by grace you are saved THROUGH FAITH [in Jesus Christ], and it's not of yourselves [your own righteous works]; it is the GIFT of GOD [gifts are just that], NOT OF WORKS [of ourselves], lest ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST [in himself]." I will BOAST IN THE LORD (Ps 34:2; 1 Cor 1:31; 2 Cor 10:17).

May our LORD, JESUS CHRIST, be PRAISED!


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Slave2ChristJesus 4 years ago from Milwaukee, WI

Greetings, Judah's Daughter! Forgive me if I am repeating another's comment, as I did not have a chance to read all comments, but have you ever seen the TV program 'Prophecy in the News'? Therre is also a magazine publication by the same name. It's by Gary Stearman. He covers not only nephilim, but end- time prophecy, aliens/ demons, etc. I really enjoy his work, and his magazine is fantastic; I think you would enjoy it also. He recently did some research on the Book of Enoch.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi, Slave2ChristJesus!! No, I haven't seen the TV program, 'Prophecy in the News'! I wonder if there are episodes on Netflix? I'm going to search for it. Speaking of the 'last days Nephilim', in my sequel hub "Giants After the Flood" I go into the fact the Bible states there were indeed giants after the flood, and they trace back to Arba, who is NOT of the line of Noah. They inter-bred, as Goliath had not only a father, but three brothers. Though most of the Anakims/Rephaim (of the Nephilim - in that Enoch declares the spirits of the dead Nephilim were to be called evil spirits on the earth) were killed off, not all of them were! Josh 11:21-22, "yet some of them remained in Gaza, Gath and Ashdod, along the coast of the Mediterranean Sea." Pretty spooky...

AND, who currently dwells in those areas? Get this! Did you know one of the names of 'Allah' is Al-Kfahid, The Abaser, he who diminishes or decreases: "We have put chains around their necks chin high, and forced them to lift up their heads."

Now, compare this to the definition of Anakim (?Hebrew): Anaqiy, descendants of the nephil “Anak” or “Anaq”, name literally meaning “choked, collared, strangle, encompassed by a chain, necklace.”

Have the 'giants' always been among us? Are they HERE? I believe so! Secret societies, false teachers, those who seek to deceive and destroy God's children, and want to control the world, etc...it just blows my mind!

Thank you for the comment and the recommendation. I think we all need to 'pay attention', for sure! God bless you!


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Slave2ChristJesus 4 years ago from Milwaukee, WI

Interesting! Have you ever heard of Usama Dakdoc? He is a speaker, formerly Muslim and now Christian. He did a segment once where he explained how the name Allah was actually the moon god! I'm not sure if 'Profecy in the News' could be found on Netflix, I watch it on our local VCY TV station. Thanks!


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

I will look up Usama Dakdoc, too! Thank you! Walid Shoebat is also a converted ex-PLO Muslim Terrorist, who wrote the following about 'Bel':

"Bel boweth down, Nebo stoopeth, their idols were upon the beasts, and upon the cattle" (Isaiah 46:1)

What was on the beasts and cattle? Crescent moons. This will bow, and God calls it Bel.

One of the greatest authors of Islamic history is Arthur Jeffrey. Here are some of his quotes:

"Allah is a pre-Islamic name corresponding to the Babylonian god known as Bel".

Allah is the moon god of Babylonia - Bel. This symbol will bow. In other words all minarets with crescents on top will be taken down - to bow."

You might enjoy my hub called "Islam and Revelation". This is incredibly fascinating stuff! Here's the link:

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/The-Unholy...

Press on Slave2ChristJesus! We are bond-servants and children of the LORD, Jesus Christ and in the end - He wins. AMEN!


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi Slave2ChristJesus! Unfortunately, Netflix doesn't have even DVDs of 'Prophecy in the News', but I found the shows online. This one (video), posted March 7, 2012 is fabulous: http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/videos/tv-program...

Thanks so much again!


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Slave2ChristJesus 4 years ago from Milwaukee, WI

Oh good I'm glad you found it! Now that you mentioned Walid Shoebat, he may have said the part about Allah's name, not Usama. Thanks and I'll be in prayer for your fruitful ministry here!


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

I just read your hub on "The Post-Resurrection Appearances of Christ" and I was just so blessed, Slave2ChristJesus! I'm glad we're one in the Lord, Jesus Christ. I pray God's anointed blessings upon you and your hubs. Thank you so much.


Travis 4 years ago

I guess The bigger question for those who hold to the idea that the off spring are of the line of seth, just normal humans, is why all Giants?


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

That is a great question, since those that hold to the line of Seth idea consider the giants to be super tyrants. I mean, we have some serious bullies today and who wouldn't be able to take 'em down? Who wouldn't WANT to? If anything, we have to restrain ourselves to be kind to them, in spite of their tyrany. No, people were AFRAID of these giants; if they could have been taken down by mankind, God would not have intervened in such a drastic way...of course, that is my opinion.

I look at the fear those with Joshua and Caleb had of the giants (Anakim/Rephaim) in Canaan AFTER the flood - they certainly felt like 'grasshoppers' in comparison. Those giants were not as large as their fathers, the pre-flood Nephilim (Num 13:33) and certainly, Joshua and Caleb took 'em down.

Now, when we consider Isaiah 40:22, speaking of GOD - "God sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in", I think this not only speaking of size, but greatness/awesomeness/power...in a MAJOR WAY, don't you think? Imagine what the Nephilim were like?

Thanks for reading and commenting. God bless you!


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ElderYoungMan 4 years ago from Worldwide

"The Christians who oppose this teaching believe the “sons of God” that had sex with women in the days of Noah were the godly sons of Seth. Well, how in the world would evil overtake the earth to the point of God’s judgment of the flood, if their offspring were godly? "..... Don't you just love logic and truth? Truth just makes everything simple. How "Did" the world get over-run with evil if these "Son's of God" were just? Why did they produce giants as offspring? Why does this Biblical text match the Babylonian depiction of the Anunnaki? Why is there so much Greek lore about "gods" having sex with mortal women? Where exactly did the Perseus and Hercules legends come from.... OK. Let's forget the legends. How about the fact the Book of Enoch spells all of this out? Non-canon? Not in the Ethiopic canon and I believe it was in the 1611 KJV...... This may be a selective sort of truth gathering! :-) Keep preaching sis!


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi brother ElderYoungMan! You are so refreshing to my spirit. Thank you. Yes, God's scripture states His Law of the unbelieving spouse's sanctification by the faith of the believing spouse, else their children would be unclean (1 Cor 7:14). I've researched a bit as to the KJV originally containing 88 books of scripture, including the books of Enoch! Indeed, these books, with several others, were removed in the 4th century and the new doctrine of the 'sons of Seth' introduced. Truth is, back in the day of Jesus the 'sons of Seth' doctrine wasn't even in existence. When Jesus prophesied it would be as it was in the days of Noah (pre-flood Nephilim giants) and Lot (post-flood Anakim/Rephaim giants), in the final days of this world before He comes to judge it with finality, He knew nothing of the 'sons of Seth' heresy.

You have far more exposure to extra-biblical writings than I, and appreciate you sharing just how many written accounts of this historical fact there are. God bless you as you continue to share what God lays on your heart. I very much appreciate your comment and support.


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ElderYoungMan 4 years ago from Worldwide

Scripture, science and history. 3 different dimensions that the Father shows his hand in is pretty hard to argue with. It was for me when I was a "Religious" doubter.


L7 4 years ago

Its an interesting thingg to mention the book of Enoch. It is said that all Bibles up until the 1880s had 80 books (even Protestant ones). The Apocrypha being included between the Old and New Testaments.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Yes, the Bible we have today even refers to the writings of Enoch and even Jasher - why did so many books get removed? That's a SAD thing, in my 'book'. Good to see you, L7! God bless you.


CHRIST REMEMBERANCE 3 years ago

just curious about the whole thing if god caused the flood to get rid of the fallen angels and there sinner relatives. then why are there still problems with manly sins


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Judah's Daughter 3 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi, CHRIST REMEMBERANCE, angels cannot be killed; they were created and are eternal beings. God didn't bring the flood to wipe out the fallen angels, but the children of them and the women who birthed them, as well as their descendants. The fallen angels that partook of this sin are currently incarcerated in Tartaroo (the deepest abyss of Hades, aka Hell); the rest are busy roaming the earth and by what I can tell, are responsible for starting false doctrines (Gal 1:8). Reference the 1800's when Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses and SDA's were founded and how they were founded.

Satan and demons are yet active in this world (reference the temptation of Christ by Satan after His baptism and the demon-possessed whom Jesus delivered in the New Testament). God allows them to exist until their appointed time, when Satan will be bound in Hades for a thousand years and is cast into the Lake of Fire post-millennia. They have a purpose for existing and I have a couple of hubs on this topic:

Satan's Purpose http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Satans-PUR...

God Created Satan - Did God Create Evil? http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/God-Create...

I pray you are blessed in His name. Thank you for coming by to read and comment.


BlueKnightt 3 years ago

J.D.

Very informative hub. Unlike some of your other readers, I am grateful you have used the Book of Enoch to enlighten us. I am always perplexed that so many Christians "fear" to consider any information not found in the books bound within a book we call the Bible. There are 17 books that I know of which are mentioned in the Bible yet are not contained within our current Bible. I know that our Creator has not ceased to reveal Himself & His purposes to men; this is why Jesus sent us the Holy Spirit on Pentecost. Thus we should seek His guidance concerning all information before we receive it as truth while recognizing that He is a Living God and continues to speak to men today. If we close our minds to revelation we are no different than the religious teachers who rejected Jesus' teachings believing that what God had spoken through the prophets of old was the end of His revealed Word.

So many today are down on God because they do not know all His purposes and view Him through the Old Testament lense of anger, jealousy, and destruction (like the flood). Therefore, it is very helpful to know that one major reason for the destruction of the Earth by flood was the perversion of the Adamic seed by these fallen angels. Thankfully, this hub adds to our understanding of the Father's purposes, in glory, for the human race.

I note that you say Enoch was the seventh son of Adam but you also give the Genesis reference stating he was the son of Jared (who was perhaps a seventh generation descendent of Adam)


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Judah's Daughter 3 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

BlueKnightt, how REFRESHING your comment is and I agree with you 100%. Please let me know the other books mentioned in the Bible that we don't have (as I only know of Enoch and Jasher thus far) - that would be fascinating information. And I thank you for bringing my attention to 'seventh son from Adam', as Enoch was really the 'seventh generation from Adam, the son of Jared'. I have corrected this in my hub (now it's most accurate)! I praise God for you and hope you get a chance to visit more of my hubs, as I would love to read more of your commentaries!


BlueKnightt 3 years ago

J.D.

Here are a few Bible references to other writings by chosen men of the Lord God which are not bound within our current Bible; surely there are others not so easily identified.

Book of the covenant, Ex 24:7

Book of wars of the Lord, Nu 21:14

Bk of Jasher , Jos 10:13

Bk of statutes of the kingdom (Saul's anointing as king),

I Sam 10:25

Bk of Enoch Jude, 14

Bk of acts of Solomon, I Ki 11:41

Bk of Nathan the prophet, I Ch 29:29

Bk of Gad the seer, I ch 29:29

Bk of the prophecy of Ahijah, II Ch 9:29

Bk of the prophecy of the visions of Iddo the seer, II Ch 9:29

Bk of Jehu, II Ch 20:34

Acts of Uzziah (by Isaiah ?) II Ch 26:22

Sayings of the seers, II Ch 33:19

Epistle (missing) of Paul to saints at Corinth, I Co 5: 9

Epistle (missing) from Paul to the Ephesians, Eph 3:3

Epistle (missing) from Paul to the Colossians written from Laodicea, Col 4:16

Missing Epistle of Jude, Jude 3

I hope this helps.


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Judah's Daughter 3 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Thank you, BlueKnight! I'm so glad you came back to provide this information! I'll see what I can find on these missing books. I know Enoch opened so much more to understanding what is written in what's left of the Bible. Awesome. God bless you!


ChangedbyJesus 2 years ago

Hi JD, been reading your posts and have a question. Now I know this stuff is crazy to wrap your brain around... I have a very vivid imagination :-) So at first I was excited at the thought of the Nephilim being so giant and that they were eating people... stay with me cuz I know that sounds horrible lol. What person that believes in the flood doesn't at one time imagine the horrid scene of people, women and children, banging to get into the ark as they're dying? Again, me = vivid imagination. So cool, earth being destroyed by flood is mainly for the evil big huge guys because I had all the little people killed off (I know I'm silly)...

Then I start imagining these 1-2 mile tall people... oh what large feet you have! Couldn't they have just ravished the ark in a matter of seconds with their bare hands? The ark was about 450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet high. It would have been like a bathtub toy to these guys.

What do you think? And I know I'm late to the game... um... I usually am :-)


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Judah's Daughter 2 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Very good question, ChangedbyJesus. Who knows, though, whether the giants congregated in particular parts of the 'world' as we know it at that time, whereas Noah may not have resided anywhere near them. It's only a guess. I don't recall the Book of Enoch addressing that, but I will do a little more research to see if I can find out anything.

If the giants were between 1/4 m and 2.5 m tall, Mt. Ararat is just over 3 miles high and thus the depth of the water was just enough to drown them.

I like the way you think :-) Blessings!


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Amy Choisser 2 years ago from Melbourne Fl

Great explanation and description. I learned of this when reading Derek Prince books but what you wrote makes it my digestable. I wonder why the book of Enoch was not given privelege to the bible? I did read one book out of the Catholic Bible that discussed spiritual warfare in a more graphic form but again the Holy Bible doesn't hold that book either.


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Judah's Daughter 2 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Sorry it took me a bit to post, Amy! Yes, I agree - I wonder why Enoch was "left out" of the Scriptures. The very first verse of the Book is "The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect ⌈⌈and⌉⌉ righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked ⌈⌈and godless⌉⌉ are to be removed. " I've listened to the Book on youtube and frankly, do not feel it contradicts anything in the Holy Bible. I accept it because of this and it surely fills in some of the "blanks" in the Bible, due to it having been removed. I'm very glad you enjoyed the hub! Thanks for reading and commenting. God bless you!


lydia 15 months ago

I do not believe when they bore the children that they were giants. It would be imposible for a woman to bare children of that size. I thonk they mean that they grew to be giants


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Judah's Daughter 15 months ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hello lydia! I tend to agree - that the children were able to be born through women, but grew to be giants -- we have "giants" today that were born of ordinary sized women. Something in their genetic makeup...

Great to hear from you! God bless.


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Kristen Howe 9 months ago from Northeast Ohio

Judah, this was real interesting to read and know about them. What an odd religious myth from the Bible. Thanks for sharing this hub!

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