The Rapture.

Is It True.

Some people do not believe that the Rapture will take place before Armageddon because the word Rapture has not been seen in the Bible. What people need to understand however, is that the bible has been translated from a few different languages. The word Rapture comes from a Latin word " Rapturo" which, is a translation from a greek word, which means " Caught". For many years people have predicted when Armageddon will come, but none of them have been correct. Even Jesus did not know know when the end of times would take place. Only God knows.

However, there are many amazing passages in the bible that do tell us the Rapture will take place.

2 Thessalonians 2:17 For the mystery of the lawlessness is already is already at work, he who restrains to do so until, will be taken out of the way. This means that people who love God and have thanked Him for the Crucifixion of Jesus will be taken off the earth before Armageddon.

Corinthians 15:51-52 Behold I show you a mystery we shall not be asleep, but we shall all be changed in a moment in a twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet the dead shall be raised and we shall be changed. This also means the Rapture is true, because why just describe the living? In Revelation, 20:12 We are told that the dead had been taken from the sea. So, the earth cannot keep anything away from God.

1 Thessalonians 16-17 For the Lord Himself will descend from Heaven with a shout with the voice of the Archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we always be with the Lord.

There are books in the Old Testament and the New Testament that prophets tell us about the Rapture. So while some people do not believe in the Rapture simply because the word does not appear in the bible, It must be true, because it have been told to us over and over.



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Brandon Spaulding 4 years ago from Yahoo, Contributor

There are so many different interpretations on the rapture. I don't think anyone can accurately explain the book of Revelations. I think this book is useful for people today. However, I also think it's purpose is also for people who are in the last days or left behind after the rapture. It will be a book people can use to help identify the things that happen in the book when they actually happen. This will be used to help people understand that the Bible is real and is actually happening. It will help lead many people to Christ in the last days and after the rapture.


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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK

I no longer believe in the Rapture! My Hub on the Doctrine may be of interest to you.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Brandone, thank you for your comment. I do believe it will help people after the rapture, that is very important. God would love the bible to save as many souls as possible


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you for your comment searchinsany, but instead of asking people to read your hub, could you explain your comment here please?


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mio cid 4 years ago from Uruguay

did you follow the whole harold camping fiasco last year?


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

mid actually I do not remember that. I had my brain surgery last year and forgot many things. They had to take part of my temporal lobe, which contains memory. I wish I did remember that. I can look it up though.


Pat Nichols 4 years ago

I believe the "rapture" which is called the "translation" of the Church is already happening and taking place and soon will be over.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Pat Nichils I guess we find out then, but there are things going on that have been worse then ever. The earth is becoming a very frighting place to be right now.


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mio cid 4 years ago from Uruguay

Harold Camping and his family radio network and his ministry had a pretty big campaign las year announcing the rapture for april 21 then that didn't happen so he changed it to october 21 then that failed and he retired.in disgrace i might add but apparently he raked in tons of cash.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Mid so I guess he just got rich. I wonder what will happen now when the Rapture really does take place.


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JamesPoppell 4 years ago

This is a great hub Michele. The rapture will take place. That is all we were meant to know. I chuckle at people who over think the Bible or seem to think they are smarter than our creator. This is a vote up. Thanks for sharing.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you for your comment JamesPoppell. I do wish more people would know, but they don't and they don't want to know. But, it is a choice. Thank you again for your comment and God bless you.


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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK

Michele

Sorry, my intention was not to offend.

In my comment I said my Hub may be of interest to you, I didn't ask people to read it.

A lengthy explanation or a link in your comments section would have been inappropriate.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you, I understand now why you put it into your comments. I do need to learn more about Jesus and God.

God bless you


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teaches12345 4 years ago

You give us some really good arguments on the rapture. I am leaning towards your presentation. I have heard so many different views on the rapture and many believe it will not happen before the Anti-Christ reign. Whether or not it does, we still must remain focused and know that God has a plan for us and will keep us through the chaos.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

@ teaches12345 I agree with you, you gave us a wonderful comment. I pray that we can all be together and therefore we can still remain focused. God bless you.


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LauraD093 4 years ago from Pittsburgh PA

Michele-great Hub I wish I could say in such few words what you do! Pow! Reading my Hubs at times can be like going to Granny's house over the river and through the woods--lol reading your hubs sometimes are like getting into a 57 chevy flooring it and taking the short-cut to Granny's house! I really like how you write! You always at least get me thinking. Voted Up.


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Drtruthman 4 years ago from Harlingen, Texas

As usual, great Hub Michele. The Apocalypse,Revelation to the Church by John; sometimes called the "translation" of the church and part of what we as theologians call the study of "eschatology" or last things is simply far too immense to be dealt with here. However there are at least 3 points most Christian theologians accept: 1)Jesus is coming back for His church, 2)the church (believers in Christ Jesus)will be "gathered or caught up" with Him in the air and 3) Believers will reign with Christ on Earth for 1,000 years. The theological interpretations break down from there e.g. what ORDER all of that will happen in. Michele you are doing a great job here on the Hub. As to the memory thing, well you know that is part of the epilepsy thing, even without surgery,we all lose a little memory following each seizure. Thank God the meds help to restore some of it. God bless you. I voted UP all across except funny.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

@ LauraD Thank you, no your hubs are great! I need to comment more on them. Oh, and thank your for your comment.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

@ Dr. Truth, thanks again for your comment. You know a lot more then I do on this one. But, as you know I can learn a lot from you. God bless you.


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liftandsoar 4 years ago from Richmond, VA

Michele, I just came across your hub. I'm intrested in all things Revelation. Thanks for tackling a subject that many avoid or abuse. To the three points made by Dr.Truth above. Yes, all true Christians look forward to the Savior's return. The second two points he makes are held by many but are relatively new postions in the history of Christianity. They are associated with 19th century theologian J.N. Darby.

A sizeable body of opinion holds that meeting the Lord in the air (I Thess) is not a rapture away from this earth altogether, but rather we meet him to immediately return to a reconstituted New Heavens and New Earth. The 1000 years is a symbolic period of time representing the period between the 1st and 2nd comings of Jesus.

I have several hubs on Revelation. I'd enjoy your take on them.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

@liftand if you do not mind I will email( if it is ok with you and we can do that through hubbpabes) because it would take too long on a hub to talk a lot on Revalation. I would like to read your hubs first however. I also, have several things about Revelation and life after Revelation that I would like to email about. Your comment is very interesting.

Thank you


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liftandsoar 4 years ago from Richmond, VA

I am happy to respond to anything you send me. We shall learn together.


Lone Ranger 4 years ago

Dear Michelle:

Searchinsany has done a remarkable Hub on the "rapture" and I think you will be blessed if you read it. It is titled, "The Rapture: Dispensationalism's Candy Stick".

Please know that I consider you to be a very thoughtful writer and I think you are one of the sweetest things around - and that is saying a lot with Valentine's Day right around the corner! :0)

Just so you know I have read Searchinsany's brilliant Hub on the rapture and I am going to post my response to that Hub below, if you don't mind.

So, here goes nothing...

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" I, for one, believe the rapture to be nothing more than religious escapism and cotton-candy theology.

Furthermore, I believe the church, as a whole, has become accustomed to prosperity and easy living and as a result the prospects of potentially facing poverty and persecution is not something they want to contemplate, therefore the idea of a "rapture" fits in nicely with their theology.

With very few exceptions has the Almighty ever denied His servants an opportunity to show their metal by denying them the glorious opportunity to receive the "crown of life", by being faithful unto death.

If James, Peter, Paul, Polycarp, not to mention the Only Begotten Son of God, Christ Yeshua, were not spared by our Heavenly Father when confronted with torture and execution, how could believers come under the delusion that they somehow would escape this end? Do they not know that "Blessed in the eyes of the Lord is the death of His saints"?

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So, as you see, I do not believe in the rapture on Biblical grounds or on philosophical grounds. I think there is solid historical evidence that points in the direction that the believers in and around Jerusalem nearing 70 A.D., were being led to safety through the warnings found in the Book of Revelation and this warning was meant for them...not for us.

The Book of Revelation had a very practical and urgent message for the early Christians of that day, but it is only of historical value to us 2,000 years later.

Please keep in mind that it was written for a particular audience at a particular time, but was never meant to give a false hope or false message to Christian readers 10,000 miles away and 2,000 years later. Context, context, context.

By the way...may I be the first to wish you a happy Valentine's Day?! :0)

Best wishes and be well - L.R.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

@liftandsoar that is a great idea. Thank you very much.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Happy Valentine's day to you to L.R. :0) There are many things in the book of Revelation people do not agree with or understand. The Rapture is only one of them. Do you go to Paradise or Heaven? Who are the 144,000? The dead come out of the sea. If the dead come out of the sea why did they not go to heaven. Some come from hell to face God. Some have been asleep. Asleep or in heaven? Ok and a lot more.

Like Chapter 9:5 They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them. ( not writing the whole verse)

9:6 During those days men will seek death, but it will elude them. So, the pain and torture will be very, very bad for those how will not follow the beast.

Best wishes to you also, and hope you be well also- M.T. :)


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

@L.R Searchinsany does have wonderful hubs and am following them. Which is a good thing. I need to learn a lot.

Thank you again (:


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Drtruthman 4 years ago from Harlingen, Texas

My dear sister, you should see the disagreement on this subject even in a Seminary class. UNBELIEVABLE. This is one of those topics which Christians have disagreed on since the first century. Jesus' disciples thought Jesus was coming right back just like he did following the transfiguration and the resurrection so why would the ascension be any different and don't forget Peter thought Jesus was setting up the kingdom with an army on the entrance to Jerusalem. As to the gentleman's comment on Darby, well he is correct as to Darby's theological interpretation and application but there were others far before Darby's time who viewed the return of Christ in the same manner as Darby. And if the 1000 year reign is an analogy, then I assume by that individuals' understanding that the Bible is not literal but only figurative allowing for the ten commandments to be suggestions and not absolutes. Just a thought. You do know how to get people's interest. Great job.


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liftandsoar 4 years ago from Richmond, VA

I trust it is possible among God's people to disagree without breaking the bond of peace given by the Spirit. To say that there are figures of speech in Scripture is not to deny their inspiration or their truthfulness. When Jesus called himself "the gate" he was using a figure of speech. I don't know of anyone who would take his words to mean that he is in fact a literal gate. Again the Savior is pictured with a sword coming from his mouth in Revelation 1. Would drtruthman hold that to be a literal description of Jesus? The Scriptures are pretty clear where they are to be taken literally and where they describe truth in figurative language. The ten commandments are a straightforward expression of God's will but does anyone believe that they were written with the "finger of God." Is not God a Spirit? Revelation is a kind of literature that makes generous us of figures of speech and symbolism. To say that the 1000 years is a symbolic representation is not to deny the truth or inspiration of Revelation at all.


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Drtruthman 4 years ago from Harlingen, Texas

Well there is so much that could be said here but I won't in respect for Michele and the fact that this discussion is going no where. I love the statement, "I trust it is possible among God's people to disagree without breaking the bond of peace given by the Spirit." Really? Then why not leave it at that?

As I said in my last comment, everyone has a thought. I think we are all in for a big surprise. I have said all I will say on this topic. Blessings on all who look to His return and pray "come quickly Lord Jesus".


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

@ Dr.thruthman you are very correct on people disagreement on Revelation. Well even a lot of what is written in the bible. However, I have been doing some research in archiology which is amazing. I am going to do some more hubs on the truth of the bible and archiology


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Drtruthman 4 years ago from Harlingen, Texas

Sounds good Michele. Have fun. Writing must be fun. I for one, have decided following my completion of the 30 day challenge, I will probably spend my time more on other sites which are more prosperous financially. I will continue to write here, just not as much and I will read everything you write. Lee


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Well the one thing that got me interested was the discovery of the city of Dan. It was written about in the Bible. Then just a ago, it was found by archiologists. The name of the place the found was written " City of Dan" My father who was also very interested in the bible and archiology loved that finding. And by the way, his name was Daniel, but everyone called him Dan. Kind of neat.


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Prophet4Today 4 years ago from Ewa Beach, Hawaii

Can I toss in my two cents here?

If you agree that God and Jesus use the analogy of a Jewish wedding ceremony as a type of Christ and His church. Then what happens when Jesus promises His bride (The Church) that in His Father's house there are many mansions and I go to prepare a place for you. The bride is supposed to expect the grooms immanent return.

If there is no rapture then we would have to add; I go to prepare a place for you, but before I return and get you, My Father is going to beat the crap out of you.

Doesn't quite fit the analogy does it? The Tribulation is God's redemption of the Kingdom from Satan the usurper and for His Son. Kind of a nice wedding present don't you think? Sadly, God will be refining His beloved (Israel and the Jews) through the fire of tribulation, in order that His son can reign over them on David's throne.

Check out my Hub on prophecy and understand that the rapture occurs in type in the Old Testament. In the flood of Noah there are those who perish, those who are saved through the flood, and Enoch who is caught up to heaven just prior to the flood.

In Daniel and the fiery furnace there are the guards who perish, the three friends (As a type of Israel) who are saved through the fire, and Daniel who is strangely missing.

In the fall of Jericho there are those who perish, those who are saved through the event, and those who are taken out prior to the event.

Seems to be a reoccurring theme with God, so why would we think he would change. Oh yeah, He doesn't change.


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liftandsoar 4 years ago from Richmond, VA

Prophet4Today, you make several good points but none prove that there is a rapture defined as calling God's people away from the world so that they may escape a tribulation while others remain (the Jews) to be refined. There are indeed types in Scripture which are very useful for undestanding it's one overarching message of redemption. An example would be the serpent in the wilderness being a type of Jesus on the cross. However types can also attract some fanciful interpretation never intended by their Author.

There's no doubt that on the Day of the Lord there will be a separation of God's people from the world in general. We can agree on that. However its something far simpler and far more magnificent than dispensationalism recognizes. Yes God's people are caught up in the air to meet their Lord. They don't stay with Him forever in the air but return with him to conquer all His and our enemies. We fall in behind our conquering Lord to become "the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, following him on white horses." (Rev.19:14) That they are arrayed in fine linen (a type of Christ's righteousness with which believing sinners are clothed) shows that this army is not made up of angels but of the redeemed.

Of course in the instant in which all this happens God will have judged and condemned the wicked and recreated our old world into the New Heavens and the New Earth. No 7 or 3 1/2 year tribulation, no 1000 years in which Gentile and Jewish believers are separated.

I do believe that as the day approaches in which our Lord returns there will be increasing hostility toward God's people. Indeed that could be called a tribulation but it has already lasted longer than 7 years. We do well to prepare God's people to stand firm empowered by the Spriit and confidently expecting our Savior's return in power and glory. It is giving them a cruel and false hope to assure them of being raptured out of any tribulation.

What about the Jews? As hostility increases toward Christians there will be a dramatic conversion of so many Jews to the Savior that it will be as if "all Israel is saved" as Paul teaches in Romans. Jewish Christians become part of the Body of Christ, the church. They don't remain a separate group. Christ does not have two brides. In fact, it will be Jewish Christians who will be in the leadership among God's people.

And so Zechariah's words will be fulfilled: "Thus says the Lord of hosts: In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue shall take hold of the robe of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’” (8:23)


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Prophet4Today 4 years ago from Ewa Beach, Hawaii

Liftandsoar

Very good dissertation. I gather from it you are of the mid or post tribulation persuasion and thats cool. So long as we believe and are saved we will one day participate in the establishment of Christ's Kingdom and on that day it will all make sense.

I like to joke that I am Pan-tribulation in my approach as the one thing we can all agree on regarding the tribulation is that it will all PAN out the way God intends.

I would recommend a close study of the Jewish wedding tradition which is established by God and used consistently in the bible as an analogy to Christ and His Church. If Jesus is the groom, the church His bride, then the wedding party are those left in the world. (Jews and the world) After the groom is done preparing a place in His Father's house He returns for His bride at an undetermined time. Tradition had this happen in the middle of the night. With a shout the bride is swept up into the wedding day with the other party goers, but then a strange thing happens. The bride and groom go off for seven days alone (chupah) to consummate the marriage while the party goes on without them. After the seven days they come out and join the party.

Again, God uses analogies, types, models, etc. consistently to make His points.

One of my sources is; http://www.laydownlife.net/yedidah/AncientJewishWe...


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liftandsoar 4 years ago from Richmond, VA

Prophet4Today, you're singing my song with regard to the church being the Bride of Christ. I hadn't drawn any eschatological conclusions from that though. I'll read you link. As for the tribution, yes I guess I'm post in the sense that I expect what tribulation we experience today will increase until the return of Christ in glory.


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Ms Dee 4 years ago from Texas, USA

Your hub brings out some key points! Interesting discussion to read through, as well. I believe Scripture makes clear there will be a rapture and agree it gets tricky to see what it says about when this will take place. Coupled with the numerous teachings about when it will be, it really makes this foggy to discern. I believe the book of Revelation and the prophets in the Old Testament make it possible for us to know enough so that Christ's second coming will not take us by surprise, like a thief in the night. He will come like a thief, though, to the wicked/unbelievers. So, I've been studying these prophesies for several years now and am just beginning to write about my conclusions on HubPages, also while I teach this to my Sunday School class. I look forward to reading more of yours, Michele, and those of others of your HP followers.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you ms Dee You and I agree a lot. The Sunday School Class you teach is blessed to have such a good teacher. I am going to read your hubs also, there is still a lot for me to learn


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Drtruthman 4 years ago from Harlingen, Texas

"Prophetfortoday", NO offense, but how about some credentials like most other Hubbers on here. You seem to be knowledgeable and even footnote which is commendable, but your background would certainly be nice to know. I think you might also gain allot more following and credibility as well. As I said, no offense, just a thought.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Dr.truthman. Thank you for your comment. You have a vast and true information about the bible which is why I follow you. I know this is not a rude comment. Thank you very much for your comment for not being rude.


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Prophet4Today 4 years ago from Ewa Beach, Hawaii

Dr Truthman

Point taken and thanks for the advice. I am new to Hub pages and facebook has me leery of divulging personal info. But I will work on updating my bio.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

Dear Michelle:

Knowing that millions of Christians have died over the years for their faith, as well as all the disciples and apostles, not to mention the Son of God, what leads you to believe the Christians of this day will be spared and for what purpose?


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Prophet4Today 4 years ago from Ewa Beach, Hawaii

CJ Sledgehammer

I believe the answer to your question can be found in the difference between the trials and tribulations that Jesus promised to all those who would believe on His name, and the "Great Tribulation" He prophesied about to His close followers in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. I also believe that The Great Tribulation is a time of redemption of the kingdom of this world away from Satan the usurper and back to the rightful heir, God's Son. As believers we have already been redeemed by faith in God's Son, so what is the purpose of us going through this redeeming process at the end of days? Let me put it one last way; The bride of Christ has been redeemed by Jesus and is persecuted by the world as a result. The Son will return for His bride and then the Father will redeem the world through fire and Great Tribulation, then return the kingdom back to His Son as a wedding present.

Yours is a fair question, but that is my explanation for why I see believer's spared. In the end it has little to do with the believers themselves, and more to do with who the Father and the Son are.


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Drtruthman 4 years ago from Harlingen, Texas

Prophet4Today glad my comment was taken in the spirit it was given. You are a good writer even if we might not agree on everything.I just thought you might appear a little more creditable giving some credentials. Its a tough one to call I know with ID theft. But trust me if they want it they'll get it anyway. Mine was stolen 30 years ago long before the web. Glad you changed the Pic also. I used to use a caricature over on another sight and had lots of negative comments until I put up a photo so thought I'd just pass along some thoughts. No one on here usually EVER agrees on everything but when everything is up front it seems everyone gets along better and even disagreements are civil. Anyway, welcome to the Hub.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Dear CJ Sledgehammer, I don't know for sure, that is why I write hubs. I need to hear more information, which is what other people give me. Others help me learn more. I hope that is an answer that makes sense.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

Prophet4today:

Thank you for your response. You said:

"As believers we have already been redeemed by faith in God's Son, so what is the purpose of us going through this redeeming process at the end of days?"

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Exactly, that is why I believe the "Second Coming" already occurred. How many times did Christ have to say that He was "coming soon"?! How many times did Paul say things like, "The axe is at the foot of the tree", the "Hour is at hand", "The end is near", et cetera.

To tell one's followers that their Master would be "coming soon" and then don't show for 2,000 years, would, in my mind, be a grotesque lie and should also be considered cruel and unusual punishment.

To lie and distort the truth are qualities that Christ does not possess, so it is apparent that Christ already returned, but perhaps in a way that is different from our religious conditioning and Biblical understanding.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

Michele:

I think it would be virtually impossible to dislike you. You have such a winning personality and pleasant disposition that liking you comes easy.

By the way, Happy Valentine's Day!


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you c J Sledghammer, and Happy Valentine's day to you also.


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Prophet4Today 4 years ago from Ewa Beach, Hawaii

CJ Sledgehammer

Thanks for the reply.

I can't get behind the idea that Jesus' second coming has already happened. When Paul talks about Him coming he uses the term quickly, tachy, also implies suddenly. I can't find a reference of "soon" when it refers to Jesus' return. What verses are you referencing so I can look them up?

Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for [that Day will not come] unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 NKJV)

Paul dealt with this very issue when he wrote to the Thessalonians' church.

I would love to further develop this topic in a Hub article, but it would take some time to get it down on paper and do it the justice God would have me give it. There are so many topics competing for my attention and so little time. I will pray about this.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

I will also pray for you to develop this topic well. Remember in the bible it says the earth was created in six days and God rested on the Seventh. When we are talking about time, does it matter whose time we are talking about? God's time or our time?


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Prophet4Today 4 years ago from Ewa Beach, Hawaii

Michele

Thank you for the encouraging words. As far as time goes, whether the days of creation where literal or ages, God told the Nation of Israel to work for six days and rest on the seventh. God then ties this into His six days of creation so He seems to want us to understand them as six actual days. God deals with us in real time though He is not subject to or restrained by time. Ultimately time doesn't effect our salvation, unless we run out of it.

God Bless.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

Prophet4today wrote:

"When Paul talks about Him coming he uses the term quickly, tachy, also implies suddenly. I can't find a reference of "soon" when it refers to Jesus' return. What verses are you referencing so I can look them up?

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The referrences of a quick return in the New Testament are numerous.

If one were to skip over everything else and head straight to the Book of Revelation, one would read in chapter 1 verses 1-3: (Capitalized words are introduced by C.J. Sledgehammer for dramatic effect)

(1)The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show His servants what MUST SOON TAKE PLACE. He made it known by sending His angel to his servant John,

(2)who testifies to everything he saw - that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

(3)Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, BECAUSE THE TIME IS NEAR."

So, right off the bat, a short duration of time before the "Second Coming" of Christ is spoken of twice within the first 3 verses.

Then skipping all the way to the final chapter of Revelation we read in chapter 22:6 "The angel said to me, 'These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent His angel to show His servants the things that MUST SOON TAKE PLACE.'"

Then again, we read in Revelation 22:7 "Behold, I AM COMING SOON! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy in this book."

Revelation 22:10 "Then he told me, 'Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, because THE TIME IS NEAR.'"

In addition, we read the words of Christ in Revelation 22:12 "Behold, I AM COMING SOON! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."

Moreover, Revelation 22:20 states "He who testifies to these things says, 'YES, I AM COMING SOON.'"

Unless one believes Christ is a liar or does not understand the concept of time, then one must take His words at face value and believe them.

You also noted "Let no one deceive you by any means; for [that Day will not come] unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed,"

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Indeed. But, I maintain that the man of sin was revealed to the Jewish Christians in and around A.D. 70.

And please do not be deceived: About 2 million people starved to death, were murdered by gangs, commited suicide, or were killed by the Roman legions encamped around Jerusalem during 3.5 years of the great tribulation of Jerusalem from 67-70 A.D.

If one wants to talk about great persecution and tribulation, look no further than Jerusalem itself. Mothers were eating their children and gangs of people were ripping other's stomachs open just to eat the food inside. And there was a great falling away, false prophets, rampant persecution, not to mention the "abomination of desolation" mentioned in Luke 21:20.

The military commander and historian, Josephus, had much to say about what happened there, because he was there and lived to talk about it.

If you have the chance, please read "The Jewish War" by Josephus...it will change your entire outlook and the New Testament will suddenly come to life.

We have been so far removed from those dark days in time and space, that we have lost our bearing. We need context and the only way to gain context is by revisiting the days of old.

In most cases, Scripture was written for practical purposes as a primary cause and as a historical record as a secondary cause. For the most part, Scripture was written for a particular people, at a particular time, and for a particular reason. We error when the application of Scripture is taken out of context. And our error in judgement is directly proportionate to our assumptive leaps. And, in the church today, those assumptive leaps are many.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

What about New Living Translation (©2007)in the book of Matthew 24:14

And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations will hear it; and then the end will come. How long has it taken for eveyone in the world, even those in very remote locations to hear the word of God?


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

Dear Michele:

The gospel has already been preached throughout the world.

Please read what the Apostle Paul wrote in Colossians 1:23 "if indeed you remain grounded and steadfast in the faith, and are not shifted away from the hope of the gospel that you heard. This gospel has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and I, Paul, have become a minister of it."

Please keep in mind that when the Bible refers to "all nations" or the "earth", 95% of the time it's referring to Israel specifically and not to the world at large.

Moreover, please see the above verse as more proof that the "once saved...always saved" doctrine is wrong.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

In Genesis God Created the entire earth. So, if the word had to spread to the entire earth, I belive that to be true. That is just what I feel to be the truth. That is just what I belive nothing more nothing less.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

Dear Michele:

You are right to say that God created the whole earth. This is one of the exceptions I eluded to from the above post.

Moreover, please keep in mind that in John 1:1 we read, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Then in verse 10 we read, "He was in the world, and the world was created through Him, yet the world did not recognize Him."

So, was Jesus in Paris or London? No, He came to the nation of Israel, specifically to Judea, and He was not even accepted by His own people.

But, let us be careful with the issue of context. When Paul said that the gospel would be preached throughout the earth, he didn't mean he was going to Madagascar or the Virgin Islands, he was referring to the nation of Israel...home of the twelve tribes.

Jesus, Himself, never left the nation of Israel during His ministry on Planet Earth. Please understand that Israel was the focal point for most of the Bible. Context, context, context.


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Ms Dee 4 years ago from Texas, USA

Michele, my understanding is the same as yours. The apostle Paul was sent by Jesus to the gentiles, the non-Jews. Christ's gospel is meant for the entire world, Jew and non-Jew alike. He explains all this in the latter half of the book of Romans. Also, when we look at the Old Testament, we see that "all nations" refers to Israel *and* all other nations.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Ms. Dee I completely agree with you. As you said, Nations all nations refer to Israel and all other nations.


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Prophet4Today 4 years ago from Ewa Beach, Hawaii

Michele

I really wasn't looking to get back into this thread but;

1st point. The Gospel has been preached in the whole world so why can't God be taken at His word when Jesus said it would be preached to the whole world prior to His return?

2nd. I always find it best to take God at His word and to take His word seriously, otherwise you risk analogizing or allegorizing Him out of all the relevance He is due.

Paul said, "For what [is] our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? [Is it] not even you in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at His coming?" (1 Thessalonians 2:19)

Also; "looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ," (Titus 2:13)

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise firstThen we who are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.Therefore comfort one another with these words. (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18)

I find it hard to believe that the world missed this event or History failed to record it when it happened.

Notice in Pauls writings what is our hope, our joy, and our comfort? It is Christ at His coming, His glorious appearing, and our gathering together with Him. To say that this has already occurred and we somehow missed out on it is to steal all hope, joy, and the sense of expectation we are supposed to have. This would constitute the most inconsistent and horrible trick God has ever pulled on humankind and would be a denial of His nature. But some will ask, "what about all the good christians who have gone before?" If I am to die prior to the LORD's return as has that cloud of witnesses who have gone before, then I will die in the hope that I will yet rise and join those still living, maybe my kids or grandkids, and be with the LORD just as Paul promises.

But I can still hope that He returns before I die as well.

God Bless


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

God Bless you also.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

Dear Michele:

I know this is a tough subject to figure out and I know you and every other Christian has the best intentions. We are, however, at a severe disadvantage in some ways: Living 10,000 miles away from the action and anywhere from 2,000 to 4,000 years into the future, places us on a vantage point with diminutive vision.

I remember anguishing over this issue for years and having troubles sleeping because it bothered me so. My problem was that I read the Bible, but it seemed to be telling me something different than what the preachers were saying.

I was tortured. If Jesus promised the first-century Christians that He would be "Coming soon", why has it been 2,000 years now, and we still haven't seen hide nor hair of our Savior?

So, one day after many months of prayer and study, I remember engaging in a philosophical and Biblical discussion with my sons and a thought came to mind: "If Jesus already came back, who would have told us?"

So, I got to thinking: Even if people knew that something monumental had taken place and had witnessed these events themselves, would they have understood what was going on? Who would they have told and how would they have described the event? Would they have written it down or passed it on by oral tradition?

If they did write it down, could it have been lost or destroyed, as the years passed? And, then again, if these events were handed down over time via oral tradition, would hundreds of years temper the desire of future generations to continue telling the tale, until it fell into obscurity and was thus forgotten?

Luckily there was a Jewish commander and priest by the name of Josephus. He had been fighting against the Roman invasion (Luke 21:20) until he was captured by them. He was in Jerusalem during the time of its fall and he described miraculous and incredible signs and wonders that were seen in the skies, around Jerusalem, and in the Temple. He had no explanation for the things he witnessed and no one else could help him understand. He simply recorded these incredible events as he saw them unfold.

Please note that the following narrative is found in The Jewish War: Book 6; Chapter 5; sections 297-300 from which we read:

(297) "...on the one and twentieth day of the month Artemisius, a certain great and incredible phenomenon appeared: I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it,

(298) and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sunsetting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen

(299) running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities. Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner court of the temple, as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise,

(300) and after that they heard a great sound as of a great multitude, saying 'Let us remove from here.'"

There is much, much more to this incredible account and I believe the Almighty placed Josephus, a prolific writer and historian, in the perfect place and time, to record these events for the posterity of humanity.

It is important to note that he was a Jew, not a Christian, so he was unfamiliar with the conglomeration of writings that later became known as "The New Testament". He was a non-Christian writing about things that were hard for him to describe, let alone understand.

I think every Christian owes it to themselves and their personal ministries to arm themselves with knowledge and there is no better place to start than with the New Testament in conjunction with the works of Josephus.

I promise you that your understanding of the New Testament will blossom and the traditions, superstitions and assumptions that are so prevalent in main-stream Christianity today, will fade away under the light of true knowledge and understanding.

Best wishes to all - C.J. Sledgehammer


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you for your interesting comment C.J. but you have left out many things. What happens after the rapture is very important, such as the "Number of the beast which is 666" I have written another hub about that. The rise and fall of the beast, Armagedan. God, changing the world to Paradise. Those things that are in the bible.


isaiah5417 4 years ago

God rescued the Righteous (Noah, and his family! Lot, and his family) prior to his Judgment (Wrath) on those Left Behind. Just as us Saved Born Again (New Creatures) Rapture before the Tribulation (Wrath).

One taken (Rapture) the other (Left Behind in Tribulation). Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Hebrews 13:8

Isaiah 26:20-21

(Rapture)

Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee hide thyself as it were for a little moment until the indignation be overpast.

(Tribulation)

For, behold, the LORD cometh out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity, the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

The Bride of Christ

Revelation 3:10

Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee (from, Greek, ek- out of) The (hour, Greek, hora- season) of (temptation, Greek, peirasmos- adversity or tribulation) which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

The word (From) in Greek is as “out of” (Greek word, ek) Strong’s Number: 1537 out of, away from.

Saved Now, and From (out of) The Tribulation.

2 Thessalonians 3:3

But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and (keep you (from) evil. AMEN.

Psalm 121:7-8

The LORD shall preserve (thee (from) all) evil: he shall preserve thy soul. The LORD shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in from this time forth, and even for evermore. AMEN.

2 Timothy 4:18

And (the Lord shall deliver me (from) every) evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. AMEN.

King Jesus Christ promises to keep us “from” or as the Greek word reads, “out of” the season of tribulation that is about to come upon the whole world to try all those that are left behind to dwell upon the earth

Reference:

Delivered, Translated, Raptured us

http://www.raptureprophecy.net/delivered-translate...

As The Days of Noah- The Open DOOR Rapture

http://www.raptureprophecy.net/noahs-ark-as-the-da...

Kind Regards,


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you so much isaiah5417 you know the words of the bible so well. Your comment is a true one.

God bless you.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you doctorulna, one of the things I pray is for God to teach me more and lead me down the path He wants me to follow. Both of these have come true. I have learned so much, it is amazing. But so is God. I love Him, and He love us. So, now instead of doubting the rapture, I believe it is true. Thank you so much for your comment.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

Dear Michelle:

The "rapture", as it is referred to today, is sheer fantasy. The early Jewish Christians were given a stern warning to flee into the mountains of Pella to the east when the abomination of desolation took place (A.D. 66) as described in Luke 21:20.

This warning was given to save the fledgling Christian church of the first century...not a church that has spread over the entire globe and is filled with hundreds of millions of people world-wide. Context, context, context.

The maninstream Christian church of today is filled with cotton-candy theology and has placed its faith in prosperity preaching, pagan rituals, superstitions, and has centered its belief system more on religious escapism (rapture) than in Christ's actual words and promises.

Best wishes and be well - C.J. Sledehammer


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

doctorulna The company that completed the website is named FatCow. There are things that are not working. No one can create blogs. No emails come to me if anyone joins or tries to create a forum. I paid over $1,000 to have them create the website and have no more money. They want me to pay them to look at the problems with the website to see it "they can fix the problems". If they cannot, then sorry. They have tried to fix them before, but have been unable.

My problem is I am on disability due to epilepsy. That is getting better due to the brain surgery. That was two years ago at the Cleveland Clinic. It cost %250,000. Since it was not in my disabilities hospital coverage plan, they did not cover all of it. So, I am also paying bankruptcy.

I can't afford to have the website fixed, but the positive thing that is happening right now, is that since it has been two years since the surgery, and my epileptic condition has improved so much, I have been accepted into the Ticket To Work Program.

Back to the website, Don't use FatCow. They are not a very good website building program. I tried to fix problems myself, but was unable to. They built the website, but did not fix broken parts of the website. Well unless I pay them to find out what is broken ( which I already did) and see if they can fix them.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

CJ I do understand what you are writing, and appreciate you and your comments very much```

In Revelation 3:10 Because you have kept the word about my endurance, I will also keep from you the hour of endurance. I will also keep from you the test which is to come upon the whole inhabited earth.

There is a difference between what happened in 66 ACE and the true rapture. in ACE 66. If you want to see a difference look at the Mark Of The Beast. Was it forced upon them in 66 ACE?. No. If you are interested at all in the Mark Of The Beast look up RFID Chip


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Hi doctorulna Well the entire world is under the control of the devil. We know this because of the time Jesus went into the wilderness for 40 days satin offered Him all of the kingdoms in all the world, if only Jesus would worship him. But, Jesus ordered satin to leave. So, there is evil in the world, but not completely. God will win over evil. God will send the devil and the beast and the followers into the lake of fire.

I plan to change the manager of the website, but that will take time. I do not have the money to do this yet, so it is "resting" When I am finished paying for bankruptcy, which will be about 20 more months, and I am working again then I will be able to afford to get the website up and working.

By the way the Ticket To Work program is allowing me to be a Registered Nurse again. My nursing license is Inactive. I need to take a certain amount of specific classes to make it become active, but that is fine. What God has done for me is amazing. I love God more ever single day.

The surgery involved having part of my left frontal lobe removed. If more had been removed, I would have been blind. Some of the lesions are still on my brain. So, I still take a lot of medications. One of them is called Topamax. I take 200mg twice per day. Another one is Lamical I take 200 mg twice a day. I also take Requip because I have legs shaking at night and Klonopin because I have small seizures when I sleep. So, I have not been cured, but because of the medicine the seizures are gone. All of this was prescribed at the Cleveland Clinic. Since that time I have done so well, I can go back to work

God has helped me so much it is wonderful!

Some of us are sick, but that is why God gave us doctors.


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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

There is no rapture. Christians are not going anywhere, except those that are in the grave will again come to the surface. There are so many scriptures telling us that the Christians will inherit the earth but so many believe the false story promoted by hireling pastors . The bible makes it clear that "as it was in the days of Noah" the unrighteous will be cast off and the righteous will remain . then later they and the earth will be transformed in the twinkling of an eye.

Not one of the above scriptures you used says what you claim it does.

You have drunk the kool aid of the false doctrine of the saints being removed.

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