The Rapture and Tribulation

Is it too late to turn back now?

Americans have been used and abused for so many years now and it just might be too late to turn back the clock, well we all really know it is and for many for some reason it is OK and they don’t worry about themselves or their families or friends or anyone. They will jump out to fight with anyone who really wants to protect anyone and everyone.

I have no idea when the information I have gathered was written but the latest date was 2006 so this being 2010 I would say things are much worse with very few even knowing all the facts. I had read some of this sort a couple of years ago and warned a friend of mine that worked around illegal immigrants and some legal also but who’s to know which are which since they can have papers made up of any type they want and our government knowing all I am about to say plus probably much we would not have dreamed of.

Not many people go to the Book of Revelation at the end of the New Testament to read and it is a very heavy book but people who say we are not meant to know just don’t want to try to tackle it. I recommend a study guide to help you in it and I loved Oliver Green who passed away many years ago. I find study guides just open your mind and spirit if you are Christian and if you are an educated adult you will not be brain washed and do not have to believe everything you read but it may lead you to what you really believe and men like this are not out to do you any harm.

My children were just toddlers when I watch the end of a show with Hal Lindsey and he was talking about tribulation. Well my husband nor I neither one had ever heard of it and we grabbed our bibles and followed him and yes, yes, it was there (children dashed to pieces before the parents eyes was the one that hit me hardest) and all these horrible things would happen and Hal informed us he would be back next week for more about it. I about went to pieces and of course I had to hide from my babies the shock and despair. I cried and prayed and talked to God and told Him that was what the bible said but I just could not believe He would bring this on me and my loved ones, no please. But I could read it was true. God loved me though, I knew He wouldn’t do that. Well if it was Him or satan, whoever, I was so distraught and confused. To make a long story short it was a very long week and I cried so much, knowing God would not do this, there had to be an answer.


The Rapture

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Rapture (translation)

Hal came on the next week and I heard of the rapture for the first time. Thank God, I knew He would not bring all those things on those that loved Him, even a disease so bad people would try to kill themselves but wouldn’t be able to. (Of course that could be a vaccine the government will come up with) Well probably many of you still even if Christians don’t know what I am talking about and many Christians even if they read don’t get into Revelation, but we did and this was our start of bible study together and most wonderful time of our marriage.

My understanding is tribulation will be for seven years. There are pre/mid/ and post tribulationists (those believing one of those three time frames when they believe the rapture is) and I would love to believe pre, (before) meaning Jesus will call us soon and save us from much that could happen and to me post means you went through it, so what good is that, although yes you are still going to heaven but I just know God will not put us through that with all my heart. God has never sent destruction on His. Not Job, not Noah and I am sure not us, although this does not guarantee there won't be much to overcome. I really believe in mid tribulation rapture because the anti-Christ would be revealed with the Church and Holy Spirit on earth (the bible says even the elect would be fooled by the anti-Christ if it were possible) and I believe as soon as we are taken up with the dead in Christ (Holy Spirit with us) the anti-Christ will go into the new temple of the Jews and claim to be Christ and that is the Jews sign to flee and I just feel it will all be at once.

One will be taken/the other one left

There are other scriptures where two men will be in the field one taken and one will be left; Math 24:40 another two divided; Luke 17: 26-37, some being in bed sleeping and some in the field shows different time zones; where this is not the Jew they will all be awake, the Son of man will be revealed to the Jew this day of destruction that are all fleeing. God won't be taking them but the Christian. Two may be together, the Christian taken the non-Christian left behind. Christians are all over the world. The bridegroom came and some were not watching, or ready lets say, so did not go, it really is simple. Jews with an earthly promise and ours a heavenly one. What an exciting time knowing you will soon be with Christ and all your loved ones! So down from the pulpit and back to the story..

Well, Hal got a little wild for me sometimes in his books like talking about UFO’s and I only laughed at that and he said he had no proof, he was not pushing it on anyone, just food for thought. (My husband went more for that than I did.) Now today what have we found, all these drawings and things you can only make out way above the earth before airplanes were even thought of, as far as we knew; all these things done and not one tool found, well... Many things leading to proof there was and probably is life elsewhere we do not know about but apparently our government has some ideas, well I think even Presidents aren’t allowed to get into that file but they just appointed someone to be head over that just in case. Actually we know they are keeping information of all that type hid from us. Then again what if it is satan and the rest of the fallen angels, these extraterrestrials? Hm. Well I don’t have any details on that but I found information that may be our beginning of the many diseases and wanted to share that with you. Even the Atheist would probably like to have this information.

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See no evil

Legal immigrants are made to have medical screening to make sure that they do not bring any contagious diseases into the United States. Illegal immigrants are not, of course, (why not?) and many are carrying dreadful third world diseases that we do not want. Many are highly contagious and will infect citizens that come in contact with an infected illegal immigrant. This has already happened in restaurants, schools, and police forces!

Did you know that? I surely didn't.

Malaria was wiped out from the US in the 1940s and just recently there were outbreaks in southern California, New Jersey, New York City, and Houston. Malaria tainted blood has been discovered in the blood supply, also!

Dengue came to be known in the 1950s, affects most Asian countries and has become a leading cause of death among children in those areas. Never known to be in the US, Dengue outbreaks have now started occurring in the United States!

Leprosy from Biblical days is caused by a bacillus agent; now known as Hansen's Disease. Forty years before 2002, there were only 900 total cases of leprosy in the US. In the following three years there have been 9000 get it and most were illegal immigrants.

It's creeping into the U.S. says Dr. William Levis, head of New York Hansen's Disease Clinic and is a real phenomenon. It's a public health threat. New York is endemic now, and nobody's noticed.

Hepatitis A-E is a viral infection that mostly attacks the liver. In 2004, more than 650 people got Hepatitis A at a single Chi-Chi's Mexican restaurant in Pennsylvania. Four latter died. Hepatitis B is one of the major diseases of mankind and is a serious global public health problem. It is estimated that 2 BILLION people are infected and about one million die each year. The new vaccine is only 95% effective in preventing an infection and will not cure a person already having Hepatitis B, resulting in lifelong infection, cirrhosis (scarring) of the liver, liver cancer, liver failure, and early death. About 1.3 million people in the US are of this writing infected. No vaccine is currently available to prevent Hepatitis C-E and treatment for chronic Hepatitis C costs about $1,500 per person.

TB kills about 2 million people each year, estimated between 2002 and 2020, approximately 1,000,000,000 people will be newly infected, over 150 million people will get sick, and 36 million will die. TB is a highly contagious disease. As the common cold, it spreads through the air. When infected people cough, sneeze, talk or spit, they spread out TB germs, known as bacilli. Every person with active TB will infect about 10 and 15 people every year.

The United States has one of the lowest rates of TB in the world. Mexico has ten times the rate of occurrence. One new strain is resistant to drugs. Treating a single case of MDR TB costs over $250,000 per person, with treatment about half of the patients with MDR-TB prematurely die.

Evidence of it has surfaced in 38 of 61 California health jurisdictions, and it could threaten the efficacy of TB control efforts. Infected ones were said to be four times as likely to die from the disease and twice as likely to transmit the disease to others. Not wanting to admit and label the infected as ‘illegal' or even ‘undocumented' aliens, the report notes that of the 407 known cases of MDR-TB, 84 percent were foreign-born patients, most from Mexico and the Philippines who'd been in the U.S. less than five years. The percentage of TB cases among the foreign-born jumped from 29 percent in 1993 to 53 as of last year.

Recently, there was an outbreak of TB in Oklahoma City in a hospital having an effect on thousands.

This is hoped to not be the new extensively drug-resistant XDR strain just being brought in by illegal aliens and which is currently impossible to cure at any cost! In any case, it would not be surprising to find that the source of the outbreak is an illegal alien working in the hospital or an infected resident worker who became infected through contact with an infected illegal alien since the TB rate for residents in the USA is very low.

Chagas Disease, widespread to South and Central America, is spread by infected triatomic bugs, known as the "kissing bugs," that bite people. Before unknown in the United States until fairly recently, is now thought that between 100,000 and 500,000 people in the US have it, mostly illegal immigrants. Since this disease is rather unknown outside of the illegal immigration community most doctors won't recognize it and the blood supply just started being screened for it. Most cases of it that occur in patients other than illegal immigrants are thought to be gotten from tainted blood sold by illegal aliens who had this before the blood supply started being tested for it as of August of 2006.

How many of illegal Mexican and Central American immigrants with HIV or AIDS is not known, mostly because researchers rarely ask about immigration status, but it is known that the rate of HIV infection among Latino women in California is about twice the rate of white women. At one free California health clinic, all of the women have HIV or AIDS. Most are Mexican or Central American "immigrants."

There is also Schistosomiasis, Whooping Cough, Guinea Worm, Cysticercosis, Morgellons and many more. All these diseases and pathogens, and a plethora of others that are not endemic to the US, are being brought in by non-screened illegal aliens who then spread them to an unsuspecting population. Are there illegal immigrants fixing your food in restaurants where you eat, using bathrooms you use, touching groceries in the stores…how many other ways can you think of? They are everywhere aren’t they?


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Another hidden incident - Workplace violence?

An outbreak of hepatitis traced to Chi-Chi's Mexican restaurant, in Pennsylvania was inexplicably traced to contaminated green onions, not the most obvious cause, undocumented food workers who harbored Hepatitis. For the most part, Hepatitis is a blood-borne, not a food-borne disease. The Hepatitis outbreak infected over 650 individuals, caused 9,000 Americans to undergo immune globulin shots, and killed 4 people!

They say if Americans found out restaurants can commonly infect their customers from food workers, it would be a serious blow to the restaurant industry, so better blame the green onions. So let’s say the onions, from Mexico, were contaminated from fecal material containing Hepatitis. Did all of the green onions imported from there end up in one single restaurant, with no other outbreaks of Hepatitis anywhere else from green onions? Thirteen were restaurant workers who had Hepatitis and likely the source of the transmitted infection. I for one have stopped eating in restaurants years ago and have not had flu or even a cold in all that time, but as I have written here at Hubpages before that I am a Howard Hughes. I also before knowing all this have made my friend be very cautious although I seriously doubt hand sanitizer would prevent contracting the most of these!

Unions resist mandatory Hepatitis screening and vaccination for food workers and as I have said in another hub even if they wear gloves, what have they touched with those gloves? I watched one day and I saw and that was my last time. I will eat bologna if it comes to that and even that may kill me eventually but I think it will take awhile and be much less painful.

There are many people who know this and know these people should not be around food and even my lettuces and greens I wash with weak soap water and rinse many times but can that kill these types of diseases? If we screen legal aliens for contagious diseases, why are we allowing non-screened and contagious illegal immigrants to roam the country infecting the whole country?! Working in restaurants and in grocery stores, well...anywhere?

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Aren't atheist surprised to see Prophesy fulfilled?

Well, everyone including the atheists better read the bible of things coming on this earth and I think I just gave you a small glimpse! I think we have our start and only the rapture will save us from the time it gets to be part of tribulation. I know Pat Robertson and many Christians do not believe in the rapture (I like Pat, you don't have to hate everyone you don't agree with on everything.) but I read that about not all will die but be changed in the twinkling of an eye and God gave me my answer years ago and he brings His people out of tribulation always as Noah and Lot. He may chastise us but He will not bring wrath upon his children He loves if they listen and obey...as Noah...as Lot. Why should we be different? (Since this writing Pat has come to believe I have heard!)

Be ready, it won’t be long. If it is tomorrow, the ones who’s souls are saved after Jesus calls us home won’t be part of the Church (the body of Christ) or Age of Grace, and will have to give their lives not taking the mark of the Beast to survive, selling your soul to him if you do. How do we know when the beginning of the seven year tribulation starts? Does it begin with a treaty signing? Does the bible give us that close of a clue? God has His limits too it seems of how much he will take of sin and destruction and things brought against His people and men in power trying to become Him. Which of course is still satan, never giving up. But we in Christ have no fear. This earth will never be destroyed as torn up as it may become but ours is a heavenly promise and we will reign and rule with Christ during the 1000 year Millennium. These are wonderful studies. These are wonderful truths.


A sound mind

I personally think the bible says there must come a falling away before the anti-Christ is revealed because I believe that means the Holy Spirit taken away with Christians but this is so close and so exciting I wonder why I spend time with anything else. I use all these people and their books to make my own decisions and I have no fear of being possessed or sold a lie when I have the Holy Spirit inside me for guidance and the bible for reference.

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eovery 5 years ago from MIddle of the Boondocks of Iowa

Interesting take.

Keep on hubbing!


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US Author

Thank you, I thought it was important to share.


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rasenstars1 5 years ago

Interesting hub. My husband has very verbally, and publically supported Arizona. I have remembered some illegals that that just used America without returning anything like trying to become legal, or even trying to learn english. He did not even care for his woman or child. All he cared about was what he could get out of America. And I have remembered just like this. I have also remembered my foster brother. He is in the military. He was at Iraq. He loves this country, and believes in her. He is a citizen. There is the diffrence people are looking for. Let people think of these two representatives.


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US Author

Everyone should support Arizona, they are going by the law but being over-ridden by our government, bad news is coming, there is no turning back. We have waited too long. Thanks for reading.


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Minnetonka Twin 5 years ago from Minnesota

Thanks Pollyanna for a heartfelt view of end times. I like what FriendofTruth said. God is here for us and will not abandon us. If we believe and see good and evil for what it is, we will be fine. God Bless :)


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US Author

I haven't looked at the video he suggested but I will never believe God would put us through the horror that will come upon this earth.


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FriendofTruth 5 years ago from Michigan

Hi Pollyannalana, I do believe through the studying of revelation and the many scriptures that deal with the end times that we will in fact face many hard times...But the judgment that will come upon the wicked of course is not for His children. The tribulation and the judgment are different events. We will experience the tribulation, but will not be a part of the judgment. I hope that makes sense.:-) It's sad to say, that right now many people, brothers and sisters in Christ, are facing persecutions for their faith in Jesus, it may come closer to home soon. But I hope that we will all be prepared in Him for what's to come...God bless you!


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FriendofTruth 5 years ago from Michigan

I Pollyannalana, the link that I gave is an address to a Pastor who did a very thorough study on the book of revelation and on the second coming. As you can see, the info is not available for free unforunately. You can delete my comments if you like, but I do not spam, sorry to have given you that impression...

My comment is still the same, we as Christians will go through tribulation - Matthew 24, but the judgment is for the wicked. If you'd like me to give more detailed scripture I can do that too.:-) I know that none of us would voluntarily want to go through tribulation which includes great persecution, but Jesus never said that we would be exempt from that. He indeed said that in the world we would have tribulation, but to be of good cheer for He overcame the world -John 16.33. And also remember what He went through for us to be able to be with Him forever, wouldn't we too not mind if we have to go through things for Him - even if it will be the tribulation?


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James A Watkins 5 years ago from Chicago

testing one two three


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US Author

Magic Man James! Hey, it's OK now, thanks!


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US Author

friendoftruth> My IP has not been allowed on here for two days(meaning I could not get to my own hubs!) so I did delete your link for books to sell and the smart remarks from another but of course you can disagree with me all you want and give your opinion all you want, so if you want to add back anything in the comment you had the ad in please do so..- the ad. I have been bonkers trying to get back to my own hubs but I copied and saved all I removed in case anyone wanted to change their story, lol. Christians surely can listen to each other and check out each others scriptures. I love bible discussions done in peace with no smart words. What could be better? Besides that there are some important facts here on disease that are spreading many need to be made aware of don't you think?


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FriendofTruth 5 years ago from Michigan

Hi Pollynannalana, I have the series on mp3 and was trying to upload the info to my hubs but I guess you can only do video streaming, so I was thinking about providing the information (scriptural support) to my belief sometime in the near future on a hub - I will keep you posted.

I do believe that there are many diseases being spread around the world, and it only proves that the end times are coming closer. I try not to let these events scare me, but I am not careless with my life or the lives of my family either. People do need to be aware of what's going on so that they are not living carelessly - we are not to tempt the Lord. Disease can come from anywhere, from anyone.

Ultimately, I truly believe that once we are saved, and followers of the Lord Jesus, that He can keep us and protect us from disease, He can heal us from disease, He can use doctors and medicine to help us, He is more than able...But I also believe that if for some reason I get a disease that I am not delivered from, and I die from it, then God allowed it to happen and I will be with Him after death here on earth. God bless :-)


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US Author

I would say I more or less agree with that, but I do think if I had a closer walk with God my faith would be stronger to believe for healing. You know the bible does say by His blood we are save, by His stripes we are healed and if we can believe Him for everlasting life why do we have so much trouble believing for healing? I am talking about myself here too. But I don't fear death and I am glad the time is drawing near to His calling away for the falling away. Just a little humor there for my meaning.

And may God bless you


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FriendofTruth 5 years ago from Michigan

I agree, sometimes I'll pray for healing if I get sick, and I have the faith that the Lord can heal me. And it takes days for me to get better, but I know that the Lord healed me, it just wasn't a miraculous instant healing; it was gradual. A lot of people will have the strongest faith for healing and will truly believe that the Lord can heal them and that it is His will for them to be healed - but they don't get healed, many of them even die, but having the faith that God could heal them. I do not think that it was their lack of faith that did not help them to be healed, but that rather for some reason, unknown to them or their family, they weren't healed. I do definitely agree with you, that it is God's will for us all to be healed; but perhaps for some that comes when we are made new?


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US Author

No I think it has to do with the Holy Spirit, which really measures our real closeness to Jesus. I went to a Holiness church with my cousin and aunt (her mother) as a child and my cousin sucked her thumb or a bottle while service went on although we were 5 or 6 but I really enjoyed those services. There was a power in that church I have never seen or felt anywhere else. They spoke in tongues, there were healings, and my aunt was never sick and lived to an old age but then she died of cancer so I was so shocked. I don't know, that's why I thought this would be fun, maybe someone will come along and give us more to think about. But you know where there is two together in His name, there is He also. Even that is worth some thought...

I have an interesting story about that. When my husband and his sister and a couple friends were real young they went to a tent meeting of a Holiness Church and he said they were in the back and you couldn't see anything but they felt that spirit waving through all those people toward them and they ducked under the tent and ran as fast as they could. I have always had to smile at that because I know what he is talking about. It scared them but they felt it moving toward them. It never scared me, I loved it but as an adult I have never been back to one of those churches, not even real sure exactly which it is. I don't like dead churches though but I guess I really don't know which is the best type church to go to and I think that will be important to God, shaping us into the type Christians we should be. Have you ever read about the churches in Revelation that he speaks to? He says what he doesn't like about them?


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fred allen 5 years ago from Myrtle Beach SC

Did you really not approve my comment after all the support I have given you?


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US Author

Well I don't see you there but I have never denied a friends comment, usually not even a foe unless they get too bad so I don't know what to say. Maybe it was another hub? What could you say I would deny? My IP was denied here for two days maybe something happened then. The very last thing I want to do is argue with anyone and most people I feel can give differing opinions without hate or stupidity, that is the only reasons I deny and not often even there when it shows their true colors. So I am sorry I just have no idea about it.


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fred allen 5 years ago from Myrtle Beach SC

What puzzled me most was the fact that I was in full agreement with you. I started to wonder "Why would she censor my comment when it was in support of her position?" I consider you a friend. I'm glad it was some technical glitch instead of a personal snub. Thanks for the explanation. You are as gracious as I believed!


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US Author

Well I would expect anyone to know me by my hubs and if you know James I am sure he could assure you I would not intentionally do that. I fear no one and I only delete people who go over the line in their hate and words against God or just try to ruin a hub, and as I have said I have stood up to some pretty scary guys and did not delete them so all I can say is I am sorry.


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Becky Puetz 5 years ago from Oklahoma

Thank you for sharing your personal thoughts and feelings about the Rapture and Tribulation. Good job on pointing out various facts stated in the Bible about the times ahead. God bless you.


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Thank you, with all the confusion I hope you still managed to get something from it.


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Make Money 5 years ago from Ontario

Nice hub Pollyannalana. The diseases you mentioned truly are scary. But you do realize that the first video that you posted titled "The Truth About The Rapture" says that Christians will live through the tribulation and there will not be a pre-trib rapture for Christians, but a rapture after the tribulation, don't you? Which I agree with. Also we are living in that spiritual millennium right now and have been since the death and resurrection of Our Lord, Jesus Christ. Jesus will not come for judgement and to get rid of the antichrist, then come again in another 1,000 years. He will just come the once for the judgement of the living and the dead. Also the Bible says the tribulation will be three and a half years, not seven years. Search the Bible for 'a thousand two hundred sixty days' (Revelation 11 & 12), 'two and forty months' (Revelation 11 & 13) and 'a time and times and half a time' (Daniel 7 & 12 plus Revelation 12). A thousand two hundred sixty days is 42 months or 3 1/2 years (1,260 divided by 30 = 42 months or 3 1/2 years). Daniel 12:11 also says 'a thousand two hundred ninety days' but Matthew 24:22 says 'And unless those days had been shortened, no flesh should be saved: but for the sake of the elect those days shall be shortened'. God bless

Mike


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US Author

It has been so long since I have been here I will have to take a look at that as soon as I have free time, thank you for pointing it out. God brought out Noah and Lot and He does not send wrath on His own. We are part of the body of Christ, the Church here in the Age of Grace and the anti-Christ would have been revealed if the Holy Spirit was still on earth. (Will find scripture for that later, just home from a busy day.) The first 3 and 1/2 years they will be saying peace, peace and I believe if I remember right from my bible study maybe that had to do with a peace agreement Israel signs with someone but midway is where I think the Gog and Magog come in, seeing Israel at peace but anyway God makes it plain that all will know it was Him who wipe out the ones coming against Israel. Jesus we meet in the air and I believe it will be the same time as the Jews realize what a mistake they made and the anti-Christ goes into their temple. I am going when Jesus calls and you can stay here if you want to, I never really thought about that, if people don't believe. I do know ones here at that time must accept the mark or be killed because sin must always be covered by blood and these people missed their chance at grace with that time over. God is the Judge, not Jesus and that will come at the end of the 1000 reign yes that we are in the New Jerusalem with Jesus, joint heirs with Him. Then satan is loosed for a little season near the end of the 1000 years because all flesh must be tempted and choose good from evil and then is the Judgement Day. Christians do not get judged, they are chastised and they receive rewards, some maybe not many. I believe there will be different degrees of heaven as hell. The elect are the Jews not Christians. They have an earthly promise not heavenly. We could see a lot of bad, true, I am not saying we won't but God does not send wrath on His Son's body, which we are as He didn't the righteous in the past.


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Make Money 5 years ago from Ontario

Oh I didn't realize this was an old hub Pollyannalana. I came here from one of James' new hubs. When reflecting on what I previously posted you may also want to consider The Acts Of The Apostles 10:41-45 "Not to all the people, but to witnesses preordained by God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he arose again from the dead; [42] And he commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is he who was appointed by God, to be judge of the living and of the dead. [43] To him all the prophets give testimony, that by his name all receive remission of sins, who believe in him. [44] While Peter was yet speaking these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them that heard the word. [45] And the faithful of the circumcision, who came with Peter, were astonished, for that the grace of the Holy Ghost was poured out upon the Gentiles also." God bless. Mike


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US Author

Thank you, that is a very interesting read and I know I have read that it is likened to us receiving crumbs from the table (the Gentiles) which we are to be very grateful for and later I will come back and study this out and find scripture after I look over the whole hub. I have had so little time for hubs lately except for James a few minutes now and then, but this means much to me so I will not forget it. Thank you very much for commenting. A quick look I just took though surely you don't think God would allow His to have that disease that Christians would try to kill themselves but couldn't? I fear God as many people I believe fail to do but He would not do this to me. How could I love a father to do that to His own children? GBYT


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Make Money 5 years ago from Ontario

You are welcome Pollyannalana. Many Christians are already suffering with terrible diseases. It is our cross to bear to be offered up to God. Our main gift from God is not of this world but the next, to be with God for eternity. Thanks for returning God's blessings.


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US Author

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

I think this puts Jesus calling us home at mid tribulation when things really bad with the antiChrist and the Holy Spirit would have recognized the AntiChrist. Also you see scripture I am sure you have heard but I will look up if you want me to. Two men in a field; one will be taken and the other one left-this is Christians I believe.

Almost simultaneously there will be ones told to flee and pray it not be in winter or to be a mother with suckling child. To me this is the Jew fleeing when the antiChrist who is not Jew (I am guessing but probably ones close by Israel that try to take it from the Jews as they always have.)

Romans 5:9 God does not put His wrath upon us

Matthew 24:36-39

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Luke 17:26-33

And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

[Abomination of desolation » Matthew 24:17-22]

In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Remember Lot's wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

From the above, we can see that the day and hour of this sudden destruction at Christ's coming is unknown, but God's wrath comes just like it did with Noah and Lot. In both cases, there were righteous people who were saved from the wrath of God. In Noah's day, the wrath was global destruction by flood, but Noah and his family were protected through forewarning and obedience in building the ark to be lifted above the destruction on the surface of the Earth below by the waters.

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I took the bottom from here and it has been an answered prayer to me since my children were toddlers and I first learned of the Tribulation and cried a whole week until I learned of the rapture and I knew God loved Christians as much as Noah and his family or Lot and his. No we don’t deserve it but did they?

http://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/Def...


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Make Money 5 years ago from Ontario

You said "I think this puts Jesus calling us home at mid tribulation". With you believing the tribulation will be seven years that would mean the anti-christ sits in the temple when there is three and a half years left in the tribulation. So we are in agreement there, cause I believe the tribulation will be just three and a half years. How do you get the other three and a half years to make seven for the tribulation? Like from what scriptures do you draw that from.? I've always wondered about that. The temple is probably the third temple of Solomon. They have plans to build it, did you know?

I watched the top video again. At 1:14 minutes in the video it quotes Matthew 24:29-31 like this, "And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other."

But this is Matthew 24:29-31 from the King James Bible, "[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: [30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

Here's the online King James Bible that I quoted Matthew 24:29-31 from.

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/kjv/browse.html

The video is wrong in saying that it is quoting Matthew 24:29-31. It is actually just quoting Matthew 24:31.

Did you notice that verse 29 and 30 say "and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory", "Immediately after the tribulation"?

I'll stress that, "Immediately after the tribulation". :-)

You can check 25 Bibles to see how Matthew 24:29 reads at the Bible Gateway.

http://www.biblegateway.com/

Bible Gateway is pretty cool. It even has the Bible that I use, the Douay-Rheims Bible. Out of the 25 Bibles at Bible Gateway 12 of them read "Immediately after the tribulation". The other 13 Bibles replace "tribulation" with either "suffering", "misery", "trouble", "hard times", "terrible suffering", "distress" or "anguish". Which all mean the "tribulation" anyway.

But don't dispair if we are still alive to see the "tribulation". For God has prepared a place for us to be fed there during the times of "tribulation" as we see in Revelation 12:6. This is it from the KJB above but they all pretty much say the same for this verse, "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days." We believe the "woman" in Revelation 12:6 is the Church of God. You may not agree with this but we also believe the "woman" in Revelation 12:6 is Jesus' mother Mary delivering her children with Christ in them, the members of the Church of God, His elect. Please think about that for a moment. The dirty old dragon will be here to try to get the members of the Church of God. I mean who else would the dirty dragon be after, by that time he'd already have everyone else. Also note Revelation 12:6 mentions "a thousand two hundred and threescore days". A score is 20 so threescore is 60. So 1,260 days. And again 1,260 days divided by 30 is 42 months or 3 1/2 years.

Please don't consider this an argument. I love these discussions. God bless. Mike


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US Author

Thank you, one reason I haven't gotten to that video is because of attacks, one girl from New Jersey sounds really serious because I thought is was wrong the jury never got to see the defense wounds of Darlin Routier, she accused me of bashing Jews on the Girl from Ipanema poem when I didn't even want to be talking religion there and I don't mind at all discussing religious beliefs and why, I am sure it will be a good thing to remind myself so I will take care of all that and leave another video and comment before this day is done, God willing.


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Make Money 5 years ago from Ontario

I wasn't suggesting that you remove the original fist video just because the video was wrong in saying that it is quoting Matthew 24:29-31 when in reality it was just quoting Matthew 24:31. Actually I thought it was a good video because it concluded, with Biblical proof that a pre-trib rapture is not Biblical.

In the first video that you just posted Hal Lindsay mentions a raging controversy that has been going on for about 100 years within the church. He is right on that account because the extra-biblical idea of a pre-trib rapture did not exist prior to about 100 years ago. Extra-biblical meaning that it is not in the Bible. The Bible, Old Testament or New does not say that Jesus Christ will come three times. But for a pre-trib rapture He would have to come three times. Jesus Christ will only come a second time on judgement day. In this video Hal Lindsay without even realizing it is proving the 1,000 year spiritual millenium started with the death and resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ. He mentions Amos 9:11-12. But Amos 9 is about the certainty of the desolation of Israel which happened in 77 AD, the restoring of the tabernacle of David which is the Christian Faith and the conversion of the Gentiles to the church; which shall flourish for ever.

In the second video that you just posted Hal Lindsay says it was not known before that "the dead who are in Christ, shall rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, shall be taken up together with them in the clouds to meet Christ, into the air, and so shall we be always with the Lord." But of course it was known, that's judgement day, not a pre-trib rapture.

In the third video that you just posted Hal Lindsay talks about Matthew 24:40-41 but completely overlooks Matthew 24:29 that says "immediately after the tribulation". Matthew 24:40-41 is just referring to God's elect, "one shall be taken, and one shall be left". The one(s) that "shall be taken" on judgement day are God's elect, the other(s) are not.

Oh well, thanks for the discussion. God bless. Mike


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US Author

Do you not believe in the 1000 year reign where we rule with Christ and at the end of that while satan has been bound all this time he will be loosed a little season for the human born during that time of the living on earth must be tempted as everyone else was? http://prophecyforum.com/bradley/10.html (tells it better than I could) and what about all will not die but be changed in the twinkling of an eye?


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Make Money 5 years ago from Ontario

I see Pollyannalana. Victorinus was an ecclesiastical writer who flourished about 270 AD who wrote a commentary on the Book of Revelation (Apocalypse). Apocalypse just means Revelation in the Greek language. Victorinus is recognized as a Father of the Church. I was actually amazed when I first read Victorinus' commentary on Revelation because prior to reading his commentary I was understanding the Book of Revelation basically the same. You may want to compare what Mike Bradley writes in the above link that you posted to what Victorinus wrote about 1740 years ago.

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0712.htm

God bless. Mike


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US Author

I have changed some of the videos above but certainly I will watch yours. Right now I am feeling the first pangs of the end I think. Earthquake on the east coast! Was a little scary. I will watch this by tonight and let you know what I think and I am sure it would take some doing away with some scripture to change my mind and then too just knowing God did not love Noah and Lot and their families more than mine and it made perfect sense to me years ago when I went a week thinking my kids would be dashed to pieces before my eyes and still knowing deep down that could not be true, it was in the book and as it turned out I found out it wasn't including God's own, but I promise, I will listen good. Hope you in turn watched mine and listened.

Just call me Polly.


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Make Money 5 years ago from Ontario

Yeah Polly, that earthquake was felt from Georgia to south western Ontario. We didn't feel it here but that same day there were tornado warnings for a big part of central southern Ontario. We had a major lightning storm. There was a tornado that touched down by Hamilton but no one was hurt. I hope you are safely out of the way of Irene. I don't believe in global warming but there seems to be a change in climates around the world. I think this extreme weather is God's way of trying to tell us something. Yeah possibly "the first pangs of the end". I'm wondering whether there is an agenda behind this fairly recent idea of a pre-trib rapture. Nevertheless whether we believe in a pre-trib rapture or not we need to beware and keep good with God. And that's what practicing Christians try to do whether they believe in a pre-trib rapture or not. God bless. Mike


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US Author

I am more mid trib than pre although pre would be great! You are absolutely right Mike, we are to be watching which means be ready and all that is a must is the blood of Jesus for our salvation, no way to Heaven except through Him, many miss that and will miss Heaven but if we both have that there is nothing to argue about and I will look at every angle but once I have spent years deciding I guess I get pretty set in what I believe although I will look at anything in our bible. I have been accused of being a Gay and Jew brasher and I did do a hub on Gays with Sodom and Gomorrah being the only proof we need but no one can find one word I ever said about a Jew and I would like them to prove it to say it. All I have ever said is that we are to help the Jew in these end times. Many are in places having really bad times yet and many if not all want to go home and that is my tithe, not a new church building that will all soon be tumbled on the ground or men the church people have never seen sitting and collecting fortunes that was meant for the needy. Well now I have done gone to preaching again and I am sure you have not said that about me. God bless.


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Ann1Az2 4 years ago from Orange, Texas

Pollyanna: interesting hub and it sounds like you thought things through thoroughly. That being said, I believe little of what Hal Lindsey says (He wrote the Left Behind series), but I believe everything the Bible says. I believe Christians will go through tribulation and in fact are already in it (many of the things predicted in the Bible are occurring right now (as you mentioned - many of the illnesses). Our weather has gotten really crazy lately - more than unusual droughts, flooding, heat, etc. Remember, God didn't take Lot and Noah out of the problem; He brought them through it - Noah was still in the flood - God brought him out of it. The same can be said of today's Christians.

When Christ comes again, the dead in Christ will rise first (those who died, believing in the Lord), then the living in Christ will rise with them into Heaven to be with the Lord. This is what is commonly referred to as the rapture, although, it is not mentioned at all in the Book of Revelation. The wicked, alive at the Second Coming will be burned up with the Lord's glory. At this time, the Lord throws the beast and the false prophet into the lake of fire. The devil is left by himself to rule over the earth. This, I believe is his punishment, because he has no souls to rule over. The wicked who are dead will stay in the grave until Christ comes back after being with us Christians in heaven for 1000 years. At this time (after the 1000 years), the battle of Armageddon takes place. It is this battle that Hal Lindsey and a bunch of others make a big deal over. The bad devil and his minions vs. God and His saints. In my opinion, and this is based on 2 Thessalonians 2:8 which says "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming...", it will take all of about 5 seconds because Jesus is going to raise the wicked dead, judge them, probably in one fell swoop and throw the devil into the lake of fire. There won't be any of this long battle and nuclear stuff, shown on TV. The earth will be burned up by God's glory and power and a New Heaven and New Earth and a New Jerusalem will descend from Heaven.

That, anyway, is what the Holy Spirit has shown me to be the truth. At the first second coming of the Lord, there will be 4 groups of people here, those dead in Christ, those living in Christ, those wicked dead, and those wicked living. "Blessed are they who are of the first Resurrection" means those who are dead in Christ who are risen the first time because when Jesus comes back after the 1000 years, the wicked dead who are resurrected will go to hell (burned up with the earth). There is no second chance! Either you are with Christ now or you're not!

Really, does anyone honestly thing that a loving God would judge a wicked person and let them burn in hell forever or even live in a place like that forever? No, the wicked are evil and most likely are miserable. The Lord will put them out of their misery by burning them up with the earth and an instant.


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Pollyannalana 4 years ago from US Author

Well Ann I can believe your version or the bible's. When God says something I don't even question it. I think it would be OK to just burn up the sinners, but what I think doesn't matter. It would be easy on satan and his followers to spend all these years destroying people (and they love it, it doesn't make them miserable or they wouldn't keep doing it) and only have to be burned up and it is over. They can't undo their wrong and I believe that is why hell is as eternal as heaven, but regardless of why, God says it is. The Millennium (1000 year reign) will be us ruling with Christ in the New Jerusalem up in the sky right over an almost perfect earth for that time and I believe the scripture that speaks of like doves flying through the earth will be saints and I so look forward to that. I may be murdered or die before Jesus comes for me but God does not send damnation on His own, He never did and He never will. At the end of the 1000 yrs satan will be loosed once more, simply because all must be tempted and choose between God and satan. The Armageddon stuff will have been over before the 1000 yr reign, (there is scripture talking about the earth being cleaned up by men at this time from all the destruction that has been on it) it is all part of tribulation which does not come after Christ and His Church for the 1000 years.

Last is Judgement Day.


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Pollyannalana 4 years ago from US Author

People have blamed God for so much when He has put His word out there. We should study to show ourselves approved, we should seek to know the truth, not what we want to believe. God is a loving God but He does not love sin and He sent His son so sinners could still be with Him one day. We must turn from our sin; we must follow His word and His son though and He leaves all the choices up to us. By His blood we are saved, by His stripes we are healed. We choose; and we choose everlasting blessings which is Heaven or everlasting damnation, which is Hell.


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Ann1Az2 4 years ago from Orange, Texas

Pollyanna, I knew I would create controversy. That wasn't my version of the Bible - it was what I believe the Book of Revelation to say. I've read it several times. There is no use, though in us arguing. It serves no purpose. Many people have many different interpretations of the Book of Revelation, and I will agree with you on this - that in the final analysis it doesn't matter what we think. As long as we are in God's kingdom, that's all that matters. What takes place before, during or after, God is totally in charge of. So therefore, I will look forward to seeing you and all Christians in heaven!


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Pollyannalana 4 years ago from US Author

No controversy Ann, hope I do see you there and as I say thinking of some I know pretty much will be in hell I wish it could be your way but I do believe Hell is different degrees as heaven is for rewards. I would sure hate be in any degree without God, though.


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Ann1Az2 4 years ago from Orange, Texas

Any absence from God would be pure hell, that's for sure!


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Pollyannalana 4 years ago from US Author

Yes Ann I had a snippet of a dream about that and it sure was! That alone with no pain really would be hell.


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skye2day 3 years ago from Rocky Mountains

polly Precious sister what an awesome post. This is a difficult topic to venture out on. Well done good and faithful servant. I have heard Hal many times. I tend to agree with Irwin Baxter. ( he is awesome) I recall being disheartened with all the versions of rapture. We serve an awesome God and I thank Him our salvation is not dependent on our understanding of rapture. It is for our good and His purpose He has for told us all things. He is with us and for us and His Holy hand is on the heads of the righteous. We have His armor and the power of the Holy Spirit on us Amen?

These are the two verses that helped me to discern the pre trib rapture. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 You have them posted in one of your comments above.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Much has changed and gotten worse in the world since you wrote this and as it is written will spiral downward unless we repent and turn back to God. Well the the temple is not built yet, but soon as it is in the making. The anti christ must be revealed first.

Jesus is going to return soon. Hallelujah. What a glorious day. U keep going sister. Love n Peace in Christ.


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Pollyannalana 3 years ago from US Author

skye2day- Thank you so much for stopping by! It has been so long since I have been here and wow are we about ready for this!? The revealing is just at our door and I so hope God's own are watching! Thank you so much for coming by. We need to be reaching all we can! That one is going to be revealed very soon and I don't want to be here for that! Thank God I won't.


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Rhonda Lytle 22 months ago from Deep in the heart of Dixie

Thank you for writing this. Everyday as I read headlines I see more and more Bible prophecy fulfilled. We are so close now. Evil has permeated the very air we breathe and infected all the systems that surround us to the point of having become accepted as needed components of our social existence when really all they are is tools/tentacles of control and subjugation.

It's strange but I keep seeing folks proposing alien interference causing some things such as Morgellons which sounds really out there. The same folks often scoff and laugh when Christ is mentioned as if the nuts have come out. Talk about calling the kettle black. The truth is Jesus Christ is the only way regardless how much our government wishes to kick him out of all conversation other than that of being a scapegoat for the anger that's sweeping the globe. Funny and not in a good way, but when one's world spirals into hell who do people call on be they atheist or not? God. Such a behavior is strong evidence that we all know, instinctively that God exists weather we choose to accept it or not. The terrible things going on all over the globe should tell us the day of the Lord is rapidly approaching. God bless you and all those like you, standing up for the most unpopular truth ever. I hope folks wake up while they still can.


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Pollyannalana 22 months ago from US Author

Rhonda; how good to see someone read this and not afraid to comment after so long. Strangely enough it does seem many fear to claim the name of Jesus Christ as we know the gentlest name to know but there will come a real fear to those who deny Him when He brings us back in fire and glory!

Always great to know I am not alone here! Thank you.


Lexine 20 months ago

Thinking like that is really imvesrsipe


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Pollyannalana 20 months ago from US Author

Thank you.

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