The Reality of Jesus?

Was Jesus just an average guy or the Son of God?

I grew up being a very skeptical person who thought most world religions were fabricated. This posed a real problem for me, for by the time I was seven years old I experienced a glimpse into the unknown which I share in my “hub”From Satanist To Salvation. This glimpse made me aware of the possibility that there is more going on in this world than meets the eye.

Like I state in God’s Way Verses Mans way, the things that I witnessed first hand is what has convinced me of the reality of the spirit. I did not become convinced of this in an analytical way or philosophical way. It was because of the things I witnessed on a personal level that lead me to the conclusions that I came to. This is the same with me becoming a follower of Jesus Christ. It was because of what happened in my life, a personal transformation and relationship.

It seems that most who doubt the validity of Jesus are searching for physical concert evidence of a resurrected Christ, which I believe can still be proven to a point. However, the real proof is in the changes in a person’s life. These changes have not only been observed within my own life, but I have also seen them in the lives of others that have also been converted to Christianity. I have had the great opportunity to be involved in the lives of addicts and those with several forms of mental and emotional conditions. I seen their lives transformed right before my eyes though the power of the Holy Spirit.This has also been the claim of many believers though out the history of Christianity. However, the skeptics beg to differ not only in the experiences of Christians but the reality of Christ divinity.

Throughout the years “so called” evidence has been supplied that was said to disprove the views presented by the new-testament. There has even been some who want to convince us that Jesus did not die on the cross but went on to raise a family. In fact, there are people that believe that Jesus's “family tomb" has been discovered.

I have heard these claims for years, but what inspired me write this hub was a book revue I read by a fellow “hubber” Trish_M. Even though I disagree with some of her views I have grown to admire her as a brilliant writer and researcher. The book that she chose to revue was The Jesus Dynasty by James Tabor.

I do not wish to come across with an attitude that always use to bore and anger me which is, “these finding disagree with the Bible so they must be wrong” approach. If you use that approach and then just leave it at that, then you close a door on reaching the hearts and minds of the skeptics.


Leaning on my “collective” pass that has included research into several forms of Shamanism and Eastern philosophy, especially Buddhism has always made me wonder why the skeptics have not also investigated some of the claims made by the Buddha. For example, it was said that he had the ability to a shoot laser-like light out of the middle of his forehead, levitate and many other miraculous things that do not seem to be questioned to the degree that the claims about Jesus are questioned. Why is this so? Are the claims of Christians more threatening to science and our modern way of life than other religions? This is a question I will return to in an article I am working on that will examine the difference between Jesus teaching and the teachings of the Buddha.

For now, I will focus on the questions brought up by the book The Jesus Dynasty. The main theme of this book involves a tomb that was excavated outside Jerusalem in 1980 that has been claimed by some to be the “family tomb” of Jesus. My original thoughts when I started investigating this subject was “get real” for the concepts seem quite outrageous.

The reason why I state this, is that the whole speculation about this tomb seems as far fetched as someone finding a tomb in Germany with name Joseph Smith on it and then stating that it was connected to THE Joseph Smith who was involved in founding Mormonism without any more evidence than that! However, it would not be fair to leave it at this, so I started my own investigation that lead me to an incredible website that is devoted to a neutral perspective to this discovery. At this website they present both sides of the argument in regards to the validity of the tomb being the final resting place of Jesus of Nazareth. Here is quote from section initialed "Are The Names Wrong?"

“One of the more difficult areas for the non-specialist to make an independent judgment has to do with the rendering of the names from these ossuaries. The first thing that we must recognize is that the names we are accustomed to using were originally recorded in Hebrew/Aramaic. However they came down to us through English translations of documents written in Greek. So we need to recognize that names written on these ossuaries would have been passed down to us through a Greek - Hellenizing filter. To this we need to add the fact that the native language of Jesus was Aramaic, while Hebrew was the official language in the area of Jerusalem. This confuses things because during the time of Jesus, Aramaic and Hebrew used very similar alphabets, but neither of these alphabets were written uniformly across various contexts, regions and different time points.” Taking this a step further, some of the inscriptions have proven to be hard to interpret.

Overall the case for this tomb being connected to THE Jesus of scriptures is very shaky at best. Now The Jesus Dynasty also ventures into other subject, including Mr. Tabor’s climes made around John The Baptist. This information I have just started investigate, and I plan to tackle that subject in yet another hub!

I would have to say that in my opinion is that all this is wild speculation. I have not seen anything that showed any concert evidence to support the claims made about this tomb. I will now do my own book revue of another book that I see as an authority on this subject. However, if you like, you can first watch the video and draw your own conclusions.





The death and reserection: to me it is reality!

With out the sacrifice of Jesus I would not even want to see how wicked the world would be.
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The tomb of Jesus?

Those who do not believe will always attact those who do believe!

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As The Spirit Moved Them…

The book I would like to revue for you now is The Book of Acts in the New Testament. The reason for this is that it reflects the actions, trails and miracles that the early Christians encountered. It sets the stage for the rest of the New Testament and is a great argument against the speculation set forth in The Jesus Dynasty and other book that make similar climes about Christ.

If there is any truth in Acts at all, then it would disprove the statements made by the critics and the “so called” scholars who are trying to make a buck off of sensationalism and half truths. What I am saying is, if Jesus was not crucified and went on to raise a family, then why would anyone risk their life by preaching the message of a risen savor? Let us take Paul for example, who was a very learned Jew and was even trained as a Pharisee. He started out actively persecuting Christians until he himself had an encounter with Jesus Christ.

This experience transformed him completely; he even changed his name from Saul to Paul because of it. If he did not have such personal conviction would he even consider dropping everything, his livelihood as a tent-maker and his position as Pharisee to follow a carpenter? Why would he allow himself to be imprisoned time and time again if he was not absolutely convinced Jesus was the Messiah prophesied in the Old Testament?

My main point is that if Christ had a continuing bloodline, then the early church did a remarkable job in concealing this fact. It also seems odd that those who were involved in this ancient conspiracy would have chosen the tomb that they did. Go ahead, check out the video and I am sure you would agree that there does not seem to be anything secretive about the tomb what so ever. So in closing I will quote the Wikipedia under “Jesus’ Bloodline”:

“A Jesus bloodline is a hypothetical sequence of lineal descendents of the historical Jesus and Mary Magdalene, or some other woman, usually portrayed as his alleged wife. Differing and contradictory versions of a Jesus bloodline hypothesis have been promoted by numerous books, websites and films of non-fiction and fiction in the late 20th and early 21st centuries. According to an overwhelming majority of professional historians and scholars from related fields, there is no historical, biblical, apocryphal, archaeological, genealogical or genetic evidence which supports this modern hypothesis". That is their story and I am sticking to it!

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Barbara Kay 5 years ago from USA

Excellent hub.


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create a page 5 years ago from Maryland, USA

Highvoltagewriter I am impressed with your review of the Acts of the Apostles and in particular Paul's passion for Christ. I would also go a step further to point out that Paul was not only converted to Christianity, but he actually wrote most of the New Testament of the Bible in the midst of the persecution he endured for Christ. Supernatural acts done through Paul and others were also recorded in the Book of Acts as well as other books. All of these miracles took place after Jesus left the public scene, that is he had already died. Therefore it is not a coincidence.

Thank you for sharing your views on this topic. I hope critics will accept the truth when they read your hub.


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Thanks Barbra Kay for stopping by and I am glad that you enjoyed the hub. I also enjoyed some of the hubs I have read from you and I am now a fan! God bless you!

Hello create a page and thank you for your kind words. I was planning on adding more about Paul and yet I wanted to focus on the topic. I plan to return to the subject of Paul and Acts in future hubs. God Bless!


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

Hello Highvoltagewriter :)

Thank you very much for your kind words!

I enjoy your reasoned and thought-provoking hubs ~ this one, included!

I'll respond with a few things ~ but, please bear in mind, that I have not yet re-read this book in its entirety. Thanks :)

First, for those who do not know me, I am an agnostic. I think that, really, I have always been one, but, when I was younger, I considered myself to be a Christian.

Regarding the Buddha:

Buddhism has had very little influence on Western society ~ nowhere near as much as Christianity. Most of us, who discuss Christianity, tend to have a heritage that is within Western Christendom. Furthermore, whatever miraculous claims the Buddha may have made, to the best of my knowledge, he never claimed to be God / Son of God / God incarnate. Most people do not question Buddhism, so much, because it is rarely an important part of their lives.

It is interesting, Highvoltagewriter, that you concentrate on the tomb, in this hub, because, to me, that was probably the least interesting part of the book. It was the search for the historical Jesus and his family that hooked me.

However, if historians are going to carry out research, then they need to examine the evidence, consider hypotheses, etc, etc ~ which is what Tabor has done. It may turn out that the tomb was important for this family ~ or maybe not. It's the search that is exciting. That is the nature of historical research.

'Wild speculation'? Fair enough, but one has to speculate to accumulate.

However, as I said, I don't think that the tomb is the most important aspect of Tabor's theory.

The 'Book of Acts' is interesting, as an ancient document. It is historic evidence ~ and I think that Tabor uses it in his research. I have heard the argument, before, that, if Jesus was not crucified and seen to be resurrected, then why would people risk their lives to follow his 'religion'.

However, as we know, people will kill and die for their beliefs, whatever those beliefs may be ~ and they do not all relate to Jesus. So this argument, while it may sound logical, does not stand up.

As for Jesus raising a family, I don't think that Tabor ever said this.

Now Paul;

Tabor has studied Paul, and I'm looking forward to reading his book on the man, because I actually think that there is a good chance that Paul 're-invented' Christianity. Whether or not Jesus was a real person ~ and there is no reliable evidence that he was ~ he was a Jew. He may have been a controversial Jew, and he may have wanted to reform his religion, but he was circumcised, he went to the Jewish Temple, he celebrated Passover, etc. The Jerusalem church was not likely to have been like any Christian church we have today. And it is not likely to have been like Paul's church.

Paul never even met Jesus, yet he claimed to know what everyone should do. Maybe he was just power-hungry!? Maybe he thought that it was becoming politic for the Roman Empire to adopt Christianity? It would happen, soon enough.

'Why would Paul allow himself to be imprisoned time and time again if he was not absolutely convinced Jesus was the Messiah prophesied in the Old Testament?' ~ Maybe he had the courage of his convictions ~ but that does not make him correct. He never met Jesus!

I don't know what happened to Jesus. Maybe he died on the cross; maybe he didn't; maybe his story is such a mixture of myth and faith that we can never know.

Christians find great joy and excitement in their faith.

I find great joy and excitement in following the trail of history, to see where it leads.

I think that it is more likely that Jesus was fully human, that he may have been a rabbi and a leader, that his followers were zealots and that some of them were his relatives. As for Mary Magdalene, I don't know. If she was such a special disciple, then maybe she was his partner or wife. But I don't know ~ and Tabor does not suggest this, as far as I remember.

I shall have to read the book again. :)

I shall link this to my hub on the subject :)


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Thank you so much for your comments and for all of your inspiration! I mean that with pure honesty for you have become one of my favorite writers on this site. There is a lot I was going to say but did not say for I have been trying to tone down my word count on some of my hubs.

I find it fascinating that you have doubts about Jesus being a real person for the evidence to me is over whelming that he was and is! I was originally going to go into some other writings from the Romans that speak of Jesus as being real!

I decided to leave this out of my hub for there are several other hubs that speak of this and I did not want to repeat information that can easily be found elsewhere. However, I did give links to those hubs and I will now look up those hubs so I can supply more obvious links. The reason why I referred to The Buddha, for in this modern age he has been more and more accepted and investigated in the Western world. In fact, Buddhism has been perceived by many as form of “Spiritual Humanism” because it promotes awakening something that is said to be part of human nature.

I also want to tell you that I have read your take on Lucifer and you have opened quite a can of worms with this one. The reason why I say this is that there are many religions that make some really interesting observations about Lucifer AND the planet Venus. In fact there are many connections not only with Venus but with the serpent! Also, in Satanism Lucifer is seen as “The Forth Crown Prince of Hell.” The reason for this has little to do with the connection with the Bible. I will have to write a hub on this subject, but until then I will refer you to “The Feathered Christ” which speaks of the connection with Venus and an ancient Mexican (Toltec and Aztec) god known as “The Feathered Serpent.”

This is as far as I will take this at this time, and yet there is much more to this subject than meets the eye and to fully understand it, one must go all the way back to the time of the Sumerians and there Zodiac! (Has this wet your apatite? Good, then more will be revealed)!


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arb 5 years ago from oregon

Highvoltagewriter, A wonderful discourse on yet, another baseless hypothesis. Augustine said, " Man needs to understand in order to believe. God says, believe and you will understand." A difficult course for man for it requires the courage to trust something other than himself for a single moment and chance the unexpected; a revelation from God Himself.

In the course of trying to find truth there is our way and there is His way and no matter how much the skeptic comes against it, they will have to exercise a moment of surrender rather than a lifetime of immovable charge in order to find that truth. You have done well in " giving an account for the faith that is in you" God bless.


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US

Those who have Jesus in their heart need no proof and those who need proof will never have Jesus in their heart.


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

Hello Highvoltagewriter :)

I feel that people should be free to believe as they wish, as long as it hurts no-one. I respect their views ~ and I find your attitude to the subject both open and refreshing. :)

Some subjects are very interesting to consider and discuss ~ and some even affect all of society ~ so non-believers will wish to look at them from their own viewpoint. Too often this results in believers attempting to minister to them ~ but that is their choice and their right, I suppose :)

To the best of my knowledge, there is no proof that Jesus existed, but there is some evidence ~ how reliable that evidence is is a matter for consideration. People like Tabor, by providing the evidence, have actually led me to believe that he may well have been a real person ~ though I have doubts that he was God incarnate.

The thing about Buddhism is not about any miracles that may have been connected with him, but about living in peace and harmony with our fellow Earth travelers. So there is no need to question him or his actions.

If Christianity was just about Jesus's commandment to 'Love One Another', then that too would be less controversial. It is the claim that he was God and that if we don't, or can't, believe in him, that we will rot or burn in eternal hell, that is the problem.

I have had Christians tell me how sad they will feel, when they are waving to me from Heaven's pearly gates as I am refused entry and descend into hell. Now, that is not nice ~ or 'loving one another'; that is smugness and an assumption that they will go to Heaven. Not nice.

Cosmic goings-on, eg comets, etc, ~ 'feathered serpents' ~ have always affected belief in the supernatural.

I am enjoying these 'discussions' and look forward to reading more from you :)


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

Hello Arb :)

Could you clarify, please, what exactly you mean by the 'baseless hypothesis'?

Thanks.


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arb 5 years ago from oregon

Hello Trish, I would be happy answer any questions in my own forum. I apologise, but, I feel it inappropriate to use someone elses for my own discussions.


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

Hello Arb.

Fair enough, but I meant in respect of this hub :)


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arb 5 years ago from oregon

No problem! can discuss any questions pertaining to this hub also, just don't want to begin a discourse which could go back and forth on someone else's comment capsule. Just respect for their space.


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wba108@yahoo.com 5 years ago from upstate, NY

Great writing! You made some excellent points as to the poverty of arguments of the critics of Christ.

As to those would deny Jesus I say: Who is this breathing in my soul? I say if Christ doesn't exist who is this living in my Heart?


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Hello Arb, thank you for your comments for you hit it right on the head when you stated..."In the course of trying to find truth there is our way and there is His way and no matter how much the skeptic comes against it, they will have to exercise a moment of surrender rather than a lifetime of immovable charge in order to find that truth." I found that what kept me from having any sort of experience with Jesus and the Holy Spirit, I had to surrender my way of preciving things.

Hello Trish and thank you for poping in...I do want to say to arb that I appreciate him answering questions in his own hub for when there is to much cross talk in the comment section it can quickly get out of hand! I also want to ask that people avoid "thoughing mud" as I call it. Or to be more clear, no name calling!

I also want to correct Your comment about Buddhisim that is completly incorrect! Here is your quote..."The thing about Buddhism is not about any miracles that may have been connected with him, but about living in peace and harmony with our fellow Earth travelers. So there is no need to question him or his actions." Do you know that in Japan and other countries differant sects of Buddhisim had wars against each other? This is one of the reasons The Samurai were created! The history of Buddhisim is certainly not a peaceful as ome may think!


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Hello wba108@yahoo.com, thank you so much for your comments, God Bless!


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Marliza Gunter 5 years ago from South Africa

Great hub Highvoltage...yes..as I recall, Jesus spoke out against those who search for physical proof..those who did not want to rely on faith..but Jesus is true and single and unmarried and did die on a cross and were resurrected...but..God said way back in Deuteronomy that those who will seek Him with all their hearts, He will reveal Himself to them...that's when a person receives the true proof that Jesus is who He says He is... thumbs up!! :)


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Hello Marliza! It so good to hear from you for I have been wodering how you have been! It does me good to see you here!


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

Hello Highvoltagewriter :)

Yes, I can see what you mean about checking into the background of Buddhism. but I still think that it is a religion which is perceived differently from Christianity.

~ People see Buddhism as promoting peace.

~ The Buddha was not a god.

I appreciate Arb not wanting to get into additional conversations ~ that wasn't what I wanted, either, I just did not understand what he meant by 'the baseless hypothesis', with regard to your hub.

Maybe it goes with the 'poverty of arguments of the critics of Christ' mentioned by wba108.

Facts are facts, though, and feelings are feelings. I can appreciate the strength of feeling that Christians have, but it does not alter the fact that there is no absolute proof for the existence of Jesus, and certainly no proof of his resurrection, etc, etc.

Usually, unless the gauntlet has been thrown down in some way, by the author, I try not to get involved with hubs which promote certain beliefs. I respect the writers' right to their own opinions, but, since you mentioned me and my hub in this one, I feel ok about responding :) :)


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England

Hi, fascinating hub, and I watched all the video's with interest. The one thing that has always puzzled me about Christianity, and I do believe that Jesus was resurrected, is that nobody ever, whether on TV or books, discusses the fact that if or when Jesus was resurrected, he must have died at a later stage and be buried somewhere! for example, just for a second say that the tomb was real, why do people believe that if Jesus is buried there, he must have died on the cross? maybe his family buried him fifty years later! just because his body is there, doesn't mean he wasn't resurrected at the time of the crucifixion. it even says in the bible that Jesus went on to walk with his disciples for months afterwards, and only left them when they went 'over the mountains to another city'. when the locals said that Jesus 'ascended to heaven' they meant his spirit, not his flesh, therefore he is buried in that country somewhere. Maybe it is in that tomb. I often wonder why believers and none believers never ever talk about the years following His crucifixion, do you agree? cheers nell


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Yes Trish I wanted your comments!You were not out of line asking the questions you did...I do not mind "croos talk" when it is a legitimate question like the one you asked. What I want to avoid is slander or name calling. Debate is find as long as it is healthy and not arguing for augment sake!


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Hello Nell,personally I believe that Jesus resurrection was physical and the tomb in question was NOT the tomb of Jesus! There is also some who claim Jesus actually survived his crucifixion and ened up living in Kashmir!(A part of India close to Pakastan). However, all in all there is not much proof for this. I also feel that these latest books that were discovered will shed some light on this!


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England

Hi, yes I heard about Jesus maybe living in Kashmir too, I believe they have a tomb which was shown on TV, stating that this is where Jesus was buried, I don't believe that, but you never know. It is fascinating and anything that can shed some more light on the subject is great, because it just adds to the fantastic story of the Bible, cheers nell


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baygirl33 5 years ago from Hamilton On.

Hello,Iam really enjoying your comment and those of others who answer you.

I am trying to put together a hub(I'mkind of new)associating the idea that extraterrestrials figure in the story of our history and the history of Jesus. If they did help with all the mysterious stuff in this world of ours,Why not Jesus? In my mind something like that could be discussed in terms of the sermon on the mount,the Ascention etc.What if superior beings were part of Jesus's genetics? IT wouldn't change God much if he turned out to be an extraterrestrial.After all perhaps the sanctity of the word "heaven" was our invention.God (s) came from above,heaven is above in our minds.Many things could be more easily explained by allowing for technologiclly superior mentalities e.i.mass hypnotisim.

Thanks for your hard work.


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Hello baygirl33, thanks for stopping by! I have explored the theory of aliens coming to this world and have come to the conclusion that this is just one more deception brought to us by the one the Bible calls Satan. It took me years to come to this belief and I have written several hubs on this subject already.

If you read my series of hubs I am writing about the "Lucifer Doctrine" you will find I go into this, especially in the last one, #3.The spirit world is beyond technology and yet, I think that your hypnotism concept has merit, for in a lot of ways we are hypnotized!


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Silver Poet 5 years ago from the computer of a midwestern American writer

Evidence of the Spirit's work is very real for those who have eyes to see it. Good hub!


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Amman, silver Poet! For that is the bottom line, do we have the eyes to see it and I am now working on hub about perception and why some people can not see certain truths that I have come to see as absolute!


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vector7 4 years ago

Three paragraphs in and I know enough to know you're very much like me. lol..

Will comment again, and can't wait to finish reading as I can tell you're opinions are true and unbiased. I l.o.v.e. genuine people..

Be back very soon, [ ;) ]

-V


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Highvoltagewriter 4 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Thank you vector7 for dropping in and your endorsement of my work! It means a lot!


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vector7 4 years ago

Well, I'm back and have fully read the hub. Wow!

Well written, well documented, and well explained. And you brought out the big guns with Pauls status in his time as well. Why would such an intelligent man of that day devote his life to service without absolute surety? He wouldn't.

I think I have a lot of reading to do from the looks of it, as you've wrote quite a collection, and frankly I simply can't wait to break them open and see what else you have. :)

Your's in Christ - our eternal life,

-v7

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