The biblical god is a psychopath.

hate and vengeance as religion

The biblical account of god as written by humans is undeniably promoting a truly horrible psychopathic entity.

Hate and vengeance.

I know this hub will alienate all the god fearing intellectually stuck of the world and I do not give a rats arse. Don't like it? GO AWAY. Why read this hub?, you have never read anything else you didn't already agree with apparently or perhaps just couldn't understand anything you read.

If you had you would be up to speed like the rest of us.

I will not defend an invisible man made omnipresent entity who, although apparently having all the science and potency to stop human suffering is, according to the bible a warmongering loony who should be put away for a long time for the crimes committed against humanity and the provocation to violence he/she/it promotes. Just another brother of Zeus or Allah etc etc.

Any wonder mankind is so screwed. Being polite about the horrors depicted in the "good" book is not my idea of being "tolerant of others beliefs." I will not defend Hitler or any other despot either.

Many humans want to have the devil in the corner rather than confront that we are all potentially as bad in thought as each other, it is the behaviour choices we make that separate the good from the bad.

To get a handle on living a good life we do not need to believe in cocky poo ideas designed to ease the guilt felt by being human and feeling imperfect.

It is bloody hilarious to think of all the anal retentive weak kneed flat world Taliban setting themselves up as moral policemen. These gutless wonders and cowardly murderers and worse are just following their understanding of the Koran. They then impose their madness and psychological damage on others.They believe a lot of old flat world bunk. This is ignorance by choice as all religion is, as religion wants to be worshipped. Their religious agenda is evangelistic, in other words they will use it to rule in Afghanistan and finally rule the world if allowed to grow.


reminds me of South Park , or Pinky and the brain

I have less than no time for those who are ignorant by choice, and no interest in being polite about it, as in any other scenario involving a psychopath who allowed little children to be harmed I would get praise not flack.

I have no reluctance in saying what I hold to be a self evident truth about the bible. Yes I have read it cover to cover (twice) and with a bible study in Hebrew and Greek.

There is no need for me to prove or disprove god's existence. Just read the book. Fight over your god without taking this planet down in doing so should not be too much to ask.

How anyone can believe such hogwash is in my view a fair question to ask and psychotherapy may be an answer to all the self aggrandizement (thinly disguised as belief) that is a part of the world religion politic that should just go away with education. The trouble is that "believers" don't investigate or read anything that may upset their mindset and thereby beliefs, so I realize that will not happen.

I read the bible. This line is for all those who want me to read their version of the bible. If you want to argue bring something to the table or I will just ignore it. Read the Hedonistic imperative lately? Or anything about the age of our planet? Or a religious history of the world? Or the writings of Carl Jung?

Carl Jung speaks of the religiosity of soul and in this sense I am as religious as the next man. I believe in soul. I also believe in spirit and faith. I just don't feel the need to tie them to some bi-polar man made vengeful god, which is really just a reflection of the human condition.

No doubt if this hub even gets read some soul savers will be praying that I get well soon!

Up Yours doogooders!

I have no intention of getting in to biblical discussions here, as the bible like the Koran allows enough scope to make whatever you want from it's "teachings".

The politic of religion is that even killing non believers is ok. The right to any other opinion is denied or called the work of the devil or insert your pet evil entity here..

Take America as an example. You can disagree with religion, just don't expect to get elected to public office or get a job, or be left to live your life without some bible bashing loony appearing on your doorstep to invade your private life and "save" you. In some places in the USA it could get you murdered to blaspheme against their god.

the definition of blasphemy is free speech to these fanatics.

Fundamentalists are just as scary in the states as they are in Iraq or Iran. Bush has authorised the murder of thousands of people in the name of his god. Different god same invocation.

Pailin got the vote of the intellectually impaired and just plain dumb-arsed religious right with her fundamentalist beliefs. I have personally spoken to grass smarter than that nasty bitch. God gives some very stupid people a very high self worth... sort of.

A god by any name

Allah evidently thinks murder is OK too.

No? Read the bloody book.

How can anyone believe in such a dangerously ignorant and vengeful entity?

Fear of god or Allah. Fear of dying, fear of self, fear of others, fear of the future, fear of knowing, fear of poverty. All this and hate is all through the quran and the bible as the word of their god.

I am afraid too. Afraid of fundamentalist of any persuasion. Christians, Jews, Muslims or any other religious lunatics.

Why do you think those of us who think it is all hogwash hardly ever speak up?

The "soft" religious will be too polite to make any comment that may offend me.

Screw them. The fanatic evangelists of all religions will want me dead because I have a different view to theirs. Screw them as well.

I was bought up in a religious household and became a christian in 1967

I was a young man at the time. I had to work with an evangelistic baptist who thought that because I gave to charity and lived a pretty clean life that I needed religion. He turned out to be a liar and a thief.

Like many who hide behind religion he could justify everything he did, no matter how obviously crooked it was. His local minister of religion and he decided to skim about one million dollars out of a retirement village they were building with the parish's money for the glory of god.

Then like several of Americas super rich Tele-evangelists, he stated the bloomin obvious. I have done wrong, I have sinned, but somehow their god forgives them their sins, and unlike the rest of us are confident that they will come to little harm from the judiciary in a country that singles out the rich for special treatment and boy are those guys rich.

This same guy, as a justice of the peace handed down draconian sentences to those who did not fall in to line with his beliefs. You could get away with murder also, you would just have to cry out "I have sinned" in his court and all would be forgiven and the law of the land forgotten.

I know there are as many crooks that are not religious, but there is something really sick about "the devil made me do it." That makes me mad.

I screw up as much as anyone but at least I know the problem is mine and mine to deal with.

Denying that we are evil because god guides our lives is as non-sensical as the rest of it.

Why little children who are hurt, killed or damaged before they even get to have a life is never explained as gods work. Religion relies on stupid answers to any questioning of this non appearance of their god to protect the innocent or intervene on behalf of little precious ones.

I hate violence, and abhor the gutless way we deal with it in day to day life.

The crimes committed against innocent children while under the all seeing eye of an all seeing god makes me very angry with the ignorant by choice people who perpetrate this nonsense, and is one of many reasons for my obvious disbelief in religious piety.

How many women have died because of the Pope's belief that women have no right to abortion under any circumstances. The thought of terminating a pregnancy and thereby killing an unborn child is just as horrific to those who are pro-life as it is those who are anti abortion.

It is just that when that choice is made to protect the life of the woman and perhaps her six other kids, the choices get tough, and it is up to experts to help, not some ignorant religious appointee with no knowledge of the circumstances and often little knowledge about anything else either.

In case I have not been clear, take your tiny little god and stick him where the sun don't shine, and don't give me any baloney about me being intolerant.

Someone should be intolerant about this. It is a disgrace to think that with all the information available we still have this antiquated crud being rammed down our throats, so this hub is my way of saying, enough already.

I will no doubt hear from the usual self appointed experts arguing for this neurotic clap- trap. Bring it on!

Portrait of a psychotic god from the bible.

Would you follow this psychopathic god?

Malachi 4

The Great Day of the Lord

4*See, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble; the day that comes shall burn them up, says the Lord of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch. 2But for you who revere my name the sun of righteousness shall rise, with healing in its wings. You shall go out leaping like calves from the stall. 3And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the Lord of hosts.

4 Remember the teaching of my servant Moses, the statutes and ordinances that I commanded him at Horeb for all Israel.

5 Lo, I will send you the prophet Elijah before the great and terrible day of the Lord comes. 6He will turn the hearts of parents to their children and the hearts of children to their parents, so that I will not come and strike the land with a curse.*

I rest my case.

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TKIMWRSVC 8 years ago from United States

Bravo, bravo, bravo

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riotgrrrl 8 years ago from Cheshire, UK

Hey there i really admire you for making this hub, a brave step :-)

I have always been intregued as to why religious people are afforded such special treatment, why their beliefs are respected so reverently, and no one dare even think of questioning them!

As an atheist i believe that human beings should be capable of moral and ethical behaviour irrespective of wether there is a god or not. We should not follow the commandments of the bible simply because we desire a golden ticket into heaven, we should do good because we are good people, and because we care for other people. I think anyone who acts morally simply out of fear of going to hell in the afterlife is not truly acting morally, because they are not acting out of their own free will.

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earnestshub 8 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Thank you very much riotgrrl

You are on the right track so to speak. Growing to our full potential is having a full life. I learn a lot from my grandchildren.

I have two granddaughters who are three, one eleven and the other sixteen. One of the three year olds always beats me up in discussions, and has a great career as a politician or public speaker!

She has discovered she can get me to do almost anything for her. If I don't do as requested by her just demanding it, I must sit down, usually she asks me to sit on the floor, and listen to her arguments as to why I should do as she says.You'll notice I said I will do almost anything for her.

Some her requests have been outrageously presumptive in light of her knowledge and usually as funny as hell!

"I want juice now grandpa" (waiving a cup}Of course she can get her own juice, has been able to for over a year and she already has the cup.Anyway SuperSpiderman is home, and he can get you anything from a movie camera to a drum set in a minute flat. At four my grandson is a master of getting stuff. Really she wants an argument or discussion and she just takes it straight on! I do enjoy seeing her constructing her sentences, and using her feminine side to influence the audience. Head tossing and other nuances have all been learnt and are honed daily.

She reminds me of a young Bette Davis.

The other twin is somewhat etherial, equally funny and can see things that I wish I could see.She focusses on the eyeball and sort of hypnotizes grandparents or any other likely prey.

They are both so beautiful and unspoilt by life.

My grandsons are also very different people, both creative in their own ways and wonderful boys.I am about to hit the park with some of them.

Every person who reads your hubs can see all this in their children too. We all love to nurture young life.

I tell my children they have done a good job as parents in allowing each child to grow in their own way to become who they are and realize their full potential.

You are part of the generation who will bring some very good changes to the world. As my sixteen year old grandaughter is, you are communicative and savvy in general.

Like you her self worth is pretty intact and she has a good outlook on life.

My adopted nineteen year old son is yet to be in a serious relationship so no more rug-rats on the horizon for the moment!

Stay with us here on hubpages as your internet marketing takes away more of your time.

I predict a very bright future online for someone like you. I hope you find the best way forward if you have not already.

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Sufidreamer 8 years ago from Sparti, Greece

Enjoyed that one - like you, I have faith, and believe in a soul, but have no urge to live to the letter of the Bible. Technically, I am Greek Orthodox, but they were caught stealing millions of Euros worth of tax payers money in a land-deal scandal.

That sums up why I cannot be arsed with church, and do not believe in sin - I much prefer to go and sit on the mountain. No fear here!

Cheers for the read and for the chuckles.

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earnestshub 8 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Thanks sufidreamer. The mountain sitting is a great way to enjoy your love of all things spiritual, and food for the soul as well.

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JamaGenee 8 years ago from Central Oklahoma

Great hub, Earnest! You said what many people think about bible-thumpers. A scary bunch of people! As long as they leave me alone, I stay clear of them too. Perfect example of "A mind is like a parachute - must be open to work". Church VIPs and tele-evangelists count on them not to think for themselves. Sad...

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earnestshub 8 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Thank you JamaGenee!

I believe that bible-thumpers as you call them are a loony bunch who should be confined to their own flat planet!

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C. C. Riter 8 years ago

Thumbs up e! You made very valid points. I quit church and formal religion many years ago for these things. you misspelled bologna. :-)

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pgrundy 8 years ago

Applause! It's JUST A BOOK. Faith has to come from a deeper place. You could say the Bible is like a mustard seed. (Didn't some else say something like that?) It has to sprout, you're not supposed to go around using it as some kinda weapon! LOL!

I was raised Catholic, and I always used to wonder, "Why is God such a jerk?" But it's not God, it's the bad sales job.!

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earnestshub 8 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Thank you C.C.Riter. I was raised catholic but thought the whole process ludicrous!

pgrundy, thank you. The bible and the Koran are the most sexist books I know of too. I would have thought it difficult to sell a piss ant psychotic god in either case.As I am fond of telling god-botherers."Your god could walk under my carpet wearing a high hat and not make a bump!" If people must have religion at least they should bring their knowledge up to this century and their god up to date.

I have to say, the dozy bastards give me the shits. It is time they read Carl Gustav Jung and the many others who recognized that we all have religiosity as a part of the human condition, and you know what I think about that. To quote myself. "The human condition is no condition to be in. "

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pgrundy 8 years ago

I know. It's not funny sometimes. I just got an email from some whack-a-doo here who thinks I'm the Devil incarnate for saying that some of the Christians here at HP are kind of 'intellectual terrorists.' She said she reported me to Homeland Security. Well, at least they have health care there. :o)

Seriously, that level of hatred is scary. Sometimes I think people are attracted to religion because they are mentally ill. But then, I know nice people who are religious too--like Sufi.

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Teresa McGurk 8 years ago from The Other Bangor

I enjoyed this hub, thanks! I grew up in Belfast, where organized religion was cause for terrorist operation and para-military reaction. It was easy to turn away from such hate-mongering. Goodness, tolerance, and compassion don't need any labels or herd mentality -- ya either have integrity and spiritual awareness, or ya don't.

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Benjimester 8 years ago from San Diego, California

This is an interesting hub. I have to say, most people who rant about the Bible haven't actually read it and are just ranting. You've actually read it twice. I've read it twice myself :) though have come to different conclusions. I know this isn't the place to have a Theological dialog, so I'll just say let's be happy to agree to disagree :)

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earnestshub 8 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

PGrundy Homeland security eh? I will join you for the health care. The fact that I am Australian probably would not matter! I agree there are many religious people who are wonderful and caring like Sufi, but they are never zealots.

Teresa McGurk, I cannot even imagine the horror of Belfast in those days. You obviously survived integrity intact.

Benjimester. I am happy with that. I have been through the "born again" experience and spent two full years studying the bible. I have a dear friend who is very religious and we do have the odd discussion about religion or my lack of it! Fortunately he is, like you tolerant. I am not tolerant of religion, but that does not mean I do not like individuals who I see as living and giving.

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Benjimester 8 years ago from San Diego, California

Life is about living and giving. That's a good way of putting it. By the way, I saw something that I can't resist mentioning. Google adwords is often comically ironic. For some reason, it's seen fit to post an add on this hub for Free Bible CD's. Haha, doesn't exactly fit the bill.

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issues veritas 8 years ago

If there was one religion, agreeing on the same God and that religion didn't believe in killing. Sort of like following "Thou Shalt Not Kill", then the majority of deaths in the world today would stop.

Of course, the reality today is that people are dying because of a difference in their belief of God and that the other person's God is not God.

The Muslim's for example have two major factions following Mohamed but they have a deadly difference on whom Mohamed designated to take over when he died. I can't comprehend a Muslim religion divided over something is simple is that.Especially, when a single word from God could result in a single flock around the world. The Catholics and the Protestants apparently agree on the same God, but they differ on what earthly organization should be in charge of the sheep.




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earnestshub 8 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Benjimester, I did notice the ads. I had to laugh at the absurdity of computer driven thinking. Computers sure are dumb.

issues veritas. I can't get over how stupid people are. Logic has no place in the life of a zealot.The good old "my gods better than your god" game is the thinking of most of them.

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Amanda Severn 8 years ago from UK

Lovely hub Earnest,

Like you, I've read the Bible, and it makes me seethe when I read some of the selective verses people use to back up their dodgy arguments. The whole book is full of contradictions. I like the idea of Christianity. Love-thy-neighbour, be a Good Samaritan, use your Talents wisely etc. etc. The ten commandments are fairly sound on the whole. It's just all the other stuff that comes with it that wears me down. If God is love and light, peace and harmony, and sharing what we have with others less fortunate, then that's fine by me. If, on the other hand, Christianity is an exclusive club, with an improbably long list of rules most of which appear to be man-made rather than divinely created, then perhaps I'd like to re-consider my vote!

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earnestshub 8 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Like you, Love the talk, hate the walk!

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AEvans 8 years ago from SomeWhere Out There

earnesthub, I guess you would call me a soft christian however I do respect what you are saying as I cannot be judgemental and I believe that everyone is entitled to their opinions, pushing what I believe is not the right thing to do, but listening to others feelings and thoughts sometimes makes us open our eyes to a different insight on things. I don't believe God was man-made , but I do know that I appreciate that you took the time to express your thoughts on this matter and I took the time to read it and appreciate where you are coming from.:)

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earnestshub 8 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

AEvans, thank you for your kind words. According to the bible I am still a Christian myself!

I would suggest a bit of judgmental thinking is ok. I have a strong view about the 300 or more formal religions who own the truth. I do not mind if people idolize an invisible friend, but I do mind when they insist that I believe the same as they do.

I do not agree with Christianity or any other religion but you and I can disagree about this because our opinions are not personal attack. We may agree completely about many other things in life and from reading your hubs I think that is a likely truth.

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AEvans 8 years ago from SomeWhere Out There

You are so welcome and I respect your beliefs and you are correct as we agree on many other things in life and that definitely is the truth. I on occasion have been on the religious forums however there is so much fighting going on so it is always hard for me to comment, as I always ask myself WWJD? He wouldn't be arguing, screaming or pushing so I often stay quiet. Yes you are still a Christian and always will be so don't ever let anyone try to take that from you, and it is good to understand other religions and beliefs I enjoy studying them myself. :)

TTT 7 years ago

Love the HUB! I too believe in the soul, which is why I cannot believe in the evil gods of human religion.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Thank you TTT You are spot on!

jw freeman 7 years ago

The biblical God is nothing like the God of the church. He is q very real being, a member of a very real race of beings known as holy ones in the book of Daniel, & elders in Revelation 4. Elohim is wrongly translated as God. It's the actual name of a race of beings & the Hebrew translation is actually a description of these very real beings. Daniel refers to their leader as "the ancient of days" denoting His elderly appearance & long white hair & beard. Whether you want to admit He exists or not, or that Satan exists; first you are going to face the very real army of Satan very soon; & then 7 years later if you are still around, you will face the very real army of Jesus of Nazareth.

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issues veritas 7 years ago

Was there a God before the one in the Bible?

Lets hope that numbers count; Angels 2 Devils 1.

That is if you believe that Satan took 1/3 of the Angels with him, when he left God.

I think that we lost the battle, when Cain killed Abel. If that story was real?

? Did we rely on translations, story tellers and others to reconstruct our Constitution? Could be a bad example, because even with the Constitution being written by the founders over 200 years ago, we still aren't sure what they meant just by reading the document.


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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Bullshit! Heard and saw all this crap before. I was not impressed then and certainly am not now.

Take your pint sized god and shove him!

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issues veritas 7 years ago


I am disappointed about your comment.


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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Sincere apologies issues veritas I am sorry I got it wrong

The comment you made above is not the one I intended to respond to.

I don't know where the other comment is, but feel it was not from you.

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issues veritas 7 years ago

earnest I had trouble matching it to any comment. No prob.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Apologies again issues veritas two people commented at the same time, I did not agree with the other persons comment, and in my usual way said so pretty directly. I am sorry you copped it full on by mistake. Be assured I that where we disagree I know you are well mannered and refined and I will do my utmost to do the same, although it is not my nature! Thank you for your understanding, and for your tolerance.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

CC Riter I could not find the reference to bologna, I guess I will have to read it more carefully, thank you.

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Whikat 7 years ago

Wow! earnestshub This was beautiful. It was written so clearly and purposefully. I am not sure, but I think it is the fear of not being accepted by family members, friends, and society in general that some people turn off their brains and call themselves, Christian, or whatever religion they feel is popular. Thank you for the great hub.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Whikat, thank you for the positive comment! I think you have a pretty good sense of the problem. The fear of not belonging is a major driver of human socializing anyway, and the derision from family and other peers probably tips the scales for many.

True Believer 7 years ago

You will go to hell unless you stop writing such nonsense. Only Jesus died for all our sins and accepting Him you will go to Heaven.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Thanks for the heads up True Believer.

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Ivan the Terrible 7 years ago from Madrid

There is almost nothing in the bible that I believe to be true. The same with the Koran and the other religious books I have read. Once I searched for an answer before I discovered that there is no answer because there is no question. To run around wasting one's life looking for an answer to what ior who s god is like worshipping the great pumpkin of Charlie Brown. Nice idea for a myth, bad idea for a life's quest.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Spot on Ivan. It was funny in Charlie Brown, it's pathetic in the real world.These days we know what is happening in other lands, so less opportunity to create those fables of a "promised land" too.

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agvulpes 7 years ago from Australia

So what are you telling me. The Great Pumpkin is a myth.

That is sacriligious and may you go to the Great Compost Heap in the sky. Both of you . You hear me. Don't say you haven't been warned.

blah blah blah!!!!!!!!!

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Well at least we will be able to grow pumpkins there!

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Ivan the Terrible 7 years ago from Madrid

I always knew I was full of manure! Ha-ha!

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

So it is you, Ivan the Terrible who makes the world revolve?

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Staci-Barbo7 7 years ago from North Carolina

It seems strange that religion, which should reconcile God and man and man to man, too often sets man at odds to his fellow man.  Although I am a Christian, I find myself disconcerted at the depiction of the angry God of the Old Testament vs. the God of love portrayed in the New Testament.  That schism has always been difficult for me to reconcile.  Of course, I prefer the God of love of the New Testament, but I do not choose to ignore the significance of the numerous evidences of God's anger and wrath, even against his own people.  I have to admit, I fear this God.         

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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

Excellent hub with which I agree, although I do believe in God but not a Biblical or other patriachal religion bullying, threatening warmongering one!

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Thank you Bard of Ely, I follow a different path to some and do not believe in god so I have a problem with the pathetic monster of the quoran as well as the bible! A concept of the might of our own universe may include a "god" in my thinking too, but an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent god is written in these tombs, err tomes more as a vengeful nasty piece of work in urgent need of some post Jungian therapy.

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Marisa Wright 7 years ago from Sydney

I've never been able to understand why Christians kept the Old Testament as part of their Holy book, instead of using just the New Testament. After all the Old Testament is the Jewish Holy book. There would be far less trouble with contradictions, including the whole vengeful God idea, if the Old Testament wasn't part of the Bible.

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no body 7 years ago from Rochester, New York

I am one of the Bible thumping, narrow-minded people that believe in the literary impossibility that is Scripture. But I hate religion. All the stuff that sticks in your craw, sticks in mine. All of the irony that causes all of the suffering and death. What I read (and I read the Bible through every 4 months) is that I am to love even when I'm hated. I'm to reason with folks if they are willing and to leave them alone when they are not. I have no need to defend myself or my beliefs because time will tell who is right and each man must decide for himself right from wrong, truth from myth. I respect you being so honest and love you even if you can't love me.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Thank you for your wonderful comment no body. The people I love are those who can do the same.

Uncommonly you offer no religious threats and I welcome your input. I have many friends and family with various beliefs who behave as you do. We love each other, and agree to disagree about beliefs. I also understand if scripture has great meaning to you. I find myself in agreement with your comment, except for the bit that says I can't love you. I am angry with religion in general as you are, and have never understood why the psychotic bits of the bible are used by religions to scare the dailights out of children!For me, a grandfather of six, it is all about the children. Nothing allows me to believe in anything that hurts them. They are the future.

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Tom Cornett 7 years ago from Ohio

A preacher once told my dad that he was poor because he didn't attend church.

My dad replied,"I can kick your ass all the way back to that church!"

The preacher left immediately. Dad believed in God....religion only annoyed him.

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fortunerep 7 years ago from North Carolina

You had me when you mentioned Carl Jung. I love his theories, I love reading him regardless,


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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Thanks Tom. Your dad has every right to reply in that way. What an outrageous statement from this preacher! Religion can be more than annoying, it results in closed thinking.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Hi dori, thanks for the comment. I have read everything I have been able to find about Carl Gustav. I still have most of what he has written and have read some post jungians like Hillman, Peter O'Connor, Marie Louise Von Franz and others. As complex as the human being is in total the explanations of psychology at least make sense regardless of their complexity.

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no body 7 years ago from Rochester, New York

There is no good to come from threatening. Being a "card carrying" Christian is no easy thing because there is always someone begging for his butt to be kicked but I just take a deep breath and realize that it takes many kinds of folks to make a world and my job is to be bigger than any problem they have. Thank you for your new friendship and may you have so much success in everything you do.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Thank you no body i wish the very best for you too.

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Lissie 7 years ago from New Zealand

Great hub - if something is so fragil it can't be challenged its not worth my time of day - never mind unthinking loyalty! If God wanted that why did he give us brains LMAO! And how many wars have been started by Atheists: we have the Christian thing in Ireland, the god fearing Americans in Iraq, the God bothering conquistadores, the god fearing crusades. Now the atheists - which war did they start again -in the name non belief?

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Well said Lissie!

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Jewels 7 years ago from Australia

Hey friend, brother in arms. Loved the hub, loved your honesty and passion. Those that think for themselves will inherit all things, that's if the other idiots don't stuff it up completely.

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Sailaway 7 years ago from Australia

Religion is a crutch.

A result of genius marketing.

Faith and spirituality are very different things.

I concur with all you say, support you wholeheartedly.

However, do not ever badmouth Santa, or I'll come after you!!


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agvulpes 7 years ago from Australia

Not to mention the Easter Bunny !

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

I will not hear a word against Santa, or the Easter Bunny either!

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Mr.Murph 7 years ago from Sunny,florida

I agree whole heartedly.It is really ironic that religon is the root of almost all of today's evils.Especially organized religon it is a  crooked triangle organized to control its masses.But how can you really blame those followers,when you are raised from birth to believe in something it is hard to really see the truth.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

I guess we can't blame the followers, but maybe they can be educated? Thanks for your comment, it is thoughtful and fair.

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rickyracer 7 years ago

People fear religious people, and are as much trying to do away with Christ and religion as it was when Christ was on this earth. People fear the power in, and of Jesus. They feel it easier to rid the nusianse of good, vs. does away with their convicted hearts. Gosh, why are Christians so outspoken they say, while everything else on this earth is permissable??!! God help us, who are Christians, like myself, to use every venue, as I,myspace, hubber...what ever to boldly proclaim Jesus, and who I am Him. A believer, who is none the less blessed and proud of who I am, than the homosexual, who wants to be allowed, and is being welcomed w/ open arms in today's society to boldly come out of their closets...while Christians, are trying to be shoved in closets. Oh quit preaching at us, people say...while all the while they preach their godless society, day and is over run with god less ness. God help us who can, to be bold as Daniel in a babylonian society, of today!! And boldly proclaim, Jesus is alive and well...and I love him. He is a good God, a God who I will share, as long as I have breath to do so. As a Communications major, and Biblical AA degree minor, I know, I've studied the Word of God, and that since being a child. I will boldly proclaim, that which I know, as long as the other side, can defend god less ness....I can shine....who lives in me!! Blessings on the journey, as we travel to the other side. Jesus is Lord!! :)

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

No Ricky people do not fear your god, you do.

We fear people like you with certainty in their belief that ram it down our throats because you don't really believe it yourselves either.

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rickyracer 7 years ago

No fear here, only Faith. And I don't really see, how just posting, a statement, is "ramming" something, any more than you can post freely. Why can I not answer freely? I just enjoy Christ so much and am so blessed by Him, I'd shout him from the house tops. Sort of like when I met my wonderful husband and life mate....I'd tell everyone I'd meet about great he is, how handsome etc...and on and on...and so I am w/ Jesus in my life. When something or someone...changes your can't help but share that, and that my friend, is exhuberance, not jamming. sorry. we all have freedoms, even we Christians. Blessings anyways. :) rickyracer.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Because you have a belief does not mean it is shared by others and the assumption that you hold the only truth is an insult to non-believers who have read the same books and arrived at different conclusions. Most Christian comments are damning of others beliefs..

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rickyracer 7 years ago

Most would be the key word. To the comment you are making, not all. I do not condemn or damn, anyone, like I said, I am simply posting, or making, a statement, just like anyone else has the freedom to do so. Why are all Christians, lumped in to one bag of "goodies" any more than all "sinners" are lumped together? Well they say this, or that. Or you...are being condemning ...meanwhile all that I did was answer a post with the zeal that consumes me. Penn, from Penn and Teller, is a professing Atheist, and yet, he states, that if people can't be true, or all out at what they are, Christian or other wise, than they are really no good, and useless to that cause, what ever it is. I mean, if I'm a silent Christian, what good am I? I am a professing, Christian. Penn said, he don't see why, people are "attacked" for just is they are. I don't either. Even though he is an atheist, and I wrote him and told him this, on you tube. I agree with him, on this. Why are Christians attacked, verbally, for being such. I've not been attacking in my answers, only explained my zeal. To which, I'm lumped in a category, perhaps. w/ some, who've mis used their zeal. Is that not possible, in either realm....that there are those who get, "carried away" with it all? Anyway, I am a "professing" Christian, and love to openly declare it. I don't shove it down anyones throat, no more than you could say, that when I first met my husband, I was shoving it down someones throat to say, hey, this is my hubby, to me, he's the greatest, handsomeest...guy I know, or have ever met!! I was consumed by him, as I am by my Lord!! blessings, hope you'd understand, maybe you should read some Penn...on you tube. Maybe you'll understand, that all I do, is post my love, and to me, if you can't state out loud who you are and what you're about, then you are ashamed of it. And I for one, am not. again, blessings. :)

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Thanks for the reply, it is really warming to know you feel that way about your husband, and I wish you a happy life together. I am familiar with Penn thank you. I am glad you do not ram your beliefs down other throats.(I will re-read to be sure!) My experience on the religious forums is that many of the questions are loaded, and assume everyone has to speak only within the constraints of and assuming belief in their particular religion or entity. The questions asked are often of the "are you still beating your wife" or "when will you stop beating your wife" type.

Other forums continue to have religious people intervening with god threats when they do not agree.There is a big difference between commenting and introducing yards of bible or koran quotes that are lifted off the net and pasted in to the conversation as if that is the final word on the matter.

Comments are often threats of hellfire and all the usual rubbish. if you read my hubs or comments you will see that I do not hold with religion, I do not single out Christians for any special attention.I do attack those who would deny human rights to minority groups because "The bible said" or "The koran said. When you read the koran or the bible you can find references that allow that all homosexuals should be killed, tortured or caste out. I am heterosexual, but I am not homophobic and will attack those who are pumping out this hateful crap.

I do not like being told that I am somehow immoral because I am not a Muslim or Christian. If you are not part of the loony who believe in running others lives, you will not see me replying negatively I hope.

Others like me have the right to believe in no god without the threats of hell and other torture from the loony religious. As I said we may have read the same books and come to different conclusions.

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rickyracer 7 years ago

And, one more lil jot, in one of your replies to me, you say, "it's because you don't believe either." You said, that you don't get "in to" A christians "space" no more than you'd want them, getting in to ...yours. Well, w/ replies like that, saying what I myself believe, that is sort of judgemental on your part, because you don't even know me, how could you possible know what I believe. So, my suggestion, would be to be careful on your judging "us" as Christians as well. Sometimes, we each, don't even realize it, when we get "in to" each others "spaces". We call the other one "pushy", or invasive, when we ourselves are being just as much that. Just a "helpful" nugget, in a friendly manner, to possibly, see the "us" in a different light, and give the "us" more of a chance. We're "all" not so bad, no more than you " all" aren't. LOL blessings :)

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

I don't recall directing any of this at you personally, but I will attempt to backtrack and find it if I have.

I have generalised, but not as much as those who lump their belief in to questions and then pretend that they are open to an answer.

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rickyracer 7 years ago

because you don't really believe it yourselves either. Was how you'd phrased it, but, I was being lumped in to that category, I'm guessing. Anyway, it is easy to lump it all together, on both sides, and we "all" need to be more careful of that. again, nice chattn and prayerfully, we'll all try, at the least, to hear, each other out, and give each other a chance, and realize, we all, have belief systems, and that's ok. And, that if I state, what my belief system is, unless I'm saying, you need to be this or that...that I am not, shoving that down anyones throat. I'm just excited about, what fills me, and so sharing that. blessings, :) on lifes journey.

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chukra G 7 years ago

let me try to use some simple words to describe GOD. Religion is not God, Believe me you hate them the followers, for the way they brought the God to you, its awaken your ego, because its like accepting the god base on fear, and you hate that. your hateness is acceptable but when you realise they know nothing about God, of course they really dont know nothing neither do i, God is a journing transforming you to another dimension where you exist, where your brain dont have the capability to detect the dimension it is not about 4th dimension i guess, all our senses is relying to the dimension for them to react. your eyes, ears, skin, etc. not your senses moving out, it attracts the elements to it to react, when lights reach your eyes it will be function. hmmmmmmmm and you cant describe by words or action about feelings right, God can be most far or can be the most nearest depends on you.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Thanks for the comment, I do not understand much of what you have written, but I have read your comments on the religious forums, so I have a fair idea of where you are coming from.

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chukra G 7 years ago

thank you, feel free to visit me at im not good at words but, try do not hate them as what they doing to you then you will caught up in the same ship with them. wont make differences.

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Hxprof 7 years ago from Clearwater, Florida

I disagree with virtually everything in your hub, but I sure enjoyed reading it!

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

OK, you enjoyed it, that's great. I write, you read, it's all good..

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Kebennett1 7 years ago from San Bernardino County, California

I believe in God first off. I believe in what I believe to be His Word and the Testament of His life. I also believe you have the right to your opinion, God gives us free will. I am sorry that you are so angry, I can really feel it when I read your Hub. Probably not healthy! Nothing about God should make any person so angry. I understand that "Religion" has hurt many people and many churches are no longer what they should be. It is a shame. There is crime even within what is supposed to be the house of God! Pastors and Priests are defiling the church. He does not smile on this. He does not want anger and resentment, between His people. It doesn't matter in God's eyes if you wear jeans or a suit! Pants or a dress. Have long or short hair. Enclosed shoes or sandals. War is atrocious. Racism is atrocious. The God I know is a loving God. Everyone is welcome to come to Him. Whether it be in a church, A gathering at home or alone. I am sorry you have become so disolussioned and are as angry as you are. I pray you are not always stressed out and you have some kind of positive stress release.

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Kebennett1 7 years ago from San Bernardino County, California

I am sorry you got duplicates! My bad. My computer glitched and I did not know that happened, and on top of that I rewrote my comment because I did not see it come up after the glitch. Pardon the Foux Pa.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Thanks for commenting kebennett1. Not too much stress here! You have given examples from your life, so I will give you an example from mine. i got severe cancer and had little chance of survival. I had surgery 14 years ago which saved my life. my friend prayed for me, and he felt that saved my life. 5 years later he got cancer. He prayed but refused surgery as his god had told him to, then died within weeks. I could go on. I do not feel your fear, and get angry healthily on a regular basis. As I pointed out in my hub, according to the bible I am a Christian, so I have read the bible, then after 2 years of study I still decided it was a crock. Please do not pray for me, I do not force my sub-concious beliefs on you, so please do the same for me.

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bala99 7 years ago from Hyderabad, Telangana, India.

Do I see a tinge of frustration in the Hub? Scriptures are different and dogma is another thing. While scripture is said to be divine, dogma is the human interpretation of the scripture.  I completely agree with you that the dogma being floated around can and is for most part a perversity. Evangelists of all religions tout this to scare people into a line of thinking which is convenient to them, and the gullible fall for it. It thrills them for some reason.

Taliban, Pope and such are doing exactly that in varying degrees. Any way the retribution forms a very minor part of the scripture. Why do we concentrate on that when, a Goldmine of good is also there in the scriptures. I would study that and practice that. “Love thy Neighbor” is definitely more preferable than “An eye for an eye” 

Despite what any one says, the choice is ours.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

So true. The truth is always just our own, the choice is ours to make.

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\Brenda Scully 7 years ago

Hope you are not setting yourself up as some kind of god here yourself, you do seem to be accumalating some followers... peace.  Brenda x

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Ha ha not bloody likely Brenda!

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\Brenda Scully 7 years ago

mind your language there are god fearing people around....

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Izombiheartzoey 7 years ago

Insults do not make good arguments.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

OK, what are you referring to in particular.

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JYOTI KOTHARI 7 years ago from Jaipur

Dear Earnest,

You have raised a very debatable issue. I have not read the entire bible (only some) and unable to comment on it.

I belong to Jain religion that believes in "God" who is (are) universal observer and do not interfere with mundane matters. Jain believes that every one in the universe can achieve salvation if they are dedicated to do so with right perception, right knowledge and right virtue. He or she, who attained salvation is a God and every one in the universe has right to be a God.

I rated it up.


Jyoti Kothari

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Thank you for the comment Jyoti. I spent many years studying religion to arrive at my conclusions. I do not have a fixed view, but have major doubts that any god would behave in a way that was worse than mankind itself does.

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Crazdwriter 7 years ago

I don't know why you would think I wouldn't like it. yes I believe in God but come on earnest you should know where I stand from some of my comments in the religion forum as well as my UU Hub. You don't believe and I respect you for that. And yea I read the Bible and agree that it is just a book written by man. who really knows if those guys really hung out with Jesus or not. they could be lying or just taking what they want from the teachings. So I don't go by the Bible anymore except that it is an intersting story told by many ppl. :-) Good hub, sir good hub! I applaud you.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

I am dazzled Crazdwriter! You young lady are the owner of an open mind! I like that!

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Crazdwriter 7 years ago

Shoot I still believe in mermaids and fairies, I believe in magic and the magical healing powers of polished stones and crystals. So yes I am VERY open minded. :-)

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Well something made you believe in them, so unless someone has proof they don't exist you're laughing!

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Crazdwriter 7 years ago

That is the difference between us earnest, I don't need proof to know that they exist. I mean yes I would love to see a fairy for myself but a part of me fears it as well. They are beautiful yet scary creatures. But I believe in them nonetheless. :-)

Peggy Anne 7 years ago

I don't believe in bible God.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Good for you Peggy!

Peggy Anne 7 years ago

Bible God fixated way too much on matters below the waist. And he couldn't get enough drownings, and small animal sacrifices.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

He sure did a lot of smiting!

Carol-Ann 7 years ago

I'll state first that we will agree to disagree, although I do respect your 'freedom' to dishonor God and the Bible. I am an absolute believer in God, Jesus Christ, and the Bible. Besides the teachings of the Bible, science has been 'trying' to disprove God since...well, forever. One thing science has never been and will never be able to do is create 'something' out of 'nothing' (no thing). In my mind (and many scientist who are turning to Christ and the Bible) this proves, or at least cannot disprove, God. Can YOU create something out of nothing? Now, since you're so brilliant, tell me how we all came to be? Like it or not, I'm praying for you.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Carol Anne it is nice to know we have so much in common!

My twin sister's name is Carol Anne! :)

Prayers do nothing.God does not exist, the bible was written by a bunch of controlling sexist men to further their own needs.The only "evidence" of your myth is from the myth itself, science on the other hand has empirical evidence gained from testing. Your assertion that science supports religion is false. The only ones who do are dead- set religionists.

As for being "so brilliant" I will leave such claims to you!

Carol-Ann 7 years ago

Hello again! It's wonderful that you have a twin! My husband is a twin. Wow! Two things in common. :-) I hope you are doing well. But my 'myth', as you call it, about science is not a myth at all. I'm asking you again, can you....or anyone you know create 'something' out of 'nothing'? How is that a myth? It's laughable to me because to most people it is common sense. And I did not label you brilliant, sir.....I was referring to your all-knowing rhetoric, since you seem to think you have all the answers. The fact that you have read the Bible means nothing without wisdom and guidance. You obviously do not understand God's Word. It has never been dis-proven. It is a History Book. Even small things in life, such as the direction in writing in every corner of the world all point toward the Holy Land. I could go on and on. Find a Theologian and learn some Truth. Blessings.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

If you knew anything about me at all you would not be challenging me on the base of religious knowledge, I have better credentials than most.

Your myth is from one source, itself a myth. The something from nothing argument is not worth replying to. Read some science, or would you like to challenge that to?

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fatfist 7 years ago

(I'm asking you again, can you....or anyone you know create 'something' out of 'nothing'? How is that a myth?)


The word "create" means "creatio ex nihilo" - to get something from nothing.

You are making an extremely wild assertion here that the word "create" applies to the reality of the universe. The onus is on YOU to actually show one, just one thing that is "created". Please do, and show us that your wild claim has any validity, then you can explain to us how the universe was created.

Otherwise, you are just making up your own words to serve your own purposes. And in this case, it's not even a myth, it's a falsehood because nothing can be created from nothing! This means, that there was no nothing, as you carelessly assumed.

Carol Ann 7 years ago

Fatfist, you are correct - the word create does mean to create something from nothing, or something not made by ordinary processes! How can you possible say the onus is on ME to show just one thing that is 'created'. Are you SERIOUS??? If nothing has been created how do you rationalize sitting in front of your computer reading these words? We are talking about MATTER and HUMAN LIFE here, and the origins of the UNIVERSE, which is NOT nothing. I am not making up words to serve my own purpose. And with all due respect sir, the statement that 'nothing can be created from nothing' is absolutely the dumbest, stupidest, most comical statement I have ever read in my life. ROFL You sir, are a wonderfully created human being, loved by God, whether you choose to believe it or not. And to "ernesthub", I do wish you challenge you on my 'myth' which is not a 'myth' at all. You chose not to reply because there is no evidence otherwise. None, nada, not one. I have read a lot of science. I KNOW SCIENCE. To start, I 'challenge' you to watch the #1 documentary called "Expelled! No Intelligence Allowed" by Ben Stein. Then after that I 'challenge' you to study the string theory a much as you can understand anyway, and let me know what you think about it in relation to God and creation. Common sense my man, common sense. Jesus loves you! Just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it's not TRUE. He died for YOU. Something (matter) can never be created from nothing (no thing)....hence CREATION. :-)

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fatfist 7 years ago

(the onus is on ME to show just one thing that is 'created'. Are you SERIOUS???)

I most certainly AM! You are making the POSITIVE claim about "creation". Prove it, or concede it is just a figment of your imagination.

(If nothing has been created how do you rationalize......)

ALL that you see, all objects, matter, biological matter, etc. is assembled from pre-existing matter. It doesn't require any education or degrees to figure this out. Even dumb & horny teenagers know how to assemble babies from pre-existing matter....Hmmmm...I'm surprised you don't know how to do this.

Since you assert everything was created from nothing, please prove this ridiculous claim. Please explain how nothing (no matter, no space, no time, no void) can surreptitiously be converted to a 3D object like a star or a planet. I am waiting for your explanation.

You can't even prove that one thing in this universe is created from nothing, let alone that the universe was created from nothing. You can't get matter from nothing. If you don't know this, you haven't a clue about science.

(string theory)

Oh, now you are quoting the Religion of Mathematical Physics. Please draw me a picture of a 1D string or point to one on the internet. Otherwise string theory doesn't even pass the hypothesis stage of the scientific method.

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Mikel G Roberts 7 years ago from The Heartland

Earnest as always I agree to disagree. You have a well written and insightful hub. My Compliments.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Thanks Mike, I appreciate that, thanks for leaving a comment.

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jjarman 7 years ago from

Wow, you have some fire in you now don't you brother. You speak the truth. Organized religion is mostly "hogwash" and for profit brain washing. There is; however, an unknown entity that we just cant quite seem to grasp as it slips around behind and below our conscious thoughts. You know it and I know it to be true...denying that simply shows up as frustration caused by not understanding something. I know I usually feel and show anger when I am frustrated. Like a child's tantrum when learning to crawl so to speak. Once they can move forward at will they are off to the races exploring.

Your comment "I was bought up in a religious household and became a christian in 1967

I was a young man at the time. I had to work with an evangelistic baptist who thought that because I gave to charity and lived a pretty clean life that I needed religion. He turned out to be a liar and a thief" is evidence of trust and faith ruined and desecrated by those we are taught to respect.

I too would be very angry. In fact I am. You see my children, Tonya age 5 and Timothy age 3 were murdered along with their mother whom was my ex-wife some while back. I same as you thought "why would any righteous or good God allow that to happen?" Well it seems to me that I had taken the wrong path in life and God destroyed my life essentially making me start over. This has happened to me numerous times through out my life. To the point that I am afraid to love anyone for fear of making the wrong choice and them suffering the consequences. When it comes right down to it though every time I went down one of those paths I knew deep down that It was wrong and did it anyhow out of spite, ignorance or just plain apathy. When I make the proper choices in life everything works out as it should and I feel content and usually elated as I am with my current wife and son. I am sure that you can find some similarities to that in your life as well.

Earnest, I as you do not give faith to organized religions; however, I wholeheartedly believe that there is a God and that we are all somehow connected through it or him with one ultimate goal. To create!

You may be interested in some of my writings my friend. I am surely going to follow yours and I would love your feedback on mine. Do not worry I can take it... you see ultimately we are the the same only looking through various paradigms and at different stages in our lives. We share the same goal though to survive, be happy and create something so there is evidence that we existed at all. And face it most everyone else is to scared, to busy or perhaps just plain weak minded to comment on my stuff so I could use the input, good or bad. :)

Warm Regards,

James R. Jarman

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Jerami 7 years ago from Houston tx

Great hub. I find it strange that I can feel totally opposite yet also seem to agree. I know that there is a God. It seems that the biggest issue is the perception of who or what God is said to be by the religious establishment. This might all make sense if the false religion spoken of in Rev. 13 came into power in the 4th century. And then the beast had many babies. I think that Religiosity is that beast and denominations are the offspring.

So I think that we can agree to disagree and yet...for all practical purposes be making a similar argument.

There is one and only one truth! But where did they put it? I think that it will eventually escape and be found.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

James, thank you for the kind words, and for letting me see another point of view. I will go and read your hubs and leave a comment.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Hi Jerami! Thanks for the thoughtful feedback. yes I am happy to agree to disagree. There are good explanations in the latest of Lawrence Kraus's theories to assist with some of the scientific discoveries, and the god particle is about to see light if you'll parden the pun! :)

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Jerami 7 years ago from Houston tx

And when they do find it It will be an extra ordinary "thang" ... ?

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

I don't know how far-out-eum it is going to be, but I will be up to date soon on the meaning, and will post.

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TJBaruch 7 years ago from Clearwater, FL

I've read your hub and will not argue with you. Your comments on religion are understandable...even reasonable if you are focused only on the practice of religion. I'm sure Jesus is appalled at many of the things done in his name.

However, I will pray that God will reveal himself to you as he did to Paul that day on the road to Damascus when he was "still breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord." (Acts 9)

Peace, peace to you and every blessing in Christ, Jesus, my Lord.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Peace be with you too! The time is coming for religion to be abandoned by all educated people who can see the psychosis in it.

We did not recognize or even understand this psychosis in biblical times. Now it is plain to see for those who understand even rudimentary psychology.

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magnoliazz 7 years ago from Wisconsin


You are right,religion is bad. I believe in God, I believe in Jesus, but I don't like or believe in religion. The Muslim believe that you must believe as they do, or they behead you! Look at the Taliban...oh...they are sooo religious. They make me sick, their evil hides behind religion.

I don't especially like the Christain religions either. It is one of Satan's biggest coups to inflitrate religion and make it less than holy. Every church I have been to has an agenda, and that is usually money! They could care less about the Lord.

I don't think anyone turned off by religion will go to hell. Leave the religion behind, embrace the Lord and Jesus.

Yes, humans suffer a lot here on earth, I have had my share, believe me....but my mother always told me that suffering makes you tougher and builds character, and she was right.

Maybe God is putting us through all of this to make us better! If we never knew what evil was, how would we know what was good?

God knew YOU, even before you were in your mother's womb. I really don't think God is out to get us, he just wants to make us realize what evil is really like. At the end of the day, I believe he loves us.

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Nice if one could cherry pick the bible, and most do! The bible is a book of hate and control. I have no time for such a biblical god!

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aguasilver 7 years ago from Malaga, Spain

Hi Earnest....

Ironically (if you can remember my first profile picture) your religious zealot picture heading the hub looks much like me! - Thankfully it's not, I don't do street evangelising with a megaphone.... my voice is loud enough!

We have spoken enough on religion, we need speak no more here, but I am enjoying reading about who you are and I like your hubs even when I disagree.

'she'll be right' (is that correct?)

See ya.


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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Hi John! Thanks for your comment. Sorry about the fundy pic! I guess we all look like someone else.. I enjoy reading many believers hubs, just not the religious ones!

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WriteAngled 7 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Jehovah is pure Animus divorced from Anima. Any wonder that he's turned into a psychopath???

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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Very observant and Jungian of you WriteAngled.

and so true!

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valeriebelew 6 years ago from Metro Atlanta, GA, USA

Hi Earnest,

I have been meaning to read this hub since I followed a forum started by a 14 year old, probably to get a group of adults into a screaming and shouting match, and laugh till his sides hurt. The forum was about Christianity being "stupid," or something to that effect.

Your comments on that forum had me in stitches, especially the one about being forced to "choose between sky fairies." I already knew you from our former communications, and this was just too much. I couldn't stop laughing at your "fairy" comments, and decided I would find this posting within the next few days.

To be honest, I don't know where I stand on any of this. Like you, I was once sure I was a Christian. I attended a Southern Baptist Seminary, in New Orleans, LA, a sure thing to make anyone doubt the religious experience. I find strength in the teachings of Jesus, while the old testament is much as you say. The person up there who said he or she did not understand why they kept the Old Testament was right on target, but since they did keep it, it makes the whole thing kinda hard to believe.

I just plain don't talk about it much, because I don't want to deny the faith, or get saved again by some concerned zealot, because I'm not saved enough. I hope there is some being up there, but the old testament seems to have been written by Jewish males. It is very sexist, as Jewish men were sexist, and I also have trouble believing God would order mass murder of every man, woman and child in a community. It was also okay to rape and kill the man's daughter, just so they didn't mess with the angels they thought were sexy men. Sorry, but I think consenting sex between two men is better than rape and murder, and have a hard time believing in a God who doesn't see it the same way.

So, I'm not exactly an atheist, and would prefer to choose a fairy, but can't find one other than Jesus, who satisfies me, and I don't know that I could handle my father in law, if the old testament is to be believed. His dad is just too much, and I've never been attracted to jealous men. Can't stand em.

About the jealouy deal, why would an all powerful god feel a need to be jealous???? Jealousy is a trait of weak, insecure men, not people who have real power, personal or otherwise. I think jewish men created this god in their image, not the other way around, but I'd like to believe in Jesus. He may not be real, but I like what I see.

The fear I suspect, is not only fear of not belonging, but fear of dying and not being here anymore. That is the real fear. let's face it. It's about death. No one wants to cease to exist. I like life, and wish I could believe in an afterlife, I mean really believe in one, not just wish I could believe in one. So, I was dead ass honest, just as you were. I knew I wanted to read this hub, because I knew it would be dead honest, no pretense, and that is what I gave you back. I'm softer than the soft Christian, but I'm not acting soft in order not to offend you. I don't think honesty will offend you, and I dont' give a rat's ass who is offended. Writers can't worry about such things; it is the nature of the art.

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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Hi Valeriebelow, thank you for your very open and honest comment.

You see the thing about Jesus is, the same stories existed thousands of years before, as did all these biblical and quoran stories, they were just retold with different participants!

Some of what was attributed to JC is common sense, logical and moral. Not all of it mind you, and what Jesus is supposed to have said has many many contradictions in the bible which I can point out to you if you like.

It is the human mind which creates religiosity of all types as a mechanism triggered by the part of the brain responsible for fight and flight responses, and is a sub-conscious response to the fear of death.

Even small changes in brain chemistry by changes in diet effect this sensitive chemically/electronically fired process.

An example. Give a religionist a dose of MDMA and hey presto! They have access to their fear without feeling afraid of the fear itself. I have seen 3 believers become instant non-believers this way!

Everything we are, imagine or see as reality is a brain process.

Do I still believe in spirit and soul without a god?

You betcha!

Body, mind, spirit, soul in harmony. Although the last two have a deep psychological meaning to me and form a part of my religiosity, I do not relate them to a god.

The good, bad, devil in the corner rules that form the basis of all religions is flawed psychologically.

I could go on. And on!

The mind is a wonderful playhouse!

Jc as an add on has got another problem for any thinker, and you mentioned it. Ya gotta hope the fruit fell a long way from the tree that spawned it in the OT. The psychopathic sadist who was so insecure he offered to kill all non-believers in him, just like in the quoran.

There are thousands of versions of the sky fairy who is every thing. Omni this and that!

Apart from the bible being for the most part just a book of hate and fear invoking threats, since Jesus apparent time, (I am not convinced he ever existed, as the story of his execution and resurrection is also copied from a much older story.)There have been no miracles or prayers answered. Not one proven or documented case in 2000 years of what is apparently a daily offering from over a billion people?

I wonder how high the odds need to stack before religion is recognised for what it is. A human need that requires understanding to unravel the reasons why it exists within.

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valeriebelew 6 years ago from Metro Atlanta, GA, USA

Thanks for responding to my comment. Everything you say makes perfect sense. As I wrote earlier, my beliefs are not that well defined. The teachings of Jesus may be common sense, but few live by them. Most live according to their momentary needs, and I am no exception, much of the time. Problem is, I don't see an exception in members of the far right movement either. They feel a need to threaten those of us who don't buy their concepts with fear of hell, because they believe that if they don't, and there is a hell, they might go there as well. So, they are really being self centered, no matter how much they try to pretend they are doing it to save our souls. It is their own soul they are so concerned about.

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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Thank you Valerie. You are on to how it works!

The megalomania apparent in religiosity is encouraged by the belief systems themselves.

Religion like much advertising, appeals to the lowest forms of our humanity such as intolerance, jealousy and the insistence that it is their way or hell.

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vox vocis 6 years ago

I like your hub, it´s pretty straight-forward. I must say I like reading the Bible because of The New Testament, that is, because one can learn about the life of Jesus Christ whom I consider the best of souls or spirits, as you like it. When it comes to Church, they´ve done horrible mistakes during the past and they are still doing them now, but I am not a member because of the church politicians selling rubbish but because of myself, what I feel inside, because of John Paul II and a few spiritual people serving as priests and nuns that I ´ve met (a few I repeat). Each individual must find his or her own path when it comes to these matters...

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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

I enjoy some of the bible as well. Some of the psalms are really beautiful. As you know, I do not believe in any gods in the religious sense.

Richard 6 years ago

I'm not an atheist, but for some time I have recognized that God *is* a psychopath. That is expressly why no one can understand God! For example, How God treats his own creation is reflective of how he feels about himself. God apparently hates himself, as he wishes his creations to act how he *doesn't*, him being an unchained, rabid maniac on the loose who does whatever he wants simply because no one is capable of punishing him. Scripture states all things were created for his pleasure, and in this reality God tortures and murders his son (or himself, if you believe Jesus was God in flesh), so he personally is a sado-masochist, taking pleasure in such atrocity, making a reality in which all humans are tortured by the stresses of life in this world, as an expression of his own desire to be punished and restrained.

God has the following traits:

-Selfish parent who lives through his child/creation

-Multiple personalities

-Absolute archetype of selfishness

-Sado Masochist

-Hates himself

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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Hello Richard. Thanks for your comment. I agree with your post, but fortunately there is no god, so no need to believe any of the book that says there is, or be afraid of a myth.

thatdoomguy666 6 years ago

I find it funny, growing up Catholic I was told Athiests, Gays, and anyone with another religion back ground "is going to go to hell!". But here's the thing 75% of those people are nice, good, happy people, if 'God' really 'loved' everyone, then I doubt He/She/It would really care if the person didn't believe in them, had a same sex partner, had another God, He/She/It should only care if that person was good in life. Unfortunatley, the God in the bible is the complete opposite, (and as you've stated )if anything He is a psychopath.

On paper, religion sounds great, like comunism, but when people manipulate it to make form to THEIR beliefs, that's where is goes haywire. From what I know, the only religion that has not caused violence or hate is Buddhism, and they dont believe in a God!

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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Not believing in the sky fairy is a good start I agree!

The nonsense in both the bible and qhuran is self evident to the modern educated mind. It takes indoctrination to make people so gullible.

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Harlan Colt 6 years ago from the Rocky Mountains

EARNEST! Why ya gotta rock the boat mate? I feel like ya came over to Harlan's house and started insulting and provoking - and peeing on my couch. But ya made it clear you don't wanna argue and its all good. Yer still my favorite Down Under.

Thus me being one of those "Bible Thumpin' idiots" whom you have so efficiently slapped about for my silly belief's and shut the door to any rebuttle, then I will take you up on another one of your challenges. You said:

"I will not hear a word against Santa, or the Easter Bunny either!"

I'll bite on that one!

The Encyclopedia of Occultism and Parapsychology quotes “Old Nick” as being a well-known British name for the devil, derived from the Dutch Nikken, the devil. The Oxford English Dictionary Vol III D-E, also references Santa or the Devil as being "Old Nick".

AKA Satan "Claus" - the mythical god saturn, which is why Christmas is actually - Saturnalia, the winter solstice - renamed, and was celebrated long before Christ was born. One can thank the Roman pagans at the Nicean Council of 324 A.D. and the unholy Catholic Church for blending this holiday with the birth of Christ in an attempt to keep their failing religion from disappearing all together. And it worked for this holiday and Easter as well. That's why its called Christ-Mass - duh. You're right, it's not christian.

Its funny on Christmas, kids are more interested in Santa, than Jesus.

Easter goes clear back to Babylon where they worshippped the Goddess Easter, the Goddess of Fertility with rabbits chickens and eggs. I wrote a whole hub on it if you'd like to check it out. There is nothing christian about it.

Yea, I'm a little offended Earnest on the god is a psychopath and other similar comments, and I am also a little offended that you basically say - "if I offended you, you can F off." That's a wee bit supercilious. But then thousands of intellectual, arrogant, superior men throughout history have come and gone, are dead and buried and no one knows who they are, neither are they but few who are remembered and not too favorably. Hitler, Stalin, etc., did you know Hitler killed more christians than jews? 7 million christians, 6 million jews. For some reason our schools don't teach that anymore, just that jews were. - Interesting.

You say it takes indoctrination to make people so gullible.

What if when you die you find out the bible was all true and people were merely indoctrinating you with lies so you would be gullible? Ever think maybe you're the gullible one? No, of course not, you're too busy feeling superior to all us wee-minded folk who see something in the Bible.

Is not atheism also just another faith?

Do you know ALL there is to know in the universe? No.

Do you know HALF of all there is to know in the universe? No.

So how do you know God isn't in the half you know nothing about? You don't. You don't know, but you crow like a proud horn, like you know it all (on this subject), when in fact you don't even know half of all thats in the universe, which God claims to have created - for all you know, he is hiding from you because of your extreme disdain toward him.

For you to know there is no God, then you would have to know everything there is to know about everything - and that my friend would make you God. Are you God?

Maybe you are - how do you know?

And while you're so comfy lumping christians into the fold with murderous muslims, I wonder if you had your pick, if you would rather be stranded in the hills of Pakistan or an American christian community? I wager, in one you would have your head slowly sawed off for the evening pleasures of Allah and friends, and the other you would be given food, shelter, and help with whatever. In all fairness, there are some neighborhoods in America where you would also be stabbed and robbed, shot or whatever, but people in those neighborhoods are not walking around singing hymns and baptising people in the river either. They're too busy with other godless ventures like turning the daughters of men and women into prostitutes and drug addicts.

While you make some "christian" historical points of contention , I would point out that those actions were not christian either.

Christ defined who he was and who his followers are, it did not include people marching around saying they were followers, doing unchristian things in his name, but yet you're more than happy to lump them in.

That would be like me running around saying I am a follower of Earnest, and then killing everyone I felt like in your name. You wouldn't want to be associated with that for 5 seconds. I don't begrudge you the right to be an anti-christ, but lets be fair here. Am I a follower of Earnest simply because I say I am? Would you like someone saying, that psycho Earnest had people killing others for him - when really you had nothing to do with it?

And as far as your modern educated mind, I have a well rounded college degree and education. My highest aptitude score was 98% in the natural sciences, biology, geology, anthropology etc., and at the end of the day, I look around me at all the life that depends on other life just to exist and see two issues on the table here.

Evolution says life came from a hot molten rock.

Religion says life was created by an intelligent being.

I see interactive design and interdependant life forms - more evidence of a creator than clues given by chance. You see billions of years of trial and error to get it right.

If you want to believe you came from a rock by accident, that's fine, but when you look at it in its pure naked premise, your highly educated theory don't look so smart either, in fact it looks just as much like faith as mine does. So what gives you the right to say I am stupid and you're not?

"Hi I'm Earnest, I came from a lifeless rock." Hallelujah, Amen!

You've been deceived right out of an abundant life and you're so educated you can't even see it or make sense of it. So the answer is to reach across the isle and stomp over all those who see something different than you do?

Despite my personal feelings, I am going to give this hub a thumbs-up because its well written, I believe you were honest with your haughty, and contemptuos feelings towards christians, and you have generated quite a bit of attention. I believe you're sadly mistaken on several points but you have some I agree with too. - you did a good job at it, but you fail miserably with the "F off I don't want to discuss it with you attitude." I think you know you are full of it, and you're hoping someone will show you something you can grab on to. Regardless, I refuse to stop being your fan or reading your hubs simply because we disagree on what faith is. I welcome it. How else can we learn from one another? Today I learned my friend Earnst believes he came from a rock. He is just as much a person of faith, if not more so, than I am. It's just a different faith. The again, Jesus called himself the rock too. Interesting...

Cheers mate! Good reaction hub.

- Harlan

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Harlan Colt 6 years ago from the Rocky Mountains


I missed your above reply about your cancer. I wish I had seen it before I wrote the above comments. I would have responded somewhat differently. I lost a dear friend too and she was way too young. She left behind an 8 year old daughter. I have more understanding of why you feel the way you do and I can understand. I still disagree, but I do understand. I don't go to church because of all the crap you mention. I am much a loner in my faith that way. Churches can do as much to ruin one's faith as any college course in evolution. If you had bashed up on churches, I would have joined in, in some ways.

Cancer is one of my big wars in life. I am a strong advocate of fighting cancer on any and all fronts. It is a horrible and cruel disease. I am with you all the way on this, and I am sincerely thankful you are winning your war with it. Tomorrow, we'll see what my CT scan says.

Best wishes,

- Harlan

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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Thanks for the comment Harlan. You did good in going back and reading a bit more. I suggest you take a better look at my other experiences with religion.

I wish you all the best with your cancer. I had a very small chance with massive lypo sarcoma, but here I am!

Science uses scientific method, religion uses fantasy. Personally I cannot help but see science very differently to religious beliefs.

Simple really.

You would prefer that I believe in an invisible entity who is psychotic. The proof is in the bible. You worship a lunatic fairy!

I believe what can be reasonably explained supported by at least a pile of empirical evidence, and hopefully by common sense and deduction.

One we use everyday, the other has produced not one single piece of evidence for in 2000 years.

Faith is bullshit! Prayers don't get answered ..... ever.

How many prayers have been prayed daily since this rubbish was written by a bunch of old sexist goat herders in the bronze age?

How many have documented proof of volition? None. No not even one.....

By the way, if you read the quoran and the bible both gods are the same. The bible has a few less threats of killing and maiming, but otherwise the message is the same.

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Harlan Colt 6 years ago from the Rocky Mountains


I don't have a problem with the way you believe, I don't.

I even understand some of your points. On this side of the computer, I saw an article basically calling me and others like me a bunch of "spiritual retards".

I respect your side of the fence, But on this side of the fence, not all of us are loons, or uneducated simpletons.

Science. I love science and many of the advancements we have made with it. Note that I went for a CT scan.

Anyway, I decided I wasn't going to let it slide without some rebuttle. And I am glad I did. I have found some points of mutual interest and hopefully some mutual respect.

I am a christian, but I am not a monster or a loon, and I do not think you are either.

I do not see the same God in the Bible and the Quoran. My God is a kind and loving God with great mercy and patience.

He asks his people to go forth in his name and help people, to give them their coat if they need one, to feed them if they are hungry to care for them, etc. The god of Islam commands his followers to cut people's heads off slowly while they wiggle around in horror for a few minutes before they die.

I don't see that message in my bible.

Brie Hoffman posted a video recently of some 12 year old cutting off the head of a full grown man, while a bunch of head scarves held him down and chanted their satanic crap. The video makes me angry, and it makes me sick. I believe people like that do not deserve to live in this world, let them go get their 72 virigins a little early.

Anyway, we don't agree, what can ya do...

I do wish you the best with your situation, and thank you for the comments toward me.

- Best wishes mate,

- Harlan

Daniel Knight 6 years ago

"hate and vengeance as religion"

Look up the word "fault-finder" moron, try reading ALL of the Bible and not taking it out of context and ignoring every time it uses the word love, like LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF, DON'T HOLD A GRUDGE, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, BLESS THOSE WHO PERSECUTE YOU, IF ANYONE HATES HIS BROTHER YOU KNOW HE IS A MURDERER... Committed any sins lately, HYPOCRITE? And you're contradicting yourself idiot: you're taking your desire for revenge out on God whom you are illogically blaming for YOUR SINS MORON. HE IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR CHOICES. Stop contradicting yourself moron and stop hating God. Dur.

"The biblical account of god as written by humans is undeniably promoting a truly horrible psychopathic entity."

And using flowery language makes you right, right? Wrong NARCISSIST PSYCHOPATH. Merely, accusing others of what you, not even with hate and vengeance are does not make you right.

"Hate and vengeance."

And you know what that is right, oh perfect one, Oh God? Speaking of God moron, who made you God? Who made you the one to tell God, let alone the world, right from wrong? Why do narcissists like yourself repeatedly have to be told that basic fact: YOU AREN'T GOD MORON. REPEAT THAT TO YOURSELF OVER AND OVER AND OVER TILL IT FINALLY SINKS IN THAT YOUR FEELINGS DON'T DETERMINE FOR ME OR ANYONE ELSE WHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG, HYPOCRITE. God, stupid.

"I know this hub will alienate all the god fearing intellectually stuck of the world"

Awww he thinks making conniving statements and using "big words" makes him right: typical narcissist moron. Grow up idiot: big words don't replace genuine intellect. KNOW what the words that you use MEAN, not just the "big" words little kid, but the BASIC WORDS: EVIDENCE, TRUTH, JUSTICE, MERCY, LOVE, HATE, ANGER, JUSTICE, JUSTICE, JUSTICE, AND DON'T FORGET: REALITY. When you learn that that means, stick with the definition instead of repeatedly trying to warp it into a "name it and claim it" one, in which your mere faith, the force of your faith makes what is true or false (yeah: you're the deluded fanatic).

"and I do not give a rats arse."

Nah, you're not hateful and angry at all to say that you don't care if those who are religious, the very ones you are ranting at in hate, decide not to listen to your ranting. Contradict yourself much? And as usual, the PSYCHOPATH SAYS HE DOES NOT CARE, THE NARCISSIST SAYS HE IS ABOVE THOSE WHOM HE HATES. You're an obvious hypocrite.

"Don't like it? GO AWAY."

Immature, another trait of a narcissist. Poor little baby wants people to go away if they don't like what he says, because how dare those who believe in God NOT LIKE something, only you, oh God, may not like them or what they say or God, only you, oh high King of the Universe and King of Right from Wrong may be angry. What a hypocrite. If you don't like God, HIS universe, or HIS SONS AND DAUGHTERS, he will force you out and throw you into the darkness of Hell. You do not mock God, you do not tell God off, you do not tell God or his children to go away, that is your fate little whining kid.

"Why read this hub?, you have never read anything else you didn't already agree with."

Yawn. Because you have no substance in your argument, you fill it with childish ranting. Typical sign of a loser: they just rant childish conniving remarks and things of no use, things without evidence. You had your chance, and blew it and the rest of your rant will be ignored just as you asked of people who don't like ranting, baseless, contradictory, stupidity. You have to make up your mind self-condemned self-defeating moron: either you want those who know the truth to listen to your immature time-wasting ranting, or not, but since you want to be left in isolation just as you asked, so then God will isolate you.

"Do not judge: for with the judgment you use shall you be judged, and with the measure you use shall you be measured." - Jesus, in context, hypocrite judge.

Besides what I've just pointed out, you can further learn how not to contradict yourself and rant:

And another clue stupid: learn to use a search engine, and instead of only reading pages that say, "Why God wrong, nanny nanny, God bad b cuh he geh mad at me when do murder n steal n lie n babble, wah wah um uh um u go way if no likey me, um why u read dis rant uh yeah, oh dis is consrasisctions see it says jesus is man but den says he god um uh, christians all hypicrites dey do bad tings". Ok bigot? Grow up and learn to read and stop stereotyping fault-finding idiot.

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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Thanks for the comment Harlan.

I would like to point out to you that in the bible there are only about a thousand or so less threats like those you mention in the quoran.

My cancer is neither here nor there as far as my disbelief is concerned. My health is fine thank you.

Both books are the same to me after having studied both. Same psychopathic entities, different names. Religion is full of these threatening gods.

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Mark Knowles 6 years ago

Dear me.

So - calling some one a MORON is showing Christian love?

What don't these guys understand? If Christians did go about loving their fellow man instead of pointing fingers for supposed sins - we would not even be having this conversation, because everyone would think a typical Christian is a fantastic guy instead of a hypocritical, aggressive nutjob.

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Susana S 6 years ago

That last rant from Daniel just goes to show that the proven correlation between being a religious nut and low education levels is absolutely true!

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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Daniel, I could not have made a better case to support my disbelief than your post, so I have allowed it.

Thank you for your wonderful comment!

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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Hi Mark. Daniel does himself in the first line! "Look up the word "fault-finder" moron," I near fell off my fork laughing at this!

This is not a very clever line when thought about is it?

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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Susana you may be right about that!

He posts this assuming I would allow it! That amused me.

What is even more amusing is that he makes such a strong case against his own argument that I will not only allow it, but am thrilled to have it!

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agvulpes 6 years ago from Australia

Surely it must be a full moon?

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Daniel Carter 6 years ago from Western US

Brilliant comment by "Daniel Knight", proving how far religious condemnation and zealotism can go. It's so completely bewildering and odd to me that such "religious" people are somehow justified to break all the laws of "love" in the Bible to commit Christian sin toward others who disagree with them.

Very, very, very odd, insecure, troubled, tortured souls. Why doesn't their god help them since they obviously suffer so?

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sandra rinck 6 years ago

I just hope you don't let religion become the bane of your existence. You are better than that. :)

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Friendlyword 6 years ago from

Harlan: At least Daniel lets you know right off he's crazy and evil. You are a slippery one my friend. The Christian, Jewish, and Muslim God are all the same God. He is not the one responsible for the atrocities committed by those three Cults. By the way; the Christian Cult committed more atrocities than the Jewish and Muslim Cults Combined. Either way; they have nothing to do with God.

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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Hi ag. This is not a well unit that's for sure!

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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Hi Daniel. It is just a tad extreme!

I enjoyed it immensely!

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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Hi Sandra, thanks for dropping in. Fear not. I am much more interested in my children and grandchildren than most things. Except cars and motorcycles of course!

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SomewayOuttaHere 6 years ago from TheGreatGigInTheSky

...okay saw your post and of course had to read your hub and comments...interesting...especially the views about NA....someone had to say it!

I find some of the extremist views in NA come from broken people...lost and they found something to believe in or act like they believe in; but too bad they don't form their own opinion and rather just follow like sheep; some can be so uptight and seem to only focus on the 'word of god' with a skewed and strict interpretation - too bad that for some 'the words' make them angry and intolerant and I want to say 'take a pill' - life's too short.

I was raised Catholic - generations of us - family tradition. My parents did a good job of helping me understand their faith and then as a teen allowed me to form my own understanding of who I was, my beliefs and value systems....they were not extremists in anyway...year's later my beliefs and values continue to evolve..but they are just for me...and come from my heart and soul.

I despise it when someone knocks at my front door to tell me about their god. I never answer my front door because I know it will either be sales of goods or someone selling religion. I have answered the door in the past to just say 'I guess I'm going to hell; goodbye!' Selling it is in bad taste as far as I'm concerned. Why would anyone need to sell it?

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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Well SomewayOuttaHere, I was raised catholic as well, and busted out after I broadened my education.

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SomewayOuttaHere 6 years ago from TheGreatGigInTheSky

I like that, 'busted out' - I did too in my own way :) - a long time ago. I appreciate that my parents were okay with that too - breaking all of that tradition (that's all it was to me)and turning my back on it. My ex-spouse never understood that I had my own views and sometimes the difference in beliefs got in the way. I don't think he ever really agreed to disagree. I sometimes read your posts on the threads...and you definitely make me laugh when it's called for....I can't go to the religious threads very often because it is too much for me...I resist the's best I stay away.

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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Someway, I gotta say, making you laugh is high on my agenda.

I need to spend less time in those forums as well, I have hubs to write!

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lambservant 6 years ago from Pacific Northwest

You are so filled with anger and hate and turn around and accuse God of the same thing. God loves you whether you like it or not and that will never change. He is real whether you believe it or not. I will be praying for you that God will reveal His love for you. I appreciate your honesty though and your right to speak your mind. Some of the language in your comments are unnecessary. God bless.

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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

As I said before, I don't do hate. A waste of time and effort for nothing in my view.

There is no sky fairy, it's all in your terrified mind.

Save your prayers, I neither need nor want them!

I have been where you are, but had enough smarts and guts to look at myself and get past the bronze aged goat herders view of "love"

No person comes to a biblical belief without indoctrination.

Escaping from that indoctrination is uncommon.

Ironmistress 6 years ago

It is far easier to believe in a cruel and psychopatic God than in a kind, loving and nice God. Everything in the nature and in humanity tells - no, yells - about a brutal, cruel and psychopatic God.

We humans truly are the images of God: cruel, brutal, ruthless, murderous, callous, bullying, violent and depracve. If you don't believe, just read the world history.

Atheism is no solution. More atrocities have been performed by Atheist societies and more people have been killed by Atheist societies than by all religions combined.

I am a dysanthrope, since I know the human nature all too well. It is stupid thing to believe in God, but completely insane to believe in humanity. If I could have chosen, I would not have desired to be born in this world at all.

Ironmistress 6 years ago

God is a psychopath? So what. Get used to that. He is still God.

Do we really have alternatives? Either you believe in a cruel, callous, psychopatic God or you believe in murderous, brutal, deprave and insane humanity. Your choice. I choose the former.

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chatpilot 6 years ago from Bronx, NY

thanks for stopping by my hub "God is a myth!" I have two other hubs that you can check out just by going to see other hubs by chatpilot. I am glad that you liked it and I have also enjoyed yours as well. You were right, we have sort of gone down the same road. I think that anyone who is bold enough to examine the scriptures unbiased by faith will see it for what it is: a man made lie.

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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Thank you for your comments Ironmistress. Your stats on war suck! Less than 1% of criminals in US jails today are atheists, Hitler was a Christian by the way!

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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Thank you for your comment chatpilot.

I will read your other hubs, as I enjoyed the first one very much.

You are on my list for today if I can make time. I like to read thoroughly. A bit hard with 5 year old twin girls all over me!

They will tire of me soon, and go comb someone else's hair and jump on them!

Ironmistress 6 years ago

Hitler was not a Christian. Hitler was best described a Neo-Pagan. Christians do not plan murdering Pope nor exterminating the Christianity. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Robespierre all were Atheists.

I am not a Christian, by the way. There are other Monotheistic denominations than Christianity as well. God may be an a**hole, but He is still OUR God.

What comes to Atheism and atrocities on societal level, their track record is even worse than that of any religions. All Communists are Atheists - Atheism and Communism go hand in hand - and they managed to murder some 100+ million people in less than one hundred years.

What comes to the personal integrity, most prisoners and criminals in EU are completely irreligious, so called "weak" Atheists. Religion does not make good people better, but it does makes evil people less evil.

Face it. Human beings are animals - innately evil, utterly selfish and deprave to the boot. The very essence of humanity can be condensed to four words: lechery, laziness, stupidity and greed. Humans are not nice rational creatures, but nasty irrational b*stards. Trust me, I know what I am talking about. Left on their own devices, humans can only cause carnage, destruction and murder. My belief in humanity died already in school where I witnessed bullying so severe that it ended up in suicide. Nice critter this Homo horribilis, huh?

I grew up in a society where religion was a strict no-no and a source of mockery, denigration and assaults. Yet given to my personal experiences, I'd rather choose one where it is tolerated and even encouraged. Society without a religion is like a maddened psychopath without a straitjacket.

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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

I disagree with almost every word, and apart from the reality that Hitler was indeed a christian, it seems your hate is of mankind generally.

I love the intelligent lovely people I know, because I know how to be with them.

I see very little in the way of hate in my day to day life, and don't worry about things I can't change.

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Baileybear 6 years ago

you're not the first person here to refer to god as a despot - makes sense. Marisa had a good point - how if the christians just had the new testament, it wouldn't be so hard to swallow. Why people blindly believe, beats me

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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Baileybear, Nice to see you here.

The NT is just as ridiculous as the OT. The Jesus person who is quoted ad nauseam in the NT never wrote a word in his supposed life and contradicts himself constantly through his disciples. He also contradicts his father's word and his own.

The NT is as easy to dismantle as the OT. It is just more mythical hogwash.

Ironmistress 6 years ago

Earnesthub, Hitler was just as Christian as emperor Julian the Apostate. And what comes to humanity in general, my view on humanity is based on perception and experience rather than any rosy idealizations and imaginations. Remember also that Stalin was an expelled seminary student turned Atheist. Trotsky was an expelled yeshiva student turned to Atheist. Hardly good examples for an Atheist figurehead, huh?

If you disagree, I'd like you to also give good grounds and solid foundation for your argumentation. Mere intelligence doesn't make a man neither decent nor good. It may make him so, but it can also make him only more capable as a bully. Most notorious bullies, criminals and psychopaths are highly intelligent people. Hardly the kind with which you would like to socialize.

There is nothing to disagree on your view that God is a psychopath, but the humankind left on its own devices is even worse. Deal with that.

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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

I don't get the point you are making here. Are you suggesting that starting out life as a religionist leads to becoming a megalomaniac like Hilter, or Stalin?

If so, I can only agree with you. Insanity was there to begin with.

I also agree that intelligence has nothing to do with morality.

Mankind is no better or worse than his understanding of his own human condition allows.

Religion does not provide a road to morality, on the contrary it displays a lack of it throughout it's only apologists in the bible and quoran.

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tom_caton 6 years ago from The Desk

Priceless, I love it, as evidently several others do by the length of the comments list (though admittedly you may have a few haters there, I didn't check)

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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Hi Tom. thanks for the positive comment. Yes there are a couple of haters. I left their comments in as they say more about the hater than I ever could! lol

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tom_caton 6 years ago from The Desk

screw 'em. Let them rant, it's funny that the major religions have forgotten how it is to be the underdogs

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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

As if we could stop them Tom! lol

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Bruce_Leiter 6 years ago

Hi, earnestshub! I found your hub from a link that you put on another hub. I skimmed through this long hub. The question that occurs to me the most is, "Why are you so angry at 'religionists,' as you put it?" I would sincerely like to know the reasons for your antipathy to Christian believers.

You know that I have faith in the 3-in-1 God of the whole Bible and that I have many reasons based on the Bible's own assumptions. I also respect you, though we disagree.

From looking through this hub, I gather that your opposition to Christian beliefs seems to be based on many of your experiences. I too disagree with some of the approaches of professing Christians to people who are different from them. They are often not practicing the Bible's call for us to love everyone, including our enemies. But so what? All Christians are imperfect. To judge God because of some of his professing followers is unfair to him.

My question stands, "Why are you so angry at believers in any religion or belief system?" I believe that to be a fair question.

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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Bruce, to put this plainly, I don't judge god, the written word in the OT and NT do that without my help. You just need to read all of it, not just pick passages out that you like and living by them.

How can anyone ignore the disgusting crud that is written in these religious tomes supposedly inspired by a god?

I would suggest that you read the hub thoroughly then check it with your bible.

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just_curious 5 years ago

Wow. Wrote this two years ago? Man. I hope you've found some peace. I will say, you might be watching too much American televangelist tv. They're a vocal minority within a very diverse and free nation of many beliefs.

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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Hope I've found some peace??? Watching too much TV evangelism???

That's the thing about you religious fanatics. You can't speak without sounding smarmy and self obsessed.

I have peace. I have had it since I left the invisible sky fairy from the bronze age myth that you are so terrified of.

Lone Ranger 5 years ago


I am sorry you feel the way you do. Life here on the third rock is unpredictable and precarious at best. I think you would do well to see the world for what it is and not what you hoped it would be. But living in a world apart from God is also living in a world devoid of love, hope, warmth, and decency. The more people walk away from God the colder this world becomes spiritually.

There is a place that is devoid of God and it's called the Lake of Fire. If you want to go there you fact, just keep on the path you are on and you can live in your Godless, hopeless, loveless paradise for all eternity and you and your minions will not have to worry about what The Almighty has done to you ever again.

Earnest, from one man to another, you sound like a spoiled child throwing a temper tantrum. Get used to disappointment, mate. Life here is a test. Life is hard and it comes with a lot of pain, but how you deal with these trials, tribulations and temptations defines your character and you as a man.

I think it's funny that people want to do whatever they want and claim no responsibility or accountability for their actions and then blame The Almighty when things don't go right and the world goes to Hell. The Lord God Almighty gave you life and sustains your life and all you can do is curse Him? Doesn't sound like a good investment of your time to me, mate.

You see, this isn't heaven down here, mate,'s a war zone, where the souls of mankind are tested and purged through fire. God gave you free-will like he did everyone else since Adam, but it is humans and their blessed free-will that has blown it all sky-high. Many people think that Planet Earth should be and could be a heavenly paradise where all your dreams come true, not unlike a child in a candy shop. But it's not and it has never been a paradise since Eve exercised her free will by breaking Godly rules of conduct and mankind has been doing the same ever since.

I do not hear you ranting about the evil that lurks in the minds and hearts of women and men. How do you justify American women murdering 50 million babies the past 38 years? I think worldwide that number is half a billion over the past 100 years. Look at Stalin, Mao, Hitler and some of your favorite heros, who think of God as you do. Look how much death and destruction these little tyrants brought to the world. Sure, throw in the Roman Papacy...they murdered over 20 million souls as well, but you know what, they aren't real Christians or men of God either.

You have not proven yourself, mate, all you have done is shown that you can go off on a world-class tyrade and then blame God for giving people free-will after they mess things up and need to be punished. I see, however, that you have not held Satan liable for anything. Somehow I think there is a correlation here.

I don't know what else to tell you. You bitch, moan and groan as if you are the only one who has it tough. Get real! It is obvious to me that you don't know the God of the Bible even though you claim to have read it. Too bad, so sad. I am not going to hold your hand and tell you that you are okay or that your rant meant anything to me. Do you think The Almighty can be mocked by a senseless, weak-minded mortal who hasn't the slightest idea what the hell he is babbling about?

I will say this, my ill-tempered friend, be thankful that God has given you life, but remember he can revoke the privilege at any time. I have litte patience with people like you and it is people like you who have helped shape this world into the mess it is.

Arostotle said that anger can be useful, but only if one shows anger to the appropriate person, at the appropriate time, and only to the appropriate measure. Don't expect The Almighty to give you and your neighbor free-will and then blame Him for the problems you all create. I swear many adults grow-up just to act like damn children!

Having said all that,I will pray for you and I hope the scales fall from your eyes and God can soften your heart, because living such a bitter and angry life is such a waste...not only in this lifetime, but in the life to come.

Come on, mate, snap out of your funk; the world has kicked the crapola out of me since as far back as I can remember. I have suffered loss on every scale and at every turn. I have seen terrible things and I have done some things I am not proud of. But, I never, never, never, blamed God for my short-comings and I never blamed Him for the short-comings of my neighbor. He gave us this world and we are to be its caretakers, but greedy, power-hungry, arrogant, evil men and women, not to mention the dark forces they serve, are the ones worthy of your wrath. Should you be angry? Possibly, but you are barking up the wrong tree, my friend. Should you come around, I'll be there for you. Go in Peace.

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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Lone ranger, I read as far as the first myopic statement that was megalomanic.

You wrote:

"But living in a world apart from God is also living in a world devoid of love, hope, warmth, and decency. The more people walk away from God the colder this world becomes spiritually."

If you think this describes my life, you are very wrong.

Implying that I lack decency is an insult I will not let pass without comment.

That was a really stupid thing to say.

Lone Ranger 5 years ago


Forgive me for my brutal honesty and please understand that I say a lot of stupid things that are both factual and true.

Moreover, I think, perhaps, you will find that I am not your typical Marvin Milktoast Christian. I am far too educated and far too faithful to be shaken by wordly insults, philosophies, and theories. I've heard better apostate rants from better men, so hearing you spout-off is nothing new and nothing I cannot handle.

While in prison, I met all sorts of truly dangerous characters, but it is not within my nature to cower and because Christ stengthens me, I feel no fear. Because of The Lord's encouragement, I dare say that there is no one on this planet that can shout me down and only the grave will shut me up.

Indeed, if you reject The Almighty and His Only Begotten Son, you have rejected decency and you have chosen to walk in darkness not unlike Mao, Stalin, Hitler, etc.. The only question is to what extent you will take your godlessness.

Our Heavenly Father and His Only Son loves you enough to let you go your own way and say what you will. Having said that, you will kneel before Them on Judgment Day, but if you stay true to your destructive, self-serving path, there isn't anything The Lord can do for you that hasn't already been done.

God is not your enemy, Earnest, He is your Creator, Provider, Sustainer, and your Loving Father. You owe Him your allegiance, devotion and love. In return, He will give you the same including eternal life in paradise. But know this, The Almighty and His Beloved Son, Christ Jesus, is not the same god professed by other religions although some use His Holy Name for their own selfish, evil purposes.

I truly hope that you can get a grip on reality and come to your senses before it's too late. I lost a good friend who thought as you do and the knowledge of his demise crushed me. What a waste.

Earnest, I do not wish you harm, but I will not allow you to continue down this destructive path without holding you in check...just like a good friend would. Perhaps one day you will share with me the TRUE reason you are at war with God. A fool's folly is fighting a war that cannot be won and one that shouldn't be fought in the first place. But until then, go in peace and know that my prayers will be with you.

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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Your idea of better men than me would have to be a guess. You don't know me.

So far you, and your god only offer pathetic insults and scripture to prove scripture. You have nothing at all do you?

You can stick your prayers where the sun don't shine, and your hate filled crud as well.

I have apparently not rejected decency despite your gutless comment, as I am going to allow your comment and let you hang by your own lanyard.

Abusive crap!

Lone Ranger 5 years ago

Earnest said: "So far you, and your god only offer pathetic insults and scripture to prove scripture. You have nothing at all do you?"


I would hardly say that The Almighty offers pathetic insults...He's always good to His Word and He never misses His target.

Do you wish you had the power He has? Perhaps you think you could do a better job governing the universe? Perhaps you think The Almighty should take your counsel before He acts? Perhaps you think The Almighty should stop whatever He is doing when you speak, and perhaps God should be brought to tears when the almighty Earnest throws his poisoned darts heavenward?

I don't know, my pint-sized friend, I think it is foolish to go where angels fear to tread, but you seem hell-bent on your own destruction. Your hate has made you blind and your narcissistic conceit has made you arrogant. Who knows, perhaps you are too far gone already. It is true that The Holy Bible instructs its' adherents not to cast pearls before swine, but I had a few pearls to spare, and I had the time, so........

You see, I don't need to prove anything to you and neither does The Almighty or His Son. Who the heck do you think you are? Earnest who? You have opened up your cavernous yapper and have drawn a bulls-eye right where you don't want one to be. I've tried to warn you, but you seem to be in love with the idea of hating God. Where do you think this will lead? What do you think you can gain? What will be the end result?

Do not be decieved into thinking that The Almighty is shaken or stirred by your brash and irreverent commentary. He has seen billions of your kind before; you haven't been the first and you certainly won't be the last to curse His Majesty, while pumping your tiny fists in the air. It's really rather pathetic when you think about it.


Earnest unfortunately went on to say, "You can stick your prayers where the sun don't shine, and your hate filled crud as well."


Well, my prayers have been with you, because isn't your soul a place where the sun doesn't shine? So, I guess we are just being redundant here. And, if we are honest with ourselves, aren't you the pot that called the kettle black? Aren't you the one who opened up Pandora's Box with all your hate speech aimed at The Almighty and those who love Him? What kind of reaction did you think you were going to get?

Indeed, the world lives in spiritual darkness and I see creatures of darkness patting you on the back and itching behind your ears as if to say..."good dog". Know, therefore, that you have already received your reward in full. Swimming with the current doesn't take any effort and it certainly doesn't make you a hero or a revolutionary.

I have told you before, your kind does not accept responsibility for their own actions and then they blame God or someone else when things go wrong. Why is God always to blame for mankind's mistakes and poor judgement? Why can't these reprobates just get with the Godly program and get real?

Every action has a reaction, Earnest, so let us just hope, for your sake, that your hate-filled diatribe does not render an adverse reaction unto you. The Almighty and His Son are bulletproof and are completely immune to your poison arrows. Your predecessors at the Tower of Babel tried, in vain, to dethrone Him, but perhaps you think you have what it takes to succeed in this endeavor?

By the way, Earnest, you are the one who needs to prove The Almighty wrong. You are His pint-sized challenger, so where are the goods against Him? Outside of a lot of piss and wind, I have yet to hear anything credible or news-worthy coming out of your mouth. Come on, big shot, what do ya got?! Let us hear the charges a little ant can levy against the Mighty Mount Everest. Perhaps you think He should move out of your way when your paths cross, but I am inclined to think not.

By the way, I will be leaving for a spell, and I do not have internet connections where I am going, but I expect to see something earth-shattering upon my return. Please do not waste any more of my time with sophomoric jabs - I heard all the same stuff back in junior high school.

P.S. I do not hate you and no matter what you have done, Our Heavenly Father and Son are prepared to forgive you, if you are willing to repent and humble yourself before Their throne. I mean, you are going to kneel in complete submission one way or another, so you may as well do it now while you still draw breath. Does that make sense?

At any rate, I must be going now and please know that I typically don't allow myself the freedom to engage in verbal combat very often, but since you insulted the One I love most, I allowed myself to stoop. I suppose I would have received a negative reaction from you if I dared insult your mother, father, wife, child, girlfriend or what have you.

Be that as it may, I will continue to ask my Heavenly Father and His Son, my Lord, to forgive your insolent, irreverent behavior...because it is most obvious that you DO NOT know what you are doing! Come to terms with your anger, humble yourself before God, and then go in peace.

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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

You poor scared little god botherer!

Just because you have an invisible fairy running your live is no excuse to post gutless hate comments disguised as "love" on others hubs.

Go away and play with your fairies little man.

I have left your disgusting pile of word soup and abuse here so that others can see what a religious fanatic looks like.

Lone Ranger 5 years ago

Well, who's running the train wreck that has become known as "your life"? Enjoy it now, hot shot, because it only gets worse for you from here on out. Judging from your picture, you have already seen your best years and the downward spiral will only accelerate until you meet your eternal reward.

I listen to you regurgitating vomitous hate and worthless rhetoric, while exercising extreme vitriol, and then in true fashion you have the audacity to turn the tables and say that it is me who is spreading hate. I only returned your volley, cupcake, and then you started wailing like a banshee.

Put whatever spin you want on it, sweetheart, because it's obvious you don't have the balls to admit when you are wrong or that you made a mistake. You are so infatuated with your own opinion that you cannot handle it when someone challenges you...the almighty Earnest...lord of the flies.

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough...your hate-mongering doesn't bother me and your insults cannot penetrate my thick armour. I feel sorry for you and I don't know how to help you.

Earnest, you still have not told me why you hate The Almighty. Your hateful disposition really intriques me and I want to know more. Do you think you can stop yourself from frothing at the mouth for a moment and cut the tough-guy routine for a minute and tell me what your major malfunction is really about? My inquiring mind wants to know.

What are you scared of? Do you think you will lose your precious identity and lose yourself in His vastness if you dare follow our Creator? Is it because you think you can run your own life better than He can? Is it because you want to be worshipped and glorified like a god? Perhaps you are living in sin and apart from Godly standards, such that you want Him removed because your conscience is troubling you? It could be a million things, I know, but none of them are worth exploring.

I'll let you have the last word, because I know it makes you think you won something. Enjoy the rest of your life, Earnest, for whatever that's worth.

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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Approved! You see dipshit, you only get to comment if I say so.

I can't let an opportunity like this pass.

Here you are in all your glory!

Carry on.

You are a foul little god botherer aren't you?

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DoubleScorpion 5 years ago

Great Hub Earnest. One day hopefully we will see some enlightenment. :)

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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Thank you DoubleScorpion. I think it may be happening albeit very slowly.

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shannonhorn1 5 years ago from sarasota,fl

I could not help but think, you sooo stole my idea. LOL. No, really I believe that people are slowly coming to an understanding that religion imposes mans weakness on god's will and that no religion has truly figured out the "word" of God. Who ever sounds the best, gets the most sheep

Lone Ranger 5 years ago

Good night, Earnest, sleep well.

Kara 4 years ago

Some great comments. I am thinking about writing a book titled loving father or psycho God. So it is really good to see both sides.

J. 4 years ago

Whatever you want it from myself or not, anyone of you, this is of course the only thing that I can suggest: The Buddhism, A Good Self Philosophy That at least gives MYSELF a good idea to 'testify(!)' to being happy to exist as a good optimist, forever to be, greetings, 'J.',

anonymous 4 years ago

As a Christian whose faith has been weakened I categorize my beliefs as Process Theology. I coin the term Deficient Theism because I believe in a deficient God. Not so good. Hes not so moral. Hes not so loving. Hes not so mighty. Hes not so wise. The God of the Bible is a pychopathic homicidal genocidal egomaniacal tyrannical spiteful vengeful hypocritical incompetent irrational insane unreasoning unfair unjust unkind irresponsible negligent ruthless malicious monster whose cruelty and stupidity have caused eons of suffering death and all manner of evils cruelties and horrors. This insane God cursed and punished the entire creation for free will and Adam and Eves sin. Thats unfair unjust insane cruel and stupid to put it lightly. Innocent animals have to suffer and die for Adam and Eves sin. Its a travesty. So the world lost paradise and gained a hell with violence killing predation painful childbirth toil thorns venomous snakes centipedes spiders jellyfish mosquitoes ticks tapeworms mass starvation hurricanes tsunamis birth defects etc. Human nature was corrupted because of free will and Adam and Eves sin and theres violence crimes wars genocides. The world is a hellhole and a horror movie because of free will and Adam and Eves sin. This is disgusting. Take your free will and shove it Fundamentalists. Screw your free will. Free will has ruined human nature and has ruined the creation and we have a God who takes a hissy fit because Adam and Eve ate a firbidden fruit eons ago. This cruel unreasoning unjust unforgiving God decides to flush the entire creation down the toilet. This irresponsible God has abandoned His creatures and has abdicated the world to the Devil.This God cant manage His creation in a merciful humane intelligent constructive manner. No. All this God knows how to do is PUNISH PUNISH PUNISH and His punishments are monstrously cruel inhumane and BEYOND what we can imagine. Horrible diseases such as cancer malaria ebola anthrax etc tortures and kills man and beast day after day and year after year. Im physically ugly and cant get a girlfriend and I suffer from endless loneliness. A loving merciful God would not be allowing this. This God is an absentee landlord. If blame is going to be thrown on Satan the Devil or Demons then why is God allowing these evil entities to tamper with and ruin God's creation? How irresponsible immoral insane and stupid to allow the Devil and demons all this freedom to screw and ruin the creation. If hell or eternal punishment is the fate of most people after death then this makes the Biblical God into the worst monster imaginable. Consider that. An eternal torture chamber with fire worms suffocation demons and Satan where human sinners will be roasted like charcoals forever. Its sick sadistic fiendish diabolic malevolent monstrous inhuman cruelty beyond imagining. I would imagine there are more merciful humane and intelligent ways to punish human sin than this. Unfortunately all the Biblical God knows is cruelty. Cruelty incompetence stupidity irrationality insanity negligence ruthlessness and destructive are His ways. Human nature isn't going to heal by itself and Narure's defects and screwups isn't going to heal by itself. God has to heal it. Unfortunately this God doesn't know how to heal and He has no merciful intelligent solutions. All this God knows is cruelty and negligence. The Biblical God is not allgood. Hes partly evil or a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. This can be seen in His behavior and in the Narure He created. He supposedly hates violence and killing and yet He inflicts and orders violence and killing by the millions in the Bible and the Nature He created is full of violence and killing. Hes a hypocrite who does what He forbids and who forbids what He does and He creates what He forbids and He forbids what He creates. Its a morally conflicting contradictory confusing morally incomprehensible morally impossible God with more contradictions within Him than Charles Manson. The Bible and the Koran are both full of contradictions and are vague ambiguous unclear. Why cant this God communicate with us humans in a clear manner? Why continue allowing all this disagreement division confusion aggravation alienation hatred and wars in the name of religion? Each religion and each denomination and each church believes that only they are right and everyone else is wrong. Its an embarrassment. What a dunce we have for a God. This incompetent God cant do much of anything right. This egomaniacal God tortured and killed countless Egyptians by hardening Pharaohs heart. Yes He delivered the Israelites from slavery but He did it in a sick cruel insane immoral stupid manner. And He kills thousands of His Israelites for complaining about the harsh conditions of being in a wilderness and desert. Whew. With friends like this God who needs enemies? A God or a person or any being who tortures and kills has hit the lowest of the low. This egomaniacal God expects us to live like religious fanatics like Jesus and to forget about our worldly needs desires and drives. Total denial abstinence privation deprivation povery misery martyrdom blind faith blind trust and perfection are expected from each person. This is out of touch with reality. The Bible is out of touch with reality. I suffer from endless unrelieved loneliness as theres not an iota of hope of getting a girlfriend. I have to suffer because of free will and Adam and Eves sin. Its NOT my will preacher. I have to suffer for something that two ignorant humans did thousands of years before I was even born. This is a TRAVESTY. This is the stupidity and insanity taught by our religion. This God of the Bible is an unjust unreasoning insane cruel monster. Its an embarrassment. The Devil rules this screwed up world and not a loving God. Maybe God is good but He is not in control of whats going on in the world. Maybe the Gnostics are right or are closer to the truth and there is a total Dualism within creation. Maybe the Devil and demons are stronger and smarter than given credit for and its the Devil who is winning this war. Theres alot to fear and alot to worry about.

Phil 3 years ago

There's many commenters on this hub that know ABOUT God, but to KNOW God is quite another matter. It takes Humility, Faith, and Gratitude for the gift of life and the possibility of eternal life which only God's Son can offer to all mankind, to read the Bible in proper context in order to get the Greatest Story Ever Told right.

That begins with establishing where the Bible came from, who authored it, and to whom does God give the authority to correctly interpret it. After all, it didn't just fall out of the sky like Manna from heaven. Council of Rome 382 AD.

Appointing one's mind as the center of the universe is not a good way to start out, and a very bad way to end one's life on earth.

The 3 Concerns of most importance: Humility, humility and humility.

Faith and Reason 3 years ago

The angry atheist


I think the late Christopher Hitchens' screed against Mother Teresa, his unmanly attempt to pulverize the reputation of the Albanian nun who gave her life to tending Calcutta's dying poor, was the low point of his otherwise stellar output. It was a wretched addition to the bloated "trying too hard" or "look at me" school of contrarian commentary that illustrated, with needless vigour, the other sad category of anti-god apologetics — the "I'm so angry other people are so stupid for believing in God and are therefore not as smart as me" stream. (The comic Bill Maher occasionally travels himself with them, as per his movie, the puerile Religulous.)

Anger seems a common condition among this kind. Hitchens' grim, self-advertising equal, Richard Dawkins, is a very bundle of anger and aggressiveness. Dawkins can be quite the toad, a kind of Don Rickles for unbelievers. He appears not so much as a person who subscribes to a particular philosophy or worldview as someone who cannot abide the thought that others do not wish to think the same as he. There's something almost fanatic about the intensity with which he derides and insults Christians and other faiths (but, it seems to me, mostly Christians).

Such "professional" atheists also display an unseemly infatuation with being regarded as victims. When they are not being superior and angry, their more frequent pose, they are whining that their non-beliefs do not receive the respect or standing of their opposites. They cannot stand to be reminded of the mere presence of what they have absolutely no regard for. A strange posture.

From this sad corner emerge all those hollow laments about Christmas and the creches. Or wanting to strip any and every sign of the Judeao-Christian inheritance from schools, courts and public meeting places. They claim a near-allergic response to even the least intrusive manifestation of religious belief, and an especial revulsion to being reminded by any traditional emblem of faith in any place when they might even see one.

They can be very prickly on this stuff. They have mastered the art of bewailing their discomfort at a breach of that great standby in such matters, their "human rights." Actually, of course, the comforts of religion, for believers, are not "human" rights at all, but the mercies of a benevolent God. Thankfully, these fall outside the reach of any tribunal to grant or grieve.

Evidence of this prickly, acutely self-regarding perspective comes from the U.S., where a group of forlorn and (by their measure) much put upon atheists are making angry demands that atheists in the military be granted their own chaplain.

Other than the whiny schoolyard temper-tantrum logic of "He's got one, so I want one too," what has this silly demand got going for it? How can a system of thought built on the not believing of/ in something, on the nonexistence of any god, require the services of a chaplain, a — need the qualifier be emphasized? — spiritual counsellor. Chaplains offer mediation on the supernatural, the afterlife, the individual's relation with the/a creator.

Very odd, to say the least. But, as usual, the professional non-believers see themselves as much put-upon and ignored. They claim, in fact, to be (within the Army) more numerous than "Jews or Hindus or Buddhists or Muslims."

It's very telling they make this comparison, for here, as in much else of modern atheism, they betray the need to be seen in the very category of those they derogate: a religious one. Why should those who don't believe at all clamour for the same structures, assists and services of those who in fact do believe? Funny, you never hear them wishing for their own Hell.

After all, to chase the religious analogy to its limit, then they should equally be asking for prayer, the remission of sins, occasional fasts and Lenten exercises, and at least Sabbath and Sunday services. At which, under clouds of incense, they could intone from the works of George Orwell and Thomas Huxley and chant a hymn: Our Dawk, who art in the Guardian, and always on the BBC, hollowed be thy fame, thy royalties come, thy shill be done ..."

When atheists wail for a chaplain, when they lament their status vis-á-vis Buddhists, Muslims, Jews and Christians, we have a group athirst for what they otherwise proclaim they despise. They unwittingly manifest an admiration and hunger for religion and its many solaces, and proffer anger as a cover for envy.

On the actual question itself, that of chaplains for non-believers, there is little need to pronounce. It is ludicrous. Only those seeing through a glass, darkly, could make such a claim in the first place.

Supercod 3 years ago

IsraelAugust 2, 2012 The USB port for Rock Band is an adapter that awlols you to plug in more USB cables, and yes, you have to have it to play all your instruments at once. The bundle comes with it. You can't use your PS2 guitar controller on the PS3.

Shiva 3 years ago

The return of Jim Ball to 2GB is great news. It now means I dont have to move to anoehtr station at midnight only to come back to GB at 3.30AM for Andrew. Congratulations to 2GB for their wisdom in enticing JIm to come back home , congratulations also to Jim for comiing back. Melbourne will also appreciate your presence. Stephanie should also be thrilled.

David 3 years ago

I remember in priamry school in W.A watching the race in class trying to pick the winner, not knowing about the holliday. Now I plead with the school's to show the race again or risk more of what I was doing later wagging, 1st/Tue/Nov

Joram Arentved 22 months ago

If God is perfect, per sé, His Perfection is His Selfishness That meanwhile offers me no evidence, whatsoever that I can count on His 'Famous' Palace,

greetings, J.A.,, note: People may not always agree w. me, so they offer me no idea, whatsoever that I can 'testify(!)' to being happy, till His Hobby, Money, will cease to exist, money: The root of whatever evil act, whatever He wills it or not!

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George Arthur 19 months ago

It's mid boggling that in 2015, with all the incredible advances we have seen in science, billions of people still believe in Bronze Age fairy tales. Scripture was obviously written in a Bronze Age, male dominated society, where women had absolutely no rights, and were subject to the whims of men.

The scriptures speak for themselves; if a woman is raped it is only required that the rapist pay the father and take the woman. This is only one example of the insanity of these ancient writings.

God is also a psychopath who drowns everyone for turning out exactly the way he knew they would for he knows all things. Believing in this garbage is so deluded it's extremely difficult to grasp how ministers can convince people this is all true, and get them to give the church their money.

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