True Revival or Chirstian Hype

I suppose this will anger some people, but I cannot deny Scripture. "God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar....." Much of what we call the working of the Holy Spirit today is anything but the work of the Holy Spirit.

There are two elements in church worship that have no place, but we have been taught differently. We are warned in Colossians 2:8 not to give heed to vain philosophies and traditions of men. I hope you will be honest enough to search for the truth for yourself and not allow a church doctrine to influence you. It is not my goal to be unkind or judgmental--just to expose error that can hurt.

Speaking in Tongues

The gift of tongues is terribly abused today. We must understand the the gift of tongues was given for one purpose--that of witnessing. When tongues were given in Acts 2, they were given so that people could hear the Gospel. I Corinthians 14:22 tells us that tongues were given for a sign. Further we are told in I Corinthians 1:22 that signs were given to the Jews. Rule number one:If we are not witnessing to a Jew, do not expect a miraculous utterance. Face it. That is not the way tongues are used in 99% of today's churches. Bible tongues are languages used for the communication of the Gospel.

Rule number two: I Corinthians 14;27 tells us that there is to be no more than three utterances of a spoken language in any one service and each must be accompanied by an interpreter. I have personally been in services where most participants were "speaking in tongues" at the same time, and certainly no one was interpreting. My friend, God is not the author of confusion.

I hear someone say, "Tongues is evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit". Never once is it recorded that Jesus spoke in tongues according to today's methods.Be assured, He was Spirit-filled.

Slain in the Spirit

Just exactly what someone experiences when they are slain in the spirit I do not know. What Bible passages are used to establish the doctrine? There is absolutely no evidence for this practice from Scripture when we take the Scripture in the context of which it is given. It grieves my heart that God's clear Word has been twisted and misinterpreted to allow all kinds of confusion in the church. Oh, how I pray that we would just turn to God for who He is without the hype, without the emphasis on emotion and experience. God is holy and is to worshiped in a holy way.

I just came home from a Prayer Summit held at Calvary Bible Church in Centre Hall, PA. The weekend was led by Evangelist Tom Palmer. God was moving and His presence was very noticeable and real. Matthew Skariah was the keynote speaker. He spoke with the the power and authority of God, pulling us all closer to the Lord. We were all very conscious of the Lord's actual presence.

God met with us in a real, tangible way. No one fell backwards. Not a tongue was spoken, or an interpretation given. No extracirricular hyping of the crowd--just a sense of the overwhelming presence of God.

If we truly meet with God, the "fluff" will not matter. Oh please understand. I am not criticizing. That is not my place. I am not judging. That is not my place. My only desire is to call you to the One and Only True God. Worship Him and Him alone.

This hub just skims the surface of these topics. If you have any questions and are truly seeking answers about these matters or anything else, please drop me an email. I would be glad o discuss it further.


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Tamarajo 5 years ago from Southern Minnesota

In the early 90's I got caught up in the "renewal" movement for a short time which included many strange activities and so called manifestations. I concluded that the experiences were questionable in that I did not see lives changed by it including my own. I was not desiring to read and pray more as was stated this movement would do.

I have since learned that these so called manifestations may actually be the fruits of another religion called Kandulani of which I want nothing to do with.

Since that time I am largely leary of professed moves of the Spirit that include what you have called "Hype"

A gal once told me that in the scriptures the only people who fell backwards in the presence of the Lord were His enemies. His true worshipers fell to their knees or on their faces as an act of worship and humility.

I did however attend services as a teenager where people spoke in tongues and it was interpreted. There really didn't appear to be any confusion involved and the messages were scriptural and at the time fitting. I don't see or hear much about it anymore.


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lambservant 5 years ago from Pacific Northwest

I am glad to hear this message. I don't agree with some of what you said, but the bottom line to me is that speaking in tongues in church is so misused and abused that it creates chaos and a total distraction from the word of God. The slain in the spirit is not biblical, at least not in the way the pentecostals do it. Show me in the Bible where there is an assembly line of people waiting to be slain in the spirit on cue. The Holy Spirit does not work on demand. The only times in the Bible you see anything like being slain in the Spirit is when someone, like Daniel, is in the very presence of God, alone, not in a group of thrill seekers, and God speaks to him aloud. He falls down in humility, not to convince people he has a special gift, therefore a very special spiritual person.

And I would say the same for the Holy Laughter movement. I went to an evening church service with some friends who were always raving about the move of the Holy Spirit. Red flags were waving so I went one night out of concern for them to see what was up. The music went on for an hour and a half. The worship band called their music Spirit led, therefore, the Holy Spirit led them to play one song for 20 minutes and the words just came out random. Then it came time for a message, which was doctrinally not quite right. Then it was prayer time. On cue, everyone started speaking in tongues, prophesying, and anything else you could think of. The pew in front of me was about 10 people linked arm in arm laughing themselves silly. As the minutes went on they got more raucus and one guy elbowed me somehow. All of a sudden the pew flipped over backward, still they kept laughing and started rolling on the floor. The pastor said, "Oh people the Holy Ghost is working powerfully." What blatant disrespect, downright blasphemous. No one was focused on God, they were focused on who could be the most outrageously behaved under the so-called power of the Holy Spirit.

One more incident, a friend years ago invited me to a bible study with some women I didn't know. It was in a home. After a potluck we studied the Bible and it seemed okay. Then it was time for prayer. It was like a power switch was turned on...in the CRAZY mode. Instantaneously there were tongues, laughing, and I kid you not, a woman was crawling around on the floor lauging and snorting like a pig. I was outraged and left in the middle of it all. My friend followed me out concerned about why I was leaving. I told her I was so offended and broken hearted by what they were doing and that the Lord was no where near to be present in the room. I pleaded with her not to get mixed up in this kind of stuff. She went back in.

These people are not following Christ, they are not following the Holy Spirit, they are follwing strange, man-made phenomona, euphoric ecstacy, signs and wonders. It is sad, it is blasphemous.

That being said, I do believe in speaking in tongues and do in fact do so, in the privacy of my own home. It edifies me as the scripture says. I don't do it on the very rare occasion when I visit a church that turns it on and everyone does it all at once. It to me is too distracting, chaotic, and does no one any good cause no one, believer or unbeilver knows what anyone is saying unless there is an interpreter. On the rare occasion that someone does interpret, they give a prophecy. Speaking in tongues is not a prophecy, it is praise to God. Thank you for being courageous and speaking on this subject. I love the Lord, and His Holy Spirit and would rather honor him with my life or reverence than to act like a loony toon.


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aguasilver 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

My only real comment is that you are a braver man than I am, to have the courage to declare what is of the Holy Spirit, and what is not.

There are many excesses in Churchianity, but fortunately God knew that before we started, and has used Churchianity to hide His people within.


Michael Adams1959 5 years ago

Amen brother, glad you put this out for all to read, I agree 100%


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lifegate 5 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

TJ,

You said, "I have since learned that these so called manifestations may actually be the fruits of another religion called Kandulani of which I want nothing to do with." Thank you for bringing that to our attention. I've never heard of Kandulani before and I would guess neither have many other people. It would do us good to check into it. Thanks again for your visit and comment.


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lifegate 5 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

LS,

Thanks for stopping by and leaving your comment. You're absolutely right. There is so much confusion in churches today that certainly doesn't honor God. I will say that confusion is not limited to the things I mentioned, nor to the churches that are usually associated with that kind of activity. God is not the author of confusion for sure.

I'm glad that can be edified by speaking in tongues, if only in private. Biblical tongues always manifests itself in a language that can be understood such as Spanish, French, etc. Unfortunately I have enough trouble praying in English much less a foreign language. I'm glad you took the time to read and respond. Thanks LS. You're a blessing to me.


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lifegate 5 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

aguasilver,

There certainly are many excesses in the churches today--much more than just the two I pointed out, and I believe they all grieve the Holy Spirit. My church is not exempt and I must be careful and diligent to recognize them all. Thanks for stopping by.


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lifegate 5 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Michael,

Thanks for the visit. It's always great to hear from you.


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lifegate 5 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

TJ,

I just took this from a testimonial on a Kandulani site. Sound familiar? "Soon as you put your hands on my head it felt very powerful, then I felt as if I was falling backwards gently, in slow motion but I wasn't worried about it. Resting afterwards I felt warm and cosy... the sensation of movement within me like a fast flow of water swirling down a plug hole! I felt sooooo ... liquid! - like I'd just melted." I wonder where Jesus was in all of this?


"Quill Again" 5 years ago

Great Hub Brother... love the way you have put it to words. I think we have all experienced activities such as these in the Churches we have visited. Are they Biblical, if they can not be found in Scripture then I think the answer is obvious. God calls us to worship in an orderly manner, unlike some we see... not for me to judge but for me to avoid.

Blessings and Hugs for the Word Brother


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lifegate 5 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

QA,

I love the way you have put it to words, "...not for me to judge but for me to avoid. That says it all for me! Thanks for the visit.


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Tamarajo 5 years ago from Southern Minnesota

yes all of the descriptions of Kandulani were eerily familiar the experiences of that movement. It was so easily received I think because we are culturalized to seek experiences and emotional experience over genuine relationship which requires our humility, submission, and cooperation.


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cristina327 5 years ago from Manila

Excellent hub voted up and useful Thank you for bringing this out into the light. There is so much hype in the practices of today's modern christianity.Thank you for pointing these things out. God bless you for your courage to make an exposition about it. Remain blessed always. Best regards.


exjwlaurie 5 years ago

Excellent hub Bill!

I have to say--I find the whole 'speaking in tongues' thing a bit creepy. If I were attending a Church, and people began wildly speaking in foreign tongues, I would head for the nearest door.

God never uses gifts such as this without a specific purpose, and it must always glorify Him. And it must also 'edify' the hearers. The Holy Spirit doesn't do Birthday parties, meaning he doesn't show up--just to entertain the gatherers.

So if I passed someone in the midst of such a manifestation, as I headed for the door--I would ask them- "Is Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior?" Because in 1 Co 12:3 Paul says, "no one can say "Jesus is Lord" except by the Holy Spirit".

I appreciate you for taking on a issue that most of us stay away from. Good hub!


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lifegate 5 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Cristina,

Thanks for the visit and the vote. I'm always glad to have you stop by.

Laurie,

I'm sure some of these people mean well, but they're missing the blessing of just being in God's presence. I liked your line, "The Holy Spirit doesn't do Birthday parties".Leonard Ravenhill once said that entertainment is a replacement for God's joy. If we constantly need to be entertained, do we really have the true joy of the Lord? Thanks for stopping by. I have to wonder!


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Alexander Mark 5 years ago from beautiful, rainy, green Portland, Oregon

Agree that the gift of tongues in public was all about communication - for edification. I do wonder about what the Bible says about speaking in tongues in private - saying that if you do, it should be between you and God and no one else - because vain babbling doesn't edify. So that is one area that seems to allow for the babble version of tongues, but in any case, the Bible makes it clear that the gift of tongues is for edification, and there should be 2 or 3 to interpret - meaning again that if the congregation doesn't understand what you are saying, whether with their own ears or through interpreters, then it isn't of God. Everything should be done orderly as God is a God of order. Good hub, makes me think.


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aguasilver 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

Does this count a scripture?

1 Corinthians 14:38-40

King James Version (KJV)

But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Let all things be done decently and in order.


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lifegate 5 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

aguasilver,

I'm not sure I understand. What do you mean by, "does this count a scripture?"


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lifegate 5 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Alexander Mark,

Thanks for the visit and comment. Nice to have you aboard. When you mention speaking in tongues in private. What scripture are you refering to?


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aguasilver 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

I mean, we are agreed that it is imperative to obey scripture, and tongues are clearly defined in scripture.

"forbid not to speak with tongues." seems clear enough.

John


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lifegate 5 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Yes, when Scripture is compared with Scripture, and taken in context tongues is a gift given to the church. Every case of Biblical tongues involves a language that could be understood for the purpose of witnessing.

There is a Russian woman in our church and when she speaks Russian to another Russian or uses an interpreter, she is speaking in Biblical tongues.

Many people today (not all) use a jibberish which is not understandable either to the speaker or anyone else. No one is edified and confusion ensues. I recall an incident in a church where someone was speaking in tongues completely unknown to all but one missionary. This man was cursing God in the language this missionary understood. I know many people would not want me to say this, but...well, in that case it wasn't the Holy Spirit, it was demonic.

I've also heard of classes where they teach you to speak in "tongues". Biblical tongues is a gift given, not acquired by lessons. There's a lot that could be said. The bottom line is that Biblical tongues are widely abused today and do not follow the Scriptual guidelines. Maybe I'll work on a hub addressing the Scriptual guidelines. Thanks for stopping back.


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Alexander Mark 5 years ago from beautiful, rainy, green Portland, Oregon

Thank you for allowing me to expound a little. I extrapolated the meaning from 1 Corinthians 14:2

"For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries."

So that means there is a version of "speaking in tongues" that is not meant for edification and does not fit in to the category of needing an interpreter - meaning that that sort of speaking in tongues should be done in private if we heed scripture about speaking in tongues in assembly. This means there is a speaking in tongues that is not for edification, but for communication between God and an individual and it is like babble for anyone listening.

This is not the same as the kind of babble you hear in modernistic churches. Looking at scripture, when gathered together, if one person is speaking in tongues, 2 or 3 are interpreting AND another person that is compelled to speak in tongues must stay silent (1 Cor. 14:30 - "If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.").

I believe the babbling version of speaking in tongues is implied because in this chapter, speaking in tongues is contrasted with prophesying (preaching), which tells me that if that section was talking about speaking in another language, it wouldn't have focused on comparing tongues with prophesying because prophesying can be done in any language. It also emphasizes the complete uselessness for edification if speaking in tongues was done without interpretation, so that also tells me it was not the same kind of speaking in tongues that occurred when everyone was able to understand the apostles in their own language - so it has to be the babbling kind.

Just to clarify, I personally have never spoken in tongues (babbled) and I do not feel compelled to, but I believe that some people are doing it and that it is not unBiblical, except that they are doing it out of order and not for the edification of their brothers and sisters but themselves in an assembly which is wrong.


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lifegate 5 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Alexander Mark,

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I've been busy with things at church. Anyway just a few thoughts to share concerning I Corinthians 14:2--"For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries."

I appreciate the fact that you use Scripture, but we must look beneath the surface to understand what Paul is saying. I'll get to it a little later, but the context of this verse is that of speaking and prophesying in the church. This verse does not represent a private "prayer" language.

As I mentioned above, Biblical tongues were languages. Paul uses the Greek word glo?ssa which means a language, specifically one naturally unacquired. That is, a language other than our native tongue such as Spanish, French, etc.

Seconly, the word "unknown" appears in italics in the King James Bible. Italicised words in the KJV indicate a word not contained in the original text. The word has been added by the translators to aid in understanding. The italicised words can easily be removed and the meaning is not changed. We could quote the verse as such--"For he that speaketh in a tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God. They speak not unto men because men don't understand the foreign language that is being spoken, but God does. "Unknown" in this case refers to the language being unknown to the hearer.

Next we must look at the word "mysteries". Here Paul uses the Greek word muste?rion which means "secrets". Certainly if no one understands what is being said but God, then these are secret things.

Now--the context. Verse 1 tells us, "Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. The word "rather" is key here. It means "more, to a greater degree". In other words, we should desire the spiritual gifts, but more so we should desire to prophesy. Prophesying is not a private matter. Then we come to verse two as I explained above. Verse 3 and four follow--"But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church." The emphasis is placed on edifying the church, not an individual edifying himself through tongues.

If I speak Spanish in an English speaking assembly, I'm the only one being edified because I'm the only one that knows what I'm saying (other than God). Notice also in verse two it mentions speaking, not praying in private.

So when all things are considered we see Paul saying that if I speak in a foreign language in a church with no interpreter then I'm only speaking to God and I am the only one that is edified.

Hope that helps!


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Alexander Mark 5 years ago from beautiful, rainy, green Portland, Oregon

Yes that helps alot. Now I am the one who is sorry it took so long to get back to you, but I knew I needed to sit down and study before I could understand this and respond properly.

I have a concordance and looked for myself as well and found what you were talking about. What amazes me is that I just needed to change my perspective on that chapter - especially the words, "unknown tongue."

The funny thing is that I am doing research about the origins of the Bible and just barely starting to understand what the Textus Receptus is. During the course of this recent research, I discovered what you mentioned, which is that the italicized words in the KJV are added by the original translators to clarify the meaning of a sentence or word. Before this, I had no idea why those words were italicized or that the original translators had put them there!

Now I look at the entire section concerning the unknown tongues and edification to not be related to the babbling practices in charismatic churches at all, but as a commentary on a possible problem in the early churches and moreover that God is a God of order and that we should act out his example (and that babbling in the spirit is just another form of language disorder in a church service).

Thank you thank you thank you for your hub and for responding to my comment (and taking the time to research to answer me). This has clarified the babbling tongues question for me - to be clear, I agree with you now, the modern version of speaking in tongues is unBiblical!


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lifegate 5 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

AM,

I'm praising God for the way He works in our lives. He is always faithful in revealing his Word to us as we travel this journey together. Thanks for getting back to me.


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voice of one 4 years ago from Illinois

Lifegate, I can and do understand your concerns over the use of speaking in tongues today in a lot of churches. I myself have seen over the years a lot of foolishness when it comes to the Holy Spirit and tongues being used. I am thankful that I was raised up in an independent Pentecostal Church where my dad was the pastor for 19 years. It was a small church around 40 to 50 people attending. I was 16 when my dad became our pastor and 35 when he moved on. So you can see who influenced my life as a young Christian. I have been in the ministry for 32 years and accepted my calling at 22. I have preached in a few churches in my life and have seen some dumb stuff. I received Christ as my savior at the age of eight and received the infilling of the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues at the age of 12. There are two different experiences which can be proven according to scripture. I am not here to argue about this subject but I have experienced the precious Holy Spirit/Ghost in my life. I have been speaking in tongues in my private prayer life over some forty years as the scripture says: “But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost” (Jude 1:20). “Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered” (Romans 8:26). “Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints” (Ephesians 6:18).

There is a private tongue that each person has after receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost to build yourself up in the Spirit. I have prayed in tongues before in private for hours and have sung in tongues and have interpreted to myself at times. One thing I did appreciate about the church where my dad was the pastor, he never allowed foolishness when it came to the move of the Holy Spirit in a service. There was no one ever slain in the spirit because we didn’t believe in it. Besides I don’t see parents knocking down their children to the ground to bless them with something and our heavenly Father doesn’t either. There was no rolling on the floor or kicking pews over. There was no running around the church like a mad man. We did however speak in tongues when we would worship the Lord as one body but not so loud that you couldn’t hear yourself think if you know what I mean. There were times folks would to give a message in tongues and someone would interpret the tongues. There were times someone would use the gift of prophecy speaking in the known language. Everything was done in decent and in order by the scriptures or dad would say something about it. We were a small church but very well versed in the Bible because of strong leadership. Something the church lacks today. I have witnessed my dad using 7 of the 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit with nothing being out of line according to the Word. No we were not super Christians and to think your self of being that way is foolishness. We had great respect for the moving of the Spirit in our services. In my life time, I have had the opportunity by the grace of God through the Holy Spirit to use 6 of the 9 gifts and I am thankful to the Lord in using me as an instrument in his Kingdom. My second comment has to do with your Hub.


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voice of one 4 years ago from Illinois

Lifegate:

First, I want to address the part where you say, “I hear someone say, "Tongues is evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit". Never once is it recorded that Jesus spoke in tongues according to today's methods.Be assured, He was Spirit-filled.” Was Jesus baptized in the Holy Spirit or even Spirit-filled or did the Spirit abide on him without measure? Matthew recorded the Spirit lighting upon him, Mark said it descended upon him, Luke said it descended upon him, and John recorded the Spirit abode upon him (Matthew 3:16, Mark 1:10, Luke 3:22, John 1:32). None said he was filled with the Spirit. John said, “For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him” (John 3:34). What set Jesus apart from all others working under the law covenant was he had the Spirit staying upon him at all times without measure when others under the law of the Old Testament would only experience from time to time of the Spirit coming upon them. Samson is a good example how the Spirit would come upon him from time to time to do great things by the Spirit of God for the people of Israel. Jesus worked through the Spirit in his ministry while he was here and I trust most people should know that. When the scribes and Pharisees brought unto Jesus a woman taken in adultery and they had set her in the midst of them all and commanded her to be stoned to death according to the law. What did Jesus do? He stooped down to write on the ground waiting on the answer from the Spirit that was abiding on him not hearing them. The Spirit gave him the answer: He that is without sin among you let him first cast a stone at her (John 8).

Jesus was the giver of the Holy Spirit for the New Covenant because he said, “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you” (John 16:7). When Jesus walked the earth the Holy Spirit wasn’t even here in his fullness.

Once Jesus died upon the tree and rose from the grave the New Covenant started. This is why Jesus said, “They shall speak with new tongues” (Mark 16:17). Notice what Jesus did to the disciples after he arose and before he went back to heaven so the other comforter could came. “And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost” (John 20:22). This was done in preparation for the coming of the Holy Ghost in the upper room (Acts 2). Tongues are not the Holy Spirit but it is surely the evidence of having the Holy Spirit in his fullness in your life.

Now I want to address the part of your hub where you say, “We must understand the the gift of tongues was given for one purpose--that of witnessing. When tongues were given in Acts 2, they were given so that people could hear the Gospel. I Corinthians 14:22 tells us that tongues were given for a sign. Further we are told in I Corinthians 1:22 that signs were given to the Jews. Rule number one:If we are not witnessing to a Jew, do not expect a miraculous utterance. Face it. That is not the way tongues are used in 99% of today's churches. Bible tongues are languages used for the communication of the Gospel.”

Tongues were not given for the purpose of witnessing because it is the Holy Spirit that does the witnessing by testifying about Jesus. “But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me” {John 15:26). Once again, tongues are not the Holy Spirit just the evidence. Those who were in the upper room received the Holy Ghost spoke in tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance. Meaning they spoke the language the Holy Spirit gave to them from within their own spirit out of their mouths in unknown tongue to them but known to many about the place outside. There are divers or many kinds of tongues (I Corinthians 12:10). Look at verse six of Acts chapter two and you will notice those who were in the upper room were not quiet about it all because it was noised abroad and many gathered in to here. They heard the Holy Spirit testifying about the wonderful works of God and it was about Jesus because Jesus said he the Holy Spirit would testify about him. The tongues were the manifestation of the Spirit (I Corinthians 12:7). Those in the upper room were instruments of the Holy Spirit testifying about Jesus.

I do agree that tongues are for a sign to them that believe not even today because it is still the evidence of the Holy Spirit. Whatever gift of the Holy Spirit is being used and whatever way he wishes to manifest himself through that gift it is all for the common benefit of the Church as long it is done scripturally.

It is true the Jews were sign seekers in Christ’s time but they wanted a sign about everything. They were always telling Jesus show us a sign and that is why Paul told the church at Corinth the Jews require a sign (I Corinthians 1:22). Notice what Paul said in the next verse 23: “But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness.” It is by the preaching of the Gospel that saves men. “For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe” (I Corinthians 1:18, 21). The gifts are mainly used to edify the church but can stir the hearts of the unsaved also as we read in Acts on the day of Pentecost. Remember, Peter stood up after the infilling of the Spirit and preached the Gospel and three thousand souls were added to the kingdom. Read Acts 19 and find out there were 12 men who received the Holy Ghost with speaking in tongues sometime after they had become believers in Christ.

Now I want to address the part of your hub where you say, “Rule number two: I Corinthians 14:2, tells us that there is to be no more than three utterances of a spoken language in any one service and each must be accompanied by an interpreter. I have personally been in services where most participants were "speaking in tongues" at the same time, and certainly no one was interpreting. My friend, God is not the author of confusion.”

There should be a message in tongues then someone should interpret the tongue and no more than three in one service. As far as everyone speaking in tongues at once, didn’t that happen on the day of Pentecost also. They all were filled and began to speak in tongues together. The twelve men all spoke in tongues together also. All I would say is to be respectful about it all. One last thought: On the day of Pentecost when about 120 received the promise of the Holy Spirit with speaking in tongues, notice they were sitting when this happened not slain over or jumping up and down nor running wild around the place and no one was trying to teach them how either. God Bless.


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lifegate 4 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Voice of One,

I just spent two and a half hours writing you a response. I did it in Word. It's easier for me to work with than on HubPages. Somewhere in the transfer, it got deleted. I don't have the time right now to redo it. If I get a chance I'll try to repost it, but I know it won't be for a while as I have much to do to get ready for Resurrection Sunday. Have a great Sunday remembering the victory Christ wrought for us. Blessings.


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Availiasvision 2 years ago from California

D.A. Carson came to my church this past weekend to hold a conference on Revival. He said that he was greatly encouraged at the movement of churches back to the Word of God and sound doctrine. As he'd been touring the country, he has seen some incredible revivals starting to grow. We may have another reformation on our hands. His last sermon was on persecution and how many of the revivals of the past came out of persecution.

According to the editor of the Gospel Coalition, their largest readership comes from London, Sidney, and Singapore, which was very fascinating to me. None of those were American cities. The broader church is returning to the gospel.

I take comfort in this hymn, The Church's One Foundation:

Mid toil and tribulation,

and tumult of her war,

she waits the consummation

of peace forevermore;

till, with the vision glorious,

her longing eyes are blest,

and the great church victorious

shall be the church at rest.


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lifegate 2 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Hi Jen,

Glad to have you stop by. You picked a great a song with a great message. I love the line, "Mid toil and tribulation, and tumult of her war,

she waits the consummation of peace forevermore." That day is coming! Thanks again for taking time out to visit!

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