Universal Salvation: Response to galatians22067

galatians22067 says (and I quote):

Preface to readers: galatians22067 and I began our comments on my hub Response to Gina: L. Ray Smith Followers, should you wish to start at the beginning (see comment section of that hub).

galatians22067 said: "You never answered your contradiction ! You twisted my words and answered based on what you made up ! YOU LIED ! You can never answer the contradiction I exposed you on. Your contradiction is so obvious in my last post thats why you did not post it. It makes you look foolish ! You have a hard heart and blatant contradictions have no effect on your stuborness.

Paragraph 1 - Show me a scripture that says its to late to bring people to a knowledge of the truth ? Do me a favor why dont you tell me what the TRUTH is ? 1 Tim 2:4 / Rom 1:25. I am going to have a field day on your doctrine when you answer that question . What is the truth in Rom 1:25/1Tim 2:4 ?

Of course its the Holy Spirit that brings people to God ! You just do not understand Gods judgements ! Paul says his judgements are wise, rich and full of knowledge and mercy. Rom 11:32,33. You say God is unmerciful in his judgements ! Show me a scripture that says God is unmerciful ! This is total blasphemy ! Roms 1 says being unmerciful is a character trait of someone who hates God and invents evil things who turn the TRUTH into a lie. WOW are you consistent with a lot of things going on in Rom 1 ! Show me a scripture that says God is unmerciful ? Remember what happened last time you tried to do this ? You looked so foolish you did not even dare to post any of it !

The lake of fire is the judgement . The holy Spirit is what brings to a knowledge of the TRUTH ! 1 Cor 12:3 . No man can confess expect by the holy spirit ! Phlp 2:11 every knee shall confess. Rom 10:9 If you confess you shall be saved . Show me a scripture that says these principles and scriptures that are true suddenly become false because its to late ? Show me a scripture that says God is unmerciful towards these people ?

Paragraph 2 - Yes faith comes by hearing the word of God . Yes many reject this grace and will give account and suffer much loss and face judgement. But its quite obvious you do not understand Rom 4:25. He was delivered for offences and was raised for justification ! Rejecting grace does not nullfy Christs atoning work at calvary for our offences. They are two totally different things and you have no distinction between them. I cant wait for you to answer the question what is truth ? Christ died for the sins of the world and I am being justified by grace through faith in that truth. An unbeliever has no faith and rejects Gods grace in the truth. A believer repents from his old life and begins to be resurrected into a new life through faith in Christ. An unbeliever has no faith in anything and He remains dead in trespasses and sins ! HE IS NOT JUSTIFIED ! HE IS FULLY ATONED FOR AT CALVARY ! This is what judgement brings . Rom 5 teaches this offences than justification. Christ was delivered for offences and raised for justification ! Where sin abounds grace abounds .

Rom 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Well answer Pauls question ! Yes it will you claim God is going to burn you in hell forever ! Here is the real answer :

Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

God forbid . JUSTIFIED OVERCOME WHEN JUDGED. You call God a liar right to his face in this scripture ! Jude 4 says men turn Gods grace into lascivousness. They nullify his grace! If this means Christ all of a sudden did not atone for their sins than the verse makes no sense. How can you take advantage of Gods grace if you burn in hell forever for it ? What kind of sick reasoning do you posses ? You can not take advantage of something if there is an eternal penalty attached to it ! They take advantage of the fact that God is faithful. Will they be judged for their crimes ? YES of course and they deserve it ! However WHERE SIN ABOUNDS GRACE ABOUNDS THE MORE ! IS THIS REALLY THAT HARD ? I guess when you are totally stuborn and hard hearted it is.

Par 3- You take scriptures that are true and ignore the higher principle attached to those truths . Yes Rom 6:16, Heb 11:6 are true . But they are true in light of these scriptures : John 15:16. Phil 1:29. It is given to you to excersise these scriptures you put in front of the higher ones. You take relative statements and make the realtive statement the absolute statement.

Chose you this day whom you yield yourselfs to obey but unto you IT IS GIVEN TO DO THIS !!!! This why you do not believe Eph 2:8 . THIS IS NOT OF YOURSELF , IT IS GIVEN TO YOU, WHAT DO YOU HAVE THAT YOU DID NOT RECEIVE ? You claim, "Absolutely we chose" like its the absolute. Yes you are absolutely correct we chose but why ? BECAUSE GOD CHOSE US ! Work out your own salvation - relative ! It is God which works in you - Absolute. You do not like the absolute so you focus on the relative instead. You worship the creature not the creator !

par 4 - What are you trying to prove about verse 11 in light of verse 9 from Isaiah 26 ? That the principle in verse 9 is wrong ? That when Gods judgements are in the earth no one will actually learn righteousness. Explain to me what this means ? Well see if you read verses 10 and 11 you can see that what God says in verse 9 is wrong. Its total stupidity what you argue . You despise these verses to the point were you flat out claim they are just not true."

MY ANSWER:

Regarding 1 Tim 2:4: Here’s the Bible link to that verse. I dare you to read the cross-references in the right margin: http://bible.cc/1_timothy/2-4.htm

Regarding Rom 1:25, is it not YOU who worships the creation rather than the Creator? You expect all men to be saved because YOU can’t stand the thought of anyone burning in Hell. You love the created human more than God, no matter what they believe.

Regarding Rom 11:32, cross reference with Galatians 3:22.

James 2:13 “For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy” This makes me look foolish? I don’t think so.

The final judgment is sentencing to the Lake of Fire. Hebrews 9:27 states, “And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment”, that word “judgment” is krisis, which means to stand before a court, accusation, condemnation, damnation, judgment. The court will judge there, which is the word krino: decree, determine, judge; properly, to distinguish, i.e. decide (mentally or judicially); by implication, to try, condemn, punish -- avenge, conclude, condemn, damn, decree, determine, esteem, judge, go to (sue at the) law, ordain, call in question, sentence to, think. The Lake of Fire is the second death and is permanent.

Now, notice that believers who are sanctified by faith in Christ do NOT come before the judgment (krisis) and therefore do not stand before the court. John 5:24 states, “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment [krisis], but has passed out of death into life.”

Let’s talk about confession. 1 John 1:9 states, “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” That is salvation - to confess our sins; not to confess Who Jesus Christ is. The demons knew Who Jesus was and yet trembled (James 2:19). Just as Man has an appointed time to die and face the judgment (krisis), they know they have an appointed time also, and they know what that sentence is. Mat 8:29: “And they cried out, saying, ‘What business do we have with each other, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?’” See, they confessed Who Jesus was, but they didn't confess their sins! The word “torment” here is basanizó, which means to torture, pain, toil, torment, toss, vex.

You said, “No man can confess expect by the holy spirit !” You are wrong. Read the scripture correctly in 1 Cor 12:13: “Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, ‘Jesus is accursed’; and no one can say, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ except by the Holy Spirit.” Do you know what Lord means? It means He is your MASTER. No man can serve two masters! Satan is a master and Jesus is a Master. The love of money is the root of all evil (evil being a master) ~ read Mat 6:24.

When you state, “Yes faith comes by hearing the word of God . Yes many reject this grace and will give account and suffer much loss and face judgement”, are you referring to 1 Peter 1:7 and 1 Cor 3:13-15? If so, I will copy here what is already written in my Refute of Salvation for All Doctrine hub:

First of all, believers have FAITH; unbelievers do not. These passages have to do with the saved, not with the “many who reject this grace”, as you stated. Let me show you 1 Pet 1:7 as written in the NAS version of the Bible:

1 Peter 1:7 "that is the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

Translated correctly, this is better understood by the proper typing of the words and punctuation:

"That the trial of your faith (much more precious than gold which is tried by the fire) may be found unto praise and glory and honour at the appearing of Jesus Christ." (DRB)

1 Cor 3:13-15 "each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it, because it is to be revealed with fire; and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work. If any man's work which he has built upon it remains; he shall receive a reward. If any man's work is burned up, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as through fire."

The following scriptures help clarify its meaning: Zechariah 3:2; Amos 4:11; and Jude 23.

The interpretation is as follows: A builder whose building (works), not the foundation (his salvation), is consumed by fire, escapes (is snatched out), and thus he suffers the loss of his work (therefore, the loss of his reward-prize). The word it above is the foundation of Jesus Christ in Whom he has his FAITH. He does not lose his salvation, nor does he obtain it by these works.

Eph 2:8-9 state, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast."

Now, you need to cross-reference Rom 4:25 with Gal 2:20 “I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.” DO YOU SEE FAITH here? We must be saved by FAITH, which comes by hearing the Word of God!! And that would be NOW, IN THE FLESH!! If we reject Him, we nullify His grace in regard to us!! I’ve already shown you this!!

You are the one twisting scripture, for you confirm the above truth by stating, “Christ died for the sins of the world and I am being justified by grace through faith in that truth. An unbeliever has no faith and rejects Gods grace in the truth.” Then, you also say, “Rejecting grace does not nullfy Christs atoning work at calvary for our offences.” Yet, you go on to say, “Jude 4 says men turn Gods grace into lascivousness. They nullify his grace!Aren’t YOU contradicting yourself?! You asked, “How can you take advantage of Gods grace if you burn in hell forever for it ? What kind of sick reasoning do you posses ?” Ask those who turn the grace of God into lasciviousness (sexual freedom) ~ for they WILL burn in Hell for it.

Likewise, you confirm the truth by stating, “A believer repents from his old life and begins to be resurrected into a new life through faith in Christ. An unbeliever has no faith in anything and He remains dead in trespasses and sins ! HE IS NOT JUSTIFIED !” Then, you also say, “HE IS FULLY ATONED FOR AT CALVARY !

How you’ve twisted this is to think I’ve stated Christ’s atonement is nullified as a whole. That’s not what I’m saying. I am saying that His atonement has no value to save those who refuse to believe. They have no covering for their sin (John 15:22).

What does judgment bring? Atonement? NO!! Christ’s blood is the atonement, not judgment. Yes, there are judgments on the earth where SOME will learn that He is their righteousness (by faith), but not ALL will learn righteousness (Isaiah 26:10), but this is before the krisis judgment at the bema seat of Christ. That judgment comes after our appointed time to die once (Heb 9:27).

Cross-reference Rom 3:3-4 with Heb 4:2:

Rom 3:3-4 “What then? If some did not believe, their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God, will it? May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar, as it is written, ‘that you may be justified in your words, and prevail when you are judged." This is talking about God's faithfulness to provide a way to salvation, not blanket salvation for everyone. Only through faith can we be justified and prevail.

Cross-reference with Heb 4:2 “For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also; but the word they heard did not profit them, because it was not united by faith in those who heard.”

To put this in an easier perspective, consider God is the Steward on the plane. He gives everyone a parachute and tells them to put it on to save their lives. Some do, but when they feel the heaviness of it or get laughed at by others who don’t want to wear them, they take it off. They also simply deny any possibility that the Steward would let the plane crash! That parachute is of no use when the plane goes down too fast to put it on. Those who obeyed and kept the parachute on were saved. Indeed, God was faithful to give a parachute to everyone, but only those who believed and obeyed Him were saved. This means God is true and every man a liar that didn't comply with wearing the parachute. This means God was faithful, regardless!! Do you get it now?

You asked, “WHERE SIN ABOUNDS GRACE ABOUNDS THE MORE ! IS THIS REALLY THAT HARD ?” This pertains to those who are saved ~ forgiven. Read Romans 7:15-8:1. When we are covered by the blood of the Lamb (through faith in Him), our flesh sins, but our spirit is sinless. However, we can't turn the grace of God into a license to live lawlessly. To acknowledge and confess our sins means we love the Law of God. Can you understand that? Look at verses 16-17: “But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.” This leads us to Rom 8:1 “Therefore there is now no condemnation [krisis] for those who are in Christ Jesus.”

You quoted John 15:16 and you must cross-reference this with John 6:70. Jesus is speaking to His twelve disciples ONLY. He chose (selected) them. The twelve apostles will be those who are given thrones and authority to judge (krino, not krisis) Israel (Mat 19:28). Is Israel not called the chosen ones? Are we not grafted into the chosen when we are saved? Are they not cut off if they reject Christ, their Messiah? Absolutely!! If you don’t understand all this, you need to read my hub The Elect of God Likewise, Phil 1:29 is speaking of the saved.

Eph 2:8-9 state that we are saved by grace through faith, not of ourselves (meaning we don’t earn our way by works), which is covered in verse 9. Christ died freely and we are to accept His faithfulness (the parachute), believe and obey in order to be saved. Working out your own salvation with fear and trembling is exactly that. It’s YOUR CHOICE. Once you receive salvation, you no longer have a spirit of fear, but of love, power and a sound mind (2 Tim 1:7).

I’ve already covered Isaiah 26:9-11. Some will come to the knowledge of the truth (learn that righteousness comes only through faith in Christ); some will not. Therefore, not ALL are saved. Do you understand?

And speaking of krisis, the gospels tell me in Mark 6:11 and Luke 9:5, "And as for those who do not receive you, as you go out from that city, shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them." This is why I told you I do not HAVE to contend with you. Not contending does not indicate you are right in your beliefs, but is rather a rebuke, in the name of the Lord.

To continue on with my response to galatians22067, see Universal Salvation: Response to galatians22067-2.

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no body 6 years ago from Rochester, New York

May God continue to empower you to fight this ugly twist of His Word and Truth. Cults are designed to hook into a stronghold of Satan that already exists. Some wishful thinking that presupposes a conclusion in the Bible's words. A loathing of hell and the obstinate willingness to cling to a reasoning from the pit of hell is going to send those very people to the very place that they think to avoid. If wishes were fishes, beggars would dine. But the real truth is that wishes are not fishes. The desert will kill for lack of water unless one carries enough water with them to keep themselves hydrated. The point is - that warnings are there for a reason. All DO fall short of the glory of God so God made a provision for them by the shedding of the very blood of God for the sins of the whole world. As long as a person accepts that provision so that they are then "in Christ." The rest are condemned already. If they continue in that condemnation they will eventually run out of time and there will be no way to pay for their sin and they will die in their sin. For those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit there is no more sacrifice and they are sent away. All you can do, my sister, is preach the truth. That you are doing. Be energized and refreshed in the Spirit. Rejoice and know that you please God by loving these people who still have a chance until God himself shuts the door to them. Until they die in their sins. You are standing in front of a burning building and screaming for some to listen and not go in and be burned and you are screaming for those inside to come out and not be burned. You are doing all you can do by screaming out the warning. You are loving all you can love. Do not be discouraged but take heart, the prophets of old had the same job. You are among great people of faith and earn the respect of so very many here on Hubpages.


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Carrie Bradshaw 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Brother Bob, yes ~ it is shameful when the Word of God is not rightly divided (2 Tim 2:15) and God does use the "foolish" or "weak things" of the world to shame the "wise" (in their own eyes) ~ 1 Cor 1:27. The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing (1 Cor 1:18). This guy doesn't understand the purpose or conditions of the cross. If all men were saved by fiery judgments, Christ died needlessly. Galatians has created a god that is not righteous and holy, in that He would accept sinful man paying for his own sin through a Lake of Fire "purification". We are purified through faith in the blood of the Lamb alone! There is no judgment for those who have faith in Christ Jesus! The judgment is a sentence to Hell. We know that to be true. There is no second chance after physical death!

I appreciate your words of encouragement. I write to hopefully spare those who are searching out options or have a view of God that is thwarted by false teachers, such as L. Ray Smith. May they be snatched out of the burning building in which they stand! They can only come out, if they believe the warnings! At least I can stand boldly before the throne in that I did my part to warn them. They cannot accuse me in that day, that I didn't care and was complacent and comfortable in my own salvation.

We love (agape) God and we love (agapao) the lost as He does ~ enough to bear testimony to the TRUTH. Amen!! God bless you, brother!!


galatians22067@yahoo.com 6 years ago

I am not going to address multiple points any longer just one at a time because you deflect questions you can not answer and answer ones you think you can. This post is proof that you do this. So lets take this one point at a time. I doubt you will pursue this conversation now because I will not allow you to wiggle out of things you can not answer. I am going to focus on one thing at a time. I really can not wait to get to James 2:13 but this is were we started so this is were I will pick up.

This is the post you ignored . You never answered this last post! You can not answer the blatant contradiction in the below post so you created an argument for yourself ! You claimed that I stated that a mans own death and or hell can atone for someones sin and than answered to the pretense that you made up . YOU BORE FALSE WITNESS AGAISNT ME ! After I posted back to straighten out the false pretense that you created I re-posted the REAL CONTRADICTION that you never answered and you claimed you answered this problem already. YOU ANSWERED THE FALSE PRETENSE THAT YOU MADE UP NOT THE REAL CONTRADICTION I EXPOSED YOU ON !

Here is the post you refuse to answer or to post :

Paul says the penalty of sin is death . NO NO NO ITS BURNING IN HELL FOREVER YOU SAY, DEATH MEANS TO BURN IN HELL FOREVER SAYS KURT & RAY.

If this is true than show me where Jesus burned in hell to pay the penalty for our sins ? You do believe he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins ? Do you not ? Of course you do! So if the bible teaches this wicked doctrine than show me ! Show me where Jesus went to hell forever to atone for our sins seeing this is the penalty ! It is total unscriptural contradictions. This probably does not even cause you to scratch your head because you really do not care that you contradict yourself . If you can not see that you contradict yourself on this point than you are blind as a bat or just lying.

Your beliefs:

1)The penalty for our sins is to go to hell forever. Yes you teach this!

2)Jesus paid the penalty for our sins. Yes you teach this !

3)Jesus burned in hell for our sins. No you do not teach this !

Why not ? Why dont you teach statement 3 ? Because it is absurd ! Thats why statement 1 is also absurd. Can you really not see this ? If statement 1 is true than for statement 2 to be true statement 3 also has to be true. But you refuse to make such a foolish claim. You claiming statement 1 is true is just as absurd as trying to teach statement 3 being true. But what is the truth of statement 3 ?

The Bible teaches :

3) Jesus DIED for our sins. Yes you teach this !

2) Jesus paid the penalty for our sins. Yes you teach this !

1) The penalty for our sins is DEATH. NO YOU DO NOT TEACH THIS !

I am positive no one would argue that statement 2 is not true! So since statement 2 is true than statements 1 and 3 have to match . If the penalty for our sins is to burn in hell like you teach than for Jesus to atone for the penalty of our sins He would have to suffer the penalty of going to hell forever ! Where do we read this anywhere in the Bible ? NO WHERE ! The bible does not teach anything like you claim about the penalty for our sins is to go to hell forever. However it does teach that Jesus atoned for our sins BY DYING because the penalty for our sins is DEATH. THIS IS WHAT THE SCRIPTURES TEACH ! Thats why what I say makes sense and what you say presents a contradiction you can not answer. YOUR BELIEFS AND TEACHINGS ARE HERESY ! So you keep teaching this garbage and contradicting yourself and the scriptures. There is no way out of your contradiction here . You can only repent .


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djbraman 6 years ago

The word rightly divides. The reason we have so many interpretations of the word is that people want to try to change the word instead of allowing it to change them. A mind can not be renewed unless it is able and willing to allow the word to reflect their heart and wrong thinking. Good job on this hub.


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oscarwms 6 years ago from PA

Wow, you told them and told them again. I guess it is not good to cast your pearls before swine ,they do indeed trample them under foot and turn again to rend you.


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Carrie Bradshaw 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

galatians, first of all I answered you in the previous hub to Gina, but you are blind. I will try to make it easier for you to understand.

In a worldly court of law, there is a difference between restitution (bail) and sentence. We owed a debt (restitution/bail) to God for our sin; a debt we could not pay. None of us are righteous enough to meet the requirement. God required the shed blood of an innocent lamb once a year to "pass over" the sins of the Jews until He would come to shed His own blood.

First of all, if you follow L. Ray Smith, you believe that Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are separate, both proceeding out from the Father ~ so they are lesser than God the Father. This is not correct. Jesus is God in the flesh. The Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ are one in the same. The Spirit of God is the Father of Jesus through Mary. If you don't understand, you can go to my Judah's Daughter profile and read my hub called "Let Me Tell You WHO GOD IS!"

God paid His restitution for the sin of the whole world, which was His shed blood. He does not get sentenced to Hell.

Likewise, He tells us in His Word that all who believe in Him by faith are covered by His atonement for our sin. We now have our restitution paid in full and will not be sentenced to Hell. Those who reject His atonement by faith in Christ, will be sentenced to Hell because they have no covering (restitution paid) for their sin. Take it or leave it. AMEN.

Right now you are acting like your father, the devil, in that you are full of mocking and accusations ~ do you see that? Why are you here? If you don't get it, don't ask. You won't change me, for I know Who my Redeemer is. My resitution is paid. I won't heed doctrines of demons, and I pray readers will see and understand that may be spared from deception. I'm thankful for you and other Universalists who make it plain to see the twisting of God's Word and how Satan operates. For this, God gets the glory. AMEN.


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Carrie Bradshaw 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

djbraman, I so appreciate a woman with thorough biblical education approving and confirming what it written here. I fully agree with that fact that people (I will say it also applies to cults) use the Bible to create doctrine that "tickles their ears" or deflect from the true glory of God. I have a hub called "Signs of Christian Cults" that goes more into this. Almost all antichrist religions have additional study material (or "bibles") in addition to the Holy Bible. Interesting, isn't it? Praise God in all things. I so appreciate your support, sister!! God bless you!!


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Carrie Bradshaw 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

oscarwms, I also so appreciate your confirmation and support! In Jewish Law, what is truth is to be confirmed by two witnesses, and including brother Bob, I now have three, amen!! You are so right in what happens when we cast our pearls. I gladly take the trampling, if just one by-stander is enlightened and spared. This is not a pleasant ministry, but is a calling. I just go as long as the Lord directs; then I GO, shaking the dust off my feet. I praise God for you. Thank you! God bless you!


galatians22067@yahoo.com 6 years ago

How can anyone read what I wrote to you and deduce that what I am trying to say is that Jesus gets sentenced to hell ? This is why I claim you either have trouble reading or are knowingly lying. I am not trying to be demeaning or "accuse or mock you " but there is no way anyone can read what I wrote and than come up with what your saying, that :

"He does not get sentenced to Hell". YES I KNOW THIS . The purpose of my statement is to show you how foolish your teaching is that the penalty for our sins is to go to hell forever. You are claiming that Jesus paid the atonement for our penalty so therefore our penalty can not be to go to hell forever because Jesus never went to hell forever. He did however DIE FOR US BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT OUR PENALTY IS ! DEATH !

These are your words " Likewise, He tells us in His Word that all who believe in Him by faith are covered by His atonement for our sin. We now have our restitution paid in full and will not be sentenced to Hell. Those who reject His atonement by faith in Christ, will be sentenced to Hell because they have no covering (restitution paid) for their sin. Take it or leave it. AMEN. "

This statement is a total contradiction . You teach that Jesus paid atonement for our penalties by dying not by going to hell . Than you claim our penalty is to go to hell forever. It is a total contradiction ! If my penalty is to go to hell forever than for Jesus to pay my penalty HE WOULD HAVE TO GO TO HELL FOREVER ! Its a total contradiction and of a major preportion ! This is so foolish its absurd .

Our penalty is DEATH . Thats why Jesus DIED . To pay for our penalty of DEATH !!!

Your last paragraph is amazing ! I have a scripture that says this :

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Do you have a scripture that says the wages of sin is to burn in hell forever ? No you do not . But you call me a child of the devil because I believe this verse instead of your heresy .

Here is my commentary on this verse :

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death My commentary : FOR THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH !

Here is your commentary on this verse :

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death Your commentary : FOR THE WAGES OF SIN IS TO BURN IN HELL !

And its me who is the child of the devil who twists scriptures ? Its me who shows the operations of satan ? Give me a break !

Did Jesus atone for the penalty of your sins ? Yes of course he did !

What did Jesus do for you to atone for the penalty of your sins ? He DIED for you !

So what is the penalty for your sins ?? Ill give you a hint : Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death !

Well what is your answer ? What is the penalty for our sins ?

But you will walk away from this still believing that the penalty for our sins is to go to hell forever ! And its me who is the nut ? UNBELIEVABLE !


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Carrie Bradshaw 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

galatians, WHAT are we SAVED FROM? WHY do we NEED a Savior? I'll tell you. The wages of sin is death. This is speaking of the SECOND DEATH, which is the Lake of Fire. It is the SENTENCE for not having a Savior!! Rev 20:6 tells us "Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years."

The second death IS the Lake of Fire (Rev 20:14). Verse 15 states, "And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." There is no salvation once cast into Hell (even in Sheol/Hades/Tartaroo), for the Bible says those there are reserved unto that judgment, the Lake of Fire - Geenna (2 Pet 2:4; 2 Pet 3:7; Heb 9:27 and Jude 1:6). Read these passages for yourself.


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Carrie Bradshaw 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

galatians, I've written another hub to answer your latest lengthy comment ~ see #2.


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And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." There is no salvation once cast into Hell (even in Sheol/Hades/Tartaroo), for the Bible says those there are reserved unto that judgment, the Lake of Fire - Geenna (2 Pet 2:4; 2 Pet 3:7; Heb 9:27 and Jude 1:6). Read these passages for yourself.


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Carrie Bradshaw 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Thank you for quoting me, videos. I assume you are in agreement with the Word. Be blessed.


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Carrie Bradshaw 5 years ago from Manhattan Author

None of your business 3 hours ago (I will post a couple of points I will answer, but won't pont ad hominem):

"So,according to you babies and infants who have died are burning in hell for eternity, because they weren't "saved" before they died."

ANSWER: Mat 19:14 ""Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." Also, do a study on the Book of Life. Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, and was predestined to do so from before time began. All names start out in His Book of Life and those who are wicked and rebel against Him are blotted out. I would give you the link to my study on this, but why cast my pearls before swine?

"I noticed on your profile you state "I love all my fans and appreciate your comforting support. God bless you!" I notice that you never say that to anyone who opposes any of your beliefs. The bible plainly says to "love your enemies"."

ANSWER: Jesus loved His enemies enough to die for them, to give them the truth and the CHOICE to repent, which brings forgiveness and sanctification. Loving His enemies did not save them; acceptance of His sacrifice and true repentance saves them. Agape love is the type of love that loves enemies; enough to do the right thing and tell them the truth, even if it means being killed for it. Phileo love is that of friendship, and for a believer to befriend those who refuse to repent is to be counted as an enemy of God (James 4:4).

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