Was Jesus Rich?

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The Nativity
The Wise Men
The Wise Men
No Trinket
No Trinket

What Happened to the Gold?

In the barn at Jesus birth, the Bible tells us that wise men bought gifts, one of which was gold. The Bible does not usually speak of trivia, only profound events. It would therefore be reasonable to assume, that this gift of gold, was no trinket but rather a substantial amount.

It seems strange that, if this was a substantial amount, there is no further mention of it. If Mary had given it to the poor, fine, but wouldn't the Bible mention it? Did they keep it in trust, for when Jesus got older? If they did, then Jesus had money.

Some may think it is blasphemy or a sacrilege to think of this. I disagree, I think it is a valid question, as it could change our views on how we interpret the Bible.

If he had money, it does not take away from what he said or what he did. It may however, alter the way we interpret people who met Jesus. They would probably act differently to a rich man, than they would to a poor one.

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Vatican City
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Change Your Perception
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Church Collection

The Church

It seems to me strange, that the Catholic Church is rich, as is any other Christian Church.

I do not remember seeing in the Bible, where it says the Church should have, make or horde money. So where did this idea come from? Was it from the people who first started the Church, the disciples? If so, where did they get that idea from? Was it from Jesus himself? Were they just trying to follow in Jesus footsteps?

As I have said, it does not mean that your view of Jesus would change but it may change your perception of the Church and its teachings.

An example could be that you believe that the Bible says - you do not need riches, once you have faith in God through Jesus. Your perception may change to believing that - you do not need riches, once you have faith in God through Jesus but it is better if you have both.

After all, even though the Church teach us the first version, don't they themselves live the second?

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truthlovingguy 5 years ago

Jesus Was Rich. There are 25 evidences for this in the Bible.

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bornagain2007 5 years ago from North Carolina

Very good discussion and an intersting take on the topic. I would make the assumption that ALL the gifts of the wisemen were of equal value at the time of Jesus. Myrrh, gold and frankincense held a value each in their own worth. Is the assumption being made that Mary gave these gifts to Jesus? Could these not have been used for the poor? Because it is not mentioned, do we assume greed was the result of these gifts? It seems pretty clear from scripture that Jesus was not a wealthy man, he even disliked the idea of wealth as it typically resulted in greed.


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Al Blondin 6 years ago from Colorado Springs, Colorado USA

I am humbled Druid Dude. I wouldn't claim His knighthood but I am satisfied to be recognised as a stumbling but faithful servant. In this world though, I am a trained Combat Officer and do hold my sword with pride. Even there though, I am bound to serve the people of my country and do my best to take this servant role to heart as well. Woe to the one my sword is pointed at though! YARRR! ;o)

You may be flabbergasted to find out that I do believe in the the Incarnation, ministry and Resurrection of Christ as related in the NT.

I am a practicing Catholic, but I am not so arrogant and narrow minded as to discount others' esperiences and interpretations of the Divine. Let us all sit and have a mature and respectful discussion about what we believe is what I say.

What I find fascinating about the Old and New testament stories is that they are claiming that the Creator appeared in our flesh at a moment in real time in real history IOT reveal Himself, and teach us the Way. That is the kind of God and Creator I am willing to bend the knee to.

He submitted Himself to our corrupt systems of government, economy, justice and religion to the point where He even allowed us to publicly humiliate and murder Him in one of the most cruel ways ever to be devised by the hearts of human beings.

Unless a more compelling candidate appears, I will put my "hand in the hand of the Man from the Galilee" and trust Him to guide me as I would no other man in history.

To me His story is the best testimony I have ever come accross for the existence of a loving and caring Creator.


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Druid Dude 6 years ago from West Coast

Are you sure you're a navy man? You're more like a Sky Pilot! Excellent! I applaud you. I claim myself to be a Nazirite, for that is me. I don't claim to be christian, yet am a defender of Christ. I am not a follower, I am one of His Knights. Believing is becoming. You, too, are one of His Knights, and your words prove it.


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Al Blondin 6 years ago from Colorado Springs, Colorado USA

Rafken, although I am a believer, I seldom use the Bible to discuss issues about Christianity. My take is that it is useless to argue from the Bible unless all parties agree that it is a trustworthy point of reference. Since this is not the case, it is much more useful to use reason and accepted historical data and start from there. For instance, you say in your response that "perhaps it was the money that kept them safe over this period (first 300 years). However, the accepted historical record states that, in fact, early believer were not kept safe. Many were publicly humiliated tortured and died atrocious deaths. The word "martyr" came from that period. Polycarp was a good example. And think about it, 300 years is an extremely long time, do you really think it possible that a gift of gold, carried on a camel, or even a few camels, would be enough to sustain a persecuted people for 300 years? This is an example how one doesn't need the Bible to speak about a lot of misconceptions about Christianity. Sound historical research is much better. Anyone can look it up for themselves and it has nothing to do with whether there is a God or not, it is simply a record of what happened to people. No one is trying to convert anyone. In fact, there are very few good reasons to convert to Christianity. I for one do not believe in it because I want to, I simply believe in it because I think that the evidence supports what the Gospels tell us about Jesus. I believe in it because I really think it is the truth, no matter how uncomfortable that may make me and how ridiculous it may seem to most people nowadays.


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rafken 6 years ago from The worlds my oyster Author

Al, thank you for your comments, they are well taken. Especially for the first 300 years. Perhaps it was the money from the crib, that kept them safe over this period. My point is though, that we can only speculate. Those who think the Bible is everything and live their life by that, should take heed. The point being, even if everything in the Bible is true, there are points which are not mentioned and to say, something is so, without having all the facts, is like saying you are going to make an omelet when you have no eggs.


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Al Blondin 6 years ago from Colorado Springs, Colorado USA

Rafken, the fact that the Catholic Church, for example, owns a lot of material assets is something that I have struggled with for years. I guess that the fact that it has been around as an institution for a couple thousand years, means it is bound to collect a few things here and there over the years... same as my basement multiplied by infinity ;o).

There is also the fact that the assets collected over time were donations from people who had a very different world view than Western Society today. Meaning that they put their money where they thought it most important. In a couple of thousand years from now, people are likely to shake their heads in wonder at how much North Americans invest in the sports and entertainment industry for example, when a fraction of that could solve most of the world's serious health and food distribution issues.

What I'm suggesting here is that the way a society spends its wealth has a lot more to do with human nature than Church teachings. The huge cathedrals and other building projects were a product of the second millenia after the "founding" of the Church. People discovered, or re-discovered special skills that enabled them to build extraordinary structures, based on the beliefs of the time, it is only logical that they would invest these skills in structures that matched their beliefs (same as why the pyramids were built).

One fact that needs to be pointed out though in this case, is that in the first three hundred years or so, those who claimed an affiliation with believers in the Resurrection, were severely treated to the point where suffering and martyrdom was a way of life. As far as historians can assert, most of the original 12 Apostles died by crucifixion or beheading for asserting their faith. The historical record reveals that the fate of the leaders of the "movement" was shared by many of its followers. It wasn't until the 4th century, under Emperor Constantine and after the Council of Nicea that the Church became "respectable". That is when the accepted "Canon" or collection of 26 books became what we know today as the New Testament.

For the first three hundred years it was very counter-cultural and dangerous to be identified as the "people of the Way". Therefore, it appears counter-intuitive to suggest that money and possessions were an important part of wanting to belong to that unpopular movement that was Christianity. Yet the movement did somehow survive those very dark years. Why? That is an interesting question for another hub or post.


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Al Blondin 6 years ago from Colorado Springs, Colorado USA

Tony, you also assert, as if it was a proven fact, that the stories written by the disciples about Jesus were written some 150 years after his death. 150 years is a theory, not a fact held by some experts, however, those are not the only theories. Some experts also suggest that many of the writings could have been done soon after the alleged resurrection. There is a difference here between the dating of existing manuscripts and the time that the originals would have been penned. Very few had access to writing material and the necessary skills to write in those days. What also makes the research difficult is the necessity for the ancients to have to hand copy manuscripts as the originals became too tattered. My point is that if one is trying to make a point, it is very important to be transparent about all the facts, not only those that suit one's theories.


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Al Blondin 6 years ago from Colorado Springs, Colorado USA

Tony, I would like to know on what you are basing your assertion that "there is not one stitch of evidence that Jesus existed at all." That is a pretty bold statement. But is it in fact true? To my knowledge, very few (if any), serious historians would agree with you. This includes many do not believe that Jesus was the Christ, or Messiah.

It would depend on your interpretation or definition of the word "evidence," I guess, but on the basis of what is generally accepted as historical evidence, there is sufficient evidence out there to convice the most cynical that there was an individual, named Jesus, from Nazareth, who was executed on a Roman Cross during the time when Pontius Pilate was the Roman Procurator of Judea. The question remains as to who exactly this man was, but I have never heard it seriously questioned that there was such a person, and I have been examining the evidence for nearly 25 years.

That said, if you use the narrowest possible definition of evidence, one could claim what you are saying, but on that basis, one would also have to question the existence of Julius Caesar, Plato, Socrates, Omer and all of the figures of antiquity. Actually, one would also have to quetion the existence of much more recent figures of history. The accepted standards of historical evidence do not lead themselves well to the scientific method, because history, by its very nature, cannot be repeated in a lab.


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MysticalWhitewolf 6 years ago from Moses Lake, Washington

Reading your article and then reading the comments that followed, you have opened the topic up to debate. Very interesting.


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Lady Wordsmith 6 years ago from Lancaster, UK

I don't believe in God, but I believe that a man who may have been Jesus existed. This is an interesting question that I hadn't considered before. What you say about the gifts at his birth makes perfect sense - of course, his family must have benefited from the gold, as well as the frankincense and myrrh (which I understand were also valuable substances?) if indeed the gifts really were given - of course, they may not have been given at all, this could be an embellishment that was added later to give more credence to the story and more status to Jesus.

Funny that the gifts are not mentioned again - well, as far as I know, though I've not read all of the Bible.


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rafken 6 years ago from The worlds my oyster Author

Tony What you're saying is, the church created the bible to "big up" the church and the church "bigs up" the bible. An increasing upward spiral, a win win situation. Must of been a great man to think up that, maybe even a God. lol. Thanks for the comment.


Tony DeLorger 6 years ago

Interesting questions. However, there is not one stitch of evidence that Jesus existed at all. The passages in the bible that were supposedly written by the diciples were written about 150 years after the supposed death of Jesus. What's more it was written in Greek, a language unknown to simple fishermen. On the subject of money, churches and religions were fabricated by men, not God, for power, wealth and control of the masses. What;s surprising is that is still exist and dominates out societies.

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