What is Wrong with Christian Rock?

What is Wrong with Christian Rock?

This article is a brief response to a letter of inquiry about Christian rock music.

Letter from a Christian Brother about Christian Rock Music

Here is the original letter inquiring about Christian rock 'n roll music. The response is in a lower block of writing:

Before I begin, I just want to say that this is not hate mail. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I very much respect yours. With that said...

I listen to bands like Disciple, Demon Hunter, Skillet, Jeremy Camp, Thousand Foot Krutch, ect. Actually, I really don't listen to much else other than Christian rock, and a little Christian rap. I spent years in a very dark place, being involved in witchcraft, and various other forms of devil worship. I now have a child whom I love very much, and I am going to be getting married in a few months; it was mainly my son that was my main reason for trying to turn my life around. I have also been to many concerts, mainly held in churches that featured these bands. I have heard them speak some very powerful words on stage about Jesus and the Gospel.

It is mainly because of these bands that I have come back to Christ. I used to listen to bands like Marilyn Manson, Cradle of Filth, Slayer, Pantera, and Metallica. When I heard these bands that had the same amazing sound, but also had a positive message about Christ, I was amazed. I didn't believe myself for a while that metal music and Christian music could be one in the same. I guess the point of this message is just to tell you about my experience with Christian rock and metal. I simply don't see how something so positive, could possibly be evil.

It is not my intention to try to change your opinion, because like I said, everyone has the right to their own opinion. I know I am somewhat new to the Christian faith, although I have always had a background in the church from a young age.

I think I have taken enough of your time with this message, sorry about the length. I do love to listen to other peoples’ opinions though, so if you have any further information about what you talked about in your short video, I would love to hear it. I am not saying I am going to change my opinion, but again, I am very open to other people’s views on Christianity. Again, sorry about how long this message turned out to be. God Bless...

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Response to Letter about Christian Rock

These are some important issues I wanted to address before getting into the issue of Christian rock music. In many long email chains with rockers challenging the anti-Rock 'n Roll position, I have found these to be important points:

J,

Thank you for your letter.

When a person hears the gospel, and their heart moves, and they reach out for God, asking Him to be Father, it is real no matter how the message was delivered.

Note: it is alright for us to listen to the ideas and preaching of the brethren. We must always compare what is said with the scriptures. No man can trump God's word. Not me, not Peter, not even Jesus.

The best message on rock music can be found in a documentary made by a man who made a deal with the devil in his youth. The devil came to him in a dream. The devil offered rock music in exchange for the souls of his mother, father, and sister. Eventually, he saw them falling into Hell. He repented and called out to Jesus. The documentary he made is called "They Sold Their Souls for Rock 'n Roll".

Regarding witchcraft and other forms of sorcery and personal power acquisition, etc: It is important to repent of these things and to break any rights the enemy claims against you due to your opening those doors in the past.

Here are some resources on how to pray, and on how to break curses:

  1. www.theelijahchallenge.org
  2. www.watchmanradio.com
  3. Also, look for Dr. Pat Holliday and Stephen Hansen on facebook.
  4. Look for audio teachings from Win Worley, Derek Prince, and other deliverance ministers.

Why a Christian Should Separate from Rock Music

Christian rockers say they are going out to serve God, and that rock is their calling to evangelize. Plus, people get saved, so that is the proof, right?

This is not a necessary conclusion. Paul thanked God for hirelings who stood on the street corner and preached the gospel of salvation. People got saved, and Paul thanked God for those new believers. Jesus also told the disciples not to stop those who did not know Jesus from preaching Jesus for their own interests because "whoever is not against us is for us" (Mark 9:40). Likewise, I am glad for the Christian rock music crusades and bands.

However, once a person is saved, it is the natural inclination to desire God more and more and to be closer to Him. Indeed, it sometimes becomes a powerful yearning so strong it can become moaning and weeping.

Then, we begin to realize that we must “…be holy because I am holy" (1 Peter 1:16) and that in the strong presence of the Holy Spirit, Ananias and Sapphira dropped dead for just one lie. We see that the people could not climb Mt. Sinai with Moses because their hearts were not right. We ask ourselves, “How much does unholiness in my life separate me from God?”

Then, we seek to purify our lives. In phases, in great leaps, in small measures, and not without some see-saw backsliding tug of wars with temptation, we move forward. We drop vulgar speech, gossiping, and lying. We start to pray more and to read the Bible more. We seek out brethren with whom to stand and for mutual support and edification.

It is my position that anything of Satan in your life becomes a barrier between you and God. Rock music is of the Devil, and all it's branches are of the devil, including Christian Rock, which branched off the original tree planted by Satan in Robert Johnson.

Getting Rid of Rock is Part of the Natural Growth of a Christian


Then, we seek to purify our lives. In phases, in great leaps, in small measures, and not without some see-saw backsliding tug of wars with temptation, we move forward. We drop vulgar speech, gossiping, and lying. We start to pray more and to read the Bible more. We seek out brethren with whom to stand and for mutual support and edification.

At some point, we realize that the devil is very subtle. Just as scripture warns, the wolves snuck in unaware. Where do we find them? The World Council of Churches controls and provides doctrine and music for hundreds of thousands of American churches. Rock music, including Christian rock, is led by satanic elements. That spirit trickles down into the remainder of well-meaning rockers. I have prayed about this: no Christian rocker ever re-invented rock and roll music or metal music after praying.

Are there any Christians Called to Serve as Rock Musicians?


Of the many, many who have sent me samples of their music, or just the lyrics when they feared to expose the actual sound to the Light, I have found only three who actually were doing it right. First: three young African American men doing a rap- without music- to honor God's power in their lives, and their lives for God. Second, a young African American man who performs rock music. He is genuinely called to that ministry. But, let me mention this: he was completely humble and honest in asking me to pray about his position. I was surprised by the answer I received in prayer! But, I was once led by the Holy Spirit to join the Methodist church. After my horrible experience there, the Holy Spirit told me, "I wanted you to see the bondage my people are under." The third was not a rocker at all. A young man sent me a video of his worship song, Invited Guest, to God beseeching mercy. It is a beautiful song, but not rock at all.

Really, there is just one person in actual rock music that I felt (after praying) was rightly there - in my experience, of course. BUT: Why is he there? Who can say unless the Holy Spirit speaks to it? In my experience with the Methodists, the Holy Spirit told me the "why" after two full years.

Conclusion


After desiring to come closer to God, we realize that God has a standard. He wants us to obey his commands. To reach this point, we must access, recognize, and infuse this important, pervasive Bible principle into our lives: we ought to follow God, not man. After this, we begin to look to the method and manner of God's ways. We desire to know His nature, and to follow only His voice, and no others.

When it comes to evangelism, we see there is no call to play music to preach. There is music to praise, yes. There is music that demons hate, as when David played the harp, yes. But, there is no "Go two by two, beat the drums and play the lute and preach the gospel."

Instead, Jesus commanded us to do this:

Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. (Mat 10:8)

And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach, And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils: (Mark 3:14-15)

We must also carefully consider John 14:12-13

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

There is a major concern for those who have a teaching-only belief in Jesus. When the lawless one comes “with all power and signs and lying wonders” (2 Thes 2:9), what will happen to those who have never seen the power of God? What will happen to those who don’t have a personal relationship with God? I fear many of them will fall away. Those who know the power of God’s Word will not be moved. Those who stand on the Rock will not be shaken. But what of the once-saved-always-saved crowd? Some of them even believe they can take the Mark of the Beast and still go to Heaven when scripture. There is a HUGE difference between those who have seen the power of God and those who have never seen a miracle. Rockers rely on reaching out to people by giving free music. That is great. But, will it be enough?

1 Timothy 4:1: "The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons."

Christian Rock? Don't Delude Yourself

Christian Rock Opens the Door to Sin

Summary

Bullet Points:

1. Satan created rock music. A "deal at the crossroads" was struck with Robert Byrd Johnson, who later died at 27. He is the first of the "27 Club", musicians under this curse who die at 27. Amy Whinehouse is the most recent.

2. All forms of rock, regardless of adjectives like "Christian" are branches of that same Satanic tree.

3. A person who believes because of the testimony at a Christian rock concert is a true believer. It doesn't matter how you heard, only that you heard.

4. Believers with the Spirit of God want to be closer to God. Seeking God, they come to realize that unholy things and habits are a barrier to closeness with God. And, they will eradicate such habits and things. Rock music is one of those things.

5. Got saved at a rock concert? Great. Now, keep growing. Get rid of rock music.

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CrystalSingleton 4 years ago from HBeach,Ca

I am confused by your article. I hear a lot of preaching but i don't really understand the message. Are you for or against the Christian Rock? Are there any boundaries to how GOD reaches his Children...all children have different needs, teaching them may vary based on the way they perceive information. What is your stance on this subject, for or against Christian Rock?


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

The enemy is able to block your understanding, to "blind" a person against seeing what is directly in front of them. I will add some bullet points to be more blatant.


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CrystalSingleton 4 years ago from HBeach,Ca

So if a person comes to the Lord through a rock concert where he is ministered to and receives the word of GOD, he is actually serving SATAN? Bullets 1 and 3 are a contradiction, as a long term Christian I am still confused and not convinced the enemy is blocking my understanding.


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CrystalSingleton 4 years ago from HBeach,Ca

Is a person still a christian if they are saved at a christian rock concert where they received the word of God and are ministered to? Bulletins 1 and 3 are contradictory. As a long term Christian I am grateful to the different avenues that GOD uses to reach his children. I don't feel it is the enemy who blinds me, I feel like God is using different outreaches to reach the lost in these end times. Would you agree or disagree?


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Crystal,

Your first question, "So if a person comes to the Lord through a rock concert where he is ministered to and receives the word of GOD, he is actually serving SATAN?" is not about anything I have written here. A person who gets saved from a hireling (or someone serving their own ego) has really become a new believer.

If 1 and 3 seem contradictory, you do not understand them. Can you ask a more specific question? Or, are you just looking really hard to fault my position? (A sincere question I hope you will ask yourself. The article and videos are very clear on my position and the bullet points are also very direct. Your confusion is rooted in something.)


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CrystalSingleton 4 years ago from HBeach,Ca

NOT at all, its not my nature to fault anyones position. Bulletin one, "Satan created ROck Music" Bulletin three, "A person who believes because of the testimony at a Christian rock concert is a true believer. It doesn't matter how you heard, only that you heard." it sounds as though you are saying they got their message from satan. Look i am a christian, I am just weary about your message on how Christ uses his vessels to reach out to his children. TO strengthen and encourage them in ways only GOd knows us. I am not knocking your article, I was hub hopping and I saw it, and i was confused on your stance. In one position you clearly state people are coming to the lord through christian rock while on the other hand you blatantly call Rock music a product of Satan. I was just confused on your stance. I support your efforts to reach out to people. I am sorry for the double post earlier, i forget it has to be approved and i thought i forgot to submit it. Did not mean to double post.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

I am in agreement with scripture. In reference to some copy-cats, Jesus said that anyone who is using the name of Jesus to cast out devils should be permitted to do so, even though, "they follow us not". (John 9:49-50). Whoever is for us is not easily against us, Jesus said. Paul thanked God for the "hirelings" who preach. Even though those hirelings will not enter Heaven because they preach only for money and not for the Kingdom, those who hear and believe by them really become children of God.

The same is true for any kind of rebellious follower, who does what he wants, but does not obey what Jesus told us to do: Cast out devils, heal the sick, cleanse the lepers and preach the gospel.

Please understand that my message has been refined many times to ward off the kinds of letters I have received in the past. The first of which is someone thinking they are not really saved because they heard the gospel of salvation at a concert.

It does not matter where you hear it, or by whom you hear it. What matters is the response.

Another danger of the "word only" altar-call type of salvation is that the people do not see the power of God. Jesus went out testifying of himself and showed that the Holy Spirit also testified of Him by enforcing not only his own words, but also the words of those who cast out "in the name of Jesus."

When tribulation comes, when the lawless one calls down fire out of Heaven and says that he, not the "flying spaghetti monster" (as atheists say), or some misunderstood alien (as New Agers and Star Trek say)is GOD Almighty, what will the word-only believers do?

We need to just obey. Lay hands on the sick, cast out devils.

In the tribulation, who is strengthened more: the one who sees the devil defeated in the name of Jesus and the deaf hearing, the blind seeing, and the dead raised, or the one who has faith by hearing only? Many are talked into following God, and have never seen God's power.

I am addressing a real, prevalent problem in the church.


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WD Curry 111 4 years ago from Space Coast

Give me a break brother. Half of what you have said here is pure nonsense. The self-righteous of their day took the same stance against "Amazing Grace" (put to a bar tune) and other "radical", "worldly" music that now fill the Baptist Hymnal and are regarded by all to be inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Satan did not create rock music or hurricanes. Rock music came out of American Pentecostal and Spirit filled churches like the Assemblies of God and American Methodist Episcopal. Their wayward sons were just jamming the only music they knew when they took it to the honky tonks. Here is a prime example:

http://youtu.be/3KUzNsz85Pk

This line of teaching is a trap for you and anyone else who falls for it, brother. You are deluding yourself into believing that you can stamp God's approval on this artist or that . . . this style of music or that. It is all good once it has been sanctified!

The snare is set to capture those who are followers of a certain brand of leadership. They have their "holy" culture confused with God's will . . . like the Calvinist missionaries to Hawaii who made the Hawaiians cover up in stiff, dark clothing and quit dancing the Hula. If they knew the truth, they would have stripped to their shorts and danced the Hula to the Glory of God.

The same kind of leadership will have you believe that there is a magic elevator ride out of the tribulation for the Church called the "Rapture". Did I nail it? Are you spreading that, too? If you are, then you have accepted a "recognized authority" as your teacher and ignored the plain truth of scripture. The tribulation is for the Church. No one goes home until the dragon is slain by the lamb on the last day. We are not waiting for the rapture, we are waiting for the "Day of the Lord".


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

WD Curry 111:

You are correct that we will not be caught up into the clouds. Anyone who sits down and actually reads the Bible - and studies it - will learn that all the scriptures proffered to support that people will be protected by being taken up are actually about people being protected while yet on the earth.

There is no delusion about being able to make a "right judgment" based upon the Wisdom of the Holy Spirit.

I recommend you watch "They Sold Their Souls for Rock 'n Roll". It is free on YouTube.


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WD Curry 111 4 years ago from Space Coast

Nice catch, brother.

I've seen the video and many like it over the years. I have also heard plenty of other stuff by people who don't know anything more than the secular roots of rock and roll. They are experts of their own experience, and it is limited. I heard an old Baptist preacher proclaim there would never be drums in his church. He wouldn't allow that beat from "pagan Africa" in the door.

True praise is beyond music, anyway. I suppose you can't worship with Indian Music on a sitar or Tibetan, Vietnamese, Reggae, Middle Eastern, Celtic, and on and on. They all had roots in paganism. You don't understand sanctification!

You want to burden me with a misconception. I won't carry it and I encourage others not to. "Perfect Love casts out fear." What do you want me to be afraid of?

Did you listen to the old "bluesy" tune that came out of "pagan Africa" that I posted to show you the real roots of rock and roll? You don't have the only franchise from the Holy Spirit, brother. Wake up. Third Day, the Staple Singers, Mercy Me, Aretha Franklin, Mighty Clouds of Joy, Zack Reynolds and on and on rock the house that is built on the rock. I left out the Native Americans . . . sorry . . . I left out a host of others too. This isn't anointed? I say it is . . . big time!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twuLr5rQmp0

Check this out for some get down roots of Rock and Roll. It sounds dated, because it is. This style of music goes back to slavery days. You can't stay in your pew over at Macedonia Missionary Baptist Church when they hit this one. These folks taught us how to lay on hands, again. Crippled WILL get up and dance on a good day.

http://youtu.be/y5uwXJusKhM

There's nobody getting out of wheelchairs when you walk down the street.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

You keep attacking certain ideas as if I have said them. You say rock music originated in places it did not. If things can be sanctified, why did God tell his people to kill every sheep and every cow and every child of corrupted people? And to leave all the gold and silver, and take nothing with them from the enemy's camp?

I have never said Satan was incapable of seeding his works in more than one place, or of grafting his corruption into an existing system of music.

Intrinsic to your challenge is a kind of statement that I am attacking all music. I am attacking rock and roll. You say it originated in Africa? If so, so what? Does that mean Robert Byrd Johnson never met Satan and received a gift which started modern rock music? It certainly does not.

The bottom line is in the fruit:

1. It is NOT rock music that saves anyone. It is the preaching of the gospel at the end that brings some. Those evangelists should have brought casting out devils and healing the sick to the table. How many MORE would come to see that?

2. Those who keep rock music, play rock music, and own rock culture icons like CDs, t-shirts, etc., are establishing a right for the enemy to come into their lives. Those who cleanse their hearts and lives of such things get free from things not even directly associated with rock: things like drug use, anger, and rebellion against parents go away.


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CrystalSingleton 4 years ago from HBeach,Ca

You say everyone is attacking you, but it seems as a writer you would want to spark conversation preferably in controversial topics, I know i do....but i think you used the term attack on my post as well as this other party. If you really want to reach people don't use the term attack. You should use it as an opportunity to share your gift. Making an article public is open to discussion. I am not saying this as an enemy but as a friend. Hey i have an article that sparked nothing but hate mail. I am proud, that so many people took the time to read my stuff. Its an accomplishment.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Thus far, two people have challenged my position. I have used the word "attack" in exactly one post. That post responds to WD Curry only.


Lone Ranger 4 years ago

I am not smart enough to know where Rock-n-Roll music came from, nor do I care, but, in my mind, if one were to write John 3:16 on a piece of paper, for instance, place it in a zip-lock baggie, swallow said baggie, wait 24 hours, then harvest said baggie during one's next bowel movement; one could expect to receive the Message contained in the baggie, but one must really question whether the mechanism of delivery is as healthy and pure as it could be.

Said another way...

Suppose one were to write a Christian message on a 3x5 card and then reach inside a glass pitcher in order to glue the message to its base. Once that mission is complete, fill said pitcher with a murky liquid of questionable character before asking your guests to ingest the questionable concoction in order to see the message awaiting them at the bottom.

Again, your guests will receive the message, but one should question the health, purity, and sanitation of the delivery system. If your guests were wise, they should ask themselves if there is a better mechanism, in the future, for receiving the Word of God.

Hope I didn't ruin anyone's dinner - L.R.


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WD Curry 111 4 years ago from Space Coast

Call it an attack if you want. It is. I am calling bull on you and attacking the lie you believe. Who convinced you that you are in authority? You don't know me. I was a dead man walking, brother. You want to talk about spiritual gifts? How about discerning of spirits. You are being walked down a rabbit trail. It doesn't lead to the cross.

You are confident in your ignorance of the roots of Rock and Roll. Who are you talking to? I'm not wrong at all. I know, and every discerning ear can tell. Your experts are controlling influences that I don't recognize. They make a good point for an overly legalistic misconception. I am not to submit to garbage like that. I am led by the Spirit, not driven by fear. Your misapplication of old testament theology is a weak demonic tactic. Don't let them convince you dance to that tune. They sell tickets to the the show, fill the bleachers and laugh.

Go back and read it again. You didn't listen well to what I said, and your contrary statements are way off the mark of any statement I made. Your experts are fear mongers. Rock and Roll started in the Slave quarters, and I gave you semi-modern examples of the old tunes. So what if some bozo was singing boogie at the crossroads. The devil will subvert anything. Is "He Reigns" anointed? You didn't answer my question. There is a litmus test.

I reiterate . . . you do not comprehend sanctification. You are skating on thin Ice.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

It may very well be that portions of modern rock music started "in the slave quarters", or in continental Africa, or in Europe where the first guitars were made. Even the electric keyboard can be traced to the piano.

Something I have not said is that any particular element of "ROCK AND ROLL" is demonic, except for this: the spirit of Satan, the blessing of Satan, to create "ROCK AND ROLL".

No one reading this is going to believe that rock and roll was being played on a Southern plantation in 1860.

Tell me, How did Robert Byrd Johnson change from the worst musician amongst his acquaintances to the very best of all time, lauded even by Mick Jagger? He disappeared for three months and returned with skill beyond what anyone else has been able to duplicate (according to modern rockers.)

I don't mind your challenges, Curry. This is what I know: asking questions is a sign of interest. My hope is that you are, in the most important way, looking for some truth in this.

Many times, the one who aggressively rejects a teaching today, becomes the teacher of the same thing in a few months. A seed of truth will grow where there is good soil. May our Father in Heaven bless you with the truth and the power to overcome the lies in all things. I pray the same for myself.

Peace.


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WD Curry 111 4 years ago from Space Coast

Robert Johnson may have made a deal with Satan, but Jesus sealed the deal for me! I rock for the Rock! You will hear me in heaven if you make it. You are playing the devil's game. I don't banter nonsense with demons. I see it is time for scripture:

"If you have died with Christ to the elementary principals of this world, why, as if you were living in the world do you submit yourself to decrees such as, 'Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!' (which all refer to things that are destined to perish with use) in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?

These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self made religion and self abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence. Therefore, if you have been raised with Christ, keep seeking the things from above . . ."

"No one reading this is going to believe that rock and roll was being played on a Southern plantation in 1860"

You know it is true. Why are you lying? You don't want to separate from your old friend who gave you those dreams, Jack. You would do better to play some get down music with me and stay off of those Ukrainian Whore sites.

You won't leave this up, but you heard me! No wonder you had an urge to lose followers.

Answer the question. Is that song anointed?


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

The scripture you quote from Colossians 2:20 on is taken out of context. Read the sections above. You will see the conversation is about not submitting to people telling you to DO something that is not required: participate in certain Sabbaths and holy days, etcetera.

You still dance around my point: those who open the door to the devil find troubles in their lives. I am not telling anyone to ADD a religious activity of doing or not doing: I am saying, "Kick the devil out."


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Col 2:20 tells people to not submit to religious tradition. Staying away from the devil is not a tradition any more than not playing in the middle of the highway.

If you knew how holy many of the Ukrainian ladies are, you would feel very, very ashamed of yourself for your comment.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

I will not be permitting any further negative comments on this hub. If you wish to sound off, please produce your own hub.


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mommygonebonkers 4 years ago

I was not trying to be rude and I hope you did not take my previous comment the wrong way


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

For every 4 or 5 letters I receive on this issue of Christian "rock 'n roll" (rock 'n roll is a euphemism meaning to fornicate, btw), I receive one letter from someone with their testimony on how they got free from rock music, or rap music, or hip hop (based on Egyptian teachings, and is a lifestyle, not just a music genre).

Saying rock is just music is like saying vulgar speech is just language. Saying rock music started somewhere before Satan mixed leaven and created a version called rock is like saying vulgar speech did not begin with the first curse word, it began with the very first word.

Music and speech were pure in the beginning. At some point, Satan came in and mixed venomous seed into these. When did the first evil, wicked music actually start? I don't know. When did the first seed that grew into rock music get planted? It seems it was with Robert Johnson "at the crossroads", which term has become a popular lyric in rock music.

Most who read this hub will consider it to be silly. Some will attack it. However, those who do some research will begin to question what they believe. Look up John Todd, an Ex-Illuminati warlock. He said that the satanists realized they could not easily curse the Christians directly. So, they determined to trick Christians into cursing themselves- by controlling the music industry as best they can. Listen to many "Christian" rock/pop lyrics on the Christian radio. What are they actually saying? Do you want those things in your life? No? Then why speak them?


Lone Ranger 4 years ago

I do not remember the name of the man, but he was the drummer for AC/DC. He said that AC/DC deliberately produced music that manipulated people into feeling lust...just by the music, it's sound, and its speed. He said he was so sexually aroused by the end of their concerts, that he would have to masterbate for a quick release.

I also read how Amy Grant said that Jesus didn't sell records as well as secular music, so she made the transition. I also read an interview with Amy and she stated that she would get sexually aroused at some of her concerts and even used the "F" word to describe what she wanted to do (in her younger days).

No, I do not think, in most cases, Rock-n-roll is a good medium for God's word. But hey, many "Christians" celebrate Christmas and Halloween because it makes them feel good, too.

Best wishes - L.R.


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WD Curry 111 4 years ago from Space Coast

"Something I have not said is that any particular element of "ROCK AND ROLL" is demonic, except for this: the spirit of Satan, the blessing of Satan, to create "ROCK AND ROLL".''

How are you privy to what satan says?


truthseeker 4 years ago

In your opinion, what specific thing determines whether a song is or is not acceptable? The presence of a beat, or lack thereof? Distorted guitar? If a Christian wants to make music, what are the boundaries? What exactly do you consider "rock n roll"?


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

truthseeker: I have been receiving hate mail because of my telling the truth about rock for a very long time. To save us both time, let me tell you how this conversation goes. First, your point is not to seek information to learn; you want to find some point upon which you can attack my position- rock music is of Satan. No matter what is said, you will find some passage in the Bible that has the same English word and then justify yourself.

However, too bad for you, my position is this: I know by the Holy Spirit within me that it is bad. I know it is a rotten tree because I look at the fruit of it. I consider to be evil anything that the Holy Spirit does not like. I seek to be in agreement with God Almighty.

So, you see, I have not fallen for your trap. The best argument for "Christian rock" is this one: "But, people get saved (I got saved, some say) at a Christian rock concert."

My response is this: God told you to go out and preach the gospel and CAST OUT DEVILS, HEAL THE SICK, AND CLEANSE THE LEPERS. Why do Christian rockers substitute the command of Jesus for their own choice: preaching the gospel with no proof, but only some words at the end of playing the devil's music.

People introduced to Jesus in that way will be in need of further cleansing and edification.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

WD Curry: Like so many others, you want to pretend, need to pretend, that I have said something else, that something else is going on. You pretend that I am talking to Satan, who told me rock is his own music. My sources are these:

1. The Holy Spirit has confirmed to me several times that He does not like rock.

2. Other anointed Christian leaders warn that rock is demonic. Benjamin Baruch saw demons at a rock concert- they came as soon as the first stick hit a drum. The leader of Christian Churches in Russia also wrote an open letter to Christian churches after the collapse of the USSR lamenting the work of American missionaries which brought rock music. It was recognized as clearly demonic.

3. The words of Robert Byrd Johnson himself told friends that he had made a deal with the devil "at the crossroads" to become a great musician in exchange for his soul.

So, though it may be convenient for you to tell yourself that I am talking with the devil -I am not- about rock music, it is not true.

Further, even Jesus spoke with Satan. God Himself spoke with Satan over the issue of Job. Archangel Michael spoke with Satan concerning the body of Moses. So, there would be no problem IF I had heard Satan claim rock was his own (except that he is a liar, and not believable).

I hope you will increase in your love and knowledge of our Father in Heaven. Peace.


truthseeker 4 years ago

Man from Modesto: I ask for advice about a subject I happen to be struggling with a lot right now, and this is the response I get? You accusing me of trying to attack you? Wow. Sorry I asked.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

If you want to stop struggling with rock music, do this:

1. Throw out all the rock music from your house. CDs, cassettes, posters, concert t-shirts, concert videos- all of it.

2. Repent of your actions to God.

3. Proclaim to the enemy that they are no longer welcome and have no right to be in your life. Command them to "go and do not return."

4. Stay away from people and places associated with/doing/hosting rock music- these can lead the newly delivered back into the old thing.

5. Read and pray in an increased way. This always strengthens the spirit and is highly conducive to making right decisions.

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I promise you, if I had listed a straight answer, the part of you that is struggling FOR rock music would have attacked my answer. I have been having these conversations for YEARS.

When I give an answer like the one I gave, I get a response like the one you posted. Nothing new. Peace.


truthseeker 4 years ago

Listen. I'm not trying to defend anything. I happen to agree with you, Christian rock is a joke. All I wanted to know is, what kind of music is acceptable? With certain kinds of music I have a difficult time knowing whether to label it rock or not. Some would consider all forms of modern music to be evil. Some would consider anything with drums in it to be evil. Some wouldn't take it that far, but only consider aggressive and heavy music to be evil. I see it all the time, no one can agree about anything. All I want is truth, and I was genuinely curious which one of these categories you fall into. Not because I'm looking for a loophole to be able to say "Aha!", but because when Christians make vague statements such as "rock music is of the devil", that really does not, at least to me, clarify what is and is not appropriate to listen to.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

The simple test for all things is to trust that you are now one with the Holy Spirit, who exists INSIDE of you.

Looking for head-knowledge, or finding a rule is a mistake. The reason I specifically do not name a particular aspect is that I am NOT calling any particular instrument always-evil.

It is a SPIRIT that transfers when one person sees another rocker, the fruit of Satan, and a seed is planted in his heart... he wants to rock... and maybe later gets saved. But refuses to release the rock star dream, and so becomes a "rocker for Christ". This is just repackaging of the old seed of Satan.

Here is what I have from some of my many, many prayers over this issue: IF (pretend that is a big, 12-inch "if" on your screen) rock had ever been invented in a vacuum, completely isolated from the seed of the other tree Satan started, it would be acceptable.

I once went to a conference. A speaker said, "Let's give a clap offering to the Lord." Everything else the speaker presented seemed solid and Biblical. But, a 'clap offering' seemed odd to me. So, I went home and prayed, "Is there any such thing as a clap offering?" In this case, the Holy Spirit answered immediately. He said, "Whatever the people offer, I receive (paused)... As long as they offer it with a right heart."

The thing with Christian rock is this: there is always an element of wanting to be the one on stage, wanting the adoration of the fans.

And, some Christian pop rock music is from the pack of "wolves in sheep's clothing". Do some research on Michael W. Smith. You will find well-documented, clearly explained essays and web sites showing you who he really is.


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WD Curry 111 4 years ago from Space Coast

I see my posts are still here. That re-inforces what I claim. There is a controlling, manipulative, religious spirit behind all of this.

Please remove my posts.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

WD Curry,

I kindly sent a note to you requesting that you cease posting angry messages on my hubs. Because it is demonstrative of those who refuse to release what is unclean, your posts should remain. You made them, there is no reason for me to remove them, except in the case of repentance.

The nature of the accuser is also something all of us are better off without.


bob 4 years ago

*facepalm*


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udontnomi 4 years ago from intense introspection

Excuse me, are you talking about Robert Johnson the blues guitarist from the thirties? You aren’t serious are you? Those are old juke joint legends. You have been watching too many movies where the devil actually shows himself to make deals with people.

Hello? It doesn’t work that way. The devil doesn’t waste time on people. He has his minions for that. The only man satan ever got up to do anything about was Jesus. He knew a real threat to his reign on earth when he saw it.

This is irresponsible journalism at best.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Does a CEO pack boxes on the assembly line? No. Yet, Steve Jobs is credited with the work done by Apple employees.

If by proxy or otherwise, Satan is faulted as the top man of his NGO.

Back to the meeting with Johnson, Johnson himself said he met "the devil".

PS- have you noticed the one common string in the recent shooting series: music.

Keywords for you to search: John Todd, "They Sold Their Souls for Rock 'n Roll"


SirDent 4 years ago

Unless my memory fails me, the term rock and roll was originally used as a term describing sex. I think I understand what you are saying in this hub, but then again, I may be wrong. There are certain types of music I didn't listen to even before the Lord saved me.

The biggest problem I see is this. You painted everything with a broad brush, yet said some are called of God to do what you wrote against.

I would like to know who created music in the first place. I don't recall Satan ever creating anything according to the Bible. God created.

David played music before the Lord. Even before that the musicians would go out before the army playing their instruments in worship and praise. The tribe of Judah, right?

Personally, I hate rap music and rock and roll music is a thing of my past. I play for the Lord now.

David played the harp for Saul to calm the satanic spirit inside him. Music can sooth just as easily as it can cause a frenzy.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Dent,

You outlined the case supporting that some music is righteous. I agree with you. The broad brush I use here includes ALL rock and roll music, yes- that descended from the tree born in Robert Byrd Johnson. Those roots go down to darkness, and the fruit is all evil.

Deliverance ministers with long records of success in setting people free often cover the door to demons opened by owning rock music CDs, tapes, t-shirts, posters, and other related objects.

I think you will be interested in "They Sold Their Souls for Rock 'n Roll". It is available free on YouTube.

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