What is man, if Jesus is both man and God?


There are various theories and claims by Christians to justify the divinity of Jesus Christ. There are conflicting views even among Christians as to who Jesus really was. This is because some Christians believe in the trinity while others don’t share same view. It is also known that even among those Christians that may not actually accept the concept of the trinity but some of them still believe that Jesus is God while some claim Jesus is the son of God and not God, himself. Some religions think it is disrespect for people to claim God has a son while others still claim we are all sons and daughters of God.

Those that share the above mentioned beliefs used the same bible to justify their claims because just as their views conflict so is it that the bible conflicts on the personality of Jesus in that Jesus said different things about himself. However, let us assume that Jesus is a God that came in the form of a man. That is he was/is both God and man. Then among the various Christian sects, it is the Gnostics and few other Christians that have come close to explaining how such can be possible in that they claim that man can and has the ability to awaken the divine spark and by so doing awaken the Christos and a mortal man can become a God or a son of God depending on how one wants to put it.

If it is possible for man to become a God and a man at same time, then what is man? That is, how can we define man? There are definitions of man but most of the definitions used simple terms like “man is a male or a husband among others.” However, the definition of man which I found suitable in this context is that defined by a man called, Maurice Polydore Marie Bernard, simply called Maeterlinck. He was said to be a Belgian initiate and he said, “What is man but a god afraid” which can be put this way “man is nothing but a god afraid.”

Therefore, Jesus Christ may be right to claim that he was the son of God or God and there is nothing wrong with it because we are all sons of God or God. After all when the Jews tried to condemn Jesus for his claims, he said to them, “Is it not written; ye are gods?” which means he knew that men are gods but the difference between him and the men of his time was that he knew it while they didn’t know it and that made his claim strange to them. Therefore, just like Jesus Christ, a man that knows the secret can be both a man and a god.

It is amazing why the claims of Jesus seem to raise much dust when many men in human history had made similar claims. Some of them claimed to be sons of heaven, son of God, and God himself. The list is many and even those that did not personally make claims were made Gods after they died because of what they did. Therefore, it is wrong for us to think Jesus is the only person or the first person to make such claims because many men had made similar claims. It was said one of such men that claimed to be God raised someone that was dead for over 30 days and the people of his time was against him for working against the natural laws. It was same man that jumped from a cliff to prove he was a God. May be the difference between these men and Jesus maybe that Jesus was said to resurrect, a claim which not even the Jews accept because only the followers of Jesus claimed to had witnessed it. However, some people still appear and are seen after they died even in the current age, even though they may be call ghosts, so it depends on what resurrection met to his followers. St. Germain a man some people claimed never really saw death and as such remains immortal can quickly come to mind in this situation.

Therefore, there is nothing wrong or mysterious with the claims Jesus made because it is what any man that is sane and willing can actually achieve even though it may not be an easy task as claimed by the arcane school that alleged they still have the keys to such mysteries. It means that a man can be a man and a God. There are many of such men even in our time although many of them choose to live silently among men while few are still making the claims but they won’t be heard because such claim is unreasonable or strange to an ordinary man or it may even be a sin for man to claim to be a God even when it is written, “ye are gods,” and “beloved now are we called the sons of God.”

The funny truth is that most people claim to be the sons and daughters of God even when they have no powers to confirm it so what makes them different from the ordinary man, if the sons and daughters of God are without powers while the powers rest in the hands of the said evil parties? We can name the evil parties because they are those we oppose as we don’t agree with their belief or the source of their powers.

Whatever, the point is that man has the ability to awaken the giant that sleeps within himself just as Paul realized when he woke up to the truth. It is a mystery and as such it is something made for a few even though it is the right of all men. However, in recent years some religious movements like the Grail movement, Rosicrucian, Eckist among few others seem to teach that one can develop such personal and direct relationship with God even though they are not looked well upon by most Christians.

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Cristale 4 years ago from Florida

This hub should include some pictures and more information. It was interesting and useful knowledge.


davıdkaluge 4 years ago

Thanks for your comment. I shall cons?der do?ng that.


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James A Watkins 3 years ago from Chicago

You certainly have published an interesting Hub here. You write, "some Christians believe in the trinity while others don’t share same view"

While that is true, perhaps it would have been more accurate to say that only 99% of the Christians believe in the Trinity, to provide some balance to your declaration.

You write, "However, let us assume that Jesus is a God that came in the form of a man. That is he was/is both God and man."

Well, yes. Jesus was God Incarnate, He was the Creator God breaking into human time as a once-off event. We can assume that, indeed.

You write: "Then among the various Christian sects, it is the Gnostics and few other Christians that have come close to explaining how such can be possible in that they claim that man can and has the ability to awaken the divine spark and by so doing awaken the Christos"

No. You and I cannot just decide to be Christ. There is only one Christ, Christ Jesus. Christ is a title. It means anointed ONE. That's one as in one and only.

You ask: "how can we define man?"

Man is a living breathing soul, created in the Image of the Creator God. He lives, he dies, and he faces Judgment.

You write, "Therefore, Jesus Christ may be right to claim that he was the son of God or God and there is nothing wrong with it because we are all sons of God or God."

But Jesus never claimed to be like you or me in the sense you are implying. HE is the Way and the Truth and Life NOT you or me.

You write, "After all when the Jews tried to condemn Jesus for his claims, he said to them, “Is it not written; ye are gods?” which means he knew that men are gods but the difference between him and the men of his time was that he knew it while they didn’t know it and that made his claim strange to them. Therefore, just like Jesus Christ, a man that knows the secret can be both a man and a god."

That is not what Jesus meant at all. He was referring to Psalm 82:6. In this psalm, God is declared to be the great Judge of all the earth. He is contrasted with the earthly judges who "judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked". They are the ones who are called gods. A god is one who is exalted and powerful. He makes decisions in the lives of others. These powerful men were gods (not God) because of their power, but because of their unjust judgment they will "die like men, and fall like one of the princes". Their power will not keep them from death or from their own judgment.

You write, "It is amazing why the claims of Jesus seem to raise much dust when many men in human history had made similar claims. Some of them claimed to be sons of heaven, son of God, and God himself."

No man ever claimed to be what Jesus claimed to be except for some who are in lunatic asylums. Does Jesus strike you as crazy? He raised so much dust and got himself killed precisely because he claimed to be the One God Incarnate. The Jews exactly what he meant. Confucius, Buddha, Moses, Mohammed---none of them claimed to be God.

You write, "Therefore, it is wrong for us to think Jesus is the only person or the first person to make such claims because many men had made similar claims. It was said one of such men that claimed to be God raised someone that was dead for over 30 days and the people of his time was against him for working against the natural laws. It was same man that jumped from a cliff to prove he was a God."

Does this man you describe have billions of followers today too? To whom do you refer and mockingly compare to the Savior of Mankind?

You write, "The funny truth is that most people claim to be the sons and daughters of God even when they have no powers to confirm it so what makes them different from the ordinary man, if the sons and daughters of God are without powers while the powers rest in the hands of the said evil parties? We can name the evil parties because they are those we oppose as we don’t agree with their belief or the source of their powers."

A son or daughter of God is simply a person who accepts God's grace with faith, powers or no powers. The evil powers are those that oppose God, plain and simple.

The Christian Faith is about an Event. First John establishes that Christians must believe that Christ came in the flesh. There goes the Gnostic idea of a divine phantom. 1 Corinthians fixes belief in the historical resurrection of Jesus as the indispensable basis of salvation.

Some Gnostics believed Jesus to be a mere man, some believed him a heavenly ghost (Docetism). Some men tirelessly scheme, and are schemed for by demons, searching for substitute explanations of the simple Gospel Truth.

Most Gnostics identified evil with matter. Because of this they viewed the Creator God as wicked. In their concepts, the ultimate deity could have no contact with the material world. They devised an elaborate scheme of emanations, a long train of divine creatures the lowest of which was the God of the Jews—and the Creator of this World.

Many Gnostics think the "Christ" came into Jesus at his baptism and left before his crucifixion. Most modern skeptics reject the divinity of Jesus but the Gnostics generally go the other way and reject his humanity.

But matter is NOT bad or evil. Bread and Wine are good. God invented eating. He invented matter. And said it was VERY GOOD. The material world is worthy to be used and enjoyed by man. The body is God's gift to man for life on earth and for the life to come. The body is no burden to be discarded, even at death it is to be treated respectfully. The pagans burn bodies. They burn refuse; we bury treasure.

Redemption comes not by following some guru or by secret knowledge but by God's action in history. Man does not need a teacher. He needs a savior.


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davidkaluge 3 years ago Author

Thanks James for your comment and explanations. Before I respond, just have it in mind that we can only interpret the scripture base on our understanding and belief and that does not mean we are certain than others in that it is a personal journey and understand which differ among people.

To use percentage for trinity will have to be based on statistics but we know that many Christian groups/churches come up daily with different doctrines expect you want to use the older Christian churches for your analysis.

The second part is an assumption which is still personal assumption because not all Christian buy that idea and even non-Christians.

The third part of your comment is your personal belief but I write to represent various beliefs. So you can decide or cannot be Christ while others belief they can.

Your definition of man is simple but some people see it more than that and they are the mystics.

James, Jesus claimed to be man, son of man, son of God, and one with his father so you are wrong here.

"ye are gods" check the situation in which Jesus made the comment then you will understand that it was when the Jew went against his claim of being one with God so he used it to defend his statement. Moreover in psalms, it was said "ye are all children of the most high" so it is just based on your understanding of the verse.

Ask history and it will tell you that men had claimed to be God and even tried to prove it so Jesus is not unique in any way by this claim.

Redemption is relative and should be made for those that think they need to be redeemed by someone somewhere therefore it will be wrong to use that teaching against all men in that you may be saved by redemption, if you belief it will while others have their own ways be it pagan, Gnostic or any other religion. You being a Christian do not in any single way make you better than others. It is your actions and the fruit you produce that matters.

Lastly, I understand that you write as you belief but that should not stop others from do same. Do not mind who is right because it is not your duty to judge any man. Save yourself, my friend because you can only be accountable for your actions. We are so often tempted or claim to save others and has not helped us in any way because it most often end in debates and conflicts just like some religious groups use terrorism while some make hate speeches because they think they know it all. We did not write the scriptures we only interpret it as we understand it.

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