When We Die, Do We Go To Heaven?

Ashes To Ashes, And Dust To Dust.

Adam came from and was returned to dust. Most churches teach that when we die we go to Heaven. A few do not, like Jehovah Witness churches. Also, even when people experience a temporary death, such as a cardiac arrest, then come back after CPR, then tell of the experience of going to Heaven or Hell the medical editor of the Arizona Republic wrote: " When physical prowess is at it's is at is lowest ebb as the result of disease, or injury, automatic control or bodily functions diminish accordingly. Thus, the nervous system are released and pour out in an uncontrolled quantity. The result, after returning to consciousness, among other manifestations , is the hallucination and rationalization of having died and returned to life.-May 197 no.1977, Also, reported in Psychology Today,1981.

There are also many churches that teach, when we die we go to Heaven, but that is not what is written in the bible. There are many verses in the bible that teach us, that when we die we go to sleep, or rest in the ground.

Jesus Christ spoke about the condition of the dead John 11:-14. After saying this He told them "our friend Lazarus has gone to sleep, but I am going to awaken him." The disciples said to him " Lord, if he had fallen asleep, then he will be alright." Jesus, however had been speaking about his death but the thought he was referring to merely to sleep. The Jesus told them " Lazarus is dead." Then Jesus traveled with he disciples to the place where Lazarus was. Lazarus had already been put into a tomb and had been dead for four days. John 11:39-44 Jesus said "Take away the stone" Martha, the sister of the dead man, said to Him " Lord, already there is a stench because he has been dead for four days" Jesus said to her " Did I not tell you to that if you believed, you would see the glory of God?" So, they took away the stone and Jesus looked upward and said "Father, I thank You for having heard, I know that You always hear Me, but I have said this for the sake of the crowd standing here, so they may believe You sent Me." When He said this, He cried out in a loud voice " Lazarus, come out." Then the dead man came out. His hands and feet bound with strips of cloth, and his face wrapped in cloth Jesus said to them " Unbind him and let him go" If Lazarus had already gone to Heaven, why would Jesus have made him come back?

Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 The living know they will die, but the dead know nothing. They have no more, they have no more reward, and even memory of them is lost. Their love and envy already perished; never again will they have any share in all that happens under the sun.

However, this does not mean the are dead forever. In Revelation it is written that we will be brought back. Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and ( Hades is a Hebrew word that translates from the word grave), Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and they were all judged according to there deeds.

It is also written in Revelation 21 That there is a new Heaven and a new Earth for the first Heaven and the first Earth have passed away, and the sea was no more. The new Earth is Paradise, beautiful and everlasting.

So what do you believe, do we go to heaven now? Or do we wait while we are in the ground, or in the sea, and come back for Paradise?

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Dave Mathews 4 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

Michele: Christianity and God's Holy Word the Bible teaches us that; Yes the body our spirit lives in, at death will cease to live and is disposed of whether buried, cremated, or disposed at sea. But we are "Spirit" temporarily living in flesh. Our "Spirit" lives on and we return to heaven.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you for your comment Dave. I appreciate it very much. Can you provide scripture for this?


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BHays 4 years ago from Sarasota, Florida

I think in an enlightened age it is wise to look at the teachings of all world religions,such as karmic cycling and rebirth of the Buddhist.The commonality is the thread,not the differences.The numerous versions of the "Bible" have references to "sleep" such as in the King James Version of Kings (pretty much all them went to "sleep with their fathers") not just Lazarus rose from the "dead"but the ruler of the Synagogues daughter in Mark 5-35-5-43.There is commonality among all world religions regarding the life existence entity beyond the human form,and there is a common thread.


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Sturgeonl 4 years ago

Not all souls can go straight to heaven. It is difficult to enter into the gates of heaven. Only holy souls purified in the mercy of Jesus Christ may be able to enter immediately. Others who do not have this gift for the afterlife may need to wait in Hades which is void of all life. Hense, the pains of hell or purgatory. Only at the final judgement will these souls be given their eternal fate. At present billions of souls wait for our prayers. I believe that the prayer we give to other souls bestows God's grace upon them, in order to deliver strength and healing to help in their salvation.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

BHays Thank you for your comment. It is a very good one. Many different religions teach the same words from God.

God Bless you


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Sturgeonl Thank you for your comment you know a lot. Many know the bible and many do not. You are one of the people who know a lot, and I thank you for helping me to learn more.

God Bless you.


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aguasilver 4 years ago from Malaga, Spain

I'd be interested to see the scriptures that back Sturgeonl's statement!

As best I can understand it, there is more evidence pointing to what is called 'soul sleep' than to the immediate entrance into heaven, so my answer would be no, we are in 'soul sleep' (which I guess is not much different to our current physical sleep) until we are called at the end.


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Sturgeonl 4 years ago

What did Jesus say to the thief on the cross just before He died. It went something ie....today you will be with me in my Father's kingdom. God can take anyone he wants straight to heaven and the thief on the cross is a perfect example. The idea that every soul has the same fate is not what the bible says.


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Dave Mathews 4 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

There are many scriptures that would illustrate what I have said in my previous comment. Matt:5:3 comes to mind.


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Lady Summerset 4 years ago from Willingboro, New Jersey

Dear Michele, what an interesting subject. I was intrigued and started to do some research and here is an excerpt (to continue conversation on your hub):

According to Scripture, the soul leaves the body at death. The Gospels tell us that at the moment of his death, Jesus prayed, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” and then “he yielded up his spirit” (Luke 23:46; Mt 27:50). This text makes clear that Jesus’ soul did not remain in his dead body, but went into his Father’s hands. The first Christian martyr (after Jesus) was Stephen. Acts 7:59-60 describes his death: “And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them." And when he had said this, he fell asleep.” Ecclesiastes 12:7 describes death in these terms: “and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.” Notice, that according to this definition, the body has one destination and the spirit/soul has another.

Link: http://www.orlutheran.com/html/aftersoul.html

I'll be checking in periodically for more conversation.


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billybuc 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

Very nicely written, Michele, with great food for thought.


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Just AS I Am 4 years ago

My mom and I have talked about this subject a lot and reading the bible on the subject. Some of my conclusions are probably not even close to those from bible scholars and theologists. So forgive me if they sound silly, but here they are: God is not bound by time, so when the bible talks about saints being in Heaven already I wonder what reference of time it refers to, before or after revelations. That's when the judgement will happen, after revelations, well, so to speak. When Jesus was dead for 3 days he went to hell and got the keys unlocked his saints and freed them, are these the same saints? Am I mixing them up? And the graves will give up the dead, is that the dead after the cross? It was the conclusions I came to so it'd make sense in my head, someone correct me if I got it wrong.....Thank you for writing this!!!!!!! Oh, on a side note, my brother brought this to my attention, I thought it was really neat. When Jesus called Lazarus forth He had to call him by name or all the dead would have risen.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

aguasilver Thank you for your comment. Soul sleep, is very interesting to me. The more I read the bible, the more questions I have.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Sturgeonl What I have been taught is that Jesus was saying is that "I am telling you Today, that you will be in Paradise.

Not that you will be in Paradise today. Only that Jesus was telling him today.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Dave Mathews Matthew 5:3 Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth. Please you explain what that has to do with death and sleep?


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Lady Summerset That is very interesting. You know a lot and can teach me much more. When you do check in you can probably help me learn more. Thank you so much.


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Just AS I Am 4 years ago

I like the comment about "I'm telling you today". Makes me want to read my bible more and more, thank you!


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Just AS I Am, that is true, God is not bound by time. As for the sea giving up it's dead I think it is all of the dead. Those who died before and after Christ. As for the Saints, I do not know why the were in Hell. But, I believe that Saints in Heaven are there to serve God.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

billybuc Thank you for your comment:)


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Just AS I Am 4 years ago

Yes but when the devil tricked Eve and then Adam also tasted of the knowledge then they gave up the, man I can't go into it right now, lol, there is a 3 year old wanting cheese puffs and my other kids needing attention. BRB to give that a bettter answer......


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

lol...I understand that. Take good care of them. God bless you and your children.


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Just AS I Am 4 years ago

Thank you, I am going to see where I got that thought from, if I read it or was brought up with it. You never know, but I usually check before repeating it. My crazy family genes sneak in though. Blessings to you also =)


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Mhatter99 4 years ago from San Francisco

i am a Christian...


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Deborah Brooks 4 years ago from Brownsville,TX

Michele.. this is excellent.. I am sharing on my prayer page on Facebook.. they will love to read it.

Debbie


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Lady Summerset 4 years ago from Willingboro, New Jersey

Greetings again Michele, The key, I believe, to the question is the "soul" and "spirit." Man/woman is is triune being body, soul and spirit as follows:

In the outer circle the ‘Body’ is shown as touching the Material world through the five senses of ‘Sight,’ ‘Smell,’ ‘Hearing,’ ‘Taste’ and ‘Touch.’

The Gates to the ‘Soul’ are ‘Imagination,’ ‘Conscience,’ ‘Memory,’ ‘Reason’ and the ‘Affections.’

The “Spirit” receives impressions of outward and material things through the soul. The spiritual faculties of the ‘Spirit’ are ‘Faith,’ ‘Hope,’ ‘Reverence,’ ‘Prayer’ and ‘Worship.’

Adam's disobedience closed/cut-off the spirit communication which was restored by Christ. Take a look at this link: http://bible.org/seriespage/man-trinity-spirit-sou...

Secondly, back to the after death question:

Why are believers said to be "asleep" or "fallen asleep" after death?

Examples:

John 11:11-14

1 Thessalonians 5:9-11

1 Corinthians 15:20

The Bible uses the term "asleep" or "sleeping" when referring to the physical body of the believer at death. It is important to note that the term is used solely for believers. The dead body appears to be asleep when it is separated at death from the spirit and soul of the believer. The spirit and soul, which are eternal, are united with Christ at the moment of the believer's death (2 Corinthians 5:8). The body of the believer, which is mortal flesh, perishes, or "sleeps" until the day it is transformed and reunited to the believer at the final resurrection. (1 Corinthians 15:43; Philippians 3:21; 1 Corinthians 15:51)

Again, thanks for such a thought provoking hub. Reminding me of the significance of God "breathing" life into man!


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Mhatter99 Thank you for your comment

I am very glad you are a Christian

God Bless you.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Debbie

Thank so much for Sharing!


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Lady Summerset I am glad you a Christian also, and glad you will awake during the resurrection. ( 2 Corinthians 5:8)We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. Is wonderful, even though, it does not say when we will be with the Lord, we will still be with the Lord! Your comments are wonderful.


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Lady Summerset 4 years ago from Willingboro, New Jersey

Amen! One confidence we do have is that we shall AWAKE if we continue to hold to His unchanging hand!


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Just AS I Am 4 years ago

God is good, no matter what we are, that's for sure!! And he loves us because of who He is, not because of who we are. Thank God!!!!


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Lady Summerset You are right, we do need to hold he unchanging hand. He loves us, and we love Him! Praise be to God!


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Just AS I Am isn't that amazing? None of us is perfect, nor we ever be perfect, but He still loves us. And yes, THANK GOD!!!


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Just AS I Am 4 years ago

My favorite thing, that no matter what if we seek Him we will find Him. If we are the wrong road He will lead us if we seek His guidance. If we diligently seek Him with our whole heart then we can't go wrong. And only God knows a person's heart, so we aren't to judge if one person is seeking or reading the bible in one or another the wrong way. I trust God is strong enough to see to us all. He paid a debt of sin in a manner we couldn't, I just trust Him, and I'm not gonna take the job on of correcting people, not saying anyone is wrong, cause I haven't felt that way at all! It has been awesome talking with y'all, no hostility, and loving ways that everyone seems to be giving their own take on matters. Thank you to each of you!! =)


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Just AS I Am you have been wonderful. Everything you wrote was just the way it should be. Kind, not judging. Thank you for everything.

God Bless you


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Just AS I Am 4 years ago

You're most welcome, how kind of you, and very sincere =) thank you also!

God Bless you also =)


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michememe 4 years ago

This have me thinking. I really have no clue now. I am going to have to read those versus again for a better understanding. However, I always concluded they were with Jesus.


oceansider 4 years ago

As a daughter of the King, I know that dying and "going to sleep" mean the same thing....The reason that the scriptures call it going to sleep, is because Christians' souls go immediately home to Jesus our Lord and Savior, the moment we close our eyes in death....it's like taking a nap, and waking up at home in heaven with Jesus! .....However, if a person does not know Jesus as their God and Savior, their soul cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven.....Jesus said that if you do not know Him, you do not know the Father. .....

He said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me" John 14:6

**Also read:

1 John 5:11 & 12:

"And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; he who has not the Son of God, has not life." This means that only a person who knows Jesus Christ our Lord and loves and follows Him, will be able to live eternally in heaven with Him.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

michememe they are with Jesus, but know time as we know it, is not the same as it is to God. Maybe that is why the phrase " Twinkling of an eye" used.

Thank you for you comment and God Bless you.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

oceansider except for infants who have died. Infants have not sinned. It tells in Revelation 20:12-13 about how the dead were being judged according to their deeds. Since the innocent have not sinned, and have not had the chance to know Jesus they would not be judged.

Also, eternal life could mean Paradise. At least that is what I think it might me, after studying Revelation. Also, in Revelation 22:3-4 ( this is just a quick review) The throne of God and Jesus will be in Paradise and then we will be allowed to see God.

God Bless you


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BHays 4 years ago from Sarasota, Florida

This is from JesusReligion.com

What was Jesus' True Message?

The real Jesus, Yeshua, spoke against traditional religion and promoted spirituality.

He worked to heal people's fears of being separated from God. He spoke the message

of the Kingdom being at hand and within each and every person. Yeshua taught

people to love and never promoted fearful ideas, such as suffering in an eternal Hell.

While I've not actually read this book (but will) I think the message here is very important for Christians. While not seeking to diminish ones personal relationship with God and Jesus as they know them,care must be taken to "Judge not,lest you be judged yourself". I think this is especially important as Christians consider the experience that will occur when the human body dies. I give as an example,consider an ancient Chinese peasant with a warm and loving soul that lived and "died" 3000 years ago. For starters he would not even know about a middle eastern book written about 2000 years after he died,however God knew and loved him just the same.


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Sturgeonl 4 years ago

BHays - I would read the information about Jesus Religion with a cautious spirit. To say that Christ is a reincarnation of a greek god is blasphemy really. Furthermore, Christ never preached anything but truth and love in the bible. If your soul is not nurished with the bible then it is important to ask for the Holy Spirit to be with you when you read it. Rely more on the Holy Spirt then a source that has false threads woven into it.


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BHays 4 years ago from Sarasota, Florida

Thanks Sturgeon -always the case,appreciate the heads up. I gather you have read this work? When you speak of nourishment of the Holy Spirit,I understand you are referring to a bible. Is there a particular bible among the 50 or so English translations from the ancient Greek and Hebrew and later Latin you find most appealing? I admit the only one I have read cover to cover at least once (as I think all Christians should) is the King James version,with all the thee's and thou's. I would love to get and read a Geneva version,mainly for the side notes and to look at the full 88 books they used in the first English translation in 1599.


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Sturgeonl 4 years ago

These books would be much better to investigate then interpretations that profess things about Jesus Christ that are not true. I do not think you are going to find any holy scripture, from any point in time, that says Jesus was reincarnated from a greek god. Also, when I speak of nurishment from the Holy Spirit I am not referring to the bible, I am talking about His actual spirit that comes upon us in prayer and makes interpreting the truth in the bible possible.


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BHays 4 years ago from Sarasota, Florida

I perused a little,I don't see where he says that? Where does it say that? Which Greek God?Was it Cronus (Saturn) or his son Zeus,the supreme rulers of the elders?In fact what I saw agrees with your comment Jesus preached truth and love. Jesus was against "organized" religion,preferring "his religion" as opposed to a religion "about him",which I sadly beleive is the most common misguided practice today. I have also read the Koran cover to cover,noting it's praise and worship of Jesus,although in a different perspective than found in Christianity. I would venture than many in the Christian faith would be amazed to learn Jesus is a revered part of Islam,although admittedly more in line with entities like Abraham,Moses and John the Baptist. I've found when we open our minds to other people and their religions,the message of truth and love is prevalent -as well as mankind's communion with the eternal universal holy spirit.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

BHays I have not heard about JesusReligion.com, I am also not writing about hell. What this hub is about is Heaven or Paradise. Both are created By God, both are in the bible. It is definitely not about traditional religion, because that teaches people they will go to Heaven as soon as they die. But, in the bible there are several places, in which the bible teaches us, we will basically 'sleep' until the 'end times' then we will enter the Paradise God has created. A new Heavens and a New Earth called Paradise.


oceansider 4 years ago

Hi sister,

Yes, infants and young children when they die, do go heaven when they go to sleep, because God is merciful! There is an age of accountability as far as God is concerned, however, there is no specific age mentioned in the scriptures.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Sturgeonl I agree with what you have written. We do need to be cautious and BHays you have read a wonderful bible. I have King James that was written 1610. The one we have was published in 1868, but has not changed from the one written in 1610. It is old and is falling apart. But to me it is worth more than all the money in the world.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

I agree with you , remember when Jesus let the children run into his arm? I also don't know the age of accountability.

God Bless you sister


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Sturgeonl 4 years ago

I do understand what you are saying, BHays, however, for every thread of common truth in the various religions there are also major differences that define them. Not all religions are equal! The muslim religion may acknowledge Jesus however they do not profess Him as the son of God. He is just another prophet. This defies the central truth of Christian faith...and what Jesus taught us to believe. I always wonder why Mohammad felt he needed to redefine things if he came 300 years after Jesus and supposedly revered him. That is a dichotomy. The religion does not revere Him if it does not profess Jesus as the Son of God. (Ultimately this implies Jesus was a great guy but was lying). The religion does not accept the new covenant offered to man by Jesus but instead prescribes new laws.


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BHays 4 years ago from Sarasota, Florida

Not any more than Christianity defies Paganism,from which many Christian traditions came from as the way the early church leaders brought converts to Christianity,by blending with the then current traditions of the people,such as the timing of Christmas (Yule, the new beginning at winters solstice) and Easter (Ostera,rebirth,vernal equinox). Christianity has had many reformers since Mohammed lived,such as Martin Luther and Calvin.I say this acceptance is exemplified in 2 Corinthians 3-5,3-6 -"sufficiency is of God"..."not of the letter,but of the spirit,for the letter killeth,but the spirit giveth life". I do not take it upon myself to judge Muslims or Jews also of Abrahamic origin ,or other faiths not originating from the middle east - however they all have roots (variations) in the belief of as we are discussing "sleep" until the end of times,then entering Paradise. Love others as I have loved you, Luke 6-31,37


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teaches12345 4 years ago

This is quite a challening topic and one that makes you think about the importance of your view on life after death. I am one that believes in the spirit rising up into heaven immediately upon departure from the body. Prior to the resurrection of Christ, people were not given this right. If you read the gospels, you read where Christ took many with him as he ascended into heaven. Good write up, Michele!


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Sturgeonl 4 years ago

BHays I respect all you say and agree with most of it. When we make theological observations about religions, however, I think it is important to establish that an opposing view does not mean there is judgement taking place. People must learn to separate differences in beliefs from being interpreted as personal judgements that devalue the individuals in different faiths. If we can learn to do this I think everyone will be more tolerant of one another. Although Christians strongly believe in Jesus Christ as son of God and as the Saviour for All, it does not mean they devalue the people of other faiths. For someone to presume this is to pass judgement also. It is my hope that the theological differences in religion that people have can exist in peace until the full truth is revealed by God.


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BHays 4 years ago from Sarasota, Florida

Amen Sturgeon,peaceful non judgmental coexistence,totally agree. Thank you,Michele and all the other contributors so far in this thread for such engaging thought and comment.Wonderfully well done and thought provoking hub Michele,learned quite a bit here today.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you for your comments oceansider, BHays, Sturgeonl, and teaches12345 they are wonderful and are helping me learn a lot.


lightgospel 4 years ago

Alot of topics being discussed in this one post, but I want to comment on the original article. I had this discussion recently and many have said what has already been said, but I agree with you, Michele. In 1 Thessalonians 4:16 it says "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first." If the Christians who are dead are already in heaven why must they rise from the ground to go up? Also, I read on here about he different bible translations and I think if you read too many of them, for some are not saying nothing equal to the King James Version, you will be very much confused. All I know about Christ is I tried Him and I found Him to be true to His word. I don't need all those translations to explain to me why. We may never understand why completely. I'm satisfied with just who He is!


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

lightgospel Your comment is very good. But, I think the title should have been better. Perhaps something like " Do we go to Heaven, suddenly" or something like that.


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Skarlet 4 years ago from California

I sure do learn a lot from you Michele.

Voted up.


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Just AS I Am 4 years ago

That was awesome lightgospel!!! I'm gonna do a little dance BRB!!


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Skarlet Thank you for your comment :)


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Just AS I Am I totally agree with you:)


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Lady Summerset 4 years ago from Willingboro, New Jersey

Just stopping in again...I was blessed by the contributions of our brothers and sisters in Christ. God be glorified and lifted up! Whenever we meet Him, let us meet Him in peace.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Lady Summerset Thank you for stopping by again. I love to see you again. God Bless You!


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North Wind 4 years ago from The World (for now)

Hi Michele,

As usual your hub topic is interesting and the proof is in the comments :)

This is a difficult topic and many have their differing opinions. As for me, I will leave you with some words from Scripture to ponder:

1. "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment..." Hebrews 9:27

2. "And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him." Genesis 5:23

3. "And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." 2 Kings 2:11

4."And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him." Matthew 17:2-3

5. "But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living." Matthew 22: 31-32

As I said, it is a tough topic but I do think that the Bible does say that souls can go to heaven immediately otherwise where are Elijah and Enoch and how is it that Elijah and Moses spoke to each other if one was resting in sleep waiting for the end while the other was taken up in body and soul into heaven?

Finally, why does Paul say in 2 Corinthians Chapter 5 that to be absent in the body is to be present with God?

Thanks for writing this hub. You gave me a lot to think about, as usual Michele!


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

North Wind thank you for your comment and the scriptures you wrote. Sometimes my hubs are questions. This one was also. You are one of the people who help me learn more.


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rjbatty 4 years ago from Irvine

I believe that religions throughout the ages were created for the sole purpose of alleviating our fear of total extinction. Total extinction is a difficult concept to wrap our minds around. We cannot quite comprehend total annihilation for the rest of eternity. This refusal to accept nonexistence is a sort of egocentric construct. The fear of death is not to be minimized. Non-atheists HAVE to believe in the continuation of life because they abhor the idea of living a meaningless life. For the better part of our lives we build an illusion of the self -- that we are a distinct, unique creation. We have accumulated a wealth of knowledge in navigating this physical world.

No one can say with absolute certainty that we do not in fact enter some other dimensional realm of being. The idea cannot be refuted because once a person has died, he/she has nothing left which to give solace to the living.

Lazarus supposedly came back, but not much is said about his experience (if he were to remember it). Your query about why Jesus brought back Lazarus is a good one. If Lazarus was already in heaven, was Jesus justified in wrenching him from paradise just for the sake of demonstrating his supernatural powers? The question is one for theologians, and I doubt that they could provide a perfectly acceptable explanation.

My own thinking is that once our minds stop functioning, we go nowhere, experience nothing and are completely unconscious of this "loss." Our atoms are recycled, and, perhaps are used in the rise of new life -- but this doesn't do us much good living in the here and now. I take no solace in the possibility that my atomic energy may go on to form new stars or planets or even life forms. Since I would have no knowledge of my prior life and experiences, this hypothetical doesn't give much of a lift to my day-to-day activities on planet Earth.

Contemplating my death, as if it were a hard drive that suddenly stopped functioning, seems like a waste -- a waste of experience, a waste of memories, a waste of knowledge.

Sometimes I think that complete nonexistence is a kind of blessing. Life is hard. We struggle to get through one day at a time. Sometimes the struggle is stupendous if we happen to be suffering with unrelenting pain. A release from the struggle, the misery, the disappointment, the disillusionment, the anxiety may be a merciful release. We may think that these hard-earned accumulations for traveling throuh this level of existence are priceless, but, in all probability, the sum is worthless. It's worth a lot to us while we have to juggle our existence against so many obstacles and obscurities, but the benefit expires once the life force has left us.


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Lady Summerset 4 years ago from Willingboro, New Jersey

Greetings all again! As soon as I finished reading rj's comment this scripture came to mind...We, who are Christians have HOPE that adds depth to what we do in this Life journey until we see Him face to face!

Those Who Died in Christ

13But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

rjbatty Thank you for your comment. The bible teaches us that when we die, our minds go to sleep, so we remember nothing. We do not come back until Jesus comes back for us. We are told this in the book of Revelation. So, that is why Lazarus did not remember anything. He was simply asleep.

Again, thank you very much for you comment, it was a very good one.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Lady Summerset Thank you so much for your comments. You know a lot. You have taught me many things. I love when you comment. You are a true follower of God.


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Civil War Bob 4 years ago from Glenside, Pennsylvania

Good hub, Michelle...voted up, useful (my answer's going to be my next hub), and interesting. Short answer...a Christian dies and goes to be with Jesus. Now "where" becomes the question and verses to show the answer need to be logically strung together...which is where I head right now! Have a great day!!


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Civil War Bob Thanks, I am looking forward to reading your hub!


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Civil War Bob 4 years ago from Glenside, Pennsylvania

Michele, is it ok to mention your name and hub specifically? Let me know, please, yes or no. Thanks.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Yes it is. And is it ok to mention your name and hub? I have mentioned your name, but sharing your hubs would be nice also, you do write good ones.


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Civil War Bob 4 years ago from Glenside, Pennsylvania

Anytime you want to mention me or my hubs or "share" them in any way is fine with me. Grace and peace to you, Sis!!


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Liz Bell 4 years ago

I didn't take the time to read all the comments. haha sorry. Lazy. I read your hub, though. My opinion. I do believe, after reading most of Francis Chan's book Erasing Hell that Hell definitely is real if you believe the Bible. So I just assume Heaven is real too. But I haven't looked into it. It's good to look in to things and not take everything some preacher says as true. I've had what feels like a lot of doubt over the years. But they all somehow get seemingly miraculously resolved and come back to good old plain Christianity. We are all sinners, when we die we go to Hell unless Jesus has placed a new heart in us that loves and believes in Him. That miraculous transformation is possible because Jesus died and shed His blood for our sins. Then if we have had that supernatural new birth take place in us when we die we go to Heaven with Jesus. :) Cause, I mean, what else would happen to us? I don't think God would want to just destroy us now that He's worked so hard to sanctify and transform us into someone who loves Him. He put up with us for SO long on earth and cares about us SO much. I mean, He sent is own Son to die for us, so I think probably He cares enough about us to take us up to Heaven to hang with Him. There's also the verse "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord". 2 Cor. 5:8 Looks like there are already a lot of verses that have been posted up here. There are also rewards the Apostle Paul tries to earn for Heaven. But yeah, those are my thoughts. I still have a lot more Bible reading to do for this question. Fail. I know so little for having been in the church so long and been so blessed by God. Fail. sad. :/ I am sorry God.


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Liz Bell 4 years ago

oooh I was thinking. There are the verses that say we will be "like the angels" and judge angels, actually. so we'll be doing that in Heaven, right?


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Liz you have not failed. The most important commandment was to love the Lord your God, and not to have any other Gods before Him, and your neighbor like yourself. I am still learning, a lot of people are still learning. That is not a bad thing. I do not think you have failed. You told God you were sorry, you were forgiven. So, you have been forgiven. That is why Jesus was crucified. So, I think you will be in Heaven and you are going to be happy, joyful. At least that is what I am thinking.

God bless you.


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Liz Bell 4 years ago

Aww thanks Michele. That was the sweetest thing anybody has said to me in a while. We all have a lot of learning to do, yeah. Always. Thank you. :)

I realized I read your hub wrong. I believe we do go to be with God right away because of 2 Cor 5:8. But I think probably we are there in spirit and we get actual physical bodies at the Resurrection. But you know what, that is a good question.

God bless you too.


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joer4x4 4 years ago from Philadelphia, PA

It seems obvious and logical to me that nothing can exist without thought. That is thought is proof of your own existence.

Thought is not a physical attribute but an abstract one. But thought is used every day to create and manipulate physical matter (ie furniture, TVs, computers etc.). Someone has to think about it first then act on it before it is created (comes into existence).

Thought is not dependent on physical matter. Since our physical bodies are linked through our brains to our thought process the only other possible scenario is that physical existence must be dependent on thought and thought is independent.

It is intrinsic to humans to be creative and have purpose as is thought. These abstract attributes would appear not to need a physical presence. Coupled with the fact that the human body is temporary, we seem destined to go on being creative and purposeful after our bodies are disposed of.

That is we will still exist.

I believe heaven (and hell) was created by man for purpose of control (reward and punishment). After all, there is no word for "hell" in the original Torah (Bible).


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

joer4x4

Hell is a place of fire where sinners are punished after they die. Certain classes of people who deny religion receive eternal punishment there (Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Teshuvah 3:5-6), but most sinners are punished there for only (up to) a year (Mishnah Eduyos 2:9; Talmud Shabbos 33a

Please forgive me, I had to search for that.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

joer4x4

By the way, even though the hubs you write are not based upon religion, they are very good, and I agree with all of them and hope others read them. They are very important.


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JasonNeo 4 years ago

@Michele -read ecclesiastus 12:7 and 2 corinthians5:8-it says when we die our spirits go to be with God,who will reunite it with the bodies on the day of resurrection when Jesus comes back.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Jason thank you for giving me those scriptures, you are helping learn more.

God bless you.


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JasonNeo 4 years ago

Hi Michele,God bless you to dear sister.


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JasonNeo 4 years ago

Hi Michele-God bless you too,dear sister.


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joer4x4 4 years ago from Philadelphia, PA

Michele - Thanks for the kind words:)


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

joer4x4 You are very welcome.


chrisinhawaii 4 years ago

Sorry I'm late...did the discussion move to Civil War Bob's hub hinted at in the comments? I'll have to go snoop around. Anyways...

I was taught that "sleep" was basically a euphemism for death. In our normal everyday sleep our minds are very much awake while our bodies are asleep. And in a similar way, the Christian's spirit is very much "awake" in Heaven while their bodies are asleep/dead in the ground on Earth.

From what I understand, the Bible teaches that when a believer dies...

1. The body dies and "returns to the dust".

2. The spirit or soul goes to be with God in Heaven.

3. The saints (i.e. believers) in Heaven will eventually receive new bodies (@ the Resurrection) which will last forever when God creates a new Heaven and a new Earth (which will also last forever).

4. Those who were "saved" will live forever in their new bodies while those who were not saved are condemned and will spend eternity suffering in Hell.

Are these points not biblical? I'd be interested to see which Scriptures they contradict. This is a very interesting hub and discussion. Thanks to all for adding to it =)


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

chrisinhawaii Thank you very much for your comment. Some of my hubs are questions, I never claim to be the one who knows everything. I pray to find out when the end times come.

God bless you


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JasonNeo 4 years ago

@Michelle-scriptures teach when we die our spirits go to heaven or hell.At rapture bodies of those who died in Christ will be resurrected,and be reunited with their spirits.We who are alive at the time of rapture will be changed into immortal resurrected bodies,after the ressurection of those who are already dead in christ.This is the first ressurection.

Second resurrection will happen at the time of final judgment,in which all people will be resurrected to immortal bodies,and will either burn eternally in lake of fire and sulfur or eternal life in new heaven new earth.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you for your comment JasonNeo You are helping me learn more and for that I am eternally thankful.


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Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago

I believe the Bible. We will ascend to Heaven on the last day.


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Lady Summerset 3 years ago from Willingboro, New Jersey

JasonNeo,

That was so simply put!


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Shyron E Shenko and Lady Summerset you are both correct, I thank you for your comments. There is a lot I don't know, just trying to learn more.

God bless you.


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Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago

In the King James Bible, I Thessalonians 5:16-17, tells how the Lord is coming back and how we will meet him in the air.

We are all trying to learn more. My grandmother would read a whole chapter every day, until she read all the way through and then start over again.

God Bless you too Michele


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you Shyron.

You are a wonderful child of God.


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Affinity2010 3 years ago from New Orleans, La

Michele Travis, this is a beautiful subject. God bless you for creating this hub. I am one who believe what God says in Hebrews 9:27 and just as It is only appointed for man to die once , but after this the judgement.

I was near death November 13th 2012 after I suffered a stroke. I was in a coma for four days and on a ventilator. I did experience what many would call a NDE. I didn't see a tunnel or bright light at the moment. However I was gliding over a river of blood in this reddish dingy looking place. I could see cells in the river of blood. I remember the blood river turning into a reddish brown skin and coming up out of this river as if it was forming into something. It got taller and taller and was shaping up into this bald headed entity that had no facial features... no eyes, nose or mouth and all I remember was I had no body, but only thought. And my thoughts was, "What is this. where am I? When I got closer to this entity. Something told me in my spirit that I was slipping and to turn around and go back. The next thing I remembered was I was coming out of my coma. I did not die and go to Heaven nor do I believe I was in hell. I don't know what it was. I do know that weeks later I discovered a man who wrote a book about his own nde... Dr. Eben Alexander and the beginning of his experience was quite similar to my own. I was a little jealous that he got a chance to see a glimpse of Heaven, when I was told to turn around and go back to my life. I think the dying body has certain stages it goes through on the journey and it is God who ultimately makes provisions for you to either go back to living your life on earth or being absent from the body and present with him in Heaven. Our time is different than God's time and perhaps many who die have already been judged and gone on to Heaven after their rest. God is the beginning and the end... he has already written our stories/lives and watched us progress from one time to another. Just my thoughts, I could be totally wrong.


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SwordofManticorE 3 years ago from Burlington

I believe that the sting of death has been removed. I believe that we believers go to our Father at death, but as to the unbeliever when he dies, I am not sure yet. I believe that the three ancient festivals of Israel may hold the key to the truth.

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