Who Is the Biblical Jesus? - Part 2

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An Opposing View

I fully realize not all agree with my position. i have had to reach my own conclusions from personal Bible study. I respect the right of each individual to make his or her own decision about doctrinal matters. If you are interested in the other side of the coin, I refer to you the link below.

To read an opposing view of Part 1 see http://planksandnails.hubpages.com/hub/An-Examination-of-Trinity-Proof-Texts

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Introduction

In Part 1 we looked at the Word as it appears in John 1:1. We live in a day and an age when it is acceptable to twist Bible teachings into whatever we find convenient to believe. Truth is no longer black and white, but has become relative, even within the so-called Christian church. Doctrines have always been perverted, but when they are there needs to be a call back to the truth. Jesus said, “. . . I am . . . the truth. . . .” He also says in John 18:37, “Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”

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The truth is there can only be one truth. Opposite claims cannot both be true. Jesus either is fully God and fully man, or he is just another created being. Both cannot be true, but yet even within “Christian” groups there is sharp disagreement.

We must build our doctrine on something solid. I have seen years ago and again recently that false doctrines do not come from the Bible. They come from the erroneous teachings of men.

Consider the passage in I John 5:7 –“ For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” Some would say this verse does not belong in the Bible and point out websites like https://bible.org/article/textual-problem-1-john-57-8. Another might argue that it does deserve its place in Scripture and point out websites like http://www.chick.com/ask/articles/1john57.asp. Anyone can literally make a case for anything by finding a sympathetic mind on the internet.

Therefore we will not be including other websites, videos, etc. We will only use the Scriptures as they appear naturally – not using outside sources, and not adding our own thoughts. If we just read the Scripture as it is written, God will tell us what we need to know.

In Part 1, we also took time to look at Genesis 1:26 – “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness . . . .” While the word us does not specify the trinity, Scripture does tell us who is present during this conversation. We know that God's Holy Spirit was there according to Genesis 1:2. We know that Jesus was present according to Colossians 1:16, 17. Some may say the verses are taken out of context, but just a natural reading of the verses in context plainly show that Jesus was present. He created all things. It does not need to be pointed out that if Jesus created all things He pre-existed all things. Now that we have reviewed Part 1, let us move on to Part 2.

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The Question Rests on Christ's Deity

Most references to Jesus Christ’s deity are found in the New Testament, but consider this one from the Old Testament. It is said in Isaiah 9:6, “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

Contextually we see this child is Christ. We see this special child, this unique son, has been given five names. First mentioned is His name Wonderful which means in the Hebrew, a miracle or wonder. Next, He is called Counsellor, which means to advise or resolve.He also possesses the name Prince of Peace – a chief of peace in the Hebrew. Clearly we see without using Hebrew that this One has been given the Name The mighty God, as well as The everlasting Father. This should be plain to anyone who reads English. The Hebrew only intensifies the English. If we just read the Scripture for what it says, there just is not any way around it.

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A Glimpse of the Old Testament Jesus

We see another thought in Daniel 3:23-25. “. . . Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace. Then Nebuchadnezzar theking was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king. He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. The Hebrew word for like (demâh) means to correspond to. Jesus was in the fire. I am sure that those who believe Jesus was just a mortal man have a way to explain away these Old Testament verses, but if applied at face value, they mean what they say.

The New Testament Jesus

Moving on to the New Testament for a moment - Jesus makes the plain statement in John 10:30, “I and my Father are one. It was at this point that the Jews take up stones to stone Jesus. Why? Because they were accusing Him of making Himself equal with God. They understood what He was saying. They were upset because in their mind, a mere man was claiming to be God – blasphemy. “Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.”

We can believe like the Pharisees and religionists of the day and take the position Jesus was only a man, but they understood what Jesus was saying – “, being a man, makest thyself God.” I choose to believe Jesus when in essence said, I am God.

The Scribes and Pharisees again knowing only God can forgive sins accuses Jesus of blasphemy in Luke 5:20, 21 – “And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee. And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?” If we really want to take a look at the history of the deity issue, let us go to the Bible alone.

A Depiction of the Trial of Jesus

The religious leaders of Jesus’ day very clearly understood what He was proclaiming. It was that claim, that He was God incarnate that led to His crucifixion. “Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy. What think ye? They answered and said, He is guilty of death” (Matthew 26:64-66).

I find Jesus' statement in verse 64 interesting. Among all the talk about the Son of God and being equal with God, Jesus refers to Himself as the Son of man. Do we have a discrepancy here? Is Jesus the Son of God, or the Son of man? Neither or both? What does the term Son of God imply? These are questions we will look at next time in Part 3. Stay tuned. There is so much more we need to look at.

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Jackie Lynnley 2 years ago from The Beautiful South

They will be so sorry all who deny Christ as the true Son of God for He will have no choice but to deny them! Satan just has no power over some of us when it comes to Jesus but many have not come to know Him and deny Him so easily. Such a shame for them. His burden is so light. Up and shared.


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lifegate 2 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

The message is clear. It depends on the starting point and where the foundation is laid. Different foundations lead to different structures. Eternity will reveal the truth. Glad you were so quick in getting here.


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billybuc 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

Agree, disagree, it makes no difference to me. It's just interesting to read your viewpoints and the logic and faith that are behind them. Thanks for sharing, Bill, and Happy Weekend to you.


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suzettenaples 2 years ago from Taos, NM

A very interesting, informative and thought provoking article here. I like that you give a link to the opposing point of view. That shows your open mindedness and evidence of your knowledge of the other side. You support your beliefs well with evidence from the Bible and scriptures. Thanks for sharing your faith with us.


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lifegate 2 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Thanks for being a part of this confusing topic. I'm always glad to see you here.You have a weekend as well. They pass too quickly.


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lifegate 2 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Hi Suzette,

Glad you were able to stop and visit for a while. You're always welcome so don't be a stranger.


Neil Braithwaite 2 years ago

lifegate -

You made the following statement before presenting your arguments:

"Anyone can literally make a case for anything by finding a sympathetic mind on the internet."

What "sympathetic mind(s) do you derive your truth from?

Not withstanding that all your arguments fall in on themselves with your above statement, there is one truth, regardless of one's ability to perceive it.

Regarding your arguments about 1 John 5:7, it seems that most tinitarian scholars agree it was added to the original text. (See the link)

http://www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/trin...

Again, you are merely inserting you doctrine into the text.

Brother, you need to let go of that which I had such a hard time letting go of - my selfish pride and years of ingrained teaching.

I can only fault myself for allowing myself to believe something I had no intention of ever verifying on my own.

Fortunately, through much prayer, wise council and research I had to relinquish my grip on the false trinity doctrine. And as I stated in a comment to you before, The bible has never been so clear and I have never felt so free in my entire life!


Neil Braithwaite 24 months ago

lifegate -

I just consulted a close friend who happens to be a Jewish scholar.

I asked him if any Jew would ever believe, by the teachings of the Torah (Christian Old Testament), that God was a plural being - made up of a plurality of any number of divine persons? I also asked him if their Messiah was going to be in any way divine?

His answer to both questions was an emphatic NO!

He said the Jewish Messiah will be fully human, as a descendant of David. He will have great knowledge of Jewish Law, be a great leader, restore the teachings of the Torah, rebuild the Temple and reign over His people forever. He said that while fully human, the Messiah would live eternally and there would be no more death among God's people and all the dead who were faithful would rise and live eternally.

Trying to create a "plural" God using the Old Testament is a non-starter.

Jesus was a Jew and sighted but ONE creed - the Shema!

28 One of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, “What commandment is the FOREMOST of all?” 29 Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is ONE Lord; 30 and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ THERE IS NO OTHER COMMANDMENT GREATER THAN THESE.” 32 The scribe said to Him, “Right, Teacher; YOU HAVE TRULY STATED that HE IS ONE, and there is NO ONE ELSE besides Him...

Mark 12:28-32

Jesus NEVER said He was God!

Trinitarans distort the scriptures to try to prove their false doctrine, but always, upon true exegesis, are found to be wrong!


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MsDora 24 months ago from The Caribbean

Bill, I like your references to the Old Testament Jesus. For me, He is God come in the flesh. I'm looking forward to the discussion of Him being Son of God, Son of Man or both. Keep going!


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lifegate 24 months ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Hi MsDora,

Glad you could make it to Part 2. Part 3 should be up later today if I don't have any more internet problems - been fighting with it all morning. Thanks as always for stopping by to spend some time!


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lifegate 24 months ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

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Tamarajo 24 months ago from Southern Minnesota

Good series Bill, I second MsDora's comment, I too enjoyed seeing Jesus in the Old Testament. Looking forward to Part 3.


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lifegate 24 months ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Hi Tammy,

Jesus is all over the Old, and New Testament. He's not hard to find if we look. Thanks for stopping by!

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