Who is this Lucifer Character?

Introduction

Most of the church believes that Satan, aka Lucifer, was a perfect angelic being that was cast out of Heaven because he wanted to take God's place. He is alleged to have been beautiful, a bringer of light, arrayed in precious stones and the chief music player around God's throne responsible for leading the worship. However, what may come as a startling surprise is that Judaism knows nothing of these ideas as none of them can be found in the Old Testament.

Lucifer is not Satan

Throughout the church and also the popular media of the Western World the name Lucifer is synonymous with Satan and describes his former glory from which he fell. Because tradition has for so long said that Lucifer is Satan, the church does not question the word or concept any further.

The word 'Lucifer' is a Latin rendering of the Hebrew 'Helal' or 'Day Star'. Jerome first used the word in his Latin Vulgate Bible prepared sometime toward the latter half of the 4th century, however it wasn't Jerome who created the myth.

Origen (185-254 A.D.) was the first to make the new connection between Satan and Lucifer. He brought together diverse Old Testament references from Job, Ezekiel and Isaiah and argued that Lucifer, the Prince of Tyre, and the Leviathan of Job, were all identical with the Devil. He used these texts to emphasize Satan's pride and his fall from heaven.

Later Tertullian (155-After 220 A.D.) taught that before Satan's fall he was not only an angel but the foremost angel. It is mainly to these three theologians, Origen, Tertullian, and Jerome that we derive the Lucifer myth.

An interesting side note is that Origen and later Augustine believed that the Devil's envy arose from pride; the Devil envied God. Tertullian on the other hand believed that the Devil was jealous of humans, believing that the Devil was furious that God had created humans in the divine image and had given them governance over the world. Needless to say Tertullian view lost out to that of Origen.

However seeing as these three theologians came up with their ideas of Satan's origins long after God finished speaking to Israel, this should start alarm bells ringing in our heads that cause us to question whether these ideas are of God or men.

Isaiah 14

Lucifer is only found once in the bible in Isaiah 14, noting that not all modern translations include this word. It is the description of the fate of Lucifer that has supported the fallen angel idea for so long. What follows is a verse by verse examination of Isaiah 14 in the New King James version to expose the Lucifer myth for what it is.

1. For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will still choose Israel, and settle them in their own land. The strangers will be joined with them, and they will cling to the house of Jacob. 2 Then people will take them and bring them to their place, and the house of Israel will possess them for servants and maids in the land of the LORD; they will take them captive whose captives they were, and rule over their oppressors. 3 It shall come to pass in the day the LORD gives you rest from your sorrow, and from your fear and the hard bondage in which you were made to serve,

Verses 1-3 are a preamble where God is talking about His promise to release Israel from Babylon and bring them back to their homeland. He then tells them they will taunt the King of Babylon. It is a section of this taunt that the church claims is actually talking about Satan aka Lucifer.

4 that you will take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say: “ How the oppressor has ceased, The golden city ceased!

Note the king is a man here.

5 The LORD has broken the staff of the wicked, The sceptre of the rulers; 6 He who struck the people in wrath with a continual stroke, He who ruled the nations in anger, Is persecuted and no one hinders.

Still talking about an Earthly king here that ruled over a large empire.

7 The whole earth is at rest and quiet; They break forth into singing. 8 Indeed the cypress trees rejoice over you, And the cedars of Lebanon, Saying, ‘Since you were cut down, No woodsman has come up against us.’

The whole Earth being the known world that came under the king's rule. The forests are at rest, not being harvested for their wood to supply Babylon.

9 “ Hell from beneath is excited about you, To meet you at your coming; It stirs up the dead for you, All the chief ones of the earth; It has raised up from their thrones All the kings of the nations. 10 They all shall speak and say to you: ‘ Have you also become as weak as we? Have you become like us?

The word 'Hell' should not be here, the Hebrew has 'Sheol' the place of the dead which has a completely different meaning to the pagan derived Christian concept of Hell. This is also speaking metaphorically of the other dead kings greeting him as in Sheol there is no speaking, thought or consciousness, Ecclesiastes 9:5-6, 10.

11 Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, And the sound of your stringed instruments; The maggot is spread under you, And worms cover you.’

Still talking about an Earthly king as maggots and worms can only eat a physical human body and not spiritual beings. The reference to stringed instruments might be where the church gets the idea that Satan was a musical angel but music is part and parcel with the pomp of kings.

12 “ How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!

The Latin term Lucifer means light bearer and is discussed later in this study. However, where does Isaiah say he has switched the focus from a man to Satan between v11 and 12?

13 For you have said in your heart: ‘ I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’

These verses are still talking about the vanity of a man. Nimrod also aspired to ascend to Heaven by building a tower in Babel, yet no one invented a spirit being call 'Nimrod' there. Jesus proclaimed that though Capernaum be exalted to Heaven (in their own minds) they will be brought down to Sheol in almost exactly the same proclamation upon them as the King of Babylon here, yet no one suggests that the people of Capernaum were spirit beings either. The bible and ancient history is full of examples of men who claim they are gods, and the King of Babylon here is no exception.

15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit. 16 “ Those who see you will gaze at you, And consider you, saying: ‘ Is this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms, 17 Who made the world as a wilderness And destroyed its cities, Who did not open the house of his prisoners?’

Here we are explicitly talking about a man. When did Isaiah switch the focus back from Satan to a man between v14 and 15?

18 “ All the kings of the nations, All of them, sleep in glory, Everyone in his own house; 19 But you are cast out of your grave Like an abominable branch, Like the garment of those who are slain, Thrust through with a sword, Who go down to the stones of the pit, Like a corpse trodden underfoot. 20 You will not be joined with them in burial, Because you have destroyed your land And slain your people. The brood of evildoers shall never be named.

The king will not be buried in honour as other noble kings, but will receive a burial in disgrace.

21 Prepare slaughter for his children Because of the iniquity of their fathers, Lest they rise up and possess the land, And fill the face of the world with cities.” 22 “ For I will rise up against them,” says the LORD of hosts, “ And cut off from Babylon the name and remnant, And offspring and posterity,” says the LORD. 23 “ I will also make it a possession for the porcupine, And marshes of muddy water; I will sweep it with the broom of destruction,” says the LORD of hosts.

So the final destruction of Babylon is foretold.


Venus

Where the Vulgate uses 'Lucifer' the Hebrew uses 'Day Star'. The Ancient Greeks called the morning star 'Phosphoros', the "Bringer of Light" 'Eosphoros', the "Bringer of Dawn". The evening star they called 'Hesperos', the "star of the evening". By Hellenistic times, the ancient Greeks realized the two were the same planet, 'Venus' which they named after their goddess of love, Aphrodite. Hesperos would be translated into Latin as Vesper and Phosphoros as Lucifer.

The Babylonians named the planet Ishtar, the personification of womanhood, and goddess of love. In Iranian mythology, especially in Persian mythology, the planet usually corresponds to the goddess Anahita of fertility which is again is associated with the planet Venus.

So if 'Lucifer' or 'Morning Star' is associated with a goddess of love and fertility, how did this become associated with Satan or a king? Satan certainly is not a personification of love, the king of Babylon was a tyrant, and neither of them are female. Clearly then the calling the King of Babylon after Venus is incorrect and there must be some other explanation.

The King Identified

In Isaiah 13 we have the following verses:

17 “ Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, Who will not regard silver; And as for gold, they will not delight in it. 18 Also their bows will dash the young men to pieces, And they will have no pity on the fruit of the womb; Their eye will not spare children. 19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, The beauty of the Chaldeans’ pride, Will be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. 20 It will never be inhabited,

Immediately preceding the account in Isaiah 14 of the demise of the king we have God saying that he is going to bring the Medes to destroy Babylon.

In Daniel 5 the Babylonian king Belshazzar was having a party and using the gold and silver vessels from Israel's temple to drink from whilst he praisd his gods of gold and silver, bronze and iron, wood and stone. Suddenly a hand appeared and started writing on the wall. The king was terrified and called in his wise men for an explanation. When they came up with nothing, the queen spoke up and suggested calling in Daniel to have a look. Daniel told him:

This is the interpretation of each word. MENE: God has numbered your kingdom, and finished it; 27 TEKEK: You have been weighed in the balances, and found wanting; 28 PERES: Your kingdom has been divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.”29 Then Belshazzar gave the command, and they clothed Daniel with purple and put a chain of gold around his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom. 30 That very night Belshazzar, king of the Chaldeans, was slain. 31 And Darius the Mede received the kingdom, being about sixty-two years old.

Belshazzar was the son of Nabonidus, who after ruling only three years, went to the oasis of Tayma and devoted himself to the worship of the moon god, Sin. He made Belshazzar co-regent in 553 B.C., leaving him in charge of Babylon's defence. In the year 540 B.C. Nabonidus returned from Tayma, hoping to defend his kingdom from the Persians who were planning to advance on Babylon. In 538 B.C. Belshazzar was positioned in the city of Babylon to hold the capital, while Nabonidus, marched his troops north to meet Cyrus. On October 10, 539 B.C. Nabonidus surrendered and fled from Cyrus. Two days later, October 12, 539 B.C., the Persian armies overthrew the city of Babylon.

It was common for kings to prefix their names with those of their gods, so Belshazzar was known as Bel-Shazzar, or Bel Protect the King. Bel signifying "lord" or "master", is a title rather than a genuine name, applied to various gods in Babylonian religion. Bel became especially used of the Babylonian god Marduk and when found in Assyrian and neo-Babylonian personal names or mentioned in inscriptions in a Mesopotamian context, it can usually be taken as referring to Marduk and no other god.

Marduk literally, "bull calf of the sun" was the Babylonian name of a late-generation god from ancient Mesopotamia and patron deity of the city of Babylon. Marduk's original character is obscure but he was later on connected with water, vegetation, judgement, and magic. When Babylon became the capital of Mesopotamia, the patron deity of Babylon was elevated to the level of supreme god. Marduk, originally Ea's son is acknowledged as the creator of the universe and of humankind, the god of light and life, and the ruler of destinies. He rose to such eminence that he claimed 50 titles, but eventually, he was called simply Bel, meaning "Lord." To the Babylonians.

So the name Belshazzar and the god Bel or Marduk have nothing to do with the morning star or the dawn. Thre must be another explantion for why Isaiah gave him this title.

The New Testament

Now if 'Morning Star' really was a reference to Satan, then we have some trouble reconciling this idea with the New Testament which uses 'Morning Star' as a reference to Jesus:

2 Peter 1:19 And we have more firm the prophetic word, to which we do well giving heed, as to a lamp shining in a dark place, till day may dawn, and a morning star may arise -- in your hearts;

Revelation 2:27-28 He shall rule them with a rod of iron; They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessels’ as I also have received from My Father; and I will give him the morning star.

Revelation 22:16 I, Jesus did send my messenger to testify to you these things concerning the assemblies; I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright and morning star!

There is no link between the New Testament's use of 'Morning Star' with that of the 'old Testament'. We still have to look elsewhere.

A Canaanite Myth

Just as the Latin poets personified as gods the Morning Star and the Dawn (Aurora), as well as the Sun and the Moon and other heavenly bodies, so in Canaanite mythology 'Morning Star' and 'Dawn' were pictured as two deities with the former being the son of the latter. Shahar is the goddess of dawn in the pantheon of Canaanite Ugarit. She is the twin sister and counterpart of Shalim, the god of dusk.

In the Canaanite Myth the Morning Star, the son of Shahar, tried to rise high above the clouds and establish himself on the mountain where the gods assembled, in the far north, but was cast down into the underworld.

According to the Jewish Encyclopedia:

Septuagint translation of "Helel [read "Helal"] ben Shaḥar" (= "the brilliant one," "son of the morning"), name of the day, or morning, star, to whose mythical fate that of the King of Babylon is compared in the prophetic vision (Isa. xiv. 12-14). It is obvious that the prophet in attributing to the Babylonian king boastful pride, followed by a fall, borrowed the idea from a popular legend connected with the morning star; and Gunkel ("Schöpfung und Chaos," pp. 132-134) is undoubtedly correct when he holds that it represents a Babylonian or Hebrew star-myth similar to the Greek legend of Phaethon. The brilliancy of the morning star, which eclipses all other stars, but is not seen during the night, may easily have given rise to a myth such as was told of Ethana and Zu: he was led by his pride to strive for the highest seat among the star-gods on the northern mountain of the gods (comp. Ezek. 28. 14; Ps. xlviii. 3 [A.V. 2]), but was hurled down by the supreme ruler of the Babylonian Olympus. Stars were regarded throughout antiquity as living celestial beings (Job xxxviii. 7).

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=612&letter=L#ixzz14M5DH5HY

Conclusion

There are some who insist that the king of Babylon was not human at all, but was a fallen cherub called Lucifer. However there is no evidence for this idea which would be a gross distortion of history and falls foul of other ancient occultic ideas that kings are born of the gods. Besides which, the whole of the passage in Isaiah above makes it clear that we are talking of a man.

In calling Belshazzar 'Morning star', Isaiah was drawing a parable with an existing Canaanite myth. The self exalted star parallels the self exalted Belshazzar. The sudden and unexpected falling from Heaven parallels the unexpected and sudden falling of the Belshazzar from his throne. The star being cast into the underworld parallels the final resting place of Belshazzar in Sheol. Sheol is the silent grave which contrary to pagan mythology has no demonic spirit in charge using it as its personal fiefdom.

However, neither should we lend any credence to this myth as being some true account of any fallen angelic being, as no such story or anything similar too it can be found anywhere in the Old Testament. Remember we need two or three witnesses to establish a doctrine. It is not a true account from the word of God, but a vain imagination of men, that Isaiah used to illustrate the demise of Belshazar.

There simply is no Satan here in Isaiah 14 and nothing that supports the idea of Satan being a fallen angel.

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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain

Interesting study, which I need to re read and study further, one question...

"There simply is no Satan here and nothing that supports the idea of Satan being a fallen angel."

Does that mean (in your opinion) that there is no spiritual ruler/adversary for us to encounter?

I have long taught that Satan's (or whatever he/it would be called) greatest ploy has been to persuade the world that he does not exist... and I KNOW that in the spirit I have fought demonic forces, and ergo, they must have a ruler at some echelon in the spirit realm, so WHO is he?

And does it matter what he is called, as long as we recognise his existence?

Food for thought (for me) and thanks again for being brave (or foolish) enough to present this!

John


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Disappearinghead 6 years ago from Wales, UK Author

Hi John, many thanks for reading this one.

This hub was in response to what I've always been taught concerning Satan and his alledged fall from Heaven. This passage in Isaiah has long been held up as proof of the doctrine.

I smelt a rat when I read that Lucifer was a Latin word crowbarred into the Hebrew and lo and behold Lucifer as a character had been invented. Others had stated that morning star was a reference to Venus and god/king ideas from Babylonian cults. So I decided to dig to see what I could find.

I don't believe that this account has anything to do with Satan or any other angelic being as there simply is no evidence. One can only make a conection with Satan if one approaches this account with the preconceived fallen angel doctrine of the church.

I have my suspicions about Satan anyway. In Hebrew it simply means adversary and the same word is used of David, Israel's enemies and most notably the Angel of the Lord sent to oppose Balaam on his donkey. I strongly suspect that in Job the translators capitalised the 'S' to make satan a proper noun in order to reinforce the concept of a personnification of evil. The word satan only occurs in two other places in the English OT but in those verses there is absolutely nothing that would explicitly lead us to state they are refering to Satan; in the Hebrew we just have adversary.

I've spent this evening scouring Jewish websites to get their understanding on Satan. Their belief it seems is that the Job account is Satan the angelic being but stress that he is still at this point resident in heaven acting as man's accuser and has no capacity to act on his own but is tightly under God's control. Indeed God is having nice cosy chats with him which is at odds with the bad karma that we are told exists between them today.

After Israel's captivity in Babylon zoroastrian idealogy began to creep in which believed in evil gods in opposition to God. This is also when the concept of evil spirits began to enter Jewish beliefs. (The OT knows nothing of demons, devils, or evil spirits about which I've written another hub). Ideas of satan began to evolve by adopting the Babylonian ideas and satan got bigger and bigger through the apocrypha, the NT and culminating in the big bag red serpent dragon monster of Revelation that swept a third of the stars to Earth. Incidentally I searched my Jewish bible today and nowhere are angels ever called stars.

I think we have two options. Either the satan rebellion and war in Heaven happened after the OT and before Jesus came or they never happened at all and what we have is a set of beliefs that have evolved over centuries incorporating pagan beliefs.


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Jerami 6 years ago from Houston tx

Very informative ! brings many things to mind. I don't know how to express only one.

It is amazing how many truths are hidden in plain sight just under the surface of church doctrine; if people would just open their eyes.

The evidence of false doctrine is stacked so high that people can no longer see, ...

(as in the forest for the trees).


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Disappearinghead 6 years ago from Wales, UK Author

Hi Jerami,

It's all there. All we need to do is take each doctrine in turn, then search the scriptures to see it is true.

I think the biggest shock to the church is when they find out that the Trinity doctrine was made up in the 4th century. See this hub by Errol Kane http://hubpages.com/hub/Bible-Truth-2-Chek


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Jerami 6 years ago from Houston tx

There are many shockers, I will check that hub out!

Have you read mine called Post Resurrection Maybe?

I see this scenario to be a very plausable consept. In fact I believe that theory to be true.

But I'm supposed to! Right.


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Disappearinghead 6 years ago from Wales, UK Author

Hi Jerami,

I've just had a look at your hub, I thought it sounded familiar as saw that I commented on it previously.


Errol Kane 6 years ago

Hello All,

Venturing through today because I wanted to interject with the truth on this topic. Forgive me if I become a little long winded here.

First, Satan which means 'Opposer' because he opposed Jehovah God's Sovereignty, the Devil, which means 'Slanderer' because he slandered God's Name, has no name. Just like Nimrod, 'Opposer' who made the start in the earth to rule mankind is not a name. Lucifer is not the devils name. Jehovah, in his infinite wisdom, did not provide the name of this free willed angel.

The Author of this Hub has recognized that, Lucifer is not the name for the Devil. You are to be congratulated.

You were right 'Disappearinghead' when you wrote that

13 For you have said in your heart: ‘ I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’

These verses are still talking about the vanity of a man.

And it continues to talk about a man. How did this ruler of Babylon placed himself above the Most High of the Universe? The account begins in Daniel Chapter 5: 1 - 31. Many people will want to continue to ask me questions without reading it. Would help you ( in general) if you read it first.

The Bible does however, talks about Satan, which does not mention the word Satan or Devil, but is recognizable from the grammer, as to who the Bible is referring to.

The account begins in Ezekiel 28: 11 - 19

11 And the word of Jehovah continued to occur to me, saying: 12 “Son of man, lift up a dirge concerning the king of Tyre, and you must say to him, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said:

“You are sealing up a pattern, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13 In E´den, the garden of God, you proved to be. Every precious stone was your covering, ruby, topaz and jasper; chrys´o·lite, onyx and jade; sapphire, turquoise and emerald; and of gold was the workmanship of your settings and your sockets in you. In the day of your being created they were made ready. 14 You are the anointed cherub that is covering, and I have set you. On the holy mountain of God you proved to be. In the midst of fiery stones you walked about. 15 You were faultless in your ways from the day of your being created until unrighteousness was found in you.

16 “Because of the abundance of your sales goods they filled the midst of you with violence, and you began to sin. And I shall put you as profane out of the mountain of God, and I shall destroy you, O cherub that is covering, from the midst of the fiery stones.

17 “Your heart became haughty because of your beauty. You brought your wisdom to ruin on account of your beaming splendor. Onto the earth I will throw you. Before kings I will set you, [for them] to look upon you.

18 “Owing to the abundance of your errors, because of the injustice of your sales goods, you have profaned your sanctuaries. And I shall bring forth a fire from the midst of you. It is what must devour you. And I shall make you ashes upon the earth before the eyes of all those seeing you. 19 As for all those knowing you among the peoples, they will certainly stare in amazement at you. Sudden terrors are what you must become, and you will be no more to time indefinite

So, as you can see 'Aguasilver', it does matter what he is called and that all know it. Opposer, Slanderer and that sir, is the whole Theme of the Bible, from beginning, middle and end, Jehovah God's Sovereign Right to Rule.


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Disappearinghead 6 years ago from Wales, UK Author

Hi Errol,

Thanks for your input here. Though I'm not in agreement with you on Ezekiel. Ezekiel is prophesying about a man, the King of Tyre, another man who exalted himself to the heavenlies. V12 the man is explictly stated. V13, it is not hard to imagine a seriously wealthy king parading about dressied in precious stones and gold that were prepared for him from his birth. V16 and v18 talk about his sales goods, his trade. Tyre was extremely rich and famous for its sales of purple dye extracted from a rare sea molusc, that was more valuable than gold. Satan does not trade Earthly goods, so this passage cannot be talking about him. V17 and V19, the nations and kings will stare at him, can't be talking about a spiritual being. Besides which, God told Ezeikiel to take up a prophecy against the King of Tyre, who is human and at no time does he say he is switching his attention to someone else.

What we have here is poetic language, and also analogy. Perhaps a taunt or sarcasm even. This King, extremely wealthy, puffed up with pride, thinks of himself as a demi-god, and so Ezekiel is likening him to a cherub, or one present in Eden, which would appeal to the king's vanity, but yet Ezekiel was being disdainful.

The only reason this passage is believed to talk about Satan is because of the Eden reference with an apparent link to a talking snake in Eden. In Judaism, there are no fallen angels as it is not believed that they have a free will.


Errol Kane 6 years ago

@Disappearinghead, You mentioned verse 12:

In Hebrew this is mainly a translation of the expression ben-’a·dham?. Instead of referring to the person, Adam, ’a·dham? is here used generically for “mankind” so that the expression ben-’a·dham? means, in essence, “a son of mankind, a human, an earthling son.” (Ps 80:17; 146:3; Jer 49:18, 33) The phrase is often employed in parallel with other Hebrew terms for “man,” namely, ’ish, meaning “a male person” (compare Nu 23:19; Job 35:8; Jer 50:40) and ’enohsh?, “a mortal man.” (Compare Ps 8:4; Isa 51:12; 56:2.) At Psalm 144:3 the “son of mortal man” is ben-’enohsh?, while the Aramaic equivalent (bar ’enash?) appears at Daniel 7:13.

In Greek the expression is hui·os? tou an·thro?pou, the latter part of the phrase representing the Greek generic word for “man” (an?thro·pos).—Mt 16:27.

In the Hebrew Scriptures the most frequent occurrence of the expression is in the book of Ezekiel, where over 90 times God addresses the prophet as “son of man.” (Eze 2:1, 3, 6, 8) The designation as so used apparently serves to emphasize that the prophet is simply an earthling, thus heightening the contrast between the human spokesman and the Source of his message, the Most High God. The same designation is applied to the prophet Daniel at Daniel 8:17.

Verse 13, no it's not hard to imagine a king, however, YOU are omiting much, aren't you? You mention something about a snake. Well, we all know snakes don't speak, but the coward Satan used that snake as a tool much like the entities of this world because he is the 'god of the system of things' (this world) 2 Cor. 4:4, 'among whom the god of this system of things' Satan can influence these 'earthly' insitutions. Didn't he (satan) try to give these kingdoms (governments) to Jesus if Jesus just fall down and do one act of worship to him? Matthew 4: 1 and Matthew 4: 8 - 10 ,

Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, 9 and he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.” 10 Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’

So these earthly governments, citys, towns,churches, people, they all serve Satan and to be used by Satan. Some know it, others are not aware of it. Same for Tyre.

You mentioned: V17 and V19, the nations and kings will stare at him, can't be talking about a spiritual being. Besides which, God told Ezeikiel to take up a prophecy against the King of Tyre, who is human and at no time does he say he is switching his attention to someone else.

And why not sir? We stare at Satan every day in this world. This is his world, this system of things. Unknowningly, You sir, are looking at it literally. You are right, you can't see a spirit, but I discern his spirit, his ways. Didn't Jesus say that 'the ruler of the world is coming and he has no hold on me' Yes, Satan is the ruler of this world. I am interjecting scriptures because I don't know if you are interested in truth and look the scriptures up. So, here it is. John 14:30,

I shall not speak much with YOU anymore, for the ruler of the world is coming. And he has no hold on me,

Yes, YOU assume that the king of Trye is human but in fact, these verses are speaking of Satan the Devil.

Yes, that prophecy of the city of Tyre began and ended at Daniel 28: 1 - 10 and another prophecy begins at Daniel 28: 11 - 19, which is about Satan. Remember, the city of Tyre was to die the death of someone slain in the ehart of the open sea. Getting back to Satan.

Dan. 28 11 - 20, Satan is beautiful and not this horribly ugly, pointed horn, carrying pitched fork thing, man or movies has conjured up.

It is evident from Dan. 28: 13 that Jehovah Created this angel, who became Satan, beautiful. Tyre wasn't created. And verse 14 uses the word anointed cherub and what does that indicate? Wasn't Jesus anonited by his father as the Messiah? Indeed he was. Therefore, this anointed cherub was anointed by Jehovah God as Dan. 28: 14 indicates. On the holy mountain of God is referring to 'heaven' Verse 15 indicates that, before he became Satan, Jehovah created this angel perfect and he was faultless unti unrighteousness was found in him. There was no righteouness in Tyre because of their worship to false gods and the people were made up of cannaanites.

Verse 17 explains beautifully why Satan Slandered God's name and Opposed the true God, 'because his heart became haughty because of his beauty, his beaming slendor. That is the the attitude of people today the world over in Satan's world. They have adopted Satans characteristics as the bible brings out in 2 Tim. 3: 1 - 5,

But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away.

Well sir, as you can see, reasonable people with thinking abilities and a love for the truth will recognize these facts. However, how you receive the message is up to you, respectfully of course.My new Hub will be about 'TYRE' in all it's beaming splendor of Truth and Facts. This will take some time, but it will be posted.


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Disappearinghead 6 years ago from Wales, UK Author

Hi Errol.

The subject of this hub is not Ezekeil 28, so I do not wish to turn this hub into a discussion on this passage.

With regards to Satan possessing a snake in Genesis, Judaism will disagree with you. They suggest that this is a figurative picture of the yetzer hara. I must admit I have sympathy with that argument. Perhaps the topic of a future hub.

I note you are a Jehovah's Witness. According to what I understand you believe that the entire world outside your church is under Satan's influence, and that your church believes it has the exclusive monopoly on true doctrine. From what I understand all JW doctrine is tightly under the control of the church leadership, and discent is not tolerated.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses

The reason I raise these issues, is that when a church claims exclusivity of truth, then we have a pride situation and discussion of doctrine with such is simply not possible.

Your doctrine tells you that 'god of this world' in 2 Cor 4:4 is Satan. Or is this a Catholic hangover interpretation? The Greek uses the word Theos and the leading 'theta' is capitalised as it is in the remainder of this chapter when refering to God. If we are talking a false god, the theta would be lower case. So this verse if correctly translated to English would say 'God of this world'. Besides which, there is only one God, and no other gods exist. Also compare to John 12:37-41. This same blinding of unbelievers to the truth in 2 Cor 4:4 is the same action ascribed to God in John. God of this World is God. The Earth is the Lord's and everytthing in it, and He is the Lord of Heaven and Earth.

However, the central theme of your comments is that satan is a fallen angel. This idea is not supported in Judaism. To the Jew, a fallen angel is impossible as they have no free will. Food for thought I think.


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Sanctus Vesania 6 years ago

"Besides which, there is only one God, and no other gods exist."

I have to disagree with this.

Deu 10:17 -

For the LORD your God [is] God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Jos 22:22

The LORD God of gods, the LORD God of gods, he knoweth, and Israel he shall know; if [it be] in rebellion, or if in transgression against the LORD,

Psalm 136:2

O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy [endureth] for ever.

Daniel 2:47 -

The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth [it is], that your God [is] a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.

Psalm 82: 1-2, 6-7

1God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

1 Corinthians 8:5

For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

I also have to disagree with the statement of Satan being the figurative image of the Yetzer hara. In fact I'd kind of like to know where you're finding this information. I ask, because in some of the writings of Judaism I've come across they say that Satan's true name = Samael, but that's for another day, another hub.

Peace.


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Disappearinghead 6 years ago from Wales, UK Author

Hi SV. Sure search the bible and you will see dozens of refernces to other gods. but these other gods are not real gods. They are men's vain imaginations created because they did not know the one God.

1 Cor 8:4-6 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Mark 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he

Deut 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD

As to the yetzer hara and talking snake, I found this on more than one Jewish website, I'll have to search them out again. In the meantime, here's our old wiki friend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yetzer_hara

Oh try this:

http://www.ou.org/torah/frankel/5759/bereshit59.ht...

or this

http://www.ou.org/torah/article/bereshit3

But yes Satan/talking snake/yetzer hara is for another hub and another day. Suffice to say though that I do need to make a greater study of Judaism because it being our heritage faith should give us a greater understandiing of scripture. So if we find a Jewish doctrine that contradicts a church one (Jesus excluded because God blinded them see Isaiah) what do we do? Do we say the church is correct with its history of pagan adoption and control strategies, or do we say let's look at what the cultivate olive thinks and at least consider that they should understand the scriptures written in their language for their culture.


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Lady Guinevere 6 years ago from West Virginia

The snake was taken from a Sumerian Text many thousands of years before the Bible was even concieved. It is also said that the Snake was a wormhole to another place or dimension on this earth or of another world.

What would the verses that you chose in the beginning of your hub say in the Young's Literal Translation or the Hebrew original or even the Aramaic. I find it interesting that Aramaic was Egyptian.


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Sanctus Vesania 6 years ago

So in Psalm 82, God was standing amongst a bunch of useless idols and judging them? I don't think so. Look up the concept of henotheism. It's the belief that while there are other gods, they are all subservient to the one true Elohim. Some beliefs also report that these other gods were never actually to have been worshiped, but that's for another hub I intend to write.


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Disappearinghead 6 years ago from Wales, UK Author

Thanks LG. Can't say I've seen or heard that theory before.


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Disappearinghead 6 years ago from Wales, UK Author

Hi SV. No I'm reading Ps 82 as God talking metaphorically. He knows idols and false gods are nothing, and His judgement is to show that He is God and they are nothing. I randomly pulled up an NIV and 'gods' is in inverted commas. OK these punctuations have been added but it demonstrates that the church as a whole believes that these gods are not real gods.

I've just had a quick look up of henotheism on Wikipedia and this seems to be the system employed at the outset of Zoroastianism. However, Judaism and Chrisitanity are strictly monotheistic.


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Lady Guinevere 6 years ago from West Virginia

Taking the stories from the Sumerians and using them in the Bble is NOT a theory. The snake being metaphorical about a Worm Hole may be a theory, but Ancietn Aliens explain it very well.

Funny thing about the God(s), when it became to be that there should be ONE God, all the other Gods seem to have become the Newly idolized Saints.


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Druid Dude 5 years ago from West Coast

Good hub, I mean REALLY good hub. You must have some Druid in there somewhere. Their symbol of preference was the snake. The use of the morning star is part of the path which I am trying to lead others to. There is a duality, something which has experienced little or no commentary over the centuries, which is woven into the fabric of the bible from The Beginning to the end. The Judaic commentaries have no paralell in the christian churches. Discussion or debate isn't accepted, but I myself see a directly proportional positive to negative aspect. Lady...that was how the christian cult was made palatable to the Roman pantheon. The arternative would have been to conduct a purge of all graven images, as impossible to achieve in ancient Rome then, as it would be today.

Disappearing....have you noticed your Head's resemblance to one Mr. Spock?


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flpalermo 4 years ago

Another perfect job by Satan the Devil!


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flpalermo 4 years ago

I don't mean that you are Satan the Devil, but that he has deceived the whole world about his existance:

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


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Disappearinghead 4 years ago from Wales, UK Author

Flpalermo, How is this hub a perfect job by Satan? The point of it was to demonstrate that there is no Satan/Devil in Isaiah 14. No Satan/Devil is even mention there. Revelation is another matter, which is not the subject of this hub.


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flpalermo 4 years ago

Some of the comments here deny the existance of Satan, and these people he [Satan] has deceived. He has done a perfect job with them.


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Disappearinghead 4 years ago from Wales, UK Author

I deny the existence of the Satan described by Christianity which is a blend of paganism, superstition and mythology, but fully accept the Satan defined by the Hebrew scriptures and Judaism, which is something altogether different.

If you believe that the Christian Satan has deceived those who deny his existence, then please provide biblical references that detail this activity.


flpalermo 4 years ago

If you deny the Satan of "traditional Christianity" and accept the one from the Hebrew scriptures, we have no differences.


Charles Hilton 4 years ago

Brilliant hub, which brought to mind the situation of King Saul in the first book of Samuel, in which he was often tormented by an evil spirit that David would drive from Saul by playing the harp.

But, every translation refers to the tormenting spirit as being sent by God, so, even then, the evil spirit has no free will of its own, but, is just obeying God, thus substantiating your premise that there are no independent, sovereign evil spirits.

Even though I am now an agnostic, I still find these discussions engaging.

Excellent hub and voted up!


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Disappearinghead 4 years ago from Wales, UK Author

Thank you Charles. I'm reading again a book on Jewish Theology by Kaufman Kohler written about 1913 I seem to remember, and I have to say its an excellent read. Putting aside the matter of who they say Jesus is, it's amazing how differently Jews view the nature of man, God, Satan, and salvation compared to the Church. Something appears to have radically changed in the Church's thinking in the 2nd century. Reform Judaism appears to be saying the same things as Jesus did and I get the strong sense that the Church is way off on so many of it's doctrines and attitudes.


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Trish_M 4 years ago from The English Midlands

Hi :)

Just found this. Very good; very interesting.

I'll link to my own hub on Lucifer ~ if that's ok with you ~ I think that some of your content would supplement it very well.


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Disappearinghead 4 years ago from Wales, UK Author

Thanks Trish. Feel free to link or copy as you wish.


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Trish_M 4 years ago from The English Midlands

Thanks, I've now put in the links :)


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eaglecreek 4 years ago from Vilonia , Arkansas

Great article Disappearinghead, before I get started on my comments I would like to know what is the inspiration for your user name here? It's great!

Are you familiar with the ancient Hebrew story The Paradise in the Sea? It tells the story of king Hiram of Tyre and how he wanted to be an equal of the gods. A story not found in the bible yet backing up the accounts of Isaiah 14:12.


Leonardo 4 years ago

Hi,

Spinoza did a great job proving that Ezra wrote most of the Jewish Bible, so its written retrospectively. Ezra was a Racist, Zionist Jew, so he created his "god" in his image. When you understand this fact, you will understand why Jesus attacks the Pharisees/Sadducees/priests right through the Gospels. It was this group that created the canon of scripture for the Jewish Bible.

I think Marcion was spot on when he said there was 2 gods in the Old Testament, but the mistake he made was he didn't know that Ezra created one of them.

Ezra covered up the fact that the Israelites offered Human Sacrifices in the Wilderness to Moloch aka the Golden Calf (Exodus 32; 1 Kings 11:1-11; Amos 5; Acts 7; Google Sanhedrin 64a-64b)

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Friendlyword 4 years ago from house9466@yahoo.com

I could learn alot from you if I ever decide to write a truly religious hub.

"Satan defined by the Hebrew scriptures and Judaism"

Can you suggest some scriptures I could look up?

I would like to know what I'm talking about next time.


bailey70 19 months ago

You guys are very knowledgeable and I have been enlightened I must admit I read some of the comments ; now with that being said in my travels we have concluded that Lucifer was Adam because of his fall he weakened man kind because he ate of the apple which is not to be taken into literal terms (he ate a belief system ) the scriptures say man has become one of us knowing GOOD and EVIL ;

When GOD created heaven and earth be said it was good and when he created man he said that was very good so in the beginning there was no evil for man /Adam until he became GOD . This is really heavy JESUS said it is given for you to know the mysteries of the kingdom and in the book of Timothy talks about men forbidding you to eat strong meat because most people can't chew and swallow the comment ,I just made they will spit that out ; Satan in Sanskrit means GOD the Creator and in exodus you see GOD playing both sides first he tells Moses go tell pharaoh to let my people ;the moment Moses pointed to his lack of abilities to speak (pointed out his weakness) then God said I'm gonna hardened pharaoh heart towards you .PEACE

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