Who was Jesus? A psychological profile of the man

How much is reality? How much is wishful thinking?

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Prologue

Was Jesus really a saint and savior?

Or a disillusioned man who pushed the government too far.

Nothing has changed except in the minds of his followers with their persistently rabid beliefs.

This hub was prompted by a question asked on 4/19/2013 by hubber CrescentSkies:

What would you do if you found out Jesus was evil? (link provided below)

It takes very little intelligence to believe what we are taught as children.

It is instinctual to believe what our parents tell us. There is no reason not to - until - the age of reasoning dawns on our intellect. That developmental crossroad when we attain that power of the mind by which one "knows"; or develops, that faculty of the mind by which we can "rationally" understand complex concepts. (cognitive awareness).

The beginning of a legend

Two thousand and 46 years ago the vast majority of the general public was uneducated and ruled by superstition, mysticism and bombarded by 'religious' fears prompted by a few individuals who gave themselves false status of having 'godly' privileges they did not deserve.

In times when most everything was considered immoral and sinful, a young woman who became pregnant outside of marriage was publicly humiliated and oftentimes stoned to death. (apparently the only religiously accepted form of abortion).

A young unmarried couple, finding themselves in such a predicament had few options.

To prevent ostracism (banishment from their small inclusive communities), or worse, they concocted a story explaining the pregnancy as something ''godly'' instead of ''worldly''.

Ancient religions all predicted that one day a messiah would come into the world to save the people form ''evil'' . It was easy for the uneducated masses who were so totally oppressed by government, to believe that this was true.

The allegations of this unmarried couple saved them from the wrath of the superstitious and deadly consequences of the situation they found themselves in - and so the stage was set.

The man becomes what childhood taught him

After the birth of the child, he was lauded by the people as being the 'son of god' as predicated by ancient religions.

That belief was deeply implanted into the mind of the child and he believed it as well.

The claims of the parents were successfully superimposed onto the child.

The child saw himself as more than others; and the concept of "delusions of grandeur" beset the boy and grew with his transition to the man he was to become.

That young man became a political rebel and he consistently challenged the oppressive authority of government over the people.

This young man's transition from public emulation to self-emulation became complete.

As followers gathered around him he became more confident, more vocal, and more rebellious against the government.

He saw himself as infallible, or incapable of error (as most young adults do), in defining doctrines touching faith, or morals, while railing against an unjust and corrupt government.

This incontrovertible belief emboldened him to publicly confront government abuse and led to his crucifixion, which was the governments primary method of public humiliation to put a stop to others who might consider standing up to them as well.

The government did not anticipate the extent of the growing numbers of followers of Jesus who actually believed him to be their savior.

Cashing in on a legend

300 years after the government caused the martyrdom (the suffering of death on account of adherence to a cause, especially to one's religious faith) of Jesus, they decided to metaphorically 'cash in' on their mistake.

So they created a government religion emulating the 'savior' of the people in the form of the ever so corrupt roman catholic church.

Christianity was borne out of political need.

It boggles the mind that 2,013 years later, people still believe such a 'miracle' truly happened; and zealots will still kill other humans to maintain this belief started by a corrupt government centuries ago.

Even more mind boggling is to see that governments are still as corrupt and still using religion to control the masses through ignorance and fear.

This being the obvious facts of today, as well as 2,000 years ago, would give any logical person pause in their beliefs that the son of god was sent to this earth to free them from evil.

That certainly has never been done.

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Conclusion

Jesus was neither evil, or a saint.

Nor was he a 'messiah' or the 'savior' of mankind.

He was, as we humans all are, flesh and blood; but with a driving passion to stand up to an oppressive government that exploited people for profit and control.

Nothing has changed one iota since his demise.

Instead it has gotten worse as the self serving are gaining in numbers over the 'common' people.

And we, as a people, still delude ourselves into believing that what ever happens to us is simply "God's will".

This cop out is why we find ourselves in the position we are still in today with corrupt politicians, and corrupt corporate America, and corrupt religious leaders, running (and ruining) our lives.

by: d.william 4/26/2013

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Billrrrr 3 years ago from Cape Cod

Great job on this. D Will, I too have given this a lot of thought. I have actively tried to 'remote view' the life of Jesus. Attempting to travel in mind to the Galilee of 2000 years ago, I imagined interviewing the local officials, people who heard Jesus preach, and even his family members. Just as today, I am certain that many believed him to be a mortal God, others thought him a magician, many more thought him guilty of sedition. He remains today a mystery. A man who may or may not have performed miracles. A man who may or may not have had control over life and death. After we leave this life we may find out the answers, or maybe not.


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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Thanks for reading and commenting. I certainly do not think there was any malevolent forces behind the life of Jesus, but it is only logical to assert that if one has the power to heal others, why would there be only one event recorded in that persons history? (Giving one person back their sight, and allowing one lame person to walk again, etc...).

In our own history it is proven that those 'religious healers' who duped the public that is so desperate for proof of the existence of god, did so by feigning these healing miracles with people (actors) planted in the audiences as their "proof" of this ability.

Religions have become nothing but big entities in the business of control others for huge profits.

Man does possess the ability to heal himself by positive thinking, but this is no 'miracle' we are just too lazy a species to hone this ability on our own. Mostly out of fear of the unknown, fear of ridicule by others, and fear of being 'manipulated' by unseen spirits, and many other excuses for laziness.

We are an evolving species that will one day become more in tune with the spiritual side of man, but religions will fight that to the death, as they will lose their control over the masses. I believe these religious 'users of people' would sooner destroy the entire planet than give up their control and treasures, to reality.

As one of the videos show, if one person has an "imaginary friend" that others cannot see, we call them delusional and mentally unstable, but if the general public believes in one "imaginary being" that they were taught to believe was the sole creator of all that is, then it must be true.

Yes, mankind is a race of delusional people - there is no doubt about that.


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tirelesstraveler 3 years ago from California

Most curious hub. Do you truly believe what you wrote? Would you be willing to defend it with your life?


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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Are you threatening my life?

Yes, i certainly do believe what i wrote in this article. It is as much reality as the belief that the son of god actually came to earth to save the human race and did not, or could not, and was killed by the roman government for his rebellion against it.

The delusions of religions are real to those who were indoctrinated into them, and the fear of anyone threatening those beliefs is also very real. When anyone would kill another human in defense of their beliefs, it is time to re-evaluate those beliefs.

Social psychosis on a large scale is quite obvious and quite disturbing to those who managed to successfully shed those indoctrinated fears of their childhood, and to those who were lucky enough not to be born into any particular peculiar religion.


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tirelesstraveler 3 years ago from California

I am hurt that you would respond with suspicion.

I would defend my faith with my life. My childhood religious upbringing was between the Catholic Church and the Christian Science church. I have spent years looking at truth. Real faith isn't blind, but trust in religion certainly can be . Everybody has a religion of some kind. They put their faith in something.

I took a test recently from a hub on gullibility, not gullible, am too cynical. Keep writing, and I will continue to enjoy what you write.


John King IV 3 years ago

like a fish who sees a bait, I could not resist this article. I just had to read it and then comment...

I like it. This is an an original view of the historical Jesus, and it is from an individual perspective, rather than from a social traditional view, (or myth).

I found it kind of amuzing, that you portrayed the man as so anti-government! (Although I got to admit, I have kind of reached the same conclusion about the historical Jesus. He did indeed seem to be against the older religious traditions/establishment of both Judaism, and the pagan secular Roman government as well). His own saw him as a sinner.....especially a blasphemer. The Gentile authorities where convinced that he was a political rebel who promoted sedition against all forms of government authority.


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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After your response i went back and read my comments. I meant to put a smiley face (or LOL) after that first line. My bad. Of course i knew you were not threatening me that would have been silly of me to seriously think so.

Those who do threaten my life are quite clear in their intentions.


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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thanks for reading and commenting. I did a lot of research on the life and times of that era in our history. Most articles i read all stated that J.C. was indeed a political rebel, that is why he was killed by the Roman Government.

When they decided to start a religion based on the peoples need to believe that he was indeed their savior, they banned Jesus's religion (Gnosticism) as heretic.

The history of the Papacy is also marred with total corruption in those early years. There is not much writing about it, but there was one female pope that they tried to deny to the public as well.

Their government was as corrupt as ours is today - not much has really changed over the centuries.


John King IV 3 years ago

"Jesus was killed" from 30 CE, since the procurator Pontius Pilate passed sentence on Jesus, to this very day, the questions remain unclear and controversial: Who killed Jesus? Was Jesus even killed? Also, What was the original religious tradition the Jesus founded? It really depends how one sees it. Some blame the Roman soldiers who physically carried out the punishment on Jesus. Others blame the jewish authorities who where the ones to push and convince the Roman procurator to have him crucified. Others say God killed Jesus, and explain it by popular religious myths and traditions. (eg you need a god-man to be sacrificed in order to bring forgiveness of sins),

As to the original religious tradition.... I for one think it is quite clear that Jesus was a jew. His religion was just a different new brand of Judaism, geared mostly for gentile converts.

Female pope????? Never heard of such a thing! Who are you talking about?


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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http://youtu.be/vH1A7oX0-xc

here is a dramatic depiction of who she was, and how the church erased all evidence of her from history for her deception. There is much more about Pope Joan available in other archives of history. This information was supposedly destroyed along with the other writings not chosen to be part of the bible to make sure it was never made known the the general public.

The many scrolls on mysticism, magic, and spells, and those that conflicted with the ones that were chosen to make up the bible, were also destroyed for the same reasons.

Jesus was born Jewish, the people of that region were also dark skinned. His religion was Gnosticism. He believed that direct access to our spiritual universal oneness was available to everyone who learned to commune with it.

Jesus also never stated he was God, but rather that he was a son (child) of God as we all are. He was nailed to the cross as a more severe punishment than most who were crucified, for his transgressions against the government. Usually people attached to crosses were done so by tying them there by ropes, and a projection under their feet to hold them in place.

According to all written history i could find, he was ultimately killed by one roman soldier by a thrust of his sword to the upper abdomen to put him out of his suffering.

The metaphor of God sacrificing his only son for the sins of man, was nothing more than a ploy by the church to justify his death when people asked "if he were truly God incarnate, why did he not save himself from this fate?".

There is much deception in all religions, most of the stories in the bible were not literally factual, but rather they were meant to metaphorically provide some kind of moral teaching.


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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The following is from Wikipedia. there is more information with links on that site. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Joan

The first mention of the female pope appears in the chronicle of Jean de Mailly, but the most popular and influential version was that interpolated into Martin of Opava's Chronicon Pontificum et Imperatorum, later in the 13th century. Most versions of her story describe her as a talented and learned woman who disguises herself as a man, often at the behest of a lover. In the most common accounts, due to her abilities, she rises through the church hierarchy, eventually being elected pope; however, while riding on horseback, she gives birth, thus exposing her sex. In most versions, she dies shortly after, either being killed by an angry mob or from natural causes. Her memory is then shunned by her successors.


John King IV 3 years ago

Wow. A female pope. Sensational!

Wonder if it could ever happen again?


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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Not in our lifetime. The Roman Catholic church is a "man's world" - no women allowed.


John King IV 3 years ago

ha ha ha ha

Its kind of a funny thing to say....but it is the truth.

The ancients had a totally different culture and view point of gender roles.

But still, I do not rule it impossible, that a female ruler, or even pope, will one day arise again in the Roman Catholic kingdom.


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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Of course you are right. I was just being sardonic. I have no doubt that once the RC church starts to collapse, they will welcome females, as well as their gay population. But i doubt they will be as kind to women who abuse young men as they have been with their own.


John King IV 3 years ago

The collapse of the R. C. church....

I do believe that all things do eventually come to an end. But I highly doubt that this old christian establishment which has lasted for over 1000 years, will end in our life time.

You seem to strongly not like, (or even dare I say it...hate), the catholic church. You probably have your good reasons....

Women who abuse young men!? This is very peculiar...... I am sure that this phenomenon does indeed take place, but in today's femenist and gay tolerant society, their is no way, such a thing would be aknowledged or put on the political spot-light.

Thanks to the evils of world war 2, (especially from Nazi like people who promoted the hate of minorities, other races, gays, etc), today, these once persecuted social groups rule and prosper.

The catholic church on the other hand has done many things which added to the hate of this establishment.

I for one have nothing against the Roman Church. My only issue is with any religious nation that seeks to take away the rights and freedoms of individuals.

I see "God" as accessible to anyone, and that you do not need to join a nation or religious group to access the divine. You do not need any church, temple, synagogue, mosque, etc. You do not need to be under leadership or even government to access the divine, if one so chooses to access the divine. But nations for some strange reason often feel the urge to assimilate, dominate, subdue, the rest.

Williams do you think that hating the catholic church and hating the gay community is an acceptable thing?


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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I do not hate the Roman Catholic church, but i do have a high disdain for what it has done to people throughout history. When we realize that it was nothing more than a creation of the Roman Government to gain control over a portion of the population that they managed to fall out of favor with.

When the government realized they were at odds with a growing number of its 'flock' they decided to create a religion to reign in those lost sheep. They did that successfully with the Roman Catholic Church with a simply concept: if you can't beat them, join them. Win their trust, give them a religion that offers everything they seek (in the form of promises of an afterlife reward system).

Then they created a written guide for their mindless sheep to follow that promotes fear and guilt and declared it the only official "holy book" , from God himself.

It was not written by an author, but rather it was a compilation of materials carefully chosen from hundreds of document, writings, stories, poems, psalms, parables, 'revelations' of some men with an active imagination, all of which represented a theme that this religion would promote. One that the gullible people would accept as proof of their belief that their savior had actually came and gone.

It is like one telling a great big whopper over and over again until the liar himself believes what he is saying to be the truth.

After a few generations passed, the die was cast. People were brainwashed by their parents, their churches, their pastors and priests, and accepted all that was chosen for their spiritual guide, as truth.

That deception by that church is what i find distasteful. When we see the results of those fairy tale lies in today's world, it is amazing to me that people are so gullible even today.

My comments about women abusing young boys was metaphorical only. It meant that women would never be protected by the church the way men are for any reason, as women are still viewed as a lesser species than their male counterparts (by religions and politicians).

And no, i do not think that promoting hatred toward anyone for any reason is an acceptable thing.

You can not hate someone you never even met, unless you are taught to do so by someone you trust, and even at that, if we can't think for ourselves, we should not be having any thoughts at all. Oh, wait, that is exactly what is happening around us today, isn't it?

(: or :) [i am never sure which direction the smiley face should be going]

And lastly, my perceptions of all organized religions are the same as yours. We do not need a middleman to interpret our thoughts or intentions, or pave the way to salvation for us. We are not assured a place in that proverbial 'heaven' simply by virtue of belonging to any cult. We will simply return to where we came from.

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Organized-...


John King IV 3 years ago

A very interesting perspective on the foundations of catholicism.

You focus on the role of the Roman government and how...as you put it: "if they could not beat them then they should join them" "them" refferring to the ancient early christian groups. I like how you emphasize how the christian religion was created. I think this is a better statement that saying "how the religion evolved", since religion is not really a living organism that evolves, it is a creation of men, and throughout the generations, it changes here and there, to the pattern created by its creators, the worshippers themselves.

All modern forms of christian religions, may claim to be the exact same as the original sect set up by Jesus and his apostles, but the fact of the matter is that the tradition has changed through the ages. Medieval Catholicism is one exception, where Christianity remained very uniform and static (from roughly 600-1500 CE).

I think that the ancient primitive Roman government was conquered, rather than just saying it assimilated christianity in order to maintain their government. Many might focus on the barbarian foreign invasions, collapse of the Roman economy, or other things. (And these things are all true), but one can not ignore the influence of the social movement of Christianity, which many souls adopted as their religion.

Christianity greatly contributed to the destruction of both ancient Israel, and later on, it even conquered and destroyed the old Roman empire, by infiltrating into its government and people, and converting them all.

Now, monopolies in general, do not last very long, but the Christian monopoly in history had lasted for over 1000 years. An incredible accomplishment, but I doubt this will ever happen again. We all now know what happens when religion dominates a government and civilization....... ignorance, tyranny, and coruption.

I think the holy books of the religions are wonderful texts to study, and they contain much wisdom, but they ought to remain a private thing which individuals do, if they so choose to. (When everyone is forced to assimilate a dogma, then freedom will be tossed out, and disaster will follow).


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

There was no Christianity per se before the Roman government created the catholic church. Jesus obviously was not "christian" since term christianity was coined after his death.

You refer to the "original sect set up by Jesus and his apostles", but that is incorrect. Jesus never started any religious sect. He was a gnostic who believed that each individual has the capacity to connect with the creator without belonging to any 'organized' group.

When the government created the catholic church they declared the beliefs of Jesus as heretic and they were banned from public view.

The writings after Jesus died included many hundreds and many different authors. I have never heard, or found any evidence in my research, of Jesus writing anything at all. Everything about his beliefs and his life were recorded by others and included their personal beliefs about what actually happened.

I do agree that the "holy" books are interesting to study, but that is where i draw the line. We can never know who wrote them, and their frame of mind when they did, and we only have their own testimony of where they got their ideas for the materials they wrote.

Somehow humans have this innate need to believe in something greater than themselves, and that need spawned a gullibility that led to the current state of modern day religious "teachings".

All the ancient writings were 'interpreted' by people who wanted to believe in the superstition, mysticism, mystique, and the presence of one almighty being who rules over us with an iron fist, sending people to hell to burn for eternity if they don't toe the line.

The evolution of the catholic church from its conception to today's version is based solely on what they wanted to present themselves as, to the general public. For instance, putting the pope in the role of being the mouth piece of God, was of their own volition, not based on any facts at all. They needed to create a hierarchy within the organization of the church.

I know i am over simplifying, but the point is that there was nothing mystical, or godly, about how religion was created or why. It was all about control, and it still is today.

I would never use the word psychic when describing myself, but 'seer' might be more closely descriptive. I 'knew' things at an early age long before i studied about religion. Enough so, that when i actually started studying and trying to understand why it is so important to people today, i knew that it was not all factual, except in the minds of the people who wrote about what they believed 2,000 (+/-) years ago.


John King IV 3 years ago

very interesting....

I am beginning to see that it is human nature to disagree and agree with things. We could not all agree, because we are not all clones. We could disagree completely, but I feel that this would be an act of a rascal, and of quarrel's.

Any way. My comments....

I can not see Jesus as a gnostic. I have read the nag hammadi scriptures. These where gentile converts, who where intellectuals. They saw Jesus as a god. This was not the religion of Jesus.

Jesus was a jew who worshipped his God (the father, who was also seen as the same God of Israel, of the older scriptures).

Christianity, was a term, according to Acts, that was used to describe the gentile converts, who followed jesus.

Both the gentile roman government and the jewish governments saw Christians as "heretics".

As time passed by, within as little as 300 years after the cross, gentile Christians saw jewish followers of the jesus brand of Judaism as heretics. Catholicsm was a movement of Christian bishops designed to unify the churchs various sects. (eg gnostics, marcionites, arians, etc)

One thing many early Christian authorities desired was to make a dogma, a universal bible, which was to be the only true words of god for the world.

As for "the mystical" yes, human beings, both of the past, and today, like to see things from beyond a materialistic physical outlook. Dreams and fantasies also originate from ourselves, yet are not allways accurate, in reflecting reality. Yesterday, the epicureans who focused on inner self, pleasure, and happiness, where criticized. Today, some like to criticize athiests or agnostics for similar reasons. Yet I see the athiest and agnostic points of view as more rational that the Christian or religious view in many things.

As for "hell" politically speaking, we would not want people to get depressed, and bring on plagues to the earth. But like it or not, I believe that this concept describes a real phenomenon. To deny human misery, is to live in a fake fantasy world my friend.


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

You say you cannot see Jesus as a Gnostic, but that was exactly what he was according to history.

Now you have to realize that the history portrayed by Catholicism is a bit tainted. It would not be prudent for the Papacy to teach how corrupt the popes were in the beginning, or how they were throwing christians to the lions, hanging them on crosses, and why they declared Gnosticism heresy.

There is no evidence that a 'hell' exists, but it sure has scared the dickens out of a lot of children (and adults).

Jesus undoubtedly did refer to God as his "father" and we all can do the same today as we are all still descendents of what the Creator - well - "created".

Mankind has managed to twist every question that anyone has ever had about why a God that is capable of everything, actually created such an inferior product as a human with all its frailties, and parts that break down frequently, and with an expiration date attached to it.

So, one can only conclude that most of what we were taught as children and most of what we read of the translations of ancient writings are flawed by the (backward, and limited education) of thoughts of the humans who penned those words.

And you are correct about the futility of denying human misery. It is grossly apparent all around us every single day.

Many people actually believe that Dante' Inferno was based on reality as well. He had a great imagination as did many in the past, and today; but because we were indoctrinated to believe there is a hell we will always try to avoid it, at any cost, just in case it just might be real.

Maybe implanting that notion in the brains of children may indeed have prevented succumbing to the urge to hurt others, in some people. But when we see politicians and religious leaders deliberately causing pain and afflictions of those who do not follow their religious dogma, we can also see that it has not done enough to scare the majority.

We also have to admit that the electrical component of the human body is the essence that keeps the body functioning - that portion can never be destroyed (or sent to hell) since pain and suffering is only important to the flesh and blood entities.

There is no going backwards to believe those scary stories, when logic and rationality negate them.

People can believe what they chose, but my quarrel is with those who try to push their narrow minded views onto other people who have actually intellectually evolved beyond that point.


John King IV 3 years ago

Yes.... I am so with you in regards to dogma of any kind. Trying to control people and their way of thinking is stupidity.

It is also possible to agree with you, if one assumes that your definition of hell and god is indeed what the majority of people believe to be true.

Surely you got to admit that "hell" and "god" are mere words. Words have many... many... meanings. Humans have over a hundred different languages and ways to define god and hell. People likewise associate god and hell with many different meanings.

I personally believe in a hell, but as I see it, and not as other ignorant people see it. (eg. as dante's inferno) It is the same with the concept of god. (I believe in the concept of God, but again not as the majority sees God. The worlds gods to me are fake, foolish, created, and based on old misguided religious traditions.

I could say the same about any other of numerous political views: (eg how I see morals, what is right or wrong, gender roles, justice, science, etc)

You seem to see hell as a spiritual world. (I do not believe in spirit worlds or in an after life, as Christians or older pagans once did). I could say so much more on these things:

You seem to see catholics as "non-Christian", as if they persecuted Christians like the old Roman pagans and jewish authorities once did to early followers of Jesus in the first century. I see this as non-sence. From the catholic point of view, their version of Christianity is the only true Christianity. It is the various protestant sect of satan's divided kingdom that are the heretical apostates with strange new doctrines. (eg think Jehovah's witness, messianic jews, Mormons, Christian science, born again Christians, etc. For catholics, in the age of the reformation (around 500-400 years ago), such people where demon possessed heretics who deserved to be burnt alive. Today, we are smarter, and have laws to protect peoples freedom of expression and religion. Individuals are free to worship as they please and join any religion they want without fear of an inquisition.


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

How can you believe in a hell and not in an afterlife?

the only way that is possible is the belief that this life on earth is actually hell.

I got my thoughts jumbled together with the statement: "when they tossed the christians to the lions.." In the proper sequence, the government created catholicism and the hierarchy of the church. So the first popes were puppets of the government. I should have said their (the government's) 'history' of throwing christians to the lions.

Sometimes my brain works faster than my fingers can type.

I agree that in today's version of Christianity they do see themselves as the only true religion. There was a period of transition between when the government created the Roman catholic church and when it dubbed it as Christian. And later by government edict made their version of what their church would embrace as dogma (bible) an official decree. By that decree they embraced the RCC as the official religion of the government, and the bible the "holy" word of God - never to be disputed.

People bought the concept and today believe that God actually dictated it to those who actually wrote it. And as a consequence try to view it as a factual novel of sorts.

It is difficult for me to understand how in today's world we can be so consumed and ruled by such ancient malarkey.

As i said before, i don't care what people believe, i just don't want it pushed into my face. But the Christians use that same argument when i write about equality for the gay community. There is quite a difference in those concepts and the reasoning for both cannot be intertwined. It is only an argument that is used when someone is backed into a corner without any intelligent rational reasons for fostering their prejudices.


John King IV 3 years ago

Hmmmmm learned a new word today: "Malarkey" (had to look it up).

Yes, I think that the concept of hell actually refered to a condition in real life...of the soul. In other words, what condition hits peoples minds, as a result of horrible real things: (eg suffering, pain, torment, imprisonment, sickness, being treated unjustly, etc) I also do not see hell as a place where only "bad" people go. I also view the word "eternity" as a concept that is beyond time. (since souls are allways in the present, yet they are not immortal, ... in other words, people eventually die, their is no spirit world or after life, as I see it) Biblical words and concepts are really ancient, but they can be translated into modern language by one who knows the ancient literature, history, and culture).

"when they tossed christians to the lions" This is a huge ignorance. The fact of the matter is that only a very few Christians of the ancient world where martyred by being fed to the wild beasts. Before about 400 Ce, their was no such thing as Catholicism. Catholicism did not just show up in one day. It was a long evolutionary process. Catholicsm evolved from a more primitive kind of christianity, which was a trinitarian theology. The bishop of Rome also, eventually evolved into a pope, much later. Popes became politicians only after around 500 CE. They never technically functioned as kings, but they did have immense powers, comparable to the medieval kings of Europe. The government did not create christianity, (I am talking history here!). In fact, Christianity shaped the government in the middle ages.

Anyway, you probably know many of these things allready.

I do not care about the religious communities, the gay community, or any other social group, or what they do with their lives, so long as they do not interfere or impose themselves on me, or my loved ones.


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Lady Guinevere 3 years ago from West Virginia

Excellent article! Voted Up


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Docmo 3 years ago from UK

Truly interesting premise of what could've happened... the social, historical and theological perspectives here are very interesting. Perhaps belief exists to shake away that notion of insignificance. Perhaps the scientific principle of happenstance where a primordial pool of elements combining and recombining in a conducive laboratory that just happened to be the right distance from the sun makes humans feel rather empty. Perhaps some humans fear that a land without God will descend into pandemonium ( what a word!) and chose to use unseen masters to control human behaviour. Strange, though, that this God seeking killed more humans in the name of religion through persecution, inquisition and wars.

As for me, I marvel at the chance, the probability and the chaos that birthed us. My own ancestors believed in a pantheon of Hindu Gods- Gods that were creators and destructors, lightning and rain, wind and fire and even the sun. The original thought was all about nature and the cosmos held in awe. It is what followed later that got lost in a medley of superstitious rituals and fear mongering. Humanity never fails to astound me. As a Physician who was born a Hindu and married to a Catholic I frequently find myself indulging in such discussion and dialogue with my children.... they seem to enjoy it!

Enjoyed reading this.


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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thank you so much for reading and commenting.

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thanks for your words of acknowledgment. They are well appreciated. Too much emphasis is placed on religious beliefs. Every cultus thinks it is the correct one, but i truly assert that none of them are totally representative of , or worth of representing, a creator that in comparison, puts us as humans on the scale of an amoeba.

So, when people try to justify their beliefs by quoting from their respective holy books, they are immediately dismissed as irrelevant.

We all possess the same connection to the universe, and we are all equal in importance.


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vveasey 3 years ago from Detroit,MI

Very Very interesting article and comments

And imagination about who Jesus was. It was a fun read

except for one thing...there is no historical evidence that Jesus ever lived.

The reason that people believe he did live is because that's what they've been taught. It like when I was a kid I believed in Santa Claus just as much as I did in Jesus and God. In fact I believed in Santa more because he brought me presents and I could go to mall and sit in his lap at Christmas time. When could you ever do that with God or Jesus?

The belief in Jesus and God is like that


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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I am happy you found this page.

For some reason HP blocks certain hubs from being accessed? I am not suggesting they ''censure'' controversial subjects, per se, but it sure seems that way at times.

Anyway - i understand what you are saying and you certainly are correct that there is no proof of JC actually existing other than what is recorded by those who purportedly knew him.

But, this can also be said of many other historical figures.

So, we must ''assume'' that there was an actual person whose existence influenced the start of a new calendar (ac/bc).

What we cannot, or should not, be assuming is that those historical writings are to be believed verbatim.

The major difference between the Jesus stories, and Santa, the Easter Bunny and other fairytale characters is that those others were associated with positive thoughts. Where JC was associated with violence, hatred, intolerance, persecution, judgmentalism, and rewards/punishments only attainable after death.

Somehow the threats of eternal punishment brainwashed into the minds of children from the time of their births, has had a greater impact on our collective societal belief systems than the more pleasant and benevolent fairytale characters.


Virender 23 months ago

I am Ostranuel Senior Pastor of the Revival & Miracles Center Monrovia-Liberia West Africa I read your ministry and belveie in what you are doing how can I be part of it or attend any of your conference.thanks His servant.


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Buildreps 18 months ago from Europe

Great analysis who Jesus really was. I think you strike the nail on the head here!


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d.william 18 months ago from Somewhere in the south Author

Virender:

Thanks for your comments and my apologies for taking so long to respond to them. I have been away from H.P. for many months due to other matters that were more urgent to tend to and have recently returned to continue my writings here.

In response to your questions - i have no ministry per se. I only believe in the logic and common sense approach to unsubstantiated beliefs that control the lives of so many people without any basis in reality. We find inner peace only when we come to terms with conflicts within our own minds, and must not be influenced by the fears, threats, or superstitions of others who choose to belief what they do, for whatever reason they have for doing so.


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d.william 18 months ago from Somewhere in the south Author

buildreps:

Thanks for reading and your comments. Only those people who are not completely immersed in their indoctrinated belief systems would accept this as a real possibility based on rationality and common sense.


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colorfulone 5 weeks ago from Minnesota

I pray that the Lord would grace us with a righteous government to be established in America.


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d.william 5 weeks ago from Somewhere in the south Author

colorfulone: Thanks for your comment. All the prayers in this world will not change the corruption now present in our government. The only way anything will change is if people get involved, learn what congressional candidates stand for, and vote for those who will best represent the people and not corporate interests as they do now. The current GOP presidential hopeful has fooled the people (as did Hitler) and this country will suffer more that we have with him in power.

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