Why Islam and Modern Societies Clash

 Islam and most western cultures are incompatible. Many think it can be fixed or tolerated when both groups need to. But, at the most basic level they appear to be at opposite ends of humane treatment.

For example, in Saudi Arabia, Muslim law and its religion, Islam, allows the horrible practice of chlid marriages. The culture encourages it in many Islamic states. I mean, Prophet Muhammad had a wife names Aisha, she was 7 yrs. old. In 2006, a Saudi judge sentenced a young woman to 200 lashes and months in prison for MERELY being alone in a car with a man she was not related to.

NEVER MIND THAT THE GUY RAPED HER!

In 2008, two reporters for a mainstream newspaper there were sentenced for execution because they told their readers that there are other religions worthy of their respect. It was only at the intervention of the King and world opinion that the sentences were commuted.

Islam promotes a sick custom of parents marrying off their girls, as young as 7 or 8 yrs. old. Can you imagine this? Some 45 yr old man marrying your 8 yr old, knowing full well he his going to have sex with her? Gross...Gross...Gross.

In 2009, the Saudi Court refused to allow a 8 yr old girl a divorce. Yes, you heard me right, DIVORCE. While the Court refused her a divorce, they did issue an order for the husband not to have sex with her until age 12 or 13. Of course, who in the world is going to make sure that does not happen? Make me laugh! Even though Saudi's Justice Mohammed al-Issa advised the King that Saudi law should change so a girl 18 yrs or younger cannot get married, the old clerics who control domestic policy have ignored it.

In 2010, a 12 yr old girl requested a divorce be granted from her--80 yr old -- husband, even though her father had been paid $22,000 to allow the marriage. The divorce never happened.

Saudi Arabia is only but one Muslim nation dealing with this sort of perversion. Sorry, that is what it is. Turkey, a NATO country, last year passed a new law allowing a 12 yr old girl to get married, if parents agree. This is an indication that the Islamic law is skewing the secular law of Turkey, which up to now, was much more like European countries.

The girl marriage issue is only one of many perverted issues that Islam force upon muslims in the name of Allah, which nobody in the West agrees with. Hopefully, Saudi Arabia will come to the 21st Century and rid itself of Islam's most horrible laws. 

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Freya Cesare 6 years ago from Borneo Island, Indonesia

Hi, it is obvious for me you know nothing about Islam. How you can be a writer and speak anything you want when you not go deeper into the subject you write before you written it? Where is your responsibility then to your reader?

I suggesting you, before you write something about Islam, your better read Al Qur'an first, or you will become the sources of laughed.

First thing of all, Islam is religion. Saudi Arabia is country who run by their own culture, which involving Islam, but not all. And it work the same with many other country who have Islam as their belief in majority. Islam is religion, but what are you talking about simply a culture heritage.

Furthermore, you made opinion on Muslim Society only based by what you heard in media. If you want to judge others, at first you should look into your own community first before making any comments. Western, what is so good about your morality?

Adultery caused genital disease become so common

Infidelity become a game of life where sex is so openly exposed to the world and ruin children morality

Your fast way of life and indivuduality caused many of you lack compassionate heart toward the needy

You kicked out your elder to nursing house, forgot that they have gave you so much to help you growth into adult

So I go further?


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perrya 6 years ago Author

Try to stay on topic. Cultural heritage yes, dictated by the teaching of clerics and Islam, yes. Saudi Arabia internal affair, yes, customs based on their religion, yes. Severe treatment of girls, yes. Power to halt this, yet refuse to, yes. Does world opinion matter to them, yes and no. I suppose you would allow your daughter to marry at age 8 or 12 yrs? If not, you must agree with me, it is horrible. All religions have bad and good, but Islam seems to be the extreme and one created around the male species based on their culture heritage.


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Freya Cesare 6 years ago from Borneo Island, Indonesia

Ow, that's only became more evident for me about how ignorant you are. Have a nice day! :)


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Mahmo 6 years ago

It seems that you are mixing Isamic teachings with the social customs of some tribes in Saudi Arabia. parents have no right in Islam to force their children to marry someone they don’t wish to. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) has categorically stated, “A woman who is never married before cannot be given in marriage without her consent; while a woman who is married before cannot be given in marriage without her order!”

Once, a girl approached the Prophet complaining that her father had given her away in marriage without her consent. The Prophet asked the father if it had been the case. When he was told it was so, he ordered for the annulment of the marriage, but then the girl stepped forward and said, “I have accepted my father’s choice, but I wished to let the women know that they cannot be given away in marriage without their consent!”

In light of the above, let me state that while you are obliged to obey your parents in matters that belong to their rights, they have no right to force you to marry someone you don’t like to marry. For marriage is a life-long partnership, and, therefore, you have the right to choose your partner. Imam Ibn Taymiyah has rightly said, “Just as parents cannot force their (grown-up) children to eat foods they do not wish to, they have no right to force them to marry someone they don’t like.”


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perrya 6 years ago Author

Well, maybe so, but then why does saudi arabia and other Muslim countries simply outlaw it, as its own minister advised them? It seems that in many countries, Islam teachings, customs are mixed together creating really negative impressions in non-islamic nations. Simply pass a law forbidding this and other bad practices. Separate the church from the state.


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George J Hardy 6 years ago from Southern New Jersey

Picking a virtue for the day, or any day for that matter, will not make a person more religious. Muslims seem to relish their freedom to choose their morality as if it blows by them in the wind.


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perrya 6 years ago Author

Some of the Muslim customs are debated between other Muslims as to whether they are ordained by the Koran, so there are degrees of extremes within the Muslim community. Unfortunately, the extremes give Islam and Muslims a very bad name in the non-Muslim countries.


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eranahubs@hotmail 6 years ago from pakistan

U READ QURAN AND SAHIH HADITH

I THINK U NEED STUDY ISLAM MORE ... I THINK U SHOULD DOWNLOAD AUDIO OF ANWAR AL AWLAKI FROM MY FOLLOWING BLOGS AND UNDERSTAND ISLAM AND ITS TEACHING MORE

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perrya 6 years ago Author

Probably true, but that will not change my mind and many other Westerners about the horrible customs some Muslim countries allow. Any decent human being simply could not think the judicial system in saudi arabia or Iran is fair and justified. Just another reason why the non-muslim countries and muslim countries have problems.


insaniyat 6 years ago

Hi perrya,

If you want to find the truth, do not look out for others of what they are doing to live. The best way is to follow those who are trying to spread the Islam. If terrorists are having their name as Muslims, then all Muslims cannot be terrorist. I some time pity on Non-Muslims because of their such remarks about Islam & muslims. TIME IS FLYING, IT WILL NEVER COME BACK. So, please try to understand the truth. Do not judge Islam by what others are doing. Do not under-estimate Islam. Do not try to criticize it. Listen to elders, what they are trying to teach about Islam. Just stay away from all thoughts of world, while listening to any Islamic Scholar, sure you will realize that Islam is true religion. Everyone is now thinking that there is some power, who runs this world, Of course, it is Allah & Islam teaches us to believe in unseen power. Hope you got the message. Just visit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E66BYipz0o0&feature... and you will find your answers. Thanks. Your well wisher.


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perrya 6 years ago Author

Islam, like any religion, is a powerful force. Many die for it, but it is a religion created by man. like being a Catholic. True, terrorists make it hard for other muslims who do not share the jihad mentality. The terrorists make Islam look bad in the West. It was not like this before the terrorists began their jihad, they are to blame.


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eranahubs@hotmail 6 years ago from pakistan

http://hubpages.com/politics/Is-terrorism-Muslim-m...

THIS IS PUBLISHED BY ME .... ESPECIALLY FOR U !!

u SHOULD WATCH ... ALL THE VIDEOS ...

LEARN ABOUT ISLAMIC TECAHING AND TERRORISM


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perrya 6 years ago Author

Nakir is really another radical islamic preacher, ex medical doctor, from India. The wahabi sect funds him via Peace TV on the Internet. This sect promotes terrorism. Some 20 fatwas have been issued by Islam of America against his false teachings and twisted words. He gives Islam a bad name. Before you follow him, be intelligent, research his sermons.


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eranahubs@hotmail 6 years ago from pakistan

... I THINK DA .... U DID NOT WATCHED .... ALL THE VIDEO AND ITS DO NOT PROMOTE THE TERRORISM ...INSTEAD ITS SHOW ..... THAT TERRORISM IS NOT MONOPOLY OF MUSLIM....


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perrya 6 years ago Author

What is terrorism to one, may not be so to other. But he does promote intolerance of all religions except Islam. He tries to convert one's thinking using twisted, silly examples, that if examined carefully, do not make sense. This is America, so it is OK to disagree and have differing opinions without fear of getting your head or hand chopped off like Saudia Arabia and Iran do under the Islam banner.


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eranahubs@hotmail 6 years ago from pakistan

he promote tolerance and why with out research ... u pass a comment and i should express view with proofs !!


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pintails7886 6 years ago from Memphis TN

Perrya, I am an american a disabled veteran infact, and a recent revert to Islam. and if you want to talk terrorism, and a screwed up judical system you need not go so far, and the US is the worst of them all we fool people into believing our government is good, at least these people dont try to hide it. IN the US a burglar can sue a home owner if they get hurt while they are robbing the people Justice? I think not. so that isnt as bad a terrorism and public hangings, what about the CIA selling crack in boston and newyork to its own citizens to fund the war to fight the cocain cartels in south America, oh yeah we are great roll modles, that is one of the MANY MANY reasons I will be moving to a muslim country to raise my children. And if you think this is all I ahve, for every situation you bring up I can match it and double it.


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perrya 6 years ago Author

Stalemate, then. Nothing is perfect, but where would rather live: in the US or an Islamic country?


insaniyat 6 years ago

Actually you are lucky, cos so many people convincing you, hope you will understand by reading below;

Thinking & assuming of Life & Death is very easy without taking into consideration of the true facts of this temporary World.

But the reality is different, everyone after spending some time will face the Death & will be no more in this world, that is for sure. History is Proof. We cannot see Hitler now, where he has gone? What will happen to his Deeds, which he did in his life? Will he get punishment or will be awarded? Sure there will be some kind of judgment still pending for the past people & future generation too. This is the belief in Islam.

Islam is the only religion on this earth which defines the true meaning of the DEATH and the LIFE after Death (which never Ends).

Death means transfer of soul from this real world to the Creator (Allah). Allah keeps all the souls in the sky since ADAM till the End of this World ("Qayamat" as mentioned in Quran). There will be a rebirth of the mankind and gathering on a Hashar ka Maidan (Judgment Day). Allah will check the complete report of everyone's good & bad DEEDS (not the Money & Status). Believe it or not, every moment of our life is recording, whether we are doing good or bad, it is recorded. NO ONE has the right to change it afterwords. Every day in evening the Angles turning the PAGE of that Day & will open it again on the Judgment Day!.

Yes, it is the Islam. Everyday in morning our PAGE is empty like blank Excel Sheet with Date, Time, Place, Event, and INTENTION etc etc.and which is filled by the Angels. Do you know where are the Angels who write our Deeds everyday? Believe it or Not, they are with us always and sitting on our SHOULDERS. The Right shoulder Angel writes the Good Deeds, and the Left shoulder Angel writes the Bad Deeds.

We human being have brain to use it properly and as per guided by Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) should fill the sheet with Good Deeds. Only one's behavior is recording.

At Judgment Day, Angels will produce these Records to Allah. After analysis of records and based on our Deeds, Allah will give back the FINAL REPORT to us. People who believe in Allah & His Judgment Day and followed the guidance of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) will receive the Report in RIGHT HAND, then it is considered to be the Entry Ticket to HEAVEN. If god-forbidden, one receives the Report in his/her LEFT HAND, then it is considered to be the Entry Ticket to HELL. This is FINAL JUDGMENT. No one can deny it. Those who get report in Left Hand will seek Allah's permission to send him/her back to this real World again, to do good deeds this time. Allah will say, No my son, you lost the opportunity. No more world & no more good deeds. Allah will tell Angles to take him/her to Hell.

For those people who receive report in Right Hand, will be very happy as they will enter into Heaven. The Life in Heaven & Hell will never ends (as mentioned in Quran).

Actually there are many things I can write about it. But you can always read Quran to know more. Click here for more: http://worldupdates.tripod.com/newupdates10/id121.... GOOD LUCK.


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perrya 6 years ago Author

Thanks, no problem with what you said, in fact, it sounds like Christianity about judgement day and what happens. I am talking about the radical customs stemming from Islam, like, beheading a man for making a prediction or stoning a man or woman for infindelity or stealing a loaf of bread. Those customs are crimes themselves.


gemini_fellow 6 years ago

i am really getting confused here what is going on with the societies these days, any one with the power in politics can use religion to impose a rule on societies.

Racism is prohibbited in Islam but i m sorry to say that Saudi Arab people are more racist then any one in the world.

Hard working and is one of the teaching of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)Saudis are to much lazy. Islam give a rights to Womens saudis never talk about this any time. if we see the religions in the world every religion root is almost same only teach you about the humanity, we are the people Changing the rules and regulation every day. Common people is busy to feed their family,

I am just a common person who belive in humanity


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perrya 6 years ago Author

yes, true, most religions are the same.


gemini_fellow 6 years ago

Hey perrya i was expecting your professional comment what i said about it.


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perrya 6 years ago Author

I did.


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pintails7886 6 years ago from Memphis TN

and islamic country. I would not raise children in the sex ridden drug culture us that is for sure.


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perrya 6 years ago Author

Sounds like you are convert. if you, as a parent, cannot raise children to avoid this, you should not be a parent. But, I guess it is alright to teach them that women and girls can only do certain things because God said so in the islamic society. Like, females are forbidden to attend soccer games because men are there, such bullshit, IMO.


Rookie70 6 years ago

I've recently finished my page on a similar subject entitled, "Islam Exposed." Try me. Everytime somebody points out the flaws in Islamic laws and teachings, somebody else gets offended. Well, Islam originated with moon worship. Arab nations always prayed to Mecca and followed up with pilgrimages. Moon worship dates all the way back to biblical times in the old testament. Allah is not God, he is a God created and worshipped by Muslims and Arabs alike. If Jesus Christ was just a prophet, why did he heal the sick, raise the dead, make blind men see, turn water in to wine, walk on water, calm the storm, allow Peter to walk on water ( although Peter sank), and why did Christ recieve the spirit of God without measure unlike other prophets? To which prophet did God say, "Thou art my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased?" If God said it to Jesus, then Jesus must be the only prophet to get that glory from God. Muhammad didn't get it, Moses didn't get it, Elijah didn't get it, Abraham didn't get it, David didn't get it, although David was a king and not a prophet, Jonah, Job, or anybody else for that matter. Even John the Baptist didn't get it, and he was the messenger prophesied to go in the wildernesses, and throughout to preach Jesus' coming into the world. Why isn't he acknowledged? Jesus himself said that there has been no man greater than John the Baptist. And John was a messenger of Jesus Christ.


Babar Khursheed 5 years ago

it is obvious for me you know nothing about Islam. How you can be a writer and speak anything you want when you not go deeper into the subject you write before you written it? Where is your responsibility then to your reader?

I suggesting you, before you write something about Islam, your better read Al Qur'an first, or you will become the sources of laughed.

First thing of all, Islam is religion. Saudi Arabia is country who run by their own culture, which involving Islam, but not all. And it work the same with many other country who have Islam as their belief in majority. Islam is religion, but what are you talking about simply a culture heritage.

Furthermore, you made opinion on Muslim Society only based by what you heard in media. If you want to judge others, at first you should look into your own community first before making any comments. Western, what is so good about your morality?

Adultery caused genital disease become so common

Infidelity become a game of life where sex is so openly exposed to the world and ruin children morality

Your fast way of life and indivuduality caused many of you lack compassionate heart toward the needy

You kicked out your elder to nursing house, forgot that they have gave you so much to help you growth into adult

So I go further?


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perrya 5 years ago Author

I wonder where Barbae lives? Hmm, if the US or any western style society, why? why would such a person choose to live in an area he actually despises?


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upal19 5 years ago from Dhaka

Dear perrya, islam is not created by a man named muhammad. islam is created by god. islam believers are muslims. all prophets were muslims even jesus. adam was the first muslim. muhammad was not a simple person. prophet moses and prophet jesus foretold their fellowmen about coming of mohammed. you will find those foretellings in their religious books even in present bible and torah. if you don't find please ask me to show.


Mian Bilal 5 years ago

Islam teaches a lesson how to answer. Supose if a person do anything illegal,he/she realize when. when he/she gets punishment. then he/she thinks that we were wrong because he/she is found guilty with proofs.If he/she they were aware of it of doing wrong must be punished by any society.Then they would have never done anything illegal. NOTE:When anybody in the world say or do anything bad or criticize others or religion it doesnt matter,because if he/she was aware of it .Then he/she would never have cross the limits. Such things occur when the MIND is blind. MORALE:There is nothing awesome for a Blind in this world.


Zthaj 5 years ago

Perrya

Islam has got so much of good things, but it looks like you are not ready to look at it. go through some books of islam, you will come to know wat it is, don't read newspaper articles, read books on islam and its goodness. newspapers write anything as fillers. in my view, saudi is far better than america, wher sex is like selling corn, gay and lesbian relationships are treated as legal issues, young gals studying in school are turning into young mothers, gals dressed with threads instead of clothes, fathers presenting better looking new moms to their children on mothers day, divorces has become a new year resolution, marriage has no meaning and after somedays even oxford dictionary will take off the word marriage from it, where ladies are gifting their husbands a spend to night with her friend on his birthday,................................... what you wanna tell abt this??????


shadow1453 5 years ago

You cannot look at a religion and make an opinion based on how the people of today adapt that religion to themselves. Its not what it writes in the Qoran... its how you understand it and apply it to yourself.. jst because some countries who claim to be run by shariah law makes bad judgement that cannot be blames on the religion itself... jihad for example which means 'fighting' in the name of Allah. not always in the physical fighting term. for e.g 'fighting cancer' does not mean really beating cancer up.. same with jihad.. teaching the youth the right path and true islam, is jihad aswell.killing the innocent is not allowed in islam.. so when a group of so-called extremists (in my opinion: people who dont understand their religion at all) kille a few innocent lives you cannot blame an entire religion on their actions


HaaNNii xxx 5 years ago

u know,your kind of stupid perrya because you only hate on islam however you do not look at your own religion and how

stupid it has become.SO WHAT they marry off young girls. i am 14 and even i know that THEY ARE WRONG however you should hate the whole of islam for it. the saudi arabian people do not even oblige to the actual teachings of islam.YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT IF YOU HAD READ MOST OF THE COMMENTS....instead of being too lazy assed to.DO YOU think thats the worst thing ever.mate u should see how other places are.although it is wrong atleast the girls are married before they have sex. also this means theres less chance of them getting aids or HIV. if you think that your culture is so right and that everyone elses is wrong than why do you guys get DRUNK AND BEAT YOUR WIVES ALSO BY GETTING DRUNK YOU ALSO DAMAGE YOUR BODY. !!!!!STOP WRITING ABOUT STUFF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND PLEASE!!!!!. ANG GUESS WHAT MANY WOMEN GET RAPED AND EVEN IN AMERICA THEY DONT GET JUSTICE FOR WHAT HAPPEND TO THEM EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THE JUDJE WAS AN IDIOT.

HOWEVER THAT WAS NO ONE ELSES FAULT SO !!!DO NOT!!!

SAY THAT THE WHOLE OF ISLAM IS WRONG.


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perrya 5 years ago Author

I don't think so at all. I know the difference between good Islam and bad Islam.


wellwisher 5 years ago

Hello to all , I was looking for something else and this blog popped up and I read everybody's comments. You are really lucky mr.perrya that so many people are trying to explain what islam is. Before making up your mind about islam you should read carefully quran and hadith that is teaching of prophet mohammed ( peace be upon him), if you want to know about a religion ( if it is not only about criticizing others) know it through the authentic source not through its people ( i said authentic source because right now there is too much of twisted information everywhere and you being new to it may look and read anything posted and say it is a part of islam). Certain things I wanted to say about many people who have written before including you, word JIHAD look up in dictionary first it means to strive for , to resist , everybody in this world is a jihadi including you and islam teaches peace , it says if you kill one innocent person ,it is like you killed the whole humanity , and it is a religion by GOD not made by man and it respects and believes all the prophets the messengers like moses, jesus, adam , abraham etc( peace be upon all of them )they came with the correct message ,the message from GOD but people twisted it and made these messengers 'GOD'. Every prophet had some miraculous properties like JESUS(pbuh) had many but that was by the permission of GOD( or ALLAH IN ARABIC).Also somebody mentioned god will say "no son you will not go back to world to do good" just wanted to correct WE ARE NOT HIS SON OR DAUGHTERS' WE ARE ONE OF HIS CREATION .HE DOES NOT HAVE A SON DAUGHTER MOTHER FATHER. MAY ALLAH GUIDE YOU AND ALL OF US TO THE STRAIGHT PATH AS LIFE IS TOO SHORT. STOP CRITICIZING PEOPLE AND PLEASE DO SOME GOOD TO YOUR SELF READ AND FIND THE TRUTH AS LIFE IS TOO SHORT. THIS IS YOUR OWN FIGHT AND NO ONE INCLUDING JESUS(PBUH)IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR DEEDS . REMEMBER AND YOU DONOT KNOW HOW MUCH LIFE IS LEFT , PLEASE ACT FAST. WISH YOU THE BEST.


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Umna Safdar 5 years ago

Oh God...! Never knew there are people in West who encourage sectarianism and blame East and Islam for doing so. Dear Perrya, your hub literally made me laugh out, just at your ignorance.

Starting from the point that Islam does not protect the rights of a woman-that's a complete bullshit. I agree that marriages of girls at an early age is a practice in many countries but that cannot really be connected with Religion, such practices are common only due to ignorance and illiteracy. It was Islam that abolished the custom of burying alive of female infants from Arabia and Prophet Muhammad(P.B.U.H) implemented it. He said:'Whoever has a daughter and does not bury her, does not insult her and does not prefer his son over her, he will be received by God into Paradise.'

Quran says, 'And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them according to what is equitable, but men have a degree of advantage over them.'(4:228) Remember men have advantage in a sense that they are physically stronger and that's a natural phenomenon.

Prophet said: 'No widow should be married without consulting and no virgin be married without her assent, and her assent is her silence.' Then how can you say young girls are married in the name of Islam. They are married due to ignorance.

Besides, women have full rights to involve in sports activities, to acquire education, right to have property as well as to do work. Prophet said: 'Acquiring knowledge is a duty on every Muslim MALE and FEMALE.' Regarding earning it comes in Quran, 'To men is alloted what they earn and to women what they earn.'

Moreover, I am a 17 years old MUSLIM GIRL, and I am enjoying all rights, example is in front of you, I am using internet, I am interacting with all kinds of people, I am never forced to stay within four walls of my house and my parents never even talked of marrying me to some eighty years old man.

As for terrorism-it has never been the motive of Islam. Do you even know what does word Islam mean. Islam is derived from word Salam which means Peace, it indicates that Islam encourages to spread peace and live with harmony. As well as, science is also now compelled to accept that many things mentioned in Quran are in accordance with science and are truly beneficial.

Yes, one can criticize Muslims because a human can be at fault but one can't criticize the teachings of Islam that are most humane. So,everyone out there, before blurting out anything about any Religion, have a deep study.

Perrya, one must never judge a book by its cover and do have a look on the other side of picture because good and bad people are present all around the world. If a fish in a pond is bad we can't come up with the opinion that the whole of the pond is a piece of shit. Do read Quran and understand it, surely your view will change. :)

http://quran.com/


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perrya 5 years ago Author

I am sure I am not the only one with similar POV.


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Umna Safdar 5 years ago

Yes, you are absolutely right, there are many with such POV and believe me they actually can't see the truth.


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perrya 5 years ago Author

well, it is hard when killing continues in the name of Allah and Islam. The bad press is Islam's worse enemy.


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Umna Safdar 5 years ago

Well, that's just a view people have developed in their minds just because of those people who do not really understand the meaning of Islam and are now called as TERRORIST and EXTREMIST, they fight out of sheer ignorance and bring disgrace to Islam and true Muslims.

Do you know when Prophet(P.B.U.H) conquered Makkah(Mecca), there wasn't any blood shed and that is the most peaceful conquest in the Islamic history, in fact general amnesty was announced for everyone. There's a list of many such examples.

Besides, Allah never encourages for fighting or to forcibly convert non-Muslims. Quran says: 'And let there be no compulsion in Religion.'


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perrya 5 years ago Author

You may be right, but the whole first paragraph tells it like it is.


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Umna Safdar 5 years ago

Well, i mentioned SUCH PEOPLE DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND ISLAM. A true Muslim will never do so. Anyways, my part was to clear the misunderstanding, I can't force you to change your view but can advise you. Decision is yours. Good Luck :)


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Maham Taj 5 years ago

Perrya, here I totally agree with Umna Safdar. The thing is that Muslims themselves didn't understood Islam in a way it should be. Most of them even didn't read Qur'an with full understanding. And you see media is making the conditions worse. Whatever you said was something which was totally based on what mainstream media tells ... If you read Qur'an, then I think you might understand what's the real issue.... I, being a Muslim, peculiarly, a seeker who is understanding Qur'an while relating the Qur'anic verses with the current situations of the World, perceives that we all first need to relate current conditions of world with Qur'an.

Now coming on the issue of early marriage:

First read this verse: "O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord Who created you from a single soul and from it created its mate and from them twain has spread abroad a multitude of men and women. Be careful of your duty toward Allah in Whom you claim of one another, and toward the wombs. Lo! Allah has been a watcher over you." (4:1)Al Qur'an

Now first point: Getting married is encouraged by Islam, not adultery. Adultery is one of the issue for which most of the American population is concerned. That lead to abortions, rape and domestic violence. There are a lot of problems which might take hours for me to write :)

2nd point: Rights, something about which you were overly concerned. Now you see, Allah tell us to be dutiful and rightful to each other, especially the married couples. So don't you see that Islam tells men to look after their women in this verse ???

3rd point: Allah is watcher of everyone's deeds, so it means that if so called Muslim men are beating or killing their women, then it means Allah will surely punish them. That's the justice of Allah when law can't protect their women from getting rapped. Don't you know that America has the highest number of women getting rapped, isn't ??? Though America's law is appreciated all over the world ... !!!

Coming on other verse: "And give to the women (you marry) free gift of their marriage portions; but if they of their own accord remit to you a part thereof, then you are welcome to absorb it (in your wealth). (4:4) Al Qur'an

1st point: Women are given gift on their marriage, which is something there in Islam, as an act of kindness NOT as they are bought by men. I don't think it's present in Judaism or Christianity ...

2nd point: Women are given free will in Islam. When you will read books of 18th century, you will see that women weren't given rights to write, so they have to publish their books under man's name for example, Charlotte Bronte, wrote under pen name of Currer Bell. Women were given rights in the beginning of 20th century, in fact in Germany, the women who introduced radioactivity and made foundations of Atomic bomb wasn't given the credit, also because she was Jew. All credited was given to Lyman James Briggs, see the history of Manhatten Project and see movie: E=mc²: Einstein's Big Idea. It's available on youtube, here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lbkcydKtPE&feature...

See another verse: "Prove orphans till they reach the marriageable age; then, if you find them of sound judgment, deliver over to them their fortune; and devour it not by squandering and in haste lest they should grow up Who so is rich, let him abstain generously; and who so is poor let him take thereof in reason. And when you deliver up their fortune to orphans, have (the transaction) witnessed in their presence. Allah suffice as a Reckoner. (4:6) Al Qur'an

1st point: Marriageable age means when an individual is matured enough to have sex, which in turn means that Islam encourages marriage NOT adultery. Teenagers in developed countries commit fornication, thus teenage pregnant girls have abortions and they even die because of those abortions. The other sin which they commit is that they kill a soul. Islam NEVER encourage such act. So now tell me who is cruel ???

2nd point:"sound judgement", a second point which everyone should have before getting married. Sound judgement can come in any age, means for some it could be 13 or 15 or 17 or 19 or 21 or any age .... So NO where in Qur'an is it written to get married at the age of 6 like Aisha (R.A). Which means that manipulation of facts has taken place in the Ahadith ... cuz her age is not written in Qur'an. It's all which Ahadith tells people of her age. Because Muhammad (PBUH), being a messenger of Islam, CANT go against Qur'an. So if you are misinformed, it's not our problem ... :) And I being a Muslim don't believe that Aisha (R.A) got married to Muhammad (PBUH) at six. She must have got matured and then had sound judgement and then only did the question of marriage was raised.

Another verse: "As for those of your women who are guilty of lewdness, call to witness four of you against them. And if they testify then confine them to the houses until death take them or Allah appoint for them a way. And as for the two of you who are guilty thereof, punish them both. And if they repent and improve, then let them be. Lo! Allah is ever relenting, Merciful. (4:15to16)Al Qur'an

1st point: You said Islam imposes harsh punishment. Again space is provided in Islam. Allah Himself said that "if they repent and improve", which means that the punishment of 100 lashes depends on the situation, it's changeable from individual to individual ... From sin to sin and from age to age. For example if one person had oral sex, it won't lead to 100 lashes but in putting man or woman in house, but if they continue to do that sin, then they have to get 100 lashes. And if any fornication or rape lead to abortion, again 100 lashes are there, cuz 2 sins are committed simultaneously, isn't ???

Read another verse on repentence: "Forgiveness is only incumbent on Allah towards those who do evil in ignorance then turn quickly (in repentance) to Allah. These are they toward whom Allah relent. Allah is ever Knower, Wise." (4:17) Al Qur'an

Verse itself explain, :)

As for the question of 4 marriages: "And if you fear that you will not deal fairly by the orphans, marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four; and if you fear that you cannot do justice (to so many) then one (only) or (the captives) that your right hands possess. Thus it is more likely that you will not do injustice. (4:3)Al Qur'an

1st point, Islam lays importance on justice. Which means a just society can be created if people start to follow Qur'an in a way it should be.

2nd point, If a man fears Allah, then he would be marrying one woman only, which means polygamy can only be practiced when there is dire need ... not for fun ...

So you see, it not Islam which is bad, it's the problem with the followers of Islam. Muslims and Non Muslims, should first read Qur'an and then make any decision ...


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Maham Taj 5 years ago

FOR FURTHER UNDERSTANDING ....!!!

The Quran does not state a specific legal age of marriage, however it does give a guideline and mentions situations and conditions that should be considered before marriage:

Determining mutual attraction/compatibility [2:221, 2:235, 30:21, 33:52]

Ascertaining whether the potential partner is of similar beliefs/faith [2:221, 60:10]

Discussion of and agreeing to the level of dower and other terms (if any) [4:4, 4:24]

Understanding and mutual acceptance of marriage as a solemn/strong oath/contract [4:21, 2:232, 2:237, 24:33]

If male, capable of providing for the family/household [2:228, 2:233, 4:34, 65:6]

To have physically matured / post-puberty [4:6, 24:31, 24:58-59]

If the marriage is unsuccessful, one should also be capable of undertaking divorce proceedings, e.g. separation period, arbitration, discussion of settlement etc [2:226-232, 2:241, 4:35, 4:128-130, 33:49, 65:1-6].

We will discuss in more detail the verse which specifically mentions the issue of age. The context is the rights of orphans and their wealth:

And do not give the imprudent/weak-minded your money which God has made for you a means of support, and spend on them from it and clothe them, and speak to them in goodness. [4:5]

And test the orphans until they have reached marriageable age*, then if you determine in them sound judgment**, then give them their wealth, and do not deliberately consume it wastefully or quickly before they grow up. And whoever is rich, then let him abstain (from the wealth), and if he is poor then let him utilise by what is recognised as good/appropriate. So when you paid to them their wealth, so call a witness on them, and be aware God is accounting. [4:6]

*The Arabic word is "nikah" (marriage) and has an implied meaning of sex, hence some translators interpret it as 'reached sexual maturity' in this verse.

**Arabic word is "rushd" and its meanings include: be well guided or directed, true direction, correct rule of action, straight forwardness, maturity of a child/intellect, capacity to manage one's affairs.

Thus, the two conditions for giving the wealth to the orphans are:

1- The reaching of marriageable age / sexual maturity.

2- The proving of sound judgement / capability in managing one's affairs.

Interestingly, this implies that one could reach marriageable age / sexual maturity but still not have sound judgement, which is universally true and gives a possible reason why a specific age for marriage is not stated in The Quran. Based on this and other verses regarding marriage, it can be deduced that these two conditions can also be used as a guideline for when to consider marriage. The reason being, if we suppose after having reached marriageable age / sexual maturity an orphan is allowed to get married but their wealth is not given to them, this means they have been determined not to have sound judgement, yet they are being allowed to get married, which is logically inconsistent with the guidance in The Quran.

Please note, in 4:6 it also warns those entrusted with the wealth not to consume or waste it before they grow up, further reinforcing the idea that the period being referred to is when grown up. To conclusively prove this however, we can also look at other verses which discuss giving orphans the wealth owed to them [6:152, 17:34]. The Arabic word used in these verses is when they are "shudud", which means physical maturity / the period from adolescence to adulthood. Since the orphans can only receive their wealth once "shudud", and from 4:6 we know they become eligible for it after having reached marriageable age, this can only mean marriageable age begins from adolescence onwards. There is no other possibility.

This conclusion can also be verified in the story of Jospeh, who when first found in the well was a boy (Arabic: ghulam, see 12:19), then taken into care, then when he reached "shudud" (i.e. became physically mature) the female of the household tried to seduce him [12:22-23].

In addition, the usage of this word "shudud" in The Quran suggests reasonable physical strength, i.e. at least several years into adolescence [18:82, 28:14] which also agrees with most Classical Arabic dictionaries which average about from the age of 17 for the word "shudud", which also happens to coincide with when a significant number of orphans would meet the two conditions for receiving their wealth. Many countries begin to grant extra rights at the age of 16, and many give full rights at 18, so this seems fairly close to worldwide practice.

To conclude, it is proven beyond doubt by The Quran that one must be physically mature and be of sound judgement in order to get married.


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Satyaki Dasgupta 4 years ago from Kolkata, India

I have now much better understanding of Islam from all these comments. Thanks to all commentators.

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